WEBVTT - Draft Show: Pet Cat Talk; Making A Splash?

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<v Speaker 1>Did. He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys

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<v Speaker 1>your hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman, and Brian brought us. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we welcome you to the SWBC Mortgage Studios. You got

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<v Speaker 1>the Draft show. Brian brought us here with Dane Brugler,

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<v Speaker 1>David Hellman, King Garrison, Executive Producing. Why don't I start

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<v Speaker 1>off the show bad pre show? Why don't I let

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<v Speaker 1>people make me mad? That's just a thing that you

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<v Speaker 1>do in life, like you just let people get you mad.

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<v Speaker 1>You're easily riled. You're gonna set up for a nice

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<v Speaker 1>show though, you got the fire in you. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>good thing. Yeah, No, I you know what at not again,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm watching people out there talk about what they

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<v Speaker 1>would do at nineteen and what they wouldn't do. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and I respect what you're saying. You wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>take an offensive lineman at nineteen. I wouldn't philosophy to

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<v Speaker 1>set this up. This is the argument we're having in

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<v Speaker 1>the studio before the show. Yeah, I mean Brian, Brian

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<v Speaker 1>and a number of people are very vocal in their

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<v Speaker 1>belief that an offensive guard would be a good call

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<v Speaker 1>at the nineteenth overall. Yeah. And then there's the other

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<v Speaker 1>side of that argument that Dane tends to fall more on,

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<v Speaker 1>that says it's not the best value in the world

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<v Speaker 1>and there's got to be something better you could do,

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<v Speaker 1>not for this team that has so many other weaknesses.

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<v Speaker 1>Offensive line's already strength, and I would argue that the

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<v Speaker 1>bigger need for this team is a swing tackle. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I could make that argument, could you Okay, if I

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<v Speaker 1>said you could take mcclinchy at nineteen, would you do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not as high mcclinchy. I don't be a tackle.

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<v Speaker 1>Then if you're going to tell me if you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>if you're more Williams at nineteen, what are we dealing with? Boys?

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<v Speaker 1>What do we do? You're acting like we're dealing with

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<v Speaker 1>with Quentin Nelson? Oh no, no, no, Look, you know

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<v Speaker 1>you got any Why why can't we not? And we

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<v Speaker 1>focus on the players that are up and down on

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<v Speaker 1>this board. You're saying people focus too much on the

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<v Speaker 1>value position more so than just well, I wouldn't take it.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't take a guard at nineteen. But it's for

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<v Speaker 1>the KA, it's for this team though it's not. But

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<v Speaker 1>then you say a name of a guy that you

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<v Speaker 1>don't really want at nineteen. Look, the thing is long term,

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<v Speaker 1>what is best for this team. I do not think

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<v Speaker 1>drafting a guard at nineteen is what's best for this team.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't because I think you could find a guard

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<v Speaker 1>elsewhere with the depth at wide receiver. Is it best

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<v Speaker 1>to draft Ridley at nineteen? Oh, if you was there,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm taking Ridley, yeah, no question. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>the team would. So you feel like though that the

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<v Speaker 1>definite need for this team is a wide receiver. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not about definite need, it just it's I mean, why

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<v Speaker 1>you arguing that. No, you're playing both sides because you're

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<v Speaker 1>one reason you're saying guard is because of it's a

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<v Speaker 1>definite need. It's not. I'm looking at nineteen and saying,

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<v Speaker 1>and give me the names. The players are there, And

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<v Speaker 1>again I go back to your argument when you when

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<v Speaker 1>I when I bring up the name Vita Vea, which

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<v Speaker 1>everybody in mock draft Land, it throws that name at

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<v Speaker 1>the Cowboys Hurst Vita Vea. You know, and the first

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<v Speaker 1>thing you say is, Brian, you like it more than me,

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<v Speaker 1>You like it more than me. Yeah, where you going

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<v Speaker 1>with this? I'm going I know exactly where he's going

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<v Speaker 1>with this. Well, I mean, but but he's perplexed as

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<v Speaker 1>to why you would draft a guy that you don't

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<v Speaker 1>like that much at nineteen just instead of taking a

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<v Speaker 1>position that could help your football team. When I say

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<v Speaker 1>you like him more than me, it's you always say

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<v Speaker 1>that because you liked them, like when we talk, that's fire,

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<v Speaker 1>because he does the work. I have the utmost respect

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<v Speaker 1>for you, which you like him as more of a

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<v Speaker 1>when we talked about him before, you like him, no,

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<v Speaker 1>more of a top ten player. Yeah, And that's because

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<v Speaker 1>and then all of a sudden I start catching up

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<v Speaker 1>and seeing, okay, we're gonna go through some pet cats here.

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<v Speaker 1>So your opinions changed in Viet Vea. Yeah, okay, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I think that if you look at

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at the defense to tackle group as

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<v Speaker 1>the one technique's hole, you can pass on b to

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<v Speaker 1>Vea and be okay, using your argument you like it

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<v Speaker 1>more than me, Brian, you do. That's a fact. It

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<v Speaker 1>is a fact, But that doesn't mean I don't like him. No,

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<v Speaker 1>But then when he's when he's when everybody. The narrative though, is,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, it's kind of like taking taco. Brian

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<v Speaker 1>wants you to be in love with whoever you're picking

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<v Speaker 1>at nineteen. But the problem with that is I'd like

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<v Speaker 1>for you to be in love with him, but the

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<v Speaker 1>problem is the quality of the player. Yeah, am I

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<v Speaker 1>right about that? Why would you not take the best

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<v Speaker 1>player at nineteen? The goal of picking the number nineteenth pick?

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<v Speaker 1>The number one goal should be to add the player

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<v Speaker 1>who's gonna help your team the best for the long term.

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<v Speaker 1>That should be the number one goal. And I do

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<v Speaker 1>not believe that guard is that player you can find.

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<v Speaker 1>Even even though the player is a better player, even

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<v Speaker 1>though the player say better player than it does anybody

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<v Speaker 1>that you want to select, It doesn't matter. The goal

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<v Speaker 1>should be what is best for this team long term?

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<v Speaker 1>What is best for this team long term? That is

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<v Speaker 1>the notice one that's for this team long term? Is

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<v Speaker 1>it to try and help the quarterback? I mean, is

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<v Speaker 1>that also say that ultimately, what's gonna be the most

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<v Speaker 1>expensive thing on our team? What if Ronald Jones is

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<v Speaker 1>the best player on your board at nineteen, should you

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<v Speaker 1>take him? No, you don't take him? Okay, here we

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<v Speaker 1>saw it. We saw that play out just last year. FYI, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that happened last year. That kid went a terrible player

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<v Speaker 1>at Minnesotaly got hurt. It's not just list your best

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen players in the draft, regardless of position or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>You're talking about the quality of the again, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>taking players that you don't feel great about our board player, rude. No.

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<v Speaker 1>Me saying that you like a player more than me

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<v Speaker 1>does not mean I don't like the player. No, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just saying, though you were just adamant about taking a

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<v Speaker 1>player that potentially could be regardless of the position. You

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<v Speaker 1>were adamant against it because when I do a draft board,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not for this team. When I do a draft board,

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<v Speaker 1>it is for I understand that. But when we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this team again, I want the best player at

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen who's gonna be best for this team long term,

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<v Speaker 1>and it might feel better about who. Do you feel

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<v Speaker 1>better about Win or Vita Vea for this team. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>taking Vita Okay. Now, Yes, I agree with you about

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<v Speaker 1>your point about finding a nose tackle. Later i'd probably,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd probably take a win. I agree with you. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know what this this organization might hate Win. They

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<v Speaker 1>might absolutely hat Win, and maybe they like her. Nandie

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<v Speaker 1>is better. It's very possible. Maybe, hey, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>then let's let's not act like I mean, Hernande is

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<v Speaker 1>in my board. Is the third best guard? Nelson Win, Hernandez.

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<v Speaker 1>I think most people would agree. See, I you know

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing about it. At nineteen, I've said this,

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<v Speaker 1>You're at the mercy of the board every pick you are,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely I think bait Like we can boil this down

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<v Speaker 1>to the fact that Brian's frustrated that a sizable portion

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<v Speaker 1>of people don't like the idea of drafting a guard.

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<v Speaker 1>But then most of those people don't have a better

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<v Speaker 1>idea ready to go. Well, yeah, and let me be

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<v Speaker 1>clear about this. If the Cowboys come up at number

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen and they drift to Zaiah Win, I will not

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<v Speaker 1>be upset because Zaiah Win is a good player. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>but that doesn't mean I believe he was the best

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<v Speaker 1>pick at that point. Again, I think I can find

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<v Speaker 1>a guard who can again, but it's like I can

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<v Speaker 1>find a one technique maybe yeah, Again, it's more of

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<v Speaker 1>a it's not. This isn't about a right and wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>This is more philip it's not. And you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes you have to your your philosophy. I was.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like I had to get out of the

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<v Speaker 1>nineties scouting, you know. And we'll get into this whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing with Bill Polian by the way, you know, and oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, this is what I believe. I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a Hall of Fame general manager. I get it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, seriously, we're gonna get to our pet cats. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get to our pet cats. David, hell and give

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<v Speaker 1>me your pet cats. I don't I want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about that. I don't think we've ever gone off the

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<v Speaker 1>deep end so quickly into a show. I like, I

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<v Speaker 1>just I you know what though, philosophy or what you

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<v Speaker 1>know again, the philosophy everybody thinks, my god, we've got

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<v Speaker 1>to do it this way, You've got to do it. Yet,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got to do it, you know. And the beauty

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<v Speaker 1>of it is probably when you're picking nineteen, you really

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<v Speaker 1>don't have your your player, the quality of player. Why

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<v Speaker 1>would you regardless of position, why would you not go

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<v Speaker 1>get the best one at that regardless, it might not

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<v Speaker 1>be what's best for this team. The beauty of this,

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<v Speaker 1>like that's the point of this whole show is like

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<v Speaker 1>I just you're making a mistake if you're approaching the

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<v Speaker 1>draft with like a fixed mindset on almost anything. Like

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<v Speaker 1>though I would not take a guard, the whole point

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<v Speaker 1>of the draft is you need to be ready to adapt.

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<v Speaker 1>You just said, like five minutes ago, you wouldn't pitch

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<v Speaker 1>a fit. I would not take him, But again, I

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<v Speaker 1>think Isaiah wins. Would you have a more problem with

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<v Speaker 1>him or Taco as that pick. I feel better about

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<v Speaker 1>Win because Wins a better player, So again I would

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<v Speaker 1>not be upset. I would not throw a fit like

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<v Speaker 1>last year with Tacco. Is more perplexing that there were

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<v Speaker 1>better players on the board at the same position, the

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<v Speaker 1>same position. Yeah, okay, well it's not like you know this.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about the same position here and we're just

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<v Speaker 1>differing on the player. We're talking about a position that

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna take that I don't think this is the

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<v Speaker 1>reason why the Giants might not take a quarterback. That's

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<v Speaker 1>why they might not take a running back. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>draft running backs high traditionally, So what gentleman does on

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<v Speaker 1>that one. Yeah, I mean if he takes, if he takes,

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<v Speaker 1>if he takes Quentin Nelson. Okay, traditionally he isn't. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>yeah I am. But traditionally he has not drafted offensive

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<v Speaker 1>lineman high, so the Giants might not go in that direction.

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<v Speaker 1>Same with same with quarterback. Giants are really a wild

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<v Speaker 1>getting the best players for the respective team. Yes to Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's more than about just that saying. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Dalvin Cook might have been the best player on the board.

