Speaker 1: Did. He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys
Speaker 1: on the our war room for incenter news and draft
Speaker 1: analysis from deep within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at
Speaker 1: the Star in Fresco, Dallas Cowboys Select Elliot and now
Speaker 1: your hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman, and Brian brought us. Well,
Speaker 1: we welcome you to the SWBC Mortgage Studios. You got
Speaker 1: the Draft show. Brian brought us here with Dane Brugler,
Speaker 1: David Hellman, King Garrison, Executive Producing. Why don't I start
Speaker 1: off the show bad pre show? Why don't I let
Speaker 1: people make me mad? That's just a thing that you
Speaker 1: do in life, like you just let people get you mad.
Speaker 1: You're easily riled. You're gonna set up for a nice
Speaker 1: show though, you got the fire in you. It's a
Speaker 1: good thing. Yeah, No, I you know what at not again,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm watching people out there talk about what they
Speaker 1: would do at nineteen and what they wouldn't do. And
Speaker 1: you know, and I respect what you're saying. You wouldn't
Speaker 1: take an offensive lineman at nineteen. I wouldn't philosophy to
Speaker 1: set this up. This is the argument we're having in
Speaker 1: the studio before the show. Yeah, I mean Brian, Brian
Speaker 1: and a number of people are very vocal in their
Speaker 1: belief that an offensive guard would be a good call
Speaker 1: at the nineteenth overall. Yeah. And then there's the other
Speaker 1: side of that argument that Dane tends to fall more on,
Speaker 1: that says it's not the best value in the world
Speaker 1: and there's got to be something better you could do,
Speaker 1: not for this team that has so many other weaknesses.
Speaker 1: Offensive line's already strength, and I would argue that the
Speaker 1: bigger need for this team is a swing tackle. I mean,
Speaker 1: I could make that argument, could you Okay, if I
Speaker 1: said you could take mcclinchy at nineteen, would you do that.
Speaker 1: I'm not as high mcclinchy. I don't be a tackle.
Speaker 1: Then if you're going to tell me if you're gonna
Speaker 1: if you're more Williams at nineteen, what are we dealing with? Boys?
Speaker 1: What do we do? You're acting like we're dealing with
Speaker 1: with Quentin Nelson? Oh no, no, no, Look, you know
Speaker 1: you got any Why why can't we not? And we
Speaker 1: focus on the players that are up and down on
Speaker 1: this board. You're saying people focus too much on the
Speaker 1: value position more so than just well, I wouldn't take it.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't take a guard at nineteen. But it's for
Speaker 1: the KA, it's for this team though it's not. But
Speaker 1: then you say a name of a guy that you
Speaker 1: don't really want at nineteen. Look, the thing is long term,
Speaker 1: what is best for this team. I do not think
Speaker 1: drafting a guard at nineteen is what's best for this team.
Speaker 1: I don't because I think you could find a guard
Speaker 1: elsewhere with the depth at wide receiver. Is it best
Speaker 1: to draft Ridley at nineteen? Oh, if you was there,
Speaker 1: I'm taking Ridley, yeah, no question. I don't know if
Speaker 1: the team would. So you feel like though that the
Speaker 1: definite need for this team is a wide receiver. It's
Speaker 1: not about definite need, it just it's I mean, why
Speaker 1: you arguing that. No, you're playing both sides because you're
Speaker 1: one reason you're saying guard is because of it's a
Speaker 1: definite need. It's not. I'm looking at nineteen and saying,
Speaker 1: and give me the names. The players are there, And
Speaker 1: again I go back to your argument when you when
Speaker 1: I when I bring up the name Vita Vea, which
Speaker 1: everybody in mock draft Land, it throws that name at
Speaker 1: the Cowboys Hurst Vita Vea. You know, and the first
Speaker 1: thing you say is, Brian, you like it more than me,
Speaker 1: You like it more than me. Yeah, where you going
Speaker 1: with this? I'm going I know exactly where he's going
Speaker 1: with this. Well, I mean, but but he's perplexed as
Speaker 1: to why you would draft a guy that you don't
Speaker 1: like that much at nineteen just instead of taking a
Speaker 1: position that could help your football team. When I say
Speaker 1: you like him more than me, it's you always say
Speaker 1: that because you liked them, like when we talk, that's fire,
Speaker 1: because he does the work. I have the utmost respect
Speaker 1: for you, which you like him as more of a
Speaker 1: when we talked about him before, you like him, no,
Speaker 1: more of a top ten player. Yeah, And that's because
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden I start catching up
Speaker 1: and seeing, okay, we're gonna go through some pet cats here.
Speaker 1: So your opinions changed in Viet Vea. Yeah, okay, but
Speaker 1: you know what I think that if you look at
Speaker 1: if you look at the defense to tackle group as
Speaker 1: the one technique's hole, you can pass on b to
Speaker 1: Vea and be okay, using your argument you like it
Speaker 1: more than me, Brian, you do. That's a fact. It
Speaker 1: is a fact, But that doesn't mean I don't like him. No,
Speaker 1: But then when he's when he's when everybody. The narrative though, is,
Speaker 1: but you know, it's kind of like taking taco. Brian
Speaker 1: wants you to be in love with whoever you're picking
Speaker 1: at nineteen. But the problem with that is I'd like
Speaker 1: for you to be in love with him, but the
Speaker 1: problem is the quality of the player. Yeah, am I
Speaker 1: right about that? Why would you not take the best
Speaker 1: player at nineteen? The goal of picking the number nineteenth pick?
Speaker 1: The number one goal should be to add the player
Speaker 1: who's gonna help your team the best for the long term.
Speaker 1: That should be the number one goal. And I do
Speaker 1: not believe that guard is that player you can find.
Speaker 1: Even even though the player is a better player, even
Speaker 1: though the player say better player than it does anybody
Speaker 1: that you want to select, It doesn't matter. The goal
Speaker 1: should be what is best for this team long term?
Speaker 1: What is best for this team long term? That is
Speaker 1: the notice one that's for this team long term? Is
Speaker 1: it to try and help the quarterback? I mean, is
Speaker 1: that also say that ultimately, what's gonna be the most
Speaker 1: expensive thing on our team? What if Ronald Jones is
Speaker 1: the best player on your board at nineteen, should you
Speaker 1: take him? No, you don't take him? Okay, here we
Speaker 1: saw it. We saw that play out just last year. FYI, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that happened last year. That kid went a terrible player
Speaker 1: at Minnesotaly got hurt. It's not just list your best
Speaker 1: nineteen players in the draft, regardless of position or anything.
Speaker 1: You're talking about the quality of the again, if you're
Speaker 1: taking players that you don't feel great about our board player, rude. No.
Speaker 1: Me saying that you like a player more than me
Speaker 1: does not mean I don't like the player. No, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, though you were just adamant about taking a
Speaker 1: player that potentially could be regardless of the position. You
Speaker 1: were adamant against it because when I do a draft board,
Speaker 1: it's not for this team. When I do a draft board,
Speaker 1: it is for I understand that. But when we talk
Speaker 1: about this team again, I want the best player at
Speaker 1: nineteen who's gonna be best for this team long term,
Speaker 1: and it might feel better about who. Do you feel
Speaker 1: better about Win or Vita Vea for this team. I'm
Speaker 1: taking Vita Okay. Now, Yes, I agree with you about
Speaker 1: your point about finding a nose tackle. Later i'd probably,
Speaker 1: I'd probably take a win. I agree with you. And
Speaker 1: you know what this this organization might hate Win. They
Speaker 1: might absolutely hat Win, and maybe they like her. Nandie
Speaker 1: is better. It's very possible. Maybe, hey, you know, and
Speaker 1: then let's let's not act like I mean, Hernande is
Speaker 1: in my board. Is the third best guard? Nelson Win, Hernandez.
Speaker 1: I think most people would agree. See, I you know
Speaker 1: the whole thing about it. At nineteen, I've said this,
Speaker 1: You're at the mercy of the board every pick you are,
Speaker 1: absolutely I think bait Like we can boil this down
Speaker 1: to the fact that Brian's frustrated that a sizable portion
Speaker 1: of people don't like the idea of drafting a guard.
Speaker 1: But then most of those people don't have a better
Speaker 1: idea ready to go. Well, yeah, and let me be
Speaker 1: clear about this. If the Cowboys come up at number
Speaker 1: nineteen and they drift to Zaiah Win, I will not
Speaker 1: be upset because Zaiah Win is a good player. Sure,
Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean I believe he was the best
Speaker 1: pick at that point. Again, I think I can find
Speaker 1: a guard who can again, but it's like I can
Speaker 1: find a one technique maybe yeah, Again, it's more of
Speaker 1: a it's not. This isn't about a right and wrong.
Speaker 1: This is more philip it's not. And you know, and
Speaker 1: and sometimes you have to your your philosophy. I was.
Speaker 1: I felt like I had to get out of the
Speaker 1: nineties scouting, you know. And we'll get into this whole
Speaker 1: thing with Bill Polian by the way, you know, and oh, well,
Speaker 1: you know, this is what I believe. I get it.
