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Speaker 1: So what I think I'm hearing from you, the crystal

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Speaker 2: You do you have to do?

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal.

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Speaker 3: Hell that for me.

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Speaker 2: I'm a man, I'm for it.

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Speaker 4: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 2: Is that woo woo?

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Speaker 1: And Dan and Tye, welcome back to the solid verball

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Speaker 2: My name is ty Hildebrandt.

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Speaker 1: That fine gentleman over there, as always he is the

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Speaker 1: illustrious Dan Rubinstein.

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Speaker 2: Dan Rubinstein.

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Speaker 1: It feels like spring outside. It feels like spring outside.

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Speaker 3: How are you screw you?

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Speaker 2: Tye A rue.

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Speaker 4: I think it's there was a flurry of snow earlier,

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Speaker 4: ty I don't know how to react to any of this.

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Speaker 4: But Tye, I'm good. Yesterday I was not good. I

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Speaker 4: promise Ty, I'm going to be even handed and fair

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Speaker 1: Listen, whether it is winter where you live or spring.

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Speaker 1: the Wide Right Podcast, please to welcome to the show.

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Speaker 4: So is this a situation now that Mario's hired two

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, without question, I think that was his approach.

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Speaker 4: Where is the strength of this roster? You mentioned big

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Speaker 3: Well? I think number one, it's Tyler van Dyke in

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Speaker 4: How beat up was Tyler van Dyke when he was

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Speaker 3: But that's Tyler trying to help his team go to

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Speaker 4: Do you get the sense that he is self aware?

437
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Speaker 4: Do you get the sense that you know he needs

438
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Speaker 4: to lean into his strengths. And while he was the

439
00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,920
Speaker 4: offensive quarternet coordinator at Oregon, you have Justin Herbert, who

440
00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,560
Speaker 4: surprises everybody with how prolific he is in the NFL

441
00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,400
Speaker 4: because he was sort of it seemed constrained at Oregon.

442
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Speaker 4: Do you think there is an evolution of mindset or

443
00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:54,000
Speaker 4: does that storyline? Is that not based in reality?

444
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,040
Speaker 3: It's a great question, I think. I think, Look, the

445
00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,080
Speaker 3: results were so bad in year one. I think he

446
00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,520
Speaker 3: had no choice but to make the changes that he made. Now,

447
00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,439
Speaker 3: the question is will he stick with it? Right, Like,

448
00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,040
Speaker 3: if this team turns things around, they go eight and four,

449
00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,120
Speaker 3: let's say, right, and he gets a really good recruiting class,

450
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Speaker 3: is Mario going to revert to the guy who wants

451
00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,200
Speaker 3: to get into a rock fight every single game? Yes?

452
00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,880
Speaker 3: I think so. I think if this offensive line really

453
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,000
Speaker 3: blossoms and they get some good running backs or a

454
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,800
Speaker 3: kid like Travante Citizen who's super high on gets healthy,

455
00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,639
Speaker 3: I think they're going to be a balanced at best

456
00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,560
Speaker 3: in terms of passing, a balanced offense. He just likes

457
00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,840
Speaker 3: to run the football. That's who he is. He wants

458
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 3: to win rock fights. He wants to win the physical

459
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:41,280
Speaker 3: battle up front. So I think for now these changes,

460
00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,040
Speaker 3: you know, building the offense around his quarterback, making them

461
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,359
Speaker 3: throw the football, that's out of necessity. We will really

462
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,720
Speaker 3: know what Mario Cristobal does long term. I think in

463
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, when we're on the back end of

464
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,040
Speaker 3: Tyler Van Dyke's career and he's gone and he's got

465
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:57,520
Speaker 3: to figure out who the next quarterback is.

466
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Speaker 1: Man, you want to zoom out for a second, because

467
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,160
Speaker 1: as the popular school of thought is that a coach

468
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 1: is only as good as the administration backing him. As

469
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 1: you know, Christo Baal came in under unusual circumstances, right

470
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,879
Speaker 1: with the booster class sort of running the operation is

471
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,960
Speaker 1: kind of like an nil deal. To be honest with you,

472
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Speaker 1: I know there has been a commitment on behalf of

473
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Speaker 1: the university to beef up its commitment, beef up its

474
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 1: investment in the football program. Has there also been a

475
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 1: commitment to just beef up the administration and stabilize that

476
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,879
Speaker 1: side of the equation. What does that look like?