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<v Speaker 1>This team's never going to draft him, you know, that's

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<v Speaker 1>we what We've talked about that already a few times.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it's best player available to taking that ram

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<v Speaker 1>Chick a lot higher than the Saints did. Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>best player available last year. Sure did, best player available

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<v Speaker 1>within reason, you know, That's the whole thing. Which the

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<v Speaker 1>beauty of it for the Cowboys is like nineteen, you

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<v Speaker 1>could make a compelling argument for just about anybody that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be there. That's so I don't worry about

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<v Speaker 1>it as much. I don't get as fired up about

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<v Speaker 1>this because, like, if you want to take a plug

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<v Speaker 1>and play guard, that's fine with me. If you want

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<v Speaker 1>to take a nose tackle who could, if not start,

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<v Speaker 1>at least be a regular part of the rotation. That's

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<v Speaker 1>fine with me too. Like, I mean, you can make

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty compelling case for just about anything that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to happen. I think, I think we just don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to box ourselves in. That's the whole exactly. That's I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna stop after some in general. I'm not some

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<v Speaker 1>about the Dallas Cowboys. No. If I was running a

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<v Speaker 1>war room right now, I would I would keep an

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<v Speaker 1>open mind about this. I think I wouldn't sit there

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<v Speaker 1>and act like I'm in nineteen seventy eight drafting player.

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<v Speaker 1>You're screwing yourself if you're just like, we gotta do X,

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<v Speaker 1>like whatever it is that you think you gotta do.

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<v Speaker 1>If that's if you're leaving yourself one avenue of one

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<v Speaker 1>rep whole idea. It's about getting the best players. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the whole idea. And if you if you're if you're

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<v Speaker 1>limiting yourself to getting the best players, then you're you're

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<v Speaker 1>not drafting correctly. I'd say it's all about improving your

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<v Speaker 1>football team in the best way possible. I agree, but

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<v Speaker 1>those aren't always the same. You gotta strike that balance yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't. It can't just be about best player. No,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm just saying though it you can't just say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>because of the position, I'm not going to look at

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<v Speaker 1>the guy, especially where they're picking. Yeah, you've got twelve

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<v Speaker 1>first round grades. I think it's fourteen, that's five. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is just this is just another iteration. If everybody

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<v Speaker 1>in his in his gets picked, if all fourteen guys

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<v Speaker 1>get picked ahead of us, we were taking a second

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<v Speaker 1>round player, it's an entire right. Okay, we did it

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<v Speaker 1>last year too. Wasn't a first sure, it's but it's

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<v Speaker 1>just another wasn't the best player. That's my point though

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<v Speaker 1>as well. No, we all agreed there. It's another iteration

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<v Speaker 1>of Zeke verse Ramsey or botha. You know it's the same.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know that was a rare draft, those

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<v Speaker 1>top five. Oh and I'm not I'm not picking tough.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not talking about the relative talent. But it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you can get a running back anywhere, why are you

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<v Speaker 1>drafting a running back there, Bob, And like we're still debated.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna play out over the next decade or so. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all I mean, it's more philosophical than absolutely someone's

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<v Speaker 1>right and someone's wrong. And like I said, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's something that half the fans are gonna agree with you,

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<v Speaker 1>half the fans will agree with me. It's something that

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<v Speaker 1>is a worthy debate that we're going to be having

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<v Speaker 1>up until draft day. Oh they're having this debate, or

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<v Speaker 1>up until they add a garden free agency or add

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<v Speaker 1>a tackling freedy. I'm I'm reluctant. I'm trying to think

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<v Speaker 1>about how to help this quarterback because you know what

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<v Speaker 1>this time when and we're likely gonna lose you. Next year,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll be scouting somewhere. I know it. I just know it.

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<v Speaker 1>You could go beat somebody else up, Dane. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking, I am thinking this conversation next year will

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<v Speaker 1>be about, well, should they look at a quarterback? Look

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<v Speaker 1>at you're just writing Dacks twenty age. I'm just saying,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying at twelve they should look at a quarterback?

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<v Speaker 1>Could be yeah, yeah, that's the that's the no. And

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, why did he fail? Why did he fail?

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<v Speaker 1>Did we give him every opportunity to succeed? I'm reluctant

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<v Speaker 1>to jump off the fence here, because I think in

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<v Speaker 1>another month. I'm not saying there's gonna be like an

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<v Speaker 1>all Pro guard in the fold. But like this, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about all the time, this team's not done

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<v Speaker 1>adding talent. Like I, if they don't have a left

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<v Speaker 1>guard candidate before the draft, I'll be surprised. They're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to go into the draft just needing a left guard.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd agree with they're just not so well they for

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<v Speaker 1>that matter, they might not be going in. Yeah, they

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<v Speaker 1>might add they added a defensive tackle last year. It

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<v Speaker 1>obviously didn't work out, but they did it, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't be surprised to see him do it again

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<v Speaker 1>this year. Yeah, I think the bigger need might even

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<v Speaker 1>be a tackle. With you worry about a left tackle,

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<v Speaker 1>the durability long term, You worried there anybody at nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>you would take at tackle. No, not only that, but

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<v Speaker 1>that goes back to philosophy again, because are you at

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<v Speaker 1>the philosopher are you going to spend but are you

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<v Speaker 1>going to spend a first round pick on a guy

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<v Speaker 1>who ideally is your swing tackle? Yeah? Again, that's another conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, absolutely, and it's more like hopefully, I think

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<v Speaker 1>we're bailed out by the fact that there aren't any candidates, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the highest guard or tackle on my board's

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<v Speaker 1>Connor Williams down in like the late twenties. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not taking a tackle. He's number one tackle on your

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<v Speaker 1>board right now. Yeah, okay, and that's a mess. You're right,

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're you're not wrong about that. And mcglinchey's spend

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<v Speaker 1>mclinchey because I think like that he's I trust him

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<v Speaker 1>more than Connor Williams. Sure, that's that sound crazy? No,

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<v Speaker 1>I And I'm almost I would like to see them

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<v Speaker 1>draft like a Tyrold Crosby in the second or third

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<v Speaker 1>o Oregon, a guy that can help you a left

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<v Speaker 1>guard iff needed, but he's yours. Also your swing tackle, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and you get some versatility there. Uh you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's so many different ways you can attack it, for sure. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you're pet cat. No no, no, no, no, no, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna break. Okay, we're gonna whole. Yeah, No, that's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be I'm just gonna kick the other segment out that

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<v Speaker 1>we were talking about. We do need to get in.

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<v Speaker 1>I do pet cat talk maybe well in Twitter on

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty early again, I appreciate everybody's comments and questions,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll get to Twitter on the tek has a

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<v Speaker 1>fast twenty minutes. I didn't realize I could get that

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<v Speaker 1>mad in twenty minutes, but I did at the drop

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<v Speaker 1>of a hat. At a drop of hat, let's go

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<v Speaker 1>to break. I promise you we'll do Twitter on the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty and then we'll get into the pet cats because

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<v Speaker 1>we got some you know, we got some elements of

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<v Speaker 1>that I want to get to. And then I do

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<v Speaker 1>want to get into Bill polian kiper the whole media

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<v Speaker 1>just let you yell at us now. I appreciate the

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth war rooms. They call it a wor room.

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<v Speaker 1>Use the word war for a reason. I had the

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<v Speaker 1>utmost respect for these guys I'm sitting here with right now,

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<v Speaker 1>On those guys as well. You know, I said, this

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<v Speaker 1>guy to my right, he could. He needs to be

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<v Speaker 1>in the NFL. He needs to be scouting, he needs

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<v Speaker 1>to be arguing with one of those general managers. You

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<v Speaker 1>do need to do that one day. Maybe we'll see,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, ever so modest, I hope, so, I really do.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope it's this year. David Hellman. One of my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite segments is Twitter on the twenty can't I jumped

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<v Speaker 1>the gun? Go at it, Dave. As long as we're mad,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna start. I'm gonna start off with a question

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<v Speaker 1>from Michael that this is something that makes me mad.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll see if y'all follow along with this. Gears, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's I've gotten it a few times, and there seems

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<v Speaker 1>to be a prevailing line of logic from a few

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<v Speaker 1>people that because the Cowboys are hosting, because the Cowboys

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<v Speaker 1>are hosting the Flashville, they're gonna do something nuts. Just yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and for okay, for the record, I think that's stupid

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<v Speaker 1>and very unlikely. So you don't want to go to

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<v Speaker 1>the you don't want to go to the Jets? Pick

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<v Speaker 1>at six? No, No, I really don't. Just for the record,

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<v Speaker 1>I would I would like I would just like one

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<v Speaker 1>example of anything that's happened in the last decade that

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<v Speaker 1>suggests that the Cowboys would do that. I'm not taught.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care about Joey Galloway. That was twenty years.

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<v Speaker 1>What about the going up and getting from fourteen to six?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, is that at fourteen or fifteen? I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was fourteen fourteen years? I don't. I mean that

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<v Speaker 1>was a move. I don't qualify that as like this

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<v Speaker 1>crazy splash move. I mean that's an eight spot jump, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm taught like splash like, I mean, what going up

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<v Speaker 1>for a quarterback? What are you going up for? What

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<v Speaker 1>are you even? Is jumping up six spots for Calvin

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<v Speaker 1>Ridley a splash? I mean that's that's you know, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not And you were right by the way Atlanta did jump.

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<v Speaker 1>They jumped way high to get Julio Jones. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that's tom to it RAF thinking a little bit differently there,

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<v Speaker 1>Does that seem like something this team would do? I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think so. No, I don't think so either. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean you look at it, and we tried to go

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<v Speaker 1>up and the quality of player we were talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>if you remember the show from Monday, was that we

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<v Speaker 1>were thinking that it was going to be like you

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<v Speaker 1>were going to get the linebacker from Virginia Tech. You

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<v Speaker 1>were going to secure Uh, you could Vita Vea if

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<v Speaker 1>you want to via Veta. That's I would consider using

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<v Speaker 1>my second round pick to go up and get real

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<v Speaker 1>Quan Smith. That's that's That's exactly who's died the draft

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<v Speaker 1>last year. Philly, Philly. They didn't make a splash. They

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<v Speaker 1>stayed put kind of picks. Well, they had one pick

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<v Speaker 1>in the first round. They stayed put. Yeah, and they

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<v Speaker 1>took Derek Barnett. They let the board fall to them,

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<v Speaker 1>got a decent player. A decent player helped them win

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<v Speaker 1>the Super Bowl. Yeah, this team does not need to

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<v Speaker 1>make a splash just because it's in their backyard. I

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna like, if you're gonna make a splash, it's

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<v Speaker 1>because it's something you think you need, that you think

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<v Speaker 1>you can do. I mean, Philly made a splash two

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<v Speaker 1>years ago when the draft was in Chicago for wins. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago made a splash last year for Mitchell Trubisky, like

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<v Speaker 1>Houston and I mean that type of stuff. It's usually

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<v Speaker 1>something like in order for me to think it's like

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<v Speaker 1>this crazy splash, I gotta think it's like a quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>or you gotta be comming. I mean, if you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go from nineteen to three to get Bradley Chubb, which, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see that happening to y'all. Did you see

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<v Speaker 1>your you see your buddying in Indie trait trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get out of that spot for the right deal. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>but then then he didn't pack, guys, so he's got

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<v Speaker 1>to sit there and pick Chubb. I think I think

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<v Speaker 1>Chubb has got to be high on their list. Is

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<v Speaker 1>he looking at quarterback at all? I don't know. It

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like then, I mean, I don't think so. They're

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<v Speaker 1>saying that the who is coming out of Vendi. It's positive. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's like throwing with weighted balls. It's the most optimistic

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<v Speaker 1>they've been in a while. But I also heard he

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<v Speaker 1>was throwing and then they shut him down again, and

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<v Speaker 1>then is he back throwing? We'll be We'll be there

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<v Speaker 1>next week. You have to let a play out, I

0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:56.200
<v Speaker 1>think if you're Indie. But regardless of this team, they're

0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:57.800
<v Speaker 1>not going to make a splash just for the sake

0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:01.240
<v Speaker 1>of making a splash. I'll entertain, I'll entertain Michael real

0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:03.399
<v Speaker 1>quick though, Like, if they were going to do something

0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:06.720
<v Speaker 1>just bats who who who would you do it for?

