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Speaker 1: Native Lamppod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with

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Speaker 1: Reason Choice Media. Welcome home, y'all. This is episode twelve,

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Speaker 1: counted twelve of Native Lamppod, where we break down all

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Speaker 1: of the news that we think is important for your

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Speaker 1: listening ears, everything politics, and a little bit of culture

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Speaker 1: sprinkled in between a lot of culture. We are your host,

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Speaker 1: Andrew Gillham. I'm here with my sisters Tiffany Cross in

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Speaker 1: the Angelo Rye. Welcome everybody to the week of reckoning

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Speaker 1: that maybe wasn't. We'll start this conversation on this day

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Speaker 1: welcoming all of you, our wonderful listening audience, by digging

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Speaker 1: a little deeper into what exactly is the state of

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Speaker 1: the Trump trials. Yes, that's within s trials from New

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Speaker 1: York to Florida to Georgia back to the District of Columbia.

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Speaker 1: We'll try to bring up to speak with what we know.

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Speaker 1: This was the week that was supposed to be the reckoning,

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Speaker 1: and we'll let you be the judge of that ever

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Speaker 1: actually happened. From there, we'll travel across the country and

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Speaker 1: do a little bit more of a deep dive into

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Speaker 1: the nationwide anti DEEI diversity, equity, and inclusion, a war

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Speaker 1: that it seems to be going on in just about

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Speaker 1: every state in the Union. We'll hear what the proponents

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Speaker 1: of these initiatives have to say and have a little

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Speaker 1: discussion about what we think the real reason is for

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Speaker 1: the volume of pushback. After our deep dive, we'll have

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Speaker 1: a conversation about Haiti, located closer to Miami than Miami

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Speaker 1: is to New York, the island nation of Haiti has

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Speaker 1: been an upheaval over the last several months. We'll try

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Speaker 1: to figure out and parse what it is that you

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Speaker 1: need to know what's happen and Potter Prince and in

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Speaker 1: politics is everywhere, or maybe it's politics aren't everywhere. Instagram

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Speaker 1: has quietly started a limit on political social media, so

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Speaker 1: I'm not even sure if y'all are seeing us right now.

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Speaker 1: You'll get the host and cost take on what that's

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Speaker 1: all about. Stick around. At the end of the episode,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about our respective calls to action that we

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Speaker 1: hope that each of you will join us in. All right,

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Speaker 1: so let's get started, y'all. I hear Tiff that you're

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Speaker 1: breaking it down over there in Atlanta, Agela over in

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Speaker 1: our favorite west coast city, Los Angeles.

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Speaker 2: My favorite West coast city Seattle.

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Speaker 1: You're confused, Are you in Seattle? You'll thinks, say, La, Well.

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Speaker 3: That's not my problem. My favorite west coast city. I'm

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Speaker 3: fact checking you. It's Seattle.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, all things above understood to opany all day, Oral

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Speaker 1: fourth and I heard you had a great, great, great

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Speaker 1: working day yesterday. Uh, and that you've been lightening it

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Speaker 1: up in Atlanta. You're doing all right over there, I am.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 5: It's good to be back in the South. It's nice.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 5: I'm used to like speaking to people when you walk

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Speaker 5: past them, and I still do that even in DC

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Speaker 5: and New York. I give that nod that y'all know

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Speaker 5: that we give, and then the nod to everybody. It's

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Speaker 5: nice to be in the South. So yes, and happy

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Speaker 5: to be in community with you guys. But I have

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Speaker 5: to say, like I say all the time, I think

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Speaker 5: it's very different when we're together in person. So I

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Speaker 5: love seeing you guys in person.

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Speaker 1: Infection, Well, this may be something that we can commune

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Speaker 1: on together, y'all. Tiff tell me, folks want to know

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Speaker 1: what the heck is going on in trump Land? The

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Speaker 1: reckoning that.

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Speaker 5: Was that wasn't as you said, Andrew. Okay, I'm gonna

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Speaker 5: try to walk us through this. Angela, our resident attorney,

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Speaker 5: I hope will correct me if I say something incorrect.

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Speaker 5: So my understanding is on Monday the twenty fourth, I believe,

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Speaker 5: or the twenty fifth, and appeals Court reduced the bond

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Speaker 5: for Trump's fraud trial. That you guys know he didn't

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Speaker 5: have this money and state Attorney General, New York State

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Speaker 5: Attorney General was prepared to seize his assets, and so

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Speaker 5: this appeals court reduced the bond from four hundred and

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Speaker 5: of parentheses. I want to ask Angela house Sleagh, like,

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Speaker 5: how does that happen? He has ten additional days to

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Speaker 5: didn't understand how it was all going to go. Now.

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Speaker 5: Trump does have more court cases in progress, as everybody knows.

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Speaker 5: Stormy Daniels was the adult film star that he tried

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Speaker 5: trial dates for the federal election interference case which is

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Speaker 5: the election ference case federal, which is course is about

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Speaker 5: So before we move on, we really love you guys

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Speaker 5: asking your questions. We want to keep encouraging you to

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Speaker 5: of times because we have a question from a viewer

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Speaker 6: Hey, what's up Native Land pod? This is a guy

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Speaker 6: Ti ty McIntosh in Orlando, Florida. I'm originally from Miami, Florida, though,

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Speaker 6: and so a special shout out to my homeboy, mister

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Speaker 6: Andrew Gillim grew up in the Richmond Heights neighborhood. Man,

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Speaker 6: I grew up in Parian, the next neighborhood over. And

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Speaker 6: actually remember your dad that used to sell flowers out

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Speaker 6: on one hundred and seventeenth AF But that's a whole

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Speaker 6: other thing. I really wanted to ask you guys a

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Speaker 6: and I was really wondering why it was a civil

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Speaker 6: filed against him. That tex fraud is not a criminal

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Speaker 6: issue in the state of New York. Was there a

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Speaker 6: statute of limitations at play? What exactly was going on there?

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Speaker 6: Maybe you could shed some light on that and help

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Speaker 6: folks like me better understand that issue.

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Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, Thank you, toy with the time. Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, shout out real quick to Paran. I

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Speaker 5: That, Angela. I feel like our resident attorney. I have

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Speaker 5: so many questions for you, but you should probably get

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Speaker 3: I want to start by saying thank you to Ty.

