1 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:09,399 Speaker 1: If last week was disappointing and borderline embarrassing, then this week, well, 2 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: this week is heartbreaking. Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, 3 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: Paul Calvic joins me fresh office call of the Cardinals 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: loss at the Los Angeles Rams, a loss that really 5 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: defied logic and maybe better said, defied the numbers. Let's 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: get into it. It's Cardinals Cover two, episode eight thirty seven, 7 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: and it starts now. 8 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 9 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 3: Buda Baker, What Heart? 10 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 4: What rent? 11 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 3: This guy's unbelievable. 12 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 13 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast. Visit Azycardinals 14 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 2: dot com slash podcast. 15 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 3: He's at the ten half of five. He's it again 16 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 3: some more hurry magic. 17 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 2: Whow Here's Craigcreolo. 18 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: So before we begin and really dissects what we saw 19 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: on Saturday nights in Los Angeles, Cardinals lose to the 20 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: Rams thirteen to nine. Definitely got to say I thoroughly 21 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: enjoyed listening to Paul play by play alongside Ron Wolfley 22 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: with Danny Surek on the sideline. So, look, it doesn't 23 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: happen a lot Paul, and we gave you a lot 24 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: of grief going into the game, but solid performance on 25 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:27,839 Speaker 1: your part. 26 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 3: You're just saying that because I'm sitting here, because you know, 27 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 3: if I wasn't here, you would not be saying that. 28 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: That's not true. 29 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 3: I'm just saying, Look, here's how it goes, Cardinal fans, 30 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 3: Red Sea. If you weren't aware, you have a top ten, 31 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 3: maybe top five play by play voice of the team 32 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 3: on the planet in Dave Pash. So if you didn't 33 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 3: appreciate Dave Pash before this last broadcast, you certainly do. Now. 34 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 3: Every once in a great while, yours truly comes in 35 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 3: and we just try and reinforce and re establish how 36 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 3: much you should appreciate the fact that Dave Pass she 37 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 3: is your play by play guy. So there you go. 38 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: Look, it's not every day that we get to hear 39 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: though Paul Calvic on the mic and pontificates alongside Wolf. 40 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 3: Although you did forget one member of the on air 41 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 3: team from every time we go to LA it's the 42 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 3: play by play, it's the analyst, it's the sideline reporter, 43 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 3: and the PA guy, who is actually the fourth member, 44 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 3: whether you like it or not, of the Cardinals broadcast 45 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 3: team every time you go to Sofar because of the 46 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 3: stinking volume of the PA guy and the fact that 47 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 3: the amp that the big Metallica like speaker is right 48 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 3: in front of the Cardinals broadcast visiting radio booth and 49 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 3: so yeah, that's Wolf. Usually the over under on Wolf 50 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 3: getting a headache from the PA guy is mid third quarter. 51 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 3: I think it was right about there where Wolf had 52 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 3: to reach for some sort of medication. 53 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 1: Really should have joined us during the NFL kickoff show 54 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: where they were doing all the pregame auditions as far 55 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: as leading up to the game time and is like 56 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: I several times had to just stop and say, what 57 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: is going on? First it was Aerosmith, then it's a 58 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: mariachi band, and do you want to talk about anything 59 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: else because you can't hear anything. 60 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 3: Wolf was chair dancing to Felice Navidad and then the 61 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 3: other mariachi band renditions. Wolf got in. He burned some 62 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 3: calories over the course of the broadcast. 63 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: I'll say that it was a solid broadcast, just not 64 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: an outcome that we were all hoping for. And since 65 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: we are joining you here on this Monday morning, yes, 66 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: based off what happened Sunday, nights and the Commanders win 67 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: over the Falcons in overtime. The Rams are your NFC 68 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: West Division winners. Strange as that night seem, considering at 69 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: one point, Paul, they were one and four. There was 70 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: talk of them trading away Cooper Cup and perhaps letting 71 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford go elsewhere. And once again Sean McVay, and 72 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: right now the Rams are head of the postseason. 73 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, they did last year as well. They started three 74 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 3: and six and they ended up going to the playoffs. 75 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:57,839 Speaker 3: This year they start one and four. They've won five 76 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 3: in a row, nine out of eleven. The Rams folks 77 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 3: will like to tell you the only other two times 78 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 3: under Sean McVay where they've had a five game winning 79 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 3: streak during the regular season. That season has resulted in 80 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 3: a Super Bowl appearance, one loss, one win. That certainly 81 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 3: didn't look like a Super Bowl contender to me, though 82 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 3: least not an offense. They are not there yet. Somehow 83 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 3: Three games ago they put forty four points on Buffalo 84 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 3: and since then they've won three games, twelve to six, 85 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 3: nineteen to nine, and thirteen to nine. The first four 86 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 3: possessions by the Rams, they ran seventeen plays. They had 87 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 3: zero points, and then the next two possessions they ran 88 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 3: seventeen plays, ended up with ten points, and ultimately that 89 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 3: it ended up being the difference in the game. 90 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: It's really it defies stats because if you look at 91 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,679 Speaker 1: the final numbers, it does not tell you the story. 92 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: Because the Cardinals finished with more total yards, ran more plays, 93 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,039 Speaker 1: had twelve more first downs, ended the game with a 94 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: fourteen minute advantage in time of possession. You had only 95 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: scored nine points, and that's just not gonna get the 96 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: job done. One to four in the red zone. And 97 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: it's it's hard to explain because even at the conclusion 98 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: of the game, and then you listen to the postgame 99 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: Jonathan Gannon Kyle, the Murray conversation that you and Wolf 100 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: had with Michael Wilson, and for whatever strange reason, Paul offensively, 101 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: I actually felt better by what I saw, but don't 102 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: feel good about when I look at the numbers and 103 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: then see the scoreboard, and you'll lose because you only 104 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: scored nine and the defense great bounce back performance from 105 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: a week ago, holding the Rams to thirteen. You should 106 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 1: win a game if you're holding an opponent to less 107 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: than fifteen points. 