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Speaker 1: Heyther folks, it is Friday, April third, and a high

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Speaker 1: stakes he said. She said, it's playing out, and of

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Speaker 1: all places, Hawaii, she said her husband tried to kill

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Speaker 1: her by pushing her off a cliff. He says, oh no,

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Speaker 1: it's the other way around. His wife tried to push

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Speaker 1: him off the cliff, and both of them got to

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Speaker 1: tell their stories on a witness stand this week. And

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Speaker 1: with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ.

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Speaker 1: And to be clear that he said, she said, that's

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Speaker 1: playing out, it's him that's on trial for attempted murder.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel like after what we've witnessed in

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Speaker 2: because he has multiple folks who disagree with his version

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Speaker 1: And the wild thing right in these cases, oftentimes you said,

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Speaker 1: there's plenty of time. The last couple of days that

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Speaker 1: he said, she said, oftentimes one person's dead in the

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Speaker 1: scenario and can't tell their story. This is not the case.

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Speaker 1: Have you all been seeing these headlines, this story, this

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Speaker 1: trial has been going on in the past couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: But the doctor in particular took the stand over the

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Speaker 1: past couple of days. In his trial. Yes, out there

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Speaker 1: in Maui. We're talking about a guy by the name

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Speaker 1: of doctor Gerhard Koenig. He is an anesthesiologist in Maui

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Speaker 1: and he is facing a second degree attempted murder charge,

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Speaker 1: accused of trying to push his wife off a steep

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Speaker 1: cliff on a hike in beautiful Maui. The wife survived,

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Speaker 1: took the stand in his trial, and the man's son

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Speaker 1: his wife. As you said, is he said that, they said, Robes,

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Speaker 1: and the doctor took the stand in his own defense.

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Speaker 1: We watched this testimony over the past couple of days.

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Speaker 1: It wrapped with a fascinating and a pretty wild cross

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Speaker 1: examination yesterday, Robes, I want to start with that. I

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Speaker 1: the violence that's described. Is he really belies the appearance

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is not your typical attempted murder suspect. This

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Speaker 2: is a esteemed anesthesiologist who is practicing in Maui. He's measured, obviously,

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Speaker 2: he's intelligent, he's clinical. He doesn't seem like someone who

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Speaker 3: He seems very in control of his thoughts and emotions.

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Speaker 2: So yes, he is not somebody who seems like he

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Speaker 2: would just get some wild hair up his butt and

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Speaker 2: decide to push his wife, and when that didn't work,

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Speaker 2: just to start hitting her as hard as he could

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Speaker 2: But my goodness, some of the visuals were even seeing

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Speaker 2: in court in terms of her injuries. It's hard to

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Speaker 2: what the aftermath was in this incident.

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Speaker 1: And this is no offense to Justin Timberlake, but I

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Speaker 1: he's like a nerdy just Timberlake.

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Speaker 3: That is what he looks like to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was really a good description of the guy.

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Speaker 1: It kind of is. So that's the guy who's been

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Speaker 1: on the stand. This is a guy from South Africa.

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Speaker 1: Originally he moved to the US when he was fourteen.

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Speaker 1: But these two met and ropes. I didn't catch this detail,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure E Harmony doesn't want to advertise this,

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Speaker 1: but these two met in twenty sixteen on that dating

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Speaker 2: It's a dating app that actually really prides itself on

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Speaker 2: resulting in marriages. And these were second marriages, I believe

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Speaker 2: for both of them. They both had children from other marriages.

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Speaker 2: Interestingly enough, you mentioned his son who testified against him.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't even their son.

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Speaker 2: She Ariel was his stepfather, so I thought that maybe

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Speaker 2: perhaps made his testimony even all the more compelling. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: they moved to Maui in twenty twenty three. They're in paradise,

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Speaker 2: so what could possibly go wrong. You've got a second

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Speaker 3: It But what led up to by the way, it

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Speaker 2: It was a birthday, like when this all has a celebration,

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Speaker 1: Just a side personal note, do not plan a hiking

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Speaker 1: fourth of last year, again her birthday. The couple lives

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Speaker 1: which had seen some issues. And those issues, according to prosecutors,

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Speaker 1: are what led to this guy wanting to kill his wife.

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Speaker 2: Yes, she admitted to having an emotional affair with a coworker,

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Speaker 3: And we hear him on the stand describe himself as

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Speaker 2: Some of that stuff was a little ridiculous because obviously

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Speaker 3: Mad, No, I was upset.

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Speaker 2: Don't know what the distinction between those two things were,

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Speaker 1: They were also able toes I guess describe some of

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Speaker 1: that in just a moment as well. I had never

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Speaker 1: heard of this Pailey Lookout, but apparently a very popular

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Speaker 1: what I've seen, at least several hundred feet almost minimum

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Speaker 1: don't hike, but this is something that is talked about.