Speaker 1: He's a Hall of Fame general manager. I get it. Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you, seriously, we're gonna get to our pet cats. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: let's get to our pet cats. David, hell and give
Speaker 1: me your pet cats. I don't I want to talk
Speaker 1: about that. I don't think we've ever gone off the
Speaker 1: deep end so quickly into a show. I like, I
Speaker 1: just I you know what though, philosophy or what you
Speaker 1: know again, the philosophy everybody thinks, my god, we've got
Speaker 1: to do it this way, You've got to do it. Yet,
Speaker 1: we've got to do it, you know. And the beauty
Speaker 1: of it is probably when you're picking nineteen, you really
Speaker 1: don't have your your player, the quality of player. Why
Speaker 1: would you regardless of position, why would you not go
Speaker 1: get the best one at that regardless, it might not
Speaker 1: be what's best for this team. The beauty of this,
Speaker 1: like that's the point of this whole show is like
Speaker 1: I just you're making a mistake if you're approaching the
Speaker 1: draft with like a fixed mindset on almost anything. Like
Speaker 1: though I would not take a guard, the whole point
Speaker 1: of the draft is you need to be ready to adapt.
Speaker 1: You just said, like five minutes ago, you wouldn't pitch
Speaker 1: a fit. I would not take him, But again, I
Speaker 1: think Isaiah wins. Would you have a more problem with
Speaker 1: him or Taco as that pick. I feel better about
Speaker 1: Win because Wins a better player, So again I would
Speaker 1: not be upset. I would not throw a fit like
Speaker 1: last year with Tacco. Is more perplexing that there were
Speaker 1: better players on the board at the same position, the
Speaker 1: same position. Yeah, okay, well it's not like you know this.
Speaker 1: We're talking about the same position here and we're just
Speaker 1: differing on the player. We're talking about a position that
Speaker 1: they're gonna take that I don't think this is the
Speaker 1: reason why the Giants might not take a quarterback. That's
Speaker 1: why they might not take a running back. They don't
Speaker 1: draft running backs high traditionally, So what gentleman does on
Speaker 1: that one. Yeah, I mean if he takes, if he takes,
Speaker 1: if he takes Quentin Nelson. Okay, traditionally he isn't. Oh
Speaker 1: yeah I am. But traditionally he has not drafted offensive
Speaker 1: lineman high, so the Giants might not go in that direction.
Speaker 1: Same with same with quarterback. Giants are really a wild
Speaker 1: getting the best players for the respective team. Yes to Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's more than about just that saying. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook might have been the best player on the board.
Speaker 1: This team's never going to draft him, you know, that's
Speaker 1: we what We've talked about that already a few times.
Speaker 1: It's like it's best player available to taking that ram
Speaker 1: Chick a lot higher than the Saints did. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: best player available last year. Sure did, best player available
Speaker 1: within reason, you know, That's the whole thing. Which the
Speaker 1: beauty of it for the Cowboys is like nineteen, you
Speaker 1: could make a compelling argument for just about anybody that's
Speaker 1: going to be there. That's so I don't worry about
Speaker 1: it as much. I don't get as fired up about
Speaker 1: this because, like, if you want to take a plug
Speaker 1: and play guard, that's fine with me. If you want
Speaker 1: to take a nose tackle who could, if not start,
Speaker 1: at least be a regular part of the rotation. That's
Speaker 1: fine with me too. Like, I mean, you can make
Speaker 1: a pretty compelling case for just about anything that's going
Speaker 1: to happen. I think, I think we just don't want
Speaker 1: to box ourselves in. That's the whole exactly. That's I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna stop after some in general. I'm not some
Speaker 1: about the Dallas Cowboys. No. If I was running a
Speaker 1: war room right now, I would I would keep an
Speaker 1: open mind about this. I think I wouldn't sit there
Speaker 1: and act like I'm in nineteen seventy eight drafting player.
Speaker 1: You're screwing yourself if you're just like, we gotta do X,
Speaker 1: like whatever it is that you think you gotta do.
Speaker 1: If that's if you're leaving yourself one avenue of one
Speaker 1: rep whole idea. It's about getting the best players. That's
Speaker 1: the whole idea. And if you if you're if you're
Speaker 1: limiting yourself to getting the best players, then you're you're
Speaker 1: not drafting correctly. I'd say it's all about improving your
Speaker 1: football team in the best way possible. I agree, but
Speaker 1: those aren't always the same. You gotta strike that balance yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't. It can't just be about best player. No,
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying though it you can't just say, oh,
Speaker 1: because of the position, I'm not going to look at
Speaker 1: the guy, especially where they're picking. Yeah, you've got twelve
Speaker 1: first round grades. I think it's fourteen, that's five. You know,
Speaker 1: this is just this is just another iteration. If everybody
Speaker 1: in his in his gets picked, if all fourteen guys
Speaker 1: get picked ahead of us, we were taking a second
Speaker 1: round player, it's an entire right. Okay, we did it
Speaker 1: last year too. Wasn't a first sure, it's but it's
Speaker 1: just another wasn't the best player. That's my point though
Speaker 1: as well. No, we all agreed there. It's another iteration
Speaker 1: of Zeke verse Ramsey or botha. You know it's the same.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know that was a rare draft, those
Speaker 1: top five. Oh and I'm not I'm not picking tough.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the relative talent. But it's like, well,
Speaker 1: you can get a running back anywhere, why are you
Speaker 1: drafting a running back there, Bob, And like we're still debated.
Speaker 1: It's gonna play out over the next decade or so. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all I mean, it's more philosophical than absolutely someone's
Speaker 1: right and someone's wrong. And like I said, I think
Speaker 1: it's something that half the fans are gonna agree with you,
Speaker 1: half the fans will agree with me. It's something that
Speaker 1: is a worthy debate that we're going to be having
Speaker 1: up until draft day. Oh they're having this debate, or
Speaker 1: up until they add a garden free agency or add
Speaker 1: a tackling freedy. I'm I'm reluctant. I'm trying to think
Speaker 1: about how to help this quarterback because you know what
Speaker 1: this time when and we're likely gonna lose you. Next year,
Speaker 1: you'll be scouting somewhere. I know it. I just know it.
Speaker 1: You could go beat somebody else up, Dane. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, I am thinking this conversation next year will
Speaker 1: be about, well, should they look at a quarterback? Look
Speaker 1: at you're just writing Dacks twenty age. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying at twelve they should look at a quarterback?
Speaker 1: Could be yeah, yeah, that's the that's the no. And
Speaker 1: you're like, why did he fail? Why did he fail?
Speaker 1: Did we give him every opportunity to succeed? I'm reluctant
Speaker 1: to jump off the fence here, because I think in
Speaker 1: another month. I'm not saying there's gonna be like an
Speaker 1: all Pro guard in the fold. But like this, you know,
Speaker 1: we talk about all the time, this team's not done
Speaker 1: adding talent. Like I, if they don't have a left
Speaker 1: guard candidate before the draft, I'll be surprised. They're not
Speaker 1: going to go into the draft just needing a left guard.
Speaker 1: I'd agree with they're just not so well they for
Speaker 1: that matter, they might not be going in. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: might add they added a defensive tackle last year. It
Speaker 1: obviously didn't work out, but they did it, and so
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised to see him do it again
Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, I think the bigger need might even
Speaker 1: be a tackle. With you worry about a left tackle,
Speaker 1: the durability long term, You worried there anybody at nineteen
Speaker 1: you would take at tackle. No, not only that, but
Speaker 1: that goes back to philosophy again, because are you at
Speaker 1: the philosopher are you going to spend but are you
Speaker 1: going to spend a first round pick on a guy
Speaker 1: who ideally is your swing tackle? Yeah? Again, that's another conversation.
Speaker 1: I know, absolutely, and it's more like hopefully, I think
Speaker 1: we're bailed out by the fact that there aren't any candidates, right,
Speaker 1: I mean the highest guard or tackle on my board's
Speaker 1: Connor Williams down in like the late twenties. So I'm
Speaker 1: not taking a tackle. He's number one tackle on your
Speaker 1: board right now. Yeah, okay, and that's a mess. You're right,
Speaker 1: you're you're you're not wrong about that. And mcglinchey's spend
Speaker 1: mclinchey because I think like that he's I trust him
Speaker 1: more than Connor Williams. Sure, that's that sound crazy? No,
Speaker 1: I And I'm almost I would like to see them
Speaker 1: draft like a Tyrold Crosby in the second or third
Speaker 1: o Oregon, a guy that can help you a left
Speaker 1: guard iff needed, but he's yours. Also your swing tackle, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and you get some versatility there. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: there's so many different ways you can attack it, for sure. Um,
Speaker 1: you're pet cat. No no, no, no, no, no, we're
Speaker 1: gonna break. Okay, we're gonna whole. Yeah, No, that's gonna
Speaker 1: be I'm just gonna kick the other segment out that
Speaker 1: we were talking about. We do need to get in.
