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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hell that.

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Speaker 2: For me, I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 1: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 2: And them and Tie, welcome back to the soaliburba, boys

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Speaker 2: and girls. My name is Ty. He'll debrate that fine

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Speaker 2: gentleman over there as always the illustrious Dan Rubinstein and

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Speaker 2: springy in summer. Yeah, Chicago, Illinois, sir, Yeah, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I was awakened by a rainstorm and wind gusts and

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Speaker 1: would have hoped. I'm good, Tie, and I'm especially good

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Speaker 1: because we gave our subscribers at verballers dot com this

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Speaker 1: Google form to fill out based on their personal fandom

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Speaker 1: thinking about those heartbreaking moments and frustrating moments and exciting moments,

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Speaker 2: You look back and again we're talking celiverbal Era, so

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Speaker 2: everything since two thousand and eight. It's almost like digging

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Speaker 2: I can't remember myself in two thousand and eight, let

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Speaker 2: It was definitely a jogged down memory lane here, and

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Speaker 2: They're going to be joining next year. Of course, the

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Speaker 2: What is it going to be an eight game schedule?

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Speaker 2: It's probably going to be a nine game conference schedule.

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Speaker 1: We talked about college.

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Speaker 2: They haven't had.

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Speaker 1: They've had good quarterbacks, they haven't had that guy, right,

436
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Speaker 1: they haven't had a Trevor Lawrence or a Justin Herbert

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Speaker 1: or somebody who you can just look and say, okay,

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Speaker 1: ian Book won a lot of games.

439
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Speaker 2: Ian Books in the Record Brooks and record books. Ian

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Speaker 2: Book is not, you know, Trevor Lawrence. Ian Book is

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Speaker 2: not that transcendent quarterback that has taken Notre Dame to

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Speaker 2: the promise. Land took him to the playoffs. But that's

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Speaker 2: sort of the frustrating bit for me as a Notre

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Speaker 2: Dame fan, waiting for kind of that that new maybe

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Speaker 2: it's Sam Hartman this, I don't know sure, but waiting

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Speaker 2: for that the prince who is promised.

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Speaker 1: So as a Notre Dame fan, I think everybody can

448
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Speaker 1: relate to this question in some fashion. What hurts more?

449
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Speaker 1: And I have an answer for this as an organ fan.

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Speaker 1: What hurts more losing to a team that you're somewhat

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Speaker 1: competitive against and losing in close, maybe dumb fashion at

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Speaker 1: the end with a team that you had expectations for,

453
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Speaker 1: or going to the playoff and getting just demolished by Clemson.

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Speaker 1: You know, one of the like where you think in

455
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Speaker 1: the back of your head, like, I don't know if

456
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Speaker 1: we're winning this playoff game, but I think we belong here.

457
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Speaker 1: I think we can go toe to toe with them,

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Speaker 1: and then you lose thirty one to three or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Is what is the more? What takes a more pronounced

460
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Speaker 1: chunk out of your soul? Losing to a worse or

461
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Speaker 1: similar team in the regular season in a dumb way,

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Speaker 1: or being put in your place on a stage like that.

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Speaker 2: I still think it's the dumb loss. Okay, I still

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Speaker 2: think it's the dumb loss. Because in order to be

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Speaker 2: a consistent contender in college football, you have to get

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Speaker 2: to the point, to the to the Georgia point, to

467
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Speaker 2: the sun extent Ohio State point, to the Alabama point

468
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Speaker 2: where the level of consistency is so high week in

469
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Speaker 2: and week out, that there's just they're not going to

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Speaker 2: lose to those teams, right, and so you need to

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Speaker 2: get those out of your system. I think in current

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Speaker 2: day college football in order to really be considered a contender,

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Speaker 2: and losing those games is always going to be frustrating.

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Speaker 2: But it is I would say, a different level of heartbreak,

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Speaker 2: a different level of hopelessness, let's say, associated with losing

476
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Speaker 2: thirty one to three or whatever in a big playoff game,

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Speaker 2: because it's in those moments you see the delta between

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Speaker 2: your school and the school that's way up here. Part

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Speaker 2: of why I'm going to answer Clemson to one of

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Speaker 2: our one of our questions here coming up, because and

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Speaker 2: maybe I can save it for that, but that seeing

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Speaker 2: that delta up close and personal and seeing how wide

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Speaker 2: that talent gap is is very, very frustrating. And Lee's

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Speaker 2: one with a feeling of hopelessness that you know is

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Speaker 2: kind of in its own class altogether.

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Speaker 1: See, I don't I don't mind it as much. It

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Speaker 1: hurts that it's on a big stage. I've watched Oregon

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Speaker 1: lose demonstrably in the National Championship Game to Ohio State,

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Speaker 1: even though it was relatively close later than I actually

490
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Speaker 1: remembered it was. It was very clear with what Zeke

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Speaker 1: Elliott was doing to the Oregon defensive front of the

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Speaker 1: Ohio State offensive line, that that just Oregon was not

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Speaker 1: going to win that game. And you know, even going

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Speaker 1: back this past season org in Georgia, there's something about

495
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Speaker 1: it being so plain to see that it's so black

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Speaker 1: and white that you're just like, well, it's just not

497
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Speaker 1: going to happen on this field, on this day, anywhere

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Speaker 1: near where I'd like it to be. You lose to

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Speaker 1: a team that is not as talented, you lose to

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Speaker 1: a team that's relatively on the same level as your team,

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Speaker 1: and you lose in a dumb way, a winnable game,

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Speaker 1: it's so much more painful. It's so much more painful

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Speaker 1: because as an Oregon fan, as a Notre Dame fan,

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Speaker 1: you can say to yourself, we're probably never going to

505
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Speaker 1: come close to where Georgia or Clemson was, anyway Alabama

506
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Speaker 1: Ohio State where they are in terms of roster construction

507
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Speaker 1: and overall coaching staff. But if Notre Dame loses to

508
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Speaker 1: pit in the dumb way late, they give that game away.

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Speaker 1: If Oregon lose to Oregon State or Stanford. A bad

510
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Speaker 1: Stanford team like they did two years ago. You have

511
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Speaker 1: to sit with that for a year. You don't get another.

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Speaker 1: She's not an NBA schedule. It's not an NFL schedule

513
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Speaker 1: where a bunch of teams make the playoff. We'll getting

514
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Speaker 1: We're getting there. As a sport, you know where you

515
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,959
Speaker 1: get that second shot to be like that was a

516
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Speaker 1: fluke occurrence. You gotta sit in that failure jacuzzi for

517
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Speaker 1: a long time, and that feels terrible. All right, we

518
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Speaker 1: got to keep moving here because we've got a bunch

519
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Speaker 1: more we need to get to. But just okay, very quickly.

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Speaker 2: Some other responses that came in TCU fan feeling peachy

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Speaker 2: keen after this past year. Oh sure, never been so

522
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Speaker 2: thrilling game in and game out in my life as

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Speaker 2: a fan of the Frogs. We have another Wake Forest

524
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Speaker 2: fan who chimed in saying that they are happy, but

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Speaker 2: you have to be into moral victories, which I think

526
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Speaker 2: is a good approach. Rutgers fans saying can only go

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Speaker 2: up from here, so yes, I'm I'm.

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Speaker 1: Happy, good perspective.

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Speaker 2: We have a Georgia Tech fan saying, for the most part, yes,

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Speaker 2: I'm happy. Gives me a reason to bond with so

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Speaker 2: many college football fans as well. But the victories, though few,

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Speaker 2: are nice when they happen, and since the losses are

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Speaker 2: mostly expected, it evens out pretty well. That's a great perspective.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for responding, West Virginia. I've grown up and

535
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Speaker 2: allow my favorite teams to make me feel the positive emotions,

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Speaker 2: but limited limit the negative one negative ones. Excuse me,

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Speaker 2: except when we lost to Pitscrew that I get it.

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Speaker 2: I get it, and we've got an organ.

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Speaker 1: That's the sitting in the jacuzzi, right, that's the West

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Speaker 1: Virginia doesn't play pitt for an extended amount of time.

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Speaker 1: They finally get the shot, like there just and you

542
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Speaker 1: have to There's nothing you can do. You just have

543
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Speaker 1: to sit at it. You probably have a pit person

544
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: in your life and you're just like cool, great, awesome

545
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Speaker 1: every day. Uh what a feeling.