0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:09.360
<v Speaker 1>Because we had that show. No, well, what you said

0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Quintin Nelson? Oh, I know, but I mean Quintin Nelson.

0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:13.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, then you would go all the way

0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:15.160
<v Speaker 1>up to try and get Quintin Nelson. I don't see.

0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:17.000
<v Speaker 1>But but it's not but we were trying to Again,

0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:21.280
<v Speaker 1>he's right about Roquan Smith, but that's not a splash

0:22:21.320 --> 0:22:24.200
<v Speaker 1>to me. I'm talking about something really well, he's he's

0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:26.280
<v Speaker 1>one of the best defensive players in this draft, right,

0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:29.640
<v Speaker 1>But it's but I'm talking about a freaking like Myles

0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:32.560
<v Speaker 1>Garrett was in the draft. Yeah, then you consider even

0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:34.640
<v Speaker 1>using next year's one to go and get him because he's,

0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:37.600
<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, a transcendent player, a guy that can

0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:40.760
<v Speaker 1>really change the way you play defense and help you

0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:43.239
<v Speaker 1>win ball games. I don't know if there is that

0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:45.879
<v Speaker 1>guy in this draft. I like Braley Chubble a lot,

0:22:46.000 --> 0:22:48.320
<v Speaker 1>he's not Miles Garrett. I like some of these offensive

0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:51.240
<v Speaker 1>players like Quentin Neilson. Yeah, he's not that for im

0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:53.840
<v Speaker 1>me at least, So I don't think there is unless

0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:55.639
<v Speaker 1>it's one of the quarterback. I couldn't. Yeah, I couldn't

0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:57.240
<v Speaker 1>see him doing it unless it was for a quarterback,

0:22:57.280 --> 0:22:59.240
<v Speaker 1>And I don't see them doing that. I'd agree, So

0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:02.600
<v Speaker 1>could they do it? Goes secure Ridley if they feel

0:23:02.640 --> 0:23:04.800
<v Speaker 1>like that, If they feel like that, we talked about this.

0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:06.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean I would trade my third to go up

0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:08.280
<v Speaker 1>in fifty to fifteen. You want to go to Arizona

0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:11.040
<v Speaker 1>at fifteen head of Baltimore, Yeah, exactly, get your wide receiver.

0:23:11.520 --> 0:23:13.800
<v Speaker 1>If that constitute did that for Jess Bryant by then

0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:16.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm making a splash. Yeah. I don't think that constitute is.

0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:19.440
<v Speaker 1>I think they sit there and pick at nineteen. I

0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:21.600
<v Speaker 1>would likely I would tend to agree or try to

0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:23.639
<v Speaker 1>get out of it if that's possible. Go back and

0:23:23.680 --> 0:23:26.000
<v Speaker 1>watch that show, though, I would encourage. Yeah, yeah, if

0:23:26.000 --> 0:23:28.800
<v Speaker 1>he hadn't seen the show from Monday. Spencer wants to

0:23:28.840 --> 0:23:30.280
<v Speaker 1>know this is a good one with you know, we're

0:23:30.320 --> 0:23:32.800
<v Speaker 1>leaving for the combine in a few days. Uh. You

0:23:32.840 --> 0:23:35.800
<v Speaker 1>know we talk about combine darlings, but what about a

0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:38.160
<v Speaker 1>guy who you don't expect to have a good combine,

0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:41.359
<v Speaker 1>who he still thinks a good player, like basically a

0:23:41.400 --> 0:23:45.320
<v Speaker 1>guy with good tape who's not a workout warrior. I

0:23:45.320 --> 0:23:47.960
<v Speaker 1>think there are a few. Um, have you looked at

0:23:48.000 --> 0:23:50.240
<v Speaker 1>Royce Freeman, the running back from Oregon. Yeah, I think

0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:52.399
<v Speaker 1>he'd fallow that he would fallow in that category. You're

0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:54.080
<v Speaker 1>absolutely right, he's not a He's not gonna be a

0:23:54.080 --> 0:23:57.440
<v Speaker 1>workout warrior. Um, you know the I don't think he's

0:23:57.440 --> 0:24:00.360
<v Speaker 1>gonna be poor in those workouts, but I think he's

0:24:00.359 --> 0:24:03.800
<v Speaker 1>not going to be great either. DeShawn Hamilton from Penn

0:24:03.880 --> 0:24:06.800
<v Speaker 1>State wide receiver who He's gonna be a four five

0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:09.520
<v Speaker 1>five guy probably and in this draft, I mean he's

0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:14.040
<v Speaker 1>probably a top three route runner, right. U saw Hubbard

0:24:14.160 --> 0:24:17.000
<v Speaker 1>from Ohio State. Yeah, a lot of people thinking very

0:24:17.080 --> 0:24:20.320
<v Speaker 1>highly of him, and he might just have okay numbers,

0:24:20.920 --> 0:24:23.040
<v Speaker 1>but Ohio State will train hard. I mean those kids

0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:25.560
<v Speaker 1>will be prepared. But do you think his numbers will

0:24:25.600 --> 0:24:28.880
<v Speaker 1>be just kind of okay? Probably because I don't think

0:24:28.880 --> 0:24:32.399
<v Speaker 1>he's that which yeah right, yeah, but a lot of

0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:36.639
<v Speaker 1>bas like him. I mean, yeah, he's gonna play smart, instinctive,

0:24:37.200 --> 0:24:39.320
<v Speaker 1>loses his hands, so yeah, I think he's in there.

0:24:39.320 --> 0:24:43.120
<v Speaker 1>And then Chub, Yeah, I think more important for Nick

0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:45.560
<v Speaker 1>Chub's gonna be the medicals making sure that knee's okay,

0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:47.560
<v Speaker 1>had that big knee injury as a sophomore. I think

0:24:47.680 --> 0:24:50.159
<v Speaker 1>one name that I think really fits this question is

0:24:50.240 --> 0:24:53.560
<v Speaker 1>Josie Jewel. Yeah, because he's not gonna test really well,

0:24:53.800 --> 0:24:56.560
<v Speaker 1>but he doesn't need to because on tape he's really good. Yeah,

0:24:56.600 --> 0:24:59.560
<v Speaker 1>the instincts are what you're buying with Josie Jewel. You know,

0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:01.600
<v Speaker 1>we saw him against one on one with Saquon Barkley.

0:25:01.800 --> 0:25:03.960
<v Speaker 1>That's a hard matchup for any line back, right, but

0:25:04.240 --> 0:25:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Josie Joe kind of got exploited a little bit. But

0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:09.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean there're se Quon Barkley type of backs in

0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:13.400
<v Speaker 1>this league, so seeing his workout numbers will be interesting.

0:25:13.480 --> 0:25:16.160
<v Speaker 1>But I don't think it's gonna do much to move

0:25:16.160 --> 0:25:18.400
<v Speaker 1>the needle with this tape. You know, you feel good

0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:20.400
<v Speaker 1>if you feel good about the tape. I don't think

0:25:20.400 --> 0:25:22.320
<v Speaker 1>that combines is really going to persuade you from that.

0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:26.320
<v Speaker 1>Jared wants to know, Um, what good names really good names?

0:25:26.600 --> 0:25:28.879
<v Speaker 1>What position do you all think will be picked the

0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:32.360
<v Speaker 1>most in the top fifty? Why? What a good question?

0:25:35.160 --> 0:25:37.360
<v Speaker 1>People will value this receiver as you think I think

0:25:37.359 --> 0:25:40.360
<v Speaker 1>wide receiver in corner. Yeah, because you look at it,

0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:43.600
<v Speaker 1>it's it's not gonna be quarterbacks. We'll probably see five quarterbacks,

0:25:43.600 --> 0:25:49.040
<v Speaker 1>maybe six running backs. Got a shot. Yeah, But I

0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:51.639
<v Speaker 1>think when you and it goes to you know, the

0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:53.920
<v Speaker 1>position that you carry most on the team as well,

0:25:53.960 --> 0:25:58.320
<v Speaker 1>wide receivers and corners. So there's just there's more supply

0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:02.640
<v Speaker 1>in this drafts with those positions. Plus they're both two

0:26:02.640 --> 0:26:07.639
<v Speaker 1>of the strongest positions in this draft. The Phillips payin

0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:11.920
<v Speaker 1>you love, you love this defensive tackle class. That's what

0:26:11.960 --> 0:26:13.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, though, could could you could you see like

0:26:13.960 --> 0:26:20.119
<v Speaker 1>four of those guys, we could easily see ten interior

0:26:20.160 --> 0:26:23.200
<v Speaker 1>defensive tackles, interior defensive linement off the board and from

0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:25.320
<v Speaker 1>the top. Oh no, I'm not top fifty. I'm thinking

0:26:25.320 --> 0:26:27.240
<v Speaker 1>top hunt one hundred. I was just thinking about maybe

0:26:27.240 --> 0:26:32.280
<v Speaker 1>four defensive tackles. It depends on like first, Payne Phillipeah

0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:36.360
<v Speaker 1>Phillips a top fifty, Yes, okay, since there there's five, Yeah, yeah,

0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:40.200
<v Speaker 1>that's possible. But you look at wide receiver, Yeah, Ridley Moore,

0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:46.120
<v Speaker 1>Kirk Miller, Sutton, Washington, Washington, Gallup. Maybe I said these

0:26:46.119 --> 0:26:48.480
<v Speaker 1>wide receivers are You're gonna for a lot of people

0:26:48.560 --> 0:26:50.840
<v Speaker 1>that people like Sutton, Yeah, you're gonna a different order,

0:26:50.960 --> 0:26:54.000
<v Speaker 1>A big combine important for him. Yeah, and then a

0:26:54.080 --> 0:26:56.480
<v Speaker 1>corner I mentioned, I think corner might be. I think

0:26:56.480 --> 0:26:59.359
<v Speaker 1>corner is the answer, to be honest, Pink Denzel, Ward Hughes,

0:26:59.720 --> 0:27:03.719
<v Speaker 1>Giant Aer, Alexander, Josh Jackson, Isaiah Oliver, Carlton Davis, Dante Jackson.

0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:06.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's eight right there, who Award Fitzpatrick Hughes,

0:27:06.600 --> 0:27:09.920
<v Speaker 1>Alexander Jackson, Carlton Davis. Yeah, I mean six right there

0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:13.160
<v Speaker 1>that I have. Yeah, So I think corner is the answer. Yeah,

0:27:13.880 --> 0:27:18.680
<v Speaker 1>black Ice wants to know who's avoid Yeah, no, don't

0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:21.240
<v Speaker 1>drive on it. Who's a player you think is going

0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:24.400
<v Speaker 1>to fly up the board and into the top fifteen

0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:26.639
<v Speaker 1>who maybe we're not talking about right now, which the

0:27:26.680 --> 0:27:32.200
<v Speaker 1>combine will do that for you, m top fifteen, which

0:27:32.240 --> 0:27:37.840
<v Speaker 1>I think that James the obvious James, Yeah, Derwin, James's

0:27:37.840 --> 0:27:41.080
<v Speaker 1>already there. Do you think he's already He's already there? Okay, okay,

0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:43.280
<v Speaker 1>But I'm just saying where mocks have had him go

0:27:43.400 --> 0:27:45.080
<v Speaker 1>in has been kind of in that. I think it's

0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:47.920
<v Speaker 1>more because people just don't know what to do with him. Yeah,

0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:50.520
<v Speaker 1>and so like charge yourself a bunch of Needle and

0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:52.239
<v Speaker 1>I've been guilty of this too. I'll just put him

0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:56.800
<v Speaker 1>in not San Diego, La. But I think Derwin James

0:27:57.080 --> 0:27:59.480
<v Speaker 1>is one of the top twelve players in this draft,

0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:05.479
<v Speaker 1>so I'll give you and I don't think you like him.

0:28:06.240 --> 0:28:09.280
<v Speaker 1>I think you like him. You got but you got

0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:15.280
<v Speaker 1>Pierce above him. Say the name Daniels, the center from Iowa.

