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Speaker 1: the show in a segment we call feedbag or feedback,
Speaker 1: one of those things I keep going back and forth.
Speaker 1: I should actually call it feedbag, but we'll say that's
Speaker 1: actually my notes inside my notes app.
Speaker 2: Oh, my notes app. What a mess.
Speaker 1: Last week, I told you that I switched to Notion
Speaker 1: this week. Midway through I realized that may have been
Speaker 1: a mistake. So let me bring you up to speed
Speaker 1: on what happened this week. I was an Evernote user
Speaker 1: for many, many years. Evernote sort of closed up shop
Speaker 1: in San Francisco. They laid off a bunch of people.
Speaker 1: They were sold to a company in Italy, a company
Speaker 1: that actually makes one of the apps that I really like,
Speaker 1: called Splice, and a lot of people have kind of
Speaker 1: are worried about the future of ever note. This is
Speaker 1: an app that started I think about nineteen years ago,
Speaker 1: and at the beginning I remember downloading it. At the beginning,
Speaker 1: it was an endless scroll of notes, so it was
Speaker 1: just literally this endless, endless scroll. You can just type,
Speaker 1: you know, anything you wanted in there, and then just
Speaker 1: kind of roll up the scroll and start a new note,
Speaker 1: and it would just be like this ongoing note. And
Speaker 1: then it got more evolved over the years into this
Speaker 1: sort of folders and to do lists and contact cards
Speaker 1: and voice memos. It just became like the Swiss Army
Speaker 1: Knife of note taking apps. Available on all platforms Windows, Mac, iOS, Android,
Speaker 1: and it just became this really robust note taking tool
Speaker 1: until it got kind of slow and just too many
Speaker 1: features that I personally didn't need. I needed the basic features,
Speaker 1: and then they took away features where you can only
Speaker 1: sync it across a certain amount of devices for free,
Speaker 1: and so it pushed you to pay for the you know,
Speaker 1: the plans. And now this thing I was just looking today,
Speaker 1: it's up to one hundred and thirty dollars a year
Speaker 1: who just for taking notes. Now there is a free level,
Speaker 1: and the free level will do pretty much what you need.
Speaker 1: You can take notes, you can sync up to two devices,
Speaker 1: You get a certain amount of monthly uploads, a certain
Speaker 1: amount of maximum note size. You can clip web pages,
Speaker 1: and I think this was my favorite feature, is the
Speaker 1: ability to clip web pages because if you're doing a
Speaker 1: radio show or a TV segment. For me personally, I
Speaker 1: like to keep a lot of things that I sort
Speaker 1: of clip from the Internet to talk about and to
Speaker 1: remember later, and so I love the way that it
Speaker 1: can just distill the best part of a web page
Speaker 1: and clip that. So that is still probably one of
Speaker 1: the best features of ever note anyway.
Speaker 2: So I switched this week.
Speaker 1: I put everything in Notion and I just figured I
Speaker 1: would try a different app, and Notion has been really good.
Speaker 1: But and Notion is like one of these apps that
Speaker 1: a lot of people are using because it's again it's
Speaker 1: like a Swiss army knife, but it's much more high tech.
Speaker 1: So it is available across all the platforms iOS, Android, Windows, Mac,
Speaker 1: and it's just really slick. My biggest problem with Notion
Speaker 1: actually and ever note, are the icons for the apps
Speaker 1: don't match all my other apps, and it just really
Speaker 1: bugs me Notion especially for some reason I don't know,
Speaker 1: so I'm like a perfectionist with my icons, and it
Speaker 1: has kind of this weird three D icon that I
Speaker 1: don't like. So Notion please fix that, make it standardized.
Speaker 1: But Notion's really cool because it is very robust in
Speaker 1: what you can do. You can make different tables and
Speaker 1: blocks and formats, and it just has a million different
Speaker 1: ways of using it. And no two people are going
Speaker 1: to use this app the same way. But at its base,
Speaker 1: you can clip things from the web, you can make folders,
Speaker 1: you can nest things, you can make notes. It all
Speaker 1: works really well. But I ran into a problem this
Speaker 1: week of the formatting. I like my note taking app
Speaker 1: in a certain format, which is basically three columns. The
Speaker 1: left column are the folders, the second column are sort
Speaker 1: of the items in that folder, and then the third
Speaker 1: column is what's inside that note. And Notion gives me
Speaker 1: two of those three things. I can't seem to keep
Speaker 1: the side panel open and just flip through my notes
Speaker 1: so I can easily just see them. You have to
Speaker 1: kind of open each note individually, and so this week
Speaker 1: I was just like, Ah, this is really bugging me.
Speaker 1: Plus making a new note you have to kind of
Speaker 1: have a place for it. So Notion is great, but
Speaker 1: it's I'm finding that it's a little bit more work
Speaker 1: than I need. And the neat thing about Notion again,
Speaker 1: it's free. You can pretty much do everything you need
Speaker 1: for free, but if you want to upgrade, it's eight
Speaker 1: dollars per user per month, build annually.
Speaker 2: If you pay monthly, it's ten dollars.
Speaker 1: And I'm noticing that all these apps are sort of
Speaker 1: free for their basics, but if you want to get
Speaker 1: to the next level, you got to pay. So another
Speaker 1: app that I tried this week is called one Note.
Speaker 1: This is made by Microsoft. Again, it's available across all
Speaker 1: the platforms, and I would say one Note is probably
Speaker 1: the most similar to ever note because it looks like
Speaker 1: Outlook and it does all all the three things I
Speaker 1: mentioned where it has the three columns of data, so
Speaker 1: I can see my notebooks, I can see the notes,
Speaker 1: and then I can see what's in the note. The
Speaker 1: problem with one Note is the way that it takes
Speaker 1: the notes. It's this weird freeform canvas inside your note
Speaker 1: where you can start typing all the way in the
Speaker 1: lower right hand portion of a note and leave your
Speaker 1: text there, or you can type in the upper right
Speaker 1: hand portion or the lower left hand So it's kind
Speaker 1: of like this free form canvas that really throws me
Speaker 1: off because I like to be organized, and having text
Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere I don't like. Now some
Speaker 1: people may like that, I do not. And so one
Speaker 1: Note is really great and it's free and it uses
Speaker 1: your one drive storage or yeah, so it's like really easy,
Speaker 1: but it's just kind of all over the place. And
Speaker 1: so for that reason, and specifically my problem with that
Speaker 1: on mac os is printing is just impossible. You cannot
Speaker 1: print out a note on one piece of paper. It
Speaker 1: does not format the note properly. It's a non ish
Speaker 1: If you look on Reddit, you see people talking about it.
Speaker 1: It's just really odd that they would have that issue.
Speaker 1: Then I tried Google Keep, which is of course cross platform,
Speaker 1: but again it's too simple. It's too too simple, and
Speaker 1: there's no easy print option there. Now I keep going
Speaker 1: back to Apple Notes because it has every single feature
Speaker 1: I need. It's got the organization I like, it's got
Speaker 1: handwritten notes, it's got audio, it's got great folders, it
Speaker 1: is super robust. It does every single thing I want,
Speaker 1: except it is not cross platform. You can't access your
Speaker 1: Apple Notes on an Android phone or a Windows computer easily. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe you could use iCloud to do it, but I'm
Speaker 1: not doing that. I need a native app. And so
Speaker 1: Apple Notes really bugs me because it's like I message,
Speaker 1: it's like, just make it for everyone, and of course
Speaker 1: they don't. Then I tried I'm really digging deep. Now
Speaker 1: I tried this one called Joplin. This is free and
Speaker 1: open source. This is literally made by some person, one
Speaker 1: person who develops this app. It's very similar to Evernoe.
Speaker 1: This does almost everything I want, except I'm a little
Speaker 1: concerned that it's you know, one person developing this app.
Speaker 1: It is free, it's open source, it's got apps for Windows, Mac, Os, Linux,
Speaker 1: even Android. You can attach things. They look great. It's
Speaker 1: just I'm a little concerned moving all of my stuff
Speaker 1: into one app that's just developed by one person. So
Speaker 1: I don't know. I may stick with Joplin. Then I
Speaker 1: tried Obsidian. This is another markdown app, which is really cool,
Speaker 1: but it was a little bit too complicated for me,
Speaker 1: and sinking across platforms was a little bit complicated as well,
Speaker 1: because I just didn't really understand how to sink. So
Speaker 1: Obsidian is cool. It's totally free forever. If you want
Speaker 1: to pay for commercial use, it's fifty bucks a year.
Speaker 1: It does sink. I guess they have an Obsidian sink,
Speaker 1: but you do have to pay eight dollars a month
Speaker 1: for that sink feature. Obsidian was actually pretty good. This
Speaker 1: was probably one of my favorites, except for I found
Speaker 1: some issue with it and I deleted it off my computer.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I might go back to Obsidian see
Speaker 2: what I.
Speaker 1: Deal with all week. Nimbus is also one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: I ended up really liking Nimbus. Note it worked really well.
Speaker 1: It has all the features I want, except it's a
Speaker 1: little bit wonky In the interface, it's like a little
Speaker 1: bit slower than I want it to work. It looks
Speaker 1: like it's pulling everything from the web every time. But
Speaker 1: Nimbus is actually another note taking app that I think
Speaker 1: has a lot of promise, But I don't know how
Speaker 1: many people are using this app, so I'm concerned. And
Speaker 1: then finally I checked out an app called simple Note.
Speaker 1: Now this one if you just want simple notes. It
Speaker 1: is really really good, except for the fact that it's
Speaker 1: not very good for pictures or PDFs. You can't toss
Speaker 1: those into your documents because this is really just text based,
Speaker 1: and so it's great. But it's really really simple, so
Speaker 1: you have to literally you've got to The name says
Speaker 1: it all. This is just for simple notes. It's really
Speaker 1: really simple, really really beautiful. But it is just for
Speaker 1: simple note taking. So I don't know where that leaves
Speaker 1: me today. At this point, I'm using right now on
Speaker 1: my computer screen. I will tell you what's open Notion,
Speaker 1: one Note, Joplin, Ever, note Notes, and Nimbus. So I
Speaker 1: am lost. I am like in a sea of note
Speaker 1: taking apps and I am just using too many of them.
Speaker 1: And now I am back before where I started, and
Speaker 1: I'm at a place where this is just I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not getting to the place where I need to be.
Speaker 1: So if you have a note taking app that you like,
Speaker 1: let me know, because I just can't find it. I
Speaker 1: can't find the one that works for me.
Speaker 2: I hope I've made that nice and confusing for you.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: Coming up, we've got a great show. Oh but a
Speaker 1: producer Bobo is showing me pen and paper. I did
Speaker 1: try that too. You know that's not backed up to
Speaker 1: the cloud though. That's the problem with that. Then I
Speaker 1: got to take pictures of it.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: Coming up on today's show, Gmail is asking users to
Speaker 1: turn on something called insane Enhanced Safe Browsing. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: explain what that means. We've got some good guests. Ben Parr,
Speaker 1: author of the AI Analyst newsletter. He's gonna explain what's
Speaker 1: new in AI, including a new chatbot that I've been
Speaker 1: loving called Claude, why Meta is making their AI tool
Speaker 1: for free, and he's got this AI cheat sheet you
Speaker 1: should definitely download. Kyle Young of Nothing VP of Nothing's
Speaker 1: gonna talk about one of my favorite phones of the year.
Speaker 1: We talked about this a little bit last week the
Speaker 1: Nothing Phone two. He will join us to talk that,
Speaker 1: and then later in the show, travel expert Johnny Jet
Speaker 1: is gonna explain the high tech travel scam you should
Speaker 1: be aware of. But first it's your turn. We're gonna
Speaker 1: have your calls coming up throughout the show at triple
Speaker 1: eight rich one oh one. That's eight eight eight seven
Speaker 1: pour two four.
Speaker 2: To one zero one.
Speaker 1: Give me a call if you have a question about technology.
Speaker 1: My name is rich Demiro and you are listening to
Speaker 1: Rich on Tech. Welcome back to rich on Tech. Rich
Speaker 1: DeMuro here talking technology with you. This week, the tech
Speaker 1: world lost one of their most notable hackers. Kevin Mitnick
Speaker 1: was a famous hacker in the nineteen eighties and nineteen nineties.
Speaker 1: What he was good at hacking into phones and computers
Speaker 1: social engineering. He would trick people who worked at big
Speaker 1: tech companies into giving him passwords and information, something that
Speaker 1: still happens to this day. This allowed him to steal
Speaker 1: software and data. The government said Mitnick caused millions of
Speaker 1: dollars in damages. He went to jail for nearly five years,
Speaker 1: but after he got out, he stopped his illegal hacking
Speaker 1: and became an expert on cybersecurity. In fact, the company
Speaker 1: he worked for, we've had guests on the show here
Speaker 1: to talk about it. They do cybersecurity training for employees
Speaker 1: at companies to help them understand these types of attacks.
Speaker 1: He then helped companies protect their systems from the type
Speaker 1: of hacks that he did. He wrote books, and of
Speaker 1: course was a big speaker. He ended up showing that
Speaker 1: hackers could change from breaking the law to using their
Speaker 1: skills for good.
Speaker 2: His story helped people.
Speaker 1: Understand hacking better when this was still a new thing,
Speaker 1: and he went from fugitive to a respected cybersecurity professional.
Speaker 1: Mittnick died young fifty nine from cancer. He was once
Speaker 1: seen as a threat, but later he taught companies how
Speaker 1: to avoid the same kinds of hacks that he used
Speaker 1: to do. Kevin Mitnick rest in peace. All right, let's
Speaker 1: start off this hour with a phone call.
Speaker 4: Here.
