WEBVTT - The Trump Reckoning That Wasn’t 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.480 Native Lamppod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:12.200 Reason Choice Media. Welcome home, y'all. This is episode twelve, 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:16.360 counted twelve of Native Lamppod, where we break down all 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:18.520 of the news that we think is important for your 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:22.320 listening ears, everything politics, and a little bit of culture 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:29.840 sprinkled in between a lot of culture. We are your host, 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:34.479 Andrew Gillham. I'm here with my sisters Tiffany Cross in 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:41.480 the Angelo Rye. Welcome everybody to the week of reckoning 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:47.920 that maybe wasn't. We'll start this conversation on this day 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:51.320 welcoming all of you, our wonderful listening audience, by digging 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:55.760 a little deeper into what exactly is the state of 0:00:55.880 --> 0:01:00.480 the Trump trials. Yes, that's within s trials from New 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:04.400 York to Florida to Georgia back to the District of Columbia. 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:07.000 We'll try to bring up to speak with what we know. 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:10.040 This was the week that was supposed to be the reckoning, 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:12.200 and we'll let you be the judge of that ever 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:16.119 actually happened. From there, we'll travel across the country and 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:18.280 do a little bit more of a deep dive into 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:25.840 the nationwide anti DEEI diversity, equity, and inclusion, a war 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:28.320 that it seems to be going on in just about 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:33.200 every state in the Union. We'll hear what the proponents 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:36.440 of these initiatives have to say and have a little 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:38.959 discussion about what we think the real reason is for 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:44.200 the volume of pushback. After our deep dive, we'll have 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:50.440 a conversation about Haiti, located closer to Miami than Miami 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:53.560 is to New York, the island nation of Haiti has 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:56.880 been an upheaval over the last several months. We'll try 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:59.120 to figure out and parse what it is that you 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:03.320 need to know what's happen and Potter Prince and in 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:09.840 politics is everywhere, or maybe it's politics aren't everywhere. Instagram 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:13.920 has quietly started a limit on political social media, so 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:16.040 I'm not even sure if y'all are seeing us right now. 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:19.320 You'll get the host and cost take on what that's 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:22.880 all about. Stick around. At the end of the episode, 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:26.680 we'll talk about our respective calls to action that we 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:29.079 hope that each of you will join us in. All right, 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:35.320 so let's get started, y'all. I hear Tiff that you're 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:40.120 breaking it down over there in Atlanta, Agela over in 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:43.519 our favorite west coast city, Los Angeles. 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:45.679 My favorite West coast city Seattle. 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:50.959 You're confused, Are you in Seattle? You'll thinks, say, La, Well. 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:53.639 That's not my problem. My favorite west coast city. I'm 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:55.000 fact checking you. It's Seattle. 0:02:55.480 --> 0:03:01.079 Thanks, all things above understood to opany all day, Oral 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:03.359 fourth and I heard you had a great, great, great 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:08.040 working day yesterday. Uh, and that you've been lightening it 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:10.480 up in Atlanta. You're doing all right over there, I am. 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:10.840 You know. 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:13.400 It's good to be back in the South. It's nice. 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:13.840 You know. 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:16.000 I'm used to like speaking to people when you walk 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:18.840 past them, and I still do that even in DC 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:21.880 and New York. I give that nod that y'all know 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:24.400 that we give, and then the nod to everybody. It's 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:26.720 nice to be in the South. So yes, and happy 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:28.520 to be in community with you guys. But I have 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:30.360 to say, like I say all the time, I think 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:33.600 it's very different when we're together in person. So I 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:35.200 love seeing you guys in person. 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:38.360 Infection, Well, this may be something that we can commune 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:41.960 on together, y'all. Tiff tell me, folks want to know 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:45.200 what the heck is going on in trump Land? The 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:47.760 reckoning that. 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:52.200 Was that wasn't as you said, Andrew. Okay, I'm gonna 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:56.360 try to walk us through this. Angela, our resident attorney, 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:59.400 I hope will correct me if I say something incorrect. 