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Speaker 3: We always appreciate hearing from our listeners. We continue to

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Speaker 3: invite you all to share your comments and your questions

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Speaker 3: every week. Ty, you know I would like to know

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Speaker 3: the same thing. Why the hell didn't he face a

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Speaker 3: tax fraud case as well, especially federal We've seen report

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Speaker 3: no tax that Donald Trump paid, even before he gave

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Speaker 3: rich people a very nice tax break, He's been hustling.

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Speaker 2: He's been a hustler on the go.

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Speaker 3: He's not just invoked white privilege, but he also embodies

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Speaker 3: why they call him teflon don I don't understand it

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Speaker 3: But these charges are are the trials are slated to

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Speaker 3: going to raise the hypocrisy here. We've seen people who've

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Speaker 3: why at all Donald Trump can get away with I

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Speaker 3: won't say murder, but it certainly seems like it. To

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Speaker 5: goes into that decision and who decide? I mean, I know,

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Speaker 5: I think prosecutors decide for the criminal charges.

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Speaker 5: This might be a dumb question, but I really don't

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Speaker 5: know anybody about the law. Do prosecutors also make the

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Speaker 3: It can be so civil cases aren't always about money.

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Speaker 3: that is a civil case on embezzlement. Right, So you

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Speaker 3: They believe that there was a wrong done to this

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Speaker 5: And you're saying that a civil like charges can come

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Speaker 1: A lot is happening here. Just know this. The rules

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Speaker 3: N word. They no longer have to say that because

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Speaker 3: they can call us what they mean by calling it DEI.

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Speaker 3: Do you all know that one of the things that

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Speaker 3: got the most traction last week in our podcast Conversation

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Speaker 3: online was DEI. We have young black folks saying things

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Speaker 3: now like I don't need a handout. I'm sorry, it's

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Speaker 3: not a handout for you to get what you deserve.

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Speaker 3: The thing that is the most troubling about a lot

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Speaker 3: of this legislation, and we can actually throw to a

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Speaker 3: clip in Alabama. But the thing that's the most troubling

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Speaker 3: about this legislation is that they are billing it as

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Speaker 3: a way to make sure they level the playing field.

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Speaker 3: The playing field ain't been level for four hundred plus years.

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Speaker 3: You have never given us what we deserve. You've never

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Speaker 3: given us what we earned. We are supposed to be here,

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Speaker 3: and that means making sure that you don't get the handout.

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Speaker 3: So I do want to go to this Alabama clip

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Speaker 3: really quer so we can hear how these things are

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Speaker 3: talked about on both sides of the aisle and reported

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Speaker 3: on Let's take a listen today.

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Speaker 1: The state of Alabama committed sin.

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Speaker 7: The passing of s B one twenty nine has caused

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Speaker 7: controversy among Alabama lawmakers. The bill will ban topics that

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Speaker 7: will be considered divisive concepts or discussions that will make

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Speaker 7: a group of people feel bad about their identity. Republicans

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Speaker 7: supporting the bill say, everyone, no matter what race, sexual orientation,

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Speaker 7: or other identity backgrounds, are already seen as equal.

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Speaker 6: I think the main thing is to make sure that

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Speaker 6: everybody regardless of race.

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Speaker 1: Is I will be on the plane level fail.

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Speaker 7: People who oppose this bill fear that there will be

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Speaker 7: some negative consequences that could affect Alabama's ability to recruit

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Speaker 7: students at its public colleges and universities.

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Speaker 3: Child, now here's what we holl Well, you know, I

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Speaker 3: want you guys to weigh in and then I'll go

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Speaker 3: to what my highest.

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Speaker 2: Hope is on this particular topic. But I would love

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Speaker 2: for y'all to weigh in.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I'll just pick up with the I

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Speaker 1: guess the legislator left off in the description of the

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Speaker 1: bill as being being instruction of anything that might cause

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Speaker 1: people to feel offended about themselves or their cultures. And

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Speaker 1: of course, this resembles very much what Florida Governor Rohnda

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Speaker 1: Santis and his Republican acolytes in the legislature past when

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Speaker 1: they passed their anti Woke legislation, which basically said, in

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Speaker 1: addition to stripping all of these programs of their funding

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Speaker 1: and resources and decommitting the state from its commitment to diversity,

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Speaker 1: is it said you can't teach a history, you can't

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Speaker 1: have a book in the school library or any other

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Speaker 1: public face of which our tax dollars go to pay

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Speaker 1: for if a reader might find the contents of it

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Speaker 1: degrading to themselves or their heritage, And I just this

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Speaker 1: is it's so to me emblematic of really the point

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Speaker 1: around why we have to put emphasis on what's different

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Speaker 1: and what we don't or ties on a regular basis

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Speaker 1: is that their umbrage comes at hearing a history that

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Speaker 1: is dehumanizing or leads to them feeling bad. But at

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Speaker 1: no point considered what part of the history that was

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Speaker 1: already under instruction that caused us to shrink in our

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Speaker 1: seats as students every single day we had to show up,

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Speaker 1: So forget how I feel, don't consider what makes me

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Speaker 1: feel degraded or dehumanized or unseen. But the moment it

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Speaker 1: creeps up your street, it's a major offense. The reason

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Speaker 1: why I say this is emblematic of why we need

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Speaker 1: programs that emphasize what's different and allows what's different just

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Speaker 1: in the door, because we're not talking about anybody's qualifications

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Speaker 1: for entry. We're simply talking about the makeup of the

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Speaker 1: room of equally qualified people. Everybody qualified. Let's deal with

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Speaker 1: that first. Now that we settle that question, everybody meets

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Speaker 1: the threshold. Now, what is going to enrich this threshold

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Speaker 1: in such a way this group, this community in such

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Speaker 1: a way that they are now taught to think differently,

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Speaker 1: to experience the world through another pair of eyes. Because

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Speaker 1: if you're going to be my future leaders, I want

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Speaker 1: to know that you have the capability of being able

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Speaker 1: to look at a situation and analyze that situation through

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Speaker 1: a set of eyes that are not dismissive and dysphoric

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Speaker 1: of everybody else's experiences except your own part of the

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Speaker 1: I don't even want to go down that road. I

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Speaker 1: simply want to say, I'm going to I'm going to

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Speaker 1: submit that there are a lot of people out here

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Speaker 1: who don't who are who are perpetrating racist acts and

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Speaker 1: biased activities unconscious of their of themselves. Give you an example,

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Speaker 1: my wife R Jay patronizes a number of these custom

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Speaker 1: places where they put logos and your name, you know,

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Speaker 1: your monograms and stuff on things, and she had a

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Speaker 1: comment to them about the fact that we shop her

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Speaker 1: often and they're never during the holiday season, any black

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Speaker 1: Santas or any black Santas on the face of the

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Speaker 1: cloths or the towels or this or that, and this

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Speaker 1: is the owner of a woman who she's become very

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Speaker 1: close to, and Almo says, I just had not thought

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Speaker 1: about that. And when she the next year had got

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Speaker 1: in this big old stock of diverse santas, black, brown,

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Speaker 1: and everything in between, was so excited to reach out

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Speaker 1: to my wife to say, this year we made an

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Speaker 1: intentional effort at trying to find santas that we're doing so.