Speaker 2: Let's go to.
Speaker 1: David in Melbourne, Florida. David, you're on with Rich.
Speaker 5: Hey, great, I just have this really weird thing that
Speaker 5: I've never had. When I ran in before, I bought
Speaker 5: a new battery pack for my HP notebook, and it
Speaker 5: came with a little book and I stupidly started reading
Speaker 5: it and then I'm like, what are they talking about? Anyways, Basically,
Speaker 5: there seems to be some They're implying that there's some
Speaker 5: rom in the actual battery pack that needs to interface
Speaker 5: with the software of the computer that's going to which
Speaker 5: this case is Windows eleven, and they give you some
Speaker 5: instructions about how to completely drain the battery so it's
Speaker 5: set to zero, and the whole part the point of
Speaker 5: all of this is apparently so that the battery indicator
Speaker 5: from high to low is always consistent with what the
Speaker 5: battery really performs. Have you ever run into that, I
Speaker 5: heard of it, or this is like new.
Speaker 6: News to me. I've never done that to any batteries.
Speaker 6: That also recommends that you just tried your battery completely
Speaker 6: with that same feature about every three to six months
Speaker 6: or something.
Speaker 1: So I think what's happening here is that as batteries
Speaker 1: have gotten a little bit more high tech, the computer
Speaker 1: needs to know, since this is a new battery pack, hey,
Speaker 1: what's full on this battery, what's empty on this battery?
Speaker 1: And so by charging it full and then letting it
Speaker 1: run down completely and maybe doing that once or twice,
Speaker 1: the computer is going to get an understanding of how
Speaker 1: this battery works when it's full when it's empty, and
Speaker 1: the software I think will do that. On smartphones, this
Speaker 1: is usually called adaptive battery or battery optimization, and it
Speaker 1: typically happens even on the iPhone. When you do a
Speaker 1: major software update, people notice that their battery is kind
Speaker 1: of wonky, like the percentage. It might go up or
Speaker 1: down really quickly because the phone is trying to learn
Speaker 1: how you use this. So I would think that's the
Speaker 1: same for this. So once you replace the battery in
Speaker 1: this laptop, I would go ahead and then charge it fully,
Speaker 1: let it run down fully, charge it again fully, let
Speaker 1: it run down fully, and that should give the operating
Speaker 1: system the full understanding of the capabilities of this battery.
Speaker 1: So I think it's one of those things that you know,
Speaker 1: the battery is probably telling you you have to do this.
Speaker 1: Do you have to do you know, a concerted effort
Speaker 1: to make this happen.
Speaker 7: Not.
Speaker 2: I think your computer is gonna be just fine.
Speaker 1: It's a fresh battery to begin with, and the fact
Speaker 1: that you can replace that battery is a good thing.
Speaker 1: So David, thanks for the call, appreciate that and get
Speaker 1: it set up, put it in and uh, I think
Speaker 1: after a couple of weeks, you'll notice that the computer
Speaker 1: will let you know when the battery is good, when
Speaker 1: the battery needs to be charged. But if it's like me,
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of charging my laptop almost all the time,
Speaker 1: which I know definitely drains the battery more than you
Speaker 1: know understanding it. But these these this software has so
Speaker 1: much software these days, has so much smarts built in
Speaker 1: that kind of optimizes the battery to begin with.
Speaker 2: So good question, thanks for calling today. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Triple eight rich one one eight eight eight seven four
Speaker 1: to two four to one zero one. If you use Google,
Speaker 1: especially Gmail, you might have noticed a little banner at
Speaker 1: the top of your Gmail saying enable Enhanced Safe Browsing.
Speaker 2: What does that mean?
Speaker 1: Basically, if you turn this on, it's gonna better protect
Speaker 1: you against phishing emails, malware, dangerous websites. So the difference
Speaker 1: between turning this on and leaving it.
Speaker 2: Off is this.
Speaker 1: If you leave it off, Google checks the links and
Speaker 1: your emails against a database that's about thirty minutes old.
Speaker 1: If you turn it on, Google's going to check against
Speaker 1: a real time database. It does share a little bit
Speaker 1: more data with Google, but I do think that you
Speaker 1: probably should turn it on to help protect yourself just
Speaker 1: a little bit more. All right, Coming up next, Ben
Speaker 1: par AI Expert's going to give us a primer in
Speaker 1: all things AI.
Speaker 2: What do you need to know? What's the newest?
Speaker 1: What are these keywords out there so you can sound
Speaker 1: smart when you talk to your friends about AI? Ben
Speaker 1: par coming up next right here on rich on Tech.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to rich on Tech. Rich Demiro here hanging
Speaker 1: out with you talking technology and AI is one of
Speaker 1: the buzzwords of the tech world right now.
Speaker 2: I mean it's more than a buzzword. It is everything.
Speaker 1: And the guy who's following all of the announcements is
Speaker 1: Ben Parr, author of the AI Analyst newsletter. He posted
Speaker 1: this great cheat sheet for generative AI. I highly recommend
Speaker 1: you download it from his website. Ben, thanks so much
Speaker 1: for joining me today. And Ben's This is actually Ben's
Speaker 1: second time on the show, so it's he's no stranger
Speaker 1: to the show. Do we have Ben Ben Kell? Hello,
Speaker 1: here you go, Hello, what's up? Welcome to the show.
Speaker 8: Like I said, I thank you for having me on again.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is actually your second time, and I've got
Speaker 1: a new feature on the website. By the way, rich
Speaker 1: on tech dot tv slash guests. If you hear a
Speaker 1: guest on the show, you can go there and see
Speaker 1: them and at the not only see all about them
Speaker 1: and all their links and Twitter and Instagram and Facebook
Speaker 1: and their website, but you can scroll down below their
Speaker 1: bio and you can see which episodes they've appeared on. So, Ben,
Speaker 1: the last time you were on the show was March eighteenth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, and there's been a lot of changes.
Speaker 1: Let's first start with let let's start with Facebook. So
Speaker 1: Meta basically came out with their second version of their
Speaker 1: AI called Lama two. Can you talk about they're giving
Speaker 1: this away for free? What does that mean exactly?
Speaker 9: So the incentives that Meta has for AI are different
Speaker 9: than the other big tech players. So what Metta is
Speaker 9: doing is they're offering their AI open source to developers
Speaker 9: to use, you know, commercially as they wish.
Speaker 8: And it's a really good system.
Speaker 9: I haven't dug into every piece of it I've started,
Speaker 9: but you know it gets close to GPT four, which
Speaker 9: is the technology of the powers chat GPT.
Speaker 8: So why does Meta give this away for free?
Speaker 2: For them?
Speaker 9: It improves their AI for because they're not their business
Speaker 9: models not selling this AI to other businesses. Their business
Speaker 9: model is making it so that whenever you're using Facebook, Messenger,
Speaker 9: or you're using Thread, or you're using any of the
Speaker 9: other things that they work better, that more content is made,
Speaker 9: and so more people using Lama means more people more
Speaker 9: training for their model, which means when they add more
Speaker 9: AI to WhatsApp, for example, which they own, it's going
Speaker 9: to be a lot better. And their plan is just
Speaker 9: to put AI into everything that they do, and this
Speaker 9: way for them to improve it is to give it
Speaker 9: away for free.
Speaker 1: Now, unlike some of these other ais, this is not
Speaker 1: something that you can easily just go to, like you know,
Speaker 1: Lama dot com and try, right, like all the other
Speaker 1: ones we're hearing about, you can just like go to
Speaker 1: the website and try. Like a consumer version, this is
Speaker 1: more on the B to B side, right, I mean
Speaker 1: anyone can download the I guess the open source of it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's just basically a big code base.
Speaker 9: You download it if you're a developer, and then you
Speaker 9: can build something on top of it. So the way
Speaker 9: you would interact with it as a general consumer will
Speaker 9: be probably a bunch of applications that you're using or
Speaker 9: will use will use that technology under it. They might
Speaker 9: use that plus open AI's GPT four again the same
Speaker 9: called the owned chat gyptuh.
Speaker 8: But I expect in the next couple of weeks you're
Speaker 8: going to.
Speaker 9: Start to see some interesting use cases for it and
Speaker 9: some chat applications and others.
Speaker 1: Now, let's talk about the my favorite chat app right now,
Speaker 1: my favorite AI assistant. It's called Claude, And this is
Speaker 1: from a startup name Anthropic, which is actually started by
Speaker 1: some folks who used to work at open Ai, makers
Speaker 1: of chat GBT. And I almost don't want to talk
Speaker 1: about Claude because I actually I'm it's like my best
Speaker 1: kept secret.
Speaker 2: I love this AI. Have you played with this? I'm
Speaker 2: assuming you have.
Speaker 7: I have.
Speaker 9: And so for everyone out there, there's you know, chat
Speaker 9: GIPT is the best known like a what's called an
Speaker 9: AI assistant at the best way to describe.
Speaker 8: But they're not the only one.
Speaker 9: Claude is a new one, and Google has one called
Speaker 9: Bart and those two have made big strides and improvements
Speaker 9: in the last couple of months. Claude has won a
Speaker 9: couple big advantages. One of its biggest is that it
Speaker 9: has a bigger context window. What that means is that
Speaker 9: you could post in like half of a novel in
Speaker 9: there and ask it questions and it would give you answers.
Speaker 9: It has a much shorter window for chat gpt. Chatchpt
Speaker 9: actually doubled the window this week so you could put
Speaker 9: in more content, Like you know, people are wanting to
Speaker 9: put an entire blog posts, entire email sequences, entire books
Speaker 9: and ask questions.
Speaker 8: That's what area where claud is really good.
Speaker 9: And bard Google's one has the all of the ability
Speaker 9: to look at images. You could upload an image and
Speaker 9: it'll give you information on that. This is a feature
Speaker 9: that chat gpt actually should have, but they haven't released
Speaker 9: it publicly yet because of the legal issues around it.
Speaker 9: But what you're seeing now is that everyone is starting
Speaker 9: to catch up because now there's been more time to analyze.
Speaker 9: People have been building on the technology. Anthropics raised billions
Speaker 9: of dollars to do it.
Speaker 2: What are you using the most or are you just
Speaker 2: using all of these?
Speaker 9: I have actually a recommended list that's on my website
Speaker 9: vnpart dot com of about twenty different apps that recommend
Speaker 9: for different things. Cat GPT and mid journey are so
Speaker 9: for sure my top two, but I am definitely trying
Speaker 9: out claud More, Barred More, and then it just sort
Speaker 9: of depends. So like advice for everyone out there, you know,
Speaker 9: you want to have an AI tool specifically suited to
Speaker 9: you know your needs. I kind of think of it
Speaker 9: as like hiring an AI co worker, like do I
Speaker 9: need a videographer? Do I need a transcriber? Do I
Speaker 9: need a language assistant? When you have that, it gets
Speaker 9: much easier to pick out an AI tool that can
Speaker 9: help you that's specialized in that area.
Speaker 1: Okay, So let's talk about this cheat sheet for generative
Speaker 1: AI that you put out, which I just love some
Speaker 1: of these terms. So you've got the terms that you
Speaker 1: need to know, key terms, key technologies, key companies, the
Speaker 1: people to know, the key resources, recommended tools and I'm
Speaker 1: guessing some of those are on your website as well.
Speaker 1: And then recommended content so people to follow, people to
Speaker 1: follow on TikTok, YouTube, Twitter, the newsletters you should get,
Speaker 1: the podcast to listen to. I mean, AI has really
Speaker 1: come up fast, And do we know anything about the future,
Speaker 1: like what this is going to do to everything? Or
Speaker 1: are we still kind of figuring that out?
Speaker 9: We are still in the really early innings of this
Speaker 9: AI revolution. I always want to I always tell people
Speaker 9: this technology today is the worst it will ever be
Speaker 9: in human history. And think about six months ago, you
Speaker 9: could not just have a blog post suddenly written up.
Speaker 9: You didn't have the capability to create hundreds of images
Speaker 9: in the matter of minutes.
Speaker 8: Now you have those things. Are they perfect?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 8: Are they really good at what they do? Shockingly yes?
Speaker 9: But the next couple of years, there's thousands of millions
Speaker 9: of developers working on amazing tools. These models are getting better.
Speaker 9: But more importantly than that, there are researchers and scientists
Speaker 9: working on new versions of AI. The AI that's hot
Speaker 9: this year is called generative AI. But I've been hearing
Speaker 9: about other forms of AI that other researchers are diving into,
Speaker 9: and there's gonna be some super cool things that will
Speaker 9: come out over the next couple of years.
Speaker 8: Now that AI has gone deep into the public consciousness.
Speaker 1: So I always ask people when I talk about AI,
Speaker 1: like how much should we be using these like and
Speaker 1: should we feel guilty for Like I'm using them in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, like summarize things and to kind
Speaker 1: of like research and look things up and kind of
Speaker 1: come up with answers. I mean, should we feel guilty
Speaker 1: about all of this? I mean it feels like I
Speaker 1: have an assistant.
Speaker 9: One should I like to think of it as like
Speaker 9: you shouldn't feel guilty if you feel guilt ay using
Speaker 9: a calculator, that's like a whole like different can of worms,
Speaker 9: Like you should not feel guilty.
Speaker 2: It is like that.
Speaker 9: It is a It's not some sentient being, to be
Speaker 9: very clear, that's years and years away.
Speaker 8: Despite all the hype, this is.
Speaker 9: A really really useful tool that the new generation is
Speaker 9: especially Gen Z and like the upcoming generation, are using
Speaker 9: in everyday life. And if you're not embracing and like
Speaker 9: learning how to use this in daily then long term
Speaker 9: you're gonna be left behind. And that's just it's just
Speaker 9: a core set of tools that everyone will be using.
