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Speaker 1: your hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman, and Brian brought us. Well,

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Speaker 1: we welcome you to the SWBC Mortgage Studios. You got

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Speaker 1: the Draft show. Brian brought us here with Dane Brugler,

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Speaker 1: David Hellman, King Garrison, Executive Producing. Why don't I start

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Speaker 1: off the show bad pre show? Why don't I let

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Speaker 1: people make me mad? That's just a thing that you

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Speaker 1: do in life, like you just let people get you mad.

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Speaker 1: You're easily riled. You're gonna set up for a nice

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Speaker 1: show though, you got the fire in you. It's a

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Speaker 1: good thing. Yeah, No, I you know what at not again,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm watching people out there talk about what they

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Speaker 1: would do at nineteen and what they wouldn't do. And

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Speaker 1: you know, and I respect what you're saying. You wouldn't

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Speaker 1: take an offensive lineman at nineteen. I wouldn't philosophy to

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Speaker 1: set this up. This is the argument we're having in

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Speaker 1: the studio before the show. Yeah, I mean Brian, Brian

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Speaker 1: and a number of people are very vocal in their

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Speaker 1: belief that an offensive guard would be a good call

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Speaker 1: at the nineteenth overall. Yeah. And then there's the other

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Speaker 1: side of that argument that Dane tends to fall more on,

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Speaker 1: that says it's not the best value in the world

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Speaker 1: and there's got to be something better you could do,

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Speaker 1: not for this team that has so many other weaknesses.

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Speaker 1: Offensive line's already strength, and I would argue that the

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Speaker 1: bigger need for this team is a swing tackle. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I could make that argument, could you Okay, if I

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Speaker 1: said you could take mcclinchy at nineteen, would you do that.

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Speaker 1: I'm not as high mcclinchy. I don't be a tackle.

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Speaker 1: Then if you're going to tell me if you're gonna

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Speaker 1: if you're more Williams at nineteen, what are we dealing with? Boys?

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Speaker 1: What do we do? You're acting like we're dealing with

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Speaker 1: with Quentin Nelson? Oh no, no, no, Look, you know

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Speaker 1: you got any Why why can't we not? And we

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Speaker 1: focus on the players that are up and down on

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Speaker 1: this board. You're saying people focus too much on the

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Speaker 1: value position more so than just well, I wouldn't take it.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't take a guard at nineteen. But it's for

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Speaker 1: the KA, it's for this team though it's not. But

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Speaker 1: then you say a name of a guy that you

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Speaker 1: don't really want at nineteen. Look, the thing is long term,

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Speaker 1: what is best for this team. I do not think

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Speaker 1: drafting a guard at nineteen is what's best for this team.

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Speaker 1: I don't because I think you could find a guard

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Speaker 1: elsewhere with the depth at wide receiver. Is it best

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Speaker 1: to draft Ridley at nineteen? Oh, if you was there,

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Speaker 1: I'm taking Ridley, yeah, no question. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: the team would. So you feel like though that the

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Speaker 1: definite need for this team is a wide receiver. It's

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Speaker 1: not about definite need, it just it's I mean, why

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Speaker 1: you arguing that. No, you're playing both sides because you're

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Speaker 1: one reason you're saying guard is because of it's a

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Speaker 1: definite need. It's not. I'm looking at nineteen and saying,

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Speaker 1: and give me the names. The players are there, And

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Speaker 1: again I go back to your argument when you when

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Speaker 1: I when I bring up the name Vita Vea, which

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Speaker 1: everybody in mock draft Land, it throws that name at

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys Hurst Vita Vea. You know, and the first

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Speaker 1: thing you say is, Brian, you like it more than me,

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Speaker 1: You like it more than me. Yeah, where you going

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Speaker 1: with this. Well, I mean, but but he's perplexed as

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Speaker 1: that because you liked them, like when we talk, that's fire,

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Speaker 1: because he does the work. I have the utmost respect

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Speaker 1: for you, which you like him as more of a

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Speaker 1: when we talked about him before, you like him, no,

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Speaker 1: So your opinions changed in Viet Vea. Yeah, okay, but

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Speaker 1: more than me, Brian, you do. That's a fact. It

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Speaker 1: is a fact, But that doesn't mean I don't like him. No,

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Speaker 1: The number one goal should be to add the player

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Speaker 1: That should be the number one goal. And I do

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Speaker 1: Even even though the player is a better player, even

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Speaker 1: though the player say better player than it does anybody

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Speaker 1: that also say that ultimately, what's gonna be the most

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Speaker 1: the best player on your board at nineteen, should you

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Speaker 1: take him? No, you don't take him? Okay, here we

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Speaker 1: saw it. We saw that play out just last year. FYI, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that happened last year. That kid went a terrible player

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Speaker 1: at Minnesotaly got hurt. It's not just list your best

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Speaker 1: nineteen players in the draft, regardless of position or anything.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about the quality of the again, if you're

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Speaker 1: taking players that you don't feel great about our board player, rude. No.

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Speaker 1: Me saying that you like a player more than me

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Speaker 1: just saying, though you were just adamant about taking a

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Speaker 1: better about Win or Vita Vea for this team. I'm

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Speaker 1: taking Vita Okay. Now, Yes, I agree with you about

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Speaker 1: the whole thing about it. At nineteen, I've said this,

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Speaker 1: You're at the mercy of the board every pick you are,

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Speaker 1: absolutely I think bait Like we can boil this down

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Speaker 1: to the fact that Brian's frustrated that a sizable portion

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Speaker 1: But then most of those people don't have a better

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Speaker 1: clear about this. If the Cowboys come up at number

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Speaker 1: be upset because Zaiah Win is a good player. Sure,

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Speaker 1: a it's not. This isn't about a right and wrong.

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Speaker 1: This is more philip it's not. And you know, and

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Speaker 1: you know, this is what I believe. I get it.