108 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 3: So one A is red zone. You mentioned that Cardinals 109 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,679 Speaker 3: went one for four. We'll get into that in a minute. 110 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 3: One B is the fact that Matthew Stafford since the 111 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 3: Rams traded for him as their starting quarter in the 112 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 3: month of December. With the Rams, Matthew Stafford is now 113 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 3: thirteen to one. So he finds a way to win 114 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 3: in December. He's been doing it since twenty twenty one 115 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 3: with the Rams, and let's see, how does he find 116 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 3: a way. Well, the keyword here is finish and that's 117 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 3: what the Cardinals failed to do on offense. They didn't 118 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 3: finish drives. Overall, they didn't finish the game, and ultimately, 119 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 3: it's about finishing a season. We've seen the Cardinals before 120 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 3: and after the bye, so that to me is where 121 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 3: the game boils down to. The second half of this 122 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 3: season boils down to. Is the word finish and you're close, 123 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 3: You're absolutely close. When Trey McBride says we're ten plays 124 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 3: away from being a playoff team, it's hard to argue 125 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 3: with that. But in the NFL, it does come down 126 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 3: to one, two, three plays per game, and that's where 127 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 3: the Cardinals are as a team right now in year 128 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 3: two of this reset, this rebuild, whatever you want to 129 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 3: call it. That's where the Cardinals are going to have 130 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 3: to grow from this year to next. 131 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: And JG said as much, not only postgame with you 132 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: and Wolf, but postgame to the reporters who are in 133 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: Los Angeles as well, and he even chuckled and admitted 134 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: that it doesn't sound right for me to say this. 135 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: Yes we're close, but the bottom line is it only 136 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: matters what your record is. And right now this team 137 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: is seven to nine, one in five since the bye week. 138 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: And it goes back to what JG said earlier in 139 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: the week or two weeks ago, believe it was against 140 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: the Patriots or going into that game, about the top 141 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: teams versus the bottom teams and how they look in 142 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: the standings. Here there might be great separation, but really 143 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: amongst the coaches and players who dissect the film, there's 144 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: not that much separation because the talent level is pretty 145 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: darn equal. But what do you do in those five 146 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: to six plays that decide a game, or those final 147 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: five six minutes in the fourth quarter that decides the 148 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: outcome and all of a sudden you walk off the 149 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: field hanging your head high because you won, versus walking 150 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: with your head down. Because you suffered a loss cause 151 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: the Cardinals were right there. I mean, there was no 152 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: doubt in my mind, Paul you on the broadcast that 153 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: final drive Kyler Murray was going to lead this team 154 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: to a victory. You've got the ball with just over 155 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: two minutes to go, you had two timeouts to go, 156 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: everything in front of you, and as Jonathan Gannon said, 157 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: sometimes the ball doesn't bounce your way, and in this case, 158 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: it bounced off the helmet a train McBride into the 159 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: arms of a Rams defender and the Cardinals again walk 160 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: off the field with their heads hung low. 161 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 3: So that left you one for four in the red zone. 162 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 3: And then if you want to look at the fourth 163 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 3: quarter of the Cardinals, three different drives. They drove it 164 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 3: into Rams territory in the fourth quarter and they had 165 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 3: three points to show for it. So what if team's 166 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 3: been doing against the Arizona Cardinals in the offense, they've 167 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 3: been going everybody now with a too high safety shell coverage. 168 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 4: Look. 169 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 3: But more to the point, they're trying to make the 170 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 3: Cardinals finished drives without the unforced air. And to my eye, 171 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 3: that was an unforced air. The defender Cam Curl didn't 172 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 3: get a hand in there. That was the ball either 173 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 3: coming out too quick, the ball coming out too hot, 174 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 3: the receiving target Tray McBride not getting out of the 175 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 3: route or getting turned quickly enough. Again an unforced air. 176 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 3: And that's what teams are doing against the Arizona Cardinals. 177 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 3: Even the scoring drives the Cardinals had ended up being 178 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 3: fourteen play drives, did they not? I mean, you look 179 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 3: at it. The Trey McBride touchdown right that ended the 180 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 3: drought thirteen plays sixty eight yards Chad Rylan a fueld goal. 181 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 3: The other Cardinals points ended up being fourteen plays eighty yards, 182 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 3: So the blocked extra point loomed very large in the game. 183 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 3: Unforced air, the turnover on downs early in the midway 184 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 3: through the first half where it was fourth and one 185 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 3: from the fourteen and Cardinals get stuffed. And I have 186 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 3: to look at the replay, only got one shot at 187 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 3: it live, but from what I could tell, the penetration 188 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 3: was over the rookie right guard Isaiah Adams. So in hindsight, 189 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 3: all right, do you run behind a rookie right guard 190 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 3: in that position when you're going against Kobe Turner, who's 191 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 3: a dude? You know, maybe you figure out another way 192 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 3: on that first and goal from the five, Trey McBride 193 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 3: and we're all Monday morning quarterbacks. I get it literally 194 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 3: here on Cardinals cover two. But is there a zone 195 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 3: read in the works what Washington was doing with Jayden 196 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 3: Daniels where he basically had three options. He can add 197 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 3: it to Brian Robinson, he can run it himself, or 198 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 3: he can extend the play and find the open receiver, 199 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 3: which he did. Is there something in the mix there 200 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 3: that's a possibility for Kyler, one of the best running 201 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 3: quarterbacks the NFL has ever seen, to put a defense 202 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 3: on its heels and give him options. So not to 203 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 3: say that Trey McBride wasn't open, that Trey McBride, that 204 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 3: the play wasn't there to be made, But that's how 205 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 3: close here is on a Cardinals are That's how close 206 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 3: the NFL is between winning and losing. 