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Speaker 3: It seems more like Friday, though, because we've got a
Speaker 3: game on Thursday. And I've got one question right off
Speaker 3: the top, because it was so easy to get a
Speaker 3: parking place here today.
Speaker 2: It was so driving here today.
Speaker 3: Actually, and they after drive in the afternoon this week
Speaker 3: and it's like everyone's out Christmas shopping already or something.
Speaker 3: But the highways are flooded with people.
Speaker 4: I'm just realizing why the pluckt is.
Speaker 3: Because it's Thanksgiving week? Yes, solo place or something like?
Speaker 4: What has happened?
Speaker 3: That's my question. Do people in the real world, not
Speaker 3: in this fantasy world that we live in, do they
Speaker 3: just take off all week for Thanksgiving? I think back
Speaker 3: back in the day, back in the day, we went
Speaker 3: to school until Wednesday, absolutely, and then we got Thursday
Speaker 3: and Friday off whatever. But now obviously there's no school
Speaker 3: this week, and then do people just take off all week.
Speaker 2: That's why there's so much travel going on.
Speaker 5: Well, I do know that cowboy football players themselves microphone
Speaker 5: the holidays.
Speaker 4: The holidays mean nothing to us and our families.
Speaker 2: Working the last holiday, the last holidays July fourth, you're
Speaker 2: working all the rest.
Speaker 5: I never really had a Thanksgiving, you know, back when
Speaker 5: you play, you just never had one, you.
Speaker 3: Know the way then the way the NF that's right,
Speaker 3: even Labor Day you're working because they've started game week.
Speaker 3: For the mean, there's not a game. The NFL does
Speaker 3: not have games on Labor Day weekend anymore, but it's
Speaker 3: for the media and for nothing. The players will get
Speaker 3: off on Labor Day weekend, but they've got to be
Speaker 3: back to work by Monday.
Speaker 5: Labor Day, Christ Lady, Christmas, Labor Day, you labor.
Speaker 2: That's the first day of the season.
Speaker 4: Labor Day, you labor, and no other way to put it.
Speaker 3: So anyway, So it's a great time for tours here
Speaker 3: at the start in Frisco because there's.
Speaker 2: Some going on.
Speaker 4: Tomorrow. We just won a game, guys, I want.
Speaker 3: I would say for those of you coming into town
Speaker 3: tomorrow would be a great day to take a tour here,
Speaker 3: no absol. You might be able to tap on windows
Speaker 3: and see players and stuff getting ready for the game and.
Speaker 2: Get in Bill's way, so he loses his concentration.
Speaker 3: All right, It's a different schedule today because we've got
Speaker 3: the Mike McCarthy press conference coming up middle afternoon sometime
Speaker 3: this afternoon, right, and then practice is three thirty later
Speaker 3: practice I think, and then the locker room availability is
Speaker 3: like at five o'clock today, so so we push it
Speaker 3: back because of the short week. We did have Jerry
Speaker 3: Jones on the radio this morning and making some breaking
Speaker 3: news headlines across the country today. Would you like to
Speaker 3: fill us in, Mickey on what those breaking news?
Speaker 2: Which which one is the uh? The uh the fact
Speaker 2: that Mike Dorothy possibility that Mike McCarthy could be back
Speaker 2: next year?
Speaker 3: Uh huh?
Speaker 4: What did they say?
Speaker 2: That's what Jerry said, Oh, they asked him, and he said.
Speaker 3: They asked him if he's going to be back next year.
Speaker 2: They said, is there everybody's assuming he's not going to
Speaker 2: be back next year? Is there any validity to do that?
Speaker 3: And he goes So they were going through the back
Speaker 3: door to try to figure out whether yeah, because they
Speaker 3: probably already said it, right.
Speaker 2: It was like the question they.
Speaker 3: Ask him this way, Let's say that, you know, there's
Speaker 3: an assumption out there. Is he assuming the same thing?
Speaker 2: And they were, they were They were also proponents of tanking, right,
Speaker 2: So they asked that question too.
Speaker 4: I don't know, how do you think? How does that?
Speaker 4: How does that work? You just don't play? What?
Speaker 2: Yeah, people, because they're playing everybody right now, right.
Speaker 3: People, Yeah, you don't play ever since you don't play
Speaker 3: your starting quarterback, you play your backup.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, well what taking the You don't play.
Speaker 5: You don't play your foot and you know they don't
Speaker 5: don't tell your first two defensive ends we've been taking
Speaker 5: all year.
Speaker 3: If the Pro Bowler, the ones who made the Pro
Speaker 3: Bowl last year or any time in their career, they
Speaker 3: don't play well.
Speaker 2: And that's what happened last day. That's what happened. Five
Speaker 2: guys made the Pro Bowlers did not.
Speaker 3: But Cavante Turpin did play, and so that ruined the day.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, he spoiled Cate. Cavante spoiled the draft
Speaker 3: as soon as we sit him down.
Speaker 2: So if you need to know if you need to
Speaker 2: know how to ask questions. Don't say, well, we think
Speaker 2: you should tank. Other people are saying you should tank.
Speaker 2: What do you have to say about that? That's right,
Speaker 2: it's other people, not us.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, other people. Be the guy next to them, yeah,
Speaker 4: the people this guy over here.