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Speaker 1: He's a Hall of Fame general manager. I get it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: thank you, seriously, we're gonna get to our pet cats. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: let's get to our pet cats. David, hell and give

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Speaker 1: just I you know what though, philosophy or what you

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Speaker 1: know again, the philosophy everybody thinks, my god, we've got

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Speaker 1: think Isaiah wins. Would you have a more problem with

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Speaker 1: why they might not take a running back. They don't

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Speaker 1: draft running backs high traditionally, So what gentleman does on

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Speaker 1: if he takes Quentin Nelson. Okay, traditionally he isn't. Oh

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Speaker 1: yeah I am. But traditionally he has not drafted offensive

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Speaker 1: Same with same with quarterback. Giants are really a wild

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Speaker 1: getting the best players for the respective team. Yes to Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we what We've talked about that already a few times.

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Speaker 1: Chick a lot higher than the Saints did. Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: you can do. I mean, Philly made a splash two

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00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,280
Speaker 1: years ago when the draft was in Chicago for wins. Okay,

424
00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,879
Speaker 1: Chicago made a splash last year for Mitchell Trubisky, like

425
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 1: Houston and I mean that type of stuff. It's usually

426
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 1: something like in order for me to think it's like

427
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,040
Speaker 1: this crazy splash, I gotta think it's like a quarterback

428
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,200
Speaker 1: or you gotta be comming. I mean, if you're gonna

429
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:18,480
Speaker 1: go from nineteen to three to get Bradley Chubb, which, okay,

430
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 1: I don't see that happening to y'all. Did you see

431
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 1: your you see your buddying in Indie trait trying to

432
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 1: get out of that spot for the right deal. Sure,

433
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,360
Speaker 1: but then then he didn't pack, guys, so he's got

434
00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,159
Speaker 1: to sit there and pick Chubb. I think I think

435
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 1: Chubb has got to be high on their list. Is

436
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,879
Speaker 1: he looking at quarterback at all? I don't know. It

437
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 1: sounds like then, I mean, I don't think so. They're

438
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,640
Speaker 1: saying that the who is coming out of Vendi. It's positive. Yeah,

439
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 1: he's like throwing with weighted balls. It's the most optimistic

440
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,199
Speaker 1: they've been in a while. But I also heard he

441
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,119
Speaker 1: was throwing and then they shut him down again, and

442
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,640
Speaker 1: then is he back throwing? We'll be We'll be there

443
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 1: next week. You have to let a play out, I

444
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,200
Speaker 1: think if you're Indie. But regardless of this team, they're

445
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 1: not going to make a splash just for the sake

446
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,240
Speaker 1: of making a splash. I'll entertain, I'll entertain Michael real

447
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 1: quick though, Like, if they were going to do something

448
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 1: just bats who who who would you do it for?

449
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,360
Speaker 1: Because we had that show. No, well, what you said

450
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 1: Quintin Nelson? Oh, I know, but I mean Quintin Nelson.

451
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,360
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, then you would go all the way

452
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,160
Speaker 1: up to try and get Quintin Nelson. I don't see.

453
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 1: But but it's not but we were trying to Again,

454
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 1: he's right about Roquan Smith, but that's not a splash

455
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 1: to me. I'm talking about something really well, he's he's

456
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 1: one of the best defensive players in this draft, right,

457
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,640
Speaker 1: But it's but I'm talking about a freaking like Myles

458
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 1: Garrett was in the draft. Yeah, then you consider even

459
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 1: using next year's one to go and get him because he's,

460
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 1: in my opinion, a transcendent player, a guy that can

461
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 1: really change the way you play defense and help you

462
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,239
Speaker 1: win ball games. I don't know if there is that

463
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,879
Speaker 1: guy in this draft. I like Braley Chubble a lot,

464
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 1: he's not Miles Garrett. I like some of these offensive

465
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 1: players like Quentin Neilson. Yeah, he's not that for im

466
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: me at least, So I don't think there is unless

467
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 1: it's one of the quarterback. I couldn't. Yeah, I couldn't

468
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 1: see him doing it unless it was for a quarterback,

469
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 1: And I don't see them doing that. I'd agree, So

470
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: could they do it? Goes secure Ridley if they feel

471
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 1: like that, If they feel like that, we talked about this.

472
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 1: I mean I would trade my third to go up

473
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: in fifty to fifteen. You want to go to Arizona

474
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 1: at fifteen head of Baltimore, Yeah, exactly, get your wide receiver.

475
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: If that constitute did that for Jess Bryant by then

476
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 1: I'm making a splash. Yeah. I don't think that constitute is.

477
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 1: I think they sit there and pick at nineteen. I

478
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 1: would likely I would tend to agree or try to

479
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 1: get out of it if that's possible. Go back and

480
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 1: watch that show, though, I would encourage. Yeah, yeah, if

481
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 1: he hadn't seen the show from Monday. Spencer wants to

482
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 1: know this is a good one with you know, we're

483
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 1: leaving for the combine in a few days. Uh. You

484
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: know we talk about combine darlings, but what about a

485
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 1: guy who you don't expect to have a good combine,

486
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 1: who he still thinks a good player, like basically a

487
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: guy with good tape who's not a workout warrior. I

488
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: think there are a few. Um, have you looked at

489
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: Royce Freeman, the running back from Oregon. Yeah, I think

490
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 1: he'd fallow that he would fallow in that category. You're

491
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: absolutely right, he's not a He's not gonna be a

492
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 1: workout warrior. Um, you know the I don't think he's

493
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,360
Speaker 1: gonna be poor in those workouts, but I think he's

494
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: not going to be great either. DeShawn Hamilton from Penn

495
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: State wide receiver who He's gonna be a four five

496
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: five guy probably and in this draft, I mean he's

497
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: probably a top three route runner, right. U saw Hubbard

498
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: from Ohio State. Yeah, a lot of people thinking very

499
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 1: highly of him, and he might just have okay numbers,

500
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: but Ohio State will train hard. I mean those kids

501
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: will be prepared. But do you think his numbers will

502
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 1: be just kind of okay? Probably because I don't think

503
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 1: he's that which yeah right, yeah, but a lot of

504
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 1: bas like him. I mean, yeah, he's gonna play smart, instinctive,

505
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: loses his hands, so yeah, I think he's in there.

506
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 1: And then Chub, Yeah, I think more important for Nick

507
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: Chub's gonna be the medicals making sure that knee's okay,

508
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 1: had that big knee injury as a sophomore. I think

509
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 1: one name that I think really fits this question is

510
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: Josie Jewel. Yeah, because he's not gonna test really well,

511
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: but he doesn't need to because on tape he's really good. Yeah,

512
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: the instincts are what you're buying with Josie Jewel. You know,

513
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: we saw him against one on one with Saquon Barkley.