477
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Speaker 3: Well, that's why Dan Radakovich was brought in, right, I mean,

478
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 3: he's been around winners at LSU and Clemson, and you know,

479
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,159
Speaker 3: I think he's just sort of the right guy at

480
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 3: the right time for them. You know, they're they're building

481
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 3: this three hundred million dollars football facility. They're gonna break

482
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 3: round in the fall, and so to me, I think

483
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 3: they're taking all of the steps. Miami's never operated this

484
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 3: way before. And I keep waiting for somebody to pull

485
00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 3: the rug out from underneath my feet and be like, no,

486
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,640
Speaker 3: I know, we're that cheap private school again, right, that's

487
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 3: counting every nickel. But they swear to me that as

488
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 3: long as this thing gets headed in the right direction

489
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 3: and there's some improved attendance, that there's no reason they're

490
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,200
Speaker 3: going to back out. They want football to succeed. They

491
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 3: know that that's their brand name right now, and it's

492
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 3: always been right. When you think of the University of Miami,

493
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 3: besides the beaches, you've always thought about the football team.

494
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 3: It's just the way it is, And as much success

495
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,479
Speaker 3: as Jim Laernega has had, the basketball team is just

496
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 3: not embraced the way the football team is across the country.

497
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 3: So this is their meal ticket. They're invested in it now.

498
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 3: If Mario Cristobau goes five and seven again next year,

499
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Speaker 3: and we're having this conversation again about another sort of

500
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 3: disaster in terms of hires and people being the wrong fit.

501
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,160
Speaker 3: Then I don't know where we'll be, but I tend

502
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 3: to think that things are going to work out. The

503
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 3: ACC is not a monster conference by any stretch. I

504
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,160
Speaker 3: think Mario can win eight games and get another top

505
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:58,119
Speaker 3: ten recruiting class.

506
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Speaker 1: So if the implication is now that the athletic department

507
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 1: is running in a more regimented style, right, what did

508
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: it look like before?

509
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 3: It looked like an athletic director that would go to

510
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 3: the administration and say, can I have some money? I'd

511
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 3: like to help my head coach hire some better assistant coaches.

512
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 3: And the answer was always, well, we'll give you enough

513
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 3: to maybe hire an offensive coordinator and maybe we'll help,

514
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,959
Speaker 3: you know, bring in a new DC this year. But

515
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 3: you guys are basically on your own. And that's the

516
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 3: way it operated. And you know, the thought process was,

517
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 3: we don't need the best facilities because we're in South Florida.

518
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 3: We produce NFL players every day. We just got to

519
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 3: convince them to stay home. And obviously college football has

520
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 3: changed tremendously since Miami last one. And finally what happened

521
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 3: was you had a school president who got under a

522
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 3: little bit of pressure, and you had a guy like

523
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 3: Rudy Fernandez who was right underneath him saying, look, I

524
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 3: was here when the Orange Bowl was full in this

525
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 3: program was winning national championships. You want to invest some

526
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 3: money in football. That's the way you help you your

527
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 3: stuff out here in this presidency and you get some

528
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 3: people to like you. And so I think that's been

529
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 3: the motivator to get things rolling here in terms of

530
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 3: giving money to football and really backing it the way

531
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 3: that it should have been backed.

532
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned the change in college football. What is

533
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 1: the state of Miami nil?

534
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 3: Well, I think John Reees. I spoke to him last night,

535
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 3: and obviously you know he's poured in I think between

536
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 3: twelve to fourteen million dollars within these first year and

537
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 3: a half in terms of NIL deals. Most of the

538
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 3: football team is on the payroll for life wallet good.

539
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 3: You've got four of the starting five on the basketball team. Look,

540
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 3: more and more people are giving money now. They see

541
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 3: that things are improving, They've seen what the basketball team

542
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 3: has done. There's more wealthy people in South Florida who

543
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 3: want to get behind this and see things improve. And

544
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 3: so now it's not just Ruiz's money, it's others that

545
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 3: are sort of pitching in and so I think it's

546
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 3: only going to get stronger. Mario Tho's got to win

547
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 3: some games this year. I think, you know, things can

548
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 3: change quickly in the city.

549
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 4: So you look back the last few Miami coaches and

550
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 4: talent acquisition has never really been the huge issue.

551
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 3: Right.

552
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 4: You mentioned being in South Florida and the huge amount

553
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 4: of talent in that area of the country. What is different?

554
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 4: What is different now? Like, what is signing a top

555
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 4: ten class for Mario Cristoball, How does that look at

556
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 4: all different than Mark Rix signing a top class and

557
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 4: many dias signing a top class, than Randy Shannon signing

558
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 4: a top class. What is the difference here?

559
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 3: Well, I think the difference is Mario's not just relying

560
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 3: on in state talent, you know, And I look, I've

561
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 3: covered high schools in this city, in this area for

562
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 3: twenty five years, and I can tell you that the

563
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 3: players aren't as good as the ones that used to

564
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 3: be around. And yet there's more and more four and

565
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 3: five stars every single year in the ranking, and I'm

566
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 3: kind of scratching my head. I think Mario is going

567
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 3: to recruit more nationally. And if you look at some

568
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 3: of the kids that were part of this class, yes

569
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 3: they came in and were seniors at brandonon Img Academy,

570
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 3: but they were on the other side of the country.