207 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: And that final play. Look first and goal. Say that 208 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 1: ball is incomplete, it falls incomplete, it bounces, touches the ground, 209 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: You're not able to corral it and get the interception. 210 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: All right, Now it's second in goal, So now you 211 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: have another opportunity to maybe put the ball in the 212 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: hands of Kyler Murray. Let him do Kyler things because 213 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: you don't have James Connor, who did not play much 214 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: of that game because of a knee issue. And still 215 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: the offense was able to amass almost four hundred total yards. 216 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: But on that play, specifically the Rams. You watch that replay, Paul, 217 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: the Rams brought seven. There were four defensive backs covering 218 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: four pass catchers, and it was quick and the decision 219 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: needed to be made. I got to get this ball 220 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: out now, and Kyler did. Maybe, yes, hindsight, he could 221 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 1: he have hang on to that ball, maybe just a 222 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,079 Speaker 1: little bit longer, put it, placed it a little bit better, 223 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: maybe didn't throw with so much on it. I mean, 224 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: it was in there. But again it was tight coverage 225 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: and I'm of the belief and many pass catchers are 226 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: that if it if it's in my vicinity, I need 227 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: to be able to make that catch. 228 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 4: But Trey was. 229 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: He kind of was a little late turning towards that 230 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: football to really see where it was and got his 231 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: hands up late and that's why it hit him off 232 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: the helmet. But again, what it could have should have 233 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Cardinals suffer a loss, and again one in 234 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: five since the bye to your point, Paul. It's the 235 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: finishing in this Cardinals team, not being able to finish 236 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: after one point leading the NFC West. 237 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 3: What's interesting is after the game of an NFL network 238 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 3: I saw Steve Smith Senior as a finalist for the 239 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 3: Pro Football Hall of Fame, longtime receiver in the league. 240 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 3: Michael Robinson, longtime NFL analysts, had an NFL career as well. 241 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 3: They both immediately cited the velocity on the pass came 242 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 3: out with too much hot sauce. I didn't really react 243 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 3: that way in the moment when we and that was 244 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 3: right on the end zone our side of the field, 245 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 3: when we were calling it from the sky high radio 246 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 3: booth there, it didn't seem like now it it was. 247 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 3: He zipped it in there. It was a dart. But 248 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 3: that's just every other pass to Trey McBride. Dude has 249 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 3: the best hands on the team period in my opinion, 250 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 3: So that's nothing he can't handle. Just didn't get around 251 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 3: in time. So whether that had to do with the 252 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 3: time end of the route, whether that's on the quarterback 253 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 3: getting now too quick, they're intended target not turning out, 254 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 3: I don't know exactly how that plays out. I just 255 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 3: know that the play was there to be made, and 256 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 3: and you know what, you try and put the ball 257 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 3: where only your receiver can make the play or it's incomplete. 258 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 3: And so for that to be the outcome for the 259 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 3: ball to bounce that way and into the hands of 260 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 3: a Kello Witherspoon, who's a big corner with they even 261 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 3: they've incited. He has thirty three inch arms, I mean, 262 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,479 Speaker 3: and he needed every millimeter or that to make the interception. 263 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 3: And it's just it's almost borderline confounding. You know that 264 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 3: a game can come down to that, but when it 265 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 3: does come down to such a razor thin margin between 266 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 3: them winning and loss, you tend to look at other 267 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 3: plays in the game. You tend to look at a 268 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 3: pass breakup by a Buddha Baker that easily could have 269 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 3: been a pick. You know, Max Melton made a diving 270 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 3: play that's not but the Garrett Williams, as good as 271 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 3: he was to turn and make the play on the ball, 272 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 3: he got two hands on that ball that could have been. 273 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 3: And the takeaways have been hard for the Cardinals defense 274 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 3: to come by. They're in the bottom five of the league, 275 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 3: and just one more takeaway over the course of that 276 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 3: game could have been the difference in the game as 277 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 3: well as the Cardinals played defensively overall. 278 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: Seven passes defense officially on the stat sheet, but a 279 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: lot of those were in the secondary. Matthew Stafford didn't 280 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: have a good game as far as completing passes, only 281 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: had less than two hundred yards through the air, which 282 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: again the third straight game in which he's had less 283 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: than two hundred passing yards and the Rams have won 284 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: all three games. But yeah, there were a lot of 285 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: hands on the football and the Garrett Williams won the 286 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: Buddha Baker one in the end zone. There's opportunities there 287 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: because we heard Nick rolstalk about it now or maybe 288 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: it was Jonathan Gannon going into the week. As far 289 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: as okay, we teach it and if the opportunity presents itself, 290 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: how do you get that takeaway? And the Cardinals did 291 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: have opportunities, just could not execute and get the ball 292 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: back in the hands of the offense. 293 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 3: And it is remarkable when you look at Kyler Murray 294 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 3: runs the four to three. Matthew Stafford in his sixteenth 295 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 3: year never a threat to run the ball, but he 296 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 3: did effectively a couple of times to extend a play 297 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 3: move the chains. He did not get sacked. So he's 298 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 3: beating defenses with his mind. He's able to read and react. 