WEBVTT - Rerun: TechStuff's Spooky Halloween Spectacular!

0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:12.560
<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from iHeartRadio. Hey there,

0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:15.840
<v Speaker 1>and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland.

0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:18.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm an executive producer with iHeart Podcasts and how the

0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:22.440
<v Speaker 1>tech are you, y'all? I'm working on an episode that's

0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:25.000
<v Speaker 1>still in progress. I wanted to get something to you

0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:28.640
<v Speaker 1>today while I still work on that episode, and I thought, well,

0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:31.800
<v Speaker 1>it's spooky season. I've got quite a few episodes of

0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:35.000
<v Speaker 1>tech Stuff that relate to spooky topics, and I thought

0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:38.320
<v Speaker 1>this would be a fun one. It originally published on Halloween,

0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:43.840
<v Speaker 1>October thirty first, twenty to eighteen. It is titled tech

0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:50.600
<v Speaker 1>Stuff's Spooky Halloween Spectacular and I hope you enjoy as

0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:55.800
<v Speaker 1>I revisit an article from my old employer, House stuff

0:00:55.840 --> 0:01:01.760
<v Speaker 1>Works ten scary modern technologies. Enjoy this classic episode of

0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:03.640
<v Speaker 1>tech Stuff, and I'll have a new one for you

0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:06.880
<v Speaker 1>on Wednesday.

0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:13.640
<v Speaker 2>Either everybody, and Welcome to tech Stuff. I am your host,

0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:19.600
<v Speaker 2>Jonathan Strictly, the executive vampire here at Hall Stuff Works Halloween.

0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:25.160
<v Speaker 2>If you're listening to this on Halloween otherwise, that was

0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:29.280
<v Speaker 2>the worst possible introduction I could have given for this episode, and.

0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:33.639
<v Speaker 1>I should feel badly about it, but I don't. Nope,

0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:38.080
<v Speaker 1>But in celebration of Halloween, we are going to take

0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:42.600
<v Speaker 1>a look at spooky tech, or you know, scary tech,

0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:44.920
<v Speaker 1>or at least some technology that could at least be

0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:48.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of creepy. See here's the problem I'm running into, y'all.

0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:53.640
<v Speaker 1>I've already done an episode about tech in Haunted House Attraction,

0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:57.559
<v Speaker 1>so that's finished. I already did one on ghost hunting

0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:01.360
<v Speaker 1>technology years ago where I gave a skeptical view of

0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:05.800
<v Speaker 1>what all that was about. And sooner or later, after

0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:08.720
<v Speaker 1>you do a few years of a technology podcast, you

0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:10.680
<v Speaker 1>start to run out of the fun stuff like that.

0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:15.239
<v Speaker 1>So for this episode, I turned to the house Stuffworks

0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:18.600
<v Speaker 1>website and I pulled up a classic article, which is

0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:22.160
<v Speaker 1>also always a dangerous thing when you're talking technology. But

0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:27.480
<v Speaker 1>this article is titled ten Scary modern Technologies. It was

0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:31.160
<v Speaker 1>co written by David Russ and my former editor and

0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:35.799
<v Speaker 1>Tech Stuff co host Chris Pollette. So get ready for

0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:40.600
<v Speaker 1>some tech that goes bump in the night, I guess.

0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:46.120
<v Speaker 1>And actually, to be more serious, the technology I'm listing

0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:50.960
<v Speaker 1>here does not fall into the supernatural or ghostly categories

0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:55.560
<v Speaker 1>at all. The technology represents stuff that could be unsettling

0:02:56.480 --> 0:03:00.480
<v Speaker 1>or at worst could cause massive enormous problem due to

0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:05.519
<v Speaker 1>overreach or unintended consequences. So there are some serious intreges

0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:07.720
<v Speaker 1>in here, even though I'm having a little bit of

0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:11.959
<v Speaker 1>fun with the presentation. So let us get started. Number

0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:17.760
<v Speaker 1>ten on the list hollow sonics and the audio spotlight system.

0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:22.880
<v Speaker 1>This is more in the creepy, unsettling vein technology that

0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:26.320
<v Speaker 1>focuses sound. That's what this is all about. It's focusing

0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:30.600
<v Speaker 1>sound into a narrow beam, which provides the opportunity for

0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:36.720
<v Speaker 1>ultra targeted sound for stuff like advertising. It's not necessarily creepy,

0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:39.920
<v Speaker 1>but it's not necessarily welcome either. But imagine that you're

0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:43.440
<v Speaker 1>walking through a store and just as you're passing in

0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:49.640
<v Speaker 1>front of a certain store item, let's say it's cookie

0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:54.000
<v Speaker 1>crisp cereal, and you start hearing a voice whispering to you, Hey,

0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:57.240
<v Speaker 1>that cookie crisp looks pretty good. It might seem really weird,

0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:00.240
<v Speaker 1>this little disembodied voice, And as soon as as you

0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.640
<v Speaker 1>get past a certain point, you can't hear it anymore.

0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:05.640
<v Speaker 1>You just have this experience as you're going through the store,

0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:10.280
<v Speaker 1>you keep hearing these targeted sounds in very narrow spots

0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:12.080
<v Speaker 1>and as soon as you're out of those spots, you

0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:14.400
<v Speaker 1>can't hear it. That sounds pretty creepy, right, Well, how

0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:17.320
<v Speaker 1>does it work well? According to the company, the secret

0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.640
<v Speaker 1>is in the size of the sound waves compared to

0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:24.040
<v Speaker 1>the size of the sound source. The company states that

0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:27.640
<v Speaker 1>if you have a sound source that is much larger

0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:30.960
<v Speaker 1>than the comparable size of the sound waves it's producing,

0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:34.919
<v Speaker 1>you get more directionality out of your sound so you

0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:37.520
<v Speaker 1>can focus it more like a beam. So if you

0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:40.480
<v Speaker 1>were to create loud speakers that are much much much

0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:43.960
<v Speaker 1>larger than the sound waves they're producing, and sound waves

0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:46.919
<v Speaker 1>can measure from a few inches up to several feet

0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:50.920
<v Speaker 1>in size, you could direct those sound waves in a beam,

0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:54.760
<v Speaker 1>more like a directional beam, rather than having them propagate

0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:57.960
<v Speaker 1>outward in all equal directions. But that would not work

0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:01.440
<v Speaker 1>very well for something like targeted adzing, because you would

0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:04.680
<v Speaker 1>have to have these enormous speakers perched behind the cheerios

0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:08.000
<v Speaker 1>and that would be very distracting. So this company has

0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:13.320
<v Speaker 1>gone with an approach that has these devices producing ultrasonic

0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:19.320
<v Speaker 1>beams of sound. Ultrasonic sound waves are very very tiny.

0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:24.120
<v Speaker 1>They're also normally imperceptible at least directly, they are imperceptible

0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:27.280
<v Speaker 1>to us. We cannot hear in this frequency. They do

0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:29.960
<v Speaker 1>have a very strong directionality as a result of the

0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:34.800
<v Speaker 1>way they are generated. So, according to the company, as

0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:38.680
<v Speaker 1>the ultrasonic beam travels through the air, the inherent properties

0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:41.880
<v Speaker 1>of the air cause the ultrasound to change shape in

0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:45.760
<v Speaker 1>a predictable way. This gives rise to frequency components in

0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:49.520
<v Speaker 1>the audible band which can be accurately predicted and therefore

0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:54.360
<v Speaker 1>precisely controlled. By generating the correct ultrasonic signal, we can

0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:58.919
<v Speaker 1>create within the air itself any sound desired. So, in

0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:02.640
<v Speaker 1>other words, it's the interaction of these ultrasonic frequencies with

0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:07.360
<v Speaker 1>the air itself that causes the ultrasonic frequencies to change,

0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:11.760
<v Speaker 1>and then you produce these audible frequencies. And because this

0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:16.800
<v Speaker 1>is all very controllable in a predictable environment, you can

0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:19.720
<v Speaker 1>produce whatever sounds you want. This is based off the

0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:22.839
<v Speaker 1>work of an inventor named Woody Norris. He demonstrated this

0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:25.920
<v Speaker 1>technology at a TED talk in the early two thousands.