0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:18.040
<v Speaker 1>You can go top fifteen. I'm just saying, if somebody

0:28:18.320 --> 0:28:20.560
<v Speaker 1>is thinking about an offense, you know we've had in

0:28:20.600 --> 0:28:24.040
<v Speaker 1>the past, like Florida State, what was a Florida State

0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:29.240
<v Speaker 1>guy that didn't Detroit take a cinner? Cameron Irving, Cameron Irving, Cleveland, Cleveland,

0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:31.960
<v Speaker 1>it was that Cleveland. Yeah, let's not bring up that wound.

0:28:32.000 --> 0:28:33.439
<v Speaker 1>Well though, that was a you know, but yeah, it

0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:35.679
<v Speaker 1>was a sinner though, right, Yeah, he's terrible and they

0:28:35.680 --> 0:28:38.000
<v Speaker 1>traded him to Chiefs for like a fifth throng pick.

0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:40.800
<v Speaker 1>But see, that's what I'm saying, thoughts, he's a he's

0:28:40.800 --> 0:28:42.840
<v Speaker 1>a better player than Irving, though I think I mean

0:28:42.920 --> 0:28:45.239
<v Speaker 1>not oh yeah, yeah, yeah, but but could it could win?

0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:49.080
<v Speaker 1>Could your guy Billy Price could when those sinners go

0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:52.120
<v Speaker 1>up the board and we're not really talking about in

0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:54.160
<v Speaker 1>a draft without a lot of blue chip guys. You're

0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:56.880
<v Speaker 1>talking about two quote unquote hate using the word, but

0:28:57.000 --> 0:29:00.120
<v Speaker 1>safe players. Yeah, guys that you feel great about the

0:29:00.600 --> 0:29:03.040
<v Speaker 1>person in the player that you're getting h plug and play,

0:29:03.200 --> 0:29:05.880
<v Speaker 1>and you have a position filled for the foreseeable future.

0:29:05.920 --> 0:29:08.360
<v Speaker 1>So I don't think those are crazy names. That makes

0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:11.360
<v Speaker 1>some sense. I'd still be surprised if either one went

0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:14.280
<v Speaker 1>top fifteen, but I could see the I mean, I'm

0:29:14.280 --> 0:29:16.600
<v Speaker 1>just looking for a name of a guy you talked

0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:20.680
<v Speaker 1>about all those corners though as well. What about Drawn Pain.

0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:23.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't think we talked about him as much as

0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:25.480
<v Speaker 1>a top fifteen, but he's yeah, he's gonna test. Well.

0:29:25.840 --> 0:29:27.920
<v Speaker 1>You didn't even put him in your tackle list right

0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:30.560
<v Speaker 1>there a minute ago. I don't know. I did. I did, Yeah,

0:29:30.560 --> 0:29:33.440
<v Speaker 1>I had, I had him, I had, Yeah, Phillips Pain.

0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:35.960
<v Speaker 1>I think we talked about him more as a back half,

0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:38.840
<v Speaker 1>a round one player, right. He could easily go top fifty,

0:29:38.960 --> 0:29:40.880
<v Speaker 1>He could go top ten. It wouldn't surprise me at all.

0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah too. But if you watch him playing those

0:29:43.480 --> 0:29:46.760
<v Speaker 1>the playoff game in National Championship, if you just had

0:29:46.760 --> 0:29:50.320
<v Speaker 1>those two games, those two games could sway you easily. Yeah, easily,

0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Like those two games could sway you. But you watch

0:29:52.280 --> 0:29:54.800
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the work, you're kind of going, come on, man,

0:29:54.880 --> 0:29:56.720
<v Speaker 1>win a little more. Those are the first two games

0:29:56.760 --> 0:29:58.800
<v Speaker 1>you start with. You always want to start with, like

0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:01.000
<v Speaker 1>the games that and you're like whoa. And then all

0:30:01.000 --> 0:30:03.600
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden you're watching and play LSU and some

0:30:03.640 --> 0:30:06.560
<v Speaker 1>other old miss and you're going, where's the same guy

0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:10.600
<v Speaker 1>that was just pummeling you know Clemson? And yeah, you

0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:14.440
<v Speaker 1>know pummeling. Uh you know Georgia, Georgia. One more name

0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:20.440
<v Speaker 1>all throw Bullamore Jackson, Louisville. Oh, we're gonna talk about

0:30:20.480 --> 0:30:22.479
<v Speaker 1>that later, right yeah, yeah, But whenever we could get

0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:25.520
<v Speaker 1>into that right now, that wouldn't be crazy. That wouldn't

0:30:25.520 --> 0:30:28.200
<v Speaker 1>be crazy for a player with his talent for a

0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:31.320
<v Speaker 1>team just to high risk kid reward. Hey shoot your shot,

0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:33.280
<v Speaker 1>let's go for it. People kind of like the same

0:30:33.320 --> 0:30:35.520
<v Speaker 1>what they did with a tech quarterback. Like right at

0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:38.520
<v Speaker 1>this home, at this time last year, all we weren't

0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:41.320
<v Speaker 1>talking about Mahomes. We were talking about him at fifteen.

0:30:41.360 --> 0:30:44.960
<v Speaker 1>We were talking about him at fifty. Maybe polarizing crazy guy, Yeah,

0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:48.120
<v Speaker 1>top fifty, number ten overall is all it takes is

0:30:48.160 --> 0:30:52.000
<v Speaker 1>one team to believe in him, and you know, say

0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:56.160
<v Speaker 1>Arizona at fifteen, they need a quarterback. If they fall

0:30:56.200 --> 0:30:58.440
<v Speaker 1>in love, they believe in him, they we're not gonna

0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:00.400
<v Speaker 1>wait until the second round and hope you get him. Yeah,

0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:02.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, why trade back? And if you have a

0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:05.480
<v Speaker 1>quarterback you want, don't trade away from him and hope

0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:07.640
<v Speaker 1>you get him later. You take him there. So I

0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:10.240
<v Speaker 1>don't think you could rule out Lamar Jackson. Could Lamar

0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:12.960
<v Speaker 1>who who's more likely to be a trade up candidate?

0:31:14.040 --> 0:31:18.920
<v Speaker 1>Jackson or Mayfield? Or can you throw Allan in there too? Oh? Yeah?

0:31:18.960 --> 0:31:21.960
<v Speaker 1>If if the top two go, if the top two, yeah,

0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:25.000
<v Speaker 1>it's the top two go. Say the top two say

0:31:25.080 --> 0:31:28.520
<v Speaker 1>it's like everybody's mock it's Darnel and Rosen, They're gone.

0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:32.800
<v Speaker 1>Who is the who is the trade up quarterback? Of

0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:35.920
<v Speaker 1>those three? It's so hard to say because we don't know.

0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:42.680
<v Speaker 1>That's really that's fun because it's um like you got Alan,

0:31:42.800 --> 0:31:46.720
<v Speaker 1>who's like the prototype without the results, and you got Mayfield,

0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:49.760
<v Speaker 1>who's the results without the build, different skill set. Lamar

0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:52.320
<v Speaker 1>Jackson's probably in the middle between the two of them,

0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:55.120
<v Speaker 1>of like he's got the build and some of the results,

0:31:55.120 --> 0:31:58.040
<v Speaker 1>but some calls this question marks. This isn't a draft

0:31:58.240 --> 0:32:00.720
<v Speaker 1>of quarterbacks where oh we didn't get our our top guy,

0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:02.760
<v Speaker 1>would just go with the next best guy, like, yeah,

0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:04.440
<v Speaker 1>we don't get him, Okay, we'll just good night. Yeah,

0:32:04.440 --> 0:32:06.440
<v Speaker 1>we'll just wait, We'll wait get the Yeah, we'll get

0:32:06.480 --> 0:32:08.600
<v Speaker 1>the Richmond kid or something. So you fall in love

0:32:08.640 --> 0:32:10.560
<v Speaker 1>with a quarterback and you go and get him, you

0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:13.200
<v Speaker 1>don't just that's what I'm saying. You know, we we

0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:16.400
<v Speaker 1>can't trade up from Mayfield, so we'll just take Alan here. No,

0:32:16.640 --> 0:32:19.240
<v Speaker 1>you you target us specific quarterback and you go and

0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:22.760
<v Speaker 1>get him. If you told me the Cardinals love Josh Allen,

0:32:23.080 --> 0:32:25.200
<v Speaker 1>I believe it. You told me they love Baker Mayfield,

0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:29.200
<v Speaker 1>I'll believe it. The Lamar Jackson. It's these quarterbacks are

0:32:29.240 --> 0:32:32.520
<v Speaker 1>so diverse and so so we can't answer who. The

0:32:33.280 --> 0:32:35.920
<v Speaker 1>hard thing to answer, especially right now pre combined well

0:32:35.920 --> 0:32:38.920
<v Speaker 1>what's fine? I mean, what one too? Let me ask

0:32:38.920 --> 0:32:41.200
<v Speaker 1>you this one word questioning. Four of the top six

0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:44.120
<v Speaker 1>are teams that you could convince me need a quarterback.

0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:45.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you could quip, but going down to the

0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:47.959
<v Speaker 1>Jets right at six. You can quibble about the Giants

0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:51.320
<v Speaker 1>if you if you want to, But That's what depends

0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:53.760
<v Speaker 1>up what Denver does if they get Cousins. Cousins is

0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:56.840
<v Speaker 1>the first domino it needs to fall. Yeah, and he

0:32:56.880 --> 0:32:59.360
<v Speaker 1>could go to Minnesota, who knows, you know, and yeah,

0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:02.120
<v Speaker 1>and then you have the second tier your case, Keenum's

0:33:02.160 --> 0:33:05.040
<v Speaker 1>those guys, and once those dominoes fall, we'll have a

0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:08.200
<v Speaker 1>better idea for these quarterbacks. But all we know Cleveland

0:33:08.280 --> 0:33:10.320
<v Speaker 1>might love Baker Mayfield. We don't, you know, It's just

0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:12.120
<v Speaker 1>there's no way for us to know. I think Sam

0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:14.400
<v Speaker 1>Donald's a top quarterback. I think he'd be a perfect

0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:17.720
<v Speaker 1>fit for what John Dorsey's looking for, But we don't know.

0:33:18.280 --> 0:33:21.200
<v Speaker 1>So it's really hard to talk about these quarterbacks. Was

0:33:21.480 --> 0:33:23.760
<v Speaker 1>really any certainty. I mean, at this time last year,

0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:26.840
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about Trubisky is maybe the big guy, and

0:33:26.840 --> 0:33:28.640
<v Speaker 1>then next thing, you know, KT rolls in here and

0:33:28.640 --> 0:33:33.240
<v Speaker 1>says he's going top three. Yeah, my sources the same thing. Yeah,

0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:34.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, there we go. Try it was you, It

0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:37.160
<v Speaker 1>was you and KT were on that. Yeah, exactly right.

0:33:37.720 --> 0:33:40.960
<v Speaker 1>You know. It's just as the this whole process plays out,

0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:44.360
<v Speaker 1>hopefully we have a better clearer picture of that. But

0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:48.240
<v Speaker 1>right now it's hard to say. Dakota I don't know

0:33:48.280 --> 0:33:50.120
<v Speaker 1>if this is Yeah, I mean, I don't north. Yes,

0:33:50.520 --> 0:33:52.959
<v Speaker 1>I doubt it's. I doubt it's that Dakota back Dakota.

0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:54.800
<v Speaker 1>He's got better stuff to do than listen to the

0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:59.720
<v Speaker 1>trash show. Um. Maybe he wants y'all's thoughts on some

0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:03.760
<v Speaker 1>les who aren't named Derwin James talking about them Knolls,

0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:09.359
<v Speaker 1>Maybe you guy Naughty, Yeah, McFadden, Sweat. See, I didn't

0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:12.960
<v Speaker 1>like Sweat as much. I wasn't as high on Sweat

0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:15.239
<v Speaker 1>as the others. Let's give it some structure here, Like

0:34:15.320 --> 0:34:17.640
<v Speaker 1>of the of the options I just gave you, I mean,

0:34:17.680 --> 0:34:20.040
<v Speaker 1>I would take Naughty over the over the if you

0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:22.080
<v Speaker 1>gave me the give me the highest ranking knoll not

0:34:22.239 --> 0:34:25.240
<v Speaker 1>named James, Naughty would be my guy. That's the defensive

0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:30.600
<v Speaker 1>tack right then. Then I would say probably McFadden and

0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:33.200
<v Speaker 1>then Sweat. I think it's how I would rank them.

