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Speaker 1: Every day a week ago up the Breakfast Club. You

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Speaker 2: Everybody is DJ Envyes hilarious, Charlamagne the gud We are

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Speaker 2: the Breakfast Club. Lawla Rose is here as well. We

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Speaker 2: got a special guest in the buildings. She's back, Miss

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Speaker 2: Anita Kopak. Welcome back.

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Speaker 3: I'm so happy to be back. Thank you so much

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Speaker 3: for having me.

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Speaker 2: How are you feeling?

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Speaker 3: Amazing? Amazing? I feel so blessed to be in here,

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Speaker 3: and I could tell you all are having fun. So

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Speaker 3: I love to be in places where I know people

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Speaker 3: love what they're doing.

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Speaker 4: The Wind on Her Tongue is your second release in the.

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Speaker 1: Trilogy, right, yes, but it's not in paperback.

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Speaker 5: Now it is.

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Speaker 1: It is what is the difference between the paperback and

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Speaker 1: the hall cover experience.

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Speaker 3: So what I'm really excited about with the paperback is

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Speaker 3: that we have the results for the art contest, right that,

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Speaker 3: and then there was a couple of poems and so

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Speaker 3: those are in the paperback. And you know, I was

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Speaker 3: able to to correct a few things that I had

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Speaker 3: forgotten in here, so that was great to have just

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Speaker 3: a few, you know, more corrections in there.

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Speaker 4: I love the world that you're building with the Daughter

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Speaker 4: of Three Waters trilogy. The first book was Shallow Waters.

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Speaker 4: This is the wind on our tongue. Just explain to

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Speaker 4: is going to be.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so all of my books are about the Orishas,

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Speaker 3: which I don't know if you all noticed. But last

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Speaker 3: night or not not last night, sorry at the Oscars

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Speaker 3: that Michael B. Jordan that he won for Best Actor

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Speaker 3: and his for his smoke and stack right, and they

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Speaker 3: are created from the Ebaji, which are the orisha. So

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Speaker 3: he won an Oscar for playing an orisha and it's

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Speaker 3: the twin Orisha. Wow, the twin Orisha is the Ebaji.

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Speaker 3: And so the Ebayji are actually in this book. I'm

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Speaker 3: read this part the end the end note of this book.

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Speaker 3: So I say there There are many different stories about Oya,

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Speaker 3: but according to popular legend, after nine miscarriages and still

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Speaker 3: births Oya made a sacrifice on a cloth with the

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Speaker 3: color of the rainbow. She then gave birth to four

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Speaker 3: sets of living twins and a ninth child. In Yureba myth,

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Speaker 3: twins are called Ebaiji, meaning born two times. The theme

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Speaker 3: of the rainbow and Ebaji are closely linked to Oya,

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Speaker 3: so we have Ebaiji in here. I always say that

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Speaker 3: me and Ryan Coogler are like twin souls with our writing,

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Speaker 3: if I do say so myself. But you know, there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of similarities in the works that we're putting

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Speaker 3: videos from Brazil where they were doing those huge floats

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Speaker 3: to the Arishas, and it's like this energy, like people

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Speaker 3: and are, where our ancestors are from, and our spirituality.

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Speaker 3: And I think the more and more we connect to that,

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Speaker 6: I was gonna say, I'm just now I'm like looking,

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Speaker 6: I'm looking at the cast, and I'm looking at what

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Speaker 1: You said Orsha Connections and Sinners.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so Ocean was played by Mary oh Shoon. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 6: One me, one me mosaku uh who played who played Annie?

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Speaker 6: She's oh Ya, yes, and she's the warrior and the

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Speaker 3: Have you met I have not met him, not yet,

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Speaker 3: so we got to figure that out. No, but I did.

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Speaker 7: So I just want to know what was because I

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Speaker 5: Were you all right? Well all ten times? What was

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Speaker 3: As soon as I saw it, I was like, first

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Speaker 3: what are you crying about? And there were so many

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Speaker 3: things that were similar, the fact that he brought in,

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Speaker 3: the storyline of the woman being the witchy woman, right,

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Speaker 3: and I'm just I'm excited for more and more and

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Speaker 4: What inspires you to write about African spiritual traditions through fiction?