514
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: That's a hard matchup for any line back, right, but

515
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: Josie Joe kind of got exploited a little bit. But

516
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: I mean there're se Quon Barkley type of backs in

517
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 1: this league, so seeing his workout numbers will be interesting.

518
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's gonna do much to move

519
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 1: the needle with this tape. You know, you feel good

520
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: if you feel good about the tape. I don't think

521
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: that combines is really going to persuade you from that.

522
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: Jared wants to know, Um, what good names really good names?

523
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 1: What position do you all think will be picked the

524
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 1: most in the top fifty? Why? What a good question?

525
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 1: People will value this receiver as you think I think

526
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 1: wide receiver in corner. Yeah, because you look at it,

527
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: it's it's not gonna be quarterbacks. We'll probably see five quarterbacks,

528
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: maybe six running backs. Got a shot. Yeah, But I

529
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 1: think when you and it goes to you know, the

530
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: position that you carry most on the team as well,

531
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: wide receivers and corners. So there's just there's more supply

532
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 1: in this drafts with those positions. Plus they're both two

533
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 1: of the strongest positions in this draft. The Phillips payin

534
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: you love, you love this defensive tackle class. That's what

535
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 1: I'm saying, though, could could you could you see like

536
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 1: four of those guys, we could easily see ten interior

537
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: defensive tackles, interior defensive linement off the board and from

538
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: the top. Oh no, I'm not top fifty. I'm thinking

539
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: top hunt one hundred. I was just thinking about maybe

540
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: four defensive tackles. It depends on like first, Payne Phillipeah

541
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 1: Phillips a top fifty, Yes, okay, since there there's five, Yeah, yeah,

542
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 1: that's possible. But you look at wide receiver, Yeah, Ridley Moore,

543
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 1: Kirk Miller, Sutton, Washington, Washington, Gallup. Maybe I said these

544
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: wide receivers are You're gonna for a lot of people

545
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: that people like Sutton, Yeah, you're gonna a different order,

546
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: A big combine important for him. Yeah, and then a

547
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: corner I mentioned, I think corner might be. I think

548
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: corner is the answer, to be honest, Pink Denzel, Ward Hughes,

549
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,719
Speaker 1: Giant Aer, Alexander, Josh Jackson, Isaiah Oliver, Carlton Davis, Dante Jackson.

550
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: I mean that's eight right there, who Award Fitzpatrick Hughes,

551
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: Alexander Jackson, Carlton Davis. Yeah, I mean six right there

552
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: that I have. Yeah, So I think corner is the answer. Yeah,

553
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: black Ice wants to know who's avoid Yeah, no, don't

554
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: drive on it. Who's a player you think is going

555
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 1: to fly up the board and into the top fifteen

556
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: who maybe we're not talking about right now, which the

557
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: combine will do that for you, m top fifteen, which

558
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: I think that James the obvious James, Yeah, Derwin, James's

559
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: already there. Do you think he's already He's already there? Okay, okay,

560
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying where mocks have had him go

561
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: in has been kind of in that. I think it's

562
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: more because people just don't know what to do with him. Yeah,

563
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: and so like charge yourself a bunch of Needle and

564
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,239
Speaker 1: I've been guilty of this too. I'll just put him

565
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: in not San Diego, La. But I think Derwin James

566
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: is one of the top twelve players in this draft,

567
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:05,479
Speaker 1: so I'll give you and I don't think you like him.

568
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: I think you like him. You got but you got

569
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: Pierce above him. Say the name Daniels, the center from Iowa.

570
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: You can go top fifteen. I'm just saying, if somebody

571
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: is thinking about an offense, you know we've had in

572
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: the past, like Florida State, what was a Florida State

573
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: guy that didn't Detroit take a cinner? Cameron Irving, Cameron Irving, Cleveland, Cleveland,

574
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: it was that Cleveland. Yeah, let's not bring up that wound.

575
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: Well though, that was a you know, but yeah, it

576
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 1: was a sinner though, right, Yeah, he's terrible and they

577
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: traded him to Chiefs for like a fifth throng pick.

578
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: But see, that's what I'm saying, thoughts, he's a he's

579
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: a better player than Irving, though I think I mean

580
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,239
Speaker 1: not oh yeah, yeah, yeah, but but could it could win?

581
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: Could your guy Billy Price could when those sinners go

582
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: up the board and we're not really talking about in

583
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: a draft without a lot of blue chip guys. You're

584
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: talking about two quote unquote hate using the word, but

585
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: safe players. Yeah, guys that you feel great about the

586
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: person in the player that you're getting h plug and play,

587
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: and you have a position filled for the foreseeable future.

588
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: So I don't think those are crazy names. That makes

589
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: some sense. I'd still be surprised if either one went

590
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: top fifteen, but I could see the I mean, I'm

591
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: just looking for a name of a guy you talked

592
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: about all those corners though as well. What about Drawn Pain.

593
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: I don't think we talked about him as much as

594
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: a top fifteen, but he's yeah, he's gonna test. Well.

595
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: You didn't even put him in your tackle list right

596
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: there a minute ago. I don't know. I did. I did, Yeah,

597
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: I had, I had him, I had, Yeah, Phillips Pain.

598
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: I think we talked about him more as a back half,

599
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: a round one player, right. He could easily go top fifty,

600
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: He could go top ten. It wouldn't surprise me at all.

601
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah too. But if you watch him playing those

602
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: the playoff game in National Championship, if you just had

603
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: those two games, those two games could sway you easily. Yeah, easily,

604
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: Like those two games could sway you. But you watch

605
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: the rest of the work, you're kind of going, come on, man,

606
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: win a little more. Those are the first two games

607
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: you start with. You always want to start with, like

608
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: the games that and you're like whoa. And then all

609
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: of a sudden you're watching and play LSU and some

610
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: other old miss and you're going, where's the same guy

611
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: that was just pummeling you know Clemson? And yeah, you

612
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: know pummeling. Uh you know Georgia, Georgia. One more name

613
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: all throw Bullamore Jackson, Louisville. Oh, we're gonna talk about

614
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,479
Speaker 1: that later, right yeah, yeah, But whenever we could get

615
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: into that right now, that wouldn't be crazy. That wouldn't

616
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: be crazy for a player with his talent for a

617
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: team just to high risk kid reward. Hey shoot your shot,

618
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: let's go for it. People kind of like the same

619
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: what they did with a tech quarterback. Like right at

620
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: this home, at this time last year, all we weren't

621
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: talking about Mahomes. We were talking about him at fifteen.