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Speaker 1: So we didn't go off and be like, this is

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Speaker 1: a racist woman who commssed racist acts and doesn't care

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Speaker 1: about diversity. We simply said, your walk in life just

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Speaker 1: hasn't caused you to think about how I might experience

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Speaker 1: this shopping venture when I don't see myself and my

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Speaker 1: family and my whatever reflected, And so they took corrective action.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying, I'm not giving legislators that saying benefit

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Speaker 1: of the doubt. Many of them are taking these actions

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Speaker 1: to be inflammatory. Don't mistake the intention here. I'm simply saying,

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Speaker 1: that's why having different people in the place matters, right,

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Speaker 1: because we experience it differently and it all matters. It

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Speaker 1: all matters. So these folks are crying wolf because we're

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Speaker 1: not traveling up their street, but they've been traveling up hours,

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Speaker 1: over our neighborhoods, over our states, over our everything, and

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Speaker 1: haven't had to think twice about it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I would just say diversity, equity, and inclusion

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Speaker 5: efforts are necessary everywhere, in both the public and the

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Speaker 5: private sectors. I think the example you just gave Andrew

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Speaker 5: is so great because people get very tight in their

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Speaker 5: feelings when they feel like you're calling them a racist

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Speaker 5: when and what you said is this woman said, I

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Speaker 5: just had not simply considered your perspective in life. I

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Speaker 5: think for a lot of black people in this country,

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Speaker 5: we've never had the option or privilege to not consider

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Speaker 5: the master narrator's perspective on everything. We've always had to

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Speaker 5: consider how white people feel and navigate ourselves accordingly, not

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Speaker 5: out of deference, but out of survival. And so now

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Speaker 5: that we're looking at diversity, equity, and inclusion, the popular

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Speaker 5: phrase that goes along with it is diversity is being

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Speaker 5: invited to the dance, inclusion is being asked to dance.

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Speaker 5: I think, to put equity in its perspective, it's different

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Speaker 5: than equality. It's equity. So equity is saying, if Angela

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Speaker 5: and I live together and Angela has one hundred millillion

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Speaker 5: dollars in the bank, and I have ten dollars in

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Speaker 5: the bank, and Angela says, well, let's plit the rent evenly.

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Speaker 5: That's that's equal. It's not equitable. And so if I

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Speaker 5: say no, I want to spend a dollar and Angela

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Speaker 5: because she makes and this is true, Angela makes five

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Speaker 5: hundred million dollars a year.

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Speaker 2: Trying to get me robbed, that's a lie from the

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Speaker 2: pit of hill.

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Speaker 1: Put another way, it's equal being giving everybody the same thing,

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Speaker 1: and equitable being giving everybody what they need right access.

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Speaker 5: That's the equity piece.

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Speaker 2: But isn't that the part?

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Speaker 3: Like I think, really quick, like just a really quick

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Speaker 3: glimpse at this, this didn't earn it thing is really

581
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Speaker 3: pissing me off. And the reason it's really pissing me

582
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Speaker 3: off is because if there was ever a group of

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Speaker 3: people in this country who didn't effen earn it it,

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Speaker 3: it's like white men. So if we look at this quickly,

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Speaker 3: can y'all just tell me who you think benefits more

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Speaker 3: from legacy admissions?

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Speaker 2: Is it white folks or black and brown folks?

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Speaker 5: What do you think white people?

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Speaker 2: Okay, if we say.

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Speaker 1: Those who have historically attended college.

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Speaker 3: Okay, weportionate, just a quick just a quick answer here.

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Speaker 3: Trust funds, white men? Yeah, okay, what about will money?

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Speaker 3: Your your people leave you some money in a will.

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Speaker 3: Who's more likely to benefit Who's more likely to have

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Speaker 3: a goddamn will?

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Speaker 5: Well, my will for my grandmother was the money's under

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Speaker 5: the mattress. Okay, that's what a lot of our trust

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Speaker 5: funds are.

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Speaker 1: Mine is I got enough to pay for the right bear.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: But but I'm saying, like, who's more likely to break

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Speaker 3: out really well with will money?

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Speaker 2: Money from the will? From an estate plan? Okay? What

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Speaker 2: about a mortgage loan?

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Speaker 3: There have been suit after suit about the ways in

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Speaker 3: which banks are not even giving us access to loans

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Speaker 3: for homes.

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Speaker 2: What about that? Who's more likely to benefit there?

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Speaker 3: There's statistics for this, White folks, black and brown folks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, white people last tax cuts. So I'm just saying, like,

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Speaker 2: when you talk to us about didn't earn it, check.

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Speaker 3: Yourself before you wreck yourself, because the facts are all here.

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Speaker 2: The DEEI, the anti DEI legislation needs to be back

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Speaker 2: pointing at you. Here goes you, here go you point

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Speaker 2: at us. Here's us point back at you, But I got.

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Speaker 5: My question is because like those white men who were

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Speaker 5: power rests almost exclusively in some of these areas, they're

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Speaker 5: not going to be convinced by this. I sure the years,

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Speaker 5: quite frankly have lost my faith. I'm not trying to

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Speaker 5: convince the willfully ignorant anymore. But I do want to

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Speaker 5: collectively inform the people who are open and arm us

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Speaker 5: collectively with action items that can change this. So white

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Speaker 5: man like no, see is you They're not going to

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Speaker 5: hear that and say, oh, well, why didn't I think

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Speaker 5: of that? I'm sorry, guys, let's fix it. So what

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Speaker 5: do we do?

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Speaker 3: But it's black folks that are looking at that too, like,

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Speaker 3: oh I Like I have seen in the comments that

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Speaker 3: are like, yeah, I don't want to hand out no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: you do want equal footing though, you do want equitable footing.