571
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 3: Riley Williams was on the other side of the country

572
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 3: in Oregon. Francis Mauigo was on the other side of

573
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 3: the country. So I think you're going to see Miami

574
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 3: recruit Nashley and they're going to go after big time kids.

575
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 3: And that's what you've got to do if you want

576
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 3: to be Alabama or Georgia or anybody else. You can't

577
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 3: just sort of recruit your own backyard, which is what

578
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 3: I think many Diaz and Mark Rick did. They thought

579
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 3: they kind of bought into what everybody around them was saying, right,

580
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 3: just keep some of the best kids at home and

581
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 3: you'll be fine. And that formula doesn't really work anymore

582
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 3: in the game.

583
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 4: Where is it worse? Where is South Florida talent worse?

584
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 4: Is it you know, at large sized dudes, Is it

585
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 4: at quarterbacks? Where has it changed? Because this is a

586
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 4: conversation that I think also happens at a place like

587
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 4: USC that the talent level in southern California and on

588
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 4: the West Coast is nowhere near where it was when

589
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 4: Pete Carroll was coaching. So what's the difference locally, Well,

590
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 4: I think it's coaching.

591
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 3: You know, when I first started in this business, you

592
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 3: had a lot of really good high school coaches at

593
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 3: Saint Thomas Aquinas in Carroll City and Miami Northwestern, and

594
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 3: you had guys that were teaching fundamentals, and these were

595
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 3: really they knew the game by the time they got

596
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 3: to the University of Miami. A lot of the kids

597
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 3: that I've seen come out of here in the last

598
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 3: five to ten years, they play seven on seven football

599
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 3: and they don't really get taught to play the game.

600
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 3: And that was the number one complaint I heard from

601
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 3: a lot of Manny Diaz's assistance was, Hey, we're getting

602
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 3: these kids in the door, but we've got to teach

603
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 3: them everything. You know, a kid like Mark Pope, who

604
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 3: was a five star wide receiver out of Miami Southridge.

605
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 3: I was on the sideline at that terrible Bowl game

606
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 3: where they lost to Louisiana Tech, and the coaches are

607
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 3: literally screaming at him from the sideline. Mark turn left,

608
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 3: mark turn right. I mean some of these kids just

609
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 3: didn't even know how to run a pattern. And he

610
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 3: was in his third year at that time. So I

611
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 3: just think, you know, the coaching, the way these kids

612
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 3: have been raised here in South Florida the last you know,

613
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 3: fifteen to twenty years, it's just not the same as

614
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 3: it was when Miami was thriving. And I don't know

615
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,719
Speaker 3: if maybe that's the case in California and other places,

616
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 3: but I think you have to take those things into account.

617
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 4: Is that something that you think surprised this staff and

618
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 4: christ Ball You mentioned Manyda as a staff, but I

619
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,719
Speaker 4: assume Mari I mean, Mario had recruited you know, Florida

620
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 4: and South Florida, no matter where he was, because of

621
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 4: his connections. But then taking this job and hiring people

622
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 4: in I assume their assumption was, Oh, we've got it

623
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 4: made in the shade. You know, we're in South Florida,

624
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 4: we're in you know, the Sunshine State. There's so much talent.

625
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 4: Was that like a you know, sit back in your

626
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 4: chair like, Oh, it's not like we expected.

627
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think I think Mario really when he when

628
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 3: he walked in the door and he saw what he

629
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 3: had to work with at Miami, he was sort of floored.

630
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 3: He really didn't know, Okay, I need to go other

631
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 3: places to get off it. There are no offensive linemen

632
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 3: here that I like. There are no playmaking wide receivers

633
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 3: that I really like. I think it was sort of

634
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 3: one of those moments where where he was like, what

635
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 3: have these guys been doing here for the last five

636
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,479
Speaker 3: or six years? Right, and and so he was floored.

637
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 3: He didn't come out and say any of that stuff publicly,

638
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 3: but I think internally that was an issue. And look,

639
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 3: that's why I'm saying he's recruiting nationally. He's not going

640
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 3: to just sort of stick to the to the old formula. Uh.

641
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 3: He's going to Georgia, he's going to other places, Louisiana, Alabama,

642
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 3: and he's just he's getting better football players and it's

643
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 3: going to take time. You know, I mean it. You

644
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 3: this doesn't happen overnight from Miami. I think at a

645
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 3: place like USC obviously you bring in a Heisman winning

646
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 3: quarterback and you have a tremendous offense, maybe it flips

647
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 3: really quickly. But I think down here in the Southeast,

648
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 3: the way Mario wanted to run things with big offensive

649
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 3: linemen and balanced, you know sort of attack. It just

650
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 3: wasn't going to turn around that quickly. He didn't have

651
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 3: the lineman, didn't have the players to play the style

652
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 3: he wanted.