Speaker 9: People are using this to help them write emails, to
Speaker 9: do summaries. I use it to brainstorm. I use it
Speaker 9: to come up with answers to lots of questions. I
Speaker 9: use it to rapidly speed up the first version of
Speaker 9: my presentations. And if you're not doing those things, you're
Speaker 9: gonna not you're gonna be left behind. And so it's
Speaker 9: not a matter like guilty or not guilty. It's just
Speaker 9: this is where things are going. This technology is already
Speaker 9: becoming mainstream, you know, for your career and your future.
Speaker 9: I would learn these tools, and I would at the
Speaker 9: minimum just get into the habit of talking to something
Speaker 9: like chatchipt every day, even if it's just a brainstorm,
Speaker 9: just to build the habit.
Speaker 1: And explain this idea of hallucination because we hear this,
Speaker 1: these things are not perfect. So good example, my dad
Speaker 1: was planning a road trip and he asks chatchybt for
Speaker 1: you know, I want to drive this many hours a day,
Speaker 1: this many miles, not more than this many miles, and
Speaker 1: it wrote out in itinerary. But it was wrong. I
Speaker 1: mean it got the first leg wrong. It was like
Speaker 1: the it said it was two hundred and fifty miles,
Speaker 1: but it was really like four hundred miles he was driving.
Speaker 1: So explain the idea that these things are not perfect.
Speaker 1: And the what a hallucination is.
Speaker 9: So a hallucination is, you know, very simply when an
Speaker 9: AI confidently says something that is wrong. And so the
Speaker 9: AI is not like reasoning like oh I'm going to
Speaker 9: go and measure the distance between Albuquerque and San Francisco.
Speaker 9: It's just using its database to predict what numbers and
Speaker 9: words most likely should appear in a sequence. It's a
Speaker 9: predictive algorithm. Therefore, it doesn't actually know the distance to anything.
Speaker 9: It's just predicting what most people would say, and if
Speaker 9: it hasn't seen it before, it's going to predict new
Speaker 9: numbers and often sometimes they can be wrong. Now, hallucinations
Speaker 9: happen a lot less often, and for your most common questions,
Speaker 9: it's going to generally be right, like most of the time,
Speaker 9: nine out of ten, it's going to be right. But
Speaker 9: always double check the work you know, or especially if
Speaker 9: it's a really important thing.
Speaker 8: That hallucinations are just a part of AI.
Speaker 9: It's also honestly like a fascinating phrase that we use
Speaker 9: to describe when an AI. It's just straight up when
Speaker 9: an AI tell you incorrect information. So just always double
Speaker 9: check and AI's work when you ask you a question.
Speaker 1: All right, Ben Parr AI Analyst Newsletter. Definitely sign up
Speaker 1: if you're interested in this and download his cheat sheet
Speaker 1: for generative AI. The website benpar P a r r
Speaker 1: dot com also linked up online rich on tech dot
Speaker 1: tv slash guests. Ben, thanks so much for joining me today,
Speaker 1: Wild World of AI.
Speaker 9: It was thank you for having me. Hopefully next I
Speaker 9: will be me next time and not an AI talking.
Speaker 1: Let's hope that it doesn't get that far, all right?
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Speaker 1: That's what Jeff and Diamondbar did. Jeff, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 10: Yes, thanks so much for taking my call. Reason I'm
Speaker 10: calling is I had an iPhone eleven, just upgraded it
Speaker 10: to a fourteen, but had problems with the iPhone eleven,
Speaker 10: which I thought would be ultimately solved by upgrading to
Speaker 10: the iPhone fourteen, and this one intermittent problem is reappearing
Speaker 10: on the fourteen. So what it is is I go
Speaker 10: into my email app, the iOS email app, and it
Speaker 10: seems to probably be Yahoo only, but I'm not sure.
Speaker 10: When I look at the inbox, I'll see messages there,
Speaker 10: press on a message and it will be absolutely blank
Speaker 10: and it's not just loading. Many times I go into
Speaker 10: the inbox and maybe all messages or blanket, can't even
Speaker 10: see anything. So the simple solution, part of the time
Speaker 10: is to kill the app, restarted, go back in. But
Speaker 10: the things I tried on the iPhone eleven were took
Speaker 10: it down the Apple Store and with their guidance, you know,
Speaker 10: reset the network settings, uninstalled the email account, you know,
Speaker 10: user name and password and all that, reset it up,
Speaker 10: did a variety of I think, make sure there no
Speaker 10: VPN on and it's intermittent, so you know, when it
Speaker 10: got through the iPhone eleven, graded it to the iPhone fourteen,
Speaker 10: lo and behold that same same thing. Mystery things coming back.
Speaker 1: So here's the deal, Jeff, I am getting so many
Speaker 1: questions about Yahoo email problems. I'm ready to tell people
Speaker 1: to scrap Yahoo email. And I've got an email into
Speaker 1: Yahoo to get someone on the show to talk about
Speaker 1: what the changes have been behind the scenes, what's going on.
Speaker 1: It just seems like there are so many issues with
Speaker 1: accessing email through this service, and I don't understand why.
Speaker 1: So here's my recommendation to you. Number one, go ahead
Speaker 1: and delete the Yahoo email off of your phone and
Speaker 1: set it up again. Maybe when you brought the settings
Speaker 1: over from your old phone, it just didn't like whatever
Speaker 1: the old settings were, and that's what's causing the problems
Speaker 1: on the news setting. So that's the number one thing
Speaker 1: I would do now, I personally would not use If
Speaker 1: you're getting still getting issues, I would delete again and
Speaker 1: I would just download the Yahoo app, the Yahoo Email
Speaker 1: app for iOS, and then I would use that to
Speaker 1: access my email. That's going to give you the best
Speaker 1: case scenario because you're going to get all the features
Speaker 1: that Yahoo builds into their email system. You're going to
Speaker 1: get those available to you. So that means you can
Speaker 1: manage your folders, you can see your account info, you
Speaker 1: can add you know, different accounts to send them receive emails.
Speaker 1: But it's just going to make life a whole lot
Speaker 1: easier because you're using their dedicated app. I use Gmail,
Speaker 1: and I use the dedicated app. It's not, as you know,
Speaker 1: it's not as pretty as the app that comes with
Speaker 1: the iPhone, the Mail app, but it just it just
Speaker 1: works better because I get all the features and functionality
Speaker 1: built into Gmail. So that's what I would recommend doing.
Speaker 1: If you don't want to use Yahoo's own app, then
Speaker 1: I would use a third party app, maybe check out
Speaker 1: something like Outlook. A lot of people like an app
Speaker 1: called spark Mail. You can check out that. But I
Speaker 1: would just ditch the Yahoo on the mail app if
Speaker 1: it continues to give you problems. I know that there's
Speaker 1: a paid portion of the Yahoo email some people have that.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it seems like there's a lot
Speaker 1: of issues with this. I'm getting a ton of emails
Speaker 1: about it, and so it just seems like it's just
Speaker 1: not playing very nice for some reason. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: If you go in, I'm gonna check real quick if
Speaker 1: you go into your settings on the iPhone, I'm curious
Speaker 1: when you go to set up a mail, is Yahoo
Speaker 1: one of the automatic accounts? So if I do add account, yeah,
Speaker 1: Yahoo's right there. They do support an automatic login. So
Speaker 1: I would just delete it, sign in and see if
Speaker 1: that brings back the uh, the better functionality, Jeff, because
Speaker 1: I'm just hearing too much about this, and as an
Speaker 1: iPhone fourteen, you're living in the modern world. Your email
Speaker 1: should be working just fine. Thanks for the call today.
Speaker 1: Appreciate it. If you want to call in, it's triple
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Speaker 1: Premium plan going up from five bucks a month to
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Speaker 1: The annual price is also going up from fifty to
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Speaker 1: to one hundred and twenty. So basically Peacock's going up.
Speaker 1: A lot of people are on a very inexpensive Peacock
Speaker 1: plan for the year. They're gonna have to figure out
Speaker 1: if they want to continue. Then Google raising the price
Speaker 1: of YouTube Premium. Yes, some people, including myself, do pay
Speaker 1: for YouTube premium to get rid of the ads. That's
Speaker 1: increasing by two dollars a month, so used to be twelve.
Speaker 1: Now it's fourteen. If you are subscribing from the iOS app,
Speaker 1: which I highly recommend you do not do, you're gonna
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Speaker 2: My name is rich Dumiro.
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Speaker 1: travel expert Johnny Jet He's gonna explain the high tech
Speaker 1: travel scam you need to be aware of. Plus I've
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Speaker 1: a software fixed. I'll tell you about that. But let's
Speaker 1: head to the phones. Let's go to Aaron in Texas. Aaron,
Speaker 1: you're on with Rich?
Speaker 4: I yes, recently, I'll pop up him on my computer
Speaker 4: with you know, a virus took over the computer and
Speaker 4: I said, call this number, which was a Microsoft number.
Speaker 4: So I called him and I gave them access to
Speaker 4: my computer. Oh no, yeah, it was a scam.
Speaker 2: You didn't pay him anything, did you?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's good.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I turned it off and I contact my bank
Speaker 4: and I changed all my accounts.
Speaker 3: And stuff like that.
Speaker 4: Uh, pose all my credit clause and I turned back
Speaker 4: on my computer. It's been awful about two weeks.
Speaker 2: Can you turn your computer back on? Is that what
Speaker 2: you're asking?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well okay, so what tell me?
Speaker 1: Explain to me how this happened. You called, so you
Speaker 1: got to pop up. You called the phone number. This
Speaker 1: is very common, by the way, So don't you know
Speaker 1: and believe me. I know, I know you're probably feeling
Speaker 1: like you really got taken here, and I get it,
Speaker 1: and I totally understand. But these scam artists really, really
Speaker 1: they prey upon people's good nature, which is oh, there's
Speaker 1: a problem. Call this number here, We're here to help.
Speaker 1: So when did you realize that this was a scam?
Speaker 4: After I contacted my bank and the person that came on,
Speaker 4: he didn't He sounded like a male imitating a female.
Speaker 4: And I asked to talk to a supervisor and he
Speaker 4: would not. I sent me over. You know, he's saying
Speaker 4: that he was a supervisor and this is legit. And
Speaker 4: I'm looking at my computer screen and it did bring
Speaker 4: up the information on my account.
Speaker 2: So they actually logged into your account.
Speaker 4: They actually logged into my account.
Speaker 2: Oh wow?
Speaker 1: And so okay, So what were they trying to do
Speaker 1: trying to transfer money from your account to their account?
Speaker 2: I'm guessing.
Speaker 4: Well, I was going to order a software and they
Speaker 4: they said they put six thousand dollars more into my account.
Speaker 4: I had an extras zero and so they wanted me to,
Speaker 4: you know, the reverse the fund back to them.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, oh man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know. So, and what they did was
Speaker 4: they called my bank. I didn't since they called them.
Speaker 4: They called them over over their phone, and so I'm
Speaker 4: thinking of talking to my.
Speaker 3: Bank, but I wasn't, oh man.
Speaker 4: But but I got and I was on the line
Speaker 4: for about an hour but you know, and they kept
Speaker 4: trying to get me to you know, transfer the front
Speaker 4: and I said, no, I'm not going to transfer the
Speaker 4: fund because they did it twice, you know, you know,
Speaker 4: the second time I got the same person, and I
Speaker 4: really got suspister because I knew it was a male
Speaker 4: imitating a seine though a high pid void, and so
Speaker 4: he wouldn't, you know, answer me over to the supervisor.
Speaker 4: So I just hung up, and then I physically called
Speaker 4: my bank on my phone and they told me it
Speaker 4: was a scam.
Speaker 1: Because they were like, because you were explaining the situation,
Speaker 1: and they were then they their red flags went up, saying, well,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, this is we hear this all
Speaker 1: the time, yep. And so where did you leave it?
Speaker 1: You had this, They installed this software on your computer.
Speaker 1: They made you go to a website, download software, then
Speaker 1: connect to some sort of IP address. I'm guessing right,
Speaker 1: that's correct, okay, And then you did all that stuff.
Speaker 1: You got connected with the bank. They said they were
Speaker 1: gonna you know, they put in extra money by accident.
Speaker 1: They wanted you to refund it. That's where the scam
Speaker 1: comes in, where they you know, they say they put
Speaker 1: in they were supposed to take out this, they put
Speaker 1: in more or whatever. When you turned off your computer,
Speaker 1: how did you how was the software or was the
Speaker 1: software disconnected at that point?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yes, it was okay because they want to. It was
Speaker 4: like a link, you know, take over mycomputer dot com.
Speaker 4: And the person who I was talking to he sounded foreign.
Speaker 4: He sounded on a you know, you know, like you
Speaker 4: put Pakistan or Angia, which is okay because that people
Speaker 4: have taken on my computer.
Speaker 1: Well right, and then and this is where this is
Speaker 1: where the good nature comes in, where they pray.
Speaker 2: It's social engineering.
Speaker 1: So if you if you work at at a company,
Speaker 1: you may call your IT T support and they and
Speaker 1: you may have a problem. You know, I need to
Speaker 1: set up the printer, I need to do whatever, and
Speaker 1: they go, oh, can we take over your computer. We're
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna take over your computer and help you out.
Speaker 1: And you say okay. And so it doesn't seem out
Speaker 1: of sorts for someone to say, okay, let me help you,
Speaker 1: let me take over your computer. You know, this is
Speaker 1: customer support that you called. I mean, major companies do
Speaker 1: this even as far as a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: I remember the pixel phone had a feature where they
Speaker 1: could take over your phone screen and they may still
Speaker 1: be able to do that. I'm not sure, but you
Speaker 1: know it was. It's a feature that's built in that
Speaker 1: that allows tech support people to help you out. And
Speaker 1: so Aaron, I get it. I get why this happened.