299 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 3: In year sixteen, and what did JG say when asked 300 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 3: about Matthew Stafford what stands out the most? He said, 301 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 3: accuracy decision making. Now, he didn't have a lot of 302 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 3: accuracy in the first first half. He was missing some plays. 303 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 3: In fact, after the game, Matthew Stafford said, quote, we 304 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 3: didn't do a whole lot great, to be honest with you. 305 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 3: We didn't run it great, we didn't throw it great. 306 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 3: But we found a way to get a win and 307 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 3: get enough points. And that is the next step for 308 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 3: this Cardinals team, for this Cardinals offense. Craig, think back 309 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 3: to twenty thirteen when the Cardinals year one under Bruce 310 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 3: Arians and they went to Seattle end of the season 311 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 3: and they pulled out a win against Legion of Boom team. 312 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken, Carson Palmer had four interceptions in 313 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 3: that game before he threw the game winner to Michael 314 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 3: Floyd in the corner of the end zone on the 315 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 3: Cardinals sideline, and the Cardinals got out of there with 316 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 3: a miraculous win. That was a tone setting win. That 317 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 3: carried into the offseason and extended into twenty fourteen and fifteen. 318 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 3: I'm convinced of that. Later guys talked about the confidence 319 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 3: they got from that win carrying into the entire offseason. 320 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 3: There were games where Kurt Warner through multiple interceptions. Heck, 321 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 3: Kurt Warner in a Super Bowl through the one hundred 322 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 3: yard pick six to James Harrison, right, I wait him 323 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 3: up for everyone to throw on an expletive. Yet he 324 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 3: still put the Cardinals in position to win that game 325 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 3: by the end of the game. And so the last 326 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 3: part of that quote, Matthew Stafford, we found a way 327 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 3: to get a win and get enough points. That's the 328 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 3: next step for the Cardinals. Find a way with the 329 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 3: talent with what you have, you're gonna make improvements, You're 330 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 3: gonna evolve the roster. But when it comes to games 331 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 3: hanging in the balance in the NFL, which is more 332 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 3: often than not, you have to find a way. 333 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: Cardinals had two such games a year ago, winning on 334 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: the road in Pittsburgh in Philadelphia that we all pointed 335 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: to in the offseason. Okay, that's how you get the 336 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: job done. That can carry you into the offseason. Right here, 337 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: talking about it since the bye week Cardinals don't have 338 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 1: that game yet that can really springboard you into the offseason, 339 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: at least I've, at least in my opinion, at least 340 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: not yet. There are some certain things you could point to. 341 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: The downfield passing games certainly looked a heck of a 342 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: lot better on Saturday night. Marvin Harrison Junior was productive. 343 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: We know what Trey McBride can do. Unfortunately, James Connor 344 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: again did not play much of that game. Michael Carter 345 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: came in, played very well, looked good. Always looks good, 346 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: Paul when he is active and on the football field. 347 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: How much more do we see Michael Carter perhaps moving forward? 348 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: He is, though a free agent to be. And you've 349 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: got Trey Benson who did not play because of his 350 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: own injury on Saturday night. So again, there were certain 351 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: things offensively that you could point to. Again, collectively, it's 352 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: nine points, it's less than ten. It's not good enough 353 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: in totality. 354 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 3: Back to that word finish, right, it's a six letter 355 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 3: F word. Finish. You gotta finish drives, finish games, finish 356 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 3: the season. That that's the big picture on the Arizona Cardinals, 357 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 3: And I agree with the downfield passing. Think you had 358 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 3: the stat how many pass plays of nineteen yards or more? 359 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: They had five pass plays of nineteen or more. They 360 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: had six in the previous Let me okay, it's based 361 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: off the game books. They defined deep as sixteen or 362 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: more air yards, correct, So that's how I was looking 363 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: at it. Okay, there were five such plays on Saturday night. 364 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: There had been six total the previous four games. Wow, 365 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: going into Saturday. So something was unlocked or the Rams 366 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: defensively doing something different. Yet at the same time, it 367 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 1: certainly looked in the second half that something was unlocked 368 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: and Kyler whether he had more time or was just 369 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 1: looking further downfield than he typically does, And all of 370 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: a sudden, Michael Wilson gets involved, Trey McBride gets. 371 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 3: In the say Jones tapping the feet. 372 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: And it was a great catch and he hardly ever 373 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: gets targeted, let alone gets a chance to be on 374 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 1: the field. And then Marvin Harrison Junior with his best 375 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: production since week eight, again all positives. Yeah, at the 376 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: same time, nine points. 377 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 3: And I wanted to reiterate that because if nothing else, 378 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 3: to make myself feel like the question was legit to 379 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 3: the head coach, after the game during our postgame radio interview, 380 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 3: when I asked him about the downfield passing attack evolving 381 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 3: improving in this game. Yes, it's in the context of 382 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 3: a loss, but there's no doubt it just had to 383 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 3: feel that you were putting the defense on the heels. 384 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 3: What did Drew Terrell, the passing game coordinator and receivers coach, 385 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 3: say a couple of weeks ago, Hey, we're spouse to 386 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 3: dictate to the defense when it comes to throwing the ball, 387 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 3: make them defend us. And I thought the Cardinals as 388 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 3: a receiver group and as a passing game did a 389 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 3: much better job of that in this RAMS game than 390 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 3: we had seen in a couple of months, to be honest. 