653
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 4: So it'd be easy for a program that has the

654
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 4: lows that it did last season that maybe behind the scenes.

655
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 4: You talked about the locker room already. What is the

656
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,239
Speaker 4: state of where the coaching staff is in terms of

657
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 4: gelling with each other and being on the same page

658
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 4: and you know, not letting egos get in the way

659
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 4: and figuring out recruiting and everybody's role doing you know,

660
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 4: as much as they need to do. Is everybody kumbaya

661
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 4: behind the scenes.

662
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 3: Well, it wasn't that that. That wasn't the case at all

663
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 3: last year. I mean there was a lot of internal strife,

664
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 3: a lot of guys who didn't like each other, a

665
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 3: lot of guys who were used to winning and having

666
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 3: better players to work with. I think this group that

667
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 3: he's brought in now, it's just a hungrier group of coaches.

668
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 3: You know, Lance Gidgrey, how long was he you know,

669
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 3: trying to maybe get back to this sort of power

670
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 3: five level right to be to put himself in position

671
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 3: to become a head coach again after some of the

672
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 3: off the field troubles that he had run in two

673
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 3: years ago. You know, Shannon Dawson had been at Houston,

674
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 3: Dana Holgerson and in West Virginia, But really, when was

675
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 3: he ever really the man? Right? When was he sort

676
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 3: of the guy? This is an opportunity to come in

677
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 3: and run a part. So there's a different mindset I

678
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 3: think among the coaches and the assistance. I mean, look,

679
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 3: he's brought in a lot of different guys. Derek Nicholson

680
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 3: the new linebackers coach, He's a much younger, hungrier coach

681
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 3: than Charlie Strong is, who's at the end of his career.

682
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 3: So I think it's a better fit for the type

683
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 3: of players they have right now. Will will Mario stick

684
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 3: with those kind of coaches, the young, hungry coaches, and

685
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 3: three years when he's got the roster he wants, I

686
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 3: don't know. I think at that point we may see

687
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 3: him go after you know, the older, more veteran coaches

688
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 3: who he probably thinks are better tacticians. But I think

689
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 3: for right now, for what he has. This is the

690
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 3: group that he likes, and I think, you know, for

691
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 3: the most part, these guys are happy. They're They're in

692
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 3: a situation they haven't been in before. They're at Miami.

693
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 3: They feel like they're this is their opportunity to help

694
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 3: their themselves out and their and their career and maybe

695
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 3: taking the next step after this.

696
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 4: How far away is the roster? Obviously it's you can

697
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 4: reconstruct things much quicker with the portal. But if you

698
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 4: were to give Mario Cristobal truth saram, how far away

699
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 4: would he say it is.

700
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 3: I think he probably thinks it's two years away. I

701
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 3: think defensive line and cornerback are two major areas that

702
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 3: you need an influx of talent. I think defensive line

703
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 3: is going to be the main focus of this next

704
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 3: recruiting class. He's got to get some guys that can cover.

705
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 3: I don't know that he has any on this roster

706
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 3: right now. He's got some good safeties, but I would say,

707
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 3: you know, Russian defensive tackles and cornerbacks have still a

708
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 3: ways to go. And receiver, I mean, you know, you

709
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 3: look at what Alabama and Georgia are in Ohio state.

710
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 3: I mean, it's those guys that can take it seventy

711
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 3: eighty yards, right, It's the big play, dudes, and I

712
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 3: don't know that there's enough of those here. So I

713
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 3: would say at least two years away from winning the

714
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 3: ACC and potentially getting into a playoff.

715
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna ask what the viewpoint is internally

716
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 4: of the ACC because you keep mentioning Georgia, Alabama, major

717
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 4: schools in different conferences as the benchmark for where Miami

718
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 4: wants to go. What's the viewpoint on how winnable and

719
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 4: the state of the ACC where it is right now

720
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 4: with I won't say a down Clemson, but I think

721
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 4: a more vulnerable Clemson as we've seen these past couple

722
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 4: of years, with Florida State ascending but not anywhere near

723
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 4: perfect at the moment, and a lot of other decent

724
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 4: but flawed schools. Is this the situation where Miami can

725
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 4: not be where it wants to be and still win

726
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 4: big because of their schedule.

727
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 3: I don't think they're ready to beat Clemson or Florida State,

728
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 3: but I certainly think they could probably win every other

729
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 3: ACC game on their schedule. You know, NC State has

730
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 3: been a pretty decent program here the last few years,

731
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,719
Speaker 3: but is NC State markedly better than Miami. No. Is

732
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 3: North Carolina markedly better than Miami. No, They've just kind

733
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 3: of got a couple of guys that could could beat them.