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:07.040 So my understanding is on Monday the twenty fourth, I believe, 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:10.920 or the twenty fifth, and appeals Court reduced the bond 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:15.320 for Trump's fraud trial. That you guys know he didn't 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:18.760 have this money and state Attorney General, New York State 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:22.440 Attorney General was prepared to seize his assets, and so 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:27.440 this appeals court reduced the bond from four hundred and 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:31.400 fifty four million to one hundred and seventy five million 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:35.599 of parentheses. I want to ask Angela house Sleagh, like, 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:40.880 how does that happen? He has ten additional days to 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:44.480 secure the bond money which will allow him to appeal 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:47.279 the ruling and the size of the fine. The ruling 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:49.400 and the seas of the fine. He has ten days 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:52.080 to come up with that hiss. James has previously said 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:56.000 she is prepared to start seizing his assets and his 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:59.400 property should he be unable to pay. So, to be 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:01.200 honest with you, all, I thought on Monday we were 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:04.320 going to see his sit out on the front lawn 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:07.919 like as an eviction, like you got to go. I 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:10.320 didn't understand how it was all going to go. Now. 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:13.920 Trump does have more court cases in progress, as everybody knows. 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:16.400 This week he got a trial date for the hush 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:21.159 money case, which is of course his trial with Stormy Daniels, 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:24.640 and that starts April fifteenth. For those who may not remember, 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:29.159 Stormy Daniels was the adult film star that he tried 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:32.919 to get his attorney to buy her silence essentially some 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:37.000 of his eighty eight criminal charges. So we're still awaiting 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:39.800 trial dates for the federal election interference case which is 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:42.960 out of Georgia, which we've talked about with Fannie Willith, 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:48.400 the election ference case federal, which is course is about 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:53.680 January sixth, and the mishandling of the classified documents case. 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:56.880 So before we move on, we really love you guys 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:59.320 asking your questions. We want to keep encouraging you to 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:01.960 do that, and you all determine our topics a lot 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:04.480 of times because we have a question from a viewer 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:07.240 who is seeing us up perfectly. So let's hear that 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:08.000 listener question. 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:10.719 Hey, what's up Native Land pod? This is a guy 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:16.440 Ti ty McIntosh in Orlando, Florida. I'm originally from Miami, Florida, though, 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:19.040 and so a special shout out to my homeboy, mister 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:22.600 Andrew Gillim grew up in the Richmond Heights neighborhood. Man, 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:24.760 I grew up in Parian, the next neighborhood over. And 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.320 actually remember your dad that used to sell flowers out 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:29.960 on one hundred and seventeenth AF But that's a whole 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:32.200 other thing. I really wanted to ask you guys a 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:36.920 question of regarding the Donald Trump civil case in New York, 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:40.599 and I was really wondering why it was a civil 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:43.440 case that was filed in not criminal charges that were 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:47.280 filed against him. That tex fraud is not a criminal 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:49.279 issue in the state of New York. Was there a 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:52.920 statute of limitations at play? What exactly was going on there? 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.000 Maybe you could shed some light on that and help 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:57.360 folks like me better understand that issue. 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:00.840 Thanks a lot, Thank you, toy with the time. Well, 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:03.880 first of all, shout out real quick to Paran. I 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:07.680 was a neighboring a neighborhood to the neighborhood. I grew 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:10.480 up in the heights, and yes, my daddy on the 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:16.960 weekends would sell flowers in this intersection across the street 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:21.280 from a cemetery that was located there, and I would 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:25.600 on some weekends go down and pitch a little umbrella 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:28.920 and help my daddy out selling flowers. That was a 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:31.200 nice memory. My father passed the year after I ran 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:35.040 for governor, so I was a nice conjuring of memory there. 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:36.200 I appreciate it to I love. 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:40.680 That, Angela. I feel like our resident attorney. I have 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:42.760 so many questions for you, but you should probably get 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:43.880 to the viewer question first. 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:46.200 I want to start by saying thank you to Ty. 