391 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 3: And the fact that nine different pass catchers were involved 392 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 3: and that James Connor was on the bench for the 393 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 3: majority of the game and or ineffective. We all know 394 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 3: what the Cardinals offense looks historically without James Connor not good. 395 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 3: And so the fact that you were able to move 396 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 3: the ball now you couldn't get it into the end zone, 397 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,679 Speaker 3: you couldn't get enough points. I get it, but I 398 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 3: think to me that was a step in the right direction, 399 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 3: because too often and We've talked about this with Rob Frederickson, 400 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 3: with Kyle Vannenboscher and the Red Sea Report. The Cardinals 401 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 3: drafted wide receiver one, but other than a few quarters 402 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 3: and a few halves here and there, they they haven't 403 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 3: really reaped the benefits of having wide receiver one that 404 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 3: consistently commands double coverage all the time. That that hasn't 405 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 3: been what has occurred on the field. And so I 406 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 3: think in this game you got the sense, Okay, Marvin 407 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 3: Harrison Junior, is that guy is wide receiver one K 408 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 3: one is finding him keeping a defense, honest, and look, 409 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 3: it's opening things up elsewhere for other guys. There is 410 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 3: a trickle down effect to me. You really got that 411 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 3: feeling here in week seventeen against the Rams. 412 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're gonna have that wide receiver one that's 413 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: going to attract attention, then someone else needs to step 414 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: up their game. It's got to be someone else's benefit 415 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 1: from that attention, whether that's Trey McBride or Marvin Harrison Junior. 416 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: In this case on Saturday, he actually had both. I mean, 417 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: at this point, Paul, there is I don't know of 418 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: many teams that have an answer for Trey McBride whether 419 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: he is lined up as a wide receiver in the 420 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 1: slot or a hand in the dirt and then goes 421 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: out to catch a pass, he is an elite tight end. 422 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: And I don't make any bones about saying that out loud. 423 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: He is that guy for this Cardinals team. Okay, so 424 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: that should benefit someone else, Marvin Michael James Connor when 425 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: he's playing on the field. So if again, your number 426 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 1: one pass catcher is a tight end, then use that 427 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: to your advantage and then get to the point where 428 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior can be that wide receiver one that 429 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: maybe gets the extra attention like he was doing earlier 430 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: in the season, but maybe not so much in these 431 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: handful of games since the bye week. 432 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 3: By the way, and Trey mcbridey did not realize this 433 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 3: here until this morning, that he has one hundred four 434 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 3: catches on the season. He is the tenth tight end 435 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 3: in NFL history to have one hundred receptions in a season. 436 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 3: I did not realize the group was that small. He's 437 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 3: one of ten. Ever. Now he's a fifth Cardinals player 438 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 3: ever to have one hundred catches in a season, joining 439 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 3: like Hilaria Fitzgerald and An kwon Bolden. But here's the thing. 440 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 3: He's another twelve catch game away from Tyne zach Ertz 441 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 3: for the most catches ever in a single season by 442 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 3: a tight end. He has one four. Zach Ertz won 443 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 3: sixteen in twenty eighteen for a tight end for a 444 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 3: tight National Football League in a single season. He has 445 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 3: already had three twelve catch games. If he has a 446 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 3: fourth twelve catch game, he's going to tie zach Ertz 447 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 3: for most catches in a single season by a tight 448 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 3: end in NFL history. 449 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 4: Wow. 450 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 1: Now that pert puts things into perspective as far as 451 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: just the production that Trey has had this season, Because 452 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: you bring up those twelve or more receptions games, his 453 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: three are more than every other tight end combined this season. 454 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey has one, Brock Bauers has won. That's it. 455 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 1: Trey's got three. A fourth this Sunday, by the way, 456 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 1: kickoff Week eighteen against the forty nine ers. We now 457 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: know a day and a time, Sunday, January fifth to 458 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: twenty five at State Farm Stadium, So come out watch 459 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: Trey McBride continue to elevate his numbers and become, if 460 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: not one of the best, the best tight end in 461 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: the game in twenty twenty four. 462 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 3: By the way, if you're wondering what is the yardage 463 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 3: mark all time in a single season for an NFL 464 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 3: tight end, Trey has no chance. It's over fourteen hundred 465 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 3: by Travis Kelcey in twenty twenty. Right now, try McBride 466 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 3: has one hundred four catches for one tho eighty one yards, 467 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 3: So that's ridiculous. Travis Kelcey in twenty twenty had over 468 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 3: fourteen hundred yards receiving as he was in his prime, 469 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 3: and that's when Patrick Mahomes first came on the scene. 470 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 3: So you're saying, there's something for Trey to shoot for 471 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 3: next season? 472 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: Who were getting that? 473 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's gonna need a lot of second and third 474 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 3: level catches next season too to approach fourteen hundred yards receiving. 475 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 3: But it was good to see him get into the 476 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 3: end zone. And yes, that was a thing. There's no 477 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 3: doubt it was a thing. As your friendly neighborhood sideline reporter, 478 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 3: they're as greate as season as Trey has had. He 479 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 3: might be the most competitive dude on game day on 480 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 3: the entire sideline. That's saying something. I mean, there's an 481 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 3: elite handful of guys James Connor, Buddha Baker, Trey McBride, 482 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 3: like dudes who just have a different look in their 483 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 3: eye on game day. Paris Johnson Junior to a certain 484 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 3: degree just has that look like, Okay, they're unapproachable on 485 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 3: game day. Don't keep your distance. And so the fact 486 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 3: that he had gone this long without it touchdown catch 487 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 3: and the fact that it was talked about and bandied 488 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 3: about to such a degree, there was definitely a frustration level. 489 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 3: So kudos for the Cardinals and Trey McBride for getting 490 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 3: that out of the way and checking that box. 491 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: Catch number ninety eight for Trey McBride to get him 492 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 1: into the end zone. Speaking of catches, Michael Wilson with 493 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: four catches on Saturday, and then because well he is 494 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: as good he is postgame as he is in game. 495 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: Michael Wilson stopped by the radio booth downstairs, of course 496 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: and talk with you, Paul and Wolf about the game overall. 