Speaker 2: And that's true too, by the way, when it was
Speaker 2: asked there they want draft picks.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 3: So what's the most memorable play that came out of
Speaker 3: Sunday's game against Washington. It's just sort of rhetorious, easy, Yes,
Speaker 3: it's turping Turpin right, all right, So let's just take
Speaker 3: it a step further that if if you want this
Speaker 3: team to tank, okay, and you're gonna sit all the
Speaker 3: players who couldn't actually win the game for you, then
Speaker 3: you would not have that moment of watching Cavante Turpin,
Speaker 3: and you would not have the moments where thirty one
Speaker 3: points are scored in the last three minutes of the game.
Speaker 3: There is value in the present, in what's happening right now,
Speaker 3: and forget about draft.
Speaker 4: It leads, it leads to unforgivable moments.
Speaker 3: Exactly, yes, right, so that there's a value in there.
Speaker 2: That's when Jerry then told his story about how important
Speaker 2: winning is in a game in the NFL, no matter
Speaker 2: what your record is, winning is important, and he and
Speaker 2: I've heard this story one hundred times, but he told
Speaker 2: the story about he's got a signed football from nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty nine, the only game they won, and he said,
Speaker 2: he's got it up on his mantle. He said, he said,
Speaker 2: I don't know why he mentioned Herschel Walker because by
Speaker 2: the time you won that game, Herschel was gone, right,
Speaker 2: I think because it was the ninth game of the season.
Speaker 2: You guys were owinging. And he talks about how he's
Speaker 2: got this ball, and somebody came up to him and said, well, Jerry,
Speaker 2: why do you have this ball on display? You only
Speaker 2: won one game, and he goes, because it was my
Speaker 2: first win as an owner, and we won a game,
Speaker 2: and I'm very proud of the fact that they gave
Speaker 2: me a ball for the win.
Speaker 5: And it means something to something different to every person,
Speaker 5: you know, to me, I played against Doug, you know,
Speaker 5: and to most of the guys out there, this is
Speaker 5: a right that was still a rivalry. So you know,
Speaker 5: everything that goes into that, it's it's still relevant.
Speaker 4: Uh, you know, got my only in.
Speaker 2: Session that season, that for that season, But you remember her.
Speaker 4: I remember that game.
Speaker 3: So we just brought it up. He talked about it yesterday. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so come on, man, I thirty five years later I.
Speaker 5: Got fifty seven, but that one. Without that one, I
Speaker 5: only have fifty six.
Speaker 2: And so people, Yeah, people don't understand if you prepare
Speaker 2: for something you want to win. How do you tell
Speaker 2: you tell Turpin slowed out, don't be real, don't.
Speaker 4: Do something great. He's gonna do something great this game
Speaker 4: because of what.
Speaker 2: He's a restricted free agent next year. He's got to
Speaker 2: worry about making money. You think Josh Butler doesn't want
Speaker 2: to play hard. It's a second NFL start in his
Speaker 2: career at twenty eight years old.
Speaker 5: By the way, I sent the video out to all
Speaker 5: the ladies in my family and there they're like, who the.
Speaker 4: Cool jazz, Oh the one that Yeah, send it out
Speaker 4: to the ladies of.
Speaker 3: The pretty brown skin. Yeah, yeah, he plays.
Speaker 4: You need to play.
Speaker 2: I mean, you think TJ. Bass doesn't want to play, well,
Speaker 2: you're gonna tell him to turn it down. He comes
Speaker 2: into the league as an undrafted free agent. He's a
Speaker 2: second year player, barely gets to play he's gonna play.
Speaker 3: His heart out.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean it's just ridiculous.
Speaker 5: It's hard to tank a game and everyone is not involved, right,
Speaker 5: you got.
Speaker 2: So many It's not like basketball, you only got five
Speaker 2: guys out there.
Speaker 5: It's kind of like you have the rumors out there.
Speaker 5: And I don't know, I guess true or not of
Speaker 5: Super Bowls that have been tanked, a big championship games
Speaker 5: that have been tanked, and I think they had a
Speaker 5: game that I was involved in. And so my thing is,
Speaker 5: I didn't get the memo. You know, don't I don't.
Speaker 5: You know, you gotta let everybody know.
Speaker 2: Like the Black Sox scandal, I didn't tell.
Speaker 5: All night, tell everybody, so you know, to be able
Speaker 5: to tank that. There was some games where they talked
Speaker 5: about the Super Bowl where they thought that Earl morrole
Speaker 5: the Coats.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jets coach yet super Bowl.
Speaker 4: They were saying that Earl mare through the game.
Speaker 2: Did did they make money for it?
Speaker 5: I said one of the players, I think Diacon Jones.
Speaker 5: He said that people, I think, you.
Speaker 3: Know, Dick would have been involved in that game.
Speaker 5: But who was the other big mean guy for uh,
Speaker 5: for the Coats?
Speaker 2: It was he was for the Coats, Big Daddy Lipskin.
Speaker 4: Bubba Smith.
Speaker 5: Bubba Smith said, if he ever sees Earl Morrell or something, he's.
Speaker 4: Gonna choke him or something.
Speaker 5: Really, I gotta find That's why I said when I
Speaker 5: said come out with stuff.
Speaker 4: You know, I have my truth. I have my truth.
Speaker 4: So if I'm wrong, I will admit it here on.
Speaker 3: The Airka, I'll go searching for.