Speaker 1: I do pet cat talk maybe well in Twitter on
Speaker 1: the twenty early again, I appreciate everybody's comments and questions,
Speaker 1: and we'll get to Twitter on the tek has a
Speaker 1: fast twenty minutes. I didn't realize I could get that
Speaker 1: mad in twenty minutes, but I did at the drop
Speaker 1: of a hat. At a drop of hat, let's go
Speaker 1: to break. I promise you we'll do Twitter on the
Speaker 1: twenty and then we'll get into the pet cats because
Speaker 1: we got some you know, we got some elements of
Speaker 1: that I want to get to. And then I do
Speaker 1: want to get into Bill polian kiper the whole media
Speaker 1: scout thing. Okay, stay tune, we'll be back in the
Speaker 1: SWBC Morgan studios in just a minute. It can be
Speaker 1: hard to find the right resource for learning about important
Speaker 1: financial matters. You search how to build savings, you end
Speaker 1: up reading about the one weird ingredient from supermarkets that
Speaker 1: can make you taller. That's why Bank of America build
Speaker 1: Better Money Habits dot com, a safe little corner of
Speaker 1: the Internet for answering your financial questions. Full of simple
Speaker 1: videos and tips. Better Money Habits can show you how
Speaker 1: to make the most of your money without resorting to
Speaker 1: random searches that always seem to lead to unbelievable photos
Speaker 1: of childhood stars grown up. To learn more, visit Better
Speaker 1: Money habits dot com. What does it mean to be
Speaker 1: a Dallas Cowboys fan? It means you've got the passion
Speaker 1: and the heart to do your part supporting the Boys
Speaker 1: no matter what. That's why when the game's on the line,
Speaker 1: you're on your feet, whether you're at home or in
Speaker 1: the stands. Actually, you're more than a fan. You are
Speaker 1: a member of Cowboys Nation, and so is AT and
Speaker 1: T doing their part to keep you connected to America's
Speaker 1: team all season. Law AT and T is a proud
Speaker 1: member of Cowboys Nations. I Skull, Doctor Pepper and the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys go way back. They belonged together like Texas
Speaker 1: and football, Silver and Blue shotgun formations and Hail Mary's.
Speaker 1: Having a Cowboys football party without Doctor Pepper is like
Speaker 1: having Thanksgiving without the Cowboys. Basically, we wouldn't recommend it.
Speaker 1: So next time you have a tailgate, homegate, or whatever
Speaker 1: else kind of gate, wrap some ice called Doctor Pepper
Speaker 1: for you and your friends to enjoy. It's a Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys tradition. Doctor Pepper the one you crave to work
Speaker 1: this big land. You need equipment with values rooted as
Speaker 1: deep in Texas soil as you are like John Deer
Speaker 1: Compact tractors with a six year power train warranty h
Speaker 1: big features that help you work less so you have
Speaker 1: more time to do what you love. John Deer was
Speaker 1: first in the Texas fields, and we're proud to be
Speaker 1: on the field as the official agg and turf equipment
Speaker 1: of the Dallas Cowboys. Find Texas sized deals at my
Speaker 1: John Deer Dealer dot com. Slash football terms, conditions, exclusions
Speaker 1: and warranty limitations apply seem to love for details. This
Speaker 1: is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com draped show. Swboys are
Speaker 1: We're back here in the STBBC Mortgage Studios. Brian brought
Speaker 1: a Stain Burgler, David Hellman, KENK. Garrison Executive Producing. I
Speaker 1: do appreciate, I do appreciate you guys fight that we
Speaker 1: just let you yell at us now. I appreciate the
Speaker 1: back and forth war rooms. They call it a wor room.
Speaker 1: Use the word war for a reason. I had the
Speaker 1: utmost respect for these guys I'm sitting here with right now,
Speaker 1: but utmost respect for Kevin Turner and for Jeff cavan
Speaker 1: On those guys as well. You know, I said, this
Speaker 1: guy to my right, he could. He needs to be
Speaker 1: in the NFL. He needs to be scouting, he needs
Speaker 1: to be arguing with one of those general managers. You
Speaker 1: do need to do that one day. Maybe we'll see,
Speaker 1: all right, ever so modest, I hope, so, I really do.
Speaker 1: I hope it's this year. David Hellman. One of my
Speaker 1: favorite segments is Twitter on the twenty can't I jumped
Speaker 1: the gun? Go at it, Dave. As long as we're mad,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start. I'm gonna start off with a question
Speaker 1: from Michael that this is something that makes me mad.
Speaker 1: I'll see if y'all follow along with this. Gears, it's
Speaker 1: it's I've gotten it a few times, and there seems
Speaker 1: to be a prevailing line of logic from a few
Speaker 1: people that because the Cowboys are hosting, because the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are hosting the Flashville, they're gonna do something nuts. Just yeah,
Speaker 1: and for okay, for the record, I think that's stupid
Speaker 1: and very unlikely. So you don't want to go to
Speaker 1: the you don't want to go to the Jets? Pick
Speaker 1: at six? No, No, I really don't. Just for the record,
Speaker 1: I would I would like I would just like one
Speaker 1: example of anything that's happened in the last decade that
Speaker 1: suggests that the Cowboys would do that. I'm not taught.
Speaker 1: I don't care about Joey Galloway. That was twenty years.
Speaker 1: What about the going up and getting from fourteen to six?
Speaker 1: I mean, is that at fourteen or fifteen? I think
Speaker 1: it was fourteen fourteen years? I don't. I mean that
Speaker 1: was a move. I don't qualify that as like this
Speaker 1: crazy splash move. I mean that's an eight spot jump, right,
Speaker 1: I'm taught like splash like, I mean, what going up
Speaker 1: for a quarterback? What are you going up for? What
Speaker 1: are you even? Is jumping up six spots for Calvin
Speaker 1: Ridley a splash? I mean that's that's you know, that's
Speaker 1: not And you were right by the way Atlanta did jump.
Speaker 1: They jumped way high to get Julio Jones. I mean
Speaker 1: that's tom to it RAF thinking a little bit differently there,
Speaker 1: Does that seem like something this team would do? I
Speaker 1: don't think so. No, I don't think so either. I
Speaker 1: mean you look at it, and we tried to go
Speaker 1: up and the quality of player we were talking about,
Speaker 1: if you remember the show from Monday, was that we
Speaker 1: were thinking that it was going to be like you
Speaker 1: were going to get the linebacker from Virginia Tech. You
Speaker 1: were going to secure Uh, you could Vita Vea if
Speaker 1: you want to via Veta. That's I would consider using
Speaker 1: my second round pick to go up and get real
Speaker 1: Quan Smith. That's that's That's exactly who's died the draft
Speaker 1: last year. Philly, Philly. They didn't make a splash. They
Speaker 1: stayed put kind of picks. Well, they had one pick
Speaker 1: in the first round. They stayed put. Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: took Derek Barnett. They let the board fall to them,
Speaker 1: got a decent player. A decent player helped them win
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Yeah, this team does not need to
Speaker 1: make a splash just because it's in their backyard. I
Speaker 1: was gonna like, if you're gonna make a splash, it's
Speaker 1: because it's something you think you need, that you think
Speaker 1: you can do. I mean, Philly made a splash two
Speaker 1: years ago when the draft was in Chicago for wins. Okay,
Speaker 1: Chicago made a splash last year for Mitchell Trubisky, like
Speaker 1: Houston and I mean that type of stuff. It's usually
Speaker 1: something like in order for me to think it's like
Speaker 1: this crazy splash, I gotta think it's like a quarterback
Speaker 1: or you gotta be comming. I mean, if you're gonna
Speaker 1: go from nineteen to three to get Bradley Chubb, which, okay,
Speaker 1: I don't see that happening to y'all. Did you see
Speaker 1: your you see your buddying in Indie trait trying to
Speaker 1: get out of that spot for the right deal. Sure,
Speaker 1: but then then he didn't pack, guys, so he's got
Speaker 1: to sit there and pick Chubb. I think I think
Speaker 1: Chubb has got to be high on their list. Is
Speaker 1: he looking at quarterback at all? I don't know. It
Speaker 1: sounds like then, I mean, I don't think so. They're
Speaker 1: saying that the who is coming out of Vendi. It's positive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's like throwing with weighted balls. It's the most optimistic
Speaker 1: they've been in a while. But I also heard he
Speaker 1: was throwing and then they shut him down again, and
Speaker 1: then is he back throwing? We'll be We'll be there
Speaker 1: next week. You have to let a play out, I
Speaker 1: think if you're Indie. But regardless of this team, they're
Speaker 1: not going to make a splash just for the sake
Speaker 1: of making a splash. I'll entertain, I'll entertain Michael real
Speaker 1: quick though, Like, if they were going to do something
Speaker 1: just bats who who who would you do it for?
Speaker 1: Because we had that show. No, well, what you said
Speaker 1: Quintin Nelson? Oh, I know, but I mean Quintin Nelson.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, then you would go all the way
Speaker 1: up to try and get Quintin Nelson. I don't see.