734
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 3: And but it's one of To me, it's one of

735
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 3: those coin flip games. Again, I think a lot of

736
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 3: it's gonna come down to health. I think Miami is

737
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 3: probably seven deep on the offensive line in terms of

738
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 3: guys that Mario really likes. Can those seven guys get

739
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 3: through the season together, Can they you know, block the

740
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 3: way that Tider van Dyke needs them to block. Can

741
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 3: they find that other receiver to compliment Colby Young? Those

742
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 3: are the kind of things that I think make a

743
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 3: difference between them winning eight games and pushing a Florida

744
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 3: State or a Clemson and being able to beat them.

745
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 3: And those are all the issues, you know, Mainly for me,

746
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 3: it's all on defense. Yeah.

747
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 4: And if you ask any college football fan about any

748
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 4: college football team, before they talk about the presence, a

749
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 4: lot of them might talk about the future.

750
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 3: And so.

751
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 4: Who is Miami's quarterback of the future, right, what is

752
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 4: the quarterback situation? Obviously they get a verbal commitment from

753
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 4: Jayden Rashada, and that whole saga plays out, but it

754
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 4: doesn't look like there is a clear answer moving forward,

755
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 4: and there seems to be for a number of top teams.

756
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 4: What does the future of quarterback look like at Miami?

757
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 3: It's really hard to say right now, because I think

758
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 3: Mario in a perfect world, probably wants a quarterback who

759
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 3: can make plays with his legs and not just sit

760
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 3: in a pocket all day and throw it. I think

761
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 3: in his mind in his offense, a kid like Jakari Brown,

762
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 3: who's the backup right now, takes a step forward and

763
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 3: becomes a Cam Newton type player and really helps Miami

764
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 3: get to the next level. If you were to ask

765
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 3: me who do I think will be the quarterback next

766
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 3: year when Tyler's gone, I would say Emy Williams is

767
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 3: probably a better fit if they're still running the same scheme,

768
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 3: and if Jakari Brown doesn't take the next step, he's

769
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 3: got to improve as a passor. But again, with the

770
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 3: transfer portal and everything else out there, that quarterback may

771
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 3: just not be on the team right now. It may

772
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 3: be somebody who hits the transfer portal and Mario's able

773
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 3: to convince to come down here and run the kind

774
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 3: of offense he wants. But right now, I would say

775
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 3: I think from what I've heard anyway, that Emmy Williams

776
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 3: is probably the better fit long term for what kind

777
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 3: of offense they're going to have for this season. But

778
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 3: Jakari Brown, to me, is the kind of kid who

779
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 3: can become a special talent and take Miami places.

780
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 4: Is there an extra amount of pressure at this point? Obviously,

781
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 4: when you have the type of losing season that Miami does,

782
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 4: you're going to feel an immense amount of pressure if

783
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 4: you're Mario Cristobal. But given his background playing for and

784
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 4: being from the city, where is his headspace in terms of,

785
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 4: you know, he's he's the chosen one at this point?

786
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 4: Right that Manny Diaz is sort of an outsider, even

787
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 4: though he has his connection mark rickt insider, but has

788
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 4: all of his success elsewhere. What is the mindset where?

789
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 4: What does the brain space look like for Mario Cristobal

790
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 4: right now with the added pressure of being like the

791
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 4: hope for greatness essentially?

792
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he really is in my mind sort

793
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 3: of the last hope, right. I Mean, he's the guy

794
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 3: who has had success in other places, He's got the

795
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 3: perfect level of experience, He's the recruiter who was going

796
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 3: to work his butt off to try to bring in

797
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 3: good players. If he doesn't pan out and Miami is

798
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 3: still a mediocre team in three to four years, I

799
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 3: don't know where they turn. There's there are a lot

800
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 3: of people who have been interested in this job in

801
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 3: the past, but once they've come here and interviewed, I've

802
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 3: gotten the sense when they walk away like, yeah, this

803
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 3: is not for.

804
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 4: Me, This is not hasn't the money thing because it's

805
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 4: sea private school in your words.

806
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think in a lot of ways, yes, I

807
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 3: think that was always sort of the turnoff. I'm never

808
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 3: going to have the kind of support system. I don't

809
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 3: have it on campus stadium. I don't have. I have

810
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 3: ridiculous expectations to deal with every year. Everybody thinks that

811
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 3: we are supposed to be that team in the thirty

812
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 3: for thirty, right, Like that's that's sort of what you

813
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 3: have to deal with when you take this Miami job.

814
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 3: And so Mario wanting this to me is it's like, well,

815
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 3: who else would want this job? You know? And I

816
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 3: know Miami's brass will say a lot of people would

817
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 3: want this job, right, I don't necessarily believe that. I

818
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 3: don't I mean, it was basically Mario or another season

819
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 3: of man ideas. And that's because I don't think that

820
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 3: there were any other options that were really out there.