Speaker 2: That, you know. And I'm sure there's people thinking, well,
Speaker 2: the Giants are tanking. No, they're saving salary cap money. Well,
Speaker 2: the reason they didn't want Jones to get hurt.
Speaker 3: And by the way, the reason that you tank is
Speaker 3: for what Yeah, and usually a quarterback, right, okay, and
Speaker 3: you've got your quarterback, okay. And by the way, there
Speaker 3: have been picks. How many times have picks been made
Speaker 3: in the top five that did not turn out to
Speaker 3: be good by various teams?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: And that was Jerry's point.
Speaker 3: How about how about Michael Parsons, Okay, who the Cowboys drafted,
Speaker 3: traded down and drafted one of the best players on
Speaker 3: the team, one of the best defensive players in the league.
Speaker 3: He hadn't got me yet, and had the Cowboys been
Speaker 3: and had the Cowboys pick fifth in that draft. Instead
Speaker 3: of that, they had the tenth bait and they traded
Speaker 3: down to eleven or something whatever they did from nine
Speaker 3: to eleven. All Right, if they had the fifth pick,
Speaker 3: they wouldn't have drafted Michael Parsons. They probably would have
Speaker 3: drafted a cornerback or somebody, you know, because of need.
Speaker 3: So just because you've got a higher draft pick doesn't
Speaker 3: mean you're going to draft a better player either the
Speaker 3: way they will shake out in the draft. I mean, look,
Speaker 3: how many good great players in this organization were taken
Speaker 3: mid to late first round.
Speaker 2: So anyway, it's a it's a dumb thought. It is,
Speaker 2: all right, So I could have picked a better word,
Speaker 2: but it's a dumb thought.
Speaker 3: What else did you gather out of? Was there another
Speaker 3: headline that?
Speaker 2: Uh see, that was two of them?
Speaker 3: Okay, so the tanking headline and the McCarthy headline, okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And and and just talking about how hard these
Speaker 2: guys have played. They not might have played well, but
Speaker 2: they've played hard. Uh. And the fact that they got
Speaker 2: all these young guys playing, and Jerry said that they're
Speaker 2: they're improved and they're gonna get better going forward for
Speaker 2: next year. That's important that you you know, you win
Speaker 2: some games.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: The other thing is, and Bill brought it up yesterday,
Speaker 2: they're playing two and nine, four and six, trying to
Speaker 2: remember whatever Marilina is and then Tampa Bay's got to
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay four and six, a winning record by the
Speaker 2: time the Cowboys playing.
Speaker 3: But your point is.
Speaker 2: There's there's there's teams of your own ilk that you're
Speaker 2: now gonna face and maybe you can win them. And
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter if it's home or away. I mean,
Speaker 2: if you look at the teams they lost at home,
Speaker 2: they're all in first or second place except for New Orleans.
Speaker 3: If you go back to the history of this team,
Speaker 3: because the Cowboys couldn't win on the road last year
Speaker 3: the year before, right, right, And if you go back
Speaker 3: and look at who they played on the road versus
Speaker 3: at home, it typically is the better teams they played
Speaker 3: at home this year and the better teams they played
Speaker 3: on the road last year. And so that is what
Speaker 3: was reflective of why you have a worse or better
Speaker 3: home versus road run.
Speaker 2: And it's like the perception that always was out there
Speaker 2: that the Cowboys had the advantage on Thanksgiving playing at
Speaker 2: home on a short week, right, Well, When they were good,
Speaker 2: they won on Thanksgiving. When they sucked, they lost on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: It didn't matter.
Speaker 5: Well, you know the thing about the media, it's just
Speaker 5: the way it goes. It's a stowy either way. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's a stowy either way. Right, they can sit up
Speaker 5: here and throw out all of these rumors and give
Speaker 5: creetens to it. Ask him a question, no matter what
Speaker 5: his answer may be, Jerry or Kevin or Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 5: you're gonna be you know, they're going to overanalyze those words.
Speaker 5: And in the meantime, you're talking about people out there
Speaker 5: who are, like you said, trying to do their job.
Speaker 5: They're trying to carve out a living for themselves in
Speaker 5: the NFL, whether it's practice squad, you know, whether you're
Speaker 5: coming from another team trying to prove yourself. You gotta
Speaker 5: drag your family with you. And so there's all this speculation.
Speaker 5: But then you've got individuals who are going to be
Speaker 5: targets of those speculations.
Speaker 4: You see.
Speaker 5: So when that when you make a determination about an
Speaker 5: individual and everyone talks about how yeah that they give
Speaker 5: credence to that, So then this individual may pop out
Speaker 5: and undo all of that you know, by him being
Speaker 5: a stronger person.
Speaker 4: He got through it all.
Speaker 5: Whatever that was that you would throwing at him, Well,
Speaker 5: he's gotten through it all. Now, well, the media won't say, hey, man,
Speaker 5: well sorry, they're gonna say that's another story.
Speaker 4: So it's always a story, you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: You're gonna win either way as media, you know, And
Speaker 5: it's up to us to be the characters in the game,
Speaker 5: you see, because now it's like, well, let let's say
Speaker 5: Michael Downs, Michael Downson is he's not supposed to be here.
Speaker 5: He was't supposed to play as well as he did,
Speaker 5: you know, And they'll go over all the reasons that
Speaker 5: Michael Downs should not be a.