0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:29.400
<v Speaker 1>Rather than generating the audible sound on the face of

0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:32.520
<v Speaker 1>the speaker as a traditional speaker would, where the speaker

0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:35.120
<v Speaker 1>is moving, a diaphragm in and out, and pushing air

0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:39.080
<v Speaker 1>around the ultrasonic emitter creates a column of the air

0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:41.680
<v Speaker 1>itself to act like a speaker, which is pretty nifty.

0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:48.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I meant spooky number nine. DNA hacking. So

0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:52.240
<v Speaker 1>back in two thousand and three, scientists finished mapping out

0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:56.200
<v Speaker 1>the human genome. But that was obviously just the beginning.

0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:56.720
<v Speaker 2>That's just.

0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:03.640
<v Speaker 1>A long list of base pairs. Next came the work

0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:08.159
<v Speaker 1>to examine the genome closely and determine which base pairs.

0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:10.400
<v Speaker 2>In the more than three billion.

0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Pairs that make up the human genome are responsible for

0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:20.000
<v Speaker 1>different stuff like our possibility of developing a disease, for example,

0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:22.720
<v Speaker 1>Because if you could determine that, and if you could

0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:26.720
<v Speaker 1>determine a way of changing that part of the DNA

0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:31.320
<v Speaker 1>so that it's eliminated, maybe you could make someone not

0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.440
<v Speaker 1>develop that disease. You could potentially wipe out certain diseases.

0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.720
<v Speaker 1>And beyond that, what about hacking the human genome so

0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:42.720
<v Speaker 1>that we can create designer human beings, human beings who

0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:46.600
<v Speaker 1>have traits that we considered to be superior. Now that's

0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:51.200
<v Speaker 1>the stuff of lots of science fiction and horror cautionary tales.

0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:55.200
<v Speaker 1>Stuff like Gatica saying yeah, but who gets to decide

0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:58.560
<v Speaker 1>what is superior and what happens to people who aren't

0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.880
<v Speaker 1>able to take advantage of that technology, and what happens

0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:04.280
<v Speaker 1>to the people who do take advantage of that technology.

0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:07.960
<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of ethical questions around it. However,

0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:11.960
<v Speaker 1>beyond that, there are other scary things to consider. DNA

0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:16.840
<v Speaker 1>hacking could allow for individually focused biological warfare. So imagine

0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:19.920
<v Speaker 1>that you're living in a world and someone can get

0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:23.920
<v Speaker 1>access to your DNA. Maybe they get a skin sample

0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:26.320
<v Speaker 1>or some hair or something. They're able to get something

0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:28.840
<v Speaker 1>from you that has traces of your DNA in it,

0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:31.280
<v Speaker 1>and they're able to analyze your DNA and see what

0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:35.480
<v Speaker 1>makes you you and look for any vulnerabilities. Maybe they

0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:38.080
<v Speaker 1>find out that you have a predisposed weakness to a

0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:41.880
<v Speaker 1>particular type of virus, and then they engineer a virus

0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:45.040
<v Speaker 1>to attack you specifically. That was actually the premise of

0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:48.319
<v Speaker 1>a twenty twelve article in the Atlantic, and that article

0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:50.560
<v Speaker 1>hypothesized a future in which the president of the United

0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:53.560
<v Speaker 1>States could be targeted and assassinated through the use of

0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:57.920
<v Speaker 1>a particularly nasty virus that was tailor made for the president.

0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:02.439
<v Speaker 1>Yikes or imagine more than that, maybe a widespread plague.

0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Les Stephen King's the stand engineered through a deep understanding

0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:10.960
<v Speaker 1>of DNA paired with a really crappy containment strategy. So

0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:14.000
<v Speaker 1>how realistic is all of that, Well, in a short term,

0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:18.760
<v Speaker 1>it's probably not terribly realistic. It's certainly pausible, but not

0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:23.200
<v Speaker 1>necessarily plausible. But it does require a deep understanding of

0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:26.079
<v Speaker 1>DNA and a means to manipulate it easily in order

0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:29.240
<v Speaker 1>to pay it off. We've seen some advances in those areas.

0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:31.760
<v Speaker 1>There are a lot more ways that we can manipulate

0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:35.400
<v Speaker 1>DNA than there used to be, but it's not exactly

0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:39.240
<v Speaker 1>easy to do. It's easy, yer, but that's a matter

0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.280
<v Speaker 1>of degrees. However, you can make a convincing argument that

0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:46.000
<v Speaker 1>it would not require too deep and understanding to cause

0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:50.120
<v Speaker 1>real harm unintentionally, and that would be a very difficult

0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:53.480
<v Speaker 1>argument to counter. And while DNA hacking could produce all

0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:57.760
<v Speaker 1>sorts of different futuristic results, we do already have a

0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:02.360
<v Speaker 1>culture of biohackers also sometimes known as grinders, who have

0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:06.480
<v Speaker 1>taken body alteration to new places. These folks are not

0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:10.959
<v Speaker 1>working on a DNA level. They're not changing themselves fundamentally

0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:15.280
<v Speaker 1>in that way. Instead they're doing alterations, you know, upgrades.

0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:18.920
<v Speaker 1>So one example would be there are people who have

0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:22.720
<v Speaker 1>chosen to have small magnets implanted under the skin of

0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:28.480
<v Speaker 1>their fingertips. So these little nubby magnets sticking out on

0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:31.920
<v Speaker 1>their fingertips. It's kind of weird, right, Well, what's the

0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:34.760
<v Speaker 1>purpose of that. Well, because of the effects of magnetism

0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:38.160
<v Speaker 1>and electromagnetism, they would actually be able to sense when

0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:41.560
<v Speaker 1>they were near magnetic or electromagnetic fields. So it'd be

0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:44.720
<v Speaker 1>kind of like Spider Man's spidy sense. They'd feel tugging

0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:48.199
<v Speaker 1>on their fingertips as they pass through it. So instead

0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:51.600
<v Speaker 1>of detecting danger like Spider Man would, you'd be able

0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:54.520
<v Speaker 1>to tell like whether or not electricity was flowing through

0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:57.160
<v Speaker 1>a conductor, for example, because you could bring your fingers

0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:59.719
<v Speaker 1>close to that conductor. Maybe it's some wires. You bring

0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:03.280
<v Speaker 1>a thing close and if you start feeling the pulses

0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:09.000
<v Speaker 1>from an alternating magnetic field, a fluctuating magnetic field, that

0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.920
<v Speaker 1>would tell you, oh, electricity, alternating current is flowing through here,

0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:14.640
<v Speaker 1>because I can feel it in my fingertips. That would

0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:16.800
<v Speaker 1>be something you normally would not be able to feel

0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:19.800
<v Speaker 1>so you kind of have a sixth sense due to

0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:22.440
<v Speaker 1>having these magnets implanted in your fingertips. And people have

0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:26.080
<v Speaker 1>actually done this. However, a word of caution. From what

0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:31.040
<v Speaker 1>I understand, these operations are pretty painful. They usually are

0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:36.760
<v Speaker 1>not done with anesthetic. There's not really a place you

0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:42.079
<v Speaker 1>can go that's medically licensed to do this because it's

0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:46.040
<v Speaker 1>not a standard medical procedure. As far as I know,

0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:49.440
<v Speaker 1>there are no accredited medical facilities that do it. I

0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:53.200
<v Speaker 1>think any doctor who did practice this would have the

0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:57.680
<v Speaker 1>danger of being barred from practice. So you're usually talking

0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:02.679
<v Speaker 1>about entrepreneuring body modify cation specialists, you know, like piercers,

0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:06.040
<v Speaker 1>who will do this kind of operation. And anytime you're

0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:09.360
<v Speaker 1>talking about introducing something foreign to the body, you're also

0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:13.240
<v Speaker 1>raising other risks like infection, so you've got to be

0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:16.560
<v Speaker 1>super duper careful about that kind of thing. In other words,

0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:20.080
<v Speaker 1>you're not gonna find me putting magnets under my fingertips

0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:25.640
<v Speaker 1>anytime soon. Number eight on the list cyber war who boy.