622
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: We were talking about him at fifty. Maybe polarizing crazy guy, Yeah,

623
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: top fifty, number ten overall is all it takes is

624
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: one team to believe in him, and you know, say

625
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: Arizona at fifteen, they need a quarterback. If they fall

626
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: in love, they believe in him, they we're not gonna

627
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: wait until the second round and hope you get him. Yeah,

628
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: I mean, why trade back? And if you have a

629
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: quarterback you want, don't trade away from him and hope

630
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: you get him later. You take him there. So I

631
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Speaker 1: don't think you could rule out Lamar Jackson. Could Lamar

632
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: who who's more likely to be a trade up candidate?

633
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: Jackson or Mayfield? Or can you throw Allan in there too? Oh? Yeah?

634
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: If if the top two go, if the top two, yeah,

635
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: it's the top two go. Say the top two say

636
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: it's like everybody's mock it's Darnel and Rosen, They're gone.

637
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: Who is the who is the trade up quarterback? Of

638
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: those three? It's so hard to say because we don't know.

639
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: That's really that's fun because it's um like you got Alan,

640
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: who's like the prototype without the results, and you got Mayfield,

641
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: who's the results without the build, different skill set. Lamar

642
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: Jackson's probably in the middle between the two of them,

643
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: of like he's got the build and some of the results,

644
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: but some calls this question marks. This isn't a draft

645
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks where oh we didn't get our our top guy,

646
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: would just go with the next best guy, like, yeah,

647
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: we don't get him, Okay, we'll just good night. Yeah,

648
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: we'll just wait, We'll wait get the Yeah, we'll get

649
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: the Richmond kid or something. So you fall in love

650
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: with a quarterback and you go and get him, you

651
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: don't just that's what I'm saying. You know, we we

652
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: can't trade up from Mayfield, so we'll just take Alan here. No,

653
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: you you target us specific quarterback and you go and

654
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: get him. If you told me the Cardinals love Josh Allen,

655
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: I believe it. You told me they love Baker Mayfield,

656
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: I'll believe it. The Lamar Jackson. It's these quarterbacks are

657
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: so diverse and so so we can't answer who. The

658
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: hard thing to answer, especially right now pre combined well

659
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: what's fine? I mean, what one too? Let me ask

660
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: you this one word questioning. Four of the top six

661
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: are teams that you could convince me need a quarterback.

662
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you could quip, but going down to the

663
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,959
Speaker 1: Jets right at six. You can quibble about the Giants

664
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: if you if you want to, But That's what depends

665
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: up what Denver does if they get Cousins. Cousins is

666
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: the first domino it needs to fall. Yeah, and he

667
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: could go to Minnesota, who knows, you know, and yeah,

668
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: and then you have the second tier your case, Keenum's

669
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: those guys, and once those dominoes fall, we'll have a

670
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: better idea for these quarterbacks. But all we know Cleveland

671
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: might love Baker Mayfield. We don't, you know, It's just

672
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: there's no way for us to know. I think Sam

673
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: Donald's a top quarterback. I think he'd be a perfect

674
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: fit for what John Dorsey's looking for, But we don't know.

675
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: So it's really hard to talk about these quarterbacks. Was

676
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: really any certainty. I mean, at this time last year,

677
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: we're talking about Trubisky is maybe the big guy, and

678
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: then next thing, you know, KT rolls in here and

679
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: says he's going top three. Yeah, my sources the same thing. Yeah,

680
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: you know, there we go. Try it was you, It

681
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: was you and KT were on that. Yeah, exactly right.

682
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: You know. It's just as the this whole process plays out,

683
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: hopefully we have a better clearer picture of that. But

684
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: right now it's hard to say. Dakota I don't know

685
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: if this is Yeah, I mean, I don't north. Yes,

686
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,959
Speaker 1: I doubt it's. I doubt it's that Dakota back Dakota.

687
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: He's got better stuff to do than listen to the

688
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: trash show. Um. Maybe he wants y'all's thoughts on some

689
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: les who aren't named Derwin James talking about them Knolls,

690
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: Maybe you guy Naughty, Yeah, McFadden, Sweat. See, I didn't

691
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: like Sweat as much. I wasn't as high on Sweat

692
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: as the others. Let's give it some structure here, Like

693
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: of the of the options I just gave you, I mean,

694
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: I would take Naughty over the over the if you

695
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: gave me the give me the highest ranking knoll not

696
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 1: named James, Naughty would be my guy. That's the defensive

697
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: tack right then. Then I would say probably McFadden and

698
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: then Sweat. I think it's how I would rank them.

699
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: Where would fall on that. I'm not an audate fan,

700
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: and I didn't bring him up because of the lack

701
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: of speed. Okay, I'm trying to find I'm okay, if

702
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: I'm drafting for this team, I'm trying to get a

703
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: player that can give me something down there. Yeah, I agreed,

704
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: naughty well ta Varus McFadden plays corner and Josh Sweat

705
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: plays end. Yeah, I and and maybe Sweat will end

706
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: up being a two hundred and fifty pounds, So it's

707
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,479
Speaker 1: up the combine. He's gonna test really well. Sure, how's

708
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: that tape? Remember it's okay, he's a If I show

709
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: you his ten best plays, you'd swear you're watching a

710
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: slightly smaller Geneveon Clowney. Like you know, the highlights are good,

711
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 1: it's just it's a consistency. He's an issue. There also

712
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: factor in the medicals. He had a devastating knee injury

713
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 1: his senior year in high school, and to his credit,

714
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: he's you know, came he came back really quickly, and

715
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: he's played well. He's been durable. But teams are still

716
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: going to worry about the durability long term. Where's a

717
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: knee brace on his knee? I've seen that too. Is

718
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: that the problem? Yeah? Um, so I'm with you more.