Speaker 3: Good or, if you want to put it in present day,
Speaker 3: Josh Butler.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, right now, we're going to all the reasons
Speaker 5: that Josh Butler should not be here. Well, all of
Speaker 5: a sudden, he comes in, he starts making plays forget
Speaker 5: that copy, right, I'm going ahead with this one, and
Speaker 5: you're going to contradict yourself in the meantime, and who knows,
Speaker 5: but they don't care. They don't care about the contradiction.
Speaker 5: They won't go back and say, oh, man, I was wrong,
Speaker 5: and the process.
Speaker 3: Of here's why, here's why this guy wasn't drafted. He
Speaker 3: can't do this, can't do this, and then all of
Speaker 3: a sudden he starts playing well, and well, he can't
Speaker 3: do that, he can't do this, he can't do that.
Speaker 2: Sort of like sort of like all the stories before
Speaker 2: the Washington game on how Washington figured it out. They
Speaker 2: know how to win, they know how to run their organization.
Speaker 2: They're so head out.
Speaker 5: There individuals on this team on why Washington's is going
Speaker 5: to do this right, So now you're selling this guy's
Speaker 5: reputation in the process, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 5: he comes back and he doesn't plays well. You might
Speaker 5: mention that he played well or not, it doesn't matter
Speaker 5: because now we're moving.
Speaker 2: On to the They went out, all the all the
Speaker 2: players left the Cowboys to follow Quinn, who, by the way,
Speaker 2: had it all figured out right, And then after the Laws,
Speaker 2: after the win, it's like, oh, well, look what these guys. Yeah,
Speaker 2: well what about those guys you said we're so good?
Speaker 2: They left? Well, they left because they made more money.
Speaker 4: Than narrative changes, just like that.
Speaker 2: How about this one? So the Cowboys lost five in
Speaker 2: a row, then they win one. Somebody asked McCarthy yesterday,
Speaker 2: You've always said that, you know, when you lose, it's
Speaker 2: you you get guys attention. But now that you won one,
Speaker 2: do you worry about getting their attention? Huh? Seriously? You
Speaker 2: know what his answer was. He said, we're still pretty
Speaker 2: far down in the valley of adversity. We got a
Speaker 2: lot of climbing.
Speaker 4: He's gonna lose control of the team.
Speaker 2: They're gonna eat the cheese.
Speaker 3: Look at us. Oh, they were a missed extra point
Speaker 3: away from overtime against Washington.
Speaker 5: And as you go back, you think about one in
Speaker 5: fifteenth season, could you imagine all of the stories and
Speaker 5: the ideas going through we ports heads on what to
Speaker 5: ask Jimmy now and what to ask Jermy now? You know,
Speaker 5: I mean, come on, man, just oh I'm surprised somebody
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Speaker 4: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: Well, I won't get into it. We don't have time yet.
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Speaker 3: Oh, that was very well done.
Speaker 4: That was good.
Speaker 3: It was that got my attention.
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 3: That's the whole point.
Speaker 2: Now, I would think I thought he was talking about
Speaker 2: tree lighting or something.
Speaker 4: Either way, it didn't work out.
Speaker 3: That's why I like a commercial on television if there's
Speaker 3: just silence, like, Okay, it starts off and then there's
Speaker 3: silence for like five seconds. Yeah, what will you do?
Speaker 3: What You'll look at You'll look at the No, you'll
Speaker 3: look at the TV. You'd say, that'll get your attention, right, rhythm,
Speaker 3: try something wrong with the TV. And then and then
Speaker 3: they got you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's when you come on when that's when.
Speaker 3: You shine, uh huh. And it's kind of like this
Speaker 3: Cowboys season. They got off to a nice start in
Speaker 3: Cleveland and then went quiet and even going up to
Speaker 3: the Pittsburgh game, Okay, things are all right, and then
Speaker 3: there was silence for like five.
Speaker 2: Straight games three and two.
Speaker 3: Right now, they've got your attention, yeah, okay, and I'm
Speaker 3: going to tell you why in that locker room they
Speaker 3: have reason to believe. How many teams make the playoffs.
Speaker 3: You got your four division winners, seven and you got
Speaker 3: three wild cards. Okay. So if you look at the
Speaker 3: wild card race right now at the NFC, you got
Speaker 3: the Minnesota Vikings, they would have the first wild card
Speaker 3: at nine and two, and the Green Bay Packers would
Speaker 3: have the second at eight and three. So who has
Speaker 3: the third wild card right now?
Speaker 2: Washington?
Speaker 3: That would be Washington at seven and five, a team
Speaker 3: the Cowboys just beat on their home field on Sunday,
Speaker 3: And if the Cowboys beat the Giants on Thursday, they
Speaker 3: will be exactly two games behind Washington for the third
Speaker 3: wild card spot in the UNFC at five and seven.
Speaker 3: The Commanders are at seven and five.
Speaker 2: Can I go further?
Speaker 3: Yes you can.
Speaker 2: So the other teams that are ahead of the Cowboys
Speaker 2: Arizona six and five. So these are the non.
Speaker 3: First, non first place teams teams in the wild card
Speaker 3: hunt right now.
Speaker 2: The Rams are five and six, San Francisco's five and six,
Speaker 2: Tampa Bays five and six. So when you're talking wild
Speaker 2: card at this point, it would be Minnesota nine and two,
Speaker 2: Green Bay eight and three, and Washington seven and five.