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Speaker 2: And finally an Oregon fan chimes in saying that now

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Speaker 2: now it makes them happy. During the Mario years, no,

548
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 2: I feel like I am a quote unquote healthy fan.

549
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 2: Wins and losses don't impact my day to day life.

550
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 2: I root, I cheer, and then I move on. But

551
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 2: Oregon was not fun or enjoyable with Mario there, regardless

552
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Speaker 2: of windsor losses. I was not an unhappy fan then,

553
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Speaker 2: but I was a fan who lacked enthusiasm. So thank

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Speaker 2: you very thoughtful response from our Oregon brethren here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I filled out my form as well for organ

556
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Speaker 1: We can get to that in a bit. A few

557
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Speaker 1: other like, uh, you know, legendary Alpha subscriber Catherine B.

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Speaker 1: Talked about her Clemson fandom and I know, I'm what,

559
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Speaker 1: did I just dox her fandom because we've been saying

560
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Speaker 1: just Arkansas fans saying this, Arkansas fans saying that. But

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Speaker 1: we actually got a few responses from LSU fans. She

562
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Speaker 1: was good that she.

563
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Speaker 2: Would never one of the questions called her Clemson fans,

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if that, oh.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, geez, LSU fan total flow.

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Speaker 2: Definitely an uninformed answer, Dan, come on, I.

567
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Speaker 1: Said Clemson out loud. LSU was in my brain. One

568
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Speaker 1: of the questions we asked was have you ever threatened

569
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Speaker 1: to or briefly renounced your fandom where He's just like,

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Speaker 1: I am done with Minnesota football. I'm done. That's it.

571
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Speaker 1: They've taken too much out of me. Or sometimes people

572
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Speaker 1: say I'm done rooting for this team as long as

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Speaker 1: SO and SO is the head coach. I've never gotten

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Speaker 1: that specifically close. I've said, in my mind, I need

575
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Speaker 1: to pull back a little bit as an Oregon fan, right,

576
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: got to get a little bit more moderation. But I

577
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Speaker 1: think her answer was absolutely not. And you have to

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Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing here, you have to to celebrate the chaotic

579
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Speaker 1: nature of being an LSU fan because you never know

580
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Speaker 1: where it's going to lead, you know, look at twenty

581
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Speaker 1: nineteen of course, so that's specific to LSU. I enjoyed

582
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Speaker 1: the favorite and least favorite players. Okay, let's talk about that.

583
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Speaker 2: So we asked. We asked people. Yeah again, this is

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Speaker 2: since two thousand and eight, when we started the podcast

585
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Speaker 2: August two thousand and eight. From that point forward to

586
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Speaker 2: present day, what have been your favorite players? Would have

587
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Speaker 2: been your least favorite players of your respective teams.

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Speaker 1: We got a Michigan response of which player from your

589
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Speaker 1: team's recent history is your favorite least favorite, a Michigan

590
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Speaker 1: response of Dinard Robinson, who I think I've underestimated the

591
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Speaker 1: folk hero ness.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, he's.

593
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Speaker 1: Incredible and it's one of those things where like he was,

594
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Speaker 1: you know, he carried that entire team because the defense

595
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: was so bad at the end of the Rich Rot era.

596
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Speaker 1: But Denard Robinson running that offense and just being a

597
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Speaker 1: threat in any given moment, Like, how can you not

598
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Speaker 1: love him if you're a Michigan super fan and listed

599
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Speaker 1: Wilton spaate here as the least favorite, Well, Spade era

600
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Speaker 1: wasn't great. Look, a lot of teams across this great

601
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Speaker 1: land would have loved to have had Wilton Spain. I

602
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Speaker 1: guess UCLA tried to be that team. He was beat

603
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Speaker 1: up and had a bad back. I just want to say,

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Speaker 1: just because this is a therapy episode, and I have

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Speaker 1: my own thoughts about Oregon backup quarterbacks who were just

606
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Speaker 1: not good enough, who were not a fun experience to watch.

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Speaker 1: It's not their faults, like well, it's one of those

608
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: like Goodwill hunting. It's not your fault. It's not your fault.

609
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Speaker 1: It's easy to say an underwhelming quarterback is your least

610
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Speaker 1: favorite player. I think what you can I think what

611
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: I would pivot to was like that was the least

612
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Speaker 1: fun experience when they were under center.

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Speaker 2: My answer is Tommy Reese. Okay, my answer is Tommy

614
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: reas and and to your point, and it's it's mostly

615
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Speaker 2: not through any fault of his own. Tommy Reese was

616
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Speaker 2: put into a situation where Notre Dame had to play him.

617
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Speaker 2: They didn't have other options.

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Speaker 1: Was an injured who was the quarterback of the future

619
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Speaker 1: of the president was Dane Christ Then, well there.

620
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Speaker 2: Was there was a whole moment in time with Dane

621
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Speaker 2: Chris and Everett Golsen getting right not being able to play,

622
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Speaker 2: and they were kind of thrust into this situation where

623
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Speaker 2: they had to play Tommy rees And so I was

624
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Speaker 2: not a fan. I didn't think Reese was a great quarterback.

625
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Speaker 2: He obviously was very loyal to Notre Dame. He obviously

626
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Speaker 2: cared a great deal about trying to win. He was

627
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Speaker 2: the son of a coach. They would say all the

628
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Speaker 2: way back then that he was destined to be a

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Speaker 2: coach someday, and he was like having the coach on

630
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Speaker 2: the field, so he knew what to do. But physically,

631
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Speaker 2: with his arm strength, with some other stuff he was

632
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Speaker 2: he was limited in terms of what he could give

633
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Speaker 2: Notre Dame. And I think the reason that this is

634
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Speaker 2: my answer, again, it's not his fault, but it was

635
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Speaker 2: as a fan of Fault. It was very frustrating as

636
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Speaker 2: a fan to feel like this is a position group

637
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Speaker 2: holding Notre Dame back and this is the best they

638
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 2: could do, and much the way I feel some Penn

639
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 2: State fans, myself included, have just gotten sick of seeing

640
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: Sean Clifford on the roster, want to move on, want

641
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 2: to want to see what somebody else can do. That

642
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Speaker 2: is very much how I felt about Tommy Reese when

643
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Speaker 2: he was the quarterback at Notre Dame. So Tommy rees

644
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Speaker 2: to me, jumped out right away as like the easy

645
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Speaker 2: answer for least favorite player. I hate framing it though

646
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Speaker 2: in terms of least favorite players, I don't know if

647
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Speaker 2: there are any specifics that you would like to call out.

648
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Speaker 2: I would like to shift to other folk heroes and

649
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Speaker 2: favorite players sure throughout the throughout the the Notre Dame

650
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Speaker 2: in Penn State rosters, throughout the Sliverrable era, if that's okay.

651
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I framed it as the Tyler shuck

652
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown, you know, Jeff Lockey just before that, the

653
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: backup quarterbacks, or the experience of watching a game in

654
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: which you knew a quarterback would likely fall apart in

655
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter or was take way too long to

656
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: process because they just they didn't meet the standard of

657
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: the rest of the roster, necessarily because they were back up,

658
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: because you know, they were a transfer that came in.

659
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: There was there's a string of centers that have been

660
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: very good for Oregon, but in that alamobile, specifically when

661
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: Oregon had trouble snapping the ball against TCU in that

662
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: second half after Vernon Adams got hurt in the first

663
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: half in Oregon, you know, it was the thirty one

664
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Speaker 1: point comeback, and not that TCU was starting there, their

665
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: starting quarterback talking about a Bram Kohlhausen I believe TCU experience,

666
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: so TCU was on a similar plane. But the inability

667
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: to snap a ball, I think it was Doug Brenner.

668
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure as a good guy. I don't have anything

669
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: personally against Doug Brenner. But the Doug Brenner Jeff Lockey exchange,

670
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: it was a meaningless alamobile in terms of high level stakes,

671
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: but that slow bleedout of a loss with a thirty

672
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: one point halftime lead and just the basic center to

673
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: quarterback exchange not being able to start a play that

674
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: was tough. And then the linebackers against Ohio State. That

675
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: was the Don Pelloma and it was the national championship game.