Speaker 1: But but it's not but we were trying to Again,
Speaker 1: he's right about Roquan Smith, but that's not a splash
Speaker 1: to me. I'm talking about something really well, he's he's
Speaker 1: one of the best defensive players in this draft, right,
Speaker 1: But it's but I'm talking about a freaking like Myles
Speaker 1: Garrett was in the draft. Yeah, then you consider even
Speaker 1: using next year's one to go and get him because he's,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, a transcendent player, a guy that can
Speaker 1: really change the way you play defense and help you
Speaker 1: win ball games. I don't know if there is that
Speaker 1: guy in this draft. I like Braley Chubble a lot,
Speaker 1: he's not Miles Garrett. I like some of these offensive
Speaker 1: players like Quentin Neilson. Yeah, he's not that for im
Speaker 1: me at least, So I don't think there is unless
Speaker 1: it's one of the quarterback. I couldn't. Yeah, I couldn't
Speaker 1: see him doing it unless it was for a quarterback,
Speaker 1: And I don't see them doing that. I'd agree, So
Speaker 1: could they do it? Goes secure Ridley if they feel
Speaker 1: like that, If they feel like that, we talked about this.
Speaker 1: I mean I would trade my third to go up
Speaker 1: in fifty to fifteen. You want to go to Arizona
Speaker 1: at fifteen head of Baltimore, Yeah, exactly, get your wide receiver.
Speaker 1: If that constitute did that for Jess Bryant by then
Speaker 1: I'm making a splash. Yeah. I don't think that constitute is.
Speaker 1: I think they sit there and pick at nineteen. I
Speaker 1: would likely I would tend to agree or try to
Speaker 1: get out of it if that's possible. Go back and
Speaker 1: watch that show, though, I would encourage. Yeah, yeah, if
Speaker 1: he hadn't seen the show from Monday. Spencer wants to
Speaker 1: know this is a good one with you know, we're
Speaker 1: leaving for the combine in a few days. Uh. You
Speaker 1: know we talk about combine darlings, but what about a
Speaker 1: guy who you don't expect to have a good combine,
Speaker 1: who he still thinks a good player, like basically a
Speaker 1: guy with good tape who's not a workout warrior. I
Speaker 1: think there are a few. Um, have you looked at
Speaker 1: Royce Freeman, the running back from Oregon. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: he'd fallow that he would fallow in that category. You're
Speaker 1: absolutely right, he's not a He's not gonna be a
Speaker 1: workout warrior. Um, you know the I don't think he's
Speaker 1: gonna be poor in those workouts, but I think he's
Speaker 1: not going to be great either. DeShawn Hamilton from Penn
Speaker 1: State wide receiver who He's gonna be a four five
Speaker 1: five guy probably and in this draft, I mean he's
Speaker 1: probably a top three route runner, right. U saw Hubbard
Speaker 1: from Ohio State. Yeah, a lot of people thinking very
Speaker 1: highly of him, and he might just have okay numbers,
Speaker 1: but Ohio State will train hard. I mean those kids
Speaker 1: will be prepared. But do you think his numbers will
Speaker 1: be just kind of okay? Probably because I don't think
Speaker 1: he's that which yeah right, yeah, but a lot of
Speaker 1: bas like him. I mean, yeah, he's gonna play smart, instinctive,
Speaker 1: loses his hands, so yeah, I think he's in there.
Speaker 1: And then Chub, Yeah, I think more important for Nick
Speaker 1: Chub's gonna be the medicals making sure that knee's okay,
Speaker 1: had that big knee injury as a sophomore. I think
Speaker 1: one name that I think really fits this question is
Speaker 1: Josie Jewel. Yeah, because he's not gonna test really well,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't need to because on tape he's really good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the instincts are what you're buying with Josie Jewel. You know,
Speaker 1: we saw him against one on one with Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 1: That's a hard matchup for any line back, right, but
Speaker 1: Josie Joe kind of got exploited a little bit. But
Speaker 1: I mean there're se Quon Barkley type of backs in
Speaker 1: this league, so seeing his workout numbers will be interesting.
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's gonna do much to move
Speaker 1: the needle with this tape. You know, you feel good
Speaker 1: if you feel good about the tape. I don't think
Speaker 1: that combines is really going to persuade you from that.
Speaker 1: Jared wants to know, Um, what good names really good names?
Speaker 1: What position do you all think will be picked the
Speaker 1: most in the top fifty? Why? What a good question?
Speaker 1: People will value this receiver as you think I think
Speaker 1: wide receiver in corner. Yeah, because you look at it,
Speaker 1: it's it's not gonna be quarterbacks. We'll probably see five quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: maybe six running backs. Got a shot. Yeah, But I
Speaker 1: think when you and it goes to you know, the
Speaker 1: position that you carry most on the team as well,
Speaker 1: wide receivers and corners. So there's just there's more supply
Speaker 1: in this drafts with those positions. Plus they're both two
Speaker 1: of the strongest positions in this draft. The Phillips payin
Speaker 1: you love, you love this defensive tackle class. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, though, could could you could you see like
Speaker 1: four of those guys, we could easily see ten interior
Speaker 1: defensive tackles, interior defensive linement off the board and from
Speaker 1: the top. Oh no, I'm not top fifty. I'm thinking
Speaker 1: top hunt one hundred. I was just thinking about maybe
Speaker 1: four defensive tackles. It depends on like first, Payne Phillipeah
Speaker 1: Phillips a top fifty, Yes, okay, since there there's five, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's possible. But you look at wide receiver, Yeah, Ridley Moore,
Speaker 1: Kirk Miller, Sutton, Washington, Washington, Gallup. Maybe I said these
Speaker 1: wide receivers are You're gonna for a lot of people
Speaker 1: that people like Sutton, Yeah, you're gonna a different order,
Speaker 1: A big combine important for him. Yeah, and then a
Speaker 1: corner I mentioned, I think corner might be. I think
Speaker 1: corner is the answer, to be honest, Pink Denzel, Ward Hughes,
Speaker 1: Giant Aer, Alexander, Josh Jackson, Isaiah Oliver, Carlton Davis, Dante Jackson.
Speaker 1: I mean that's eight right there, who Award Fitzpatrick Hughes,
Speaker 1: Alexander Jackson, Carlton Davis. Yeah, I mean six right there
Speaker 1: that I have. Yeah, So I think corner is the answer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: black Ice wants to know who's avoid Yeah, no, don't
Speaker 1: drive on it. Who's a player you think is going
Speaker 1: to fly up the board and into the top fifteen
Speaker 1: who maybe we're not talking about right now, which the
Speaker 1: combine will do that for you, m top fifteen, which
Speaker 1: I think that James the obvious James, Yeah, Derwin, James's
Speaker 1: already there. Do you think he's already He's already there? Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying where mocks have had him go
Speaker 1: in has been kind of in that. I think it's
Speaker 1: more because people just don't know what to do with him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so like charge yourself a bunch of Needle and
Speaker 1: I've been guilty of this too. I'll just put him
Speaker 1: in not San Diego, La. But I think Derwin James
Speaker 1: is one of the top twelve players in this draft,
Speaker 1: so I'll give you and I don't think you like him.
Speaker 1: I think you like him. You got but you got
Speaker 1: Pierce above him. Say the name Daniels, the center from Iowa.
Speaker 1: You can go top fifteen. I'm just saying, if somebody
Speaker 1: is thinking about an offense, you know we've had in
Speaker 1: the past, like Florida State, what was a Florida State
Speaker 1: guy that didn't Detroit take a cinner? Cameron Irving, Cameron Irving, Cleveland, Cleveland,
Speaker 1: it was that Cleveland. Yeah, let's not bring up that wound.
Speaker 1: Well though, that was a you know, but yeah, it
Speaker 1: was a sinner though, right, Yeah, he's terrible and they
Speaker 1: traded him to Chiefs for like a fifth throng pick.
Speaker 1: But see, that's what I'm saying, thoughts, he's a he's
Speaker 1: a better player than Irving, though I think I mean
Speaker 1: not oh yeah, yeah, yeah, but but could it could win?
Speaker 1: Could your guy Billy Price could when those sinners go
Speaker 1: up the board and we're not really talking about in
Speaker 1: a draft without a lot of blue chip guys. You're
Speaker 1: talking about two quote unquote hate using the word, but
Speaker 1: safe players. Yeah, guys that you feel great about the
Speaker 1: person in the player that you're getting h plug and play,
Speaker 1: and you have a position filled for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 1: So I don't think those are crazy names. That makes
Speaker 1: some sense. I'd still be surprised if either one went
Speaker 1: top fifteen, but I could see the I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: just looking for a name of a guy you talked
Speaker 1: about all those corners though as well. What about Drawn Pain.
Speaker 1: I don't think we talked about him as much as
Speaker 1: a top fifteen, but he's yeah, he's gonna test. Well.