0:34:33.440 --> 0:34:37.960
<v Speaker 1>Where would fall on that. I'm not an audate fan,

0:34:38.040 --> 0:34:40.160
<v Speaker 1>and I didn't bring him up because of the lack

0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:43.480
<v Speaker 1>of speed. Okay, I'm trying to find I'm okay, if

0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:45.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm drafting for this team, I'm trying to get a

0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:49.040
<v Speaker 1>player that can give me something down there. Yeah, I agreed,

0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:52.520
<v Speaker 1>naughty well ta Varus McFadden plays corner and Josh Sweat

0:34:52.520 --> 0:34:55.520
<v Speaker 1>plays end. Yeah, I and and maybe Sweat will end

0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:57.719
<v Speaker 1>up being a two hundred and fifty pounds, So it's

0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:01.479
<v Speaker 1>up the combine. He's gonna test really well. Sure, how's

0:35:01.520 --> 0:35:06.319
<v Speaker 1>that tape? Remember it's okay, he's a If I show

0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:09.360
<v Speaker 1>you his ten best plays, you'd swear you're watching a

0:35:08.960 --> 0:35:13.239
<v Speaker 1>slightly smaller Geneveon Clowney. Like you know, the highlights are good,

0:35:13.360 --> 0:35:16.919
<v Speaker 1>it's just it's a consistency. He's an issue. There also

0:35:17.000 --> 0:35:20.120
<v Speaker 1>factor in the medicals. He had a devastating knee injury

0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:22.320
<v Speaker 1>his senior year in high school, and to his credit,

0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:25.000
<v Speaker 1>he's you know, came he came back really quickly, and

0:35:25.040 --> 0:35:28.239
<v Speaker 1>he's played well. He's been durable. But teams are still

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:30.520
<v Speaker 1>going to worry about the durability long term. Where's a

0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:32.800
<v Speaker 1>knee brace on his knee? I've seen that too. Is

0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:36.960
<v Speaker 1>that the problem? Yeah? Um, so I'm with you more.

0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:40.120
<v Speaker 1>I saw a guy that played late. Yeah, guy laid

0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:43.160
<v Speaker 1>off the snap, you know, And you're right about the

0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:46.520
<v Speaker 1>change of direction, the balance. I think this is gonna

0:35:46.520 --> 0:35:49.279
<v Speaker 1>test really well. He's gonna test well. I mean he I.

0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:51.120
<v Speaker 1>The thing about that I had a problem is I

0:35:51.120 --> 0:35:54.560
<v Speaker 1>didn't see a guy that reacted quickly. That was the problem.

0:35:54.560 --> 0:35:57.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I felt like that the ball at times

0:35:57.280 --> 0:35:59.279
<v Speaker 1>was going past him and he was and he was

0:35:59.360 --> 0:36:03.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of still looking for it, you know. But I

0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:05.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I didn't see a very powerful guy either.

0:36:05.960 --> 0:36:08.160
<v Speaker 1>That bothered me as well. Playing that end, I thought

0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:11.120
<v Speaker 1>he showed improvement against the run as a run just

0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:13.319
<v Speaker 1>as a run player and you know, doing it, but

0:36:13.360 --> 0:36:15.399
<v Speaker 1>there's still times where he gave up the corner. Yeah,

0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:18.560
<v Speaker 1>lost contain and yeah, so I agree with you. He's

0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:22.680
<v Speaker 1>I game a three to four based on tape. So, um,

0:36:22.719 --> 0:36:26.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, we'll see McFadden's he's in there, But

0:36:26.200 --> 0:36:28.840
<v Speaker 1>I agree with you about naughty. He's he's part of

0:36:28.840 --> 0:36:33.120
<v Speaker 1>this really loaded one technique nose tackle group. Not the

0:36:33.440 --> 0:36:35.320
<v Speaker 1>not the biggest guy, and he's probably only gonna be

0:36:35.360 --> 0:36:39.760
<v Speaker 1>about shade over six foot right, right, But he's he's stout,

0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:44.240
<v Speaker 1>he's powerful, he's got a little lower body explosion. UM.

0:36:44.280 --> 0:36:45.919
<v Speaker 1>I like the way he can two gap and see

0:36:45.920 --> 0:36:47.959
<v Speaker 1>through blocks so he can make tackles in the middle

0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:51.680
<v Speaker 1>of the field. Not he's a good player for sure, Uh,

0:36:51.800 --> 0:36:55.600
<v Speaker 1>mister Vayos, which I don't. I don't classify this in

0:36:55.640 --> 0:36:58.520
<v Speaker 1>the same category as the splash question. He just says, Uh,

0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:02.320
<v Speaker 1>with this this season being so crucial for the Cowboys coaches,

0:37:02.360 --> 0:37:04.480
<v Speaker 1>I think that's probably fair last chance and you see

0:37:04.480 --> 0:37:06.879
<v Speaker 1>them being more aggressive in this draft because of that.

0:37:07.320 --> 0:37:09.200
<v Speaker 1>And that's why, I mean, you know, giving up next

0:37:09.280 --> 0:37:14.440
<v Speaker 1>year's one, we'll make it someone else's problem, or draft

0:37:14.480 --> 0:37:17.040
<v Speaker 1>a guard because you need a starting caliber player. I mean,

0:37:17.320 --> 0:37:19.560
<v Speaker 1>it could be something that simple. And that's where that's

0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:21.319
<v Speaker 1>where the front office has to step in. Well, and

0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:23.800
<v Speaker 1>that's where it's one of the benefits of your owner

0:37:23.840 --> 0:37:26.200
<v Speaker 1>and GM being basically the same person, right, because the

0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:29.480
<v Speaker 1>owner is not going to sacrifice future years right to

0:37:29.560 --> 0:37:31.440
<v Speaker 1>go all in and one year. Yeah. Yeah. The coaches

0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:34.880
<v Speaker 1>obviously have heavy input, right, and if Jason Garrett or

0:37:34.920 --> 0:37:38.160
<v Speaker 1>the offensive coaches really want a player, they'll make that known.

0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:42.360
<v Speaker 1>But it still comes down to the front office and

0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:45.799
<v Speaker 1>especially the Jones family, and they're not going to sacrifice

0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:48.000
<v Speaker 1>future years just to try and win it all or

0:37:48.120 --> 0:37:53.080
<v Speaker 1>take that next step immediately. Bonus question, Well, let's go

0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:54.680
<v Speaker 1>to a break. You have a bonus question. You have

0:37:54.719 --> 0:37:56.400
<v Speaker 1>one question real quick. Okay, kind I want to get

0:37:56.400 --> 0:37:58.400
<v Speaker 1>into these pet cat things. Zach wants to know a

0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:02.640
<v Speaker 1>bone in or a bone out wings? Bone in? Wait,

0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:04.720
<v Speaker 1>what do you mean bone in bone out? Like boneless

0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:08.319
<v Speaker 1>wings or wings? B bons wings? Get out? Boneless wings

0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:10.080
<v Speaker 1>are just chicken nuggets. All right, I'm glad we all

0:38:10.080 --> 0:38:12.919
<v Speaker 1>agree on that. So bonus bonus. Flats are drums. I'm

0:38:12.920 --> 0:38:16.760
<v Speaker 1>a flat guy. Drums, drums flat. Give me all the flats.

0:38:16.800 --> 0:38:20.000
<v Speaker 1>You can't go wrong. But no you can't. But you

0:38:20.000 --> 0:38:22.759
<v Speaker 1>have to do that extra bit. Wi you that just match.

0:38:22.840 --> 0:38:24.520
<v Speaker 1>You don't know how to eat them, I'll show you.

0:38:24.600 --> 0:38:26.640
<v Speaker 1>I'll show you. Let's do that wings for lunch. Yeah,

0:38:26.680 --> 0:38:30.000
<v Speaker 1>thanks so much. Thanks everybody out there for twitter on

0:38:30.040 --> 0:38:32.200
<v Speaker 1>the twenty. We do appreciate it. When we come back,

0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:35.080
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna get into some pet cats. Stay tuned. Cowboys

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<v Speaker 1>Back here at the Draft show of the SWBC Mortgage Studios.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian brought a stain burglar. David Hellman, Kent Garrison, Executive Producing.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got about fifteen minutes or so we're gonna get

0:40:47.800 --> 0:40:49.839
<v Speaker 1>into some pet cats, and I also want to get

0:40:49.880 --> 0:40:54.880
<v Speaker 1>into some talk with the media, scouts and stuff like that,

0:40:55.080 --> 0:40:57.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of what we're seeing here and what we're feeling

0:40:58.000 --> 0:41:00.680
<v Speaker 1>about that. But I want to get into, like I say,

0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:03.360
<v Speaker 1>the pet cats stuff, and h David, I'll start with

0:41:03.440 --> 0:41:06.719
<v Speaker 1>you about your pet cats, okay, And I want you

0:41:06.760 --> 0:41:08.879
<v Speaker 1>to tell me, tell me the guys. I would give

0:41:08.880 --> 0:41:11.799
<v Speaker 1>me three guys that you're kind of looking at yours

0:41:11.840 --> 0:41:15.120
<v Speaker 1>your pet cats, that you would that if the Cowboys

0:41:15.360 --> 0:41:18.279
<v Speaker 1>managed to draft these guys, you would be totally on

0:41:18.320 --> 0:41:23.120
<v Speaker 1>board with it. Well, uh, Dane unceremoniously stole one of mine.

0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:25.400
<v Speaker 1>But he's way more He's way more eloquent than me.

0:41:25.520 --> 0:41:27.680
<v Speaker 1>So I'll let him talk about that guy. But and

0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:30.439
<v Speaker 1>I won't beat it into the ground because I've talked

0:41:30.440 --> 0:41:33.719
<v Speaker 1>about Derwin James enough. But I just think if you're

0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:36.359
<v Speaker 1>gonna really you know, somebody asked me today, I was like, well,

0:41:36.360 --> 0:41:38.920
<v Speaker 1>if they don't get Derwin James, is there a safety

0:41:39.000 --> 0:41:42.120
<v Speaker 1>that can make an upgrade the position right away as

0:41:42.120 --> 0:41:44.799
<v Speaker 1>a rookie? And I'm like, no, I don't really think

0:41:44.800 --> 0:41:48.799
<v Speaker 1>there is. Um you know, I don't necessarily know one

0:41:48.880 --> 0:41:51.360
<v Speaker 1>hundred percent how you would handle that. You obviously have

0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:53.759
<v Speaker 1>a wealth of dbs back there to deal with. But

0:41:53.880 --> 0:41:56.200
<v Speaker 1>I think he's on the field from the get He's

0:41:56.239 --> 0:42:00.680
<v Speaker 1>incredibly athletic. I understand Dane's point about, you know, better

0:42:00.719 --> 0:42:03.400
<v Speaker 1>athlete than football player, but when you're as freakish an

0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:05.680
<v Speaker 1>athlete as he is, it can help cover up some

0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:07.880
<v Speaker 1>of your shortcomings as a football player. We've seen that

0:42:07.920 --> 0:42:10.560
<v Speaker 1>with Byron Jones. I think he could play strong. I

0:42:10.560 --> 0:42:12.680
<v Speaker 1>think he could play free. Y'all said, y'all told me

0:42:12.719 --> 0:42:14.600
<v Speaker 1>you think he can play big nickel, which is very

0:42:14.640 --> 0:42:18.440
<v Speaker 1>intriguing to me. I just I think he's awesome, and

0:42:18.880 --> 0:42:22.399
<v Speaker 1>the other one it doesn't make a ton of sense

0:42:22.400 --> 0:42:24.480
<v Speaker 1>for the Cowboys, But I just love Ronald Jones. I

0:42:24.480 --> 0:42:27.480
<v Speaker 1>think he gets buried when you're talking about the Barkleys

0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:30.400
<v Speaker 1>and the guises of the world. I think he's a

0:42:30.400 --> 0:42:32.680
<v Speaker 1>little bit of a do everything guy. I think he's dynamic.