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Speaker 3: So you know what is interesting is that I feel

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Speaker 3: like the spirits chose me, like it didn't feel like

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Speaker 3: I was the editor in chief of Heart and Soul magazine,

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Speaker 3: and this story just kept coming up. It was like

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Speaker 2: Spoke about it before. I was gonna say, I know

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Speaker 3: So it was actually yame Yeah, Because my friend Lee

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Speaker 3: He was telling me about the Orishas and he told

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Speaker 3: But I think one of the things that's really beautiful

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Speaker 2: So when you tried to when you published the book,

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Speaker 3: So I didn't really go on that journey yet, but

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Speaker 1: I'll sit in the backyard. I read it on my laptop.

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Speaker 4: We were moving around and nothing. I'm just like, yo,

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Speaker 6: Yes, as an author, right of these type of stories

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Speaker 3: Oh it made me feel great. It felt It felt

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Speaker 3: We're seeing like what these how deep these stories go?

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Speaker 3: This religion survived underground for hundreds of years because if

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Speaker 4: Why do you think people are reconnecting with their ancestral spirituality?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Because it's time. I mean, those motherfuckers are eating babies,

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Speaker 3: you know, like it's like you see, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 3: they're doing the spiritual like things to make give them power.

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Speaker 3: I need to dust that shit off.

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Speaker 1: We have our own that's rooted in righteousness. Though that's right,

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Speaker 1: we're not eating babies.

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Speaker 3: No exactly, Yes, thank you for the clarify. No, it's

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Speaker 2: What traditions did you discover or find out about that

437
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 2: you feel like, as a community, we miss out on

438
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 2: all we forgot about or we don't do and I'm black,

439
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 2: I'm not Dominican, I am black.

440
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 8: I am.

441
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 3: Okay. Well for me, one thing that I have done

442
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 3: with my sister and with a few of our friends,

443
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 3: we read the book The Conjuring of America, and which

444
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 3: was actually very similar to the Wind on her Tongue.

445
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 3: It was like the real version. Like she talked about

446
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 3: Marie Leveau, and she talked a lot about erbalism and

447
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 3: how black people like they're the ones who brought in

448
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 3: all of the herbal medicines, right, so they had the

449
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 3: medicines that worked. And I was like, wow, I feel

450
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 3: so disconnected, like if I walk into a forest, I

451
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 3: don't know what any plant is. And so what we

452
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 3: did is we got all of our friends together and

453
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,719
Speaker 3: once a month we learned something that our grandmother has

454
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 3: taught us. And so we've learned spiritual baths, We've learned

455
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 3: how to make hot sauce. We've learned all kinds of

456
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 3: different things. And so I think community and gathering and

457
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 3: teaching one little thing. I mean, when I went to

458
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 3: South Carolina, Oh my gosh, have you guys gone to

459
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 3: the African American Museum.

460
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: No, I haven't done, yet they don't care about Black history.

461
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 8: Yo.

462
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 5: Yo, I really did.

463
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: Yo.

464
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 8: It's so good.

465
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 3: It's so good. And one of the things that I

466
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 3: learned that I mean, it's not going to be a spoiler.

467
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 3: I did put it into the new book, but was

468
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 3: about seeking, which I didn't realize. So the Gullageechee have

469
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 3: this practice called seeking where children from like seven to eleven,

470
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 3: they go out into the forest alone for days until

471
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 3: they have a vision. And when they have that vision,

472
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 3: they come back with that vision. So they have to

473
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 3: know what plants you can eat, They have to know

474
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 3: what plants cure things. So by seven these children are

475
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,199
Speaker 3: out there knowing, knowing. And I was like, what, I

476
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 3: had a similar thing in Shallow Waters where because I

477
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 3: knew indigenous children did that, and so I had put

478
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,919
Speaker 3: that in Shallow Waters. I had no idea that the

479
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 3: Goligie she did that. I learned a lot.

480
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: What called you to child?

481
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 4: I remember when you hit me and said you wanted

482
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 4: to go down there like to do research for your

483
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 4: third book?

484
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: Like what what called you to the to the Holy City?