0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:27.880
<v Speaker 2>Well.

0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:31.400
<v Speaker 1>The scenario of the article specifically lays out is an

0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:35.800
<v Speaker 1>all out cyber warfare attack where one nation targets another

0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:40.400
<v Speaker 1>nation's infrastructure, like its power grid system or water system,

0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:43.839
<v Speaker 1>and sure enough, the US Department of Homeland Security has

0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:47.000
<v Speaker 1>reported that there's lots of evidence to show that various

0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:51.640
<v Speaker 1>hackers have infiltrated critical infrastructure with such tactics like Russian

0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:56.000
<v Speaker 1>hackers and the things like power plants and gas pipelines,

0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:59.360
<v Speaker 1>and that's terrifying. And before that report had even made

0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:02.960
<v Speaker 1>the news, that was in twenty eighteen, security experts have

0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:06.520
<v Speaker 1>for years been warning that Chinese hackers have been infiltrating

0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:10.400
<v Speaker 1>American infrastructure. CNN reported on that back in twenty fourteen.

0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:13.320
<v Speaker 1>So this is not exactly a new story. It's a

0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:19.000
<v Speaker 1>continuing story that continues to be really problematic and concerning.

0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:22.480
<v Speaker 1>So the infiltration part is a reality. We know for

0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:27.160
<v Speaker 1>a fact hackers from other countries have infiltrated various systems.

0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:31.120
<v Speaker 1>There have been traces found of their activities, so we

0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:34.880
<v Speaker 1>know that there have at least been people snooping around

0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:38.120
<v Speaker 1>our systems. Whether or not they've installed anything to help

0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:41.400
<v Speaker 1>shut stuff down as another matter, but they've definitely been there,

0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:43.920
<v Speaker 1>and they appear to have been there from places like

0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:48.640
<v Speaker 1>Russia and China. That does not automatically mean that the

0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:52.080
<v Speaker 1>infiltration was state directed. In other words that it was

0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:57.320
<v Speaker 1>a government backed project, but that seems to be The

0:13:57.400 --> 0:14:01.960
<v Speaker 1>general consensus is that these were lifely the activities of

0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:06.600
<v Speaker 1>a state back group of hackers. What about shutting everything down?

0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:10.199
<v Speaker 1>Is that realistic? Well, it could be more challenging to do,

0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:15.160
<v Speaker 1>but not necessarily impossible. Many utilities have started installing self

0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:19.160
<v Speaker 1>healing systems. A self healing system isn't quite as cool

0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:21.560
<v Speaker 1>as it sounds like. It's not like it's Wolverine in

0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:25.160
<v Speaker 1>infrastructure form, but it does involve having a system that

0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:32.120
<v Speaker 1>when it detects problems automatically tries to reroute services to

0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:34.200
<v Speaker 1>get around those problems. So with a power grid, it

0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:37.560
<v Speaker 1>might be if a smart power grid system detects that

0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:40.840
<v Speaker 1>there's a short for some reason, or there's a break

0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:43.880
<v Speaker 1>in connectivity at some point, it may try to reroute

0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:47.120
<v Speaker 1>power to work around that as much as possible. That

0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:50.760
<v Speaker 1>could help confound a cyber warfare attack a little bit.

0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:54.160
<v Speaker 1>At least it might mitigate the impact of an attack,

0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:59.280
<v Speaker 1>though preventing one entirely maybe not. But then there are

0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:02.560
<v Speaker 1>also attacks on other systems, not just power grids and

0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.720
<v Speaker 1>water and gas, which are all scary enough. But there's

0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:09.720
<v Speaker 1>the evidence that showed Russian hackers were targeting election systems

0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:12.280
<v Speaker 1>in the United States leading up to the twenty sixteen elections.

0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:14.560
<v Speaker 1>I talked about this in a recent episode of Tech Stuff,

0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:16.280
<v Speaker 1>so I'm not going to go all the way through

0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:19.200
<v Speaker 1>it again. But the really insidious thing about those attacks

0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:21.800
<v Speaker 1>is they don't even have to be super successful to

0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:25.840
<v Speaker 1>be effective. If you can so doubt in the minds

0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:29.520
<v Speaker 1>of a nation's citizens as to the validity of any

0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:32.680
<v Speaker 1>given election, you have undermined the very foundation of that

0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:35.680
<v Speaker 1>nation's government. A government that doesn't have the confidence of

0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:39.640
<v Speaker 1>its population is on shaky ground and has to move

0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:43.080
<v Speaker 1>more and more towards totalitarianism in order to maintain power.

0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:46.840
<v Speaker 1>If you don't have any confidence that your system works,

0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:50.560
<v Speaker 1>then you don't have any confidence in your government at all.

0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:54.440
<v Speaker 1>So cyber war is something that is continuing right now.

0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:58.880
<v Speaker 1>It is actually happening. It is already in place. And

0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:01.560
<v Speaker 1>obviously I've given examples of how the US has been

0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:05.080
<v Speaker 1>the target of cyber warfare, but don't forget the US

0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:07.640
<v Speaker 1>has engaged in it too. We're not, you know, the

0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:10.400
<v Speaker 1>United States has not been just the poor victim in

0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:13.520
<v Speaker 1>all these cases. The United States has certainly played a

0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:18.600
<v Speaker 1>hand in cyber warfare activities. One example would be Stuck's Net,

0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:22.800
<v Speaker 1>the computer virus that was designed to sabotage uranium enrichment

0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:26.840
<v Speaker 1>facilities in Iran. So this is not something that everyone

0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:29.120
<v Speaker 1>else is doing and the United States is the victim.

0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:31.200
<v Speaker 1>This is something that everyone is doing as much as

0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:34.880
<v Speaker 1>they can and stepping it up as much as they can. Well,

0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:37.400
<v Speaker 1>we have a lot more scary technology to talk about,

0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.920
<v Speaker 1>but I need to have a sip of tea to

0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:43.280
<v Speaker 1>comfort myself, so let's take a quick break to thank

0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:55.320
<v Speaker 1>our sponsor. Number seven is the technological singularity. Now, out

0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:58.400
<v Speaker 1>of all the science fiction ideas I find particularly interesting,

0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:01.920
<v Speaker 1>this one ranks near the top of them. The singularity

0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:04.959
<v Speaker 1>refers to a general concept that could be brought about

0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:07.760
<v Speaker 1>in several different ways, but from a very high level,

0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:11.480
<v Speaker 1>the idea goes something like this. Imagine that technology has

0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:14.720
<v Speaker 1>advanced to the point that the newest stuff coming out

0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:20.040
<v Speaker 1>is already designing the next generation of stuff. And imagine

0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:23.120
<v Speaker 1>that the gaps between these generations are getting smaller and smaller,

0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:25.919
<v Speaker 1>and eventually you reach a point where the present is

0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:28.800
<v Speaker 1>defined by constant change, and that's the only way you

0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:32.840
<v Speaker 1>can define it, because things change so quickly. It is

0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:36.399
<v Speaker 1>almost impossible to describe the present in any coherent way.