821
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 3: It was many or Mario. And in the end, Mario

822
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 3: wanted to come home. He thought this was you know,

823
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 3: especially with the amount of money he was going to

824
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 3: be given to work with, that this could be something

825
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 3: he could fix. If it doesn't work with Mario, I

826
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,479
Speaker 3: honestly don't know what where they turn to next.

827
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 4: How do you get people to show up? Obviously winning

828
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 4: is the number one thing, but how else? What you know,

829
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 4: I'm sure this keeps you know, marketing people and administrators

830
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,959
Speaker 4: up at night. How do you get people that love

831
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 4: Miami football and are in the greater Miami area to

832
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 4: sit in a stadium and watch a team that they

833
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 4: purportedly love?

834
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: Is this not the swagger question that I'm sure with Manny?

835
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 2: How do you get the swagger back?

836
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 3: The only way you do that is winning big at

837
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 3: Miami and playing a lot of night games. You know,

838
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 3: I know the fans hate going out there and sitting

839
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 3: in the hot sun. I know that they've upgraded the

840
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 3: stadium and they've got the little you know, areas where

841
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 3: You've got some coverage and some shade, But the reality

842
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 3: is Miami fans want to go to night games, they

843
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 3: want to be on prime time, They want to feel

844
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,439
Speaker 3: cool that they're at this football game. And if it's

845
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 3: a three or four lost season, good luck, You're just

846
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 3: not going to draw anybody out there. It has to

847
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 3: be a team that's in the hunt for the ACC

848
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 3: title or playing for a national championship. If they're not

849
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 3: in that role, then good luck.

850
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 4: Is there an active effort to get people more interested

851
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 4: in this program, either with you know, video stuff, social

852
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 4: media stuff. Is there that active efforts like we need

853
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 4: to be on ESPN, we need to market, we need

854
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 4: to give access. Is there is there that push to

855
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 4: sort of reintroduce Miami football locally and nationally.

856
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know in terms of media access. Mario's

857
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 3: not the kind of guy who's open his doors for

858
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 3: any of us to walk in there and help him

859
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 3: in that process. But I think look, certainly they want

860
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 3: to be in big games, right. They want to take

861
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 3: advantage of what the basketball team just did and say, hey,

862
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 3: we're going to do the same thing in football. They're

863
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 3: gonna they're gonna try to sell everything that they can

864
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 3: sell about South Florida, and they have. I mean you

865
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 3: look at their social media accounts, Twitter and Instagram. I

866
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 3: mean there's so many beach photos and you know, just

867
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 3: just sort of this, Hey, look at what we're going

868
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 3: to be great and look how excited the environment is here.

869
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 3: They're trying, but the reality is the only thing that

870
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 3: works in the city is winning. You watch the Miami Heat,

871
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 3: you watch the Miami Dolphins, the Marlins when they're and

872
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 3: they're winning, big Miami fans show up. When they don't,

873
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 3: nobody cares.

874
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: Can Jim Laarra Nega switch over and coach football.

875
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 3: I would love to see Jim dance after a Yeah,

876
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,439
Speaker 3: that would be that would be entertaining for us for sure. Look,

877
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 3: I hope they win this weekend. That would be unbelievable

878
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 3: and unbelievable story that Miami wins a national title in

879
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 3: basketball before the football team does, right, Who would have

880
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 3: ever imagined that? I don't know. I hope maybe I

881
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,720
Speaker 3: should talk to Jim about that and make the suggestion.

882
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 3: I suggested Jimmy Graham years ago that you should play football,

883
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 3: and he listened to me and look so smart. There

884
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 3: you go.

885
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: Whys Manny Navarro of The Athletic of The Wide Write Podcast.

886
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: It's a pleasure to finally get you on the show.

887
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: We've read so much of your work over the years,

888
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: so keep up the go work. We'll have to touch

889
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: base soon here as we get a little bit closer

890
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: to the season.

891
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate it, guys, thanks for having me on,

892
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 3: and whenever you need me, just give me a ring.

893
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: Yes already, Dan, there you go, Manny Navarro.

894
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: Check him out over at The Athletic The Wide Write Podcast.

895
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: There is a sense of confidence that you get when

896
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: you talk to someone of Manny's caliber. Oh yeah, where

897
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: you just you know what they're saying is is the

898
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: authentic truth. And there was not a single question that

899
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: we asked him that I felt like he was spinning

900
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: or making it up on the fly. He knew what

901
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: he was talking about here, Oh yeah, which is why

902
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: we invited him on in the first place. We're so

903
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 1: grateful for his time.

904
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 4: I'm fascinated by the way. The most fascinating part of

905
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 4: that to me was South Florida high school talent.

906
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 2: Yeah.