485
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 3: So it was the the third book, which is about Ocehoon.

486
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 3: I'm not going to say the name. So it takes

487
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 3: place in Beauford and Saint Helena, and so I was like, well,

488
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 3: you know what, I've never been there. I was like,

489
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 3: I need to kind of feel the land, the earth.

490
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 3: When I got down there, the trees were talking to me.

491
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:36,959
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

492
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 3: I had never ever seen trees that look like that

493
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 3: with the moss hanging down. Oh, it was amazing. And

494
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 3: so when I was there, I learned that, you know,

495
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 3: all of the the money that that the enslaved people

496
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,479
Speaker 3: made for the South was through rice, indigo and cotton

497
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 3: and all of these ills. They brought the the enslaved

498
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 3: Africans over who had those skills, who knew how to

499
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 3: do the rice in the in the swampland.

500
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: Specifically picked them. They weren't just grabbing.

501
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 3: Random like exactly. So they're like, okay, you know how

502
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 3: to do this, and then took them and it's it was.

503
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 3: I was mind blown, like in so many different ways.

504
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 3: I did a tour with this woman called the Grave Woman.

505
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 3: Her name is Joel and and so she took me

506
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 3: to a rice field where they're also like, you know,

507
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 3: just make sure there's when you're walking, there's no snakes.

508
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 3: And let me tell you. Let me tell you, we

509
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 3: walked by an alligator. The people in the South are

510
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 3: not scared of alligators. They're not scared. Like they walked

511
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 3: by like it was nothing. Freak out.

512
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 6: I hate when people from the South say that, like

513
00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 6: it's not normal.

514
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: All this is not normal?

515
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 3: Was its huge as you jump?

516
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 5: Were you scared?

517
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 3: I was horrified? And they were like the father, the

518
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 3: girl's father was like, yeah, we used to swim with them,

519
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 3: and always like oh all that. Yeah they were black,

520
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 3: they're black.

521
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 5: Oh wow, they're black.

522
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 3: They're not scared like not. They're like of the land,

523
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 3: like the Gulagche, so the Glagichi, they were somewhat isolated

524
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 3: in certain islands, so they were able to keep so

525
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 3: much of their traditions and and so yeah, it's like

526
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 3: you're saying it allgators black.

527
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 4: No, that's why you got to go to the International

528
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 4: African Americans.

529
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 5: God no, the people.

530
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 4: Weapool got her on the twenty one day detoxs I know.

531
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: Of mine umbert twisted.

532
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 5: Day three started yesterday.

533
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 7: I went Sunday and Sunday.

534
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 5: No, no, no, I'm letting it go slowly. But surely you

535
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 5: can't just change.

536
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 4: What are you.

537
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 7: Just just for like I don't know health and wellness,

538
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 7: you know what I mean? Like I want like I

539
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 7: want to go in that holistic journey of health. Like

540
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 7: my diet is messed up, you know. I want to

541
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 7: be able to kill the cravens that I have for weed,

542
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 7: you know what I mean. But it's not just weed,

543
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 7: it's just even what I consume, you know what I mean.

544
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 7: When I'm watching what I'm listening to, what I'm I

545
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 7: wake up on my phone, go to before I go

546
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 7: to sleep on my phone, I wake up angry sometimes

547
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 7: and I realized it because what you watched before you

548
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 7: went to sleep.

549
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 4: You know.

550
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 7: My dreams are crazy like and not all the time,

551
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 7: but a little bit too franquent for me.

552
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 5: I'm thirty four years old. I'm not I gotta be

553
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 5: all of us, you know what I'm saying.

554
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, but it's just a different way of living,

555
00:29:58,400 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 7: you know.

556
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 5: Optimal health. I want.

557
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 7: I want that, and I want that for my kids too,

558
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 7: you know, and my husband, Like, I really really want

559
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 7: that for my family.

560
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 5: And if you can, if you can be you.

561
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 7: Know there, we already got everything we need here right

562
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 7: to heal ourselves. I want to be able to heal

563
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 7: my family. You know what I'm saying. I want to

564
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 7: be able to do that, and I want my kids

565
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 7: to be able to heal their kids, not sick of myself.