719
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: I saw a guy that played late. Yeah, guy laid

720
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: off the snap, you know, And you're right about the

721
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: change of direction, the balance. I think this is gonna

722
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: test really well. He's gonna test well. I mean he I.

723
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: The thing about that I had a problem is I

724
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: didn't see a guy that reacted quickly. That was the problem.

725
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I felt like that the ball at times

726
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: was going past him and he was and he was

727
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: kind of still looking for it, you know. But I

728
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, I didn't see a very powerful guy either.

729
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: That bothered me as well. Playing that end, I thought

730
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: he showed improvement against the run as a run just

731
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: as a run player and you know, doing it, but

732
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: there's still times where he gave up the corner. Yeah,

733
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: lost contain and yeah, so I agree with you. He's

734
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: I game a three to four based on tape. So, um,

735
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, we'll see McFadden's he's in there, But

736
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: I agree with you about naughty. He's he's part of

737
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: this really loaded one technique nose tackle group. Not the

738
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: not the biggest guy, and he's probably only gonna be

739
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 1: about shade over six foot right, right, But he's he's stout,

740
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 1: he's powerful, he's got a little lower body explosion. UM.

741
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 1: I like the way he can two gap and see

742
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,959
Speaker 1: through blocks so he can make tackles in the middle

743
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: of the field. Not he's a good player for sure, Uh,

744
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: mister Vayos, which I don't. I don't classify this in

745
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: the same category as the splash question. He just says, Uh,

746
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: with this this season being so crucial for the Cowboys coaches,

747
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: I think that's probably fair last chance and you see

748
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 1: them being more aggressive in this draft because of that.

749
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: And that's why, I mean, you know, giving up next

750
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: year's one, we'll make it someone else's problem, or draft

751
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: a guard because you need a starting caliber player. I mean,

752
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: it could be something that simple. And that's where that's

753
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: where the front office has to step in. Well, and

754
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 1: that's where it's one of the benefits of your owner

755
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: and GM being basically the same person, right, because the

756
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: owner is not going to sacrifice future years right to

757
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: go all in and one year. Yeah. Yeah. The coaches

758
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: obviously have heavy input, right, and if Jason Garrett or

759
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: the offensive coaches really want a player, they'll make that known.

760
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: But it still comes down to the front office and

761
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: especially the Jones family, and they're not going to sacrifice

762
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: future years just to try and win it all or

763
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: take that next step immediately. Bonus question, Well, let's go

764
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: to a break. You have a bonus question. You have

765
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: one question real quick. Okay, kind I want to get

766
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: into these pet cat things. Zach wants to know a

767
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: bone in or a bone out wings? Bone in? Wait,

768
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 1: what do you mean bone in bone out? Like boneless

769
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: wings or wings? B bons wings? Get out? Boneless wings

770
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: are just chicken nuggets. All right, I'm glad we all

771
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,919
Speaker 1: agree on that. So bonus bonus. Flats are drums. I'm

772
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 1: a flat guy. Drums, drums flat. Give me all the flats.

773
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: You can't go wrong. But no you can't. But you

774
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: have to do that extra bit. Wi you that just match.

775
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: You don't know how to eat them, I'll show you.

776
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: I'll show you. Let's do that wings for lunch. Yeah,

777
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: thanks so much. Thanks everybody out there for twitter on

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Speaker 1: the twenty. We do appreciate it. When we come back,

779
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Speaker 1: we're gonna get into some pet cats. Stay tuned. Cowboys

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Speaker 1: We've got about fifteen minutes or so we're gonna get

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Speaker 1: into some pet cats, and I also want to get

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Speaker 1: into some talk with the media, scouts and stuff like that,

826
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Speaker 1: kind of what we're seeing here and what we're feeling

827
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Speaker 1: about that. But I want to get into, like I say,

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Speaker 1: the pet cats stuff, and h David, I'll start with

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Speaker 1: you about your pet cats, okay, And I want you

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Speaker 1: to tell me, tell me the guys. I would give

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00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: me three guys that you're kind of looking at yours

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Speaker 1: your pet cats, that you would that if the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: managed to draft these guys, you would be totally on

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Speaker 1: board with it. Well, uh, Dane unceremoniously stole one of mine.

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Speaker 1: But he's way more He's way more eloquent than me.

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00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: So I'll let him talk about that guy. But and

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Speaker 1: I won't beat it into the ground because I've talked

838
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: about Derwin James enough. But I just think if you're

839
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 1: gonna really you know, somebody asked me today, I was like, well,

840
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: if they don't get Derwin James, is there a safety

841
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: that can make an upgrade the position right away as

842
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: a rookie? And I'm like, no, I don't really think

843
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: there is. Um you know, I don't necessarily know one

844
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: hundred percent how you would handle that. You obviously have

845
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: a wealth of dbs back there to deal with. But

846
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: I think he's on the field from the get He's

847
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: incredibly athletic. I understand Dane's point about, you know, better

848
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: athlete than football player, but when you're as freakish an

849
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: athlete as he is, it can help cover up some

850
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: of your shortcomings as a football player. We've seen that

851
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: with Byron Jones. I think he could play strong. I

852
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: think he could play free. Y'all said, y'all told me

853
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: you think he can play big nickel, which is very

854
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: intriguing to me. I just I think he's awesome, and

855
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 1: the other one it doesn't make a ton of sense

856
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys, But I just love Ronald Jones. I

857
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: think he gets buried when you're talking about the Barkleys

858
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: and the guises of the world. I think he's a

859
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: little bit of a do everything guy. I think he's dynamic.

860
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: I won't be surprised if he's a first round pick

861
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: and then one that I've really grown to like, you know,

862
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: just over the time we've been doing the draft show.

863
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: Is your boy Jack Sinschi from Wisconsin? I know, I mean,

864
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: he's played what six games in the last two years.

865
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: I get that it's scary, but he's you know, he's

866
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: one of those like heady Wisconsin Big ten lineback. I mean,

867
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: you know, a good player. You hate to make comparisons

868
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: just because of the school, but I've freaking loved Borland

869
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: coming out of the draft a few years ago, and

870
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: I think he's just like that. He hits hard, he

871
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: knows where to be. Smart. Um, he fits all the

872
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: stereotypes of a walk on. Yeah. No, he's a chip

873
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: on her shoulder. The hustle, the motor uh yeah, just

874
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: the NonStop the way he plays. So I'm with you.

