1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. You know some cases you 2 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: never get over, and that's how I feel about a 3 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: little girl who went missing. 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 2: In the last days, we have recovered Laurie's remains and 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 2: we have arrested the person responsible. 6 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: Little Lorii Page has been found dead, her father charged 7 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: in her murder. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. 8 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. 9 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 2: June third, twenty twenty three. Lori Page is reporting missing 10 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 2: by her father, Andrew Wilie, and at that time he 11 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 2: claimed she left home with her backpack sometime in the 12 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 2: night while he was at work. 13 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: We worked so hard to find answers in the Lorii 14 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: Page disappearance. This sweet, sweet little girl goes missing out 15 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: of the Tallahassee area. No one was covering the case. 16 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: We contacted TALLAHASSEEPD over and over and over again. We 17 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: got no help. We couldn't find witnesses, no one seemed 18 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: willing or interested in covering her disappearance. But we tried anyway. 19 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: We covered the disappearance of Lorii Page and tried desperately 20 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: to get answers, hoping that somehow we would find her. 21 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: Many of us holding out hope that she had run 22 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: away and was in another state. And now we have 23 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: the answer, not the answer we wanted, but an answer. 24 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: Lorii Page's body has been found. How did it all start? 25 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: This little girl goes missing June three, Let's see Jane, July, 26 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: augu September, October, November, December, January, February. Where is this 27 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: beautiful twelve year old girl? Laurie Page out of Tallahassee, Florida. 28 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: Got a lot of questions about this investigation, but most important, 29 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 1: where is she? This is how the whole thing starts. 30 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: Take a listen to lit Laura Varbel. 31 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:27,399 Speaker 3: She was reported missing to us on June third by 32 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 3: her father with very missed information. So dad works overnight. 33 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 4: He is a. 34 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 3: He works in our correctional correctional facilities, so he leaves. 35 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 3: He left the night late the night before, returned the 36 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 3: next day after his shift, and she was gone. And 37 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 3: this was not abnormal, like she that was their regular pattern. 38 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: Okay, let me clarify what Lieutenant Varbal is saying. After 39 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:04,239 Speaker 1: I started investigating this case, I learned when she says 40 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: that's not abnormal, she doesn't mean that the girl is 41 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: gone is not abnormal. What was not abnormal is the 42 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: dad works a night shift. Mom's out of the picture. 43 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: Dad has the twelve year old girl. He works a 44 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: night shift and then he comes home and she's there 45 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: with me an all star panel. But first I want 46 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: to go to a special guest who has emerged as 47 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: an unlikely hero in this scenario. Margie Summers, peara professional 48 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: at Griffin Middle School, very close with the little girl, 49 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: Laurie Page, who was missing just twelve years old. Margie 50 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: Summers knows Laurie very well and she is the one 51 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: who actually went out and organized a search for Laurie 52 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: on Facebook. Margaret Adams Sommers, Miss Summers, thank you for 53 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: being with us. First of all, I want to address 54 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: us the home situation, because you know, like we all know, 55 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: that when a child goes missing or a child is killed, 56 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: it's very likely someone in the family. And the first 57 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: place you look are the male family members. You look 58 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: at the dad, the stepdad, the boyfriend, the living the 59 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: older brother, the ex boyfriend, anyone connected to that family. 60 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: What can you tell us about their living situation. I 61 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: know that about a. 62 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 5: Year prior to her disappearance that her mother brought her 63 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 5: to the father and basically left her with her father. 64 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 5: At that point, her father was somewhat new to parenting, 65 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 5: but the two of them were making a go of it. 66 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: It's my understanding that she was doing really well with 67 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: her father, never missing school upbeat. Is that true? 68 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 5: That is very accurate. And when I later learned that 69 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 5: there were issues, I was actually surprised she. 70 00:04:58,480 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 6: Was so. 71 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 4: Together at school. 72 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 5: I just want to guess that she was struggling with 73 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 5: is she's at home? 74 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: Let me go straight out, speaking of irreparable harm caused 75 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: by moms and dads in your youth, Doctor Bethany Marshall 76 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: is joining us or now psycho analyst joining us out 77 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: of LA at doctor Bethanymarshall dot com. Doctor Bethany, we 78 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: need some help. 79 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 6: When the one person who is entrusted with taking care 80 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 6: of you, making sure you're safe in this world, making 81 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 6: sure your hair is comb there's breakfast on the table, 82 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 6: the person who's supposed to have a secure attachment with 83 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 6: the father, when that person cannot hold on to their 84 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 6: relationship with the child, she's perhaps antagonistic with the father. 