497 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: And you asked the pertinent question, what's the toughest part 498 00:25:58,520 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: of this one? 499 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 5: It's just not getting it done. I think you know 500 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 5: been in this situation a lot of times, haven't been 501 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 5: able to put games away in the fourth quarter, So 502 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 5: pretty frustrating. 503 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 3: When you look at the Cardinals offense, I mean, I 504 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 3: can cite a lot of stats here. You guys dominated 505 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 3: time of possession thirty seven to twenty three. You doubled 506 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 3: first downs against the Rams twenty four to twelve, six 507 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 3: to thirteen on third down, what was clicking? What'd you 508 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 3: like about the offense by the Cardinals tonight? 509 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like we're able to detect the defenses 510 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 5: in the multiple multitude of ways, spreading the ball around, 511 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 5: explosive short gains, fourteen play drives. Uh, you know, Michael 512 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 5: Carter played his ass off, Trey McBride obviously had continue 513 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 5: to do what he does. Marv was able to get going. 514 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 5: That's just the margin, to say out, the margin of 515 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 5: baron in the NFL is so small, and even with 516 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 5: you know, winning the game in those aspects, it's it 517 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 5: does sometimes it doesn't reflect on the on the score work. 518 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 4: Michael, do you feel like you guys came out here 519 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,479 Speaker 4: and executed the game plan the way that you wanted 520 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 4: to or did you make adjustments mid stream as well? Yeah? 521 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 5: Our game plan was just to score one more point 522 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 5: than the other team, and you know, we didn't. I 523 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 5: think statistically wise, like I said, we I think our 524 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 5: offense was played really really well, but that always doesn't 525 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 5: guarantee success. And I think what's glaring from this game 526 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 5: in my initial takeaways, that's how hard it is to 527 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 5: win the National Football League, like the margin fair, especially 528 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,479 Speaker 5: late in December, when you get you know, around playoff time, 529 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 5: it's just so difficult to win. You can do everything right, 530 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 5: sometimes the ball doesn't bounce you away. And I think, 531 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 5: I think, surely, I think that's what happened today. 532 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 3: Give me a quick word on the passing game in particular, 533 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 3: nine different receivers, a bunch more chunk plays, you know, 534 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 3: the downfield passing attacks seemed to really evolve and grow 535 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 3: in this game. 536 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. 537 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 5: I thought it was. It was a fun fun game 538 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 5: to be around or be a part of. Marv catching explosives. 539 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 5: Even Jay Jones got going. Greg had a few catches, 540 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 5: Elijah had a few catches, you know, Trey mar myself. Yeah, 541 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 5: I think that's kind of a picture of what we 542 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 5: can be when we're clicking. 543 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 3: My last question for Michael Wilson, for everyone who wondered, 544 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 3: everyone outside that locker room, who wondered, all right, with 545 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 3: the Cardinals bringing they're going against the team that's playing 546 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 3: for everything, playing for a chance to clinch. What can 547 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 3: you tell us about the mentality tonight going into this game. 548 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Ghosts showed the Metalia team, but also 549 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 5: it'd be it'd be indictment on everyone in the building 550 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 5: if they didn't show up the same way. Just I mean, 551 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 5: this is the NFL, I think not. I think I 552 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 5: know everyone has dreamed of being in this position. And 553 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 5: if you'd have told me ten years ago to have 554 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 5: opportunity to play, and you know, a week seventeen game 555 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 5: against the Los Angeles Rams, like a teenager me would 556 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 5: have perked up and said, no way. And you know, 557 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 5: there's no way I would not come out here. Anyone 558 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 5: in this locker would not come out here and show 559 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 5: up the same way, even if this was, you know, 560 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 5: for a playoff berth on the line. So I think 561 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 5: that's just really just a given. And if you know 562 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 5: guys are not doing that, then they shouldn't be in 563 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 5: the NFL. They don't. It's a privilege to play. 564 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 3: In this league. 565 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: Listening back to that a second time, Paul, and I 566 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: don't know if you noticed it in real time Saturday night, 567 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: just how quiet it was in the background. I've heard 568 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: enough of these interviews that you do down in the 569 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: locker room on the chaos that can be because this 570 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: team needs to get packed up and board the bus 571 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: to get to the airport. But that was very, very 572 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: quiet and noticeable that the background noise was not very 573 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: audible during that conversation. 574 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 3: And you realize how they put it all out there. 575 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 3: This isn't a team that was just going through the 576 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 3: motions like some other teams around the NFL in Week 577 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 3: seventeen who've been eliminated from the playoffs, Jets, you know, 578 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 3: there's certain teams. You know that I gave up a 579 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 3: forty burger and just went down meekly Cowboys, And so 580 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 3: that wasn't the Arizona Cardinals we saw last year going 581 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 3: to Pittsburgh, going to Philadelphia, and the talk all week 582 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 3: and the talk after the game was put it on film. 583 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 3: Don't necessarily put it on film for the decision makers, 584 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 3: although that's always a great idea if you're a player. 585 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 3: And we'll tell our story about what Mania Sports said 586 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 3: to the team last year after the season finale. We'll 587 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 3: share that Mark that down. We'll tell that story next 588 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 3: week here on Cardinals Cover two. So the guys know 589 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 3: that guess what, there will be blood, there will be 590 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 3: change if you don't put it on film. But in 591 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 3: this case, they wanted to put it on film for 592 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 3: each other. At least, that was the mantra in the 593 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 3: locker room, and both sides of the ball bring it 594 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 3: and you know, let's see if you can get out 595 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 3: of here and play the spoiler, be the grinch, be 596 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 3: the mean one going in. You know what they were 597 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 3: saying in La by the way, going into that game, 598 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 3: all the Rams fans are like Mary Clinch Miss, and so. 599 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: They couldn't even clinch though with the win because of 600 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: all the other strength, the victory tiebreakers and all that stuff. 