875
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: He's a good player. It's he's he's gonna be really interesting.

876
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 1: I hope he can stay healthy, but next week could

877
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: be huge for him. Yeah. I just I love that

878
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: kind of player. I mean, he wasn't a walk on,

879
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: not that I'm aware of, but like it sounds like

880
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: Anthony Hitchins. You know, like he's not gonna wow you

881
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: with that with his athleticism, but you can tell that

882
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: he loves football and he knows where to be and

883
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: makes play. No. He you know, you watch him, and

884
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was really you know, going

885
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: to expect there, you know, when I was watching that tape.

886
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: I mean I was thinking, okay, sixteen tape and the

887
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: first game it's against Ella Shoe and Lash. You can't

888
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: they're not blocking him. No, I mean he's making every

889
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: single tackle. He's playing in coverage. He's aware. You know,

890
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 1: I'm watching him playing space. The guy's moving around with ease.

891
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot to like about him, and

892
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: I don't know I reached. I mean, I appreciate you

893
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: kind of. I think you brought his name up in

894
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: one of our early episodes of a guy, Hey, and

895
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: you need to kind of take a look at this guy.

896
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: And I always when you say a guy, I'm like, Okay,

897
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go watch him. And you've you've yet to

898
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: be really wrong about him. But I think that to me,

899
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: that medical kind of hope it comes back. Well, I

900
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: really do race Tag. That's that's the big mystery with Citchy.

901
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 1: Can you get him in the fourth? It's always kind

902
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: of been a history of that round where you say,

903
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie to you. I stuck him in

904
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 1: the third. I mean, I feel like you're gonna probably

905
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 1: if the medicals check, If that medical checks, he's he's

906
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: got a chance to come and help somebody. I mean

907
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 1: in a big way. I mean, and I'm not talking

908
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: about this a two down line. I'm telling a guy

909
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: didn't come off the field and he's not working out

910
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: at the combine. Yeah, just people know he's still working

911
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 1: back that ACL but he the medicals, you know, teams

912
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: look good, an update on what's going on with the knee,

913
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: the just the progress and everything. So the combine is

914
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 1: still huge for him. Okay, Dane, who do you got

915
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: on your three? Uh? For me, I went with, uh,

916
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: one of my favorite dbs in this draft. In this

917
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: draft or Shawn Golden, the Tennessee dB. Who you want

918
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 1: to play him in the nickel? You want to play

919
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: him at corner, you want to play him a safety?

920
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 1: I think he can do it all. I think his

921
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: best positions in the nickel. Uh. With at that position.

922
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: I am looking for several traits, most importantly play speed

923
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: and toughness. Right, That's what Golden brings. He has play

924
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: speed and he has toughness. He's not afraid to hit you. Uh.

925
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: He moves really well. There's some discipline issues, just becoming

926
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: more consistent player. But he's a player that I would

927
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: consider somewhere in the mid second round. He's a top

928
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: fifty player in this draft for me. Our boy from

929
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,919
Speaker 1: South Florida, sonad Dedrin sonad noose tackle, a big boy,

930
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: and I said that people might get turned off of

931
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: the South Florida thing, but he had a full ride

932
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 1: to Florida State right team. Big teams were recruiting him hard.

933
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: Not the biggest guy in terms of height or length,

934
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: and that'll show up some times. He'll stay attached to

935
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: some blocks at times, but he is powerful to point

936
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:22,240
Speaker 1: of attack, really understands how to use that natural leverage.

937
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: He has some quickness where he can two gap and

938
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: make plays and he's just he's very productive. And he

939
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: saw that on the tape. So Son, if you don't

940
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: get I don't know if he last eighty one, yeah,

941
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: but I don't know if you take him at fifty,

942
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: he might be kind of in between somewhere. But if

943
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: you don't get your nose tackle in the first and

944
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: you still are looking for that nose tackle, that's a

945
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: guy keep in mind. On day two. And then the

946
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: final guy who David alluded to that I stole, which

947
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: I did, Dj Moore, who's just outstanding. It's just fun.

948
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look past the height, I don't

949
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: see how you just don't love DJ Moore. I mean,

950
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 1: he's we'll see it the combine. Is he five ten,

951
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: five ten and a half? Is he under five ten?

952
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: That'll be a big step for him. Um and as

953
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: well the other measurables with his arm length and hand

954
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: size and all that. But he's just he. I see

955
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: shades of Steve Smith with his power, his quickness, his

956
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: ability to create after the catch. Is a sharp route runner.

957
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: His production this year with five different quarterbacks, that just

958
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: that speaks for itself. So to me, he's a top

959
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,919
Speaker 1: three wide receiver in this class and eager to see

960
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: how he does at the combine. I don't think he's

961
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: going to test like overly will, but you know I

962
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 1: don't expect him to either. If he runs a four

963
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: five four, that doesn't do anything, that doesn't bother me. No,

964
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: that's range about that guy. Because the tape is so good.

965
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: I agree, you know, I think I think you got

966
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: the I think you got him right. My three guys,

967
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: it's no secret how much I love Shot Griffin from UCF. Yep,

968
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: there's no secret of that. And I know we have

969
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: to figure out though, where does he gets selected? And

970
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: I know that that you know guys like you know

971
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 1: with Dane and who I again, once again fully trust

972
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: love to argue Jeff Kavanaugh. He says, where do you

973
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: take a player that's not going to be a starter

974
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 1: for you? Where do you take a player that is

975
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: going to be a sub package player? Where are you

976
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: going to take a player that's going to play special

977
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: teams for you? I mean, how many snaps are you

978
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: going to get from the guy? And again, I just

979
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: kind of I'm in that. I'm in that thing. I'm thinking, Okay,

980
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna be one of my forty six on game

981
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: day and I'm gonna play him. I'm gonna play him

982
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: in all those sub package things. And I think that

983
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: when you play, it's fifty sixty percent of the time

984
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: you're playing sub package stuff. I'm gonna find snaps for

985
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: him there, and I'm gonna find I'm gonna have him

986
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: on every one of my special teams, anything to do

987
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: with running, anything with doing with getting down the field,

988
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: making a tackle and all that. I'm putting this guy involved.