0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:40.240
<v Speaker 1>That's how quickly everything is evolving. The thing that would

0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:45.080
<v Speaker 1>fuel this would be the emergence of superhuman intelligence in

0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:50.199
<v Speaker 1>most of the scenarios that involve the technological singularity. However,

0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:56.880
<v Speaker 1>that would not necessarily require just a computer AI. That's

0:17:56.920 --> 0:18:01.000
<v Speaker 1>one possible version is pure artificial intelligen that has superhuman

0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:05.160
<v Speaker 1>capabilities in processing information. This is your basic deep thought

0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:08.359
<v Speaker 1>from Hitchicker's Guide to the Galaxy or Skynet from the

0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:12.080
<v Speaker 1>Terminator that scenario. This would be a scenario in which

0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:15.080
<v Speaker 1>we humans have created an AI so powerful we are

0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:17.960
<v Speaker 1>unable to control it, and then it goes on to

0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:20.800
<v Speaker 1>redefine our world in ways that we could not anticipate

0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:23.600
<v Speaker 1>because we cannot operate on the same level as this

0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:27.600
<v Speaker 1>superhuman intelligence. But that is not necessarily the only pathway

0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:31.880
<v Speaker 1>to the technological singularity. Another way might be that humans

0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:34.880
<v Speaker 1>find a way to boost our own intelligence, and thus

0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:38.399
<v Speaker 1>we evolve beyond what we traditionally think of as being human.

0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:41.560
<v Speaker 1>We might do this through a deeper understanding of biology.

0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:44.560
<v Speaker 1>We could boost our intelligence that way, going back to

0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:47.040
<v Speaker 1>the concept of DNA hacking and things related to that,

0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:51.439
<v Speaker 1>or it might involve using technology to create cyborg like

0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:55.919
<v Speaker 1>beings where we merge with technology on some level and

0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:59.400
<v Speaker 1>with tech and biology working together, we boost our intelligence

0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:02.639
<v Speaker 1>to new level and achieve superhuman intelligence that way. So

0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:07.320
<v Speaker 1>bottom line, is this a possibility, Well, it beats me.

0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:09.640
<v Speaker 1>But there are a lot of super smart people who

0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:12.359
<v Speaker 1>are on either side of this issue. So some people

0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:16.639
<v Speaker 1>say the singularity is essentially a foregone conclusion. It will happen,

0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:19.719
<v Speaker 1>The only question is when will it happen. But there

0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:22.679
<v Speaker 1>are other people who say there might be some fundamental

0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:26.760
<v Speaker 1>barriers that were not likely to get over, and those

0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:30.800
<v Speaker 1>barriers will block the singularity from ever happening. One of

0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:37.199
<v Speaker 1>the frequent criticisms of various singularity scenarios is that a

0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:39.959
<v Speaker 1>lot of it rests on the belief that we're going

0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:42.840
<v Speaker 1>to see progress continue on a pace that's similar to

0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:48.280
<v Speaker 1>what Moore's law has observed with computer processing power, and

0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:51.720
<v Speaker 1>the thing is that pace may not be realistic or sustainable,

0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:56.080
<v Speaker 1>or even applicable to some technologies. So Moore's law applies

0:19:56.200 --> 0:20:01.119
<v Speaker 1>to the processing power of computers generally speaking, but it

0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:03.520
<v Speaker 1>may not apply to other elements that would be necessary

0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:07.800
<v Speaker 1>to bring about superhuman intelligence, because processing power by itself

0:20:07.920 --> 0:20:11.040
<v Speaker 1>is not intelligence. You also have to have the software side.

0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:12.560
<v Speaker 1>You've got a lot of other pieces that have to

0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:16.320
<v Speaker 1>be in place. However, if it is possible, it could

0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:19.080
<v Speaker 1>very well mean the end of the human race as

0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:22.680
<v Speaker 1>we know it today. Now that doesn't necessarily mean it's

0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:26.040
<v Speaker 1>the end of humanity entirely. It just may mean that

0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:29.800
<v Speaker 1>humanity will transition into something different, So it could be

0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:33.800
<v Speaker 1>a new beginning. It's not necessarily the end of everything,

0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:41.919
<v Speaker 1>but still spooky. Number six Google Glass, I mean that

0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:46.959
<v Speaker 1>was the number on the article Google. You remember Google Glass,

0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:51.360
<v Speaker 1>the augmented reality glasses. Back when Chris and Dave were

0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:55.080
<v Speaker 1>working on this article, Google glass was still a real thing.

0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:59.400
<v Speaker 1>It was poised to become an actual consumer product outside

0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:03.280
<v Speaker 1>of the relative small sample of bleeding edge adopters aka

0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:07.320
<v Speaker 1>glass holes. We were sometimes called that because I was

0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:09.520
<v Speaker 1>one of them. I had a pair of Google Glass.

0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:14.320
<v Speaker 1>The glasses were part augmented reality headset, part user interface

0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:17.280
<v Speaker 1>for the world around you. They included a camera which

0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:19.840
<v Speaker 1>could pull in information, and a bluetooth chips so the

0:21:19.840 --> 0:21:23.600
<v Speaker 1>glasses could communicate with a paired mobile device, and through

0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:27.080
<v Speaker 1>that mobile device, the glasses could also pair information like

0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:31.280
<v Speaker 1>GPS coordinates, So these glasses, while giving you potentially incredible

0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:34.480
<v Speaker 1>access to information about the world around you, could also

0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:37.560
<v Speaker 1>gather information about the world around you for the benefit

0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:41.800
<v Speaker 1>of Google. And suddenly this company could potentially access information

0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:44.800
<v Speaker 1>from cameras mounted on faces all over the world. And

0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:48.680
<v Speaker 1>the glasses also had microphones, because you know, you could

0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:52.520
<v Speaker 1>use voice commands to make your glasses do stuff. But

0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:55.480
<v Speaker 1>that also meant that in theory, Google could listen in

0:21:55.640 --> 0:21:58.360
<v Speaker 1>as well, not just see everything, but hear everything, which

0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:01.160
<v Speaker 1>raises some big privacy concer not just for the people

0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:04.960
<v Speaker 1>wearing the glasses, but for everyone around those people. And

0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:08.520
<v Speaker 1>Google makes money with information, so you would effectively be

0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:12.040
<v Speaker 1>generating product for Google to sell by wearing a pair

0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:14.879
<v Speaker 1>of those glasses and walking around everywhere. Google would be

0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:18.400
<v Speaker 1>the head of a big surveillance state, far more invasive

0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:22.720
<v Speaker 1>than a network of closed circuit cameras if such technology

0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:27.400
<v Speaker 1>was used unethically. And while Google Glass is now far

0:22:27.480 --> 0:22:30.160
<v Speaker 1>more limited in its rollout, you know you only see

0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:33.840
<v Speaker 1>it in a few industries. At this point, the company

0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:36.120
<v Speaker 1>Google is still very much in the business of knowing

0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:40.160
<v Speaker 1>where its customers are. In August twenty eighteen, numerous tech

0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:43.439
<v Speaker 1>journals reported on a study that was conducted by Douglas C.

0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:47.560
<v Speaker 1>Schmidt of Venderbilt University that say said that a stationary

0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:51.560
<v Speaker 1>Android phone running Chrome in the background would ping Google

0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:54.800
<v Speaker 1>servers with location data three hundred and forty times in

0:22:54.840 --> 0:22:57.399
<v Speaker 1>a twenty four hour period. Even if you turn the

0:22:57.440 --> 0:23:00.639
<v Speaker 1>location history feature off of the phone, the phones were

0:23:00.680 --> 0:23:04.439
<v Speaker 1>still sending location data back to Google, according to the study. Google,

0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:06.600
<v Speaker 1>by the way, has disputed the findings of this study.