0:42:32.719 --> 0:42:34.680
<v Speaker 1>I won't be surprised if he's a first round pick

0:42:35.080 --> 0:42:37.680
<v Speaker 1>and then one that I've really grown to like, you know,

0:42:37.760 --> 0:42:39.680
<v Speaker 1>just over the time we've been doing the draft show.

0:42:40.480 --> 0:42:44.160
<v Speaker 1>Is your boy Jack Sinschi from Wisconsin? I know, I mean,

0:42:44.440 --> 0:42:46.520
<v Speaker 1>he's played what six games in the last two years.

0:42:46.600 --> 0:42:51.719
<v Speaker 1>I get that it's scary, but he's you know, he's

0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:54.719
<v Speaker 1>one of those like heady Wisconsin Big ten lineback. I mean,

0:42:54.800 --> 0:42:57.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, a good player. You hate to make comparisons

0:42:57.440 --> 0:43:00.960
<v Speaker 1>just because of the school, but I've freaking loved Borland

0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:03.000
<v Speaker 1>coming out of the draft a few years ago, and

0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:05.719
<v Speaker 1>I think he's just like that. He hits hard, he

0:43:05.760 --> 0:43:08.920
<v Speaker 1>knows where to be. Smart. Um, he fits all the

0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:12.279
<v Speaker 1>stereotypes of a walk on. Yeah. No, he's a chip

0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:16.719
<v Speaker 1>on her shoulder. The hustle, the motor uh yeah, just

0:43:16.760 --> 0:43:19.080
<v Speaker 1>the NonStop the way he plays. So I'm with you.

0:43:19.160 --> 0:43:22.200
<v Speaker 1>He's a good player. It's he's he's gonna be really interesting.

0:43:22.280 --> 0:43:25.879
<v Speaker 1>I hope he can stay healthy, but next week could

0:43:25.920 --> 0:43:28.799
<v Speaker 1>be huge for him. Yeah. I just I love that

0:43:28.880 --> 0:43:30.799
<v Speaker 1>kind of player. I mean, he wasn't a walk on,

0:43:30.920 --> 0:43:32.920
<v Speaker 1>not that I'm aware of, but like it sounds like

0:43:32.960 --> 0:43:35.160
<v Speaker 1>Anthony Hitchins. You know, like he's not gonna wow you

0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:37.960
<v Speaker 1>with that with his athleticism, but you can tell that

0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:39.719
<v Speaker 1>he loves football and he knows where to be and

0:43:40.480 --> 0:43:42.520
<v Speaker 1>makes play. No. He you know, you watch him, and

0:43:43.560 --> 0:43:46.319
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know what I was really you know, going

0:43:46.400 --> 0:43:49.360
<v Speaker 1>to expect there, you know, when I was watching that tape.

0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:52.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean I was thinking, okay, sixteen tape and the

0:43:52.840 --> 0:43:56.160
<v Speaker 1>first game it's against Ella Shoe and Lash. You can't

0:43:56.200 --> 0:43:58.680
<v Speaker 1>they're not blocking him. No, I mean he's making every

0:43:58.719 --> 0:44:02.759
<v Speaker 1>single tackle. He's playing in coverage. He's aware. You know,

0:44:03.040 --> 0:44:06.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm watching him playing space. The guy's moving around with ease.

0:44:07.440 --> 0:44:09.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's a lot to like about him, and

0:44:09.640 --> 0:44:11.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't know I reached. I mean, I appreciate you

0:44:11.800 --> 0:44:13.520
<v Speaker 1>kind of. I think you brought his name up in

0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:16.480
<v Speaker 1>one of our early episodes of a guy, Hey, and

0:44:16.520 --> 0:44:18.279
<v Speaker 1>you need to kind of take a look at this guy.

0:44:18.320 --> 0:44:20.359
<v Speaker 1>And I always when you say a guy, I'm like, Okay,

0:44:20.360 --> 0:44:22.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go watch him. And you've you've yet to

0:44:22.960 --> 0:44:25.600
<v Speaker 1>be really wrong about him. But I think that to me,

0:44:26.920 --> 0:44:29.799
<v Speaker 1>that medical kind of hope it comes back. Well, I

0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:32.640
<v Speaker 1>really do race Tag. That's that's the big mystery with Citchy.

0:44:33.239 --> 0:44:35.839
<v Speaker 1>Can you get him in the fourth? It's always kind

0:44:35.840 --> 0:44:39.480
<v Speaker 1>of been a history of that round where you say,

0:44:39.080 --> 0:44:41.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna lie to you. I stuck him in

0:44:41.400 --> 0:44:44.240
<v Speaker 1>the third. I mean, I feel like you're gonna probably

0:44:44.280 --> 0:44:49.359
<v Speaker 1>if the medicals check, If that medical checks, he's he's

0:44:49.400 --> 0:44:51.319
<v Speaker 1>got a chance to come and help somebody. I mean

0:44:51.400 --> 0:44:53.439
<v Speaker 1>in a big way. I mean, and I'm not talking

0:44:53.480 --> 0:44:55.000
<v Speaker 1>about this a two down line. I'm telling a guy

0:44:55.080 --> 0:44:56.960
<v Speaker 1>didn't come off the field and he's not working out

0:44:56.960 --> 0:44:59.719
<v Speaker 1>at the combine. Yeah, just people know he's still working

0:44:59.719 --> 0:45:03.280
<v Speaker 1>back that ACL but he the medicals, you know, teams

0:45:03.280 --> 0:45:05.520
<v Speaker 1>look good, an update on what's going on with the knee,

0:45:05.840 --> 0:45:09.040
<v Speaker 1>the just the progress and everything. So the combine is

0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:11.359
<v Speaker 1>still huge for him. Okay, Dane, who do you got

0:45:11.400 --> 0:45:14.560
<v Speaker 1>on your three? Uh? For me, I went with, uh,

0:45:15.680 --> 0:45:17.920
<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite dbs in this draft. In this

0:45:18.080 --> 0:45:22.359
<v Speaker 1>draft or Shawn Golden, the Tennessee dB. Who you want

0:45:22.360 --> 0:45:24.359
<v Speaker 1>to play him in the nickel? You want to play

0:45:24.440 --> 0:45:26.040
<v Speaker 1>him at corner, you want to play him a safety?

0:45:26.040 --> 0:45:27.800
<v Speaker 1>I think he can do it all. I think his

0:45:27.960 --> 0:45:31.040
<v Speaker 1>best positions in the nickel. Uh. With at that position.

0:45:31.400 --> 0:45:35.160
<v Speaker 1>I am looking for several traits, most importantly play speed

0:45:35.320 --> 0:45:38.319
<v Speaker 1>and toughness. Right, That's what Golden brings. He has play

0:45:38.360 --> 0:45:40.960
<v Speaker 1>speed and he has toughness. He's not afraid to hit you. Uh.

0:45:41.160 --> 0:45:45.480
<v Speaker 1>He moves really well. There's some discipline issues, just becoming

0:45:45.560 --> 0:45:49.239
<v Speaker 1>more consistent player. But he's a player that I would

0:45:49.280 --> 0:45:51.640
<v Speaker 1>consider somewhere in the mid second round. He's a top

0:45:51.680 --> 0:45:56.640
<v Speaker 1>fifty player in this draft for me. Our boy from

0:45:56.760 --> 0:46:00.919
<v Speaker 1>South Florida, sonad Dedrin sonad noose tackle, a big boy,

0:46:00.960 --> 0:46:03.200
<v Speaker 1>and I said that people might get turned off of

0:46:03.280 --> 0:46:06.040
<v Speaker 1>the South Florida thing, but he had a full ride

0:46:06.080 --> 0:46:09.399
<v Speaker 1>to Florida State right team. Big teams were recruiting him hard.

0:46:10.239 --> 0:46:12.560
<v Speaker 1>Not the biggest guy in terms of height or length,

0:46:12.640 --> 0:46:14.799
<v Speaker 1>and that'll show up some times. He'll stay attached to

0:46:14.840 --> 0:46:18.160
<v Speaker 1>some blocks at times, but he is powerful to point

0:46:18.160 --> 0:46:22.240
<v Speaker 1>of attack, really understands how to use that natural leverage.

0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:24.400
<v Speaker 1>He has some quickness where he can two gap and

0:46:24.760 --> 0:46:27.759
<v Speaker 1>make plays and he's just he's very productive. And he

0:46:27.920 --> 0:46:30.759
<v Speaker 1>saw that on the tape. So Son, if you don't

0:46:30.800 --> 0:46:33.640
<v Speaker 1>get I don't know if he last eighty one, yeah,

0:46:33.640 --> 0:46:35.120
<v Speaker 1>but I don't know if you take him at fifty,

0:46:35.160 --> 0:46:37.319
<v Speaker 1>he might be kind of in between somewhere. But if

0:46:37.320 --> 0:46:39.520
<v Speaker 1>you don't get your nose tackle in the first and

0:46:39.600 --> 0:46:41.680
<v Speaker 1>you still are looking for that nose tackle, that's a

0:46:41.719 --> 0:46:43.640
<v Speaker 1>guy keep in mind. On day two. And then the

0:46:43.680 --> 0:46:48.839
<v Speaker 1>final guy who David alluded to that I stole, which

0:46:48.880 --> 0:46:52.000
<v Speaker 1>I did, Dj Moore, who's just outstanding. It's just fun.

0:46:52.040 --> 0:46:54.879
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you look past the height, I don't

0:46:54.920 --> 0:46:57.440
<v Speaker 1>see how you just don't love DJ Moore. I mean,

0:46:57.480 --> 0:47:00.399
<v Speaker 1>he's we'll see it the combine. Is he five ten,

0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:02.759
<v Speaker 1>five ten and a half? Is he under five ten?

0:47:03.040 --> 0:47:05.200
<v Speaker 1>That'll be a big step for him. Um and as

0:47:05.239 --> 0:47:07.680
<v Speaker 1>well the other measurables with his arm length and hand

0:47:07.760 --> 0:47:11.040
<v Speaker 1>size and all that. But he's just he. I see

0:47:11.120 --> 0:47:15.400
<v Speaker 1>shades of Steve Smith with his power, his quickness, his

0:47:15.440 --> 0:47:20.040
<v Speaker 1>ability to create after the catch. Is a sharp route runner.

0:47:20.160 --> 0:47:23.080
<v Speaker 1>His production this year with five different quarterbacks, that just

0:47:23.280 --> 0:47:26.200
<v Speaker 1>that speaks for itself. So to me, he's a top

0:47:26.320 --> 0:47:28.919
<v Speaker 1>three wide receiver in this class and eager to see

0:47:28.920 --> 0:47:30.200
<v Speaker 1>how he does at the combine. I don't think he's

0:47:30.200 --> 0:47:33.200
<v Speaker 1>going to test like overly will, but you know I

0:47:33.640 --> 0:47:35.399
<v Speaker 1>don't expect him to either. If he runs a four

0:47:35.960 --> 0:47:39.279
<v Speaker 1>five four, that doesn't do anything, that doesn't bother me. No,

0:47:39.360 --> 0:47:41.600
<v Speaker 1>that's range about that guy. Because the tape is so good.