Speaker 1: But now you're in this place. Did you did you
Speaker 1: suffer any losses with the financials?
Speaker 2: Did it? Did they end up taking any money or no?
Speaker 4: No, they did.
Speaker 2: And have they gotten a hold of you in any
Speaker 2: other way since then?
Speaker 11: No?
Speaker 4: They called me on my personal phone, but I blocked
Speaker 4: that number.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So and how much personal information did you give? Did
Speaker 1: you give them any account numbers or anything like that?
Speaker 4: I gave my account number to my bank and account okay,
Speaker 4: so hit my social security number?
Speaker 2: And did you did you freeze your credit and all that?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 4: I did?
Speaker 2: Okay, good?
Speaker 1: And then you also, did you you changed your bank
Speaker 1: account number? I'm guessing yes. Okay, good, So you've got
Speaker 1: everything kind of cleaned up.
Speaker 2: The numbers.
Speaker 1: The soci security number, of course, is always concerning because
Speaker 1: it's it's once, it's out there, it's out there. So
Speaker 1: with respect to your computer, so what you need to
Speaker 1: do is uninstall this program.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think if you turn on your computer it
Speaker 1: would automatically connect to this remote desktop application. Like I
Speaker 1: think that you would have to initiate that connection. But
Speaker 1: I'm also not sure how they left it. So what
Speaker 1: I would do is unplug your computer from the Internet.
Speaker 1: Do you have a physical plug or is.
Speaker 2: It Wi Fi?
Speaker 4: Your Wi Fi?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: So if it's Wi Fi, I would turn on your computer.
Speaker 1: As soon as you turn it on, turn off the
Speaker 1: Wi Fi. And do you know how to do that
Speaker 1: as a Windows or Mac Yes, I don't, okay, So
Speaker 1: you turn off your Wi Fi and then once you
Speaker 1: turn off your WiFi, obviously they can't be connected that way.
Speaker 1: I would go into your your application list and uninstall
Speaker 1: this remote application. So if you're on Windows, you can
Speaker 1: search on the bar, you know, ad or remove programs.
Speaker 1: It should bring you into the settings and then the apps,
Speaker 1: and there should be apps. You'll see installed apps and
Speaker 1: go through the list and type in the name of
Speaker 1: the app if you can remember it. If you can't,
Speaker 1: just kind of search through all the apps and see
Speaker 1: the ones that you don't recognize and just write click
Speaker 1: to uninstall that app and get rid of it and
Speaker 1: then I would restart your computer, make sure it's not there,
Speaker 1: and then you should be able to go now. Also,
Speaker 1: I would check in your task bar in the lower
Speaker 1: right hand corner, just to make sure that there's nothing
Speaker 1: in there that says remote or access or anything like that.
Speaker 1: So do you remember the name of the program that
Speaker 1: they installed?
Speaker 4: Uh? Not really?
Speaker 1: Okay, so it may help to it may still be
Speaker 1: in your downloads folder, so you can look in there
Speaker 1: to see if there's like a name in there, but
Speaker 1: obviously delete that as well. But just that's what i'd
Speaker 1: recommend to get your computer back up and running. If
Speaker 1: you really want to be safe, you may want to
Speaker 1: just factory reset your computer. I don't know what your
Speaker 1: backup situation is like, but that could that could be
Speaker 1: an option as well. But I think that you'll probably
Speaker 1: be okay if you just uninstall this program through the
Speaker 1: through the panel.
Speaker 2: Does that help?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 4: It does?
Speaker 2: All right, Aeron.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry went through this, man, and it's a good
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you went through it, but I think it's
Speaker 1: a good learning lesson for other folks listening, because it
Speaker 1: is something that happens every single day, and it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter if you're smart if you're savvy, if you're with it,
Speaker 1: if you're old, if you're young, It does not matter.
Speaker 1: This happens to everyone. It's a numbers game. And what
Speaker 1: they're doing is they're just trying a lot of things.
Speaker 1: They're putting a lot of those messages on a lot
Speaker 1: of computers, and they're just hoping that someone takes the bait.
Speaker 1: And when they do, they really go for it. And
Speaker 1: you see what happened to Aaron. Aaron sounds like a
Speaker 1: smart guy. You know, he had to go through a
Speaker 1: lot and it was one of these things where he
Speaker 1: just wanted to get his computer fixed. And you know
Speaker 1: the thing about social engineering is that it always prays
Speaker 1: upon number one, are good nature. Number two, there's always
Speaker 1: an element of time, Hey, we got to get this done,
Speaker 1: we got to get this finished. And then there's always
Speaker 1: an element of engineering. And this social engineering is the
Speaker 1: fact that they do things modeled after what we actually do.
Speaker 1: And so when you get a text from your bank
Speaker 1: that says, hey, did you just try your credit card
Speaker 1: at Target?
Speaker 2: We declined that because we didn't know if it was
Speaker 2: you or not.
Speaker 1: Press one. If it's you, reply one. If it's you,
Speaker 1: reply two. If it's not banks actually send those texts out.
Speaker 1: I've gotten them, And so what do the scam artists do.
Speaker 1: They send similar texts because we've been trained for security
Speaker 1: to respond to those texts, and so what do they do.
Speaker 1: They send the same exact texts, so that we are
Speaker 1: already trained in our good nature to respond to those
Speaker 1: and say, oh, that wasn't me. And next thing you know,
Speaker 1: they call you. And that's the part of the scam
Speaker 1: where it kicks in. So now they call you and say, hey,
Speaker 1: this is a Chase bank. We're just following up on
Speaker 1: this and let's get everything figured out. Can you give
Speaker 1: me your account number again? And you say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: hold on, let me get my card. And next thing
Speaker 1: you know, before you even think about it, they've got
Speaker 1: your information. They got aaron social security number if they
Speaker 1: got access to his computer. And if you sitting there
Speaker 1: thinking it can't happen to you, oh it can. It
Speaker 1: absolutely can. So be aware, be on the lookout, and
Speaker 1: be critical of every single email, every link, every text message.
Speaker 1: Believe me, I specialize in this stuff for a living.
Speaker 1: And I sit there and people forward me their emails
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at it and I'm going hmm. Let
Speaker 1: me see that email address. Okay, it could be yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: let me look at that text. HM. That's interesting and
Speaker 1: there's a little gives. Sometimes you get an email and
Speaker 1: it's really easy to tell, but.
Speaker 2: Other times it's not.
Speaker 1: So just be aware of this stuff, all right, coming
Speaker 1: up more of your calls at triple eight rich one
Speaker 1: oh one. That's eight eight eight seven four to two,
Speaker 1: four to one zero one. We're going to talk about
Speaker 1: the nothing phone, and I'm going to tell you about
Speaker 1: if you have a Handai or a Kia, what you
Speaker 1: need to know about getting your car fixed so that
Speaker 1: nobody steals it. You are listening to rich on Tech.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to rich on Tech. Triple eight rich one
Speaker 1: oh one eight eight eight seven four to two four
Speaker 1: one zero one. If you have a question about technology,
Speaker 1: give me a call, just to kind of a footnote
Speaker 1: on the last caller. Great website called scamspotter dot org.
Speaker 1: Scam spotter dot org. This is a great website to
Speaker 1: learn about the scams that are out there and how
Speaker 1: they work and how to protect yourself. So of course
Speaker 1: that'll be in the show notes as well. So if
Speaker 1: you have a Hyundai or a Kia, five million of
Speaker 1: them still need anti theft repairs. Carfax teaming up with
Speaker 1: these companies to kind of get people in to figure
Speaker 1: out if they need this or not. So Hondai and
Speaker 1: Ki are giving customers free steering wheel locks or a
Speaker 1: free software update, and about four point nine million cars
Speaker 1: across the US still need this, so they're highlighting the
Speaker 1: issue on their website and also the vehicle history report,
Speaker 1: so if you're shopping for a used Hyundai or Kia,
Speaker 1: you can see if the car you're buying or want
Speaker 1: to buy has already had the software work done. So
Speaker 1: this will be on the car FACS used car listing,
Speaker 1: So how do you know if this is your car?
Speaker 1: Affected cars twenty ten through twenty twenty two, and they
Speaker 1: have keyed ignition, so if you have a push button ignition,
Speaker 1: this doesn't apply to you. Basically, they don't have an
Speaker 1: immobilizer to prevent theft, and people figured this out. They
Speaker 1: made TikTok videos about it, and people started stealing these cars.
Speaker 1: So what the software repair does is it extends the
Speaker 1: length of the alarm from thirty seconds to a minute,
Speaker 1: and it requires the key to being the ignition to
Speaker 1: actually turn the car on so people figured out that
Speaker 1: I guess he didn't need the key to turn on
Speaker 1: the car, and they were able to steal these cars
Speaker 1: pretty easily. The fifteen there's a bunch of states of the.
Speaker 2: Most of these cars on the road.
Speaker 1: California's number one with five hundred thousand, Florida number two,
Speaker 1: over five hundred thousand, Texas number three, and the Hyundai
Speaker 1: vehicles affected. Sonata, Tucson, A, Lantra, Genesis, Santa Fe, Accent, Kona,
Speaker 1: the venue the Palisade La car soul for the Kias,
Speaker 1: it's the soul of the Optima Forte Rio, Sedona, Sorrento Sportage.
Speaker 1: That's just a partial list, but if you want more information,
Speaker 1: Carfax has it on their website.
Speaker 2: I'll put this, of course in the show notes.
Speaker 1: But if you have a Hyundai or Kia twenty ten
Speaker 1: to twenty twenty two with a key ignition, you probably
Speaker 1: need to bring it in for a software update. It's free,
Speaker 1: so figure out if you need that. Let's go to
Speaker 1: let's see, let's go to Mike in Irvine, California. Mike,
Speaker 1: you're on with Rich.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so how are you doing, Rich?
Speaker 2: I'm doing fantastic.
Speaker 6: How are you I'm doing very well.
Speaker 7: So I have a little problem in my note ken.
Speaker 7: It has a thing I had on that I can't
Speaker 7: get rid of. And since I have so much stuff
Speaker 7: on my phone, I have all kinds of PDF files
Speaker 7: and you know, uh stuff I can't it's really hard,
Speaker 7: difficult to get again. So the day has been going
Speaker 7: for for about a half a year, and I've tried
Speaker 7: the heart. I tried to reset the phone, but I
Speaker 7: haven't reset with you raised everything. I got rid of
Speaker 7: all my apps, and it still presents itself. And here's
Speaker 7: what it is. It's a it's a it's a red
Speaker 7: and white spokes wheel that comes up. It's spinning, and
Speaker 7: about five seconds after it starts, it takes you that well,
Speaker 7: it locks you on that page. So you have to
Speaker 7: shut the phone off. You have to resetart the phone
Speaker 7: to get it back to regular again.
Speaker 11: If you just.
Speaker 7: If it just go out on the page, you go
Speaker 7: back and you can you can get a stop for
Speaker 7: a couple of minutes. But have you seen that thing before?
Speaker 1: Oh, I've yeah, I mean, it's uh, I'm not this
Speaker 1: particular one, but I'm pretty aware of these, uh these malware.
Speaker 1: It's probably is it is it generated from Chrome to
Speaker 1: you know, or is it coming from somewhere else.
Speaker 7: I'm I'm not using Chrome, using Duck dot go.
Speaker 2: I'm using Duck dot go and it still comes up.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, sure it does.
Speaker 4: Ran.
Speaker 7: Now now we're now we're bites on a bunch.
Speaker 2: Of times and it can't get rid of them.
Speaker 7: No, it doesn't go away.
Speaker 2: Well okay.
Speaker 1: Uh, and you can't use your phone because it just
Speaker 1: it takes it over.
Speaker 11: No.
Speaker 7: Well no, I've found a way of a way around it.
Speaker 7: But it makes it more, It makes it difficult. If
Speaker 7: I let it go to the AD, then I had
Speaker 7: to shut the phone down and start it again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's just gonna hang on that AD forever.
Speaker 2: All right. So a couple of things.
Speaker 1: Number one, I think that uh, you know, the idea
Speaker 1: that your phone, you know, if you have something like
Speaker 1: this happen, a backup is really important. You say, you've
Speaker 1: got PDFs and things. I would take the time to
Speaker 1: offload those to something like Google Drive, get those in
Speaker 1: a safe place, and you've got a factory reform at
Speaker 1: this phone. Unless it's at the ROM level of this phone,
Speaker 1: which I don't think it is, you know, that would
Speaker 1: be that would take some really getting in there. So
Speaker 1: I think this is on the software level. If you
Speaker 1: format this phone, I know you said you did that,
Speaker 1: but I think you have to do it again and
Speaker 1: that's going to get rid of this for sure. Also,
Speaker 1: the other thing you can do is try to boot
Speaker 1: up your phone in safe mode, and so you can,
Speaker 1: according to this is just one way power and volume
Speaker 1: buttons down until the power off prompt and then you
Speaker 1: can go into safe mode.
Speaker 2: So figure out how to do that.
Speaker 1: And then go into your list of apps and get
Speaker 1: rid of apps that you don't know restart your phone.
Speaker 1: But Mike, you definitely got to get rid of this stuff,
Speaker 1: and those are the probably the ways to do it.
Speaker 2: You're listening to rich on Tech.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to rich on Tech. Rich Demiro here hang
Speaker 1: out with you talking technology. I've got a great guest
Speaker 1: to talk about a new phone. Kyle Jung is VP
Speaker 1: of Nothing. Nothing is actually a phone company and they
Speaker 1: are introducing their Nothing to phone.