Speaker 3: So let's just say it continues to play out where
Speaker 3: all those teams play at that same level or roughly, okay,
Speaker 3: and the Cowboys go on a roll against these teams
Speaker 3: without a winning record, and they get to Christmas and
Speaker 3: they're basically at five hundred or it will be five three,
Speaker 3: three games left. They beat Tampa Bay right before Christmas.
Speaker 3: Now you're eight and seven with two games left, and
Speaker 3: you've got Philadelphia and Washington left play. Okay, The point
Speaker 3: is all they have to do before the last game
Speaker 3: of the season is if it plays out like we're
Speaker 3: suggesting it could, is be one game behind Washington going
Speaker 3: into the last game of the season, and they could
Speaker 3: be playing for a wild card spot because all they
Speaker 3: have to do is be equal with Washington. They don't
Speaker 3: have to be ahead of Washington because if they beat them,
Speaker 3: they'd have the tiebreaker.
Speaker 2: And that game won't be flexed the way everybody's suggested already.
Speaker 2: It's going to be flexed because it's not.
Speaker 4: Going to meet it has TVD, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: But all of them are TVD right now, Well.
Speaker 2: There was another one that was almost one that they wanted.
Speaker 3: Now I'm telling about that weekend because they want.
Speaker 2: To Cowboys game. Could that be flexed? It's a Monday
Speaker 2: night game? Do they flex Monday Night? I don't think no,
Speaker 2: specially cowbolated networks want them play.
Speaker 3: Were within two weeks of that.
Speaker 2: Game, especially especially if they.
Speaker 3: Now, especially since the season was turned around on on
Speaker 3: Cavante Turpin's turnaround kickoff return.
Speaker 9: What a spin move it was. He spun the season around. Okay,
Speaker 9: so that's reason there is still hope in that locker room.
Speaker 9: There may not be a hope anywhere else, but in
Speaker 9: that locker room, there is still hope.
Speaker 2: So I won't go through what we did with the Giants,
Speaker 2: but here's the people that are on the Cowboys injury port.
Speaker 3: And he did this during the break. He went through
Speaker 3: the Giant's injury report.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I only recognized a couple names. Sorry, Now,
Speaker 2: somebody just looked at the Cowboys, would they recognize Deron Bland,
Speaker 2: Brandon Cooks, Trayvon Diggs, Jake Ferguson. He went to the
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl.
Speaker 3: All four that you mentioned have been to Pro bos.
Speaker 2: Eric Ricks.
Speaker 3: Been to a Pro Bowl. He's been to a Pro Bowl.
Speaker 3: Zack Martin he's been to several. Tyler Smith he's been.
Speaker 2: These are the guys that are on the Cowboys injury report.
Speaker 2: These are guys that have been to the Pro Bowl. Now,
Speaker 2: I don't know how many people know who.
Speaker 3: And that's not even counting the Dak Prescott's and DeMarcus Lawrence's.
Speaker 2: Because they're not even on the team right now.
Speaker 3: So yeah, all right, so who's playing on this?
Speaker 2: So my guess is awesome. Richards is out. He's got
Speaker 2: a high ankle spring. Yeah, he's got a high ankle spring.
Speaker 2: So probably a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Jake Ferguson as of yesterday was still in the concussion protocol.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be hard for him to get out of
Speaker 2: it in time. So maybe Cincinnati, Zack Martin on a
Speaker 2: short week, Tyler Smith a short week.
Speaker 3: They didn't make the trip.
Speaker 2: So now at least they got Tyler Smith as limited,
Speaker 2: so he probably has a chance. They also have Cooper
Speaker 2: Rush listed as limited, but Mike thought that he's got
Speaker 2: a little work to do, but he.
Speaker 3: Should be able to go. There's a knee.
Speaker 2: Yeah, issue, Brandon Cooks has a chance. They thought Brandon
Speaker 2: Cooks was going last week and he did too. He
Speaker 2: got to Friday and something just wouldn't right, and so.
Speaker 3: He made the trip though Diggs did not.
Speaker 2: Diggs did not and he was limited, and that said
Speaker 2: questionable and I got a big two question marks after questionable.
Speaker 2: You're questionable, you're not out, should be on the plane? Right,
Speaker 2: Well he wasn't just leave it at that.
Speaker 3: Maybe something happened on Saturday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Kendrick's probably got his normal day off. Marshawn
Speaker 2: Neelan ended up with a little bit of a We
Speaker 2: talked about him yesterday, c D say yesterday, I remember
Speaker 2: that he was going to get twenty some snaps.
Speaker 3: And he got nineteen snaps.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of it.
Speaker 3: But he did and so he was fine coming out
Speaker 3: of the game. I think, okay, all right, so he
Speaker 3: can go again on Thursday.
Speaker 2: Sjordan Lewis projected him full after missing the game.
Speaker 3: You know he'll Jordan played.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh that's right, that was the week before. Yeah, sorry,
Speaker 2: Hunter Lipke, He's good to go. Calf Full.
Speaker 3: They played, so the rest of them. So my question
Speaker 3: is on the offensive line. It looks like Tyl where
Speaker 3: they may get Tyler Smith back at left guard on Thursday.
Speaker 2: Maybe not Zach right and so what what you do?
Speaker 3: So then TJ goes over and plays right guard for
Speaker 3: Zach Martin and brought Hoffman's your swing inside offensive lineman.