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Speaker 1: They give you a heads up. You need to be

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Speaker 2: Yes, I obviously loved to hike, and that is something

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Speaker 2: almost everyone does. He even admitted on the stand that

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Speaker 2: I have done plenty of dangerous hikes, but I knew

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Speaker 2: Certainly, because when you're at that height, there aren't guard rails,

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Speaker 3: It's basically hike at your own risk. And that was

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Speaker 1: And so he wanted to do this hike. He put

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Speaker 1: it all together. She had some concerns about it. If

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Speaker 1: we do know is that something happened they went out

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Speaker 1: But something happens on this cliff. They get into a fight.

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Speaker 1: Nobody goes off the side. So that is where we are.

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Speaker 1: So let's take his side of the events.

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Speaker 3: Ropes.

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Speaker 1: He claims she attacked him.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he said that she made this big announcement that

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Speaker 3: His name was Jeff Miller.

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Speaker 2: So he said that she just decided to make this

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Speaker 2: very hard to imagine, but he claims.

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Speaker 3: That she pulls him on top of her.

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Speaker 2: Why any woman would want a man on top of

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, this just doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 1: Let's just give the story without the sarcasm. I will

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Speaker 3: All right, then you take it, because I don't think

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Speaker 3: I can do it without sarka.

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Speaker 1: Well, going straight through. That's how he explained that, yes,

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Speaker 1: she pushed him. Then after she pushed him, he collected

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Speaker 1: and that is his version of events. Her version much different.

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Speaker 3: Yes, she very much says she was uncomfortable with the hike.

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Speaker 2: And look, you can see from those pictures and you

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Speaker 3: But she then said, yes, he tried to push her.

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Speaker 3: She lowered herself to the ground. Smart, right, So someone's trying.

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Speaker 2: She claims he had a syringe in his hand and

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Speaker 2: so he wasn't able to use it. But I told you,

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Speaker 2: and he was beating her.

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Speaker 3: With the rock. Shut the f up.

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Speaker 2: Nobody's going to hear you out here, nobody's coming to

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Speaker 3: That's like the title of a horror movie.

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Speaker 1: And she said she was able to I was amazed,

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Speaker 1: the head with a rock some ten times. She estimates

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Speaker 1: that we did get to see her injuries from the hospital.

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Speaker 1: They are horrific. The blood that was pouring down her

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Speaker 1: all that go back now ropes to his story. You

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Speaker 1: certainly took issue. What in there seems, I mean, just

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Speaker 1: And to that point, Robes, in addition to you said

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Speaker 2: This was you know, a lot of people will kind

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Speaker 2: We heard him talk about not just being obsessed with

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Speaker 3: Yes, and yes, that was so interesting.

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Speaker 2: The prosecution said, you wanted her to confront your wife.

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Speaker 3: You wanted her to curse out your wife, didn't you?

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Speaker 3: And he said no, which also was so unbelievable. Of

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Speaker 2: Why he gave the Jeff Miller's wife his wife's personal

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Speaker 3: So just admit that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so him saying no, that's not why I did that.

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Speaker 1: I just thought that they were trying to make a point.

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Speaker 2: This was a very calm exchange talking about something incredibly

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Speaker 1: Almost eerie to have a man sitting at the defense

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Speaker 1: Tja fascinating trial taking place in roads. We've seen some

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Speaker 3: It's true.

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Speaker 2: I totally agree that if this weren't happening in Hawaii's

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Speaker 3: But in the what do they call continental US continue.

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Speaker 1: To change states, we have forty eight of those outliers.

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Speaker 3: I actually had an errand run, came home.

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Speaker 2: You were making dinner. The trial was on finally, like

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Speaker 1: Well, but his son, it was dad put him in

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Speaker 2: Yes. So, in fact, his exact testimony was that Emil

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Speaker 3: I mean, that is as plain as it is.

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Speaker 1: That is as a juror, that is as convincing of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And the explanation by Koenig was we to say, well,

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Speaker 2: But he said that he must have gotten confused because

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Speaker 1: This was a terrifying incident. And Rob we said, the

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Speaker 1: But this, I think the scene, the setting adds to

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Speaker 3: You said, I use that. I love all trails.

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Speaker 2: That was very interesting to me because, yes, anyone who's

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Speaker 2: And yes, they're all raided and you get to see

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Speaker 1: Well, they did wrap up yesterday with cross examination of Koenik,

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Speaker 1: so he's done. The judge gave this schedule. They're off today, robes,

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Speaker 1: they're off on Monday. He told the jury, when you

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Speaker 1: come back in here on Tuesday, you're going to get

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Speaker 1: this case. So the defense has a few things I

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Speaker 1: think they need to wrap up as far as major witnesses.

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Speaker 1: That's for the most part done. It will rest their

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Speaker 1: case and this jury will figure it out. Always fascinating

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Speaker 1: jury watches. I will never ever be able to guess

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Speaker 1: what a jury's going to do.

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Speaker 2: Every time we try, we've failed miserably. But the interesting

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Speaker 2: thing about this is attempted murder, second degree attempted murder,

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Speaker 2: and yet he is still facing life in prison correct

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Speaker 2: for the rest of his life. So his life is

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Speaker 2: at stake. This jury decides his fate come Tuesday. So

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Speaker 2: we appreciate you listening to us.

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Speaker 3: Everyone.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: As always, I made me roback alongside TJ. Holmes. Morning

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Speaker 3: Run is coming up next