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Speaker 1: Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. Relative to Eliza Fletcher's case,

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Speaker 1: new details have risen we want to discuss those. Joining

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Speaker 1: me right now is Jackie Howard, Executive producer for Crime

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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Jackie, We've had a few things

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Speaker 1: that have kind of popped up on our radar relative

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Speaker 1: to the disappearance of Eliza Fletcher, and I just want

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Speaker 1: to touch base with those very briefly in an update

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Speaker 1: for body Bags. What are we looking at right now?

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Speaker 1: Eliza Fletcher went missing after going jogging on Friday morning.

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Speaker 1: She did not return and the search began for this

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Speaker 1: thirty four year old heiresson teacher. The first things that

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Speaker 1: were checked in the investigation and for this mom was

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Speaker 1: local CCTV. What does that show us, Joe of note,

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Speaker 1: what came out on CCTV is this image, kind of

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Speaker 1: grainy of a GMC Terrain, which is a mid sized

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Speaker 1: suv and according to the authorities, they were able to

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Speaker 1: pick up on what appeared to be Miss Fletcher being

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Speaker 1: violently moved into this vehicle and then after a short

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Speaker 1: period of time the vehicle left out of view. The

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Speaker 1: vehicle has been found, the ownership has come back to

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Speaker 1: a local man in Memphis, and relative to that vehicle

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Speaker 1: she was in there. Uh, there's a couple of things

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Speaker 1: that we need to think of. Uh. First off, anytime

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Speaker 1: you're inside of a motor vehicle like this and you're

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Speaker 1: talking about a death investigation, one of the things you're

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Speaker 1: gonna look for our bits of trace evidence, particularly as

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Speaker 1: they arise from carpet fibers, and if the seats in

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Speaker 1: the vehicle are not leather, for instance, or some form

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Speaker 1: of leather like a vinyl, if they are woven as well,

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Speaker 1: and get fabric off of the seats and that will

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Speaker 1: attach itself to the human remains. Now they have, we understand,

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Speaker 1: at this point in time, recovered remains the remains of

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Speaker 1: Eliza Fletcher just a very short distance away from where,

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Speaker 1: first off, the vehicle is found and where this suspect resided.

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Speaker 1: And additionally, the police have also recovered a dumpster that

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Speaker 1: was immediately adjacent to the apartment complex where this person

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Speaker 1: of interest resided. So you've got a lot of trace

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Speaker 1: evidence that they're going to be going through. And I

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Speaker 1: think one of the biggest tells that I've seen on

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Speaker 1: the news is the fact that you can see them

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Speaker 1: flat bedding away this dumpster, and that gives me an

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Speaker 1: indication that they are going to take this thing back

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Speaker 1: to the impound yard and possibly if they have evidence

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Speaker 1: garage there in Memphis, and they're going to piece by

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Speaker 1: piece take out everything that is contained within this dumpster.

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Speaker 1: It's filthy, dirty work, but you have to cover everything

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Speaker 1: in there. Allegedly, what has been stated is that the

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Speaker 1: suspect and may have been witnessed cleaning this GMC terrain

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Speaker 1: vehicle and perhaps throwing away the remnant of what he

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Speaker 1: had cleaned up into this dumpster. His clothing may be

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Speaker 1: involved in this as well, which means that you can

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Speaker 1: have trace evidence from any person that was in that

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Speaker 1: vehicle back on the alleged perpetrators person. What's also going

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Speaker 1: to be key is any kind of remnant that is

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Speaker 1: left behind on the body of the deceased that they've

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Speaker 1: recovered in this wooded area, any kind of transfer evidence

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Speaker 1: relative to body fluids, certainly, any kind of fiber evidence.

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Speaker 1: You have to be very very careful with the body

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Speaker 1: that's in this environment because you don't know what has

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Speaker 1: attached itself to the clothing perhaps or to the skin

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Speaker 1: or the hair, So you have to make sure that

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Speaker 1: when the body is handled, um, that you're going to

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Speaker 1: be very careful not to lose any kind of trace

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Speaker 1: evidence at all, because it will just fall away. As

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Speaker 1: a matter of fact. You know, if you've got strong

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Speaker 1: storms that are passing through, you've got strong winds that

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Speaker 1: are passing through. Anything can compromise the viability of the evidence.