Speaker 1: You didn't even put him in your tackle list right
Speaker 1: there a minute ago. I don't know. I did. I did, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had, I had him, I had, Yeah, Phillips Pain.
Speaker 1: I think we talked about him more as a back half,
Speaker 1: a round one player, right. He could easily go top fifty,
Speaker 1: He could go top ten. It wouldn't surprise me at all.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah too. But if you watch him playing those
Speaker 1: the playoff game in National Championship, if you just had
Speaker 1: those two games, those two games could sway you easily. Yeah, easily,
Speaker 1: Like those two games could sway you. But you watch
Speaker 1: the rest of the work, you're kind of going, come on, man,
Speaker 1: win a little more. Those are the first two games
Speaker 1: you start with. You always want to start with, like
Speaker 1: the games that and you're like whoa. And then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden you're watching and play LSU and some
Speaker 1: other old miss and you're going, where's the same guy
Speaker 1: that was just pummeling you know Clemson? And yeah, you
Speaker 1: know pummeling. Uh you know Georgia, Georgia. One more name
Speaker 1: all throw Bullamore Jackson, Louisville. Oh, we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: that later, right yeah, yeah, But whenever we could get
Speaker 1: into that right now, that wouldn't be crazy. That wouldn't
Speaker 1: be crazy for a player with his talent for a
Speaker 1: team just to high risk kid reward. Hey shoot your shot,
Speaker 1: let's go for it. People kind of like the same
Speaker 1: what they did with a tech quarterback. Like right at
Speaker 1: this home, at this time last year, all we weren't
Speaker 1: talking about Mahomes. We were talking about him at fifteen.
Speaker 1: We were talking about him at fifty. Maybe polarizing crazy guy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: top fifty, number ten overall is all it takes is
Speaker 1: one team to believe in him, and you know, say
Speaker 1: Arizona at fifteen, they need a quarterback. If they fall
Speaker 1: in love, they believe in him, they we're not gonna
Speaker 1: wait until the second round and hope you get him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, why trade back? And if you have a
Speaker 1: quarterback you want, don't trade away from him and hope
Speaker 1: you get him later. You take him there. So I
Speaker 1: don't think you could rule out Lamar Jackson. Could Lamar
Speaker 1: who who's more likely to be a trade up candidate?
Speaker 1: Jackson or Mayfield? Or can you throw Allan in there too? Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 1: If if the top two go, if the top two, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the top two go. Say the top two say
Speaker 1: it's like everybody's mock it's Darnel and Rosen, They're gone.
Speaker 1: Who is the who is the trade up quarterback? Of
Speaker 1: those three? It's so hard to say because we don't know.
Speaker 1: That's really that's fun because it's um like you got Alan,
Speaker 1: who's like the prototype without the results, and you got Mayfield,
Speaker 1: who's the results without the build, different skill set. Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson's probably in the middle between the two of them,
Speaker 1: of like he's got the build and some of the results,
Speaker 1: but some calls this question marks. This isn't a draft
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks where oh we didn't get our our top guy,
Speaker 1: would just go with the next best guy, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't get him, Okay, we'll just good night. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll just wait, We'll wait get the Yeah, we'll get
Speaker 1: the Richmond kid or something. So you fall in love
Speaker 1: with a quarterback and you go and get him, you
Speaker 1: don't just that's what I'm saying. You know, we we
Speaker 1: can't trade up from Mayfield, so we'll just take Alan here. No,
Speaker 1: you you target us specific quarterback and you go and
Speaker 1: get him. If you told me the Cardinals love Josh Allen,
Speaker 1: I believe it. You told me they love Baker Mayfield,
Speaker 1: I'll believe it. The Lamar Jackson. It's these quarterbacks are
Speaker 1: so diverse and so so we can't answer who. The
Speaker 1: hard thing to answer, especially right now pre combined well
Speaker 1: what's fine? I mean, what one too? Let me ask
Speaker 1: you this one word questioning. Four of the top six
Speaker 1: are teams that you could convince me need a quarterback.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could quip, but going down to the
Speaker 1: Jets right at six. You can quibble about the Giants
Speaker 1: if you if you want to, But That's what depends
Speaker 1: up what Denver does if they get Cousins. Cousins is
Speaker 1: the first domino it needs to fall. Yeah, and he
Speaker 1: could go to Minnesota, who knows, you know, and yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you have the second tier your case, Keenum's
Speaker 1: those guys, and once those dominoes fall, we'll have a
Speaker 1: better idea for these quarterbacks. But all we know Cleveland
Speaker 1: might love Baker Mayfield. We don't, you know, It's just
Speaker 1: there's no way for us to know. I think Sam
Speaker 1: Donald's a top quarterback. I think he'd be a perfect
Speaker 1: fit for what John Dorsey's looking for, But we don't know.
Speaker 1: So it's really hard to talk about these quarterbacks. Was
Speaker 1: really any certainty. I mean, at this time last year,
Speaker 1: we're talking about Trubisky is maybe the big guy, and
Speaker 1: then next thing, you know, KT rolls in here and
Speaker 1: says he's going top three. Yeah, my sources the same thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, there we go. Try it was you, It
Speaker 1: was you and KT were on that. Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 1: You know. It's just as the this whole process plays out,
Speaker 1: hopefully we have a better clearer picture of that. But
Speaker 1: right now it's hard to say. Dakota I don't know
Speaker 1: if this is Yeah, I mean, I don't north. Yes,
Speaker 1: I doubt it's. I doubt it's that Dakota back Dakota.
Speaker 1: He's got better stuff to do than listen to the
Speaker 1: trash show. Um. Maybe he wants y'all's thoughts on some
Speaker 1: les who aren't named Derwin James talking about them Knolls,
Speaker 1: Maybe you guy Naughty, Yeah, McFadden, Sweat. See, I didn't
Speaker 1: like Sweat as much. I wasn't as high on Sweat
Speaker 1: as the others. Let's give it some structure here, Like
Speaker 1: of the of the options I just gave you, I mean,
Speaker 1: I would take Naughty over the over the if you
Speaker 1: gave me the give me the highest ranking knoll not
Speaker 1: named James, Naughty would be my guy. That's the defensive
Speaker 1: tack right then. Then I would say probably McFadden and
Speaker 1: then Sweat. I think it's how I would rank them.
Speaker 1: Where would fall on that. I'm not an audate fan,
Speaker 1: and I didn't bring him up because of the lack
Speaker 1: of speed. Okay, I'm trying to find I'm okay, if
Speaker 1: I'm drafting for this team, I'm trying to get a
Speaker 1: player that can give me something down there. Yeah, I agreed,
Speaker 1: naughty well ta Varus McFadden plays corner and Josh Sweat
Speaker 1: plays end. Yeah, I and and maybe Sweat will end
Speaker 1: up being a two hundred and fifty pounds, So it's
Speaker 1: up the combine. He's gonna test really well. Sure, how's
Speaker 1: that tape? Remember it's okay, he's a If I show
Speaker 1: you his ten best plays, you'd swear you're watching a
Speaker 1: slightly smaller Geneveon Clowney. Like you know, the highlights are good,
Speaker 1: it's just it's a consistency. He's an issue. There also
Speaker 1: factor in the medicals. He had a devastating knee injury
Speaker 1: his senior year in high school, and to his credit,
Speaker 1: he's you know, came he came back really quickly, and
Speaker 1: he's played well. He's been durable. But teams are still
Speaker 1: going to worry about the durability long term. Where's a
Speaker 1: knee brace on his knee? I've seen that too. Is
Speaker 1: that the problem? Yeah? Um, so I'm with you more.
Speaker 1: I saw a guy that played late. Yeah, guy laid
Speaker 1: off the snap, you know, And you're right about the
Speaker 1: change of direction, the balance. I think this is gonna
Speaker 1: test really well. He's gonna test well. I mean he I.
Speaker 1: The thing about that I had a problem is I
Speaker 1: didn't see a guy that reacted quickly. That was the problem.
Speaker 1: I mean, I felt like that the ball at times
Speaker 1: was going past him and he was and he was
Speaker 1: kind of still looking for it, you know. But I
Speaker 1: I don't know, I didn't see a very powerful guy either.
Speaker 1: That bothered me as well. Playing that end, I thought
Speaker 1: he showed improvement against the run as a run just
Speaker 1: as a run player and you know, doing it, but
Speaker 1: there's still times where he gave up the corner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: lost contain and yeah, so I agree with you. He's
Speaker 1: I game a three to four based on tape. So, um,
Speaker 1: I don't know, we'll see McFadden's he's in there, But
Speaker 1: I agree with you about naughty. He's he's part of
Speaker 1: this really loaded one technique nose tackle group. Not the
Speaker 1: not the biggest guy, and he's probably only gonna be
Speaker 1: about shade over six foot right, right, But he's he's stout,
Speaker 1: he's powerful, he's got a little lower body explosion. UM.