Speaker 2: Kyle, thanks so much for joining me.
Speaker 12: Oh thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: All right, so first off, let's talk about this name Nothing.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of a fun play on words. Why
Speaker 1: is the company called nothing?
Speaker 12: I mean, I think the original thing behind it is
Speaker 12: we're trying. Nothing is trying to remove barriers between you
Speaker 12: and your tech, and so what's witch in being being
Speaker 12: matine in your tech?
Speaker 3: Nothing?
Speaker 1: So you had the Nothing phone, the original that was
Speaker 1: not necessarily on sale in the US in a big way.
Speaker 1: But this Nothing phone two is so tell me about
Speaker 1: the Nothing too.
Speaker 12: Yeah, So Nothing Too is Nothing's first introduction, and I'd
Speaker 12: say it kind of like the premium flagship department. It's
Speaker 12: building out what the company's done over its first three years,
Speaker 12: and so it also represents of Nothing's I think beyond
Speaker 12: entry into the premium flagship department. Also showcasing differentiation on
Speaker 12: not just hardware, which has been successful over the first
Speaker 12: two years, and why people have been choosing Nothing products,
Speaker 12: but also showing differentiation on software and combining those into
Speaker 12: one overall integrated user experience.
Speaker 1: So a lot of the folks at Nothing at this
Speaker 1: point came from a company called one Plus, which I
Speaker 1: really enjoyed their phones. I feel like Nothing has really
Speaker 1: taken what one plus started and ran with it. So
Speaker 1: you get this phone that I've been using for the
Speaker 1: past couple of weeks, and it's a really nice Android experience.
Speaker 2: So tell me what went into this?
Speaker 12: Uh yeah, I mean I think a couple different areas,
Speaker 12: and I think the top line thinking is we think
Speaker 12: about is purposeful, intentional smartphone usage. And so one thing
Speaker 12: that people have noticed is we have a glyph interface
Speaker 12: on the back which is intended to allow you to
Speaker 12: put down your phone but get important pieces of information
Speaker 12: and still like you to get information without having to
Speaker 12: necessarily look at your phone all the time. And that's
Speaker 12: something that on Phone two, we've interested a couple of
Speaker 12: new features which you think are legitimately useful and help
Speaker 12: you interact differently with your phone. One of them is
Speaker 12: we've adapted third part notifications to allow you to basically,
Speaker 12: let's say you're calling an uber, there's a time on
Speaker 12: the back of your device that allows you have your
Speaker 12: phone down and it tracks the progress of your uber
Speaker 12: coming to you without having to necessarily look at your phone.
Speaker 12: A couple of examples, we have something called essential notifications,
Speaker 12: where one of the glyph lights will notify you if somebody,
Speaker 12: a specific person in a specific app is trying to contact,
Speaker 12: So that way there's that one or two three people
Speaker 12: you really want to hear from on a Daytay basis
Speaker 12: but you don't want to be looking at your phone
Speaker 12: all the time, and so that's allowing you to put
Speaker 12: your phone down but will still being able to get
Speaker 12: important information.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So if you look at the back of this device,
Speaker 1: it is clear glass, and there's a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: like you said, glyphs, they're basically led lights on the back.
Speaker 1: And so if you had like a BlackBerry back in
Speaker 1: the day, there's that one light that just kind of
Speaker 1: turned on when you got a notification. This allows you
Speaker 1: to customize that experience in many more ways. And so
Speaker 1: this glyph light, like I have one set up. If
Speaker 1: my wife texts me, I will see that on the back.
Speaker 1: But the interesting thing is to use that feature, you
Speaker 1: have to turn your phone upside down so the screen
Speaker 1: is down.
Speaker 2: Is that intentional?
Speaker 12: Yeah, it is in the sense that I think we're
Speaker 12: we hear from people. And there's a couple things we'll
Speaker 12: talk about probably in a second on software where I
Speaker 12: think people want to not be as trapped to their
Speaker 12: devices and not to the to their devices, and I
Speaker 12: think we're conscious of that and I think that's where
Speaker 12: we think technology should go.
Speaker 1: And so another feature along those lines is you can
Speaker 1: make your entire interface pretty much black and white or
Speaker 1: gray tone, and so you've got these monochromatic icons for
Speaker 1: everything in your phone.
Speaker 2: What's been the research on that.
Speaker 12: A couple different things. I mean, I don't think it's
Speaker 12: I don't think it's hard to explain now that I
Speaker 12: think people are not totally satisfied with maybe the role
Speaker 12: that social media's played, the role that apps are necessarily
Speaker 12: playing in terms of how much people spend time spent
Speaker 12: under the device. I think it's pretty common for somebody
Speaker 12: to open their device, click into social media, and just
Speaker 12: get kind of lost for ten minutes, and then they
Speaker 12: realize what was I doing? You know, what did I
Speaker 12: even come on my phone for? For this monochrome feature,
Speaker 12: we've basically taken an approach where if you reduce the
Speaker 12: colors and you know, all the things that you're used
Speaker 12: to seeing in apps, it makes you much more intentional
Speaker 12: in terms of what you're doing. And since I've been
Speaker 12: using it for the last month, it's it's changed my
Speaker 12: behavior in terms of how I interact with with apps,
Speaker 12: because I think, to be honest with a lot of
Speaker 12: smartphone companies are marketing for app companies, but I don't
Speaker 12: think that's what users actually want. In addition to that,
Speaker 12: we've also allowed you to do some I think smart customization.
Speaker 12: You increase the size of an app to necessarily something
Speaker 12: you're using on a regular basis, to be able to
Speaker 12: get into it quicker. And also we've created also some
Speaker 12: widgets that we think are useful and functional. And you know,
Speaker 12: one example is like the weather widget. You can click
Speaker 12: on it if it's on your home screen. You don't
Speaker 12: have to go into an app. You can quickly get
Speaker 12: you know, the five day forecast, the hourly temperature, and
Speaker 12: you're kind of in and out. And so I think
Speaker 12: that's how we've kind of thought about technology in terms
Speaker 12: of being intentional.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about this an Android phone, it's running Android software.
Speaker 1: Does nothing have their own brand of software.
Speaker 12: We referred to as nothing os, and this will be
Speaker 12: introducing nothing Less two point zero. And I think we're
Speaker 12: taking a different approach on software where a lot of
Speaker 12: the feedback we've heard is that, to be honest, androids
Speaker 12: a little bit kind of there's a lot of customization,
Speaker 12: he gets a little bit messy. It's not the design.
Speaker 12: I think a lot of people have told us there's
Speaker 12: a lot of room for improvement, and I think on
Speaker 12: iOS at the same time, a lot of people tell
Speaker 12: us it's just kind of like a se of kind
Speaker 12: of apps, and so I think we've given thought to
Speaker 12: what that will look like. And I think with our
Speaker 12: introduction of Analysts of Nothing OS two point zero, we've
Speaker 12: gotten a lot of positive feedback and I think people
Speaker 12: were seeing where we're trying to go with this because
Speaker 12: we think there actually is a better way.
Speaker 1: So some of the things that you can do differently.
Speaker 1: You can put these little widgets on your lock screen
Speaker 1: which give you one tap. I have mindset up for scanning,
Speaker 1: a QR code, the calculator, a focus mode, and then
Speaker 1: the final one is a timer, and then when you
Speaker 1: get into your phone, it's very clean.
Speaker 2: It almost reminds me.
Speaker 1: Of pixel esque software. So it's kind of like stock Android,
Speaker 1: which people like. And the other thing that people want
Speaker 1: to know about, of course, is the camera. So I've
Speaker 1: been quite impressed with the pictures that I've taken on this,
Speaker 1: which is no easy feet because I test a lot
Speaker 1: of different phones. The cameras are sort of basic. You
Speaker 1: get your your wide angle and then your ultra wide,
Speaker 1: so no real big optical hunter time zoom on this phone.
Speaker 1: But the camera works and it's it's a pretty nice
Speaker 1: camera experience.
Speaker 2: Tell me about building that.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think this was our kind of thought on
Speaker 12: camera and it kind of ties to some of the
Speaker 12: things we thought about on software, where we focus probably
Speaker 12: more on software because you can focus on hardware and software.
Speaker 12: And on the hardware side, I will acknowledge you know,
Speaker 12: we've we've made a big improvement of the lens on
Speaker 12: the front and improve lens on the main camera. But
Speaker 12: because we focus more on software or philosophies, basically we
Speaker 12: should be doing more there because if you're going to
Speaker 12: add a lot of hardware to it, the phone design
Speaker 12: is going to get bigger, it's going to get bulky,
Speaker 12: and it changed the design of the device, and so
Speaker 12: we focus on two use occasions in addition, in addition
Speaker 12: to it being able to provide a flagship smartphone experience
Speaker 12: getting all the shots you want. Our general thinking is
Speaker 12: if you have a smartphone that's pretty good in regular light,
Speaker 12: in normal setting, anybody can get a good photo. But
Speaker 12: we're trying to calibrate for a couple use cases edge
Speaker 12: cases that where people people struggle dynamic range. So one
Speaker 12: with advanced HDR we put into this. It allows you
Speaker 12: to take better photographs where lighting is different. There's a
Speaker 12: light and dark contrast, and with advanced HDR we're basically
Speaker 12: merging eight images down to allow you to get a
Speaker 12: better photograph, taking eight images in raw domain and putting
Speaker 12: those together. In addition, we're also calibrating for quick motion,
Speaker 12: so something we call motion Capture two point zero. It's
Speaker 12: going to allow you to take maybe sports photography your
Speaker 12: pets move around quickly and gate images that come out
Speaker 12: well though, so we're kind of optimizing for the use
Speaker 12: cases that people struggle with.
Speaker 1: One of the tricks that you can utilize with the
Speaker 1: glyph interface on the back, it almost acts as a
Speaker 1: ring light, so instead of just using a flash, it
Speaker 1: really illuminates the entire back of the phone, so for
Speaker 1: nighttime photography.
Speaker 12: Yeah, and we've also put a setting there too that
Speaker 12: people have asked us to kind of toggle the brightness
Speaker 12: on the glyph as well.
Speaker 1: Pricing on this device and where's a go to be
Speaker 1: available here in the US.
Speaker 12: You can buy it from nothing dot tech in starting
Speaker 12: at five ninety nine US.
Speaker 2: How do you get around that entire world of the
Speaker 2: iPhone in the US not so much.
Speaker 1: You travel a lot, so you've seen in the other
Speaker 1: parts of the world iPhone is not It's prevalent, but
Speaker 1: it's not this thing that you have to have because
Speaker 1: people use other messaging apps. But here in the US,
Speaker 1: it's all about imassage and having the iPhone. So how
Speaker 1: do you market to people and say, hey, you don't
Speaker 1: necessarily have to have that and you.
Speaker 2: Can still have a great smartphone experience.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 12: I mean, one thing we've seen is actually a lot
Speaker 12: of our partners have told us that are switching rate
Speaker 12: from iOS to US is way higher than any of
Speaker 12: the other injury companies. I think we have a much
Speaker 12: higher percentage of gen Z users, and I think people
Speaker 12: are attracted to as base earn approach on you know better.
Speaker 12: We think a user experience a better design.
Speaker 2: And so I think that's.
Speaker 12: Where we're starting, and you know, I think we'll we'll
Speaker 12: take it from there.
Speaker 1: And my final question is how do I use a
Speaker 1: case with this device? Because the back is something that
Speaker 1: you want it it's almost a useful it is a
Speaker 1: useful back.
Speaker 12: Yeah, so visitor, Well, we'll have accessories on site. And
Speaker 12: also I think people can take comfort that We've done
Speaker 12: decent durability testing Google Glass five so you can feel
Speaker 12: comfortable using on a data basis.
Speaker 1: Okay, and launching in the US for the first time.
Speaker 1: Are you excited about this?
Speaker 2: Very?
Speaker 12: I mean, I think you know, I think you know.
Speaker 12: For people that are new to Nothing, check out the reviews,
Speaker 12: and I think that's our best proof point.
Speaker 2: Kyle Jong, thanks so much for joining me.
Speaker 12: Thanks for having me VP of Nothing A Lot in
Speaker 12: a little.
Speaker 2: My name is rich Demiro.
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Speaker 1: Tom is in Woodland, Hills. Tom, you're on with Rich.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show.
Speaker 11: Hey Rich, how are you doing?
Speaker 2: I'm doing great? How are you?
Speaker 11: I'm doing? Okay. Here's nice situation. I have had a
Speaker 11: Gmail account still do. I ditched Yahoo in two thousand
Speaker 11: and seven, and so over the years, I've been.
Speaker 7: On a number of.
Speaker 11: High volume email lists. So I get a lot of email.
Speaker 11: And when I look at the mail app on my iPhone,
Speaker 11: it says that I have upwards of ninety nine thousand
Speaker 11: email messages unlist messages.
Speaker 2: That's a lot. Yeah, that's a lot.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Is that saying on your on your little like the
Speaker 1: little icon says that many?
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh that would drive me nuts.
Speaker 14: It does.
Speaker 11: A buddy of mine looked at my phone the other days,
Speaker 11: but you don't. You don't ever read your email first.
Speaker 14: But anyway, so my question is, is.
Speaker 11: There a way I can log into Gmail on the web?
Speaker 11: I was reading up on this and I thought it
Speaker 11: said something about you can go into the search box
Speaker 11: and type in before colon whatever your arbitrary cutoff date is,
Speaker 11: do a search on that and it will show you
Speaker 11: everything you know before that cutoff date. Let's say January
Speaker 11: first of this year. Yep, and.
Speaker 14: So I I did that, and I clipped on the
Speaker 14: what and then all button and it only shows me.