676
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: Oregon had a championship caliber when healthy anyway, roster not

677
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: as good as Ohio States roster, but Zeke Elliott just

678
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: sliced his way through the linebacking corps and that was

679
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: I want to say Derek Malone and Rodney Hardrick. That

680
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 1: was a tough duo in that matchup to root.

681
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 2: For all right, some names that came through for favorite

682
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: players in team's recent history. Yeah, Tim Tebow and Kyle

683
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 2: trask Man, ty Tao. We had Mike Evans, Trace McSorley,

684
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 2: Marcus Mariota, Dinard as you mentioned before, Khalil Pimpleton. How

685
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 2: about this guy from Central Michigan, Wow, Nick Chubb from

686
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 2: George just Sam Hartman had a couple of Sam Hartman's. Actually,

687
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: we've got Devin White from LSU, Genos Geno Smith from

688
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,479
Speaker 2: West Virginia, Desmond King the corner I believe from Iowa

689
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 2: who I bump into in an airport once, Tyron, Matthew,

690
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow, Clyde Edwards, Hilaire. Tough to go against those guys,

691
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 2: Man Damarius Thomas, ri Ip Yeah, that.

692
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: Was a great answer.

693
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 2: Someone says, Jalen Smith. Here on the Notre Dame side,

694
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 2: He's on my list. I love Jalen's Who is.

695
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: Your favorite Penn State and favorite Notre Dame player of

696
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: the soliverbal Era.

697
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean for me, it's it's obviously Saquon on

698
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: the Penn State side. Okay, that's an easy answer. On

699
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 2: the Notre Dame side, it's more complicated, right, A Notre

700
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: Dame side outside of Jalen. Jalen Smith was the first

701
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 2: one that came to mind for me. But I go

702
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 2: back to like Golden Tate and Michael Floyd, the aforementioned

703
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: Michael Floyd, big Bill Fuller, just because we had so

704
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 2: much fun with Will Fuller on this show. Another one

705
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 2: that that.

706
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Speaker 1: Jos out to me, who is the most dependably excellent

707
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 1: note name players since two thousand and eight? Because I mean,

708
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: that's ultimately what's going to make him your favorite, right

709
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: that you can always count on them showing.

710
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 2: Out and being a bright love Jalen Smith.

711
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith, Jalen Smith.

712
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 2: But I could you know I was big on the

713
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 2: league's I followed him at a high school. Sure, I

714
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 2: was big on Kyle Hamilton. I followed him on a high,

715
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: like so so many guys that I could list off here,

716
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 2: but if I'm picking one, it's probably Jalen Smith. Also

717
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 2: maybe my most heartbreaking moment as a Notre Dame fan.

718
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: I'm sure which we can. We could talk abo the

719
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen Fiesta Bowl against Ohio State, but so great

720
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: answers here from folks. Here's where I want to go

721
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 2: next with this though, because we did ask some deep

722
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 2: prodding questions.

723
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Speaker 1: Can I can I give my favorite Oregon player? Oh? Yeah,

724
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: so I thought you did a Rubenstein over here. I

725
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: thought you got easily easily Michael James. Yeah, who just

726
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: inducted into the Hall of Fame. Michael James. Both from

727
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 1: a narrative perspective, almost left after his red shirt ear

728
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: Lagarrett Blunt gets suspended indefinitely after the Boise State punt.

729
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: You're like, I hope we have somebody back there because

730
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: it was going to be Leagarrett Blunt's back field all

731
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: the season long. And the Michael James came in and

732
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: I think his first game starting was against Utah and

733
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: ran for like one hundred and fifty three yards or something,

734
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: and he was so automatic that if he got a crease,

735
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: he was gone. That I remember specifically, just as soon

736
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: as I saw a little bit of oxygen, just slumping

737
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: back in my chair, saying, house gone, so gone. And

738
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: so he was so good for the three years he

739
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,479
Speaker 1: started and played for Oregon that it coincided, of course

740
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: with the Chip Kelly era. But he was so fun

741
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: and I think at one point he like dislocated his

742
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: elbow in the middle of a game and went to

743
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: the tunnel popped it back in. Don't recommend anybody doing that.

744
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: Don't get back into the game. And so in terms

745
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: of the term folk hero, I don't know how you

746
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: put anybody of the past, you know, a dozen years

747
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: or whatever of Oregon football over the Michael James.

748
00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 2: Just the guys, all right, good good answers from the

749
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: verbaler hood on this one, I want to talk about

750
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 2: highest and lowest moments as being a fan of a team. Yeah,

751
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 2: because you get some really interesting answers when you ask

752
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 2: what is your peak moment as a fan and what

753
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 2: is your lowest moment as a fan? We also asked

754
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 2: what is your most heartbreaking moment as a fan, which

755
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 2: sort of goes hand in hand with lowest moments, but

756
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 2: a bit of a difference there. I will start with

757
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: my highest and lowest moments as a Notre Dame fan.

758
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 2: My highest moment definitely was the twenty fifteen season opener.

759
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 2: This was the start of the ZI era. They drilled

760
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 2: Texas thirty eight to three. You remember that game.

761
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: I do remember that Tyroln swoops.

762
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: They drilled Texas and that was seemingly the start of

763
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 2: an incredible season for Notre Dame. It wasn't incredible season,

764
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 2: but just didn't turn out the way we expected after

765
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 2: that first game because what happened the very next Gamelike

766
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 2: Zeiger hurt. Notre Dame was on the prespice of losing

767
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 2: on the road to Uva and the Shawn Kaisa they

768
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: bringing to Shawn Kaiser. They win very late in that game,

769
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 2: a heroic game, and they go on to do great things.

770
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 2: There was another moment in I should have wrote this

771
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 2: down twenty twelve, twenty eleven ish, when they knocked off

772
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 2: Oklahoma in Norman handily.

773
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember that and that was.

774
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 2: I remember watching that game with with Mama h and

775
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: I was like, oh baby, this team, this team has

776
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 2: what it takes. It and it went to the national

777
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: championship that year, and that was the game that I

778
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: fell asleep. Not my lowest moment as a Notre Dame fan,

779
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: but that was a peak moment for me on the

780
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 2: Pan way.

781
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: By the way, Malik Zayir nineteen of twenty two for

782
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 1: three thirteen, three touchdowns, no interception, four point two yards

783
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: per attempt to open the season at home, just destroying

784
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: that year's Texas defense. If you were not, for lack

785
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: of a better term, intellectually and emotionally rock hard after

786
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: watching that performance, what are you even doing?

787
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: That was one of those where it's like a big win.

788
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 2: I couldn't sleep afterwards. Was I consumed all the content like.

789
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: Is it the statue going to be platinum gold? Of

790
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: my League's I hear outside of the stadium.

791
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, not just because we were doing this show,

792
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: but I was up all night very excited about that game.

793
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 2: That win. On the Penn State side, it's a twenty

794
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 2: sixteen Big Ten championship. That's the game where they played Wisconsint.

795
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: They were down twenty one oh right late in the

796
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 2: second quarter and then came back to win. I watched

797
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 2: that game in a friend's apartment, and we pissed off.

798
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 2: The neighbor from upstairs came down twice and was knocking

799
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 2: on the floor to try and get us to shut

800
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: up because we were yelling so loud and they had

801
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 2: small children and they were trying to the kids to bed.

802
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 2: We were just screaming our faces off at the TV.

803
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: And do you remember do you remember the very specific

804
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 1: strategy employed by Joe Moorehead and Trace McSorley to come

805
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,280
Speaker 1: back and win that game? What was? Do you remember

806
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: what we called it? Uh?

807
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 2: I don't know if I do f it?

808
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: Go deep? Oh that's your fit, said blacknolled Dayshawn Hamilton

809
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: to a lesser extent MIKEASICKI I I pulled up the

810
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: box square. I did not remember all of that numbers.

811
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 2: Back there's name.

812
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: Uh. Saquon didn't do much in that game. He was

813
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 1: fine nineteen carries for eighty three, but Trace McSorley threw

814
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: for nearly four hundred yards twelve yards per attempt, four

815
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: touchdowns and realized we might be able to pick on

816
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: his Wisconsin secondary.

817
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 2: A little bit about how about you?

818
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: O deep?

819
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: Was your highest moment as an organ fan?