Speaker 1: I like the way he can two gap and see
Speaker 1: through blocks so he can make tackles in the middle
Speaker 1: of the field. Not he's a good player for sure, Uh,
Speaker 1: mister Vayos, which I don't. I don't classify this in
Speaker 1: the same category as the splash question. He just says, Uh,
Speaker 1: with this this season being so crucial for the Cowboys coaches,
Speaker 1: I think that's probably fair last chance and you see
Speaker 1: them being more aggressive in this draft because of that.
Speaker 1: And that's why, I mean, you know, giving up next
Speaker 1: year's one, we'll make it someone else's problem, or draft
Speaker 1: a guard because you need a starting caliber player. I mean,
Speaker 1: it could be something that simple. And that's where that's
Speaker 1: where the front office has to step in. Well, and
Speaker 1: that's where it's one of the benefits of your owner
Speaker 1: and GM being basically the same person, right, because the
Speaker 1: owner is not going to sacrifice future years right to
Speaker 1: go all in and one year. Yeah. Yeah. The coaches
Speaker 1: obviously have heavy input, right, and if Jason Garrett or
Speaker 1: the offensive coaches really want a player, they'll make that known.
Speaker 1: But it still comes down to the front office and
Speaker 1: especially the Jones family, and they're not going to sacrifice
Speaker 1: future years just to try and win it all or
Speaker 1: take that next step immediately. Bonus question, Well, let's go
Speaker 1: to a break. You have a bonus question. You have
Speaker 1: one question real quick. Okay, kind I want to get
Speaker 1: into these pet cat things. Zach wants to know a
Speaker 1: bone in or a bone out wings? Bone in? Wait,
Speaker 1: what do you mean bone in bone out? Like boneless
Speaker 1: wings or wings? B bons wings? Get out? Boneless wings
Speaker 1: are just chicken nuggets. All right, I'm glad we all
Speaker 1: agree on that. So bonus bonus. Flats are drums. I'm
Speaker 1: a flat guy. Drums, drums flat. Give me all the flats.
Speaker 1: You can't go wrong. But no you can't. But you
Speaker 1: have to do that extra bit. Wi you that just match.
Speaker 1: You don't know how to eat them, I'll show you.
Speaker 1: I'll show you. Let's do that wings for lunch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks so much. Thanks everybody out there for twitter on
Speaker 1: the twenty. We do appreciate it. When we come back,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get into some pet cats. Stay tuned. Cowboys
Speaker 1: fans know that the second best of anything simply won't
Speaker 1: cut it, and your skincare should be no different. A
Speaker 1: long time locker room favorite of the players and the
Speaker 1: official men's skincare brand of the Dallas Cowboys, Dallas based
Speaker 1: Jack Black is the number one best selling men's skincare
Speaker 1: brand in the country. Because we make products that help
Speaker 1: guys look, smell and feel better. Visit get Jack Black
Speaker 1: dot com slash Cowboys to get ten dollars off your
Speaker 1: first order of fifty dollars or more. Jack Black Look Good, It,
Speaker 1: Smell Good, Feel Good. Official Men Skincare brand of the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. Star Sports Tours is the only official fan
Speaker 1: travel partner of the Dallas Cowboys, offering exclusive game weekend
Speaker 1: travel packages with sideline access and photo ops with current players,
Speaker 1: alumni and cheerleaders. That's not all, though, You'll get to
Speaker 1: talk xs and os with Senior Director of Player Personnel
Speaker 1: Will McClay and of course with yours truly me, Brian
Speaker 1: broad Us. You can trust the official fan travel partner
Speaker 1: of the Dallas Cowboys, and with us you'll travel like
Speaker 1: a pro. Visit Cowboys travel dot com to book your
Speaker 1: travel package today. I hear all this talk about what
Speaker 1: it takes to be a cowboy. Everyone's got their ideas,
Speaker 1: but I just say to myself, it's what's up top
Speaker 1: that matters. Sure, you need men with the muscle and
Speaker 1: heart to get her done. But if your scouts and
Speaker 1: coaches are listening out there, a word of advice, pick
Speaker 1: the man with the most well worn stetson. That's the
Speaker 1: one most cut out to be a Cowboy. Stetson hats
Speaker 1: are handmade right here in Texas and a bet on
Speaker 1: Cowboys heads for over one hundred fifty years. The rest
Speaker 1: of you can is at Stetson dot com slash cowboy
Speaker 1: to find a retailer nearest you. What does it mean
Speaker 1: to be a Dallas Cowboys fan? It means you've got
Speaker 1: the passion and the heart to do your part supporting
Speaker 1: the Boys no matter what. That's why when the game's
Speaker 1: on the line, you're on your feet, whether you're at
Speaker 1: home or in the stands. Actually, you're more than a fan.
Speaker 1: You are a member of Cowboys Nation. And so is
Speaker 1: AT and T doing their part to keep you connected
Speaker 1: to America's team all season. Law AT and T is
Speaker 1: a proud member of Cowboys Nation. This is the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys are on the clock.
Speaker 1: Back here at the Draft show of the SWBC Mortgage Studios.
Speaker 1: Brian brought a stain burglar. David Hellman, Kent Garrison, Executive Producing.
Speaker 1: We've got about fifteen minutes or so we're gonna get
Speaker 1: into some pet cats, and I also want to get
Speaker 1: into some talk with the media, scouts and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: kind of what we're seeing here and what we're feeling
Speaker 1: about that. But I want to get into, like I say,
Speaker 1: the pet cats stuff, and h David, I'll start with
Speaker 1: you about your pet cats, okay, And I want you
Speaker 1: to tell me, tell me the guys. I would give
Speaker 1: me three guys that you're kind of looking at yours
Speaker 1: your pet cats, that you would that if the Cowboys
Speaker 1: managed to draft these guys, you would be totally on
Speaker 1: board with it. Well, uh, Dane unceremoniously stole one of mine.
Speaker 1: But he's way more He's way more eloquent than me.
Speaker 1: So I'll let him talk about that guy. But and
Speaker 1: I won't beat it into the ground because I've talked
Speaker 1: about Derwin James enough. But I just think if you're
Speaker 1: gonna really you know, somebody asked me today, I was like, well,
Speaker 1: if they don't get Derwin James, is there a safety
Speaker 1: that can make an upgrade the position right away as
Speaker 1: a rookie? And I'm like, no, I don't really think
Speaker 1: there is. Um you know, I don't necessarily know one
Speaker 1: hundred percent how you would handle that. You obviously have
Speaker 1: a wealth of dbs back there to deal with. But
Speaker 1: I think he's on the field from the get He's
Speaker 1: incredibly athletic. I understand Dane's point about, you know, better
Speaker 1: athlete than football player, but when you're as freakish an
Speaker 1: athlete as he is, it can help cover up some
Speaker 1: of your shortcomings as a football player. We've seen that
Speaker 1: with Byron Jones. I think he could play strong. I
Speaker 1: think he could play free. Y'all said, y'all told me
Speaker 1: you think he can play big nickel, which is very
Speaker 1: intriguing to me. I just I think he's awesome, and
Speaker 1: the other one it doesn't make a ton of sense
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys, But I just love Ronald Jones. I
Speaker 1: think he gets buried when you're talking about the Barkleys
Speaker 1: and the guises of the world. I think he's a
Speaker 1: little bit of a do everything guy. I think he's dynamic.
Speaker 1: I won't be surprised if he's a first round pick
Speaker 1: and then one that I've really grown to like, you know,
Speaker 1: just over the time we've been doing the draft show.
Speaker 1: Is your boy Jack Sinschi from Wisconsin? I know, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's played what six games in the last two years.
Speaker 1: I get that it's scary, but he's you know, he's
Speaker 1: one of those like heady Wisconsin Big ten lineback. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, a good player. You hate to make comparisons
Speaker 1: just because of the school, but I've freaking loved Borland
Speaker 1: coming out of the draft a few years ago, and
Speaker 1: I think he's just like that. He hits hard, he
Speaker 1: knows where to be. Smart. Um, he fits all the
Speaker 1: stereotypes of a walk on. Yeah. No, he's a chip
Speaker 1: on her shoulder. The hustle, the motor uh yeah, just
Speaker 1: the NonStop the way he plays. So I'm with you.
Speaker 1: He's a good player. It's he's he's gonna be really interesting.
Speaker 1: I hope he can stay healthy, but next week could
Speaker 1: be huge for him. Yeah. I just I love that
Speaker 1: kind of player. I mean, he wasn't a walk on,
Speaker 1: not that I'm aware of, but like it sounds like
Speaker 1: Anthony Hitchins. You know, like he's not gonna wow you
Speaker 1: with that with his athleticism, but you can tell that
Speaker 1: he loves football and he knows where to be and
Speaker 1: makes play. No. He you know, you watch him, and
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was really you know, going
Speaker 1: to expect there, you know, when I was watching that tape.