Speaker 3: And you've got Tyler Geydon who came out of the
Speaker 3: game four awesome Richards after he struggled there.
Speaker 2: In the second half.
Speaker 3: He came back in and and then he got another
Speaker 3: colleague okay, And then he also had.
Speaker 2: Tuma Atoga the swing tackle.
Speaker 3: Okay, So is there a chance in your estimation since
Speaker 3: Tuma has been injured all season, but he was ready
Speaker 3: this past week and now now he's the guy that
Speaker 3: takes awesome Richards spot as the next man in at tackle.
Speaker 3: So would they be as quick on the trigger putting
Speaker 3: Tuma into the game if Tyler Guyton struggles against Kevon Thibodeaux.
Speaker 3: Remember when Guyton went up against Thibodeaux the last time
Speaker 3: he struggled, And Thibodeaux just came back this past week
Speaker 3: from injury himself, but he played this past week.
Speaker 2: But that was what the third game of the season.
Speaker 3: That was into September yeah.
Speaker 4: And some of those calls were yeah a little bit.
Speaker 3: There was just some spin move activity that he was doing.
Speaker 3: Cavante turpin on him a little bit.
Speaker 2: It's like the holding call he got he got Sunday.
Speaker 2: I mean, guy, he's got the guy blocked and these
Speaker 2: guy's falling and he just shoves him to the ground
Speaker 2: and jumps.
Speaker 3: On kind of the Connor Williams holds or.
Speaker 2: The are the ones that Tyler Smith was getting his
Speaker 2: rookie year.
Speaker 3: Connor Williams.
Speaker 2: Don't go to the ground with them because it looks
Speaker 2: like you you held him and you threw him down.
Speaker 2: The guy was already falling.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 5: He's done, And that's that's kind of what happened in
Speaker 5: the New York game. He he was blocking him, but
Speaker 5: he wanted to really yeah, right, and then that's why he.
Speaker 3: Got to take them the mean streak.
Speaker 4: We'll take it out. You gotta know what when to apply. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he forgot to back off and tank right, right.
Speaker 2: Did you see how hard they were hitting on defense
Speaker 2: by the way, some of the tackles they were making
Speaker 2: flying right to the last kickoff return. No, I hope
Speaker 2: that guy's Goodler, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Your favorite.
Speaker 2: And you smell his name, E K E L E
Speaker 2: R Okay. I don't know where that E got in
Speaker 2: there between the K and the L, right, But I
Speaker 2: mean even in some of those tackles on the sideline
Speaker 2: when they were trying to get someone down, guys were
Speaker 2: flying in there. I don't know that I've seen that
Speaker 2: as much.
Speaker 5: There are times, man, when things just come together, and
Speaker 5: that's why that's why you gotta let everybody know when
Speaker 5: you tank.
Speaker 3: It was like the Giants were taking on Sunday right,
Speaker 3: the comments coming out of another locker room. I don't
Speaker 3: know they were playing soft apparently.
Speaker 5: There are times I talked to you about the Cardinals
Speaker 5: game eighty seven when when we got guys all out
Speaker 5: of position, everybody's hurt. We got Steve Dias at outside linebacker,
Speaker 5: guys that if you got, you got no Steve yass.
Speaker 5: It don't work. That does not fit. He does not run,
Speaker 5: you know, he he lumbers.
Speaker 3: But if you tak you tank for a quarterback. And
Speaker 3: the Giants have a reason to tank because they need
Speaker 3: a quarterback.
Speaker 4: You don't like the veto.
Speaker 2: Maybe it wasn't Oh, where we're going now?
Speaker 8: I was looking for the.
Speaker 2: Cardinals game.
Speaker 3: This year.
Speaker 4: He's looking for the game.
Speaker 3: Eighty seven.
Speaker 2: Now, it didn't talk to him.
Speaker 4: It was at close to the end of the season.
Speaker 2: It was still Saint Lewis then Sat Lewis card.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, you.
Speaker 2: Played them the first game of the season and the
Speaker 2: last game of the season. Maybe it was a different year.
Speaker 4: What happened in the last game of season?
Speaker 2: You beat him twenty one to sixteen. Yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: the game with and Jeff.
Speaker 3: Ward and they were doing one.
Speaker 4: They were actually playing well.
Speaker 2: He was saying, who had to play out of the position?
Speaker 3: Out of position?
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, Like I said, it's like it'd be
Speaker 5: like putting me a strong safety when I played at
Speaker 5: worse than that, because I could have done decently. But
Speaker 5: Steve Diasti had never played outside linebacker. That's a that's
Speaker 5: a position of fluidity.
Speaker 2: You know, he maybe middle if he was playing linebackers, Well, yes, that's.
Speaker 4: What he's playing.
Speaker 3: He played.
Speaker 4: He's a middle linebacker. That's he is. He is all that.
Speaker 4: But when you switch it, that's like saying having.
Speaker 3: Block, he's to block him. He was the nineteen thirty
Speaker 3: five range middle linebacker.
Speaker 4: He's that Carr Baker, He's that.
Speaker 3: He's not he doesn't have the athleticism of a chuck.
Speaker 5: How he does that, he won't be He won't be
Speaker 5: a Ferrari. He would be a dump truck.
Speaker 2: You you lost four games in a row that year,
Speaker 2: that's right, and then you stepped on the gas the
Speaker 2: last two and beat the Rams and beat the car.