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Speaker 3: So like you're getting brainwashed by that. Yeah, you're Solda

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Speaker 3: bill A Goods, it's not even real. Like and then

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Speaker 3: here's the other thing. There are places where we are empowered,

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Speaker 3: where we have power to push back against these narratives

635
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Speaker 3: we always know and this is the thing that I

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Speaker 3: wish we would have embraced and embodied from the civil

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Speaker 3: rights movement. You hit them in the dollar. The most

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Speaker 3: successful example of this, I think in an athletic program,

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Speaker 3: particularly because Randall Woodfinn called on athletes no longer to

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Speaker 3: go to Alabama States permis Yes, sorry, TIF, thank you

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Speaker 3: for that, the mayor of Birmingham. You also have Derrek

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Speaker 3: Johnson from the NAACP and other civil rights leaders saying

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Speaker 3: don't go to Florida, don't go to Kentucky.

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Speaker 2: Then don't go to these places.

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Speaker 3: And a wonderful example because there's some students who are like,

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Speaker 3: I can't afford to not go. I was planning on

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Speaker 3: helping my parents, my family get out the hood.

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Speaker 2: I gotta go to.

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Speaker 3: The school that's recruiting me. I would turn you to

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Speaker 3: Missouri in twenty fifteen. Miszoo in twenty fifteen. Their football

651
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Speaker 3: team was like, if this administration can't get us act together,

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Speaker 3: we're not playing. I guarantee you we could get some

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Speaker 3: coaches together, the Don Staleys of the world, the Deon

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Speaker 3: Sanders of the world, the other folks black coaches at

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Speaker 3: big institutions who can say college players have us say

656
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 3: college players have a role, College players have influence. Use

657
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 3: your influence and turn your back to these institutions.

658
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 2: They want to perpetuate what slavery.

659
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Speaker 3: Was all about. I keep trying not to use that analogy,

660
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 3: but it is hell. It is applicable here. You have

661
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 3: to say you will not use my body to make

662
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Speaker 3: money for your institution, all the while turning around around

663
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Speaker 3: my colleagues, my peers who could get in here on

664
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 3: academic scholarships, could could learn here, but you're turning them

665
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 3: away because they don't see themselves reflected in the curriculum.

666
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,919
Speaker 3: If you can't reflect me in the curriculum, I will

667
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 3: not serve you on the field or on the court.

668
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 3: Game is over, pastime, halftime, over time, is due?

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Speaker 1: Time?

670
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 2: And time?

671
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 5: What impact? What's the financial impact? How effective is that

672
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 5: of athletes not going to states because I imagine that

673
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 5: would hit institutions of higher ed. But how wide a

674
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 5: shadow does that cast across the rest of the States.

675
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Speaker 1: Let's begin and in with this. Who is likely the

676
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: highest paid staffer on any lege campus in the country football.

677
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: It ain't the president, Yeah, it ain't the provost. It

678
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: ain't the dean of this, that or the other. And again,

679
00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: these are institutions of higher learning, principally created for our

680
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: academic uplift, yet the highest paid individual on the campus.

681
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: It's so much so that they not only take the money.

682
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: If you're a state school, they don't just take the

683
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: state money. Then they put a whole committee together on

684
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: the side, call them boosters or insert whatever you want,

685
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: that then has the ability to raise unlimited sums of

686
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Speaker 1: money for said individuals. Angela, I know you've been doing something.

687
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: I got out out till I said that.

688
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Speaker 2: Please tell it was no and it's accurate.

689
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 3: We know it's accurate, but I just wanted to I

690
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 3: wanted folks to know the figures. This is a tiff

691
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 3: moment brought to you by Native Lampire, but this is

692
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Speaker 3: normally a Tiffany moment.

693
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 2: Our resident sports expert would have told you.

694
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 3: This that eighty percent of the highest earning public employees

695
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 3: are college head coaches. You all know Nick Saban, of course,

696
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 3: he just retired recently of Alabama. He was making eleven

697
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 3: point seven million dollars a year. But he doesn't see

698
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 3: that you should have equity in a college institution because

699
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 3: because you did not earn it.

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Speaker 2: That's just one.

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Speaker 5: Right of the college football team business. There was black.

702
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, thirty one of the fifty highest paid state employees

703
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 3: are college football coaches, thirty one of the fifty.

704
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Speaker 2: To Andrew's point, you know, I just I.

705
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Speaker 1: Think so some people, as Tiffany was pointing out, will

706
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 1: hear the checklists and say, well, that's because we planned better,

707
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: that's because we wrote a wheel, That's because da da

708
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: da da da. And I just want you to really

709
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: interrogate this further because I agree with Tiffany, I don't

710
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 1: think we're going to convert mis because ultimately what it's about,

711
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: while we may see the supremacy in it, it is

712
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: about power and the survival of that power. And it

713
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: begins in my home. I want to preserve as much

714
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: as I can for myself in my porogeny, and it's

715
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: to hell with everybody else who's not in that category.

716
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 1: And I don't think this is a wide exclusive reaction.

717
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: I think this is a people period reaction, which is

718
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: self preservation. But when your self preservation now doesn't just

719
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: have your actions to attribute to a success, but it

720
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: is reinforced by a set of systems banking, loans, loan officers, policies,

721
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: institutions that then stand up right behind you to reinforce

722
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: that system. It's now no longer within your own It's

723
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,919
Speaker 1: no longer happening within your own power. It's happening within

724
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: the collective power of institutions, public private governments, of policies, laws, ordinances, codes,

725
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: you name it are now reinforcing your ability to maintain

726
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: your power. Whereas, when you look at me, what institutions

727
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: do I have backing me up other than some symbolic

728
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: resolutions and statements that say everybody of any shade and

729
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: background ought to be able to be here. Well, if

730
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: that's true, then let's interrogate why then all those folks

731
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,919
Speaker 1: aren't represented here. I'm just saying I know a lot

732
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: of us, and I'm talking specifically to black folks up

733
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: in Mobile who don't want to be cast with an

734
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: expursion that you didn't deserve to be here. I know

735
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: that voice, I know it intimately. But don't get caught

736
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 1: by the okie doke. Once you get compelled by that vision,

737
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: you have failed to ask any other questions as to

738
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: why why don't my people have a will? Well, your

739
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: folks weren't able to build up enough reserves. They were

740
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 1: paying their bills every single month and therefore weren't able

741
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: to save up enough. Oh, and then granddaddy remember that

742
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: land he had, that forty acreuse everybody used to talk

743
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: about he had in southern Georgia that somehow because of taxes,

744
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: not because of his ability to own it, not because

745
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: of his ability to buy it he bought it, but

746
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: because of government taxation and the policies that shifted. And

747
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 1: then who came into ownership, Oh, the bank, and they

748
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't let you get it back at the amount that

749
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: he owed in taxes. So then they owned it and

750
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Speaker 1: then sold it to the commercial realtor who now has

751
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: a whole strip mall on your granddaddy's lay in. We

752
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: have to interrogate the reasons as to why and if

753
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: you buy the okie dokee, you never get to the

754
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: questions as to why these things look the way they look.