566
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 3: Shut up, No, but that's important. That's important. And my

567
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 3: sister was just telling me that there is a line

568
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 3: in the Bible that in many Bibles that has been

569
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 3: taken out of where it says to heal yourself, all

570
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 3: you need to do is fast and it's taken out.

571
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 3: Like she showed me one Bible where it was in

572
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 3: and another one where it's like taken out. I can't

573
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 3: tell you which. Someone will be able to tell you

574
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 3: which line it is, but I can't tell.

575
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 6: You a lot of churches though they teach, I mean

576
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 6: they do fast together in the church, but I know

577
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 6: in my church, like they fast. Thing is kind of

578
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 6: like what just is kind of talking about where it's

579
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 6: like you take that time of just discipline and like

580
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 6: in those moments you like talk yourself to things and

581
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 6: just have some real like hard moments that make it

582
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 6: you change after the fast happening.

583
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's very challenging, even on my third y, Like

584
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 7: it's very challenging because fast and is not just about

585
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 7: like not eating what you want is really not not watching.

586
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 3: The shows you like, you're not talking to the people

587
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 3: you know.

588
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 7: No sex, no, Like, it's very strict. It's a very

589
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 7: strict way to discipline yourself.

590
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 2: You know, you're going to know sex for thirty days?

591
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: What what? What else.

592
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 3: You do? You do have to do? No sex when

593
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 3: you there's a whole fast that you have to do

594
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 3: before you do Iawatska too.

595
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to do three weeks. Yeah, we had

596
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: to do three weeks eating clean.

597
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, no sex for three weeks, even if you're married.

598
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:51,479
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, gotcha. And you know, as far as like

599
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 3: guiding people through things like that with the with the

600
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: Goddess Wisdom Counsel that I'm a part of this group

601
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 3: with me, my sister Yachti and a woman named Cora,

602
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 3: we take people on retreats. Charlemagne has supported that in

603
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 3: so many ways because I want to basically create spaces

604
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 3: where women of color, people of color can come and

605
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 3: experience a beautiful space where all you have to think

606
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 3: about is your healing. Yeah, and we have monthly calls

607
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 3: called the Leap, and so it's kind of like a

608
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 3: community that is more of like you know, people who

609
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 3: can meet once a month and we do like group

610
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 3: coaching with them, and then we're about to start a

611
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 3: mastermind where if a legacy mastermind, and that can be

612
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 3: where if someone has like a project that they've been

613
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,479
Speaker 3: thinking about. So to me, that's where fasting comes in

614
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,719
Speaker 3: because sometimes you can't even see what it is that

615
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 3: you want to do, and it's like, well, what is

616
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 3: the legacy? What is the legacy that I want to

617
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 3: leave behind? And so if you do some fasting, and

618
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 3: then this clarity comes because only you know that you're

619
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 3: the only one who got that call, and you know

620
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 3: if it's if it's fuzzy.

621
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's the purpose thing right now, right like you

622
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 7: don't know what it is. And I thought that was

623
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 7: like a bad thing to not know your purpose, you

624
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 7: know what I mean?

625
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 5: But oh yeah, I can't. I can't see it as foggy.

626
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 7: That's why I want to stop doing a lot of

627
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 7: things that I'm doing to get the clarity for it.

628
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 3: And sometimes our purpose is just as simple as to love,

629
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 3: right like, that's that's one of my purposes. I know

630
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 3: that is one of my purposes is to love deeply,

631
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 3: to love the people around me deeply. And also I

632
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 3: feel like a part of my ministry is black women.

633
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,719
Speaker 3: Like I just love black women, and I feel, you know,

634
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 3: just thinking of my daughters, and I love my son

635
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 3: as well, of course, but just thinking of like, to me,

636
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 3: if black women are healed, like it's that's why even

637
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 3: with with like micro loans, if you give it to

638
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 3: black women, you know that the whole community is going

639
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 3: to be served because they're not going to just take

640
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 3: care of themselves, They're going to take care of the

641
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 3: people around them.

642
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 4: Can we talk about the sacred Trinity? So that's what

643
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 4: this book series represented. Yeh, shallow Waters was the mother,

644
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 4: the wind on our tongue is the daughter in the

645
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 4: next book would be the Holy Spirit.