Speaker 11: Fifty messages of fifty conversations at a time, right, okay,
Speaker 11: what I you know? And I'm thinking, well, why only fifty?
Speaker 11: Uh so? And if I if I want to delete
Speaker 11: a badge of fifty at the time, I'm going to
Speaker 11: have to do that, you know, close to two thousand
Speaker 11: times to.
Speaker 14: Get rid of all this stuff.
Speaker 1: Yep, So is there kind of you're you're breaking up Tom,
Speaker 1: But I've got I've got the question and I've got
Speaker 1: the answer. So yeah, you can clean this out and
Speaker 1: you can use the search bar. I was going to
Speaker 1: recommend that you go to Gmail on the web, so
Speaker 1: you can go to mail dot Google dot com and
Speaker 1: at the top of and this is why I love
Speaker 1: Gmail is that you know, it is highly searchable, and
Speaker 1: Google is applying a whole bunch of different things to
Speaker 1: help you find your emails fast, even in a ce
Speaker 1: of ninety nine thousand emails. But if you want to
Speaker 1: get rid of those emails, there's also a lot of
Speaker 1: functions of that search bar that works for more than
Speaker 1: just typing in a keyword. So if you go to
Speaker 1: that search bar, and you look at the on the right,
Speaker 1: there's like some kind of like a little you know,
Speaker 1: like a setting icon. You can click that for the
Speaker 1: advanced search, and there you can get in and really
Speaker 1: figure out what you want to do. So the date
Speaker 1: there is a date search inside there which you can
Speaker 1: kind of start to use. But I think what you
Speaker 1: were talking about is really what you want to do.
Speaker 1: And so one of the things that I typically do
Speaker 1: is look for attachments that are larger than a certain size.
Speaker 1: So let's say ten megabytes, and so I can go
Speaker 1: through and just get rid of all those emails because
Speaker 1: they're just taking up unnecessary space. But the search that
Speaker 1: you want to do is basically type in before colon
Speaker 1: the year, and I can do this right now before
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, twenty twenty two rather one two. So
Speaker 1: if you want to get all the emails, you know
Speaker 1: before that date, and you click that search that in
Speaker 1: and it will give you a list, And like you said,
Speaker 1: it's only going to give you depending on how you
Speaker 1: have your Gmail set up. You have fifty messages at
Speaker 1: a time, I have one hundred displayed on my screen.
Speaker 1: You can change that in the settings. But when you
Speaker 1: click the box on the upper column. There's like a
Speaker 1: little check mark box above the messages, and you click
Speaker 1: that and it will highlight all the messages on that page. Now,
Speaker 1: like you said, that's only fifty messages at a time.
Speaker 1: This will take you a long time to go through
Speaker 1: ninety nine thousand. But if you notice, Google's pretty smart.
Speaker 1: It says, all one hundred conversations on this page are selected.
Speaker 1: Select all conversations that match this search. You click that,
Speaker 1: and now you are selecting a whole bunch of messages
Speaker 1: theoretically all ninety nine thousand. I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: going to be true of the moment you do this. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do this right now. But then
Speaker 1: you click the trash can up at the top where
Speaker 1: it says delete, and it's going to take a while, Tom,
Speaker 1: Believe me, this is not going to happen instantly. So
Speaker 1: if you want to practice with this, the way you
Speaker 1: can practice, if you're listening and you want to delete
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of stuff at once, go into your
Speaker 1: spam on Gmail. Click the select box at the top
Speaker 1: of the list of spam, and it says all one
Speaker 1: hundred conversations on this page are selected, or however many
Speaker 1: you have, and then it says select all, and I
Speaker 1: happen to have three hundred and sixty one spam conversations,
Speaker 1: so I click there and now it says delete forever.
Speaker 1: And it's a little different than the trash can on
Speaker 1: the other page. But that can give you some practice
Speaker 1: as to how long it takes to delete this. It
Speaker 1: will take a little bit of time to delete, but
Speaker 1: that's the way to do it. Yes, I would recommend
Speaker 1: cleaning out Gmail every once in a while because your
Speaker 1: Gmail does count against your Google storage. You get five
Speaker 1: gigabytes or sorry you get I think you get f
Speaker 1: fifteen storage. Gigabytes of storage on Gmail for free. In fact,
Speaker 1: when Google first started, it was unlimited and there's actually
Speaker 1: if you remember this, this is going way back to
Speaker 1: when Gmail started. Gmail started on April Fool's Day, so
Speaker 1: everyone thought it was a joke because it was unlimited
Speaker 1: email storage. And of course that changed as Google got
Speaker 1: bigger and Gmail got more popular. But it was unlimited
Speaker 1: and it had a little count not a countdown, a
Speaker 1: count up, So every second you were on that homepage
Speaker 1: of Gmail, it would tick up another little tiny fraction
Speaker 1: of a megabyte or a gigabyte of storage, and I
Speaker 1: think it launched with one gig of storage. I can't
Speaker 1: really remember. I'm sure I could look it up, but
Speaker 1: it launched with so much storage. And you have to
Speaker 1: remember at the time, Hotmail was the best thing going
Speaker 1: for email, and it gave you like ten megabytes of storage,
Speaker 1: and Gmail comes on and they're giving you a gig
Speaker 1: and people just thought, no way, there's no way this
Speaker 1: is true.
Speaker 2: It can't be.
Speaker 1: And so yes, it is good question, Tom, and clean
Speaker 1: up that Gmail. Get those ninety nine thousand messages out
Speaker 1: of there, and your.
Speaker 2: Life will be better for it.
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Speaker 1: Coming up on this hour, old friend of the show,
Speaker 1: travel expert Johnny Jet will explain the high tech travel
Speaker 1: scam you need to be aware of personally. I was
Speaker 1: just asking Johnny for some advice about a trip to
Speaker 1: Hawaii I'm trying to plan, and it's it's sometimes it's
Speaker 1: nice to have these guests on speed dial because I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: you want to be on the show, all so can
Speaker 1: I ask you a side question?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: And it's just I do that with a lot of guests.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Jeff. Jeff is in in Vernice, Florida. Jeff,
Speaker 1: Did I get that right?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 14: Sir?
Speaker 2: All right, you're on with Rich. What's up?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 13: You were talking about software for note taking. Yes, I
Speaker 13: had a great one that I used on a Macintosh
Speaker 13: back in the I don't know, late eighties and early nineties.
Speaker 13: It was called more by Simantek.
Speaker 2: Oh, the security company.
Speaker 13: Yes, really, well before they, I guess dabbled in creating
Speaker 13: useful software, and this was extremely useful. It was they
Speaker 13: called it an outlining program. You could capture your thoughts
Speaker 13: just randomly got that, you know, collect them line by line,
Speaker 13: and then use the mouse to organize them because their
Speaker 13: mouse and uh uh return keys and indent keys to
Speaker 13: organize the thoughts so that they were in hierarchical order.
Speaker 2: Interesting drag and dropp or is this more.
Speaker 13: Of just like drag and drop?
Speaker 2: Okay? Wow? Interesting?
Speaker 13: So you can build an outline of these thoughts. And
Speaker 13: what was beautiful is that then you could click a
Speaker 13: button and create presentation charts that were organized to organize
Speaker 13: your thoughts that way. For some reason, the antic didn't
Speaker 13: elect to upgrade uh the software, and then they dropped
Speaker 13: it and nobody took it up.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: To continue this, I've never heard of this one, but
Speaker 1: I'm looking up on the Wikipedia and it said it
Speaker 1: was selected editor's choice Mac User magazine best Organizer and
Speaker 1: best product of nineteen eighty six. But here's what's interesting, Jeff,
Speaker 1: what you're describing is exactly how Notion works. So have
Speaker 1: you checked have you tried Notion at all?
Speaker 14: No?
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is like.
Speaker 1: The hot new program right now and everyone's using it
Speaker 1: because it's it's so flexible. But I'm not kidding. It's
Speaker 1: exactly what you're talking about. It's outline based. It's very
Speaker 1: similar where it's drag and drop, and it's hierarchical. Tough
Speaker 1: to say that word for me. You can organize things
Speaker 1: in a hierarchy by dragging. So let's say you create
Speaker 1: two pages. You can make one of the pages sort
Speaker 1: of nest into the other page by dragging it into
Speaker 1: that page, and then you can even do a third
Speaker 1: layer and have that page nest into that. So it
Speaker 1: is really interesting in what you're talking about. This is
Speaker 1: kind of similar, but you know, a little bit different obviously.
Speaker 1: But if you look on the Wikipedia page too, Notion
Speaker 1: is listed as an outline software, and so other other
Speaker 1: softwares that I mean they also not see there. They
Speaker 1: group it into note taking slash outliner software. So I
Speaker 1: think that I don't think all of these that they
Speaker 1: list are really outliner, but I do think Notion is. So,
Speaker 1: so what do you use these days now.
Speaker 13: Jeff, I don't use anything. I'm gleefully retired.
Speaker 1: Oh well, perfect, there you go, so you don't you
Speaker 1: don't need to take any notes anymore. No, but it
Speaker 1: sounded like back in the day you were you were
Speaker 1: all about this this more program.
Speaker 2: Huh oh yeah, very nice. And do you still have
Speaker 2: a copy of your data from there or no?
Speaker 13: Yeah, somewhere somewhere.
Speaker 2: It's probably probably wouldn't.
Speaker 13: Well, yeah, in the box somewhere.
Speaker 1: Very fun. Well, thanks for listening down there in Florida today.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
Speaker 13: Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: All right, thank you appreciate that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, look, people want to be organized in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty six just as much as they do today. It's
Speaker 1: just that today we have a thousand more options, and
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's funny now talking to Jeff, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of like looking at Notion again. I'm like, ah,
Speaker 1: I really want to figure out how to use this.
Speaker 1: I really want to like, I want to love it
Speaker 1: because it's got everything I need, including AI. So AI
Speaker 1: is built into Notion, which is really neat. So let's
Speaker 1: just say, let's just say you put your notes from
Speaker 1: a meeting into this notion like into a page. You
Speaker 1: can tap the forward slash and then it brings up
Speaker 1: AI and it brings up a whole bunch of stuff,
Speaker 1: one of those things being AI, so you can actually
Speaker 1: summarize I mean, you could do so much with AI
Speaker 1: on here too. So it's built right in. It's really
Speaker 1: quite incredible. Let's see, let's go to Sarah. Sarah's in
Speaker 1: Huntington Beach. Sarah, you're on with rich.
Speaker 15: Oh yeah, how are you doing today?
Speaker 2: I'm doing great? How are you?
Speaker 7: I'm good.
Speaker 15: I'm kind of excited to hopefully get some information from
Speaker 15: you today about I don't know, three years ago, maybe
Speaker 15: I was in Arizona and at a big old shopping
Speaker 15: mall they had a traveling exhibit of a museum, and
Speaker 15: one of the exhibits and it was a virtual reality
Speaker 15: experience and you just win. You put on the little goggles,
Speaker 15: you sat on the bench and it took you. When
Speaker 15: you watched, you were like on a little rowboat going
Speaker 15: through and it was the graphics were almost like watercolor
Speaker 15: paintings around you, but you felt like you were in it.
Speaker 15: You're on this little boat and when the dog jumps
Speaker 15: in the boat, the boat tips and you grab on
Speaker 15: the bench like you're going to fall out, and I
Speaker 15: was like, this is amazing.
Speaker 11: I have to do this again.
Speaker 15: And I mean when I look online, there's such a
Speaker 15: wide gambit of oh yeah, video you know, VR goggles
Speaker 15: thirty nine, and then there's videos things for six hundred dollars,
Speaker 15: and I'm I don't want to play video games. I
Speaker 15: just want that experience again, like maybe river rafting or
Speaker 15: going walking through a museum somewhere else. You know, I'm
Speaker 15: not really interested in games, and I've seen I've seen those,
Speaker 15: but I don't know what I'm looking for. I don't know,
Speaker 15: you know, what do I want? I know what I
Speaker 15: want to do, but I don't know what I you know,
Speaker 15: what am I shopping for?
Speaker 16: Here?
Speaker 1: Were you stationary or were you moving?
Speaker 15: Yes, We're just like you're sitting on a bench and
Speaker 15: I could you not win that in the in the experience.
Speaker 15: And I'm sure things have gotten you know, exponentially.
Speaker 2: More you know, yeah, more vibrant in your mind.
Speaker 1: You're just like, oh, and we you know, we were
Speaker 1: eating popcorn while we did this, and you know it's
Speaker 1: we just we're.
Speaker 15: Sitting in this little rowboat and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 15: the dog jumps in and in the in your what
Speaker 15: you're seeing is your boat tip And I'm not kidding.
Speaker 15: I help them, and I was like, oh, could have,
Speaker 15: but it was very primitive compared to what I'm sure.
Speaker 7: There's out there now.
Speaker 15: But I want to do it again, you know, And
Speaker 15: I don't know what to shop for to ask for,
Speaker 15: and I'm you know, I'm not one of the techies
Speaker 15: of the universe. So I need some help here.
Speaker 7: Okay, Well, I have some money.
Speaker 15: I wanted them to do this again. I want to
Speaker 15: be able to do it whenever I want, not hope
Speaker 15: to gosh, it comes back to Arizona someday, and I'm
Speaker 15: not in Arizona.
Speaker 6: So that's the other part.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, a couple things.