85 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 6: That really destroys a child's world. And I'm going to 86 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 6: tell you something about this little girl. Her primary attachments 87 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 6: were with her father and with her schoolmates. I just 88 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 6: now the little bit I've heard on this show tells 89 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 6: me that this is not a runaway to somebody who 90 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 6: had attachments in their immediate circle. Runaways are children who 91 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,239 Speaker 6: have such a huge amount of trouble in their home 92 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 6: that their primary attachments are with strangers. And that's not 93 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 6: the case here. 94 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 1: That's exactly where I was headed at Doctor Bethany. Once again, 95 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 1: you've read my mind. Margie Summers is with us, who 96 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: again has turned into a very unlikely hero. She is 97 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: the one that has organized the search for little Lori page. 98 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: She is the one being heard on media speaking out 99 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: about a girl gone, a little girl gone. Now you know, Margie, 100 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: I called hunting for information about this girl, and no 101 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: matter how many times I called, it seems as if 102 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: police didn't want to speak publicly. Isn't that unusual? But 103 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: I did notice after I started investigating the case myself, 104 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: suddenly things started changing and moving. 105 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 5: What happened, Margie, I think your phone calls may have 106 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 5: made a difference, and they may have realized that, hey, 107 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 5: this is a big deal. Eight months is too long, Yeah, 108 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 5: And I think somebody just needed to draw some attention 109 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 5: to that so that the startling fact that she'd been 110 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 5: gone eight months would shine through again. 111 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: Well, what have they done since I started poking around? 112 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 5: From what I understand, They've added a whole lot of 113 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 5: resources to the case, additional detectives. They're doing a lot 114 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 5: more legwork. They're starting over from the beginning, so it's 115 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 5: almost like the whole investigation has kicked off in high gear. 116 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: Well, I wish this had happened eight months ago. But 117 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: to the TELEHASSEPD, we would love for you to join 118 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: us and help us find Lorie Page. The whole reason 119 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: I was working up to the fact that she had 120 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: stability with her father is to dispel the idea that 121 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: she has gone run away and is voluntarily staying away 122 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: from home in school, isn't it true, Margie sommers that 123 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: she was doing well at school and seemingly happy with friends. 124 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 5: I would say she was doing well at school. I 125 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 5: never saw her with any particular friends, but she was 126 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 5: so driven and so focused on school. It was almost 127 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 5: like she didn't see school as a social environment. She 128 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 5: thought as a very serious learning endeavor. She would literally 129 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 5: run from one class to the next, even though it 130 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 5: was across the hallway, just to make sure she wasn't party. 131 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 2: Summer of twenty twenty three to early twenty twenty four, 132 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 2: detectives pursued hundreds of leeds across state lines. Laurie is 133 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 2: never located, and the story provided by Wiley begins to 134 00:08:54,840 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 2: show inconsistencies. 135 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace in the Last Days Heartbreak, 136 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: The search for Lori Page is over. The Tallahassee Police 137 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: Chief Lawrence Ravel announced that the PD has recovered the 138 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: remains of Lorii Page after a prescribed burn revealed her 139 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: remains in a remote brush covered area of Thomas County, Georgia. Quote. 140 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: I told you two years ago we would find Lori 141 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: and we would bring her home. Yes, it was about 142 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: two years ago that we begged the police department to 143 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: help us find Lori, and I believe she was found 144 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: by a prescribed burn of oberbrush found basically accidentally arrested 145 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: Laurie's father, thirty six year old Andrew Wiley, who originally 146 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: reported her missing. After investigators pursued hundreds of leads in 147 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: multiple states. They say in an exhaustive investigation, he has 148 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: been charged with second degree murder. What happened when Laurie disappeared. 149 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: Listen to Lieutenant Laura Varble. 150 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 3: She was home by herself. He had He had worked 151 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 3: nights since she had come to live with him, and 152 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 3: she would always be home while he worked his overnight shift. 153 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 3: It was a quadruplex, so it's like a there's a 154 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 3: lot of little place and there, I mean, there is 155 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 3: a there was a neighbor reference obviously for her, an 156 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 3: adult person that if she needed something, she had somebody 157 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 3: to reach out to. 158 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: Okay, to Chris mc dunn and joining US, director the 159 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: Cold Case found Foundation, former homicide detective. I found him 160 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: on his YouTube channel, The Interview Room. Chris McDonald, thank 161 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: you so much for being with us. Does it irritate 162 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: you as much as it irritates me that this child 163 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: had been labeled a runaway? You know how many cases 164 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: I've covered where the child was first designated a runaway 165 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: and they end up dead one, Nancy. 