0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:10.879
<v Speaker 1>Then there are the numerous personal assistant devices that are

0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:14.680
<v Speaker 1>out there, including Google Home, that also are always listening

0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:17.480
<v Speaker 1>for commands. And of course that's just Google. There are

0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:20.520
<v Speaker 1>other companies out there, like Apple and Amazon that also

0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:23.919
<v Speaker 1>have technologies similar to these. All of these could be

0:23:24.040 --> 0:23:27.679
<v Speaker 1>monitoring users and sending data back so that the companies

0:23:27.880 --> 0:23:31.520
<v Speaker 1>might later exploit that information for profit, usually to sell

0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:34.240
<v Speaker 1>you stuff to advertise directly to you. But that's still

0:23:34.240 --> 0:23:37.639
<v Speaker 1>pretty creepy, right. Even if the companies are not actively

0:23:37.760 --> 0:23:41.639
<v Speaker 1>exploiting that information, the fact that the data could be

0:23:41.640 --> 0:23:45.199
<v Speaker 1>transmitted and recorded at all is problematic, though again I

0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:48.000
<v Speaker 1>should say the companies generally say they do not record

0:23:48.119 --> 0:23:50.880
<v Speaker 1>user data in that way. So whew, that's a relief, right.

0:23:51.440 --> 0:23:56.480
<v Speaker 1>Number five drones. Drones are legit creepy. Many drones have

0:23:56.600 --> 0:24:01.280
<v Speaker 1>cameras mounted on them. That does allow potential filmmakers unprecedented

0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:04.840
<v Speaker 1>access and capabilities. Now, a low budget film can have

0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:08.679
<v Speaker 1>the equivalent of an expensive crane shot. It's a fraction

0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:11.359
<v Speaker 1>of what it would cost to rent and operate a

0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:14.760
<v Speaker 1>film crane with all the associated personnel, the safety features,

0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:17.479
<v Speaker 1>all that kind of stuff. You could reduce all that

0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:20.320
<v Speaker 1>down to an operator and a drone and it would

0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:22.440
<v Speaker 1>be much less expensive. But it also means a drone

0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:26.000
<v Speaker 1>operator who's using one of these devices could use it

0:24:26.240 --> 0:24:29.840
<v Speaker 1>to do stuff like peeping, super darn creepy, to be

0:24:29.920 --> 0:24:34.120
<v Speaker 1>spying on neighbors and stuff. That's just the consumer technology

0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:39.000
<v Speaker 1>version of drones that is already troubling. But then you

0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:42.640
<v Speaker 1>have to remember there's also tons of military grade drones

0:24:43.119 --> 0:24:45.960
<v Speaker 1>and they're being used to do everything from surveillance work

0:24:46.200 --> 0:24:51.679
<v Speaker 1>to active strikes on military targets. Weaponized drones, these drones

0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:54.560
<v Speaker 1>may be semi autonomous or completely under the control of

0:24:54.600 --> 0:24:58.560
<v Speaker 1>an operator who's potentially hundreds of miles away. They greatly

0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:03.160
<v Speaker 1>extend the surveillance case abilities of various government agencies and divisions,

0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:06.600
<v Speaker 1>from military to law enforcement. In the United States, Congress

0:25:06.640 --> 0:25:09.960
<v Speaker 1>passed a bill in twenty twelve giving the Federal Aviation

0:25:10.080 --> 0:25:14.200
<v Speaker 1>Administration or FAA, the authority to drop rules for commercial

0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:18.320
<v Speaker 1>and police drones in US airspace. The FAA hasn't been

0:25:18.480 --> 0:25:22.399
<v Speaker 1>super fast to share that information. That prompted the Electronic

0:25:22.440 --> 0:25:27.280
<v Speaker 1>Frontier Foundation or EFF to sue the FAA under the

0:25:27.280 --> 0:25:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Freedom of Information Act to at least share a list

0:25:30.560 --> 0:25:34.199
<v Speaker 1>of the public entities in private drone manufacturers that applied

0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:36.320
<v Speaker 1>to fly drones in the United States, as well as

0:25:36.359 --> 0:25:40.960
<v Speaker 1>thousands of pages related to license applications. But the FAA didn't,

0:25:41.160 --> 0:25:45.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, explain how those entities were planning on using

0:25:46.200 --> 0:25:50.880
<v Speaker 1>the drones. So that's a problem. Number four three D printers. Well,

0:25:50.960 --> 0:25:53.840
<v Speaker 1>I just recently talked about maker Bot, and maybe you

0:25:53.880 --> 0:25:56.000
<v Speaker 1>think the scariest thing about three D printers is that

0:25:56.040 --> 0:25:58.359
<v Speaker 1>they could lead to minor burns as you try to

0:25:58.359 --> 0:26:01.280
<v Speaker 1>deal with melting plastic. In fact, there are other things

0:26:01.280 --> 0:26:05.240
<v Speaker 1>to worry about as well, like fake ATM facades. See

0:26:05.240 --> 0:26:08.480
<v Speaker 1>back in twenty eleven, some thieves used a three D

0:26:08.600 --> 0:26:11.720
<v Speaker 1>printer to create a false front for an ATM terminal,

0:26:12.000 --> 0:26:16.480
<v Speaker 1>and they installed a skimmer on some ATMs, so unsuspecting

0:26:16.520 --> 0:26:19.560
<v Speaker 1>customers would come up and it would look like a

0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:25.000
<v Speaker 1>real ATM front that you couldn't necessarily tell immediately that

0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:28.399
<v Speaker 1>there was a projection on there that was a false front.

0:26:28.960 --> 0:26:32.960
<v Speaker 1>So they would put their their ATM card into this.

0:26:33.280 --> 0:26:38.040
<v Speaker 1>They would then type in their pin and meanwhile the

0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:41.920
<v Speaker 1>skimmer was actually scanning the data on the card and

0:26:42.040 --> 0:26:44.840
<v Speaker 1>recording it with the pen and allowing the thieves to

0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:47.920
<v Speaker 1>steal more than four hundred thousand dollars in the process.

0:26:48.840 --> 0:26:50.720
<v Speaker 1>And you know, all it took was a three D

0:26:50.760 --> 0:26:56.840
<v Speaker 1>printer to create that convincing ATM facade. In twenty thirteen,

0:26:56.880 --> 0:26:59.720
<v Speaker 1>a guy named Cody Wilson made headlines when he published

0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:03.280
<v Speaker 1>five else for his three D printed Liberator handgun, which

0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:07.200
<v Speaker 1>fired three eighty ammunition. That scared a ton of people

0:27:07.560 --> 0:27:10.760
<v Speaker 1>because it means that anyone who had access to a

0:27:10.800 --> 0:27:14.480
<v Speaker 1>three D printer and the appropriate materials could have the

0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:18.280
<v Speaker 1>opportunity to make an untraceable weapon. There'd be no background

0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:21.080
<v Speaker 1>check required because you just print the thing out. And

0:27:21.119 --> 0:27:24.560
<v Speaker 1>it also raised other possible problems if the plastic were

0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:28.080
<v Speaker 1>not of a sufficiently good enough quality. It could mean

0:27:28.119 --> 0:27:31.200
<v Speaker 1>that the printed gun would not contain the explosive reaction

0:27:31.680 --> 0:27:34.879
<v Speaker 1>properly when you fire the bullet, so it could end

0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:37.119
<v Speaker 1>up breaking apart in a person's hand, causing injury to

0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:39.840
<v Speaker 1>the person holding the gun. So even if the person