0:47:41.680 --> 0:47:43.640
<v Speaker 1>I agree, you know, I think I think you got

0:47:43.640 --> 0:47:46.160
<v Speaker 1>the I think you got him right. My three guys,

0:47:46.160 --> 0:47:51.719
<v Speaker 1>it's no secret how much I love Shot Griffin from UCF. Yep,

0:47:51.800 --> 0:47:54.400
<v Speaker 1>there's no secret of that. And I know we have

0:47:54.480 --> 0:47:58.120
<v Speaker 1>to figure out though, where does he gets selected? And

0:47:58.200 --> 0:48:01.080
<v Speaker 1>I know that that you know guys like you know

0:48:01.080 --> 0:48:04.760
<v Speaker 1>with Dane and who I again, once again fully trust

0:48:04.880 --> 0:48:08.640
<v Speaker 1>love to argue Jeff Kavanaugh. He says, where do you

0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:10.560
<v Speaker 1>take a player that's not going to be a starter

0:48:10.680 --> 0:48:13.320
<v Speaker 1>for you? Where do you take a player that is

0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:15.200
<v Speaker 1>going to be a sub package player? Where are you

0:48:15.239 --> 0:48:17.120
<v Speaker 1>going to take a player that's going to play special

0:48:17.160 --> 0:48:19.480
<v Speaker 1>teams for you? I mean, how many snaps are you

0:48:19.480 --> 0:48:22.359
<v Speaker 1>going to get from the guy? And again, I just

0:48:22.480 --> 0:48:25.239
<v Speaker 1>kind of I'm in that. I'm in that thing. I'm thinking, Okay,

0:48:25.239 --> 0:48:27.080
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna be one of my forty six on game

0:48:27.160 --> 0:48:29.759
<v Speaker 1>day and I'm gonna play him. I'm gonna play him

0:48:29.760 --> 0:48:31.440
<v Speaker 1>in all those sub package things. And I think that

0:48:31.640 --> 0:48:33.759
<v Speaker 1>when you play, it's fifty sixty percent of the time

0:48:33.800 --> 0:48:37.120
<v Speaker 1>you're playing sub package stuff. I'm gonna find snaps for

0:48:37.200 --> 0:48:38.560
<v Speaker 1>him there, and I'm gonna find I'm gonna have him

0:48:38.560 --> 0:48:40.600
<v Speaker 1>on every one of my special teams, anything to do

0:48:40.680 --> 0:48:43.480
<v Speaker 1>with running, anything with doing with getting down the field,

0:48:43.600 --> 0:48:46.200
<v Speaker 1>making a tackle and all that. I'm putting this guy involved.

0:48:46.200 --> 0:48:48.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna put him in some nickel rush stuff. You know.

0:48:48.719 --> 0:48:51.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna figure out some spots for him. But you're right,

0:48:51.840 --> 0:48:54.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't and you and Jeff I don't you know

0:48:54.200 --> 0:48:58.439
<v Speaker 1>where where's the value for this player? And and that's

0:48:58.480 --> 0:49:00.480
<v Speaker 1>where I think teams. That's to be one of my

0:49:00.560 --> 0:49:04.000
<v Speaker 1>questions at the combine with all my old mates. Where

0:49:04.000 --> 0:49:06.480
<v Speaker 1>do you guys see a guy like Shack Griffin going?

0:49:06.560 --> 0:49:08.719
<v Speaker 1>And we'll talk about that. I bet you the combine.

0:49:09.040 --> 0:49:11.799
<v Speaker 1>A matter of fact, he's here tonight. Yeah, for the

0:49:12.000 --> 0:49:14.480
<v Speaker 1>for the Jason Witt Awards. Okay, yeah, he's one of

0:49:14.480 --> 0:49:16.560
<v Speaker 1>the finalists. Yeah, he's working on just down the road,

0:49:16.760 --> 0:49:20.200
<v Speaker 1>him and Fitzpatrick and who else is involved with them? Oh?

0:49:20.280 --> 0:49:23.640
<v Speaker 1>You put me on the Sitzpatrick Shaq Griffin. Oh and

0:49:23.719 --> 0:49:27.839
<v Speaker 1>the quarterback Ocloma State. Thank you za Zack Randolph. He's

0:49:27.880 --> 0:49:31.439
<v Speaker 1>a basketball player facing Rudolph. But yeah, but but I'm

0:49:31.440 --> 0:49:34.560
<v Speaker 1>interested in in him, I really really am. I'll tell

0:49:34.560 --> 0:49:37.400
<v Speaker 1>you what the next one would be. Hayden Hurst be

0:49:37.560 --> 0:49:41.040
<v Speaker 1>tied end from South car He has my top tight end.

0:49:41.239 --> 0:49:43.120
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you who I watched. It was pretty interesting

0:49:43.160 --> 0:49:44.480
<v Speaker 1>the other day, Dan, you might want to tell me

0:49:44.480 --> 0:49:48.919
<v Speaker 1>about this guy? Maybe this Lee? Yeah, this from watching Okay,

0:49:48.920 --> 0:49:51.680
<v Speaker 1>well another day another time for that he's a lot

0:49:51.680 --> 0:49:53.279
<v Speaker 1>to talk about it. I'll have to talk about will this.

0:49:53.680 --> 0:49:55.799
<v Speaker 1>I do like him. I think it's a really good

0:49:55.800 --> 0:49:58.960
<v Speaker 1>tight end group if you but but hayden Hurst, if

0:49:59.000 --> 0:50:02.280
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about a guy that could play a little

0:50:02.320 --> 0:50:04.480
<v Speaker 1>in line, he could play as a wing. They move

0:50:04.560 --> 0:50:08.720
<v Speaker 1>him around. He's not a trained killer as a blocker.

0:50:08.760 --> 0:50:10.960
<v Speaker 1>I think he's more of a getting away fit, finished

0:50:11.040 --> 0:50:13.799
<v Speaker 1>turned steer kind of a guy. But when you talk

0:50:13.840 --> 0:50:17.160
<v Speaker 1>about throwing the ball down the field, he makes plays.

0:50:17.200 --> 0:50:19.560
<v Speaker 1>He can adjust across the middle, he can go low,

0:50:19.680 --> 0:50:22.520
<v Speaker 1>he can go high. He's got sideline awareness when the

0:50:22.520 --> 0:50:25.440
<v Speaker 1>ball comes to that direction over there. Hayden Hurst is

0:50:25.440 --> 0:50:27.920
<v Speaker 1>a guy I think he's probably of the tiding guys.

0:50:28.200 --> 0:50:30.839
<v Speaker 1>He was I'm looking for the complete guy, but he

0:50:30.960 --> 0:50:33.439
<v Speaker 1>was the guy that kind of excited me about more

0:50:33.520 --> 0:50:38.399
<v Speaker 1>the downfield stuff with him. And then my last guy

0:50:38.680 --> 0:50:43.960
<v Speaker 1>is John Kelly, the running back from Tennessee and now Okay.

0:50:44.280 --> 0:50:48.600
<v Speaker 1>Him and a kid Walton Malk Walton from from Miami.

0:50:49.440 --> 0:50:53.600
<v Speaker 1>Two very similar guys, two very similar guys. If you

0:50:53.600 --> 0:50:55.880
<v Speaker 1>want to if you're looking for that guy that's a

0:50:55.880 --> 0:50:59.600
<v Speaker 1>little bit of a change of pace, the quickness, the

0:50:59.640 --> 0:51:03.040
<v Speaker 1>explore elosiveness to catching. I think that Walton is a

0:51:03.040 --> 0:51:07.160
<v Speaker 1>little bit better suited as a pass blocker, which I mean,

0:51:07.200 --> 0:51:09.320
<v Speaker 1>I was watching that tape really strong because I was

0:51:09.360 --> 0:51:12.560
<v Speaker 1>trying to think, okay, but I just liked more of

0:51:12.600 --> 0:51:16.720
<v Speaker 1>the finish with with with Kelly. You know, I really

0:51:16.800 --> 0:51:19.360
<v Speaker 1>liked the way the power and stuff like that. But

0:51:19.480 --> 0:51:22.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, he's a guy that that you know, very productive,

0:51:22.520 --> 0:51:25.240
<v Speaker 1>like when they threw him the football again. I mean,

0:51:25.239 --> 0:51:27.120
<v Speaker 1>if I could just work on that pass block and

0:51:27.200 --> 0:51:30.040
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more, I think that, you know, I'm

0:51:30.080 --> 0:51:32.640
<v Speaker 1>not comparing him to what you know, Mcamara and Tennessee,

0:51:32.719 --> 0:51:36.480
<v Speaker 1>but somebody is gonna grab one of these backs and

0:51:36.520 --> 0:51:38.840
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna they're gonna hit on the same way the

0:51:38.920 --> 0:51:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Saints did. They're gonna hit on one of these guys

0:51:41.520 --> 0:51:43.640
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of that board and they're gonna be

0:51:43.680 --> 0:51:45.480
<v Speaker 1>really happy. But I think it's not gonna be just

0:51:45.560 --> 0:51:49.919
<v Speaker 1>one guy. I think there's gonna be several guys I love. Yeah,

0:51:49.960 --> 0:51:52.400
<v Speaker 1>I just happen to like Kelly a little bit more

0:51:53.080 --> 0:51:55.360
<v Speaker 1>than some of the other of those in the middle

0:51:55.360 --> 0:51:58.520
<v Speaker 1>of the board type of guys. But Walton is another guy.

0:51:58.600 --> 0:52:01.279
<v Speaker 1>If if you said, oh, ros how about Walton. I

0:52:01.680 --> 0:52:04.279
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm not. I'm not fighting you, Nope.

0:52:04.280 --> 0:52:07.080
<v Speaker 1>And I reported a couple of days ago because he

0:52:07.160 --> 0:52:09.479
<v Speaker 1>missed most of the year with the ankle and jury,

0:52:10.239 --> 0:52:12.160
<v Speaker 1>and I reported that he's been training and he plans

0:52:12.160 --> 0:52:15.319
<v Speaker 1>to do everything at the combine. So it's first time

0:52:15.320 --> 0:52:17.759
<v Speaker 1>we'll see him in a long time. He's kind of

0:52:17.760 --> 0:52:19.919
<v Speaker 1>been the forgotten guy because out of sight, out of mind.

0:52:19.960 --> 0:52:22.240
<v Speaker 1>But he is, like you said, a very good player.

0:52:22.239 --> 0:52:24.640
<v Speaker 1>And I mean on my board, I have Walton. He's

0:52:24.640 --> 0:52:27.560
<v Speaker 1>in my top ten running backs, top one hundred guy

0:52:27.920 --> 0:52:30.759
<v Speaker 1>and with a good combine, he might he's gonna gain

0:52:30.840 --> 0:52:34.520
<v Speaker 1>some momentum in this process. Absolutely, all right, good lists.

0:52:35.040 --> 0:52:39.080
<v Speaker 1>You and I were talking about that scouts, right, yeah, yeah,

0:52:39.120 --> 0:52:43.040
<v Speaker 1>it's the whole media scout and I'm interested in what

0:52:43.160 --> 0:52:44.960
<v Speaker 1>you say about this too. By the way, Well, I

0:52:45.000 --> 0:52:47.680
<v Speaker 1>think one of the reasons this dynamic works with us

0:52:47.719 --> 0:52:51.040
<v Speaker 1>three in the show is you have the perspective. You

0:52:51.320 --> 0:52:54.319
<v Speaker 1>did it in the war room, you know, and now

0:52:54.320 --> 0:52:56.560
<v Speaker 1>you're on this side of things, you bring that perspective.

0:52:56.920 --> 0:52:59.120
<v Speaker 1>I've invested in my entire life into this. I mean,

0:52:59.160 --> 0:53:01.600
<v Speaker 1>scouting has been my career and what I've done in

0:53:01.600 --> 0:53:04.560
<v Speaker 1>the last ten years. And you know, for Dave, it's

0:53:04.680 --> 0:53:07.719
<v Speaker 1>more of kind of ancillary part of you know what

0:53:08.120 --> 0:53:09.759
<v Speaker 1>he does, and you know he puts in the time

0:53:09.800 --> 0:53:11.839
<v Speaker 1>and the work, and so we each bring a different perspective.