755
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 1: You call me whatever name you want to, but just

756
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: just make sure that the same the same policies you

757
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: have benefiting you, undergirding you, backing you up, that that

758
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 1: same artillery, that same bandwidth exists for me and mine.

759
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: And my guess is there ain't a state in this

760
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: nation we can point to that can back us up

761
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: in the same way that you can point to any

762
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: of the fifty that backs up the institutional structures that

763
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Speaker 1: pre exist us.

764
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Speaker 2: Andrew, I know we've been on this for a minute.

765
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Speaker 3: We should do, like really think this should be a

766
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 3: mini five to like a deeper dive on this. But like,

767
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Speaker 3: I'm curious to know why, like ACOU hasn't come forth

768
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 3: with challenging some of these pieces of legislation on the

769
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 3: not teaching something because it makes someone feel bad piece

770
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,760
Speaker 3: in particular, like that feels like a violation of free speech.

771
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 3: So I'm curious to know why that hasn't been the

772
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 3: approach here. They are loud, and I would argue in

773
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 3: some instance is wrong on some of the other things

774
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 3: that they'll take up for free speech. So in this

775
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 3: instance where that could be particularly harmful, we're talking about

776
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 3: equitable funding in this country on that didn't earn it part.

777
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 2: But there are whole pieces where these folks.

778
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,760
Speaker 3: Have joined together, almost like the American Legislative Exchange Council

779
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 3: also known as ALEX, making a resurgence because these bills

780
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 3: are widespread. It's only thirty places where they've caught traction,

781
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 3: but they are over like almost in every state, especially

782
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 3: on the piece around now teaching our history because it

783
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,479
Speaker 3: makes someone feel bad, and that feels like a really

784
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 3: good opening to me. I think I would just say

785
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 3: the last thing is I'm very curious to know why

786
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 3: the Biden administration, in particular, I would think Kamala, Vice

787
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 3: President Harris, why they're not going after this the same

788
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 3: way that they're going after reproductive justice issues like this.

789
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 3: It feels like it's remarkably silent, and it feels a

790
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 3: little irresponsible to me that we're not taking this head on.

791
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 3: This is something that the Republican Party is using to

792
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 3: gin up their base. How you're going to gin up

793
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 3: our base? Our base isn't excited to watch these bills happen.

794
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 3: We've seen this time and time again. We saw a

795
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 3: turn of events in twenty twenty around the murder of

796
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 3: George Floyd, and we're seeing a harsh backlash. We should

797
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 3: be like making sure that our folks know that we care,

798
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 3: that we're seeing that we're heard. They're going to be protected,

799
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Speaker 3: just like wombs are being protected.

800
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Speaker 1: I think it's I think they will dial this down

801
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: to a red herring. And I think Tiffany said this

802
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: early on when we started broadcasting. You know, she was

803
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: saying we get whispered to.

804
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm tired.

805
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: Anyone else gets the megaphone right in the podium, with

806
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: the with the with the with the mics everywhere, and

807
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: so on and so forth.

808
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 2: I surely last night I need a megaphone.

809
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: But you know what, we've got to charity or or

810
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 1: or or sympathy or understanding or comprehension begins at home,

811
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: which is why we've you say, ten ten toes deep.

812
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: We've got to be able to stand ten toes down.

813
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: I said it in my own sentence, ten toes down.

814
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: And the fact that we aren't anybody's charity case. You

815
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: aren't giving me a damn thing that I don't not

816
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 1: just deserve, but that I haven't worked for and earned

817
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: for myself. I agree with you. I think we probably

818
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: need a deeper dive here, and I would actually love

819
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: a deeper dive that may be centered some of these

820
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 1: voices of folks who carry some shame or embarrassment around diversity,

821
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: equity and inclusion, so that we get to hear like, what's.

822
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 2: Really you want to hear from the audience.

823
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I want to hear that what's really at this?

824
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 1: What has you confused over over your being seen.

825
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 3: Help to your respect, Doctor Ken, you talked about respecting

826
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 3: the dollar, like this is this is your money, money,

827
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Speaker 3: this is your opportunity, This is what you desire the dollar.

828
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Speaker 1: But but but guess what, most of these things don't

829
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: ever get to the dollar. Most of this is for

830
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 1: many of these corporations, companies, university, so and so forth.

831
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: This is an assembly and some quiet counseling. When the

832
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: when the students of color come to you and say,

833
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 1: my professor doesn't say a damn thing about my history.

834
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: We're relegated with DA DA DA. And then they become

835
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: champions on their behalf to say, hey, we got to

836
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: teach inclusive and complete histories here, right. But but in

837
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: a lot of places it doesn't come down to the dollar.

838
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: In so many places, it's just about being reflected, and

839
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: it can't be overstated. It cannot be overstated. When my

840
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: children have not had a black teacher all of their education,

841
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: except for the ones that they get at home, Andrew,

842
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: are you serious, I'm very serious. In a public they.

843
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: Don't have black they don't have black teachers.

844
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,479
Speaker 1: My children haven't had a black teacher, and my twins

845
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 1: are fourth graders any year of their matriculation, and they

846
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,479
Speaker 1: will not if it stays the way that it looks,

847
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: they will not have that experience in their elementary school.

848
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: And I would reckon that I am not rare in

849
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: this situation. Is not in isolation or alone. I think

850
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 1: is reflected in a lot of places that in the

851
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: south West, Midwest and so on and so forth. All

852
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 1: I have to say is it meant something so much

853
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: when my children were able to see a doll in

854
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: a picture in a person who wasn't inside their home.

855
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: They got all these pictures, they're like, my daddy knows Obama,

856
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: and but that isn't the real experience of of of everybody.

857
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 1: But the first time you see that outside of your

858
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: home is in Black History Month.