166 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 7: I mean in this situation, obviously, you know, twelve year 167 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 7: olds they just don't disappear. They can you know, sometimes 168 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 7: circumstances they do run away. However, in this particular case, 169 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 7: if we look at it, you know, from a thirty 170 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 7: thousand foot view, you've got to take into consideration. When 171 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 7: we talked many times on your show about this the 172 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 7: victim risk continual and when you look at that this 173 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 7: child falls within a medium risk in relationship to the 174 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 7: totality of her life circumstance. 175 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: With that, I don't even know what you're saying. She's 176 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: a medium risk in totality with her life circumstances. What 177 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: in the hey are you saying? Can you listen? I 178 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: feel like I'm hearing someone read a police report. Please 179 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: dummy down for me. What are you saying? 180 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 7: So, what you do is you have like an L 181 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 7: like an L shaped risk continuum, and on one side 182 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 7: you write environment, situation, circumstance. On the bottom you'll put low, medium, 183 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 7: and high risk. The lower to the left the child's 184 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 7: daily activities to hire the opportunity is for a suspect 185 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 7: and or somebody in her environment. 186 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: Okay, I do still do you know what he's saying? Okay, again, 187 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: we don't know what you're saying. Let me try to 188 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: interpret and regular people talk. Okay, Chris McDonough, Are you 189 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: saying that she was at a low risk for being 190 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: a runaway? 191 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 7: No? 192 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: Okay, See, I did not have any idea what you're 193 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: saying medium category for what. 194 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 7: For potentially somebody luring her out of the home through 195 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 7: an internet situation, through anything. 196 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: So at medium risk for kidnap or luring? Is that 197 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: what you're saying? 198 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 7: Luring? 199 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 1: Okay, medium risk because of what? Because just so you know, 200 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: we have learned that she did not have a social 201 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,599 Speaker 1: media profile, she was not online. 202 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 7: Well, that's not uncommon for somebody to within the family 203 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 7: to say, well, wait a minute, you know, she could 204 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 7: have had a phone, she could have had access to 205 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 7: her friends. There could have been a variety of circumstances. 206 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 7: That's why I'm saying, you take a look at her environment, 207 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 7: the totality of her environment. Who are our friends, what 208 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 7: access points to the internet does her father or friends have? 209 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 7: And those are kind of things that kids. 210 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 8: You know, you know more than anybody when I've raised 211 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 8: four of them, they sometimes use their friends stuff. 212 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: Well, the only thing that raises a risk in my 213 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: mind is the fact that her dad had to work 214 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: over not in mom's not in the Patriot she had 215 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: recently moved to the area. I guess, Margie Summers, it 216 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: was over a year ago. 217 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 5: Yes, it was approximately a year earlier. I think it 218 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 5: may even have been August, so the beginning of sixth grade. 219 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: Gotcha listen to this, guys. 220 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 3: She was recently recently moved to the area to live 221 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 3: with dad. She had been with dad for about a year. 222 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 3: She has had a lot of things happen in the 223 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 3: course of her life, so there could be several reasons 224 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 3: with regards to her background. We just really can't speculate 225 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 3: as to which that could be. 226 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: To doctor Bethany Marshall, I want to follow up on 227 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: what we're hearing the lieutenants say about having had a 228 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: tough time of it starting these school is hard enough 229 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: on its own. Then your dad is gone. You get 230 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: home in the afternoon and your dad leaves to go 231 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: to work. So she's there by herself, probably musing about 232 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: whatever happened during the day, maybe being homesick. So that's difficult, Nancy, 233 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: That's profoundly difficult. You know how much time you spend 234 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: with your kids processing the events of the day, and 235 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: imagine there's no one there to process the events of 236 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: the day with her. So if she is falling prey 237 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: to some other person outside the house, there's no one 238 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: for her to attach to in the house to steady her, 239 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: to help make sense of her experiences. 240 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 4: And the world is down even further. 241 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 6: This is a little girl who ran from class to 242 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 6: class even if the other class was across the hallway. 243 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 6: This tells me she was a good little girl. Good 244 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 6: girls are victims, right, little girls who can't say no. 245 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 6: So she's going to be huh angree four attachments. Anybody 246 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 6: who gives her love, Anybody who says they can fulfill 247 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 6: her needs. Anybody who says I'll keep you safe, I 248 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 6: know you, I know you better than your own parents. 