Speaker 4: With that group of linebackers.
Speaker 2: That's my point to get to seven and eight, to get.
Speaker 5: To seven and eight, So think about that. That's the comparison.
Speaker 5: But to that and now is pretty spot on, pretty
Speaker 5: spot on. You got guys all out of position and
Speaker 5: and they played well. They played welldos was was sniffing
Speaker 5: out plays with between linebackers and combos with with fullbacks
Speaker 5: and running backs. It was, it was, It was something
Speaker 5: to behold and.
Speaker 2: Thanks thanks to the replacement players, you got off to
Speaker 2: a three and one start.
Speaker 3: Look at that his Wikipedia Steve Diassi's Wikipedia page, and
Speaker 3: this this perhaps will paint a picture of what Steve
Speaker 3: Dissi looked like as a football player. If you ever
Speaker 3: watched The Flintstones, Yes, his nickname was Barney Rubble.
Speaker 2: I thought it was I thought it was red because.
Speaker 3: Beach ball. Beach ball was more than red because of
Speaker 3: the many shades of color. His face would turn in
Speaker 3: the sun.
Speaker 5: I hope you're not eating, but you know, when you're
Speaker 5: in the locker room, you see more than that. And
Speaker 5: there were more shades to come along with it.
Speaker 2: I never I think I there's there's only two guys
Speaker 2: probably on that team that maybe slept the most during
Speaker 2: the noon hour when we were in there, Diosse Yeah
Speaker 2: and too Tall.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and both of them for good reason.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they was a sleeping going on.
Speaker 3: One other note from the Wikipedia page on Steve Diassi.
Speaker 3: As described by Bill Belichick in a twenty eleven press conference,
Speaker 3: Dioce's ability to snap the ball and block in the
Speaker 3: same play was exploited by the Cowboys to spread the
Speaker 3: punt formations and use less blockers, revolutionizing the punt game.
Speaker 5: So true, okay, and his son followed in those footsteps.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, Zach Diassi.
Speaker 4: Zhack dios just retires.
Speaker 3: In nineteen eighty nine, though Steve dis clashed with the
Speaker 3: new coaching staff that was brought in by Jimmy Johnson,
Speaker 3: was traded to the Giant.
Speaker 5: And when I say he was one of those players
Speaker 5: that didn't care what the narrative was when it came
Speaker 5: to his style of play whether he started or not.
Speaker 5: In most games, he didn't start. In New York, Gary
Speaker 5: Reasons was our one of our middle linebackers out of Crowley, Texas.
Speaker 4: He had a stadium named after him in Crowley. If
Speaker 4: I'm nothing sake, and he.
Speaker 5: Was injured, Steve comes in along with Pepper Johnson on Friday.
Speaker 5: When they way in they are about two fifty five.
Speaker 5: By the time the game starts on Sunday, there are
Speaker 5: about two seventy five. And we played up against teams
Speaker 5: that tried to run the ball up the middle. And
Speaker 5: this is the first time I heard the term bust
Speaker 5: the b and that's what they did. The guards were uncovered,
Speaker 5: they came out to meet our two linebackers and there
Speaker 5: was no getting past them. That was the most impressive
Speaker 5: streak of run defense I've ever been a part of
Speaker 5: in my entire life. That I think we went on
Speaker 5: three straight games without Reasons and Diosce was in there.
Speaker 5: I don't know why they didn't try to explore him
Speaker 5: more on passing, but they tried to run the ball
Speaker 5: and I could see it. They would hit the guards
Speaker 5: so hard. You know where CTE comes from. They would
Speaker 5: hit them so hard there was nothing in there. Barry
Speaker 5: Sanders was a victim of it. The Detroit lines was
Speaker 5: a victim of it. I saw Barry Sanders afraid. I
Speaker 5: saw him afraid. You could see it when you got
Speaker 5: the ball. He was not trying to run, he was
Speaker 5: trying to fall. I never seen anything like that. And
Speaker 5: Steve Diosse and Pepa Johnson. You put those two guys
Speaker 5: in the middle. You don't burst that, Bob, not at all.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 5: It was so impressive. We went on a three game
Speaker 5: UH win streak after we had finally lost a couple
Speaker 5: of games, because we thought we were going undefeated that year,
Speaker 5: but after we lost a couple of games.
Speaker 4: I think one of the two or three game win Street.
Speaker 5: Simply because our defensive linebackers played so well. And when
Speaker 5: he came down to it, Gary Reasons couldn't wait to
Speaker 5: get back and get his job back because he was
Speaker 5: about to lose it because of that, because of Steves
Speaker 5: and how effective we were playing against.
Speaker 2: Him, and leaving opened the door for another deep snapper character,
Speaker 2: Dale Hellesdale.
Speaker 4: I guess the all characters, right.
Speaker 2: I remember when he walked in the locker room and
Speaker 2: I was sitting next to Nate, and Nate's going, who
Speaker 2: are we bring it here? He didn't realize he was
Speaker 2: the deep snapper.
Speaker 5: He wasn't built like a line but right, build more
Speaker 5: like a trucker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they traded for him, I believe front because
Speaker 2: he was with the Raiders. Yep, that's right, and they
Speaker 2: traded for Dale hell Street.
Speaker 4: It wasn't mobility. He was made to just snap the balls.