820
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: What did I list here? Let me pull up my

821
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 1: because there's been a lot of a lot of good ones. Okay,

822
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: my high moment was okay, specifically it was yes, but

823
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: but buh high moments you have watching Oregon runover Florida,

824
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: Watching Oregon run over Florida State, specifically the Jamis fumble,

825
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: you know, as he slips and fumbles it and Tony

826
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: Washington scoops it up. That was just a it was

827
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: a cherry on top of the victory Sunday that was there.

828
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: I mean, Ohio State in the shoe. Vernon Adams shredding

829
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 1: USC is an underrated peak moment of the past fifteen years.

830
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: I was in the stadium for Wisconsin. Not to pick

831
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: on Wisconsin with both of our peak moments here, but

832
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: that was you know, the d Anthony Thomas long run.

833
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: Michael James Melgor was in that game, believe Oh no,

834
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: that was monte ball, I want to say. And it

835
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 1: was just in the Rose Bowl. A great game. Oregon

836
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: wins it with a ton of speed. That was the

837
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: game that they debuted the chrome helmets. You remember that

838
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: subsequently had become a thing in the sport. And if

839
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: it's a non just championship or huge stage moment, and

840
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: I think this was the two thousand and eight season.

841
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Massoli in the Holiday Bowl. I was in the

842
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: stadium standing next to West Coast Kevin absolutely demolishing the

843
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 1: lineage of a safety in the open field, completely trucks

844
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: a safety and you hear it from the crowd. You

845
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: hear that kind of smack from the crowd. But you

846
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 1: have like five nine and a half Jeremiah Masoli built

847
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: like a refrigerator trucking that Oklahoma State safety. That was

848
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: That was pure college football bliss in nirvana. So that

849
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: is the micro moment for me as a peak Oregon fan.

850
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 2: We got some really interesting answers here. Okay, Georgia Tech

851
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: fan the twenty fourteen season by far Harrison Butker remember

852
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 2: that name.

853
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: Of course, kicksay fifty.

854
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 2: Three yard field goal to force overtime against Georgia and

855
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 2: we win in Athens. Respond it was at the game,

856
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 2: and then they went on to beat the previously number

857
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: one ranked Mississippi State Bulldogs in the Orange Bowl. Finished

858
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 2: eleven and three. I was a big year for George Techer.

859
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 2: I remember talking about that. In the moment, we have

860
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 2: the Rutgers fans saying good thing two thousand and eight

861
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 2: is included when we beat number four Wolville at home. Indeed,

862
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 2: Wake Forest saying can I answer the two thousand and

863
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 2: seven Orange Bowl and watching Wake shut down Bobby Bowden

864
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 2: at home thirty to nil in nineteen ninety six may

865
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 2: a little bit outside our purview here, but we will

866
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 2: accept it. Arkansas fan, the Joe Adams punt return versus Tennessee.

867
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: We beat them so badly. They never ever played Rocky Top.

868
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 2: The punt return was a glorious cherry on top? What

869
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 2: else we got here? Very quickly? An Iowa State fan

870
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 2: saying Iowa State over Oklahoma State in twenty thirteen and

871
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen to destroy can you not destroy the BCS?

872
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 2: And of course the twenty twenty one win over Oregon

873
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 2: in the Fiesta Bowl. I got to mention that.

874
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: Of course that's huge, Dan, What was your lowest moment

875
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: as an Oregon fan? Did I list here?

876
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 2: I've got it in front of me.

877
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,959
Speaker 1: I think the twenty fifteen Wazoo game.

878
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 2: Losing to Wazoo in twenty fifteen in overtime and losing

879
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 2: to TCU in the Alama Bow to close the year. Yeah,

880
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 2: that's tough Royce Freeman had like nine yards per carry,

881
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 2: but Jeff Lockey couldn't complete a pass.

882
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was Oregon. It's one of I watched that

883
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: game on a laptop in a courtyard by Marriott in

884
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 1: beautiful Dallas, Texas, or maybe on the outskirts of Dallas,

885
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: Texas had a sad outback steakhouse meal shortly thereafter. I

886
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: just there was something about closing the laptop when it

887
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: became official, losing in overtime, where anytime Royce Freeman touched

888
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: the ball it really was a first down.

889
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: He was so good. He was so good college.

890
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: And because I want to say it was Vernon Adams here,

891
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: Vernon Adams was injured, they go to Jeff lockeye and

892
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: it was just I don't know if I think it

893
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: was rainy, which doesn't help things throwing the ball down field,

894
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: but there was like, imagine the worst possible outcome of

895
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: you throwing a slippery football in front of sixty two

896
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: thousand people or something going, you know, having the ball

897
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: go straight up or directly to the side, or it

898
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: was just It's one of those games, and we all

899
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 1: have them as college football fans. When there's a quarterback

900
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: in where you're just like nothing personal, you just you

901
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: don't meet the standard of the rest of the team,

902
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: and a three hour game lasts eight and a half

903
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: right where you're just like, can this game please end

904
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: for the sake of all of us involved? And good

905
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 1: for Wazoo. That was a Mike Leech Wazoo team. Good

906
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: for you know, the Koug's going to Outston Stadium and

907
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 1: coming up with a win. I'm sure that was a

908
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 1: huge moment for Washington State fans. But man, that like

909
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: it is like an all time like there have only

910
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: been five times or something where a running back has

911
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 1: rushed for at least like two hundred and seventy yards

912
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: and lost or had nine yards per carry and lost,

913
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 1: and that was one of those games.

914
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 2: What I find interesting about the way that people answered

915
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 2: this question. Yeah, we asked people what is your lowest

916
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,919
Speaker 2: moment once your most heartbreaking moment. In pretty much every

917
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 2: case we had different answers. The lowest moment is not

918
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 2: necessarily the most heartbreaking. We talked about heartbreaking, We're talking

919
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 2: about that stomach punch. Yeah, that stomach punch moment that

920
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 2: really hung with you. In pretty much all cases, we

921
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: see a lot of people remembering exactly where they were.

922
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 2: So maybe it was this scond, the hotel room rush

923
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 2: of adrenaline.

924
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: You know how it is these moments in each of

925
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: our lives, these traumatic experiences where you remember down to

926
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: the second what you were doing. We tend to see

927
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: a lot of that in many of the answers we

928
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: got here. I talked about what I believe.

929
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 2: Is my lowest moment as a Notre Dame fan on

930
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 2: our previous episode, but that was outside of the time

931
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 2: horizon that you listed here since two thousand and eight,

932
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 2: So mine was two thousand and four, spiking my phone

933
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 2: on the crowded barroom floors as Notre Dame loses to

934
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 2: BYU to open up its season. My lowest moment since

935
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight probably when Notre Dame lost to

936
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 2: Michigan in two thousand and nine, through the middle TATEE

937
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 2: FOURCA game. To your point of remembering where you were.

938
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 2: I went up to Penn State again early in the season.

939
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 2: Penn State played Syracuse that week, beat Syracuse easily, and

940
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: I was at the time staying with the staying with

941
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,879
Speaker 2: a friend. His parents had a place up there. There's

942
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,720
Speaker 2: a bunch of guys we were all kind of crashing

943
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 2: on like the basement for one of those deals. We

944
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 2: came back from the early kick to watch Notre Dame

945
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 2: lose that game. They were all rooting against Notre Dame.

946
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if I made that clear of my

947
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 2: previous episode, but most of my friends are rooting staunchly

948
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 2: against Notre Dame. So I'm always kind of on the

949
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 2: receiving end of those jokes and the text threads and whatnot,

950
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 2: you know how it works. We stayed at my friend's

951
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 2: family's place. I remember distinctly watching the end of that

952
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 2: game in their living room. I'm on all fours in

953
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 2: front of the TV, watching anxiously, and when they lost,

954
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 2: I'm pounding on the floor, pounding on that. I wasn't

955
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 2: even that was not intoxicat Yeah, it was a why

956
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 2: I'm pounding on the floor. And there was a very

957
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 2: distinct moment where I looked up for my little tantrum

958
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 2: and saw the step mother of my friend with this

959
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 2: look on her face, like why is this guy at

960
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 2: my house?

961
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: Yeah?

962
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 2: Of course that was a low moment for me, I think.

963
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: And we got this response from a number of Notre

964
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: Dame fans, not necessarily that game or that moment or anything.

