1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: Call It what It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camel Luddington, 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio podcast. 3 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello, Call It crew. 4 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 3: Jessica and I are in Los Angeles, California. 5 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: We're to go nothing virtual about this. 6 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 3: This is straight up together forever. I feel like they're 7 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 3: feeling the chemistry. Just listening. 8 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: I'm feeling it. I'm feeling the chemistry. This is sort 9 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: of a big week, right. We just had the presidential debates. 10 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: The VMA's are this weekend, Emmys are this weekend. There's 11 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: just Los Angeles is a buzz. 12 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 2: Well, what happened is is you landed in La just 13 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: some it literally timed out with some something huge that happened, which. 14 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 3: We have to talk about. Yes, for sure. 15 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: So well, the headline would be the presidential debate. The 16 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: aftermath was that Taylor Swift took to social media to 17 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: say who she was going to cast her vote for 18 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: in a very eloquent post. I might add that Lady's 19 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: got away with words I found. What did you think 20 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: of the post? 21 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 2: Well, first off, if I were her, I would have 22 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 2: done it too, where I posted with the picture of 23 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 2: a cat and then signed off like childless cat. Lady Yeah, 24 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 2: I thought that was got a sense of humor. Obviously 25 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 2: genius and we all know what that's referring to. 26 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 3: I thought it was incredible because I thought that she said. 27 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 2: Who she was going to vote for, Kamala Harris, but 28 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 2: she also encouraged everyone to do their research, talked about 29 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: how you can register early for voting yep, and gave 30 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 2: all the information within her reveal of who she was 31 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: voting for so important because people need to still be 32 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: educated on how to do all those things. 33 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: Yes, and obviously it was you know, she's an incredibly 34 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: you know what, respected human being on the planet, and 35 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: so she knew that. My guess is that she knew 36 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: that expressing her opinion would certainly be of influence. I 37 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: too love that, likely knowing what her power is in 38 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: just everyone's mind right now. 39 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,279 Speaker 3: I loved that the most. 40 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: Important and first thing she said was that you need 41 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: to do your research, and that everybody gets a vote, 42 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: and that you need to register to vote, and for 43 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 1: first time voters, make sure you're registered, yes, and vote early. 44 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 3: I mean, just I loved that. 45 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: I just loved the that while she was saying who 46 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: she was going to vote for, it felt the post 47 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: felt very inclusive to just voters in general. That's what 48 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: I like, encouraging voting, being a part of the process, 49 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: having your voice be heard. And then she was telling 50 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: us who you know who who her pick was. So 51 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: I just I thought that the whole thing was Actually 52 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: I thought that the whole thing was beautiful and very 53 00:02:55,840 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: very well executed. So yay Taylor Swift, Swift, Ya Taylor Swift, 54 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift for the win. 55 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 3: And then again she's just so funny, like childless cat 56 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 3: lady like take that. 57 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 2: I mean, was there any other picture to post? There's 58 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 2: no other picture to post. You had to post the 59 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 2: gorgeous photo shoot from. 60 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 4: The cat with the cat. 61 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 3: I can't. I know, I know it was great. It 62 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 3: was great. 63 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: And then she's so she's not I think she's not 64 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: performing at the VMA's, but she's gonna be there. In 65 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 1: addition to having a big week just in general. Here 66 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, California, we have a guest that I 67 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: am a super fan of. 68 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 3: I think I can say that with absolute authority. 69 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 2: She sings, she dances, she she's a trouble threat acts. 70 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, she inspires me to exercise. 71 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 2: She I watch her exercise and then I think about exercising, 72 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 2: I consider it. 73 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: I look at her and I look at her fitness 74 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: level and what she's capable of and. 75 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 3: How she uses her body, and I just didn't. I'm 76 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 3: quite frankly, I'm and all of it. 77 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: And so yeah, please please please welcome Julianne Huff. 78 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 3: Hello, with that haircut. With that haircut, it's just so chic. 79 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 2: Okay, I have to tell you, Okay, Hi, welcome to 80 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 2: call it what it is. Jessica has been talking about 81 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 2: your haircut morning. She wants to go straight from heir 82 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 2: to the hairdressers and get it done all. 83 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 4: I mean, I think you should. There's something about short 84 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 4: hair that like it's for the woman, right because like 85 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 4: your partner loves long hair and all that stuff. But 86 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 4: I'm like having short hair is like I feel the 87 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 4: most free, the most sassy, the most confident I ever 88 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 4: feel when I have short hair. So go do it, 89 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 4: chop it off. 90 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: And you know what, let me just say that from 91 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: the outside watching you, it looks like it. 92 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:49,559 Speaker 3: I don't even know where to start. 93 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: But let's just talk about the fact that you are 94 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: singing and writing and dancing. 95 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 3: I mean, we want to know what you don't do. 96 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, is there something that you're Is there something you're 97 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 2: terrible at? 98 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 3: What is the thing that you were absolutely terrible at? 99 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 4: You know, I am terrible at throwing and catching things? 