0:27:40.080 --> 0:27:42.280
<v Speaker 1>who had printed the three D gun did so as

0:27:42.359 --> 0:27:45.280
<v Speaker 1>kind of just a proof of concept and they're firing at,

0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:50.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, just a paper target, there's the possibility that

0:27:50.359 --> 0:27:55.520
<v Speaker 1>the gun itself could explode or fracture as part of

0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:58.520
<v Speaker 1>this if it weren't made out of sufficiently strong material,

0:27:58.840 --> 0:28:01.960
<v Speaker 1>and severe injury could follow. Cody Wilson, I should add,

0:28:01.960 --> 0:28:04.679
<v Speaker 1>has recently been in the news again. He resigned his

0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:08.280
<v Speaker 1>role as director of Defense Distributed, the company that he

0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:10.800
<v Speaker 1>used to promote the design and distribution of three D

0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:16.040
<v Speaker 1>principle gun files. It's unrelated to the gun side of things,

0:28:16.560 --> 0:28:21.040
<v Speaker 1>so that organization still exists and continues to push Wilson's

0:28:21.160 --> 0:28:25.480
<v Speaker 1>vision even without Wilson at the helm. I've got some

0:28:25.520 --> 0:28:28.760
<v Speaker 1>more spooky things to talk about, but I grow tired,

0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:31.679
<v Speaker 1>so I need the goal and drink some blood, and

0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:36.240
<v Speaker 1>by blood, I mean oh grade t I'll be right

0:28:36.280 --> 0:28:47.760
<v Speaker 1>back after this word from our sponsors. Number three driverless cars.

0:28:48.360 --> 0:28:48.880
<v Speaker 1>This is a.

0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:51.320
<v Speaker 2>Still a big worry.

0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:55.720
<v Speaker 1>Back when Chris and Dave were writing this, driverless cars

0:28:55.720 --> 0:29:00.120
<v Speaker 1>were still kind of coming out of the very very

0:29:00.160 --> 0:29:04.720
<v Speaker 1>limited testing situations. Google was the best known version. But

0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:10.719
<v Speaker 1>now we actually have some at least some rudimentary automated

0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:14.960
<v Speaker 1>car systems out there in the real world, like Tesla's autopilot,

0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:20.560
<v Speaker 1>which has contributed to some notable accidents, including a fatality.

0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:26.200
<v Speaker 1>Tesla has said that this system was not meant to

0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:32.360
<v Speaker 1>be used as a driverless car solution, but people have

0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:35.440
<v Speaker 1>still done it because you hear a word like autopilot

0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:38.480
<v Speaker 1>and you want to test it out. I guess so

0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:42.280
<v Speaker 1>that has been an issue. It has raised concerns that

0:29:42.360 --> 0:29:47.400
<v Speaker 1>perhaps this autonomous car technology is nowhere near ready for

0:29:47.600 --> 0:29:50.720
<v Speaker 1>full rollout, which I think most companies that are working

0:29:50.720 --> 0:29:54.320
<v Speaker 1>on the technology would say is correct. They're still working

0:29:54.560 --> 0:29:58.600
<v Speaker 1>on the tech to make it a reality. There have

0:29:58.640 --> 0:30:01.880
<v Speaker 1>been a lot of of a lot of stories published

0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:08.640
<v Speaker 1>about various problems, philosophical problems that you need to resolve

0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:12.959
<v Speaker 1>in order to make a consistent and predictable autonomous car solution,

0:30:13.320 --> 0:30:17.080
<v Speaker 1>one of them being the infamous trolley problem. The basic

0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:20.560
<v Speaker 1>version of the trolley problem is that you've got out

0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:25.920
<v Speaker 1>of control trolley. It's going down some tracks, and there's

0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:29.640
<v Speaker 1>a switch that will allow you to change the pathway

0:30:29.760 --> 0:30:34.040
<v Speaker 1>of the trolley. And if the trolley continues where it's

0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:37.440
<v Speaker 1>path where it's going now, it's going to collide with

0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:40.680
<v Speaker 1>a group of people. If you throw the switch, it

0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:43.560
<v Speaker 1>will change the direction of the trolley and it will

0:30:43.560 --> 0:30:46.840
<v Speaker 1>collide with one person. Do you throw the switch? If

0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:51.200
<v Speaker 1>you do nothing, then maybe you feel like I'm not involved.

0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:56.360
<v Speaker 1>Therefore my decision did not affect anybody. It just played

0:30:56.360 --> 0:30:58.080
<v Speaker 1>out the way it was going to play out. If

0:30:58.080 --> 0:31:01.160
<v Speaker 1>I throw the switch, is that I'm actively condemning that

0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:03.320
<v Speaker 1>other person to death? Other people would say no, by

0:31:03.400 --> 0:31:07.760
<v Speaker 1>not choosing, you've actively chosen to condemn the first group

0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:11.360
<v Speaker 1>to death. There are variations of this problem. Maybe you say,

0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:15.280
<v Speaker 1>all right, well you've got a choice. You can not

0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:17.920
<v Speaker 1>throw a switch, which means the out of control trolley

0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:22.000
<v Speaker 1>will eventually come to a stop, but everyone in the

0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:24.640
<v Speaker 1>trolley is going to die as a result of this accident.

0:31:25.080 --> 0:31:27.160
<v Speaker 1>Or you can throw the switch and the trolley will

0:31:27.240 --> 0:31:30.120
<v Speaker 1>hit somebody, but the trolley will stop and everyone who's

0:31:30.160 --> 0:31:33.880
<v Speaker 1>in the trolley will survive. So either you actively kill someone,

0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:36.000
<v Speaker 1>but everyone in the trolley lives. Or you don't do

0:31:36.080 --> 0:31:38.280
<v Speaker 1>anything and everyone in the trolley dies, but the person

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:42.120
<v Speaker 1>who is just innocently crossing the pathway they live. These

0:31:42.800 --> 0:31:45.640
<v Speaker 1>sort of ethical problems are things that people talk about

0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:49.280
<v Speaker 1>and debate amongst themselves, but it turns out to be

0:31:49.320 --> 0:31:53.040
<v Speaker 1>an actual practical problem when you're designing autonomous car systems,

0:31:53.080 --> 0:31:56.400
<v Speaker 1>because eventually you have to build in some sort of

0:31:56.440 --> 0:32:00.360
<v Speaker 1>decision making system for a car in the event that

0:32:00.920 --> 0:32:07.120
<v Speaker 1>it encounters a non avoidable car accident, that all the

0:32:07.280 --> 0:32:10.200
<v Speaker 1>problems have aligned in such a way that there is

0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:14.640
<v Speaker 1>no possible outcome in which there isn't a car accident.

0:32:14.680 --> 0:32:18.000
<v Speaker 1>So what does the car do? Does it behave in

0:32:18.040 --> 0:32:20.920
<v Speaker 1>a way that preserves the life of the person writing

0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:22.360
<v Speaker 1>in the car? Does it behave in a way that

0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:24.640
<v Speaker 1>preserves the life of the people in the surrounding area.

0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:27.160
<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of tough questions to answer, so

0:32:27.320 --> 0:32:30.640
<v Speaker 1>MIT published a paper from a quiz called the Moral Machine.