907
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 4: How about his viewpoint that there are a crazy number

908
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 4: of athletes, but not necessarily athletes with polish and development

909
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 4: coming into the college game, whereas he felt like, you know,

910
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 4: going back a decade, two decades, three decades or whatever,

911
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 4: that it was in a much different place that the

912
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 4: investment in coaches in the time from coaches in high

913
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 4: school given to developing guys, and you know, looking at

914
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 4: you know, it's easy to say, you know, with basketball,

915
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 4: aau has changed things and seven on seven has changed things,

916
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 4: and it most certainly has in both positive and negative ways,

917
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 4: at least in my viewpoint. But it is fascinating to

918
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 4: me that there are a number of guys who are

919
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 4: going to be developed in college where you see the

920
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 4: raw athleticism in high school and you say, I can

921
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 4: mold that Clay. I can look at that guy and say, sure,

922
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 4: he's not a polished route runner, he doesn't have you know,

923
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 4: rip moves as a defensive end or something like that.

924
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 4: But we feel like the raw materials are there to

925
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 4: sort of teach and turn him into something special. But

926
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 4: sometimes if you don't have that by college, it's kind

927
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 4: of too late. It's like, you want to be able

928
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 4: to come into college with a little bit of polish

929
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 4: and a little bit of know how at your given position,

930
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 4: and have a feel, that innate feel for the game

931
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 4: that comes from really good coaching. Whether you're a five star,

932
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 4: whether you are a two star, whatever, and so you

933
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 4: have to be And it's easier than it's ever been

934
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 4: to find guys that have been developed, whether it's because

935
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 4: of you know, you can if you're Mario Chris Ball,

936
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 4: you can watch tape on an offensive tackle from Minnesota,

937
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 4: from Arizona, whatever, and say he has the footwork in

938
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 4: place to succeed at the next level. But at the

939
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 4: same time, you'd like the luxury of being the Miami

940
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 4: coach and just turning to guys in the state and saying,

941
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 4: we have it good here. We have an advantage that

942
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 4: you know, Ohio State doesn't have, or that USC doesn't

943
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 4: have or whatever. And it seems like that advantage has

944
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 4: dissipated a bunch. I thought that was fascinating.

945
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: Well, it adds a little bit of texture to the

946
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: discussion that we've had. Yeah, gosh, I feel like forever,

947
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: especially during this run with Nick Saban, what's the argument

948
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: always been, Well, Saban is poaching all the Florida talent.

949
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: Saban has expanded his recruiting footprint. He has now moved

950
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 1: into South Florida. They've taken all the good guys out.

951
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: They all want to go to Bama. That could still

952
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: well be the case, but it definitely makes it harder

953
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: from Miami if there aren't as many guys to start with.

954
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 4: Right, If the advantage used to be talent and the

955
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 4: disadvantage was facilities and know how from an administration perspective,

956
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 4: and money from an administration perspective, then it's a It's

957
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 4: an even more vertical incline uphill.

958
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: Even just the marginal decline and talent right, yeah, would

959
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: have an outsized effect on a school like Miami.

960
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 2: So look great.

961
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: To get Manny's insight again, we'll say it one more time,

962
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 1: going out to the athletic check out his podcast, Wide

963
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: Write Podcast. He does fabulous work. We certainly consider him

964
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: an authority on Miami football. The one bit of random

965
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: crystal ball stuff. Let me say it again, you know,

966
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: the one random I want to say this. I will

967
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: say this, and I didn't want to bring it up

968
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: during the interview because I'm sure I would have been

969
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: laughed off the stage. But we put these little thumbnails

970
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: together on our website soliverbal dot com. For each episode,

971
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: try to personalize it based on whatever topic is I

972
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: cannot find and a singular published professional photo of Mary

973
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 1: Crystal Ball wearing something other than a green shirt inside

974
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:09,760
Speaker 1: the last six years.

975
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 4: Oh, interesting, other than a suit, other than a suit?

976
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah.

977
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: But as for game day attire, go back to Oregon.

978
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: It's always dark green like green.

979
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 4: I'm googling right now, so I see a black shirt

980
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 4: Miami or maybe is that dark green?

981
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

982
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: I mean I'm bad with colors, so call me out

983
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. But everything I found in our database

984
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 1: that we have access to everything that I.

985
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 4: Look at Google images and there's some white and black hair.

986
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 4: But yeah, all green.

987
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 3: Guy likes green.

988
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: They say geniuses picked green.

989
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: Is that true?

990
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 3: That's what they said.

991
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: To meet the parents, go ducks.

992
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 4: All right, Can I ask you a question?

993
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 3: Please? Please?

994
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 4: What is us many? His grade on last year? And

995
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 4: he said D minus. I don't want to stay hung

996
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 4: up on the old stuff.

997
00:45:58,239 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 3: Tie.

998
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 4: Let's push forward. And maybe it's not a great thing,

999
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 4: maybe it's a percentage thing. If I gave you an

1000
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 4: ACC championships won by the end of the twenty twenty

1001
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 4: five season of zero point five over under taking, the

1002
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 4: over taking, the under.