965
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: But in terms of Notre Dame fandom, it seems like

966
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: the great unplayed rivalry in the sport for no other

967
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: reason because Notre Dame is an independent team. Technically speaking,

968
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: is Notre Dame Michigan Michigan? Yeah that Notre Dame like

969
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 1: Michigan two Notre Dame fans. Beating Michigan is a gives

970
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: Notre Dame fans which you can't paint an entire fan

971
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: base with one brush, but it seems to be a

972
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: more pronounced bit of joy than beating you. Like I

973
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: think if Notre Dame fans, if you gave them a vote,

974
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: and like, who would you rather beat by three touchdowns

975
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: every year? USC or Michigan Because of the proximity, Because

976
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of people who went to Notre

977
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: Dame applied to Michigan and vice versa. I'm sure a

978
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: lot of people who work in offices throughout the greater

979
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 1: Midwest area have Notre Dame people and have Michigan people

980
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: in it. It's a more real, visceral thing from the outside.

981
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: I'm on the outside of this. I'm married to a

982
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: Michigan person. I work with a Notre Dame fan, But

983
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: to me, Michigan Notre Dame is the great. Why aren't

984
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: they playing every year? What is the reason? And I

985
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: understand Michigan scheduling Notre Dame kind of goes against the

986
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: ethos of the Jim Harbaugh scheduling experience, but it's insane.

987
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: This is something that we should have every year. Notre

988
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,240
Speaker 1: Dame Michigan, no brainer. Yeah, yeah, And would you agree

989
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 1: with that that? Like if you asked Notre Dame people,

990
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,280
Speaker 1: they'd much rather beat the brains out of Michigan than USC.

991
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. We had some people on the Notre Dame side

992
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 2: respond with the National Championship game against Alabama, but we

993
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 2: also had a bunch of other Notre Dame people respond

994
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 2: with Michigan stuff, not just the two thousand and nine

995
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 2: but I think there's a twenty eleven game against Michigan

996
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 2: that somebody sent in, so that there are there are

997
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 2: moments here I think overwhelmingly on the Michigan side against

998
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 2: Notre Dame. Then I haven't seen one against USC, not

999
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: in heartbreaking, not in not in lowest moment either, So

1000
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 2: there's definitely some merit to that.

1001
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: Well, the Bush push happened before the saliverbal.

1002
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 2: Bush push was two thousand and five. That was a

1003
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 2: summing punch. I was there, believe me.

1004
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 1: Yep.

1005
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 2: Some interesting answers. We have Iowa losing to Tennessee and

1006
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 2: the Music City Bowl low moment okay, Michigan, Michigan fan

1007
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 2: rights in the twenty fourteen season anything Dave Brandon related,

1008
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, talk about a bygone era. We have

1009
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 2: a Florida fan writing in two thousand and seventeen loss

1010
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 2: to Georgia. We lost forty two to seven, and it

1011
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 2: was a real It was the realization that in year

1012
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 2: two Kirby was turning them into a Bama like monster

1013
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,280
Speaker 2: and that they were justified in firing Mark Rict.

1014
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:13,919
Speaker 1: Right.

1015
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 2: Interesting okay, an A and m fan says probably this year.

1016
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there's a difference. The difference between low moment

1017
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: and heartbreaking is heartbreaking involves hope. Low is just the

1018
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: complete devoid, the complete void, and a moment where nothing

1019
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: exists in the way of positivity and hope. We were like, man,

1020
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: this is rock friggin bottom, And so do you want

1021
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: to get into what people don't understand about.

1022
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 2: I do out, I do want to draw a distinction

1023
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 2: very quickly day before we do, I want to talk

1024
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 2: about heartbreaking moments. Yes, heartbreaking moments, very very specific so

1025
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 2: for me. For me, there are two things I mentioned

1026
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 2: the Jalen Smith Fiesta bo the injury. Right, injuries are

1027
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 2: heart breaking and they turn your stomach. And especially in

1028
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 2: the case of Jalen Smith, where this guy's going to

1029
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 2: be a first round pick at the time, I think

1030
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 2: he was rumored to be a top five selection, maybe

1031
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 2: number two overall. Goes into the Fiesta Bowl, decides he's

1032
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 2: going to play. It was questionable that he should play,

1033
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 2: but he decided he was going to. Ends up tearing

1034
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 2: up his knee against Ohio State and that was hard.

1035
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 2: While he went on, he was able to play in

1036
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 2: the league and all that, but had lost the step

1037
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 2: and obviously a little bit of the luster that he

1038
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 2: had going into that to that draft cycle. Beyond that, though,

1039
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 2: the Monsoon Game for me, yeah, bring your own guts

1040
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 2: the Monsoon game. This was the og Monsoon game, at

1041
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 2: least with respect to our show. Yeah, this is twenty fifteen.

1042
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 2: Notre Dame loses by two to Clemson. They played that

1043
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 2: game in a tropical storm.

1044
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: That's Deshan Kaiser to Sean Kaiser.

1045
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, a friend of mine had a wedding that day,

1046
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 2: and I watched the second half of that game from

1047
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 2: our hotel room. And it was one of those deals

1048
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 2: where I think it was between the wedding ceremony and

1049
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 2: the reception where we had time to kill. We invited

1050
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 2: people back to our hotel room, so there are a

1051
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 2: bunch of couples there. I had had booze. Everyone's drinking,

1052
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 2: enjoying themselves. I've got the game on team. I'm laser

1053
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 2: focused on this game, not drinking a drop. I am

1054
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 2: laser focused on this Clemson Notre Dame game. Obviously they lost,

1055
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 2: they lost, but notably, this is like four months after

1056
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 2: we got married. And I've made the joke before that.

1057
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 2: If I hadn't been married before that, before that game,

1058
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 2: before that experience, not only would solid wife Kate not

1059
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 2: have married me, but certainly nobody else in that room

1060
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 2: would have.

1061
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was a basket case after that game, and

1062
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: I was crestfallen, and all the good vibes of being

1063
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: around people who were exuberant and excited and celebrating matrimony,

1064
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: I wanted no part of it.

1065
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,879
Speaker 2: The rest of that night, I was inconsolable after that.

1066
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, that's one of those things when

1067
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: you watch a game with outsiders right or in the

1068
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: proximity of outside.

1069
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 2: They don't get it, they don't they don't get it.

1070
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 1: Do you have any bit of the talent needed to

1071
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: shut off how inconsolable and to shut off your heartbreak? Like,

1072
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 1: because if you're at a wedding, there's a lot of

1073
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: small talk involved. You're at a table with other people,

1074
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: You're you're paying attention, you know, allegedly to toasts and

1075
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Can you can you partition? Can you

1076
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 1: compartmentalize and be like great to see you too, But

1077
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: on the inside you are just a dumpster of emotion?

1078
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: Can you can you fight through at all too? I

1079
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: probably arguably cannot.

1080
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 2: I'm a real tough dent to an extent, But you know,

1081
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 2: there there is a level of small talk that you

1082
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 2: just you get to that point it's like all right, dude,

1083
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 2: like I've had enough of this, Like welp, see you later.

1084
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: And somebody, somebody probably walked away from that wedding saying, man,

1085
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: Kate's husband's kind of a prick.

1086
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, absolutely, absolutely, absolutely, yeah, it was it was

1087
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 2: and you just have.

1088
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: To make peace with that. That's part of being a

1089
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 1: college football fan.

1090
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 2: Not the best version of myself, not the best version

1091
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 2: of myself.

1092
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: But if you've if you've never been around people and

1093
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 1: had somebody experience a heartbreaking or somebody experience being near

1094
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: you during a heartbreaking loss, and somebody that group not saying, man,

1095
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: he's just I don't know, it seems like you got

1096
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 1: kind of a screw loose. They're not real college football fan. Sorry, sorry,

1097
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: you're There.

1098
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 2: Is nothing worse than being the person in the room

1099
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 2: that reacts to something in a way that makes the

1100
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 2: whole room go silent.

1101
00:56:55,480 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, you probably, but I think were thought that

1102
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 1: you were going through labor paints just a lot of

1103
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: a lot of that. I've been there. I don't think

1104
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 1: I've had to watch I'd have to like think about it.