0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:33.840
<v Speaker 1>This quiz was designed to find out what people thought

0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:37.400
<v Speaker 1>should be given priority in these situations, and it was

0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:42.760
<v Speaker 1>distributed globally across social media platforms. They recorded forty million

0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:47.800
<v Speaker 1>ethical decisions in total global preference had certain consistencies. By

0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:52.320
<v Speaker 1>the way, generally speaking, people prefer to spare human lives

0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:55.240
<v Speaker 1>over animal lives. So if you had an option where

0:32:55.800 --> 0:32:58.840
<v Speaker 1>you can make a choice, but this animal will die

0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:00.400
<v Speaker 1>as a result, or you can make it vo or

0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:03.080
<v Speaker 1>that human will die, people would say, well, it's a shame,

0:33:03.120 --> 0:33:07.840
<v Speaker 1>but I'd rather choose where the animal dies. Also, people

0:33:08.120 --> 0:33:10.840
<v Speaker 1>in general would choose to spare more lives rather than

0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:13.840
<v Speaker 1>fewer lives. So in my example with the group of

0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:16.760
<v Speaker 1>people versus the one person, more people would feel comfortable

0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:19.480
<v Speaker 1>with the one person losing their life as opposed to

0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:22.840
<v Speaker 1>the group of people. Also, people in general want to

0:33:22.880 --> 0:33:27.200
<v Speaker 1>spare children's lives more than adult lives, So this really

0:33:27.240 --> 0:33:30.640
<v Speaker 1>just showed people's preferences and ethical decisions. However, the study

0:33:30.760 --> 0:33:34.200
<v Speaker 1>authors stated that experts really should be the ones to

0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:37.800
<v Speaker 1>make the final call when designing these algorithms, that just

0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:42.280
<v Speaker 1>going by public preference alone may not be their best decision. However,

0:33:42.600 --> 0:33:46.400
<v Speaker 1>another thing to remember is that in twenty sixteen, thirty

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:51.320
<v Speaker 1>seven thousand people died from car accidents. If driverless cars

0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:55.440
<v Speaker 1>can reduce that number year by year, if we can

0:33:55.920 --> 0:33:58.760
<v Speaker 1>find a way to make driverless cars more reliable so

0:33:58.840 --> 0:34:02.959
<v Speaker 1>that it reduces the overall number of fatal accidents. That

0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:07.160
<v Speaker 1>would be an incredible thing and it would definitely be

0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:11.840
<v Speaker 1>a good argument in support for autonomous cars. It is, however,

0:34:12.080 --> 0:34:15.040
<v Speaker 1>that there possible that there's a psychological barrier of a

0:34:15.080 --> 0:34:18.200
<v Speaker 1>machine quote unquote causing deaths, and that that could be

0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:21.080
<v Speaker 1>enough to screw things up, because while you might be

0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:24.839
<v Speaker 1>able to statistically state fewer people died because there were

0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:27.560
<v Speaker 1>autonomous cars, the fact that the cars were autonomous and

0:34:27.600 --> 0:34:32.560
<v Speaker 1>then people died has a psychological effect. You're thinking, oh,

0:34:32.640 --> 0:34:37.160
<v Speaker 1>it's a machine killing a person. Number two geoengineering, So

0:34:37.239 --> 0:34:40.399
<v Speaker 1>this is the use of science and technology to quote

0:34:40.480 --> 0:34:43.360
<v Speaker 1>unquote hack the planet. This is one of those ideas

0:34:43.400 --> 0:34:47.000
<v Speaker 1>that's meant to help counteract problems like climate change. So

0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:50.840
<v Speaker 1>the scientific consensus tells us, yes, there is climate change,

0:34:51.040 --> 0:34:54.240
<v Speaker 1>and yes it is largely due to human causes, chiefly

0:34:54.320 --> 0:34:56.680
<v Speaker 1>the increase of CO two in the atmosphere along with

0:34:56.719 --> 0:35:01.600
<v Speaker 1>other greenhouse gasses. So by creating technologies designed to capture

0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:04.440
<v Speaker 1>and sequester carbon dioxide so that it's not in the

0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:10.480
<v Speaker 1>atmosphere anymore, we could help slow or maybe even stop

0:35:10.840 --> 0:35:14.680
<v Speaker 1>the process of climate change. But the thing is, we

0:35:14.800 --> 0:35:18.759
<v Speaker 1>don't know for sure that some of these proposals would

0:35:18.840 --> 0:35:23.279
<v Speaker 1>work or what the other consequences of those actions might be.

0:35:24.000 --> 0:35:26.879
<v Speaker 1>One of the well, some of the proposed methods would

0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:28.520
<v Speaker 1>definitely have nasty consequences.

0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:29.080
<v Speaker 2>We know that.

0:35:29.280 --> 0:35:33.400
<v Speaker 1>So, for example, one possibility would be, let's put some

0:35:34.000 --> 0:35:36.840
<v Speaker 1>more iron in the oceans in order to spur algae

0:35:36.920 --> 0:35:42.239
<v Speaker 1>blooms to soak up carbon dioxide, which that could help

0:35:42.280 --> 0:35:45.200
<v Speaker 1>you could actually soak up CO two from the atmosphere. However,

0:35:46.000 --> 0:35:50.279
<v Speaker 1>that would also have a huge negative impact on the

0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:53.280
<v Speaker 1>ocean itself. You would create dead zones in the ocean

0:35:53.320 --> 0:35:56.920
<v Speaker 1>because of this algae bloom, and that means messing up

0:35:56.920 --> 0:36:00.480
<v Speaker 1>a really complicated ecosystem that lots of lifeforms to depend upon,

0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:03.960
<v Speaker 1>including life forms that aren't you know, directly in the ocean,

0:36:04.200 --> 0:36:08.440
<v Speaker 1>So you would have a ripple effect. Fittingly enough, since

0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:10.920
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about water, you could have die offs happening

0:36:11.040 --> 0:36:15.160
<v Speaker 1>other places in the world that are a result of this,

0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:18.920
<v Speaker 1>and you know, not even places where there are oceans,

0:36:18.920 --> 0:36:24.760
<v Speaker 1>So unintended consequences could be really, really nasty. Another tactic

0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:29.000
<v Speaker 1>besides trying to capture CO two is to find ways

0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:31.800
<v Speaker 1>to reflect more of the Sun's energy back off into

0:36:31.840 --> 0:36:34.720
<v Speaker 1>space without it getting absorbed by the Earth and then

0:36:34.960 --> 0:36:39.040
<v Speaker 1>emitted back into the ris's atmosphere. The message here is

0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:41.719
<v Speaker 1>that the cure could end up being worse or at

0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:44.880
<v Speaker 1>least just as bad as the disease, though in a

0:36:44.920 --> 0:36:47.560
<v Speaker 1>different way. And ultimately we'd be taking a lot of

0:36:47.600 --> 0:36:51.279
<v Speaker 1>potentially irreversible actions without a full appreciation of what was

0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:58.520
<v Speaker 1>going to happen. However, if we employ these responsibly and carefully,

0:36:58.960 --> 0:37:02.000
<v Speaker 1>it's likely that we could use them as part of

0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:05.680
<v Speaker 1>an overall plan to help reduce climate change. Experts warn

0:37:05.800 --> 0:37:08.640
<v Speaker 1>us that these are not magic bullets. These are not

0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:14.560
<v Speaker 1>going to miraculously reverse the course that we've seen over

0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:18.799
<v Speaker 1>the last few decades. They would at best be a

0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:25.160
<v Speaker 1>good additional strategy along with reducing our carbon dioxide emissions,

0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:28.440
<v Speaker 1>that would be our most important action to take. We

0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:31.000
<v Speaker 1>can't just assume that we're going to come up with

0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:35.319
<v Speaker 1>a technological solution that will allow us to continue to

0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:40.440
<v Speaker 1>behave the way we've been behaving and magically erase the

0:37:40.480 --> 0:37:44.880
<v Speaker 1>consequences of those actions. That's just not a realistic outlook

0:37:45.040 --> 0:37:48.359
<v Speaker 1>at this point. Number one on the list from Chris

0:37:48.400 --> 0:37:53.040
<v Speaker 1>and Dave was Internet surveillance, which kind of ties back