249 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 6: She's going to gravitate to those people because she is 250 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 6: like a thirsty little plant. Every little drop of water 251 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 6: is going to make her spring to life, even if 252 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 6: it's from a predator. 253 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: Joining me now is high profile family lawyer joining us 254 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: out of North Carolina now at Triangledivorcelawyers dot com. Kathleen Murphy. 255 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: Before you tell me what you think, I want you 256 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: to hear this, take a listen to Sidney Sumner crimeonline 257 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: dot com. 258 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 9: When police began looking into the disappearance of twelve year 259 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 9: old Lori Page, detectives started by looking for her digital footprint. 260 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 9: But Loriipage has no digital footprint. She's not on social media. 261 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 9: Old school methods are being used to find the middle schooler, 262 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 9: knocking on doors and talking to neighbors, putting up flyers 263 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 9: with her name in personal details, sharing information with neighboring 264 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 9: police agencies, and asking the public for help. 265 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: Knowing that, according to police, there was no digital footprint. 266 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: She's not on a snapchat, she's not on install They 267 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: can't find her anywhere. But we do know there was 268 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: a computer in the home. We know that because cop 269 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: said that, but yet no digital footprint. What does this 270 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 1: mean to you, Kathleen. 271 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 4: It means to me that the police have not gotten 272 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 4: that computer and looked at it carefully. It also means 273 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 4: to me that the police have not fully investigated this case. 274 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,959 Speaker 4: Twelve year olds are going to find a way to 275 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 4: connect with somebody that makes them feel good. They're going 276 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 4: to have that reach out. And if she's alone for 277 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 4: a significant amount of the evening and nighttime and she 278 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 4: has a computer, WHI has access to the computer? I 279 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 4: wonder if the police have reviewed that computer. 280 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 1: Good question, Margie Summer or would did the school have computers? 281 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: Could she access a computer at school? 282 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 5: Matter of fact, Nancy, all of the kids at our 283 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 5: school are issued computers. And they maintain those computers with 284 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 5: them and take them home at night, charge them and 285 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 5: bring them back to school each and every day. Every 286 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 5: student at Griffam Middle School has a chromebook. 287 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: So she did have a computer. Has that computer been found, Largie? 288 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 5: I do not know the answer to that. 289 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: Wouldn't they return it to the school? 290 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 5: Yes, she would have checked it in at the end 291 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 5: of the year, and I'm quite certain that she did 292 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 5: because justice the kind of student she was. I also 293 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 5: wanted to mention, based on what your other guest said 294 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 5: regarding her self esteem, I know that Laurie received result 295 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 5: of a negative test score. She was absolutely distraught and 296 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 5: feeling terrible about her test score. She is the only 297 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 5: student that I've ever had to say, Laurie, it's not 298 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 5: that serious. It just means we're going to have to 299 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 5: help you in this one area. Other students, to get 300 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 5: them even interested in their test score is a bit 301 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 5: of a chour, but not Lorie. She took that low 302 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 5: score very much to her and I was actually concerned 303 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 5: about how sad she was regarding that test. 304 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: That just breaks my heart. It breaks my heart with 305 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: me right now, Megan crying. Director Communications at Child Help 306 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: and if you've never heard of child help, Please go 307 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: online to childhelp dot org. It's amazing they care about 308 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: one thing, helping children. Megan, thank you for being with us. 309 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: When I think of this little girl twelve, so upset 310 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 1: about a bad grade and now she's missing, and she 311 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: was immediately described as a runaway, a child that's that 312 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: upset about one bad test, I just don't see her 313 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: running away. 314 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 10: I don't see it either, Handy, and thank you for 315 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 10: having me when I hear we see children like this 316 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 10: a lot, and that tells me that she's felt said 317 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 10: about a brave it's a perfectionist. It's one way to 318 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 10: get her mother's approval. Keep peace in the family, as 319 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 10: there's been a lot of discoord And like you said, 320 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 10: she's a baby, she's twelve. She cannot sustain eight months 321 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 10: by herself. 322 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: In the last days, a heartbreaking in to a search, 323 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: to an investigation that we launched into the disappearance of 324 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: a beautiful young girl, Lori Page out of the Tallahassee area. 325 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 2: February second, twenty twenty four. A phone is sees from 326 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 2: Miley's residence. A forensic analysis and covers questionable Internet searches, 327 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 2: including queries about remote areas with bodies of water in 328 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 2: Alabama and Georgia. 