1105
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,760
Speaker 1: I don't think I've had to watch a big Oregon

1106
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: game at a wedding because I've worked in this industry

1107
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: full time longer than you have, to the point where

1108
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: I've been able to tell whether it's Jody or whoever,

1109
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: that like this is work. Saturday is a work day

1110
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: where this is more recent for you, where Saturdays are

1111
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: a full time work day. It's I've had good experiences

1112
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: at weddings because I just watched other crazy games and

1113
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: I didn't have the emotional tie where like I remember

1114
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: I was at a wedding when I think Boston College upset,

1115
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: they ran straight through USC. I want to say, twenty fourteen,

1116
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: I was like, cool, right, this is wild to watch

1117
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: on my phone. I think I watched was it Michigan

1118
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: State who pulled the fake field goal against Notre Dame? Yes,

1119
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 1: I want to say that, yeah, yeah, I don't know.

1120
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: It's twenty ten, two thousand and nine, somewhere in that range.

1121
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: I watch that from a wedding. There have been those moments.

1122
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: I don't think I've been around people when Oregon has

1123
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: lost a terrible game and they've thought to themselves, oh, dance.

1124
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: Kind of a brick about how to handle football fandom

1125
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: the worst in many respects, the worst place to be

1126
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: when your team suffers heartbreak is at a wedding, because

1127
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: there is so much small talk and so much manufactured

1128
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: joy and excitement and happiness, and you just don't want

1129
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: to deal with it in that moment. You see, I

1130
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: might argue, I might argue i'd almost.

1131
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 2: Rather be around a troll who is making fun of

1132
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 2: my team than around people who don't care as much

1133
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 2: as I do.

1134
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. I haven't had that experience where things have gotten

1135
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: sort of combative with an opposing fan, but I have

1136
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: been over to people's houses where they'll be like, oh, hey, totally,

1137
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: you can watch the organ game here. Yeah, well, you

1138
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: have no idea, you have no idea. The problem with

1139
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: that is, see, I think that that's worse than the

1140
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: wedding because the wedding you just put your phone away,

1141
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: you get on the dance floor and you stew and whatever.

1142
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: Because there's loud music. It's not about you. It's a

1143
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: much bigger crowd, so you can sort of get lost

1144
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: in the day. The problem is when you're over somewhere

1145
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 1: and there's eleven people and you're over in the corner,

1146
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: and you have to be mannerly, yeah, faking the manners,

1147
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: and then so you're just over there, isolated while people

1148
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: are like so that's dan. I Yeah, that's tough because

1149
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: then you have to come back to the rest of

1150
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: the people and they're like, sorry, Oregon lost.

1151
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, they didn't just lose.

1152
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: Let me tell you about what happened. That's tough. That's

1153
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: a tough way to live your life.

1154
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 2: I have on the Penn States, so I'm their rifle

1155
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 2: through these very quickly. Okay, place more that we want

1156
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 2: to get to, obviously here on the Penn States side.

1157
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 2: For as much as I was not a Sean Clifford fan,

1158
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 2: Sewn Clifford getting hurt against Iowa. Yeah, and then the

1159
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 2: season sort of unraveling in twenty twenty one the way

1160
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:12,919
Speaker 2: that it did for Penn State. Yeah, that was rough.

1161
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 2: They would have won that game against Diaowa. They would

1162
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 2: have killed him, but he got hurt and obviously they

1163
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 2: didn't have quarterback depth behind him, and it came off

1164
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 2: the swivel from that point forward. Some interesting answers that

1165
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 2: have come in via the ballerhood again at forballers dot com.

1166
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 2: Please we have a Rutgers fan. Losing to Michigan in

1167
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 2: three overtimes in twenty twenty was rough. Yeah, that was rough.

1168
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:41,479
Speaker 2: We have a we have a LSU fan twenty twelve

1169
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 2: against Alabama. I have never experienced a silent, a silence

1170
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 2: so profound in Tiger Stadium.

1171
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: I rewatched the end of this game. Do you remember

1172
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: the reference? This is TJ Yelden swing pass. LSU's up

1173
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: with I think they're up six with a minute left,

1174
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: and it's TJ Yelden through the heart of LSU, and

1175
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 1: it's just, oh, buddy, it was a great play. It

1176
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: was not a high risk play. No, and yeah that

1177
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: was a silencer. I remember that. And it's just like, oh,

1178
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: Tiger Stadium is four decibels right now worth of noise. Yeah.

1179
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: We have a A and M fan LSU in twenty fifteen.

1180
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 1: A and M is driving to win. LSU clearly jumps

1181
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: off sides, so Kyla Allen throws it up.

1182
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 2: It's intercepted. Yeah, but no off sides is called game over. Yeah,

1183
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 2: that was a tough one. I remember that one. We

1184
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 2: have a Florida fan a two thousand and nine SEC

1185
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 2: Championship game lost to Alabama. And in twenty twenty the

1186
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 2: LSU game where Marco Wilson threw his shoe.

1187
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: Well yeah, well I think O nine was t Bow

1188
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: crying on the sideline.

1189
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 2: I believe I just assume he's always crying. Yeah, Yah,

1190
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 2: we have one here, Michael Dyer not actually being down.

1191
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 1: It's not from you, but no, not for me.

1192
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,919
Speaker 2: Yours was watching Oregon lose to Auburn in the National

1193
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 2: championhip game, which is related closely.

1194
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 1: So that was that was only because of my proximity

1195
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: to Michael Dyer not being down which was yards away

1196
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: with you on the sideline and you know, having the

1197
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: orange and blue confetti stick to the back of my

1198
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: sweaty neck. As you know. What I remember about you

1199
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: in that moment, I remember, well, so I've seen you

1200
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: now in the aftermath of two losses. Yeah, two national champions,

1201
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 1: two National champion losses, the one I wasn't with you.

1202
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 2: I think you went. Did you go to the Get

1203
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 2: That game with Spencer?

1204
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 1: I did. I went to that. I went to Ohio State,

1205
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 1: Oregon in Jerry World with Spencer Hall.

1206
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, you went with Spencer, and I was there when

1207
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 2: you got back and you had no voice. We recorded

1208
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 2: a show with a bunch of people at a pool

1209
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 2: table on a pool table, yeah, pool table in that

1210
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 2: house that that you guys are rented out. So that

1211
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 2: was fun at least, and you were definitely in a

1212
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 2: weird place. But what I remember about the Auburn game

1213
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 2: is that in the last what five minutes too, I

1214
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 2: don't I guess last five minutes is when they let

1215
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 2: the press down on the field, and you were so

1216
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 2: in a trance because that was a close game.

1217
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 1: Oregon had just they were down for most of that game,

1218
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 1: and they came back, they were down from jobs stopping

1219
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: Cam Newton, and they went back to their old offense.

1220
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: They'd like tried new stuff with a bunch of guys

1221
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 1: in the backfield in the first half. They go back

1222
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: to the old offense, and Darren Thomas started treading them.

1223
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were in a trance and you were so

1224
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 2: fixated on the game that I think you were unaware

1225
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 2: of the surroundings. You were unaware of like the time

1226
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 2: and the clock, unaware that we could go down in

1227
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 2: the field for what it was worth. This is my

1228
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 2: first experience at a national championship, so I had no

1229
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 2: idea what I was doing either. But you were just

1230
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 2: out of it. Yeah, it was like you had been

1231
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 2: hit with a stun grenade.

1232
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 1: We watched a good chunk of that game on like

1233
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 1: a seventy five inch TV in three D.

1234
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right next to the guys the Fiesta

1235
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 2: bowljackets on.

1236
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 1: Next to the Fiesta Bowl guys. And I want to say,

1237
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: Michael Wilbon.

1238
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 2: Willbond was there to I remember that, yeah, But my

1239
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 2: lasting memory from that moment was me kind of shepherding

1240
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 2: you into the elevators, down onto the field, kind of

1241
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 2: walking you through. You had been through this process many

1242
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 2: times over. This is my first time doing it. But yeah,

1243
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 2: you were so out of it and so fixated on

1244
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 2: the game that I felt like I was like I

1245
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 2: was an elder statesman leading you to shelter. Well, you

1246
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 2: are into the field.

1247
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 1: You were basically the one to say, like Oregon is

1248
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 1: in a position that there's a very good chance they're

1249
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 1: going to win the national championship, You're gonna want to

1250
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 1: be on the field for that. Yeah, I said, oh, yeah,

1251
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 1: I guess that makes sense.

1252
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 2: Let's call let's go yep yeap. So I remember that,

1253
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 2: and I remember you afterwards that that was tough.

1254
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 1: Man.