989
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put him in some nickel rush stuff. You know.

990
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna figure out some spots for him. But you're right,

991
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: I don't and you and Jeff I don't you know

992
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:58,439
Speaker 1: where where's the value for this player? And and that's

993
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: where I think teams. That's to be one of my

994
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: questions at the combine with all my old mates. Where

995
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: do you guys see a guy like Shack Griffin going?

996
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: And we'll talk about that. I bet you the combine.

997
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: A matter of fact, he's here tonight. Yeah, for the

998
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: for the Jason Witt Awards. Okay, yeah, he's one of

999
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: the finalists. Yeah, he's working on just down the road,

1000
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: him and Fitzpatrick and who else is involved with them? Oh?

1001
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: You put me on the Sitzpatrick Shaq Griffin. Oh and

1002
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 1: the quarterback Ocloma State. Thank you za Zack Randolph. He's

1003
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,439
Speaker 1: a basketball player facing Rudolph. But yeah, but but I'm

1004
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: interested in in him, I really really am. I'll tell

1005
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: you what the next one would be. Hayden Hurst be

1006
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: tied end from South car He has my top tight end.

1007
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: I'll tell you who I watched. It was pretty interesting

1008
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: the other day, Dan, you might want to tell me

1009
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,919
Speaker 1: about this guy? Maybe this Lee? Yeah, this from watching Okay,

1010
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: well another day another time for that he's a lot

1011
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: to talk about it. I'll have to talk about will this.

1012
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: I do like him. I think it's a really good

1013
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: tight end group if you but but hayden Hurst, if

1014
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 1: you're talking about a guy that could play a little

1015
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: in line, he could play as a wing. They move

1016
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 1: him around. He's not a trained killer as a blocker.

1017
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: I think he's more of a getting away fit, finished

1018
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: turned steer kind of a guy. But when you talk

1019
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: about throwing the ball down the field, he makes plays.

1020
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: He can adjust across the middle, he can go low,

1021
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: he can go high. He's got sideline awareness when the

1022
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: ball comes to that direction over there. Hayden Hurst is

1023
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: a guy I think he's probably of the tiding guys.

1024
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: He was I'm looking for the complete guy, but he

1025
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,439
Speaker 1: was the guy that kind of excited me about more

1026
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 1: the downfield stuff with him. And then my last guy

1027
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: is John Kelly, the running back from Tennessee and now Okay.

1028
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: Him and a kid Walton Malk Walton from from Miami.

1029
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: Two very similar guys, two very similar guys. If you

1030
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: want to if you're looking for that guy that's a

1031
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: little bit of a change of pace, the quickness, the

1032
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: explore elosiveness to catching. I think that Walton is a

1033
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: little bit better suited as a pass blocker, which I mean,

1034
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 1: I was watching that tape really strong because I was

1035
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: trying to think, okay, but I just liked more of

1036
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:16,720
Speaker 1: the finish with with with Kelly. You know, I really

1037
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: liked the way the power and stuff like that. But

1038
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: you know, he's a guy that that you know, very productive,

1039
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,240
Speaker 1: like when they threw him the football again. I mean,

1040
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: if I could just work on that pass block and

1041
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: a little bit more, I think that, you know, I'm

1042
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: not comparing him to what you know, Mcamara and Tennessee,

1043
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: but somebody is gonna grab one of these backs and

1044
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna hit on the same way the

1045
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: Saints did. They're gonna hit on one of these guys

1046
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: in the middle of that board and they're gonna be

1047
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: really happy. But I think it's not gonna be just

1048
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,919
Speaker 1: one guy. I think there's gonna be several guys I love. Yeah,

1049
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: I just happen to like Kelly a little bit more

1050
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: than some of the other of those in the middle

1051
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: of the board type of guys. But Walton is another guy.

1052
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: If if you said, oh, ros how about Walton. I

1053
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: you know what I'm not. I'm not fighting you, Nope.

1054
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: And I reported a couple of days ago because he

1055
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,479
Speaker 1: missed most of the year with the ankle and jury,

1056
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: and I reported that he's been training and he plans

1057
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: to do everything at the combine. So it's first time

1058
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: we'll see him in a long time. He's kind of

1059
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,919
Speaker 1: been the forgotten guy because out of sight, out of mind.

1060
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,240
Speaker 1: But he is, like you said, a very good player.

1061
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: And I mean on my board, I have Walton. He's

1062
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: in my top ten running backs, top one hundred guy

1063
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: and with a good combine, he might he's gonna gain

1064
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: some momentum in this process. Absolutely, all right, good lists.

1065
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: You and I were talking about that scouts, right, yeah, yeah,

1066
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: it's the whole media scout and I'm interested in what

1067
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: you say about this too. By the way, Well, I

1068
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: think one of the reasons this dynamic works with us

1069
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: three in the show is you have the perspective. You

1070
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: did it in the war room, you know, and now

1071
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: you're on this side of things, you bring that perspective.

1072
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: I've invested in my entire life into this. I mean,

1073
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: scouting has been my career and what I've done in

1074
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: the last ten years. And you know, for Dave, it's

1075
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: more of kind of ancillary part of you know what

1076
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 1: he does, and you know he puts in the time

1077
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 1: and the work, and so we each bring a different perspective.

1078
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 1: And it's interesting because there's especially with social media, all

1079
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: the different media scouts that are out there, current voices

1080
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: that are out there. Sure opinions, and it's not to

1081
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: say that maybe some are better than others, but I

1082
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: think fans, I think fans are smart and they recognize

1083
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: who puts the work in, who knows what they're talking about,

1084
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: who knows what they're looking for, and that brings up,

1085
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 1: you know, the conversation about a guy like Bill Pollian

1086
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: who is now on the media side, who has Hall

1087
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: of Fame credentials. There's no debate exactly, but with the

1088
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: Wholamar Jackson, you know, he's taking a hard stance on

1089
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: He's a wide receiver. And it's not to take anything

1090
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: away from Bill Pollion what he's done throughout his career,

1091
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: but you know, and we all disagree, he's yeah bananas

1092
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 1: with that take, and it's and I've been on Bill

1093
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: Polian's side. I've been on that side of the fence,

1094
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: as you said. And even when he said that, I cringed.