646
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: But tell people what is the sacred trinity?

647
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 3: Yes, the sacred Trinity from most people is the Father,

648
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 3: the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Right. And so within

649
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 3: my books, I'm not I don't want to tell too

650
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 3: much about what's happening in the third one, but I

651
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 3: have the Mother, the Daughter, and the Holy Spirit. So

652
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 3: I have the mother which is Yameya. She is the

653
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 3: black mermaid, right, the mother of us all. And then

654
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 3: the daughter who's Oya, so she is the daughter in

655
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 3: the flesh, and then I have the Holy Spirit, which

656
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,479
Speaker 3: is going to be ocean, which is the sweet things

657
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 3: in life, the muse, the artist, and these the daughter

658
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 3: of three waters. Within the Cuban practice of the EFA religion,

659
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 3: so when the enslaved Africans were dropped off at different

660
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 3: parts places in the Americas, they different parts of the

661
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 3: religion sprung up. So in Cuba, in Brazil, right, So

662
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 3: in Brazil it's condomble. In Cuba it's Santaria, right, lukumi

663
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 3: ifa right, Like there's many different versions, but it's all

664
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 3: from EFA. And so within Cuba, if you're a daughter

665
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 3: of Yameya and Oshoon, they call you the daughter of

666
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 3: two waters, and usually you're only a daughter of one orisha.

667
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 3: So when I was thinking of these books, I'm like, oh,

668
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 3: but there's three of them. There's three of them, and

669
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 3: I was like, there, it's a daughter of three waters

670
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 3: because Oya is a storm, there's rain, transfermtion, she is powerful,

671
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 3: and so that's really where that Holy Trinity came in.

672
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 3: And I'm super excited. I'm so excited. I've been calling

673
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 3: my dad every morning early and been reading him like

674
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 3: chapter by chapter, and he's he's an anesthesiologist, right, So

675
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 3: he's I always think of him as super analytical and scientific.

676
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, he's helping me so much. So he

677
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 3: was I had I had sent it to him, and

678
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 3: he was like, I can't see it too well right now,

679
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 3: like he was having a hard time seeing it. And

680
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 3: I was like, well, I read the book to my

681
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 3: sister Evanna, who's back here, who is my ebaji, my twin,

682
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 3: And I always reach like she's the one who I

683
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 3: usually read the book to. She gives me the feedback

684
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 3: I know which way to go. She if she gets

685
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 3: a feeling of what's going to come next, she tells me,

686
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 3: And you know you've written books? Have you guys written books?

687
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 3: So you know it's a process. It is hard, like

688
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 3: as far as like sticking to it writing a full novel, right,

689
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 3: And so to me, I think of them as like

690
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 3: kind of like infants, And so I have to be

691
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 3: really careful who I share my words with because someone

692
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 3: might say something that feels like a stab and then

693
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 3: I am sitting and I can't write for the rest

694
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 3: of the day. Right, I did say I was sensitive, right,

695
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 3: he did. And so I'm super careful with who I

696
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 3: share with and so I was like, I am going

697
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 3: to call my dad and read this to him. And

698
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 3: he has helped me because all of them, this next

699
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 3: one takes place in nineteen oh nine, and so he's

700
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,439
Speaker 3: helping me stay true to that time, Like, well, would

701
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 3: they would have said that during that time? Did they

702
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 3: have a toothbrush?

703
00:37:58,239 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 5: Right?

704
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh, I didn't even look right, and

705
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 3: I saw that, you know, only the elite had toothbrushes

706
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 3: during that time, And so I know, how does it take.

707
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 7: For you to How long did the third book actually

708
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 7: take to write?

709
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it did not take long, which was interesting because

710
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,959
Speaker 3: the way I did it, which was very different from

711
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 3: the other ways, was that I woke up early, early

712
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 3: in the morning and just wrote a little bit every day,

713
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 3: and so I would say I started writing around November

714
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 3: and now it's March, right, and so it was really,

715
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 3: I would say, the quickest one, even though I felt

716
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 3: like I didn't feel like I was writing a lot,

717
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 3: because it just felt like I'd wake up in the morning,

718
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 3: rite some and then go throughout the day.