601 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: It wasn't a T shirt and hat game because they 602 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: weren't giving them out after the game. 603 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 3: So you know, the Cardinals caming. I don't know if 604 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 3: you saw Will Ferrell as buddy the el kids at 605 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 3: the La Kings game. You know, Cardinals should have had 606 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 3: their their green suit on, you know, the grinch suit, 607 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 3: going to grinch mode and ruin Mary Clinch Miss. That 608 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 3: was the game plan at least going in. And yes, 609 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 3: you were a bounce away of the football from doing 610 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 3: just that. 611 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: That's the one thing we can say about this Arizona 612 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: Cardinals team consistently. Sometimes maybe it just doesn't look as 613 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: good maybe in the start, but they are going to 614 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: battle for sixty minutes regardless of what the record is, 615 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: regardless of where they are in the standings, something that 616 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: Michael Wilson just touched on, because yeah, it's again it's 617 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: cliche to say, but the process that Jag believes in, 618 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: and then are you here next year? Are you If 619 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: you're not here, are you somewhere else? Or has your 620 00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,040 Speaker 1: played yourself out of league? Based off what you do 621 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: you Saturday night? And then one more game up coming 622 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: up against the forty nine ers, what do you do? 623 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: What do you show that you are a part of. 624 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 6: This moving into twenty twenty five and now that the 625 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 6: Rams have won the division and you're always measuring yourself 626 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 6: in your division first and one of the reasons that 627 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 6: you wanted not only to ruin Mary Clinch miss and 628 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 6: beat the Rams, get the season sweep, and then go 629 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 6: on and beat the forty nine ers is to go 630 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 6: from a winless twenty twenty three in the division to 631 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 6: a four and two record. 632 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 3: Now, you can still finish five hundred in the division. 633 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 3: But if you're assessing yourself against your neighbors, and you're 634 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 3: looking over the block wall into the Jones backyard right 635 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 3: and you're saying, okay, Cardinals need to figure out a 636 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 3: way to defend Puka Nakua. He did not play in 637 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 3: Week two. He most definitely played the week seventeen and 638 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 3: it was a big factor. It was a big reason 639 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 3: why the Rams won the game. He had ten four 640 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 3: over one hundred and twenty. You know, so if there's 641 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 3: a big corner in this draft who you could match 642 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 3: up with a pookao for the next five to eight years, 643 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 3: that's not a bad thing to look for in the 644 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 3: offseason if you're if you're the Arizona Cardinals. The other thing, 645 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 3: and we talked about it going into the game. During 646 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 3: the game, you know, pressure on Matthew Stafford under pressure. 647 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 3: He had the fifth worst passer rating in the league 648 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 3: going into the game. It's night and day when he's 649 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 3: under pressure and when he's not because he doesn't have 650 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 3: the mobility really extend, although he did a few times 651 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 3: and he got out where the Cardinals had their back 652 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 3: to the line of scrimmage. Kudos to Matthew Stafford in 653 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 3: that case. But once again, and this goes for every 654 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 3: single game, not just the Rams. You know, you need 655 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 3: to find a better way to affect the quarterback speed 656 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 3: up the quarterback. You know, we talked to about this 657 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 3: on a Cardinals underground. If there's a new analytic that 658 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 3: I can launch in the offseason, and I'm the last 659 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 3: guy qualified to launch anything related to math, it would 660 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 3: be quarterback speed Factor. Terrible name. I need to figure 661 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 3: that out, but it's which team speeds up the other 662 00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 3: team's quarterback more effectively. And you could say that at 663 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 3: the fateful play and the bounce off Trey McBride's helmet 664 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 3: the key to that play, as you said, Rams brought 665 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 3: seven and sped up Kyler Murray and did the Cardinals 666 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,760 Speaker 3: speed up Matthew Stafford enough to win that game? Ultimately 667 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,760 Speaker 3: the scoreboard says you didn't. You didn't have any sacks 668 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 3: in the game. And so those are a couple of 669 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 3: areas as you go into this offseason, I'm sure the 670 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,720 Speaker 3: Cardinals are making their list and checking it twice. 671 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 1: Not only only not only no sacks, but just two 672 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,720 Speaker 1: quarterback hits and looking at next gen stats, stafford average 673 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 1: time to throw almost three seconds, and that's doesn't sound 674 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: like a lot, but that's too long. You need to 675 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: get that to like two four, two five. And that's 676 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,399 Speaker 1: really where you're speeding things up. And it's the dink 677 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: and the doink, or you're forcing to throw an errant throw. 678 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: Now all of a sudden, you got an opportunity at 679 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: a takeaway. 680 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 3: And here's the thing against the Rams when they're healthy, 681 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 3: they have Cooper Cup, Puka Nakua, Tyler Higbee who had 682 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 3: caught a game when he touched on past the week before, 683 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,359 Speaker 3: and Kyen Williams. And if you look at the way 684 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 3: the Cardinals, this is just my own observation, look at 685 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,879 Speaker 3: the way the Cardinals have stifled Kien Williams this year 686 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,720 Speaker 3: versus last year. The key has been Mac Wilson Senior. 