0:37:53.080 --> 0:37:56.520
<v Speaker 1>into that Google problem I mentioned earlier, but it goes

0:37:56.640 --> 0:38:00.919
<v Speaker 1>well beyond that. So Internet surveillance comes in all forms, right,

0:38:01.520 --> 0:38:05.120
<v Speaker 1>the social media we use, when we do our actions

0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:07.480
<v Speaker 1>on there, all of that's getting tracked. All of that

0:38:07.600 --> 0:38:10.759
<v Speaker 1>is going into various tech boxes based on our profiles,

0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:15.560
<v Speaker 1>so that we are encountering the ads that are closest

0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:17.719
<v Speaker 1>tied to our behavior, so that we have the most

0:38:18.680 --> 0:38:21.080
<v Speaker 1>the most incentive to click on those ads or to

0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:23.960
<v Speaker 1>act on them in some way, thus benefiting the company

0:38:24.000 --> 0:38:26.600
<v Speaker 1>that makes the social platform as well as the company

0:38:26.600 --> 0:38:30.440
<v Speaker 1>that's doing the advertising, and whatever company is ultimately in

0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:33.080
<v Speaker 1>charge of the product or service that is being advertised.

0:38:33.800 --> 0:38:36.600
<v Speaker 1>So there's that there are companies like Google that are

0:38:37.040 --> 0:38:40.920
<v Speaker 1>taking this to extremes, tracking all sorts of behaviors for

0:38:41.000 --> 0:38:43.200
<v Speaker 1>all sorts of stuff, so that whenever we're doing searches,

0:38:43.239 --> 0:38:47.360
<v Speaker 1>we're also getting served up search results that are catered

0:38:47.520 --> 0:38:50.759
<v Speaker 1>to us more and more, which in some ways is good,

0:38:51.120 --> 0:38:53.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, you're getting stuff that is more relevant to you,

0:38:53.800 --> 0:38:56.520
<v Speaker 1>and in other ways comes across as super creepy because

0:38:57.160 --> 0:39:00.520
<v Speaker 1>it means that there's this enormous corporation out there that

0:39:00.840 --> 0:39:03.839
<v Speaker 1>might know you better than you know yourself, and that's

0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:07.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of worrisome. But then you have other things like

0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:11.560
<v Speaker 1>the NSSA, which a couple of years ago is famously

0:39:11.600 --> 0:39:15.879
<v Speaker 1>revealed that the NSSA was tapping into all sorts of

0:39:15.960 --> 0:39:22.520
<v Speaker 1>different communication tools to spy on communications between lots of

0:39:22.520 --> 0:39:26.920
<v Speaker 1>different people in an effort to promote national security. But

0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:30.640
<v Speaker 1>you could argue it was also a huge violation of

0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:34.920
<v Speaker 1>people's expectation of privacy and that it also took almost

0:39:34.920 --> 0:39:40.880
<v Speaker 1>a presumed guilty approach and applied it to absolutely everybody

0:39:40.960 --> 0:39:45.759
<v Speaker 1>who uses these forms of communication, from cellular phones to

0:39:46.920 --> 0:39:51.400
<v Speaker 1>website traffic to all sorts of stuff. Then you have hackers,

0:39:51.920 --> 0:39:57.120
<v Speaker 1>either state back to hackers who are working to spy

0:39:57.320 --> 0:40:01.520
<v Speaker 1>on behalf of a government or independent hackers who are

0:40:01.560 --> 0:40:04.200
<v Speaker 1>just trying to gather as much information as possible to

0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:07.960
<v Speaker 1>exploit it. Maybe that information is your bank account, or

0:40:08.000 --> 0:40:10.759
<v Speaker 1>maybe it's your social Security number, it could be all

0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:13.160
<v Speaker 1>sorts of stuff, but ultimately they're doing it so they

0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:16.160
<v Speaker 1>can make money and they have no real concern about

0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:21.320
<v Speaker 1>what happens to you and your information. Information is valuable,

0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:26.239
<v Speaker 1>whether it's for a government to try and protect itself

0:40:26.480 --> 0:40:29.680
<v Speaker 1>or the citizens that it represents. Ideally, we would like

0:40:29.680 --> 0:40:31.440
<v Speaker 1>to at least se a government try to protect the

0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:37.319
<v Speaker 1>people it represents. Maybe that's being naive, or if it's

0:40:37.360 --> 0:40:40.439
<v Speaker 1>a you know, a corporation that's doing this in order

0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:43.000
<v Speaker 1>to make a profit, or a hacker that's doing this

0:40:43.080 --> 0:40:45.600
<v Speaker 1>in order to make a profit in an even more

0:40:45.680 --> 0:40:50.480
<v Speaker 1>unethical way than the corporations are. Information is valuable. It's

0:40:50.480 --> 0:40:52.720
<v Speaker 1>also a good reminder of why you should do stuff

0:40:52.760 --> 0:40:55.399
<v Speaker 1>like use VPNs when you can so that you can

0:40:55.440 --> 0:41:00.279
<v Speaker 1>protect your activities from prying eyes and not have to

0:41:00.320 --> 0:41:04.560
<v Speaker 1>worry quite so much about your every move being spied upon.

0:41:05.640 --> 0:41:09.600
<v Speaker 1>Don't use public Wi fi, especially to do anything sensitive.

0:41:10.160 --> 0:41:15.480
<v Speaker 1>You know, be careful, be responsible with your browsing activities

0:41:16.239 --> 0:41:20.880
<v Speaker 1>so that you limit the ways that you can be exploited.

0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:23.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying don't make use of these various platforms

0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:26.480
<v Speaker 1>social media. I'd be a hypocrite if I did. I

0:41:26.600 --> 0:41:30.840
<v Speaker 1>use them all the time. Just know what you're getting

0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:34.839
<v Speaker 1>into and be aware of what could potentially happen. If

0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:38.800
<v Speaker 1>you're comfortable with those consequences, I say, you're all good.

0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:41.600
<v Speaker 1>If you're not, then you need to think about ways

0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:45.239
<v Speaker 1>you can change your behavior. Whether it's using VPNs or

0:41:45.320 --> 0:41:48.880
<v Speaker 1>backing off on using the Internet as much, or whatever

0:41:48.880 --> 0:41:52.719
<v Speaker 1>it may be, so that you feel you're using technology

0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:56.240
<v Speaker 1>to benefit you as opposed to having other people receive

0:41:56.280 --> 0:42:01.000
<v Speaker 1>a benefit because of you don't be used. In other words,

0:42:01.520 --> 0:42:03.640
<v Speaker 1>now as I say that, I think you should also

0:42:03.640 --> 0:42:05.440
<v Speaker 1>go to tea public dot com slash tech Stuff. We

0:42:05.480 --> 0:42:07.520
<v Speaker 1>got a merchandise store. It's awesome. You can go buy

0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:12.000
<v Speaker 1>stuff and every purchase helps the show. Again. Hypocrite, I know,

0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:16.759
<v Speaker 1>but that's why spooky. Hey guys, if you want to

0:42:16.760 --> 0:42:18.760
<v Speaker 1>get in touch with me and talk about how scared

0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:22.919
<v Speaker 1>you are after this spooky episode, you can go over

0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:26.719
<v Speaker 1>to tech stuff podcast dot com. That's our website. You'll

0:42:26.719 --> 0:42:29.960
<v Speaker 1>find all the contact information there. Check it out, and

0:42:30.520 --> 0:42:41.239
<v Speaker 1>I will haunt you again really soon. Tech Stuff is

0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:45.799
<v Speaker 1>an iHeartRadio production. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the

0:42:45.840 --> 0:42:49.480
<v Speaker 1>iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your

0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:53.800
<v Speaker 1>favorite shows.