719
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 4: I love you know the daughtera through Water series. What

720
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 4: do you when it's all said and done? Right, Like,

721
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 4: what do you want these books to do to people,

722
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 4: not just how do you want to be received?

723
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: What do you want them to do?

724
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 3: I want people to feel transformed and go out and

725
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 3: do what they came here to do in this world.

726
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 3: And I know that might be a big tall order,

727
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 3: but I do. I want that to be the inspiration.

728
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 3: And I went to go see like a sneak performance

729
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 3: of dream Girls that's going to be coming on Broadway.

730
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 3: The way that made me feel. Oh, I would be

731
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 3: so happy if my books made people feel that way

732
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 3: because I sat there. My cousin Elyssa is in it,

733
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 3: and I sat there, and it was the first time

734
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 3: I felt unworthy of sitting in an audience seat. Real wow,

735
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 3: y'all when it comes out. When it comes out, y'all

736
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 3: have to see it. It's so good and so I

737
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 3: feel like that type of artistry. I hope that my

738
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 3: book can do that, and I would love for the

739
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 3: ip to turn into movies. It will plays, and so

740
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 3: it is yes from your lips to gaz.

741
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you haven't picked it up, pick up the paperback,

742
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 2: release the wind and hard tongue and.

743
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 4: Go get shallow waters too. Shallow waters is the mother.

744
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 4: Okay tongue, your daughter.

745
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 2: Telling them about your sisters. She's a beekeeper, telling them about.

746
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: The beef army.

747
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 3: Yes, very interesting.

748
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 7: That that is very interesting to.

749
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 2: It should be interesting to YouTube because when you land

750
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 2: and them bees come.

751
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 5: I've been to the farm, his wife loves. What do

752
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 5: you want to know?

753
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, how did you get into being

754
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 2: a bee keeper?

755
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: How did that happen? Yeah?

756
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 2: Hold on, we will get you another mic and you

757
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: can sit down and everything.

758
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 7: Yes, that is very important people, it is pay attention.

759
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: Yep.

760
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 5: Absolutely, put it right there. Yeah.

761
00:40:52,800 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then it's going to give you. Thank you

762
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 3: so much.

763
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 2: So how did you get into being a bee keeper?

764
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 3: Yeah?

765
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 9: So, I, my husband and I and our two daughters

766
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 9: lived in Harlem and we decided to move out to Palisades,

767
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 9: New York. And at the same time, we found a

768
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 9: six acre farm, and we also saw a documentary called

769
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 9: More Than Honey, which talked about the decline and honey bees.

770
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 5: So we wanted to.

771
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 9: Revive the property as well as sort of help the

772
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 9: bees at the same time. And so we started keeping

773
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 9: bees and we became obsessed. We started loving it and

774
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 9: learning more about what they do for us in the world.

775
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 9: We thought we could help them and they can help us.

776
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 9: So it's sort of a synergetic relationship.

777
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 2: For anybody out there. It's against the law. I just

778
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 2: want to say, it is against the law. If there's

779
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: a honey bee hive and you're killing, you're going to jail.

780
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 5: You're going to know this.

781
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 3: Yes, no, yeah, listen, if you have a beehive, call me.

782
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 3: She literally we can go in get the hive and

783
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 3: then put it into one of the boxes. If I

784
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 3: don't know, if you still do that, then she's gangster.

785
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

786
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 5: How many times have you been stung?

787
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: Yes, because I'm curious.

788
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 9: It's amazing a lot, a lot, but bees are so amazing.

789
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 9: Even the venom is medicine, So any anytime it gets stung,

790
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 9: I'm like, okay, it actually helps with arthritis. It's also

791
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 9: been tested to help some certain breast cancer. So every

792
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 9: time it gets stung, I'm like, okay, this is this

793
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 9: is medicine.

794
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 3: And also the honey is medicine.

795
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 5: The propolist is medicine.

796
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 9: The I mean, everything about the bee is medicine to us.

797
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 5: We need them.

798
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 6: I was going to actually, what was the importance of

799
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 6: the work that you do in the space with the

800
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 6: bees but hearing the healing part of it. Do you

801
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 6: have people that come to the farm for that specifically?