687 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 3: He's almost been like a running back spy against Kyen 688 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 3: Williams and a lot of the key rundowns. And so 689 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 3: you can't bring extra defenders to rush. It's very hard 690 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,359 Speaker 3: to rush five or six or seven when you have 691 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 3: to account for Cooper Cup, Pooka Nikoua, Tyler Higbee and 692 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 3: Kyen Williams. And that's why it's so vital that Cardinals 693 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 3: get one of those guys off the edge. You can 694 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 3: win those one on ones or command a double team 695 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 3: that then frees up guys elsewhere. 696 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: It's also hard to stop everyone. And again, if you 697 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,839 Speaker 1: do what you did on Saturday night, more times than 698 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: not you are going to come out on the winning 699 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 1: side of things because only one player offensively beat you, 700 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: and that would be Pookin Aka. Other than that, no 701 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: one else had a game. But to your point, when 702 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 1: you have those off defensive performances where okay, maybe a 703 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,800 Speaker 1: little need a little bit more from your defense, all right, 704 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: who is that? Is that a corner? Is that an 705 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,399 Speaker 1: edge rusher? Combination of both, perhaps free agency in the draft. Again, 706 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a long offseason to talk about all 707 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 1: of that, but again, it does magnify where the deficiencies are, 708 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: at least defensively at a couple of different positions. 709 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 3: And it's been a it's been a dramatic roster reset. 710 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,399 Speaker 3: The number is five, the number of players remaining from 711 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 3: the previous four draft classes before Mantiaci fourth, there's only 712 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 3: five players left, and really the premier ones, Kyler Trey McBride, 713 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 3: Zavin Collins, and then it's Victor d. Mucage, Jesse Luketta 714 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 3: off the top of my head. So it's been a 715 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,919 Speaker 3: radical and a thorough roster reset in a lot of ways. 716 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 3: And I would agree with you. You know, it's it's corner, 717 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 3: it's it's pass rush. But when in doubt, these decision 718 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 3: makers start with a line of scrimmage. So whether that's 719 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 3: another interior offensive lineman next year and or an interior 720 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 3: defensive lineman to go along with an edge guy and 721 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 3: a cover corner, I think that's all in play. 722 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a lot to discuss this offseason. By 723 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 1: the way, before we let you go, Paul, and you 724 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 1: can rest your voice after what you endured on Saturday night, 725 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,360 Speaker 1: we do need, for the second to last time this season, 726 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 1: the Angry Bird Award winner four week seventeen. 727 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna go with the guy who softened the 728 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 3: blow of missing James Connor, which has been a fateful 729 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 3: occurrence in times James Connor has misgains. But that wasn't 730 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 3: the case because Michael Carter stepped in and ran for 731 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 3: better than five yards of carry. Michael Carter stepped in 732 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 3: and stepped up. Michael Carter ran it between the tackles. 733 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 3: Michael Carter caught it when he needed to. He's a 734 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 3: receiving threat. He was in there picking up some of 735 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 3: the blitzes. He was reliable in pass protection, which he 736 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 3: told us a few days earlier on the Big Red 737 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 3: Rage that he thinks he's been mischaracterized because he's a 738 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,280 Speaker 3: smaller dude at five eight, one hundred and something pounds 739 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 3: that he can't pass protect. He takes issue and umbradge 740 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 3: with that. I thought he did, even though he wasn't 741 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 3: the third down back it was DJ Dallas, and most 742 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,760 Speaker 3: of the game, I thought Michael Carter was definitely helped 743 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 3: this team towards a win and really stepped up when 744 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 3: they need as essentially the fifth string running back coming 745 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 3: off the practice squad. And so for all that and more, 746 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 3: Michael Carter is your Angry Bird Award winner from Week seventeen. 747 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 1: On that final drive by the way runs of thirteen 748 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 1: to two and then six yards on third and one 749 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,799 Speaker 1: to set up first and goal from the five, and 750 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: unfortunately again it again came up. 751 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 3: Short, and he was ultramotivated, not only because he's getting 752 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 3: valuable reps and he's you know what I mean, and 753 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,879 Speaker 3: he's going to be a free agent. But he works 754 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 3: out with Kyen Williams in the offseason. They're buds, and 755 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 3: I saw him embrace before the game down on the field, 756 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:53,919 Speaker 3: So there was a little bit of something something going 757 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 3: on between the two of them. And guess what, Michael 758 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 3: Carter ended up with more rushing yards than Kyen Williams. 759 00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 1: By the way, if you missed the conversation on The 760 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,399 Speaker 1: Big Red Rage, I highly encourage you to go back 761 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,359 Speaker 1: and listen a fun conversation. Michael Carter is a good 762 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: dude and a fun listen to on The Big Red 763 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 1: Rage last week. So again maybe maybe again here on 764 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 1: the Big Red Rage perform well go that particular week. 765 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 3: Remember he was the jets leading rusher as a rookie, 766 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 3: as a Round four rookie, he led the Jets that 767 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 3: year in rushing. So he's been there and done that. 768 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 3: And he had a great quote on Aaron Rodgers. If 769 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 3: I don't screw screw it up here, he said, you 770 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:31,360 Speaker 3: know what he's he's misunderstood, but Aaron Rodgers is also 771 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,280 Speaker 3: hard to understand. That was his quote on Aaron Rodgers 772 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:40,840 Speaker 3: playing last season with you. He's misunderstood, but he's also 773 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,920 Speaker 3: hard to understand. And Wolf and I are both not 774 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,759 Speaker 3: have said, you know what, that's a great way in 775 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 3: one sentence of summing up Aaron Rodgers. 776 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: Good stuff, Paul, go get some tea, get some throat lozenges, 777 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 1: and rest up that voice, because again, you earned it. 778 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 3: Make it a double if we can't over here, make 779 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 3: it a double down here, Barkie. 780 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 1: On that note, we'll put a li it on this 781 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,240 Speaker 1: edition of Cardinals Cover two, presented by Hyundai, probably partner 782 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,799 Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our 783 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 1: executive producer Jim Amhundro, our associate producer Cody Fincher For 784 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 1: Paul Calvc, I'm Craig rial Lou. We'll talk to you 785 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,359 Speaker 1: next time here on Cardinals Cover two