329 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 1: What happened when Laurie went missing, Doctor Bethany Marshall. When 330 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:08,719 Speaker 1: the mom tells us that how scared the child is, 331 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: she's afraid of the dark, she doesn't like the outside. 332 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: She loves to eat, she loves the meals. What none 333 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: of this makes sense with the phrase this little girl 334 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: just took off, I'm just not buying it. 335 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 6: No, none of it makes it. 336 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: Remember, Doctor Bethany, when she disappeared, it was nighttime. What 337 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: do you think this little child, the old girl is 338 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: going to go out and take an aber That did 339 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: not happen. 340 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 6: No, and her knows her daughter, right, I mean, who 341 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 6: guess would know her than her own parents. However, one 342 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 6: thing concerns me, and that is that the mother is 343 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 6: talking like a police detective, not like somebody who's concerned 344 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 6: about her daughter. 345 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 4: Now, I'm not. 346 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 6: Saying she's not concerned, because she might be shocked, dissociated, 347 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 6: unable to express her love. On the other hand, a mother. 348 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: Who's this methodical, in detached, I'm going to defend the mother. Really, 349 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: all I care about is finding the girl. I don't 350 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 1: care who did what when I want to find Laurie. 351 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 1: In defense of what the mother is saying, she's extremely 352 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 1: defensive and angry that the police and others have just 353 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: written Laurie off as a runaway. Take a listen to 354 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: what missus Brosey, the mom, has to say about her 355 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: daughter being labeled a runaway. 356 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 11: The police report said that she ran away and there's 357 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 11: no reason why they believe that she was taken. And 358 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 11: that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Because you 359 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 11: can voluntarily leave under manipulation of circumstances. So whether she 360 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:54,199 Speaker 11: voluntarily left or not, she's a child. What rights do 361 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 11: children have to move around if they please? Can she 362 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 11: get in the car voluntarily drive? Now your block, because 363 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 11: just as sure as she gets in a car and 364 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 11: starts to drive it, that's going to be a problem. 365 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 11: But when she voluntarily leaves and is missing like this 366 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 11: doesn't make sense things that don't make me sense. It 367 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 11: made me upset. I get irritated. Where is lori page? 368 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: See what I mean, doctor Bethany. She's responding to her 369 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: daughter being called a runaway and it doesn't make any. 370 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 6: Sense, you know, Nanthy, I completely retract my comments from before. 371 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 6: She's sounding like a police detective. Because there are no 372 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 6: detectives helping her. She's having to think this entire thing 373 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 6: through herself. And she makes the most excellent point. Even 374 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 6: if a child walks out of the house to a stranger, 375 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 6: that's not voluntary. It's never voluntary when a minor leaves 376 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 6: the house and never returns. So this poor mother is 377 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 6: falling back on her own psychological and mental resources to 378 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 6: find her own child. Can you imagine as John David 379 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 6: or Lucy went missing and you had to be the detective. 380 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 1: You know another thing, Doctor Bethany, I think that she's doing. 381 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: I'm certainly no shrink. I want everybody else on the 382 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: panel to jump in on this. She's methodically as best 383 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: she can, going through Well, she left a twelve year old, Well, 384 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 1: who's going to feed her? What is she going to eat? 385 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: She's afraid of the dark. She wouldn't have done that. 386 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: What does she get in the car? She's not going 387 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: to drive. I mean she's going through all these permutations 388 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: and possibilities and ruling them out. And I have found 389 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany, that when you're faced with this horrible happening, 390 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: you try to make sense, You try to apply logic 391 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: to an illogical situation, and it doesn't work, and it 392 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: gets harder and harder and more difficult. And that's what 393 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: I hear the mom doing. 394 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 6: You know, I agree with you, And you know part 395 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 6: of being a mother is something called maternal preoccupation. And 396 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 6: what that means is, no matter where your child is, 397 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 6: no matter who's taking care of your baby, you're thinking 398 00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 6: about them all the time. Now, imagine your child is missed. 399 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 6: That's going to be thinking about your child in a 400 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 6: desperate kind of way. I like your use of the 401 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 6: word permutations. She's trying to think of every single possibility. 402 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 6: But not only that, these are rebuttals. 403 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: Yes, you're right. What about it? Megan crying? You're hearing 404 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall. Do you agree or disagree? 405 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 6: Well, yes, the mom got a control, She has no control, right? 