1255
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 2: I felt bad for you. I really did tough beat.

1256
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 2: What don't fans understand about your team? Maybe wool I

1257
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 2: like the Maszoo answer here. I don't know if you

1258
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 2: have that right in front of you, if you can

1259
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 2: pull up the Maszoo answer. It was something along the

1260
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 2: lines of a lot of SEC fans don't feel like

1261
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 2: we belong here, but news flash to basically everyone other

1262
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 2: than Florida and Georgia in the East. We've been in

1263
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 2: the championship game twice since you've been in this game,

1264
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 2: if at all, so news flash to Tennessee South Carolina.

1265
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 2: Goode from this good one here from an Auburn fan.

1266
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 2: What most fans don't understand about our team is that

1267
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 2: we really don't have insane expectations. We just want to

1268
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 2: not have losing seasons randomly anymore, and beat our rival

1269
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 2: on occasion. We're okay with a mind numbingly stupid loss

1270
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 2: here or there. The national title, even the SEC title

1271
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 2: aren't the requirements. Beat Alabama, beat Georgia once in a while,

1272
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 2: three to four years whatever. Don't have losing seasons, put

1273
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 2: big time effort into recruiting, and you'll be fine for

1274
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 2: seven to ten years. That's really interesting perspective.

1275
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 1: Did you see a Notre Dame fan answer this question

1276
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 1: with no matter how much you hate our program, we

1277
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 1: hate it more.

1278
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 2: We hate ourselves more than you hate us most.

1279
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: Of the time. Yeah, nice, I enjoyed that.

1280
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 2: My answer on the Notre Dame side would probably be

1281
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 2: it comes back a little bit to the independence thing

1282
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 2: that I've alluded too many times over on the show.

1283
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 2: But a lot of people hate Notre Dame because they

1284
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 2: think Notre Dame is holier than thou, they act holier

1285
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 2: than thou. Sure, and that's not not true in many cases.

1286
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 2: But I think a case where it's not true is

1287
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 2: with respect to independence. And people see Notre Dame on

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01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 2: TV on NBC, got your own network. You don't want

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Speaker 2: to join a conference, You're too good for it. I

1290
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 2: don't think it's that. I think that the independence thing

1291
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 2: is truly something woven into the culture of Notre Dame.

1292
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 2: It's something that the university, it's something that the fan base,

1293
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 2: it's something that everybody associated with the athletics program on

1294
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 2: the football side obviously is proud of. And that's why

1295
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 2: they have not joined a conference. Eventually, they're going to

1296
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 2: have to eventually, it's just like the money's gonna be

1297
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 2: too compelling. But I think the decision to go independence

1298
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 2: stay independent is very much something that they're proud of,

1299
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 2: and it is not because of certain not because of

1300
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 2: some moral high ground that they're trying.

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Speaker 1: I think the independence is just what is it, infinity stones,

1302
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 1: what is the marvel thing? Sure, I think it's a

1303
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 1: stone of why people hate Notre Dame. It's not there's

1304
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 1: a collection of oh, we are college football, we have

1305
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: touchdown Jesus. You know. We look at the you know,

1306
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 1: the black and white footage that airs before every Notre

1307
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: Dame game where it's the lore of Notre Dame, and

1308
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 1: then it's the idea of we have to talk about

1309
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 1: Notre Dame all season long and pretend like this is

1310
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: the year in which they're a contender, and then the

1311
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 1: same thing happens every year in the postseason when they

1312
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 1: play against another top team, when they get shellacked. And

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01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 1: so I think it's the independence thing is just you know,

1314
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 1: they have their own TV deal. I think there's just

1315
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 1: a collection of hateful Infinity stones.

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01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 2: Some other ones here so many good answers. I want

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01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 2: to try and read as many of these as we can.

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01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech fans, we are broke. We can't afford good

1319
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 2: coaches or facilities. Don't want to be back in the SEC.

1320
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 2: But we miss playing those teams. Sometimes A ton of

1321
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 2: our student population couldn't care less about football, and Atlanta

1322
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 2: barely knows we exist. A lot, really lot of fans.

1323
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:15,479
Speaker 2: What fans don't know from an LSU fan. LSU fans

1324
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:18,639
Speaker 2: barely understand LSU. I don't need anyone else to understand

1325
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 2: the joy. I hope they experience it, but I'm okay

1326
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 2: being chaotically inscrutable.

1327
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Speaker 1: Do you have an answer for Penn State? What people

1328
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 1: don't understand about Penn State? Yeah.

1329
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 2: What people don't understand about Penn State is how big

1330
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 2: the fan base is.

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Speaker 1: Ah. True.

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01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 2: It's very easy to sort of brush off Penn State

1333
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 2: as being some school for farmers in the middle of

1334
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 2: pennsyl Tucky. I've heard that one a lot, but it's

1335
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 2: Penn State's got the biggest alumni association of any college.

1336
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 2: It's huge. It is one of those teams that when

1337
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 2: they do the study, however they compile the study, they

1338
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 2: do it every year which schools have the biggest fan bases.

1339
01:08:56,320 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 2: Penn State's fourth, behind Ohio State, Notre Dame, and I

1340
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 2: believe Texas. They're ahead of everybody else, ahead of everybody else.

1341
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 2: There is not a major city in the country or

1342
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 2: maybe the world that you can't go to in front

1343
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 2: of Penn State bar watching watching a Penn State game.

1344
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 2: So people don't understand how big that fan base is.

1345
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 2: On the Penn State side. Interesting often, Yeah, how about Oregon?

1346
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 1: I mean, the obvious answer that every Oregon fan will

1347
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 1: tell you was that Oregon's more than Nike and uniforms

1348
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: and everything like that, and like you can't kick people's

1349
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:32,640
Speaker 1: asses just by wearing you know, well ventilated Neon uniforms.

1350
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 1: That they've had NFL offensive lines and you know Eric

1351
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: Armstead and DeForest Buckner and all sorts of NFL players

1352
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:42,599
Speaker 1: on defense and that I yelled at you. You, I mean,

1353
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 1: you did this just to you know, stay under my skin. Perennially,

1354
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 1: like that was never a finesse team. They were a

1355
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 1: team just demolishing people up front and running it down

1356
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 1: their throats. And you can't do that by just running reverses.

1357
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 2: Still unconven and still a little bit, but can tell

1358
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 2: how dare you continue?

1359
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 1: So that's it. That's it. That Like, certainly, Nike in

1360
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:09,759
Speaker 1: the uniforms thing is a brilliant way to brand yourself

1361
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 1: and draw attention from people all over the country. And

1362
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 1: it's the biggest athletic company in the world. And you know,

1363
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 1: to use an alumni and to have that alumni be

1364
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:20,639
Speaker 1: enthusiastic about your team and your program, it's something that

1365
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:23,799
Speaker 1: nobody else really can claim, I guess short of Maryland

1366
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 1: kind of, but they have hasn't really worked out for

1367
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 1: them in the same way. So yeah, I think it's

1368
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 1: an entry point into Oregon football, but I don't think

1369
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 1: it is Oregon football. Like fans all over the country

1370
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 1: or Oregon State fans, Washington fans, USC fans whatever, nice

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01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: to have, wouldn't trade it. You know, it's a nice thing.

1372
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Speaker 1: It's still very hard to recruit to Eugene, Oregon without

1373
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:47,639
Speaker 1: you know, somehow shining some sort of big light towards

1374
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 1: the Willamette Valley. But yeah, Oregon has won a lot

1375
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 1: of games, and it's not a uniform thing.

1376
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:55,639
Speaker 2: Iowa fan, I think a majority of the fan base

1377
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 2: is afraid of becoming a bottom dweller in the post

1378
01:10:59,360 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 2: ferens here.

1379
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 1: Hm hm, that's had six you know, the Hayden fryar

1380
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 1: like they've They've won a lot of games as a pro.

1381
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 2: That's interesting. That's a very very interesting response here. Let

1382
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:10,640
Speaker 2: me read one more of these and then we'll get

1383
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:11,599
Speaker 2: to our final question.

1384
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 1: Please.

1385
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 2: Okay, we've got a West Virginia fan saying the purgatory

1386
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 2: of being in the Big twelve. I love most of

1387
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 2: these fan bases, but the programs don't make me feel anything.