Speaker 2: And it was always amazing when I saw him run
Speaker 2: down field and make a tackle.
Speaker 3: And he and he says a lot about the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: It's when your deep snapper has his own radio show.
Speaker 3: And that's says the America's tea. Yeah, that's right. And
Speaker 3: one other note on deep snappers, the diocees Steve diasan
Speaker 3: Zach Diassi the only father son combination to win Super
Speaker 3: Bowls with the same.
Speaker 4: Team, same team.
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Speaker 2: So he's gonna be there Friday night.
Speaker 3: He's gonna be there Friday night past Friday night.
Speaker 2: Might be going to a high school game there Friday night.
Speaker 3: Oh really it was playing.
Speaker 2: Highland Park and Frisco.
Speaker 3: Ready, yeah, right, that's gonna be a Randy Allen's Highland
Speaker 3: Parks guyes. They got a sophomore quarterback named Buck Randall.
Speaker 4: I saw that.
Speaker 2: What a great name.
Speaker 3: Right, all right, we got a couple of minutes left.
Speaker 2: Here, a couple things more from McCarthy. I guess it
Speaker 2: was maybe the game uh jan ye Tom mus mm hmm.
Speaker 2: He said, yeah, that was a no Moss play.
Speaker 3: Now who said that McCarthy one yet?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no Moss. He said he should have gone down
Speaker 2: at the ones you could because if he went down,
Speaker 2: then the clock's running.
Speaker 4: And I'm going to score. Bro it goes out, Yes,
Speaker 4: I scored.
Speaker 3: The thought would have run through your mind to fall down.
Speaker 5: I am not going to lie to you. It would
Speaker 5: not have even been run through anywhere I was going
Speaker 5: to score. I would have scored.
Speaker 3: Admitted that it went through his mind.
Speaker 2: Yes, right, It wouldn't have even gone through my mind.
Speaker 4: It would not. It would not.
Speaker 2: I said, if we can't hold him off.
Speaker 3: Well you got it in your own hands though, to
Speaker 3: stop the hill. Mary, Yeah, that would too, I guess,
Speaker 3: being a dB. Now having said that, about one ye
Speaker 3: there was the play on the goal line where an
Speaker 3: edge was not set the touchdown run. Yes, it was
Speaker 3: evident that defensive players immediately went to him and said,
Speaker 3: you gotta shut the edge.
Speaker 2: Parsons, I believe.
Speaker 3: And there were there were others too that were headed
Speaker 3: his direction, because I'm sure that's what he was thinking.
Speaker 5: Okay, we all know what we got to do here,
Speaker 5: and he assumed. I guess everyone's on the same page.
Speaker 5: We got to set the edge. He was part of it,
Speaker 5: but you know he was to set it.
Speaker 2: He was supposed to feel it taken out too, didn't
Speaker 2: get over you got he went instead of staying there.
Speaker 5: Well, if you go yet, you have someone there still
Speaker 5: to set the edge.
Speaker 3: But if it's your responsibility to set the edge in
Speaker 3: that situation, and you said, I don't think it.
Speaker 2: Was, well, the defensive end didn't help out.
Speaker 5: I think the defensive end was supposed to set it
Speaker 5: and he was going to make his move yet still
Speaker 5: hoping that's that edge would be set.
Speaker 4: That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 3: I'm just going off of Micah's reaction. I think it's
Speaker 3: Goldston too. They were both went in the direction of
Speaker 3: jan Ye and.
Speaker 4: Just knowing people.
Speaker 5: I don't think Parsons would be upset at someone unless
Speaker 5: it was valid, Right.
Speaker 3: That's what I mean. Yeah, Yeah, that's what I mean.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also, Josh Butler did get a game ball, sound like
Speaker 2: he was going to be a captain this this week.
Speaker 2: All yeah, yeah, And I suggested this after the game.
Speaker 2: McCarthy was pretty even keel when he came in there,
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking, after I lost five games in a
Speaker 2: row and I win one like that, man, I'm coming
Speaker 2: in there like a storm, right, And I suggested he
Speaker 2: should have got up there and said how about them cowboys?
Speaker 4: But he No, this ain't the moment.
Speaker 2: That ain't his persontiality, and it's not a good timing.
Speaker 3: Yet, that's why Mickey, you're doing mix shots.
Speaker 2: That's right, and I can throw them out on mix shots.
Speaker 3: No, they're they're still in a valley of adversity.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's right, the valley of adversity.
Speaker 4: That's pretty deep, pretty deep.
Speaker 3: And they'll stay in the even with a victory Thursday,
Speaker 3: victory in the next week, and the victory the next
Speaker 3: week they beat, they're going to remain in the valley
Speaker 3: of adversity for a while. That's a good place to
Speaker 3: be in the valley of adversity.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll look at this. The veto was limited in practice,
Speaker 2: and Locke will get reps in practice. Better watch out
Speaker 2: for Drew Locke.
Speaker 4: I wonder if we'll have a leaddown.
Speaker 2: Guys, enough time to think about it.
Speaker 4: We're already down.
Speaker 3: The letdown would come to Nattie game get this one
Speaker 3: if you win this one, and now you got a
Speaker 3: oh weekend long, we got the mini bye. Decide that
Speaker 3: you're all that again. So all right, we're out of
Speaker 3: time already.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 3: You're gonna be here tomorrow ever since.
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