406 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 10: Can you imagine I have two children not knowing where 407 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 10: they are and for eight months. I mean we're coming 408 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 10: up on a year. 409 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: What the mom is saying right now makes a lot 410 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: of sense to me, guys. Also the specter of a 411 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: mother's and father's worst nightmare. Take a listen to what 412 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: the mom is, Brasi says. 413 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 11: Tala hassee has some of the worst sex trafficking in 414 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 11: the state. And it's twenty minutes of Georgian So yes, yes, 415 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 11: I'm concerned, very concerned. 416 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: Joining me, Nicole Parton Crimeonline dot Com investigative reporter. Isn't 417 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: it true that we have learned the night before she 418 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: goes missing, she and her dad we're at home as normal, 419 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: watching TV. No problem, correct. 420 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 12: That is correct? 421 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 1: Yes, Sam. Now he then goes to work, and there 422 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: are witnesses that saw them there together chilling and watching TV. 423 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: Everything was fine, yes, no, yes, correct. Then he goes 424 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: to work as usual at a nearby prison facility, and 425 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: he works at a CI correctional institute. He goes to work, 426 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: everything's fine, locks the door, she's there. He comes home 427 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: the next morning and she's gone. 428 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 2: March twenty twenty four is more consistencies than Wiley's statements 429 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 2: are identified, and new information about his relationship with Laurie emerges. 430 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 2: Detectives shift their focus more heavily towards Wiley. 431 00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: Crime stories. With Nancy Grace, the remains of a beautiful 432 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: little girl, Lori Page have been found. What let up 433 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: to her disappearance? Nicole Parton, There was one unusual circumstance 434 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: that happened the night before, early in the evening. Didn't 435 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: the mom show up at the house and that upset Laurie. 436 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 4: She did. 437 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 12: The mom showed up at the home and there was 438 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 12: an altercation to the point that her father, being protective, 439 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 12: called the police and said, can you police come out 440 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 12: and remove the mother from the home. The police were 441 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,199 Speaker 12: not at their home all of the time. This was 442 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 12: one incident where the mom showed up. The father did 443 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 12: the right thing, called authorities and said, there's an altercation, 444 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 12: my daughter is upset, and the police came out and 445 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 12: asked the mother to remove herself from the home. 446 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy joining me, high profile family lawyer. I'm sure 447 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 1: this is not the first time you've seen trub against 448 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 1: warring exes and the child is the casualty. 449 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 4: And these children at age twelve start to find their voice. 450 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 4: They haven't quite found their voice, but they don't like that. 451 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 4: They're going to want. 452 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,479 Speaker 13: To be to a judge, be to their teachers, and 453 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 13: speak out about what they should not be subjected to. 454 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:29,239 Speaker 13: And this little girl probably saw something that traumatized her. 455 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: Margie Summer's with US paraprofessional Griffin Middle school, who knows 456 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: Laurie very well? What do you make of it? 457 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 5: I believe that it was an upsetting incident because the 458 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 5: cops never showed up at their house. For the cops 459 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 5: to even have to be called would have been traumatic 460 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 5: in and of itself. And I'm sure after that happened, 461 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 5: I'm sure her mind was whirling and she was trying 462 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 5: to figure out what to do and how to take it. 463 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 6: She turned to a stranger. Maybe she turned to a 464 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 6: stranger to process the experience, or somebody was already predating 465 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 6: on her, and at this point she had nobody to 466 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 6: process it with, which made her incredibly vulnerable to anybody 467 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 6: who showed love and wanted to talk to her. 468 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 5: I feel like Laurie may have been overwhelmed. Even the 469 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 5: bad grade she got on the standardized test overwhelmed her, 470 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 5: and the burden of it was far too great for 471 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 5: what's normal. And I'm sure the burden of what she 472 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 5: just saw and maybe even felt responsible for would have 473 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 5: weighed heavily on her. And I know sometime here they're overwhelmed, 474 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 5: they flee that feeling of being overwhelmed. 475 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: Doctor Bessy, what do you make of that? 476 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 4: Well? 477 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 6: I think what's happening with twelve year olds is that 478 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 6: they're slowly reassigning their attachments outside of the home, and 479 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 6: this serves the biological function of preparing them to leave 480 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 6: home when they're seventeen, eighteen or nineteen, so already they're 481 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 6: looking outside the house. But this little girl, her primary 482 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 6: interest was with her parents. And you can imagine your 483 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 6: parents fighting, and the idea kids blame themselves whenever the 484 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 6: parents fight, whenever a parent's neglectful or abusive. I'm not 485 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 6: saying these parents were. 486 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: I hear you, and I would love the opportunity to 487 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: psychoanalyze Lori