Speaker 1: I mean I was thinking, okay, sixteen tape and the
Speaker 1: first game it's against Ella Shoe and Lash. You can't
Speaker 1: they're not blocking him. No, I mean he's making every
Speaker 1: single tackle. He's playing in coverage. He's aware. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm watching him playing space. The guy's moving around with ease.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot to like about him, and
Speaker 1: I don't know I reached. I mean, I appreciate you
Speaker 1: kind of. I think you brought his name up in
Speaker 1: one of our early episodes of a guy, Hey, and
Speaker 1: you need to kind of take a look at this guy.
Speaker 1: And I always when you say a guy, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go watch him. And you've you've yet to
Speaker 1: be really wrong about him. But I think that to me,
Speaker 1: that medical kind of hope it comes back. Well, I
Speaker 1: really do race Tag. That's that's the big mystery with Citchy.
Speaker 1: Can you get him in the fourth? It's always kind
Speaker 1: of been a history of that round where you say,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie to you. I stuck him in
Speaker 1: the third. I mean, I feel like you're gonna probably
Speaker 1: if the medicals check, If that medical checks, he's he's
Speaker 1: got a chance to come and help somebody. I mean
Speaker 1: in a big way. I mean, and I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about this a two down line. I'm telling a guy
Speaker 1: didn't come off the field and he's not working out
Speaker 1: at the combine. Yeah, just people know he's still working
Speaker 1: back that ACL but he the medicals, you know, teams
Speaker 1: look good, an update on what's going on with the knee,
Speaker 1: the just the progress and everything. So the combine is
Speaker 1: still huge for him. Okay, Dane, who do you got
Speaker 1: on your three? Uh? For me, I went with, uh,
Speaker 1: one of my favorite dbs in this draft. In this
Speaker 1: draft or Shawn Golden, the Tennessee dB. Who you want
Speaker 1: to play him in the nickel? You want to play
Speaker 1: him at corner, you want to play him a safety?
Speaker 1: I think he can do it all. I think his
Speaker 1: best positions in the nickel. Uh. With at that position.
Speaker 1: I am looking for several traits, most importantly play speed
Speaker 1: and toughness. Right, That's what Golden brings. He has play
Speaker 1: speed and he has toughness. He's not afraid to hit you. Uh.
Speaker 1: He moves really well. There's some discipline issues, just becoming
Speaker 1: more consistent player. But he's a player that I would
Speaker 1: consider somewhere in the mid second round. He's a top
Speaker 1: fifty player in this draft for me. Our boy from
Speaker 1: South Florida, sonad Dedrin sonad noose tackle, a big boy,
Speaker 1: and I said that people might get turned off of
Speaker 1: the South Florida thing, but he had a full ride
Speaker 1: to Florida State right team. Big teams were recruiting him hard.
Speaker 1: Not the biggest guy in terms of height or length,
Speaker 1: and that'll show up some times. He'll stay attached to
Speaker 1: some blocks at times, but he is powerful to point
Speaker 1: of attack, really understands how to use that natural leverage.
Speaker 1: He has some quickness where he can two gap and
Speaker 1: make plays and he's just he's very productive. And he
Speaker 1: saw that on the tape. So Son, if you don't
Speaker 1: get I don't know if he last eighty one, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if you take him at fifty,
Speaker 1: he might be kind of in between somewhere. But if
Speaker 1: you don't get your nose tackle in the first and
Speaker 1: you still are looking for that nose tackle, that's a
Speaker 1: guy keep in mind. On day two. And then the
Speaker 1: final guy who David alluded to that I stole, which
Speaker 1: I did, Dj Moore, who's just outstanding. It's just fun.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look past the height, I don't
Speaker 1: see how you just don't love DJ Moore. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's we'll see it the combine. Is he five ten,
Speaker 1: five ten and a half? Is he under five ten?
Speaker 1: That'll be a big step for him. Um and as
Speaker 1: well the other measurables with his arm length and hand
Speaker 1: size and all that. But he's just he. I see
Speaker 1: shades of Steve Smith with his power, his quickness, his
Speaker 1: ability to create after the catch. Is a sharp route runner.
Speaker 1: His production this year with five different quarterbacks, that just
Speaker 1: that speaks for itself. So to me, he's a top
Speaker 1: three wide receiver in this class and eager to see
Speaker 1: how he does at the combine. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: going to test like overly will, but you know I
Speaker 1: don't expect him to either. If he runs a four
Speaker 1: five four, that doesn't do anything, that doesn't bother me. No,
Speaker 1: that's range about that guy. Because the tape is so good.
Speaker 1: I agree, you know, I think I think you got
Speaker 1: the I think you got him right. My three guys,
Speaker 1: it's no secret how much I love Shot Griffin from UCF. Yep,
Speaker 1: there's no secret of that. And I know we have
Speaker 1: to figure out though, where does he gets selected? And
Speaker 1: I know that that you know guys like you know
Speaker 1: with Dane and who I again, once again fully trust
Speaker 1: love to argue Jeff Kavanaugh. He says, where do you
Speaker 1: take a player that's not going to be a starter
Speaker 1: for you? Where do you take a player that is
Speaker 1: going to be a sub package player? Where are you
Speaker 1: going to take a player that's going to play special
Speaker 1: teams for you? I mean, how many snaps are you
Speaker 1: going to get from the guy? And again, I just
Speaker 1: kind of I'm in that. I'm in that thing. I'm thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be one of my forty six on game
Speaker 1: day and I'm gonna play him. I'm gonna play him
Speaker 1: in all those sub package things. And I think that
Speaker 1: when you play, it's fifty sixty percent of the time
Speaker 1: you're playing sub package stuff. I'm gonna find snaps for
Speaker 1: him there, and I'm gonna find I'm gonna have him
Speaker 1: on every one of my special teams, anything to do
Speaker 1: with running, anything with doing with getting down the field,
Speaker 1: making a tackle and all that. I'm putting this guy involved.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put him in some nickel rush stuff. You know.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna figure out some spots for him. But you're right,
Speaker 1: I don't and you and Jeff I don't you know
Speaker 1: where where's the value for this player? And and that's
Speaker 1: where I think teams. That's to be one of my
Speaker 1: questions at the combine with all my old mates. Where
Speaker 1: do you guys see a guy like Shack Griffin going?
Speaker 1: And we'll talk about that. I bet you the combine.
Speaker 1: A matter of fact, he's here tonight. Yeah, for the
Speaker 1: for the Jason Witt Awards. Okay, yeah, he's one of
Speaker 1: the finalists. Yeah, he's working on just down the road,
Speaker 1: him and Fitzpatrick and who else is involved with them? Oh?
Speaker 1: You put me on the Sitzpatrick Shaq Griffin. Oh and
Speaker 1: the quarterback Ocloma State. Thank you za Zack Randolph. He's
Speaker 1: a basketball player facing Rudolph. But yeah, but but I'm
Speaker 1: interested in in him, I really really am. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what the next one would be. Hayden Hurst be
Speaker 1: tied end from South car He has my top tight end.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you who I watched. It was pretty interesting
Speaker 1: the other day, Dan, you might want to tell me
Speaker 1: about this guy? Maybe this Lee? Yeah, this from watching Okay,
Speaker 1: well another day another time for that he's a lot
Speaker 1: to talk about it. I'll have to talk about will this.
Speaker 1: I do like him. I think it's a really good
Speaker 1: tight end group if you but but hayden Hurst, if
Speaker 1: you're talking about a guy that could play a little
Speaker 1: in line, he could play as a wing. They move
Speaker 1: him around. He's not a trained killer as a blocker.
Speaker 1: I think he's more of a getting away fit, finished
Speaker 1: turned steer kind of a guy. But when you talk
Speaker 1: about throwing the ball down the field, he makes plays.
Speaker 1: He can adjust across the middle, he can go low,
Speaker 1: he can go high. He's got sideline awareness when the
Speaker 1: ball comes to that direction over there. Hayden Hurst is
Speaker 1: a guy I think he's probably of the tiding guys.
Speaker 1: He was I'm looking for the complete guy, but he
Speaker 1: was the guy that kind of excited me about more
Speaker 1: the downfield stuff with him. And then my last guy
Speaker 1: is John Kelly, the running back from Tennessee and now Okay.
Speaker 1: Him and a kid Walton Malk Walton from from Miami.
Speaker 1: Two very similar guys, two very similar guys. If you
Speaker 1: want to if you're looking for that guy that's a
Speaker 1: little bit of a change of pace, the quickness, the
Speaker 1: explore elosiveness to catching. I think that Walton is a
Speaker 1: little bit better suited as a pass blocker, which I mean,
Speaker 1: I was watching that tape really strong because I was
Speaker 1: trying to think, okay, but I just liked more of
Speaker 1: the finish with with with Kelly. You know, I really
Speaker 1: liked the way the power and stuff like that. But
Speaker 1: you know, he's a guy that that you know, very productive,
Speaker 1: like when they threw him the football again. I mean,
Speaker 1: if I could just work on that pass block and
Speaker 1: a little bit more, I think that, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not comparing him to what you know, Mcamara and Tennessee,
Speaker 1: but somebody is gonna grab one of these backs and
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna hit on the same way the
Speaker 1: Saints did. They're gonna hit on one of these guys
Speaker 1: in the middle of that board and they're gonna be
Speaker 1: really happy. But I think it's not gonna be just
Speaker 1: one guy. I think there's gonna be several guys I love. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just happen to like Kelly a little bit more
Speaker 1: than some of the other of those in the middle
Speaker 1: of the board type of guys. But Walton is another guy.