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:49.240 We always appreciate hearing from our listeners. We continue to 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:52.000 invite you all to share your comments and your questions 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:54.120 every week. Ty, you know I would like to know 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:56.440 the same thing. Why the hell didn't he face a 0:07:56.560 --> 0:08:01.880 tax fraud case as well, especially federal We've seen report 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:04.440 after report of the of the either the limited or 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:07.520 no tax that Donald Trump paid, even before he gave 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:12.400 rich people a very nice tax break, He's been hustling. 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:13.560 He's been a hustler on the go. 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:17.080 He's not just invoked white privilege, but he also embodies 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:20.760 why they call him teflon don I don't understand it 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:24.720 for the life of me. And of course, now with 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.880 all of the cases, all the charges that are pending, 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:30.320 the thing that is most alarming is we've talked about 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:34.679 on this podcast is the fact that Donald Trump has 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:40.160 a really important case before the Supreme Court on presidential immunity, 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:43.640 and if that case is decided in his favor, not 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:49.200 only will he not face federal charges for the election 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:52.920 interference case, he likely won't face any charges. So there 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:57.040 are eighty eight pending charges. Trial with Alvin Braggs scheduled 0:08:57.080 --> 0:09:00.640 to begin, as Tiff has already noted, but we are 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:05.400 all waiting with beta breath to see what really happens. 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:08.920 But these charges are are the trials are slated to 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:12.319 go forward. In reference to these charges, I think even 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:15.640 Fulton County has some hearings that are coming up, so 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:18.560 we shall see. But nothing on tax You all know 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:20.439 that this is the time where I am, of course 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:24.559 going to raise the hypocrisy here. We've seen people who've 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:29.160 been accused of far less, indicted for far less. Namely 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:31.760 I'm thinking about Marilyn Moseby as I continue to dig 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:35.680 into this case. It is absolutely insane. I don't know 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:39.880 why at all Donald Trump can get away with I 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:42.320 won't say murder, but it certainly seems like it. To 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:47.000 be indicted eighty eight times on multiple levels of government, 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:50.160 I think signifies something very serious. If that if he 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:52.400 were black, what we would be saying, we wouldn't even 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:55.239 be having this conversation. There wouldn't be a presidential immunity 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:58.200 case before the Supreme Court. So for you to be 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:02.200 able to utilize or access ninety five thousand dollars of 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:05.280 your own money and face forty years in prison, versus 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:09.040 you are raking people over the calls, your contractors, not 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:12.480 paying them, your taxes, evading them. You know you're you're 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:16.319 in a bill your property valuations. That is a form 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:19.400 of mortgage fraud. Donald Trump has done that with his 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:22.839 son time and time again and has faced nearly no consequence. 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:25.320 So I'm eager to see these trials get started and 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:28.000 see if justice becomes a system that serves all of us, 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:29.760 or for will it be just us we're the only 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:30.839 ones who are penalized. 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:34.040 I have a question, Angela, because I think what he 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:37.719 was asking was about civil versus criminals. So just for 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:42.400 our viewers, civil is about money. Criminal is about your 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:46.720 life and liberty. So who are the entities that decide 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:51.280 we are going to press civil charges, and like what 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:54.880 goes into that decision and who decide? I mean, I know, 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:58.439 I think prosecutors decide for the criminal charges. 0:10:59.040 --> 0:10:59.559 Is it this? 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:01.280 This might be a dumb question, but I really don't 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:04.160 know anybody about the law. Do prosecutors also make the 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:07.679 decision in a civil case? No, So a private citizen 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:08.640 has to bring that right. 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:11.800 It can be so civil cases aren't always about money. 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:14.720 They can be if there are damages involved. Sometimes it 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:17.880 can be about there was criminal activity. For example, I 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:20.280 have an open case right now with a former staffer 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:24.040 that is a civil case on embezzlement. Right, So you 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:28.280 can proceed with a civil lawsuit when someone was negligent 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:33.400 or reckless or caused you personal or physical harm. That 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.480 can be a civil action. But also a state's attorney 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:38.440 general can proceed with a civil action. 