Page, the twelve year old missing girl, but 488 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: we have to find her first, and right now she's 489 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: labeled as a runaway. She may have been upset that 490 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: her mom and dad were having this war, and there 491 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: was a verbal confrontation. The cops came over and blah 492 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: blah blah. Okay, but where is she? I mean, is 493 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: it just me, Jackie? Help me? We have to find 494 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: the girl. I don't need to figure out what she's 495 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: thinking right now. I need to find her and get 496 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: her to safety. If she was upset that night and 497 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: went out and sat on her front porch, if she 498 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: went outside in the front yard, where they is she now? 499 00:30:55,240 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: Now you've heard Margie Summers state that the computer was 500 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: handed in, So whatever computer she had was not the 501 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: school computer. But witnesses saw her on a computer watching 502 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: TV with her dad before she disappeared, before the mom 503 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: came and raised a ruckus. So where is she now? 504 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: I think on your Chris mcdonna, can we psycho Analysi's 505 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: child later after she's safe. 506 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 7: You're right, Nancy, And this is why, this is why 507 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 7: the fourteen detectives right now are realizing holy. 508 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: One of fourteen detectives would come on and make a 509 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: plea for her. 510 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 7: You're right, it's all wrong, critical. 511 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: Turning since his child disappeared, right. 512 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 7: The critical turning point. 513 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: I mean, why did you, Margie Summers, have to have 514 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: to form the search the search committee? Why did you 515 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: have to go out looking for her? Tell me about that? 516 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 5: Because other little girls, there's press conferences, there's rallies, there's newscare, 517 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 5: there's all kinds of attention, and my student, someone I 518 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 5: cared about, was getting none. That's not fair, not right. 519 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:15,479 Speaker 1: A dam and thing, no pressers, no big searches, no 520 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: guys and women on horseback, No k nines. 521 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 5: Nothing, nothing, nothing. And luckily the media in my area 522 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 5: did take interest in the story, and shortly after we 523 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 5: asked them to help us, two news channels and the 524 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 5: local newspaper all ran stories when fourteen days after she 525 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 5: went missing. 526 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: Okay, that was eight months ago. 527 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 5: Yes, it was eight months ago, and nothing's happened since 528 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 5: until the last week or so, and it's picked up 529 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 5: steam again. 530 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 1: G I wonder why, Okay, so were there any sidings 531 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: of her that night? I do not know where was 532 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: she last. 533 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 12: Seeing lasting at her home? 534 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: And the home, yeah, correctighbors saw her come outside, That's correct. 535 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: This was in June June three. School had just ended. 536 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: No neighbors saw her outside, right right? Do we have 537 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: any idea Nicole parton Megan crying? Chris mcdonne, doctor Bethley, 538 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, Margie Sommers. Was a search done of the 539 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: home to see if any altercation had occurred, where any 540 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: windows broken? Was the lot? Jimmy, do we know anything? 541 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: Was the home even processed? 542 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 12: And my knowledge the home was not processed. 543 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 7: Yes, but I can tell you what they were thinking. Man, 544 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 7: she what okay? When they got there? And this is 545 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 7: where I was going. The critical turning point here is 546 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 7: when they look at the father and they say, tell 547 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 7: me about your daughter, and he tells them. The critical 548 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 7: turning point here is, Okay, twelve year olds don't vanish 549 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 7: at that moment eight months ago. They should have immediately 550 00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 7: turned on. 551 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 14: All of the resource because at that point, everybody knows 552 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 14: you have a twelve year old who has vanished. Now 553 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 14: they could have been thinking, well, maybe she ran away. 554 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 14: It doesn't matter. 555 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: Why do we keep saying maybe she ran away. I 556 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 1: don't give a flying sig how this whole thing started. Okay, 557 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:21,399 Speaker 1: go ahead, But. 558 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 8: It's critical now when we look eight months later back 559 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 8: and we now see resources that should have been put 560 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 8: on within three hours of this child's disappearance. 561 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 7: It should have all been in motion back then, and 562 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 7: it wasn't. And that's a huge problem. That is a 563 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 7: huge problem. 564 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 1: Well not only that, think about this, Chris, let me 565 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,839 Speaker 1: throw this wrench into the works. If she's home alone, 566 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: no one is there to see what she's doing on 567 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: the internet. Margie Summers, what do you think about the client? 568 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: She had no social media presence, she didn't text, she 569 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,320 Speaker 1: didn't email, nothing. 