859
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

860
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: And then even in those so I miss me with

861
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: self hatred, self uh devaluation where you can't even stand

862
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: up with your stiff spine held and your shoulders thrown back,

863
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: to say that we matter enough to be reflected in

864
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: the true telling of the story. Period enough said, I

865
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 1: can navigate the rest, but just let's start there. We're

866
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: not even there, and I we are over time. When

867
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: we come back, y'all, we're gonna pick up another weighty,

868
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: heavy topic. And uh after that, we'll try to land

869
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Speaker 1: this plane one way or another. Stay tuned, let's face

870
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Speaker 1: some bills, and we're back. And again the topic is

871
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Speaker 1: is no lighter. In fact, I think considerably, considerably more

872
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Speaker 1: costly when we think of human toll and just the

873
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Speaker 1: terrible ants that the people of Haiti have been experiencing.

874
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Speaker 1: And I know it has not been widely covered on

875
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Speaker 1: most of our traditional platforms here mainland US, but in

876
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Speaker 1: the opening I mentioned that Haiti is closer to Miami

877
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Speaker 1: than Miami is to New York. I mean it is

878
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Speaker 1: seven hundred miles off the Florida coast. But not just

879
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Speaker 1: that Haiti. Haiti occupies a very very very very important

880
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Speaker 1: place in the in the African dash or around the globe,

881
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Speaker 1: having been the first and still struggling, but nonetheless the

882
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Speaker 1: first republic that was majority black, and in the history

883
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 1: of the world, they threw off the yoke of US

884
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Speaker 1: and French and Spanish imperialism, but more specifically in its founding,

885
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,720
Speaker 1: they threw off the yoke of French imperialism and slave

886
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: trade to declare their independence as a free people. Oftentimes,

887
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: I remember growing up, i'd hear oder folks say, man

888
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Speaker 1: if I couldn't have been alive during state, because if

889
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Speaker 1: I was alive, such and such and such and such

890
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: and such, a lot of us have that such and

891
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: such and such and such and such and such. But

892
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Speaker 1: the people of Haiti, under the leadership of Toussaint and

893
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: so many other powerful figures who were around that time

894
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Speaker 1: and have served since, were able to throw off that yoke,

895
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Speaker 1: establishing their independence. And then we talk about reparations here

896
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Speaker 1: in the United States and what is old.

897
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Speaker 2: Well.

898
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Speaker 1: The French, when they were thrown out of Haiti during

899
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Speaker 1: Haitian independences, decided that because they could no longer ship

900
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Speaker 1: cocoa beans out of Haiti and that they could no

901
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Speaker 1: longer benefit from the slave trade. That they said, the

902
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Speaker 1: Haitians owed the French people five hundred million dollars during

903
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Speaker 1: that day, five hundred million dollars, which is over two

904
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Speaker 1: billion in today's money, that they had to repatriate to

905
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Speaker 1: the French country, which they did, preventing them from doing

906
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Speaker 1: all kinds of things for themselves and for their people.

907
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Speaker 1: I want you to toss real quick to this video,

908
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Speaker 1: which will give you a little bit of perspective on

909
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Speaker 1: what we see happening now in Haiti, where heavily armed

910
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Speaker 1: gangs now control about eighty percent of the capital city,

911
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: Porto Prince according to the United Nations, and fortunately the

912
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Speaker 1: circumstances made them even more powerful than what appears to

913
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Speaker 1: be Haiti's remaining government. Let's toss to the package.

914
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Speaker 4: So let me give a little hits free lesson. I've

915
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Speaker 4: talked about this before on the show. Most people are

916
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Speaker 4: familiar with the fact that in eighteen oh four Haiti

917
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 4: declared its independence from its brutal slave owners France slave masters.

918
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Speaker 4: They became established the first independent black republic in the

919
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Speaker 4: history of the world. That was a miracle of miracles,

920
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Speaker 4: never to be equalled. But for generations descendants of the

921
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:23,720
Speaker 4: enslaved had to pay reparations to their enslavers, that includes France.

922
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Speaker 4: By accounts, some five hundred million dollars was repatriated back

923
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Speaker 4: to France, money that could have gone to build schools,

924
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Speaker 4: to build roads, to build.

925
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Speaker 6: Infrastructure in Haiti.

926
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Speaker 4: Also in nineteen fifteen, the United States invaded the country,

927
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Speaker 4: saying that it was too poor and too unstable to

928
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Speaker 4: take care of itself, and walked out of Haiti's national

929
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Speaker 4: bank with some five hundred thousand dollars, which they used

930
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Speaker 4: to establish a company that is now known as City Group.

931
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Speaker 4: A lot of people don't know that history.

932
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Speaker 2: But we can't talk.

933
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Speaker 4: About that without the deep corruption that has existed in

934
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Speaker 4: Haiti from its political leaders for many, many, many years.

935
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Speaker 4: Wasn't always like this, Back in the nineteen fifties and

936
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Speaker 4: the nineteen sixties. We have some images that show that

937
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Speaker 4: Haiti was a beautiful country, just like many other islands

938
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Speaker 4: in the Caribbean, thought to be a playground for the

939
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Speaker 4: rich and the famous. But that deep culture of corruption

940
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Speaker 4: that has existed for many of Haiti of Haiti's leaders

941
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Speaker 4: has led to the situation that we're seeing right now,

942
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Speaker 4: in addition to some natural disasters like the earthquake and

943
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Speaker 4: of course the assassination of a president.

944
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so your land is robbed. You are then

945
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Speaker 1: thieve from, not just off of your crop, but literally

946
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Speaker 1: your banks are robbed from the leaders who are stood

947
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Speaker 1: up in Haiti, from du Vaier, Papa Doc, Baby Doc.

948
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Speaker 1: Some of you will remember just July of twenty twenty,

949
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, where the president was assassinated in his home,

950
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Speaker 1: President Moyes. We now have the Prime Minister Henry, who

951
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Speaker 1: as of this week, has landed in Puerto Rico, but

952
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Speaker 1: has not been able to return to Haiti itself, the

953
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Speaker 1: country that he is the political leader of, because he

954
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Speaker 1: went to the United Nations and asked for an international

955
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: police force to come in and help re establish order.

956
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Speaker 1: The people of Haiti said no. The gang said hey,

957
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Speaker 1: oh no, and you can't come back. You must resign.