Speaker 1: So if you want just an experience that's similar that
Speaker 1: I think you would really love, check out a place
Speaker 1: called Dreamscape. Dreamscape Immersive is sort of a high tech
Speaker 1: VR movie theater, but it's like an experience. And I've
Speaker 1: done a couple of these. I've done a lot of them, actually,
Speaker 1: and they've got locations in La Saudi Arabia. Well, I
Speaker 1: guess La is the main one. They Wow, they must
Speaker 1: have closed a bunch of locations. Wow, they had a
Speaker 1: whole bunch more and they're all closed, but La still
Speaker 1: has one at the Century City Mall Westfield Century City.
Speaker 1: If you haven't tried this, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Go go, go, go go.
Speaker 1: You will love it before you do anything else, Sarah,
Speaker 1: go to this Dreamscape, pay a couple bucks. I think
Speaker 1: it's like twenty b ticket, thirty bucks, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: and just try one of these adventures. They have one
Speaker 1: that's like an alien zoo. That's the first one I did.
Speaker 1: They've got an underwater They've got one that's sort of
Speaker 1: like Indiana Jones. They've got one that's based on a
Speaker 1: DreamWorks movie How to Train Your Dragon. And they've got
Speaker 1: a Men in Black one And I don't know if
Speaker 1: I did that one. I can't remember, but definitely check
Speaker 1: out Dreamscape Immersive. Gotta go do that. It's really really
Speaker 1: cool that that'll be similar. The other thing is two
Speaker 1: Bit Circus in downtown they have in Los Angeles. They
Speaker 1: have some stuff like this that's really really cool and
Speaker 1: it's actually walking VR like I was on the side
Speaker 1: of a cliff and it was just so incredible. But
Speaker 1: if you want to do this at home, I think
Speaker 1: the thing to get is the Metaquest too.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I can't recommend a specific app that you can run
Speaker 1: on here, but I can tell you that if you
Speaker 1: want to walk through cities and things like that, they
Speaker 1: have this is this is the gold standard right now.
Speaker 1: It's about three hundred dollars for this device. It'll probably
Speaker 1: go on so during the holidays, So if you can
Speaker 1: wait a little bit, you probably want to do that.
Speaker 1: But if you really want to wait, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think I could recommend spending thirty five hundred dollars,
Speaker 1: but you said you had some money to spend. Apple
Speaker 1: is going to come out with their VR headset sometime
Speaker 1: next year, and it is going to be quite incredible,
Speaker 1: and I think it's going to unlock some really incredible experiences,
Speaker 1: things that the Metaquest can't even do, because Apple's is
Speaker 1: more augmented reality as well, which means you can see
Speaker 1: your surroundings, you can get up, you can walk around.
Speaker 1: But I think the Metaquest too right now is probably
Speaker 1: going to be a pretty good bet and you can
Speaker 1: really immerse yourself in some of the experiences. I was
Speaker 1: talking about the hotel I wanted to stay at in Hawaii,
Speaker 1: and I actually put on my headset and I was
Speaker 1: It was very primitive, but I was able to be
Speaker 1: in the lobby of the hotel, in the in the
Speaker 1: main areas of the hotel. Stepping outside the hotel. I
Speaker 1: couldn't walk through it per se. But I think that
Speaker 1: that's going to be one of the biggest iplications of
Speaker 1: VR is going to be travel, not just to experience
Speaker 1: different places, but also to research. So instead of going
Speaker 1: on trip Advisor and just kind of, you know, clicking
Speaker 1: through a million pictures, you're actually gonna be able to
Speaker 1: stand and look at this hotel in front of you,
Speaker 1: walk into the lobby, walk upstairs into a room, check
Speaker 1: out the beach, check out the facilities at this place.
Speaker 1: It's going to be quite incredible. So Sarah medequest to
Speaker 1: check it out if that's what you want now, otherwise
Speaker 1: if you really want to spend some cash. I think
Speaker 1: the Apple Apple headset is going to be quite incredible later, but.
Speaker 2: We don't know when that's coming out. Sometime next year.
Speaker 1: All right, coming up on the show, we still got
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about Samsung where they're doing their
Speaker 1: next event, Amazon One, which uses your palm to.
Speaker 2: Check out that's coming to all whole food stores.
Speaker 1: I'll explain that, and Johnny Jet gonna talk travel, travel
Speaker 1: tech plus maybe we'll squeeze in some more calls at
Speaker 1: Triple eight Rich one O one eight eight eight seven
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to rich On Tech. Casey is in Millington, Tennessee. Casey,
Speaker 1: you're on with rich.
Speaker 16: Hey, rich how you do it?
Speaker 4: Thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 2: I'm doing great. How are you?
Speaker 9: I'm doing right?
Speaker 16: Thanks? Hey, uh yeah, I had a question for you.
Speaker 16: I wonder what would be a good recommendation for affordable wireless
Speaker 16: scander that could use with just an iPad or iPhone
Speaker 16: that would require computer so good to use as well.
Speaker 2: Oh good question.
Speaker 1: I can tell you the one that I really like
Speaker 1: that I've tested and it works great with Android and iPhone.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to see if they still make it and
Speaker 1: it's still around. Yeah, okay, it's called the scan Snap
Speaker 1: I X one hundred. I'm trying to see do they
Speaker 1: have a newer model of this. It's been a while,
Speaker 1: but it's this is this is one is great. It's
Speaker 1: it's portable, it's small, and it does can act right
Speaker 1: to your phone, which is really nice, so you don't
Speaker 1: have to necessarily have sort of any sort of like middleman,
Speaker 1: you know. It just kind of like works, and it
Speaker 1: works for receipts. And look, there's a million different scanners
Speaker 1: out there, I think, you know, but a lot of
Speaker 1: them are pretty big, A lot of them are there.
Speaker 1: Do you need a flatbed though, that's a question.
Speaker 16: No, I want something that's pretty portable and just wanted
Speaker 16: I wouldn't have to look computer when I want to
Speaker 16: use it to stand something real quick, you know with
Speaker 16: my phone.
Speaker 1: Yea, yeah, And so I think that the only and
Speaker 1: I would need to check on this, but I think
Speaker 1: that you might need to be on the same network
Speaker 1: as your phone, or what would happen is this device
Speaker 1: would you'd let's say you're in the field, right, you
Speaker 1: can scan something like receipts or papers, but then you'd
Speaker 1: have to when you get back to your home WiFi
Speaker 1: that's when it would upload.
Speaker 2: Or you might be able to just use the the.
Speaker 1: Hotspot on your phone to kind of get that into
Speaker 1: your phone. So I would have to because I use
Speaker 1: this at home, and so I'm not sure like out
Speaker 1: if I was like in an isolated place, without a
Speaker 1: sort of a Wi Fi hotspot or something, if this
Speaker 1: would still work the same way it does. Like I'm
Speaker 1: you know, like Bluetooth or whatever to the phone, Like
Speaker 1: I don't think it does that, but it does do
Speaker 1: Wi Fi and it really works pretty well. So I
Speaker 1: think you could also plug it into the phone if
Speaker 1: you need it to, like you can actually physically plug
Speaker 1: it in. But it's great. It's a it's a super
Speaker 1: simple little scanner. I also like that it can scan
Speaker 1: to the phone or it can scan directly to the cloud.
Speaker 1: So I have mindset up where it can go right
Speaker 1: to like Google Cloud, Google Drive rather and it's just
Speaker 1: you know, I sit there and I take maybe once
Speaker 1: a month, I'll just scan all my documents, all my
Speaker 1: bills and paperwork and whatever needs to be kept. I'll
Speaker 1: just scan it and it just goes right up into
Speaker 1: there and it's it's it's pretty it's a pretty good system.
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of like the gold standard for
Speaker 1: small portable scanners.
Speaker 16: Okay, yeah, and that's actually what I use a lot
Speaker 16: is Evernote, And I'm kind of wondering to see what
Speaker 16: your thoughts are that Evernote as for a lot of
Speaker 16: out of concern any things about them. I've been using
Speaker 16: it for about fifteen years. I've got a lot of
Speaker 16: stuff in there, but I'm worried how much longer they.
Speaker 4: May be around.
Speaker 1: Well here's the thing, and so you know, I kind
Speaker 1: of talked about this a little bit earlier. ID I
Speaker 1: didn't get into the nitty gritty of what's going on
Speaker 1: with Evernoe, But they were purchased by an Italian company
Speaker 1: called Bending Spoons. And the funny thing is, I mean
Speaker 1: this is a big company where they're well funded and
Speaker 1: now they own Ever, no, I don't think that.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, it could go two ways.
Speaker 1: It could either be it could fizzle out in the
Speaker 1: next year, or I mean I think a lot of
Speaker 1: enough people have their information. And ever note where I
Speaker 1: don't think this Bending Spoons bought this to run it
Speaker 1: into the ground. I think they bought it to make
Speaker 1: it better. Now, what gives me hope about Bending Spoons
Speaker 1: is that they make an app that is incredible. It's
Speaker 1: called Splice and it's my favorite app for editing on
Speaker 1: mobile devices. And they also make another app, Let's see,
Speaker 1: are they the ones betime behind this remedy. It's this
Speaker 1: app that does AI Photo kind of like I'm actually
Speaker 1: gonna talk about it later in the show. It does
Speaker 1: like AI Photo stuff and it's really incredible. So and
Speaker 1: if you look at their website, I mean this Bending Spoons,
Speaker 1: they do things in a very like nice beautiful way,
Speaker 1: almost like an apple way. And so I think, you know,
Speaker 1: I think that the thing that has kept me from
Speaker 1: wanting to continue and ever know is just how it
Speaker 1: keeps getting more and more expensive every year. And so now,
Speaker 1: like I said, it's up to like one hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty bucks a year, which you know, I guess is fine,
Speaker 1: But I also think that it got a little bloated
Speaker 1: in the.
Speaker 2: Past couple of years.
Speaker 1: And I'm hoping that Bending Spoons kind of rewrites it
Speaker 1: and makes it faster and smoother. But I think for
Speaker 1: now it's probably if you've got fifteen years of stuff
Speaker 1: in there, obviously make a backup, you know, export your
Speaker 1: data and keep it. But you know, just you don't
Speaker 1: have to stop using it overnight, you know.
Speaker 17: Okay, all right, well I appreciate all right, good question,
Speaker 17: K see, thanks so much. Oh look at that coming
Speaker 17: up next, Johnny Jet Travel Expert going to talk about
Speaker 17: the travel scam you need to know about plus international travel.
Speaker 1: It's gonna give us some tips and tricks. You are
Speaker 1: listening to rich on Tech. Oh, welcome back to rich
Speaker 1: On Tech. Rich Demiro partying with you on this weekend.
Speaker 1: Hopefully you're having a great day. Great guest you may
Speaker 1: you may know the name Johnny Jet. Just came back
Speaker 1: from lots of travel. Johnny Jet's going to talk to
Speaker 1: us about some high tech travel scams, the one you
Speaker 1: need to be aware of, and just all kinds of
Speaker 1: travel goodies.
Speaker 2: Johnny, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Hey, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2: Can I call you Johnny or is it always Johnny Jett?
Speaker 3: Just Johnny Jet.
Speaker 2: I'm kidding, so welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: I can't believe it took me six months to get
Speaker 1: you on. Yeah too, you know, but thanks for being here.
Speaker 1: And so where did you go? You've you were on
Speaker 1: a whirlwind of travel. I know, you know, it's like
Speaker 1: it went from zero to like one hundred definitely.
Speaker 18: I mean during the pandemic, I was so cautious, too cautious.
Speaker 18: But you know, back out I just came back from
Speaker 18: I was in seven countries in the last five weeks.
Speaker 18: I took my two kids, three and six years old.
Speaker 18: My wife and I are on the plane from Toronto
Speaker 18: to Spain. We're like, what are we thinking? Yeah, but
Speaker 18: it turned out to be one of the best trips
Speaker 18: of our lives. And yeah, Europe is crowded, it's hot,
Speaker 18: but it is memorable.
Speaker 2: So well, I've said this on the show.
Speaker 1: I went to Italy last year with my wife on
Speaker 1: a she had a work trip and I just kind
Speaker 1: of tagged along for four days. It was kind of like,
Speaker 1: we Hemden Hall, like should we do it? It's a
Speaker 1: lot of money, this and that. And I'm not kidding.
Speaker 1: I have not ever gone a day in the past
Speaker 1: year without thinking of that trip because it was so incredible.
Speaker 2: So when in doubt, go.
Speaker 18: Right, definitely. I mean time is now. I mean, we
Speaker 18: know what it's like to be locked up and you
Speaker 18: can't go. So I think that's why Europe is so inundated,
Speaker 18: and I think the rest of the world too.
Speaker 2: And the and the prices.
Speaker 1: That's the only thing that I really take issue with
Speaker 1: is the price of travel right now is just through
Speaker 1: the roof. And I totally understand if you're if you're
Speaker 1: sitting there thinking like rich, it's so expensive right now
Speaker 1: and I get it. It is and believe me, I've
Speaker 1: paid these prices where I'm like, this is kind of
Speaker 1: not cool, but what are you gonna do. It's just
Speaker 1: the going rate right now because it is in demand.
Speaker 1: So but people had some savings too from the pandemic.
Speaker 1: Like we had like our little travel fund. It was
Speaker 1: like it was well funded because we were like, well,
Speaker 1: we can't use it right now.
Speaker 18: Anyway, there are ways around, which we can talk about
Speaker 18: another time, but there are ways around to travel without
Speaker 18: spending a lot of money.
Speaker 1: So Okay, we're gonna we'll dive into that in another show.
Speaker 1: But let's get through some of these things Johnny Jet,
Speaker 1: because I want to. Let's first talk about this Twitter.
Speaker 1: This Twitter user that discovered scam numbers listed for airlines.
Speaker 1: So basically, his flight was canceled. He called a number
Speaker 1: that he googled, and what happened.