570 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 5: I never saw personally involved with social media. But I 571 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 5: will say she was smart, and all of the kids 572 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 5: at our middle school are tech savvy. There issue the 573 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 5: computer for the duration of the year, So to think 574 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 5: that she wouldn't know how to use a computer or 575 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,800 Speaker 5: how to get on the internet would be categorically false. 576 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 5: All the children and I use the internet every day 577 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 5: and we. 578 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,360 Speaker 10: Are childho We're seeing an uptick in human trafficking. 579 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 4: It's ramblant. And that's where my head went first. 580 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: As well, is this Megan crying? Yes with Megan, Okay, 581 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: tell me about that? And why was it stated by 582 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: the mother that Tallahassee is notorious for sex trafficking. It 583 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: is close to the Georgia Florida line, very close and 584 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: close to I seventy five, which takes you all the 585 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: way from Florida to New York City and beyond. 586 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 5: And we have we're on I Can. We are exactly 587 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 5: dead center. Run to the middle of our town. I 588 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,959 Speaker 5: Can runs all the way from Jacksonville to California. 589 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,800 Speaker 10: And she sounds like Lauria sounds I'm sorry, anthey, no, 590 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 10: go ahead. 591 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: Place. What I was going to say is I'm wondering 592 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: I had a girl disappear from a stadium arena at 593 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: a football game, and you know they found her. Her 594 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 1: face popped up on an internet I want to say 595 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: dating website, but it was an escort site. This child 596 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: had been taken and was being pimped out of a hotel. 597 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so sad. 598 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 10: And that's why I think education is so important. And 599 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 10: we have the Child Help Speak Up the Faced curriculum 600 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 10: which schools Apascination can implement it and it teaches kids 601 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 10: that I'm old enough to remember the good touch bad touch, 602 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 10: and this is an offshoot of that. And we just 603 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 10: implemented a human trafficking prevention curriculum, so kids like Laurie 604 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 10: forget this did happened. 605 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 1: Based on a Megan crying from Childhelp dot org. You say, 606 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 1: Chris McDonough, we have no indication the child has did 607 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 1: yet the police still think she didn't have a social 608 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,280 Speaker 1: media presence. I don't know if she had a phone 609 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 1: or not. I don't think she did. So what in 610 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 1: the hey do we do now? I mean, if it 611 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 1: hadn't been for Marchie Summers, there would not have even 612 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,320 Speaker 1: been a search. By the way, Marchie, where did you search? 613 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 1: What did you do during your search? 614 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 5: Me and some of the other teachers and staff members 615 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 5: from the school got together and we handed out flyers 616 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 5: in the immediate area. And then also on other days, 617 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 5: I just went to some of the local convenience stores 618 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 5: taped them up there in case she popped in it 619 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 5: out for a drink or a snack, somebody would see her. 620 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 5: I also have the police, is there a place that 621 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 5: we can look, Is there anywhere that we need to 622 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 5: focus to put flyers? And they just had no search 623 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,799 Speaker 5: parameters at all. So I had a couple of apartment complexes, 624 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,359 Speaker 5: spoke to the managers, gave them flowers in case they 625 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,320 Speaker 5: saw her in their pool area, on one of the chairs, 626 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 5: something like that. But it was really really hard to 627 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:15,760 Speaker 5: know where to look because it's just not any clues 628 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,240 Speaker 5: in any particular direction. 629 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, you know about what Margie Summers said, 630 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: Chris mcdonad, This little girl. The teachers got together and 631 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: did a search for her. It wasn't the police, as 632 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:36,359 Speaker 1: I said, It wasn't ATVs and helicopters and seeking so gnar. 633 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 1: The teachers got together. Why is this happening to this 634 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:48,760 Speaker 1: little girl? Why hasn't anybody championed her? Is it because 635 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,800 Speaker 1: she's black. Is that it that nobody cares about a 636 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 1: twelve year old little girl? I mean, look at her, Chris, Auntie. 637 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:04,319 Speaker 7: Nobody ever ever wants to see a child injured, hurt, harmed, etc. 638 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 7: And in this particular case, what you're doing is the 639 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 7: tip of the spirit. Raising public awareness, continuing is what 640 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 7: is necessary and what the cops need to do, and 641 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 7: they're long overdue. It's a shame that we're even having 642 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,240 Speaker 7: this conversation today. 643 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:28,359 Speaker 2: Early twenty twenty four, based on digital evidence, detectives begin 644 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 2: searching a remote brush covered area of Thomas County, Georgia, 645 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 2: known locally as a plantation. Multiple searches are conducted but 646 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 2: yield no results. April fifth, twenty twenty five, following a 647 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:48,360 Speaker 2: prescribed burn, they cleared heavy brush in the area. Detectives 648 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,399 Speaker 2: return to the plantation for another search. This time they 649 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,719 Speaker 2: located human remains. 650 00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:07,279 Speaker 1: Now we wait for justice to oncold I friend Jim