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Speaker 1: So they have to be careful. And once the body

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Speaker 1: is actually back at the more they will probably spend

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Speaker 1: as much time collecting trace evidence off of the body

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Speaker 1: or where they suspect trace evidence might be as they

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Speaker 1: will doing an actual autopsy, and just you know, kind

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Speaker 1: of balance that out in your mind because they're trying

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Speaker 1: to be so very careful in this case because anything

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Speaker 1: is a potential tie back. I mentioned fiber evidence, but

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Speaker 1: there's also a chel for DNA evidence, which is again,

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Speaker 1: as we all know, very very fragile. It has to

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Speaker 1: have to really take their time with this case. I

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Speaker 1: would anticipate that just the entirety of this examination will

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Speaker 1: take several hours more than likely. We're seeing the advances

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Speaker 1: in technology come to play here too. Obviously, the video

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Speaker 1: that captured her kidnapping, and it showed us that the

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Speaker 1: vehicle after she was forced inside, stayed in that location

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Speaker 1: for about four minutes. But police also found a sandal

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Speaker 1: nearby and they immediately tested for d n A on

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Speaker 1: the scene. Yeah, and that's something I think, what's a

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Speaker 1: fascinating about it in this case, and it's kind of

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Speaker 1: it kind of gives you an idea from a technology

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Speaker 1: standpoint where we are right now in as opposed to

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Speaker 1: where we were even maybe a year ago, two years ago,

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Speaker 1: because they were able to turn this around really really quickly.

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Speaker 1: The reason this individual that I have alluded to is

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Speaker 1: a suspect is because they got hit on the DNA

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Speaker 1: they were able to tie that back to this individual

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Speaker 1: almost immediately, and so that gives you an indication that

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Speaker 1: somehow they were either able to get suspect DNA from

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Speaker 1: the subject or they were in a database. And you know,

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Speaker 1: immediately you begin to think, wow, that's that's mind boggling

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Speaker 1: because it's all happened within twenty four hours. And apparently

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Speaker 1: in the struggle that the sandal that you had mentioned

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Speaker 1: is what's referred to as a slide, where it's not

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Speaker 1: like a regular flip flop it's just kind of one

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Speaker 1: of these things that you can slide your feet into,

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Speaker 1: and this was left behind. They were able to get

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Speaker 1: d n A off of this item, and that's a

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Speaker 1: very you know, it's a personal area. You know, you

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Speaker 1: cells that are sloughing off and sweat and anything else

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Speaker 1: that's contained within those little nooks and crannies of the sandal.

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Speaker 1: You slip your foot in there and immediately you're kind

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Speaker 1: of populating that area with your d n A every

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Speaker 1: time you slip your foot into that shoe where and

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Speaker 1: so when the police collect this thing and they got

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Speaker 1: this kind of identifier where they saw the vehicle at

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Speaker 1: that location, they were able to recover that sandal that

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Speaker 1: was apparently left behind and then tied back to a

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Speaker 1: specific individual, is quite striking. I think you also have

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Speaker 1: the fact that the phones, hers and the perpetrators were

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Speaker 1: both linked to the same area at the same time.

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Speaker 1: And then obviously we've got the vehicle with the plates. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the plates are are fine and great because they are

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Speaker 1: a specific identifier. But the world that we live in

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Speaker 1: now with these digital signatures everywhere you go, uh, and

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Speaker 1: there's been a couple of these cases that have come up,

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Speaker 1: I think the most prominently, I think in my recent

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Speaker 1: memory the Gooch case out of New Mexico in Arizona

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Speaker 1: where we had the airmand that had killed the Mennonite woman.

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Speaker 1: Those two phones were essentially traveling in tandem. And when

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Speaker 1: you have a case where you you have two individuals

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Speaker 1: that have never had potentially any other contact before prior

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Speaker 1: to this, and their phones are kind of in the

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Speaker 1: same location, they might be traveling in tandem. That's going

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Speaker 1: to be a big tell for the investigators moving forward.

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Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body Backs