0:53:12.440 --> 0:53:15.879
<v Speaker 1>And it's interesting because there's especially with social media, all

0:53:15.880 --> 0:53:19.520
<v Speaker 1>the different media scouts that are out there, current voices

0:53:19.520 --> 0:53:23.120
<v Speaker 1>that are out there. Sure opinions, and it's not to

0:53:23.200 --> 0:53:26.080
<v Speaker 1>say that maybe some are better than others, but I

0:53:26.120 --> 0:53:31.080
<v Speaker 1>think fans, I think fans are smart and they recognize

0:53:31.520 --> 0:53:34.160
<v Speaker 1>who puts the work in, who knows what they're talking about,

0:53:34.200 --> 0:53:38.080
<v Speaker 1>who knows what they're looking for, and that brings up,

0:53:38.440 --> 0:53:40.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, the conversation about a guy like Bill Pollian

0:53:40.880 --> 0:53:43.799
<v Speaker 1>who is now on the media side, who has Hall

0:53:43.840 --> 0:53:49.040
<v Speaker 1>of Fame credentials. There's no debate exactly, but with the

0:53:49.080 --> 0:53:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Wholamar Jackson, you know, he's taking a hard stance on

0:53:52.480 --> 0:53:56.000
<v Speaker 1>He's a wide receiver. And it's not to take anything

0:53:56.040 --> 0:53:58.080
<v Speaker 1>away from Bill Pollion what he's done throughout his career,

0:53:58.120 --> 0:54:01.960
<v Speaker 1>but you know, and we all disagree, he's yeah bananas

0:54:02.000 --> 0:54:04.879
<v Speaker 1>with that take, and it's and I've been on Bill

0:54:04.920 --> 0:54:07.239
<v Speaker 1>Polian's side. I've been on that side of the fence,

0:54:07.280 --> 0:54:10.400
<v Speaker 1>as you said. And even when he said that, I cringed.

0:54:10.960 --> 0:54:12.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, I said, no, you can't. You know, I

0:54:12.400 --> 0:54:15.399
<v Speaker 1>know Daniel Jeremiah's come out and said, if they want

0:54:15.440 --> 0:54:18.160
<v Speaker 1>if you know, tell them to you know, go go

0:54:18.400 --> 0:54:20.040
<v Speaker 1>do something else. If they want you to play a

0:54:20.160 --> 0:54:23.920
<v Speaker 1>wide receiver, tell the team they go draft somebody else. Yeah, absolutely,

0:54:23.920 --> 0:54:26.799
<v Speaker 1>he should do that. He should. It's it's strange when

0:54:26.840 --> 0:54:30.680
<v Speaker 1>Pollian came out with his reasoning and said about how

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<v Speaker 1>getting the ball in his hands, and you want to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out more ways to do that? Last time I checked,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what a quarterback. Yeah, he touches the ball every

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<v Speaker 1>single snap. So the only well other than it's in

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<v Speaker 1>the center. Yeah. Absolutely. And look it's is Lamar Jackson.

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<v Speaker 1>A perfect prospect by no means what he's saying that

0:54:45.640 --> 0:54:49.239
<v Speaker 1>he needs work and several areas as a passer. And

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<v Speaker 1>when you get excited about him on film more than that,

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<v Speaker 1>it's because of what he's doing with his legs and

0:54:55.080 --> 0:54:57.400
<v Speaker 1>so you know that that tells you something right there.

0:54:57.440 --> 0:54:59.480
<v Speaker 1>He needs to get better with his development as a passer.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, you know, it's fans need

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<v Speaker 1>to know who to trust when we're talking about this

0:55:04.960 --> 0:55:07.719
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing, and Bill Pollian again has those credentials, right,

0:55:08.120 --> 0:55:10.239
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't mean you take him everything he says to

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<v Speaker 1>face value. You know, you watch Lamar Jackson for yourself,

0:55:12.800 --> 0:55:16.440
<v Speaker 1>make your own decisions. And let me make it clear too,

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Pollion's the minority. Yeah, you know, it's not like

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<v Speaker 1>that's what a lot of NFL teams are thinking. The

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<v Speaker 1>majority of teams, at least the ones that I've talked to,

0:55:25.040 --> 0:55:26.799
<v Speaker 1>see him as a quarterback. I've not heard one team

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<v Speaker 1>say he's a wide receiver on a board, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>how we're viewing. I don't Yeah, I haven't heard that either.

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<v Speaker 1>This I mean it much less so because of the

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<v Speaker 1>positions involved. But it kind of reminds me of the

0:55:37.560 --> 0:55:41.040
<v Speaker 1>Jabril Peppers, you know, just. I mean, you could kind

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<v Speaker 1>of you could paint a pretty good infographic of who

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<v Speaker 1>thought what and who did what amount of work based

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<v Speaker 1>on what they thought about running back. Yeah. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I mean, you know, people that listen

0:55:52.760 --> 0:55:56.040
<v Speaker 1>to this show are in another category than ninety eight

0:55:56.080 --> 0:55:58.720
<v Speaker 1>percent of the people who follow the draft or football

0:55:58.760 --> 0:56:02.040
<v Speaker 1>in general. You know, So I know our listeners are

0:56:02.080 --> 0:56:05.520
<v Speaker 1>smarter than the average football fan. And I would like

0:56:05.600 --> 0:56:09.920
<v Speaker 1>to think anybody with above average intelligence can kind of

0:56:10.000 --> 0:56:14.320
<v Speaker 1>pick out the the bs basically, and I mean ninety

0:56:14.360 --> 0:56:17.279
<v Speaker 1>percent of that stuff, it's just white noise and same thing,

0:56:17.480 --> 0:56:20.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, And you know, obviously mock drafts work. I'm

0:56:20.680 --> 0:56:22.560
<v Speaker 1>not I don't have a problem with mock drafts. Like

0:56:22.600 --> 0:56:24.960
<v Speaker 1>they get clicks, they're interesting, they make you think, like,

0:56:25.000 --> 0:56:26.399
<v Speaker 1>I don't have a problem with that at all. But

0:56:26.840 --> 0:56:29.680
<v Speaker 1>you can kind of see who does and doesn't know

0:56:29.719 --> 0:56:32.120
<v Speaker 1>what they're talking about, just based on what they're thinking

0:56:32.120 --> 0:56:34.440
<v Speaker 1>and what they're doing with those you know, fake picks,

0:56:34.480 --> 0:56:37.280
<v Speaker 1>and so, like I said, I would hope that anybody

0:56:37.320 --> 0:56:39.759
<v Speaker 1>who puts a little bit of thought into it can

0:56:39.840 --> 0:56:43.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of parse out the crap from the genuine insight.

0:56:43.280 --> 0:56:45.480
<v Speaker 1>And if Lamar Jackson three years from now does not

0:56:45.520 --> 0:56:48.840
<v Speaker 1>work out, that does not mean that Bill Pullian was right. Yeah,

0:56:48.880 --> 0:56:52.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean you had to you have to try Lamar

0:56:52.200 --> 0:56:54.600
<v Speaker 1>Jackson as a quarterback, and he has to make you

0:56:54.880 --> 0:56:59.600
<v Speaker 1>to wrong, right, And I mean, has Bill Pollant never

0:56:59.600 --> 0:57:02.279
<v Speaker 1>seen him runner route, no catch a pass? That's that's

0:57:02.440 --> 0:57:04.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean it. There's a little more to playing the

0:57:04.080 --> 0:57:06.759
<v Speaker 1>wide receiver position than just being an athlete. I think

0:57:06.800 --> 0:57:08.480
<v Speaker 1>you have to keep an open mind about that. I

0:57:08.520 --> 0:57:10.560
<v Speaker 1>said that opened in the show. I don't think that

0:57:10.719 --> 0:57:13.400
<v Speaker 1>you can have the nineteen ninety two mentality or nineteen

0:57:13.520 --> 0:57:16.560
<v Speaker 1>ninety three mentality. You know, if that's the case, then

0:57:16.720 --> 0:57:19.800
<v Speaker 1>then Josh Allen is accuracy problems end? Did you make

0:57:19.800 --> 0:57:22.200
<v Speaker 1>them a tight end? Yeah? You shouldn't have that attitude.

0:57:22.320 --> 0:57:25.440
<v Speaker 1>There's there's I mean, I'm sorry if this is simplistic,

0:57:25.480 --> 0:57:27.520
<v Speaker 1>but there's just no way that Pat Mahomes can be

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<v Speaker 1>a top ten pick and Lamar Jackson needs to play

0:57:29.680 --> 0:57:35.520
<v Speaker 1>wide receiver. Yeah, I just I just my my my situation. No,

0:57:35.720 --> 0:57:39.160
<v Speaker 1>with the whole thing. I never have a problem with

0:57:39.320 --> 0:57:43.440
<v Speaker 1>anybody's opinion, media, scout or whatever. I don't have as

0:57:43.520 --> 0:57:46.480
<v Speaker 1>long as you do the work. Yeah, go do the work.

0:57:46.800 --> 0:57:48.760
<v Speaker 1>If you know, if you're if you're not doing the

0:57:48.800 --> 0:57:50.920
<v Speaker 1>work and you're trying to tell me, oh, this is

0:57:50.920 --> 0:57:53.040
<v Speaker 1>how I have them rated and you and you haven't

0:57:53.040 --> 0:57:56.760
<v Speaker 1>done the work, then I don't, you know, because there's

0:57:56.400 --> 0:57:58.960
<v Speaker 1>no there's nothing perfect about what we're doing. I mean,

0:57:59.000 --> 0:58:02.760
<v Speaker 1>we're trying to say, investigate, educate, that's what we're trying

0:58:02.800 --> 0:58:05.600
<v Speaker 1>to do, you know. And I think I've been the

0:58:05.600 --> 0:58:07.840
<v Speaker 1>first one who admit when I'm wrong about these players.

0:58:08.320 --> 0:58:10.600
<v Speaker 1>I think that's one of my strengths to say, you know,

0:58:10.800 --> 0:58:13.640
<v Speaker 1>I was wrong about Joey Bosa. I've fought him new

0:58:14.040 --> 0:58:16.440
<v Speaker 1>tooth and nail on Joey Bosa, and I admit that.

0:58:16.920 --> 0:58:19.320
<v Speaker 1>But see the thing about it is, though I think

0:58:19.400 --> 0:58:20.920
<v Speaker 1>that you, like you said, David, I think people are

0:58:20.960 --> 0:58:23.880
<v Speaker 1>smart enough out there, but if you come at us

0:58:23.880 --> 0:58:27.800
<v Speaker 1>with stuff, you know, make sure you're educated, make sure

0:58:27.840 --> 0:58:30.120
<v Speaker 1>you make sure you've sat down, and hey, this is

0:58:30.160 --> 0:58:32.480
<v Speaker 1>what I've done. And that's the cool thing about you know,

0:58:32.480 --> 0:58:34.840
<v Speaker 1>in this day and age, like Dane said, fans are

0:58:34.880 --> 0:58:37.480
<v Speaker 1>smart like you can. This information's out there for you

0:58:37.520 --> 0:58:40.240
<v Speaker 1>to find and right smart people, hey Parson, whatever you

0:58:40.240 --> 0:58:41.960
<v Speaker 1>have to do to dig and find more. But the

0:58:42.000 --> 0:58:43.920
<v Speaker 1>guys like Bill Pollian who are Hall of Fan, the

0:58:43.920 --> 0:58:46.200
<v Speaker 1>Hall of Fame, you know, Bill Polian ain't always right,

0:58:46.960 --> 0:58:48.840
<v Speaker 1>and that's and that you know, don't ever forget that

0:58:49.240 --> 0:58:51.960
<v Speaker 1>as we're not always right either too. But we will

0:58:52.080 --> 0:58:54.840
<v Speaker 1>will do our very best satting average exactly all right,

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<v Speaker 1>Hey Gosten, thank you everybody out there. Money show will

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0:59:05.040 --> 0:59:07.080
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0:59:07.200 --> 0:59:10.360
<v Speaker 1>Jerry Jones, all the opinions, everything going on there. So

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<v Speaker 1>we will see you Monday at ten am. Thanks again

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<v Speaker 1>for joining us.