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:39.760 They consue you if. 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:41.959 They believe that there was a wrong done to this 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:45.280 state or to the people of that state. And then 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:48.640 also with criminal cases, it is normally a prosecutor can 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:51.440 be on the local, state, or federal level. But I 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:53.040 think that the main thing is to know that a 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:57.679 private citizen can sue someone that isn't normally a civil action, 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:00.920 and a state or a government is that he can 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:04.480 also pursue someone that can be civil or criminal. And 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:09.040 in this instance this he was referencing the Letitia James case, 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:12.280 But there are other open criminal matters they just have 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:13.800 not gone to trial yet. 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:16.520 And you're saying that a civil like charges can come 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:19.920 out of a civil case. It's not just about money. 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:22.439 They're not charges, but I'm saying that there it can 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:24.480 be about a wrong done to a person that is 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:26.720 not financial only. 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:29.840 So for example, it could be a property dispute. 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:33.560 It could be you know, someone was physically harmed and 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:36.520 as a result of that physical harm you can get 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:40.120 monetary damages or punitive damages. But it doesn't have to 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:42.240 just be a civil action about money. 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:45.400 But the remedy is never in a civil case. The 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:49.520 remedy is never jail time or correct a criminal record 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:54.520 because that doesn't accompany civil litigation. I use one example 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:59.400 of OJ Simpson where he may have been adjudicated non guilty, 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:03.720 you know, not guilty in the criminal proceeding, but the Goldman. 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:06.640 Uh uh found liable in the civil suits. 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:11.920 Simpson family bought civil uh Yeah, and you know some 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.280 say justice may have been had in some way there, 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:18.120 you know, keeping this man perpetually, you know, financially obligated 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:18.480 to pain. 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:22.960 What's the most likely to happen with Trump? This is 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.800 for either of you, like, will he likely be found 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:28.200 guilty in some of these civil cases or. 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:30.800 Even the language is a little different. 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:33.320 So even when a jury brings back a guilty verdict, 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:36.320 it means he's liable in a civil suit. On on 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:38.480 the criminal side, you found guilty, it means you you 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:39.640 have a criminal conviction. 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:43.120 There's a criminal charge on your on your record. 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:46.800 And I think that the the other thing that's important, 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:49.160 and this might be too in the weeds, but with 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:53.679 civil cases it's by a preponderance of the evidence and 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:57.720 and the the plaintiff has an obligation to prove that. 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:02.360 On the on the criminal side, it is the person 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:05.240 has to be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. So the 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:09.240 threshold for liability versus guilt or innocence is different in 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:12.559 each of those and proving that someone's guilty beyond a 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:15.240 reasonable doubt is the responsibility of the prosecution. 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:18.839 So the strongest case against Trump then. 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:22.280 So I think it's hard to parse and part because 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:26.240 I think the only reckoning we've seen, and again this week, 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:29.200 was supposed to be him having a pony up, you know, 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:32.400 a fraction of what he says he's worth, but then 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:35.400 the appellate court reduced that amount. The only reckoning we've 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:37.920 seen so far as it relates to Trump's misdeeds have 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:41.320 been in the civil courts, uh and the civil proceedings, 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:44.920 I should say, the criminal ones he has yet to 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:48.240 stand you know, his day in court on. And I 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:51.480 think that's part of what the viewer listener was getting to, 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:55.960 which is, if we know that he has violated criminal code, 0:14:56.560 --> 0:15:01.160 why didn't prosecutors determine to go after him criminally on 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:06.680 these cases? Either in the tax peace and the evaluations, 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:12.440 there was clearly there's a statute that the prosecutors could 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:14.960 have cited in pursuing him that way. I don't know 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:16.760 the answer to that. I don't think we right now 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:19.400 know the answer to why that decision was made. We 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.080 may never know the answer as to why that was made. 