958
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Speaker 1: He's now agreed to resign and stepped down after a

959
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: provisional government for governance has put in place. It's a

960
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: terrible situation. But what I appreciated about that piece is

961
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Speaker 1: you can't understand what's happening now, the failures of a

962
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Speaker 1: stable government in Haiti. You can't understand it now if

963
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: you don't also happen to understand how we got here. Tiffany,

964
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Speaker 1: I know you are a lover of things all international

965
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Speaker 1: and global. I just wonder how what's happening in Haiti plays,

966
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Speaker 1: and you're part of the neighborhood up north.

967
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Speaker 5: I'll keep it brief because I know we've been going

968
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Speaker 5: long on these pop but I think it's important, and

969
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 5: thank you for putting in context. The Slaver Volt, the

970
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Speaker 5: self Liberated Slavery Volt, that took place in seventeen ninety one.

971
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Speaker 5: That is reason number one why we should care about

972
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Speaker 5: what happened there. If we don't care to bring a

973
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Speaker 5: wrinkle in time here, the United States could potentially face

974
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Speaker 5: a country seven hundred miles from Florida shore that could

975
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Speaker 5: be run by criminals and narcos. So you could have

976
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Speaker 5: potentially a narcos state, and that will most certainly impact

977
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Speaker 5: domestic policy here. In terms of our foreign policy, the

978
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 5: United States has already spread very thin given multiple confrontations

979
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 5: happening across the globe, and so I unfortunately have more

980
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 5: questions than answers around what the US role is and

981
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 5: what it should be. You talked about, you know, going

982
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Speaker 5: to the UN. A lot of people this is not

983
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 5: my opinion. I don't feel comfortable opining on it, but

984
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 5: a lot of people would argue that the US prompted

985
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 5: Prime Minister Henry was pretty much feckless during his time there.

986
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Speaker 5: And so if we are turning to international people, there

987
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 5: is a chance that the Kenyan police could play a

988
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 5: role here, which would also potentially create other problems, but

989
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 5: they are approved at least by the UN. Some people

990
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Speaker 5: have challenges with the UN, so This is a subject

991
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 5: matter that's really hard to wrap up in thirty seconds,

992
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 5: so probably something for a deeper dive. But I would

993
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 5: just encourage people to read papers. Google is not a

994
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 5: research tool, you know, like actually read an article from

995
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 5: reputable reporters who are on ground there, who've been doing

996
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 5: deep dives on this for years, because it's worth knowing

997
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 5: about and foreign policy impacts domestic policy, and we should

998
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 5: all have a little bit of curiosity about it.

999
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: That's real, that's real. Well, listen, just know that here

1000
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: at natal Land Pod, we're going to try to bring

1001
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: news to you that is also relevant to you. And

1002
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: so it's my hope that we'll continue to track what's

1003
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: happening there and see the people of Haiti and the

1004
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: larger death spora that exists outside of Haiti right here

1005
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: in the United States, and just you know, let you

1006
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 1: know that you're not alone in your care and in

1007
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: your concern for what happens to the future of of

1008
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: of Haiti. All of us, all of us are are

1009
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: in horror about what we're seeing, and we're hoping that

1010
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: we'll reach a conclusion there that preserves life and liberty

1011
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: and most importantly the freedom. So bravely established on that

1012
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: island nation so many, so many years ago. We'll be

1013
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: right back after we pay some bills. All right, y'all,

1014
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: We went a little long today, so we didn't get

1015
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: to cover everything we wanted to in the episode, most

1016
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Speaker 1: namely Instagram and they're limiting up political content. I asked

1017
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: you before we're on Instagram. Are y'all able to see us?

1018
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: We're talking politics? But we're going to do a deeper

1019
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: dive for you. We'll give you a little bit more

1020
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: time and a little more emphasis on the topic. So

1021
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: stay tuned for the details on the picture mini pod

1022
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: talking about Instagram and their limitation of political conversation and

1023
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: in the spirit of calls to actions, the bio pict

1024
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Speaker 1: surely that our I mean the actress, the actor at

1025
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Speaker 1: extraord and their Regina King plays pivotal role and I

1026
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: think acts for the first time with her sister, biological

1027
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: sister in and all these years of acting, they've never

1028
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Speaker 1: been in a film together, and so they got to

1029
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: do that this time. I'm interested. Have y'all checked it

1030
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: out yet? I did what you got for Angela.

1031
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 3: You know what I'm going to tell you. There are

1032
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 3: two things that I really want to say one Regina

1033
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 3: King for performance like that after losing her son so tragically.

1034
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 2: It's just it's just amazing.

1035
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 3: I hope that this is homework for students all over

1036
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 3: the country, particularly those who are eligible to vote for.

1037
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 2: The first time.

1038
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,919
Speaker 3: It is so inspiring and it teaches us so much

1039
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 3: about the importance of our engagement, even when the system

1040
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 3: itself is not perfect.

1041
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 2: We are there to perfect the system.

1042
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 3: The thing that I wish, like, I literally cried about

1043
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 3: this yesterday to see Barbara Lee, how she showed up

1044
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 3: in that film, and then to be in there after.

1045
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 3: I'm crying again now. I wish that this would have

1046
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:57,439
Speaker 3: came out before her primary, because what you see is

1047
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 3: Shirley Chisholm passing the baton to her like she was

1048
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 3: willing to figure out how to engage everybody who was

1049
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 3: necessary in the political system, from the Black Panther Party

1050
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 3: to George Wallace and Barbara Lee, like learned under her tutelage,

1051
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 3: she still performs that bravely nine to eleven. We wouldn't

1052
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 3: have had a war and faux weapons of masters destruction

1053
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 3: if Congress would have listened to Barbara Lee like she

1054
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 3: is formidable, and I wish that people knew what we

1055
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 3: all know about b Lee, so to see this document

1056
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 3: or not this documentary, but really could have been this biopic,

1057
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 3: like with the way in which she comes across on

1058
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 3: camera again for people who don't know her full history

1059
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 3: and how she showed up for us in Congress and

1060
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 3: even as a staffer for Ron Dellams after what happened

1061
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 3: with Shirley Chisholm and Ron Dellams to taking the baton

1062
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 3: also from him. She deserved that Senate seat and she

1063
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 3: didn't get a fair shot because money is still in

1064
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 3: politics and because people don't understand the courage that it

1065
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 3: takes to sit in these role, these roles and to

1066
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Speaker 3: be sworn, you know, to take this oath, and for

1067
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 3: the belief that she could still have in this system

1068
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 3: after constantly watching the system betray her, but know that

1069
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Speaker 3: if she's there it could change it. Just was it, really, honestly, y'all,

1070
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Speaker 3: Like as frustrated as I've been lately, it restored my

1071
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 3: hope and reminded me of the importance of our voices

1072
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Speaker 3: right now.