Speaker 18: Well, he was in New York's JFK Airport, but he
Speaker 18: did he googled Delta Airlines JFK airport number, which I mean,
Speaker 18: I mean, how how's Google You're gonna monitor this stuff
Speaker 18: when you're just searching like a specific airport like JFK
Speaker 18: airport phone number. Yeah, you're bound to get a scam number,
Speaker 18: and sure enough it did. And it's not just Delta.
Speaker 18: By the way he looked up. He did screenshots of
Speaker 18: all the airlines. You know, if you're gonna look up
Speaker 18: a phone number, don't put in a specific airport like that.
Speaker 18: And you don't I don't know if you really want
Speaker 18: to trust Delta or Google anyway, Yeah, go to make
Speaker 18: sure an eight hundred number. It's got to be an
Speaker 18: eight hundred number. And you know somewherelines like Frontier don't
Speaker 18: even have front phone numbers. Really, Yeah, I would go
Speaker 18: directly to their website and look for it that way
Speaker 18: instead of doing a Google search.
Speaker 3: But if you're going to do a Google search, just
Speaker 3: to make sure it's just a generic one, not specific.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I tried searching like just Delta, and it did
Speaker 1: come up like up at the top like on a
Speaker 1: you know how Google like surfaces like little bits of
Speaker 1: data at the top, you know, without clicking, And that's
Speaker 1: what came up like and it did seem to be
Speaker 1: the right phone number. But the problem with googling phone
Speaker 1: umb vers is that these scam artists know that people
Speaker 1: are doing this, and so of course they prey upon that.
Speaker 1: So when in doubt, go to the website and you know,
Speaker 1: just find the phone number on the website. A lot
Speaker 1: of times it's hidden because they want you to use
Speaker 1: the chat functionality or they want you to use you know,
Speaker 1: email or whatever.
Speaker 2: But you know, go to the website, go to the app.
Speaker 18: And he went back and forth with them. Yeah, and
Speaker 18: you know they're trying to get his money. You're trying
Speaker 18: to get his debit card. Never use a debit card,
Speaker 18: always pay with a credit card. There's little there's obviously
Speaker 18: some red flags, and you know, savvy travelers like I
Speaker 18: think most of your listeners know not the fall form.
Speaker 18: But you know, when you're desperate and you're in a
Speaker 18: hurry and you're in a pinch trying to get on
Speaker 18: the next flight, you know, you're vulnerable.
Speaker 3: And that's what they that's what they pray on.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I'm looking at your Johnny Jet dot com Twelve
Speaker 1: things I learned from traveling to Europe, And you mentioned
Speaker 1: the taxi app that a friend told me about when
Speaker 1: I went to Italy. I just assumed, yeah, I just
Speaker 1: assumed you'd use Uber, which they had a big advertisement
Speaker 1: in the airport.
Speaker 2: But apparently everyone uses this app. Tell me about it.
Speaker 18: Well, you don't want to use Uber in Italy because
Speaker 18: you can only use black cars and they're about five
Speaker 18: times more expensive than getting a regular taxi. So use
Speaker 18: this free now. It runs just like Uber. You put
Speaker 18: your credit card info in, you order it the same way.
Speaker 18: And what's nice about it is you know, first of all,
Speaker 18: you don't have to worry about any translation, you just
Speaker 18: put in your destination. You don't have to talk to
Speaker 18: the driver, although obviously it's great too. And also when
Speaker 18: you get out of the car, you know there's no
Speaker 18: money being transferred, it's just they take it from your
Speaker 18: credit card. And also what I like about it is
Speaker 18: it keeps the taxi drivers honest, which.
Speaker 3: I mean I think a lot of them are.
Speaker 18: But you know, when you're paying by cash, they can
Speaker 18: take you the long way, but this way they're not
Speaker 18: going to take you the long way. And so definitely, Yeah,
Speaker 18: a lot of my local friends say they use it
Speaker 18: all the time, but just be warned that, especially in
Speaker 18: Rome and in Florence area, it is difficult to get
Speaker 18: a taxi or even a car service.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, And I mean I.
Speaker 18: Almost smissed my train from Rome to Naples because I
Speaker 18: was cutting it short and I could not get when
Speaker 18: I had the hotel helping me. And then when I
Speaker 18: got off, I got took a Princess Cruise for seven days,
Speaker 18: and then my taxi driver canceled the night before to
Speaker 18: get a ride from the.
Speaker 3: Port to Rome.
Speaker 18: It was like pigeons at the beach trying to get
Speaker 18: a bag of Potata chips. Everyone, all the passengers who
Speaker 18: did not pre order were just trying scrambling to try
Speaker 18: and get it because it was hot out.
Speaker 1: That works in the US too. By the way, the
Speaker 1: pre order you can do that with Uber and I've
Speaker 1: done it. But here's the thing I've noticed that when
Speaker 1: you pre order, because it obviously takes a little bit
Speaker 1: of the pressure off, right because you're gonna have a
Speaker 1: ride in the morning when you wake up, it's more
Speaker 1: expensive to pre order because they know that, they know
Speaker 1: that you know you're getting something in return, which is
Speaker 1: peace of mind. So it may be cheaper to do
Speaker 1: it on demand, but it's you know, then you got
Speaker 1: to you're taking your chances.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 18: I think the flat rate between Chibetechia the Port to Rome,
Speaker 18: which is just over an hour, as one hundred and
Speaker 18: twenty euros.
Speaker 3: I paid three hundred and fifty euros.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 18: All the drivers are just canceling on people because this
Speaker 18: is their time to make some money.
Speaker 3: I mean, they're making up for the pandemic.
Speaker 1: What did you, I mean, what did you think of
Speaker 1: Google Translate? You downloaded that? You think it's better than
Speaker 1: the Apple one built into the iPhone or what?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, I like it.
Speaker 18: You know, I only had one or two drivers that
Speaker 18: did not speak English, so I used it and we
Speaker 18: had no problem. I Also, what I like about the
Speaker 18: Google Translate is, you know, if you're in a real
Speaker 18: Italian restaurant where it's not a tourist section and the
Speaker 18: menus in Italian or whatever language, whatever country you're in,
Speaker 18: you can just hit the camera icon and it translated
Speaker 18: for you, which is brilliant. And you know, that makes
Speaker 18: a big difference, because again, when you travel, you don't
Speaker 18: really want to go to these touristy restaurants that cater
Speaker 18: to Americans. The food is not that good and it's overpriced.
Speaker 18: Try and go where the locals go, but it's going
Speaker 18: to be in the local language.
Speaker 3: The menu.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the best restaurant I went to in Rome was
Speaker 1: recommended by a local and it was. It was incredible
Speaker 1: and it was super local. Uh okay, the e SIM
Speaker 1: so the the service is always an issue overseas. You know,
Speaker 1: people don't want to pay theyn't want to you know,
Speaker 1: pay for a ton of extra roaming data and stuff.
Speaker 2: What do you use?
Speaker 18: Well, I would call your provider first, find out if
Speaker 18: they have an international plan.
Speaker 3: I have T Mobile. They do a great job, although
Speaker 3: it could be it.
Speaker 18: Could be slow once in a while. So one of
Speaker 18: my buddies who owns cilly Are abroad is like, listen,
Speaker 18: use this company. You biggie U b I g I
Speaker 18: dot com And uh, you know, because I've an I
Speaker 18: have an e SIM in my phone. You just sign up.
Speaker 18: It literally took less than five minutes. So I had
Speaker 18: a second line that I could toggle between if I
Speaker 18: needed to, I could just leave them both going and
Speaker 18: that pay for all my data. I actually paid fourteen
Speaker 18: dollars worth of ten gigabytes and it was way too much.
Speaker 18: I only use one gigabyte. So, and they have plans
Speaker 18: all around the world. It's not just Italy, it's they
Speaker 18: can do it Europe, you can do it in North America, Asia, wherever,
Speaker 18: And there's a lot of companies out there. So if
Speaker 18: you're going to in one country, like if you're gonna
Speaker 18: be in France, you might just want to use Orange.
Speaker 18: If you're going to be in Italy, you might just
Speaker 18: want to use TIM. You can go to their stores.
Speaker 18: But it's nice to have an eSIM. If you don't
Speaker 18: have a newer phone, then you can look looking too
Speaker 18: getting your phone unlocked if it's not already, and just
Speaker 18: you know, switching SIM cards, but that's kind of a.
Speaker 1: Pain, yeah, the switching sims. And most of the American
Speaker 1: phones do not have dual SIM functionality. Some of the
Speaker 1: international ones do, with the American ones don't, and so
Speaker 1: you would literally have to take out your SIM card
Speaker 1: and put in the other SIM card, which is kind
Speaker 1: of annoying. So if you have an eSIM, you can
Speaker 1: have both of them at the same time, which is
Speaker 1: nice because you can activate Wi Fi calling and texting
Speaker 1: on your regular line from like Verizon or AT and T,
Speaker 1: turn off roaming, and still get those calls and texts,
Speaker 1: but then for all your data in that foreign country,
Speaker 1: you can use the eSIM all right, now, this was
Speaker 1: a new one. You said, have a four digit pin
Speaker 1: for your credit card.
Speaker 2: Tell me about that.
Speaker 18: Yeah, Well, we were in Germany and trying to get
Speaker 18: a train to downtown Munich from the airport, and the
Speaker 18: train was there and I'm just scrambling. I wouldn't take
Speaker 18: my credit card because it says you need a four
Speaker 18: digit pin.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't think.
Speaker 18: I ever set this up, and if I did, I
Speaker 18: definitely don't remember my pin. So anyway, I ended up
Speaker 18: using my ATM card, which I had to go into
Speaker 18: my app, unlock it and then use it. And that's
Speaker 18: the way I bought my card, because there's no man
Speaker 18: booth or anything. There was just you know, it's all machines.
Speaker 18: So make sure that you know your four digit pin
Speaker 18: for your credit card and create one if not, and
Speaker 18: make sure it's four digits not six digits, because you
Speaker 18: have a problems. And it's nice to have two different
Speaker 18: credit cards just in case one doesn't work, because there's
Speaker 18: a lot of you know, a lot of these unmanned stations.
Speaker 1: And when I was in Tokyo last year, I'm not kidding.
Speaker 1: My card, my debit card was turned off the second
Speaker 1: I tried one transaction, and I had to sit on
Speaker 1: the phone my bank for a half an hour to
Speaker 1: try to get this thing reactivated. It was an incredibly
Speaker 1: horrific process. And so tell your company before you leave.
Speaker 1: I know, it seems weird that you still have to
Speaker 1: do that, because I figured in the year twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: why would you have to do that? Yeah, you still
Speaker 1: do some time. So went in doubt, call your bank,
Speaker 1: let them know you're traveling. All right, Finally I just
Speaker 1: got another minute here this ATM conversion. The ATM always
Speaker 1: says like, do you want to accept the conversion or decline?
Speaker 1: It's like a trick question. Tell me how to answer that.
Speaker 3: Protely trick. Always decline it. Pay in local currency.
Speaker 18: I first learned about this over a dozen years ago
Speaker 18: when I was shopping in Herod's in London and they
Speaker 18: swipe my credit card and they go, always like to
Speaker 18: pay in US dollars.
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, that's easy.
Speaker 18: Turns out they get a piece of the pie and
Speaker 18: it's not as good as a transfer rate. And so
Speaker 18: always pay in local currency. You just say nope, paying
Speaker 18: pounds or what if you're in Italy, say pay in euros?
Speaker 3: So deny it, okay, local currency.
Speaker 1: So just to be clear, you see accept conversion, decline conversion.
Speaker 1: You always say decline, and you never want to pay
Speaker 1: in US dollars. You want to pay in the local
Speaker 1: definitely the local currency.
Speaker 18: But contact your bank too and find out if they
Speaker 18: have any partners with ATM so you don't get hit
Speaker 18: with the you know, fees for using someone else's network.
Speaker 18: In that way, you can save some money and don't
Speaker 18: keep going to the ATM. You know, just go once
Speaker 18: in a while. So take out enough cash and you know,
Speaker 18: I pay everything with my with my phone or with
Speaker 18: my credit card.
Speaker 2: Okay, but here's my question. Here's my question.
Speaker 1: So one time I got I got stuck in Japan
Speaker 1: because I landed and my my ATM card didn't work
Speaker 1: to take out cash, which I typically take out some
Speaker 1: local cash, I couldn't and I couldn't get on the
Speaker 1: train because I needed that cash. They wouldn't take a card.
Speaker 1: So do you recommend in the airport before you leave
Speaker 1: converting some cash.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 18: I don't ever use those currency exchange booths. They rip
Speaker 18: you off. You know, if you're really nervous traveler, you
Speaker 18: can go to your bank, find out what the change
Speaker 18: fee is and do get some cash. For instances like that.
Speaker 18: But you know, I use a major bank. Once I land.
Speaker 18: You can use it in the at and the airport
Speaker 18: or go to you know, a repudal bank in the city.
Speaker 1: Right, And that was a while ago, by the way,
Speaker 1: Now it's been a lot better. When I first started
Speaker 1: going to Japan, it was a lot trickier, Like I
Speaker 1: had City Bank at the time, and I could only
Speaker 1: use their ATM. I couldn't use any local ATM except that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean now things have changed. It's gotten a lot.
Speaker 18: I've never had a problem in Japan, and I carried
Speaker 18: multiple credit cards. I have America Express Visa MasterCard just
Speaker 18: in case, but Visa MasterCard are accepted everywhere like they're commercial.
Speaker 2: All right, Johnny Jet, thanks so much for joining me today.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Hey, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: All right, Johnny Jet dot com. Twelve things I learned
Speaker 1: from traveling to Europe this summer. Also on the website
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