802
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 3: I don't because it's not open to the public.

803
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 9: But we do have community time where we will have

804
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 9: a farmed table dinner to benefit our Palisades Library. And

805
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 9: if there are people that I know, that you know

806
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 9: that want to reach out, I would do it.

807
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 5: I would have them come to the farm.

808
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: Go look up Lamar Farms dot com.

809
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 3: Yes, Lomar fire quick.

810
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 5: Did you ever see the movie Beekeeper?

811
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 3: Yes?

812
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 5: So I was watching that and I.

813
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 7: Love Jason State the man Felicia for Shod by the way,

814
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 7: movie is great, right, So he was a beekeeper in

815
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 7: the movie, and I was talking to like somebody I know,

816
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 7: and I was telling them like, yo, he because they

817
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 7: was joking about him always like having a job, like

818
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 7: you know, because he kills and everything. But he was

819
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 7: protecting the bees, right, and Felicia Rashad had a farm,

820
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 7: and so they was all like, n always just a

821
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 7: movie about I'm killing him, Like nah, he was protecting

822
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 7: the bees because the bees are for healing, like the

823
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 7: every part of the bee, even the venom everything, like

824
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 7: you just said. I was explaining that, right, I know

825
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 7: about the breast cancer part, but I didn't know like

826
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 7: arthritis and the bones.

827
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 5: It helps with, you know, sickness.

828
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 7: Niggas tried to tell me I was lying. I'm like, yo,

829
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 7: for real to because you always lying.

830
00:43:59,000 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 1: It's not.

831
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 7: Because you don't understand, you know, they just think, you know, oh,

832
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 7: it's a you know.

833
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 9: Honey bees are medicine. You need them, and it's the

834
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 9: kind of part of what Anita was saying. It's like

835
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 9: we've forgotten how to connect with the land and being

836
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 9: a part of that, you know, beekeeping is helping me

837
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 9: connect with the land and the healing that the land.

838
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 5: Has for us.

839
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 2: It's all here for us.

840
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 5: Thank you.

841
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 4: Can you explain the differencetween massage candles and bees wax candles.

842
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 3: So, our massage candles are made with shade butter.

843
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 9: It's made with a special mix that you can put

844
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 9: on your skin and you just heat it up and

845
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 9: put it on your skin.

846
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 5: It's also it's so sexy.

847
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 3: You light it and like let it melt and then

848
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 3: you blow it out and then you could pour it

849
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 3: either on yourself or your partner.

850
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 9: Yeah, the regular beeswax candles actually bees wax when they're.

851
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 3: Burned is also medicinal.

852
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 9: They act as an air purifier, so it releases negative

853
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 9: ions into the air, connects to the positive ions, which

854
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 9: is like just allergy allergens and just bring them down

855
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 9: out of the air. So that's the regular beast.

856
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: And then on the website you have honey, but then

857
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: you have raw honey.

858
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 9: It's all raw honey, ra honey, okay, honey.

859
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so they got soapbody.

860
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: We order from you, so I ain't got to go

861
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 2: to store get honey anymore.

862
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,720
Speaker 3: I order from This is a candle.

863
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 9: This is This is the beast Rex candle.

864
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 3: That this one everyone did. I went into our.

865
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 9: Best seller wild Mountain honey candle. So this has like

866
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 9: a very strong honey.

867
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and jes tell it. Tell your daughter's name, Jess,

868
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 2: My daughter name is Marley.

869
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, oh my god, that's why Lowland Marley.

870
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 5: Yes, okay, so this is mine, right. I knew that

871
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 5: the bees were important.

872
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 3: You knew what I want to make sure was going

873
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:50,919
Speaker 3: to be here too.

874
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us, ladies.

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Speaker 5: We appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Go get shallow water, Go get the wind on her tongue.

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Speaker 4: Man available, both of them in hadcover and paperbacks.

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Speaker 2: Anonymous Anita Kolpaks, thank you so much. It's the Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 5: Good morning.

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Speaker 3: Hold up.

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Speaker 4: Every day I wake pass up the Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 1: Finish for y'all.

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Speaker 5: Done,