1073
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Speaker 2: So that I.

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Speaker 5: Love that you brought it and made it relevant to

1075
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 5: present day Angela, because I think that's so relevant. I

1076
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Speaker 5: do want to say about Shirley Chisholm for our viewers

1077
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Speaker 5: who may not know, she's the first black woman elected

1078
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Speaker 5: to Congress. She ran for president, and she was a

1079
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Speaker 5: voice for the people in Congress. She like challenged her

1080
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Speaker 5: fellow members who were accused of harassing and trading sexual

1081
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Speaker 5: favors from their staff. There were things that that were

1082
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Speaker 5: not included in the biopic about her, So I encourage

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Speaker 5: people to learn more about Shirletism. I would also say,

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Speaker 5: there's so many questions for us as black women, and

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Speaker 5: sometimes you can show up and you show up as

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Speaker 5: a woman who happens to be black, or you can

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Speaker 5: show up as a black person who happens to be

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Speaker 5: a woman. I always show up as a black person

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Speaker 5: who happens to be a woman. Shirly Tism, perhaps controversially

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Speaker 5: to some people, sometimes showed up as a woman who

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Speaker 5: happens to be black because she felt so much sexism.

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Speaker 5: And I look at some of the commentary sometimes on

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Speaker 5: our socials and I can understand that level of frustration

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Speaker 5: from her. So I think her legacy lives on in

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Speaker 5: so many of us, but still invite so many conversations

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Speaker 5: around the work that she did. And I love how

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Speaker 5: Angela created at wrinkle in Time, and thank you Andrew

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Speaker 5: for making sure we talk about it. And I have

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Speaker 5: to say, lastly, Regina King, if you ever hear this,

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Speaker 5: we love you, my to have always loved you. But

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Speaker 5: the way that she shows strength after losing her only

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Speaker 5: baby h to suicide, and the way that she's talked

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Speaker 5: about it, and then you know she I respect his

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Speaker 5: decision to not be here. It's hard not to hear

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Speaker 5: her promote this because they used to walk the carpets

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Speaker 5: together and not weep for that too. So lots of

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Speaker 5: heaviness around this film, but I encourage everybody to see it.

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Speaker 1: Well man, I appreciate I thought it was gonna be

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Speaker 1: a quick mention, but I love y'all going deep on

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Speaker 1: it because similarly I took away a couple of things.

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Speaker 1: But I'll just mention two for the moment. One was

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Speaker 1: a little saddened by the role that black men in

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Speaker 1: Congress played in negotiating a way a bit of Shirley

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Speaker 1: Chisholm's power. And it wasn't about her power, it was

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Speaker 1: what it was the gap she was standing in on

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Speaker 1: behalf of and you have to look at the biopic,

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Speaker 1: I think more understand or understand or history and what

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Speaker 1: happened at that seventy two convention. And then I also

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Speaker 1: really paused in reflection at that moment, Angela that you

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Speaker 1: reflected on, which was to see Ron Dellams, who were

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Speaker 1: former mayor, famed socialist democratic socialist himself, who would be

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Speaker 1: succeeded in Congress by the Barbara Lee, who was such

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Speaker 1: a strong support or advocate for Shirley Chisholm and credits

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Speaker 1: her with so much of her own learning, would then

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Speaker 1: take the seed of a man who, in this very

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Speaker 1: pivotal moment at the seventy two Democratic Convention played a

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Speaker 1: role in a little bit of the undermine of the

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Speaker 1: negotiating game there at the end, that's to not take

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Speaker 1: anything away from anybody's record of service, but to put

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Speaker 1: it into context in that particular moment. And I think

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Speaker 1: it should challenge all of us to not let the

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Speaker 1: biopick be the beginning in the end of our research,

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Speaker 1: but let it be if you haven't studied it before,

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Speaker 1: let it pique your interest. If you have, go back

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Speaker 1: and refresh yourself. And again we're talking about the premiere

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Speaker 1: of this past premiere of March twenty second on Netflix

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Speaker 1: of the new biopic Shirley, which again stars the amazing

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Speaker 1: talented work of Regina King as the indomitable Shirley Chisholm

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Speaker 1: and the brook the Brooklyn politician herself who made history

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Speaker 1: becoming the first black woman to run for president of

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Speaker 1: the United States. So I hope y'all check that out.

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Speaker 5: He was on the front lines at a fight against

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Speaker 5: Phyllis Lafley too, around the Equal Rights Amendment, And can

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Speaker 5: I say, really quickly, just for context for the viewers audience,

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Speaker 5: brought up Barber Lee's courage of her conviction. I just

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Speaker 5: want because there are a lot of people out there

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Speaker 5: who aren't old enough to remember this. As crazy as

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Speaker 5: that sounds, but after nine to eleven, Congress took up

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Speaker 5: a vote and she was the sole member to vote

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Speaker 5: against the AUMF, which was the authorization use of military

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Speaker 5: the only person to vote against it.

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Speaker 1: You curations, Yeah, that's right, appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: We love you really going to be our senator. You

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Speaker 2: will be our senator no matter.

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Speaker 1: Always, always, and the new conscience. Right if if we

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Speaker 1: refer to John Lewis as the congressman, rightly, John Lewis

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Speaker 1: as the conscience of the Congress. I think we can

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Speaker 1: add a couple more voices to that conscious.

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Speaker 2: We claim that title for the CBC. By the way,

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Speaker 2: well didn't say that.

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Speaker 3: Shirley Chisholm and Ron de Ellins are also co founders

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Speaker 3: of the thirteen of the CBC members as well. And

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Speaker 3: his legacy, I really do hope people go back and

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Speaker 3: look because he was a strong voice on apartheid, anti apartheid.

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Speaker 3: He there's way more good to his record than that moment.

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Speaker 1: But that was a tough one. But that's why people,

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Speaker 1: you know, folks ought to be considered in the fullness

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Speaker 1: of their service and not at any one particular time.

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Speaker 1: But moments in time also matter, right. Yeah, you mentioned

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Speaker 1: to invoke the term wrinkling time. There's some wrinkles and

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Speaker 1: maybe over time, by and bye, we'll iron those out.

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Speaker 1: Please please please take some time over the next coming

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Speaker 1: days to watch Shirley Again in premiere March twenty second

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Speaker 1: on Netflix and it's still available for your downloading streaming pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Check it out. Before we end the show, I want

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