1388
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:26,600
Speaker 2: And that's common when you aren't competing for championships and

1389
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 2: your rivals are taken away, you can't understand how much

1390
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 2: joy that takes out of it. Look, we've heard this

1391
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 2: time and again about college football, all right in our

1392
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 2: last five minutes here, Dan, please, do we want to

1393
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 2: talk about the closest you've come, rationally or irrationally to

1394
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 2: denouncing your fan base or denouncing your scan your fandom, Yeah,

1395
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 2: your fandom. Or do we want to talk about where

1396
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 2: teams see, where fans of teams see their rational irrational ceiling?

1397
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk ceilings.

1398
01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 2: What is rationally speaking, the ceiling for Oregon?

1399
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:00,160
Speaker 1: Is it?

1400
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 2: National Championship runner up?

1401
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 1: I just don't think they're going to get to the point,

1402
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 1: barring some sort of crazy injury luck that they stay

1403
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 1: crazy healthy and they run into a final four of

1404
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 1: three backup quarterbacks or something which look organ lost to

1405
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 1: a third string quarterback in the National Championship. That's even

1406
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 1: probably not enough. Sometimes barring that, I don't see away

1407
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:26,599
Speaker 1: in which, especially in the twelve team era, Oregon's gonna

1408
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 1: win National Championship. I just you know, unless Kirby Smart

1409
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 1: retires and Georgia hires poorly, Alabama hires poorly after sab

1410
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 1: and Ohio State hires poorly, and Dan Lanning works out

1411
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,480
Speaker 1: and creates a crazy deep team and is the superpower,

1412
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 1: which I give less than a one percent chance of happening.

1413
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 1: It's national Championship runner up that they can get lightning

1414
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:48,679
Speaker 1: in a bottle. But ultimately, when you have to compare

1415
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 1: three deeps to somebody else, it's just not going to

1416
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 1: work out.

1417
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:55,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for Notre Dame, I think it's probably

1418
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 2: final four in the twelve team era until they get

1419
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 2: that quarterback. If they get the quarterback, then what you know.

1420
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 2: I mean, the defense has been in a good spot,

1421
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:07,639
Speaker 2: the offensive line got to a better spot. Who knows

1422
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 2: where it goes now. But I think, you know, they've

1423
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 2: obviously proven they can get to the playoff. They haven't

1424
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 2: proved much beyond that. But I think what they're really

1425
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 2: missing is that high level quarterback.

1426
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 1: And at the moment of time of recording an offensive

1427
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:21,759
Speaker 1: coordinator and an offensive coordinator.

1428
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 2: Penn State's a different story for me. You know, Penn

1429
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 2: State has not made the playoff, but they could be

1430
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 2: in that position now where they have the high level quarterback.

1431
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 2: It's that situation of the hope killing us. And so

1432
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 2: I think the ceiling with Drew Aller is undoubtedly much

1433
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 2: higher than it's been for Penn State over the last

1434
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 2: couple of seasons. The issue is we haven't really seen

1435
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:47,719
Speaker 2: him in big time game action.

1436
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 1: So where is he from?

1437
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 2: Drew Aller is from Ohio. Okay, So come back to

1438
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 2: me a little bit later on this year and maybe

1439
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 2: we'll talk a little bit more about the answer to

1440
01:13:57,479 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 2: this question.

1441
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 1: I mean, also, the problem I mean less so Notre

1442
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 1: Dame because of the national net with which they cast

1443
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:09,640
Speaker 1: recruiting is top flight quarterbacks don't necessarily come from the

1444
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 1: Northeast and Midwest. I mean, if you look at the

1445
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 1: collection of quarterbacks who are Heisman finalists and National championship

1446
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 1: quarterbacks or playoff quarterbacks. I don't have the data in

1447
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 1: front of me, but I suspect a lot of them

1448
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:29,639
Speaker 1: are from beneath the Mendoza line, right beneath the Mason

1449
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 1: Dixon line. Mendoz line is a baseball thing, the Mason

1450
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 1: Dixon line. And so it's just going to be the

1451
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 1: sheer numbers. It's just tougher to find that top tier

1452
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 1: dude somewhere in the Midwest or Northeast, which is where

1453
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 1: Penn State recruits.

1454
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 2: All right, very quickly. Some of the answers that we

1455
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 2: got from our respondents, some are coming in as we

1456
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 2: are as we are doing this. So shout out to Paul,

1457
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:55,759
Speaker 2: Michigan fan. Paul says national champs. I really think rationally

1458
01:14:55,760 --> 01:15:00,839
Speaker 2: Indie rationally, I think that's fair. Florida fan ool saying

1459
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 2: we should be at the Bama Georgia level and our

1460
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:06,759
Speaker 2: recruiting should be top five annually. The inability to recruit

1461
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 2: at that peak level the last ten years has been disheartening.

1462
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 2: Would agree with that. We've got from Notre Dame fan

1463
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:20,800
Speaker 2: justin Notre Dame national champs. Baby, Okay, we've got see.

1464
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think Notre Dame in Michigan

1465
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 1: have a national championship ceiling. Now, and you said top four,

1466
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 1: I know I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm saying I

1467
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 1: think Michigan is a top four ceiling. They have the

1468
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 1: best coach arguably that they've ever had, just because of

1469
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 1: how much more difficult it is to win in the

1470
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 1: modern era, and this year they lose to a team

1471
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 1: who got historically drilled in the National Championship, and they

1472
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 1: lost to that team last year comfortably, and so it

1473
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 1: just seems like Michigan is in its place.

1474
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 2: So Central Michigan fan Josh Western Michigan went undefeated, they

1475
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 2: made it to a Cotton Bowl as the ap number

1476
01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:00,160
Speaker 2: twelve team in the College Football Playoff rankings. So in

1477
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 2: that history, it is completely rational to believe that Central

1478
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 2: Michigan can make the college football payoff. I actually agree

1479
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 2: with that. Maybe not right when ships can because the

1480
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 2: Broncos did well, because they're going to expand, I think

1481
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:14,680
Speaker 2: is the underlying point here.

1482
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think the MAC is going to be

1483
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 1: the big winner in the G five program, although who knows.

1484
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 1: With the American being sort of drained of its top

1485
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 1: tier teams, We'll see. I guess it's possible. Anything's possible.

1486
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 2: Kevin Garnett, here is what we are going to do.

1487
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 2: We'll close things out here with a Miszoo fan. Why

1488
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 2: not capened it up with Miszoo Miszoo fan Davis saying,

1489
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 2: I rationally believe we can get back to ten and

1490
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 2: two at our absolute best. There we go.

1491
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 1: Listen, we had a bunch of answers here, and we

1492
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 1: had a bunch more questions that we did not have

1493
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 1: time to get through today.

1494
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 2: Why don't we save some of those for our bruin A.

1495
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:50,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do that.

1496
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 2: Let's say some of these for our bruin A. It's

1497
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:56,400
Speaker 2: our bonus episode that's available only to our patreon folks

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Speaker 2: We probably got a four five other questions that we

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Speaker 2: didn't get through, so I'd like to call some of

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Speaker 2: those out, even some of the ones that we didn't

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Speaker 2: get through on Tuesday, because I think we got really

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Speaker 2: great answers from people we appreciate so much our Patreon

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Speaker 1: Dan.

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Speaker 2: Yes, this has been fun, it's been cathartic.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad for me too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope everybody.

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Speaker 1: I love remembering a lot of these guys' names too.

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Speaker 1: That was also fun, hope randomly across the sport.

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Speaker 2: Hope you all enjoyed this week as much as we did.

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Speaker 2: Write in solverable at gmail dot com. Let us know

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Speaker 2: what we can do better, Let us know what you enjoyed,

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Speaker 2: what you didn't enjoy.

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Speaker 1: You know and your answers for these too, your answers.

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Speaker 2: We want to hear your answers as well.

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Speaker 1: Your team, your heartbreaking moments, your high points, your favorite players,

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Speaker 1: what people don't understand about your program. Email us, tweet

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Speaker 1: us whatever you want at soliverbal orsoliverble at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 2: For that guy there, I'm a good friend, Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 2: form myself, Ty Hildenbrandt, for the thousands upon thousands of

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Speaker 2: her ballers watching and listening at home, and of course

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Speaker 2: answers all of these questions. Thank you for your support.

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Speaker 2: We will talk to you all next week in the

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Speaker 2: meantimes Base peace