Speaker 1: If if you said, oh, ros how about Walton. I
Speaker 1: you know what I'm not. I'm not fighting you, Nope.
Speaker 1: And I reported a couple of days ago because he
Speaker 1: missed most of the year with the ankle and jury,
Speaker 1: and I reported that he's been training and he plans
Speaker 1: to do everything at the combine. So it's first time
Speaker 1: we'll see him in a long time. He's kind of
Speaker 1: been the forgotten guy because out of sight, out of mind.
Speaker 1: But he is, like you said, a very good player.
Speaker 1: And I mean on my board, I have Walton. He's
Speaker 1: in my top ten running backs, top one hundred guy
Speaker 1: and with a good combine, he might he's gonna gain
Speaker 1: some momentum in this process. Absolutely, all right, good lists.
Speaker 1: You and I were talking about that scouts, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the whole media scout and I'm interested in what
Speaker 1: you say about this too. By the way, Well, I
Speaker 1: think one of the reasons this dynamic works with us
Speaker 1: three in the show is you have the perspective. You
Speaker 1: did it in the war room, you know, and now
Speaker 1: you're on this side of things, you bring that perspective.
Speaker 1: I've invested in my entire life into this. I mean,
Speaker 1: scouting has been my career and what I've done in
Speaker 1: the last ten years. And you know, for Dave, it's
Speaker 1: more of kind of ancillary part of you know what
Speaker 1: he does, and you know he puts in the time
Speaker 1: and the work, and so we each bring a different perspective.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting because there's especially with social media, all
Speaker 1: the different media scouts that are out there, current voices
Speaker 1: that are out there. Sure opinions, and it's not to
Speaker 1: say that maybe some are better than others, but I
Speaker 1: think fans, I think fans are smart and they recognize
Speaker 1: who puts the work in, who knows what they're talking about,
Speaker 1: who knows what they're looking for, and that brings up,
Speaker 1: you know, the conversation about a guy like Bill Pollian
Speaker 1: who is now on the media side, who has Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame credentials. There's no debate exactly, but with the
Speaker 1: Wholamar Jackson, you know, he's taking a hard stance on
Speaker 1: He's a wide receiver. And it's not to take anything
Speaker 1: away from Bill Pollion what he's done throughout his career,
Speaker 1: but you know, and we all disagree, he's yeah bananas
Speaker 1: with that take, and it's and I've been on Bill
Speaker 1: Polian's side. I've been on that side of the fence,
Speaker 1: as you said. And even when he said that, I cringed.
Speaker 1: You know, I said, no, you can't. You know, I
Speaker 1: know Daniel Jeremiah's come out and said, if they want
Speaker 1: if you know, tell them to you know, go go
Speaker 1: do something else. If they want you to play a
Speaker 1: wide receiver, tell the team they go draft somebody else. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: he should do that. He should. It's it's strange when
Speaker 1: Pollian came out with his reasoning and said about how
Speaker 1: getting the ball in his hands, and you want to
Speaker 1: figure out more ways to do that? Last time I checked,
Speaker 1: that's what a quarterback. Yeah, he touches the ball every
Speaker 1: single snap. So the only well other than it's in
Speaker 1: the center. Yeah. Absolutely. And look it's is Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1: A perfect prospect by no means what he's saying that
Speaker 1: he needs work and several areas as a passer. And
Speaker 1: when you get excited about him on film more than that,
Speaker 1: it's because of what he's doing with his legs and
Speaker 1: so you know that that tells you something right there.
Speaker 1: He needs to get better with his development as a passer.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, it's fans need
Speaker 1: to know who to trust when we're talking about this
Speaker 1: kind of thing, and Bill Pollian again has those credentials, right,
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean you take him everything he says to
Speaker 1: face value. You know, you watch Lamar Jackson for yourself,
Speaker 1: make your own decisions. And let me make it clear too,
Speaker 1: Bill Pollion's the minority. Yeah, you know, it's not like
Speaker 1: that's what a lot of NFL teams are thinking. The
Speaker 1: majority of teams, at least the ones that I've talked to,
Speaker 1: see him as a quarterback. I've not heard one team
Speaker 1: say he's a wide receiver on a board, but that's
Speaker 1: how we're viewing. I don't Yeah, I haven't heard that either.
Speaker 1: This I mean it much less so because of the
Speaker 1: positions involved. But it kind of reminds me of the
Speaker 1: Jabril Peppers, you know, just. I mean, you could kind
Speaker 1: of you could paint a pretty good infographic of who
Speaker 1: thought what and who did what amount of work based
Speaker 1: on what they thought about running back. Yeah. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, you know, people that listen
Speaker 1: to this show are in another category than ninety eight
Speaker 1: percent of the people who follow the draft or football
Speaker 1: in general. You know, So I know our listeners are
Speaker 1: smarter than the average football fan. And I would like
Speaker 1: to think anybody with above average intelligence can kind of
Speaker 1: pick out the the bs basically, and I mean ninety
Speaker 1: percent of that stuff, it's just white noise and same thing,
Speaker 1: you know, And you know, obviously mock drafts work. I'm
Speaker 1: not I don't have a problem with mock drafts. Like
Speaker 1: they get clicks, they're interesting, they make you think, like,
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with that at all. But
Speaker 1: you can kind of see who does and doesn't know
Speaker 1: what they're talking about, just based on what they're thinking
Speaker 1: and what they're doing with those you know, fake picks,
Speaker 1: and so, like I said, I would hope that anybody
Speaker 1: who puts a little bit of thought into it can
Speaker 1: kind of parse out the crap from the genuine insight.
Speaker 1: And if Lamar Jackson three years from now does not
Speaker 1: work out, that does not mean that Bill Pullian was right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you had to you have to try Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson as a quarterback, and he has to make you
Speaker 1: to wrong, right, And I mean, has Bill Pollant never
Speaker 1: seen him runner route, no catch a pass? That's that's
Speaker 1: I mean it. There's a little more to playing the
Speaker 1: wide receiver position than just being an athlete. I think
Speaker 1: you have to keep an open mind about that. I
Speaker 1: said that opened in the show. I don't think that
Speaker 1: you can have the nineteen ninety two mentality or nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety three mentality. You know, if that's the case, then
Speaker 1: then Josh Allen is accuracy problems end? Did you make
Speaker 1: them a tight end? Yeah? You shouldn't have that attitude.
Speaker 1: There's there's I mean, I'm sorry if this is simplistic,
Speaker 1: but there's just no way that Pat Mahomes can be
Speaker 1: a top ten pick and Lamar Jackson needs to play
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Yeah, I just I just my my my situation. No,
Speaker 1: with the whole thing. I never have a problem with
Speaker 1: anybody's opinion, media, scout or whatever. I don't have as
Speaker 1: long as you do the work. Yeah, go do the work.
Speaker 1: If you know, if you're if you're not doing the
Speaker 1: work and you're trying to tell me, oh, this is
Speaker 1: how I have them rated and you and you haven't
Speaker 1: done the work, then I don't, you know, because there's
Speaker 1: no there's nothing perfect about what we're doing. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're trying to say, investigate, educate, that's what we're trying
Speaker 1: to do, you know. And I think I've been the
Speaker 1: first one who admit when I'm wrong about these players.
Speaker 1: I think that's one of my strengths to say, you know,
Speaker 1: I was wrong about Joey Bosa. I've fought him new
Speaker 1: tooth and nail on Joey Bosa, and I admit that.
Speaker 1: But see the thing about it is, though I think
Speaker 1: that you, like you said, David, I think people are
Speaker 1: smart enough out there, but if you come at us
Speaker 1: with stuff, you know, make sure you're educated, make sure
Speaker 1: you make sure you've sat down, and hey, this is
Speaker 1: what I've done. And that's the cool thing about you know,
Speaker 1: in this day and age, like Dane said, fans are
Speaker 1: smart like you can. This information's out there for you
Speaker 1: to find and right smart people, hey Parson, whatever you
Speaker 1: have to do to dig and find more. But the
Speaker 1: guys like Bill Pollian who are Hall of Fan, the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, you know, Bill Polian ain't always right,
Speaker 1: and that's and that you know, don't ever forget that
Speaker 1: as we're not always right either too. But we will
Speaker 1: will do our very best satting average exactly all right,
Speaker 1: Hey Gosten, thank you everybody out there. Money show will
Speaker 1: be uh combine driven. We will be in Indianapolis on
Speaker 1: Tuesday shows, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday next week. From the Combine,
Speaker 1: we get it all covered from you there, Stephen Jones,
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones, all the opinions, everything going on there. So
Speaker 1: we will see you Monday at ten am. Thanks again
Speaker 1: for joining us.