1095
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: You know, I said, no, you can't. You know, I

1096
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 1: know Daniel Jeremiah's come out and said, if they want

1097
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: if you know, tell them to you know, go go

1098
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: do something else. If they want you to play a

1099
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: wide receiver, tell the team they go draft somebody else. Yeah, absolutely,

1100
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: he should do that. He should. It's it's strange when

1101
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: Pollian came out with his reasoning and said about how

1102
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: getting the ball in his hands, and you want to

1103
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: figure out more ways to do that? Last time I checked,

1104
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: that's what a quarterback. Yeah, he touches the ball every

1105
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 1: single snap. So the only well other than it's in

1106
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: the center. Yeah. Absolutely. And look it's is Lamar Jackson.

1107
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: A perfect prospect by no means what he's saying that

1108
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: he needs work and several areas as a passer. And

1109
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: when you get excited about him on film more than that,

1110
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: it's because of what he's doing with his legs and

1111
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: so you know that that tells you something right there.

1112
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: He needs to get better with his development as a passer.

1113
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, it's fans need

1114
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:04,879
Speaker 1: to know who to trust when we're talking about this

1115
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: kind of thing, and Bill Pollian again has those credentials, right,

1116
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean you take him everything he says to

1117
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: face value. You know, you watch Lamar Jackson for yourself,

1118
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: make your own decisions. And let me make it clear too,

1119
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,439
Speaker 1: Bill Pollion's the minority. Yeah, you know, it's not like

1120
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: that's what a lot of NFL teams are thinking. The

1121
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: majority of teams, at least the ones that I've talked to,

1122
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: see him as a quarterback. I've not heard one team

1123
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 1: say he's a wide receiver on a board, but that's

1124
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,879
Speaker 1: how we're viewing. I don't Yeah, I haven't heard that either.

1125
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: This I mean it much less so because of the

1126
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: positions involved. But it kind of reminds me of the

1127
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: Jabril Peppers, you know, just. I mean, you could kind

1128
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,439
Speaker 1: of you could paint a pretty good infographic of who

1129
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: thought what and who did what amount of work based

1130
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: on what they thought about running back. Yeah. Yeah, and

1131
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, you know, people that listen

1132
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: to this show are in another category than ninety eight

1133
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,720
Speaker 1: percent of the people who follow the draft or football

1134
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: in general. You know, So I know our listeners are

1135
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: smarter than the average football fan. And I would like

1136
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: to think anybody with above average intelligence can kind of

1137
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 1: pick out the the bs basically, and I mean ninety

1138
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: percent of that stuff, it's just white noise and same thing,

1139
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: you know, And you know, obviously mock drafts work. I'm

1140
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: not I don't have a problem with mock drafts. Like

1141
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: they get clicks, they're interesting, they make you think, like,

1142
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with that at all. But

1143
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: you can kind of see who does and doesn't know

1144
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: what they're talking about, just based on what they're thinking

1145
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: and what they're doing with those you know, fake picks,

1146
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,280
Speaker 1: and so, like I said, I would hope that anybody

1147
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: who puts a little bit of thought into it can

1148
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: kind of parse out the crap from the genuine insight.

1149
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: And if Lamar Jackson three years from now does not

1150
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 1: work out, that does not mean that Bill Pullian was right. Yeah,

1151
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: I mean you had to you have to try Lamar

1152
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: Jackson as a quarterback, and he has to make you

1153
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: to wrong, right, And I mean, has Bill Pollant never

1154
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: seen him runner route, no catch a pass? That's that's

1155
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: I mean it. There's a little more to playing the

1156
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: wide receiver position than just being an athlete. I think

1157
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: you have to keep an open mind about that. I

1158
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: said that opened in the show. I don't think that

1159
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: you can have the nineteen ninety two mentality or nineteen

1160
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: ninety three mentality. You know, if that's the case, then

1161
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: then Josh Allen is accuracy problems end? Did you make

1162
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: them a tight end? Yeah? You shouldn't have that attitude.

1163
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 1: There's there's I mean, I'm sorry if this is simplistic,

1164
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: but there's just no way that Pat Mahomes can be

1165
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: a top ten pick and Lamar Jackson needs to play

1166
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Yeah, I just I just my my my situation. No,

1167
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: with the whole thing. I never have a problem with

1168
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: anybody's opinion, media, scout or whatever. I don't have as

1169
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: long as you do the work. Yeah, go do the work.

1170
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: If you know, if you're if you're not doing the

1171
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 1: work and you're trying to tell me, oh, this is

1172
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: how I have them rated and you and you haven't

1173
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: done the work, then I don't, you know, because there's

1174
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: no there's nothing perfect about what we're doing. I mean,

1175
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: we're trying to say, investigate, educate, that's what we're trying

1176
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: to do, you know. And I think I've been the

1177
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: first one who admit when I'm wrong about these players.

1178
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: I think that's one of my strengths to say, you know,

1179
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: I was wrong about Joey Bosa. I've fought him new

1180
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: tooth and nail on Joey Bosa, and I admit that.

1181
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: But see the thing about it is, though I think

1182
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: that you, like you said, David, I think people are

1183
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: smart enough out there, but if you come at us

1184
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: with stuff, you know, make sure you're educated, make sure

1185
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: you make sure you've sat down, and hey, this is

1186
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: what I've done. And that's the cool thing about you know,

1187
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: in this day and age, like Dane said, fans are

1188
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: smart like you can. This information's out there for you

1189
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: to find and right smart people, hey Parson, whatever you

1190
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: have to do to dig and find more. But the

1191
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 1: guys like Bill Pollian who are Hall of Fan, the

1192
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, you know, Bill Polian ain't always right,

1193
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: and that's and that you know, don't ever forget that

1194
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: as we're not always right either too. But we will

1195
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: will do our very best satting average exactly all right,

1196
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,439
Speaker 1: Hey Gosten, thank you everybody out there. Money show will

1197
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: be uh combine driven. We will be in Indianapolis on

1198
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: Tuesday shows, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday next week. From the Combine,

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00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: we get it all covered from you there, Stephen Jones,

1200
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones, all the opinions, everything going on there. So

1201
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: we will see you Monday at ten am. Thanks again

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00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: for joining us.