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:25.160 But the reckoning on that is clearly, you know, sort 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:29.600 of working its way through, and I'm kind of skeptical, frankly, 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:31.760 whether or not this man is going to outlawyer the 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:34.800 lawyers of the government and figure out a way not 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:37.640 to have to pay anything at the end of the day. 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:42.040 The criminal ones really concern me because this is a 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:46.640 matter of timing. We know that Trump is committed to 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:51.400 delaying the start of any of these criminal trials, criminal proceedings, 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:54.800 and I think he's betting on one thing to cover 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:58.800 all things, and that is one that he wins re election. 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:02.600 And if I had to offer a second, the second, 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:05.480 I think he's wagering that the Supreme Court will say 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:11.800 the president a sitting president cannot be prosecuted federally or 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:15.160 by the states. If we were dealing with another person, 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:18.960 Barack Obama, would it be fair for him, as a 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:24.680 sitting president to have an investigation and indictment come up 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:30.000 against him from the state of Alabama or Mississippi or 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:33.040 Texas a criminal indictment, I mean for some act that 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:35.240 they may have determined to be criminal and have him 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:39.480 prosecuted as a sitting president. And my guess is is 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:43.680 that the courts would not allow for a sitting president 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:48.640 to withstand prosecution while he is sitting in the seat 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.480 of president, either at the federal or the state level. 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:55.440 And I think that that's probably the math that Trump 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:58.200 is also working with that he says, look, if I 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:02.480 become president, the federal stuff, I can summarily dismiss, direct 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:06.000 the Attorney general to suspend with that, and in the 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:09.239 state charges, they can't pursue me while I'm president. And 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:13.080 so maybe there's a statue of limitations. Maybe it comes 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:15.440 back around that by the time they're able to pursue him, 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:17.800 they're not legally able, or they no longer have the 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:20.960 appetite to remember the judges elected in this case in 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:24.359 Georgia and the prosecutor is elected in the state of Georgia, 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:27.199 they may be different people by the time a you know, 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:31.600 second term president Trump, you know, was there, God forbid 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:34.600 that ever happened. But I think those are the odds 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:35.199 he's playing. 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:38.280 The one thing that I would also flag is that 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:44.160 if the Supreme Court can't rule that a sitting president 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:48.320 who is on the record as trying to find additional 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:52.200 votes is not worth hearing, like, there should be some 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:56.040 restrictions on presidential immunity. And I feel like when it 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:59.119 comes time to look at whether or not someone trying 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:02.840 to actually tear with democracy in a very real way, 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:05.920 like there should be some limitations on that. I think 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:09.280 the precedent that we have that I'm traumatized by is 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:13.840 Bush versus Gore in two thousand. They found themselves on 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:16.720 the wrong side of that mad then too. So I 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:19.600 just I don't have a lot of faith and hoping this, 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:22.000 especially the particular makeup of this court. 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:24.960 But I am I'm really concerned. 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:27.240 To me, it feels like the very obvious case is 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:31.040 the election interference case because of how egregious that was 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:33.399 and what the fallout from that with January sixth I 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:34.960 know there are a lot of people who aren't as 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:37.919 connected to people on the Hill who don't understand the 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:40.800 severity of that. But this is a really, really big 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:43.359 deal and I'm like been sounding the alarm on this. 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:46.240 I'm like losing sleep about this presidential immunity case and 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:48.240 where the Supreme Court rules in junior July. 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:51.760 Do you have a prediction, Angela on how they might rule. 