1003
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 2: Ooh see, I think he'll build them up quickly.

1004
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 4: But that's not what I'm asking.

1005
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 3: No, I get it.

1006
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 1: I understand. I think he will. I would be very surprised.

1007
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: We had this discussion a year from now and we

1008
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: didn't feel like the answer was an obvious over. So

1009
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 1: I'll say over. I'll say I'll give him the benefit

1010
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,919
Speaker 1: of the doubt because he is talented when it comes

1011
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: to assembling talent. That's that's kind of his bread and butter.

1012
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: And I feel like they'll get things going in the

1013
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: right direction this season. I was browsing at the schedule

1014
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: as we were talking with Manny. It's workable. It might

1015
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: be eight and four, sure, but it's workable. It's not

1016
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: like the ACC is just a conference of monsters at

1017
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: this point. There's there's definitely some room to grow for

1018
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: the Miami Hurricanes. I feel pretty confident that he's going

1019
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: to get everyone swimming in the right direction here. And

1020
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: you know, we can start talking about that argument a

1021
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 1: little bit more realistically going into twenty four. It won't

1022
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: happen in twenty three, but twenty four, I think we

1023
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: can start talking about the early trappings of it.

1024
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 4: I liked the man Navarro answer about coaches not being fits,

1025
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 4: and I like that Mario for whatever reason. Obviously, Kevin

1026
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 4: Steele goes back to Bama, Josh Gatis moves on. We'll

1027
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 4: say he and Miami parted ways, that Mario and Miami

1028
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 4: didn't let it linger that if there were any issues

1029
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 4: that they were corrected immediately, and that they'll be healthier

1030
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 4: next year, especially at quarterback, which is extremely important given

1031
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 4: to where Miami struggled last year on offense. And I

1032
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 4: don't think they will win pretty. I really don't. It's

1033
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 4: very hard for me to see them winning pretty with

1034
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 4: Mario Christabal but maybe that's my own Oregon baggage and

1035
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 4: scar tissue. But I think he will just I think

1036
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 4: he's gonna find really good offensive linemen and really good

1037
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 4: defensive players, and so I think that should probably be

1038
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 4: enough in an ACC that has no and Clemson's roster

1039
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 4: is really good, but I think Miami will have the

1040
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,479
Speaker 4: best roster in the ACC probably in twenty twenty four,

1041
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 4: and so I would bank on the over. Yeah, I

1042
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,439
Speaker 4: think they can win. I really do think they can win.

1043
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 4: The problem is they can only win in one way,

1044
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 4: and so they make the change to Shannon Dawson. He's

1045
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 4: more wide open. He's the Holgerson guy. You know, you

1046
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 4: have Tyler van Dyke, but the future at quarterback Mario

1047
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 4: Christabal is passed. I think it's it's a very specific way,

1048
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 4: but I'd say, yeah, I'll take the over. I'd put

1049
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 4: it at about seventy percent chance they win an ACC

1050
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 4: title the next three years.

1051
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 1: So what I think I'm hearing from you the crystal

1052
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: ball coaching style. It's very Cranberry's esque, not letting it lingered.

1053
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 3: You do you have to do you have to.

1054
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 4: But I also think that it could be a situation

1055
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 4: where Miami wins the ACC and then comes back down

1056
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 4: to earth a little bit, like I think it's going

1057
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 4: to be hard to sustain.

1058
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: It's hard. It's hard in this day and age, right, it's.

1059
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 4: I think he's trying to wear out assistance. I think

1060
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 4: he's gonna wear out players. I just I don't see

1061
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 4: it as a long term success story.

1062
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 2: Look, this is fun.

1063
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: These are really really useful for us, to be honest.

1064
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: I mean, we're doing the show, but we're also fans

1065
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: of the sport and it's great to touch base with

1066
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: some of these.

1067
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 2: Subject matter experts.

1068
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: Whatever we want to call guys like Manny just experts.

1069
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 4: How about this thought leaders, thought.

1070
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 2: Leaders, it's very ted x of you.

1071
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 4: I love it, thought Leaders, I love it.

1072
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 2: Let us know.

1073
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: Let us know, seriously, we've gotten a ton of great

1074
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: suggestions from the community. Let us know who we should

1075
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: bring on next.

1076
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 4: Well, name schools, Name schools, Washington, Oklahoma, Oklahoma.

1077
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: We definitely have to do Oklahoma. That's another one that's

1078
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: going to be super interesting.

1079
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 4: If you got an LSU person locked in, that's coming up.

1080
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, LSU's coming up next week. Texas Tech. I want

1081
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: to do Texas Tech because I was all in on

1082
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: Joey Maguire before the season, and I'd be curious to

1083
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: talk to an authority on the matter to see if

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