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:54.720 Yeah, I think my prediction is my worst fear, which 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:56.800 is that it is a six ' to three decision, 0:18:57.160 --> 0:18:59.840 you know, deciding that Donald Trump does not have to 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:03.720 withstand trial and he does in fact have presidential immunity 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:05.680 on all of these cases and he gets to get 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:07.480 off Scott straight. 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:08.240 On party lines. 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:13.120 I think maybe maybe, maybe John Roberts, but I don't 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:15.000 have a lot of hope. I definitely ain't hoping for 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:16.800 Claire's Thomas. I wouldn't be surprised if he was right 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:19.760 there on them calls with Jenny Okay exactly. 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:19.640 I would. 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:21.879 I would submit, and I'm not I'm not a lawyer. 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:25.719 I think the court is going to be very narrow 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:30.440 and whatever decision they make, and I think is likely 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:33.399 going to be a decision that doesn't exonerate him from 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:36.320 the actions that he took even while as president. They 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:39.320 were not presidential actions. So his actions that he took 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:43.160 while being president is different than actions that he's taking 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:48.480 as the president of the United States toward a greater good, 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:50.840 greater end of the of the people of the country. 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:53.560 There's a distinction here, and I think the Court will 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:56.240 make that distinction. But I also think they are going 0:19:56.320 --> 0:20:00.439 to waste so much time in doing so that there 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:03.280 will not feasibly be time enough to try him on 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:06.359 any of those federal cases prior to the November election, 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:09.880 and thereby really giving him a free pass that means 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:12.720 he gets to compete in this presidential election, with with 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:16.560 no adjudicatory decisions having been made on the most critical 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:20.600 cases that we've all been seeing, witnessing, hearing about, and 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:26.359 that his reckoning comes only after and only assuming that 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:30.160 the appetite still exists at these various levels to continue 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:35.000 to pursue, uh, you know, these charges. But it's complicated, y'all. 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:37.400 But don't let it be so complicated that we tune out. 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:41.840 A lot is happening here. Just know this. The rules 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:44.840 of the game for Donald Trump is delays. His only 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:47.800 friend and I and I and I come down on 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:52.240 the side will deny as always his but his best 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:54.960 friend is to delay this so that it never comes 0:20:55.000 --> 0:21:00.639 before a decision of a jury prior to the election 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:06.960 of twenty twenty four November. Yeah. Wow, that's a lot, y'all. 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:08.479 I know, we got to talk about them. 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:11.280 Tiff said, Well, that's why we got a toss to 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:16.080 pay some bills. So we'll be back on the other 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:26.440 side of this. Stay tuned, everybody. So we're back, And 0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:30.480 I wish the topic was lighter coming off of that 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:35.800 Trump legal update. But Angela, Tiffany, we've all been making 0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:45.040 reference to these diversity, equity and inclusion programs, policies. Shoot, 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:49.120 if you're in my state, conversation about you've probably heard 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:53.320 it listeners in your respective communities as anti woke legislation 0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:58.000 or anti DEI programs, and all over the country. I 0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:03.560 think now in half the states, we've heard legislators and 0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:09.840 legislation that has stripped your respective state of any DEI 0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:15.880 protections programs, offices, laid folks off sumarily and unsummarily, and 0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:20.680 folks are just confused about what's going on. And so 0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:23.560 we thought it'd be a timely matter to have us 0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:26.480 do a little bit of a deeper dive on what's 0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:29.680 up with DEI. What's its standing? Is it still standing? 0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:32.359 Are we barely standing on one leg and a crutch? 0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:34.680 And so on and so forth. And we decided we 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:38.040 turned to Angela to give us the best readout on 0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:39.600 what's happening with DEI. 0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:41.119 Thanks Andrew. 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:43.359 So, I think the most important thing to note is 0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:47.760 that there are currently more than thirty bills across the 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:51.520 country that target diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives. If you 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:54.560 ask us, if you ask them, it's didn't earn it 0:22:54.720 --> 0:22:59.880