100 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:09,799 Speaker 3: Oh really? 101 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, Like sports is not my jam, Like I like 102 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,799 Speaker 4: wish that I could catch a ball or like play volleyball, 103 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 4: Like you do not want to pick me on your team. 104 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 3: You two have met. We just met the summer. 105 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 2: Yes. 106 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 4: I can't believe that it's taken that long though, because 107 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 4: I feel like we have so many mutual friends and yeah, yeah, 108 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 4: it's crazy. 109 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: Well you also just probably felt my energy just like 110 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: watch again at the parasocial relationships where you watch someone 111 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 1: and you think that you're a part of their life. 112 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: So when I saw you this summer, I was like, oh, yeah, hi, 113 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: we're friends. 114 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 3: We know each other absolutely. I know where you were 115 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 3: last week. 116 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: And you don't even need to rely on paparazzi anymore, 117 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: although you actually have what you choose to post and 118 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: then and then you also have paparazzi. 119 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 4: I mean yes, but also like I don't feel like 120 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 4: the paparazzi game is as strong as it was ten 121 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 4: years ago, which I'm grateful for. 122 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, but then The. 123 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 4: Double edged sword to that is you almost feel like 124 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 4: social media is now another job and careerly like do 125 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 4: and so you're like, wait, I didn't sign up for 126 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 4: this job, but I have it now? Wait what? 127 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 3: And it feels like and it feels like a full 128 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 3: time job. It does? 129 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 4: It is? 130 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: It is you almost feel like in your workday you 131 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: haven't you like, haven't hit that, you haven't checked the 132 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: box until you've like either post posted or strategized about 133 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,799 Speaker 1: the post. Sorry I'm giving away this how the sausage 134 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: is made. But it's like there's thought that goes into 135 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 1: the it's. 136 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 3: Its own business. 137 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 4: Well, I think for people listening, I'm sure they're probably 138 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 4: even better at it than like I am, because like 139 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 4: I feel like it is it's not my second nature. 140 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 4: And I look at amazing influencers that I'm like, wow, 141 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 4: I am so blown away by your ability to like 142 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 4: be structured and strategic and like you're all marketers, Like 143 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 4: you're amazing, and like I like wish I had. 144 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 3: That skill set. Yeah, yeah, no, I know. 145 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: Well, we talk a lot about my personal relationship with balance, right, 146 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: like how do we balance all of these things? And 147 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: I have said timetime again because it is my truth 148 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: that I don't ever actually feel like I'm balancing anything 149 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: on any given day. I'm sort of better at one 150 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: thing than another. For you right now, because it just 151 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: really does seem like you're doing it all. 152 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you negotiate that? Like, is there is 153 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 2: there a balance in your days? 154 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 4: There isn't true, Like just balance, like that's that's made 155 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 4: up and trying to be perfect and that's there's no way. 156 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 4: So when I think about it, I'm like, it's just 157 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 4: day to day being present in that moment because I 158 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 4: feel like, you know, I was just on my book 159 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 4: tour for everything we never know, and it's like, I'm 160 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 4: not going to be balanced during that week because that 161 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 4: week is I'm up at three thirty in the morning, 162 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 4: I'm doing press, I'm you know, pounding some caffeine and 163 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 4: doing what I need to do, you know. And then 164 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 4: but I think what I'm trying to do is during 165 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 4: that press week, even though I know it's not going 166 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 4: to be balanced, Like how can I actually just enjoy 167 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 4: the moment and take it in because I can't go 168 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 4: for a run or I can't I don't have the 169 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 4: time to do my journaling and stuff like that. You know, 170 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 4: so like, how can I just take in the moment 171 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 4: and be very present and enjoy the moment, and then 172 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 4: when I'm done with it, like reflect on it and 173 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 4: like take some time to let it integrate versus just 174 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 4: like onto the next thing. You know. So I think 175 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 4: that's what I try to do more so, of of like, 176 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 4: it's harder said. 177 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 3: Than done, though. 178 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 2: It's really hard to be crazy. It's hard to be. 179 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 3: Present, of course, Well, I I, yeah, I get that. 180 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: I am again. I saw you this summer and I 181 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: got your book and I read it and it's so 182 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: wonderful and I highly recommend it to anyone who has 183 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: not already bought it or download it or anything like that. 184 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 1: I just so it hats off to you, because of 185 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: course I was because I think probably like many people, 186 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: there was this book and I had your name on it, 187 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: and I was like, she can't write books too? 188 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 4: Coming on, Well, it's funny, I mean, like the what 189 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 4: it's been kind of confusing, I think for a lot 190 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 4: of people is and even for myself, is like how 191 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 4: do I identify myself? 192 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 3: Like? 193 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 4: Am I a dancer, an actor, a singer, you know, 194 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 4: an entrepreneur? And then I was like No, I'm a storyteller, 195 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 4: Like I like telling stories and whatever medium it is, like, 196 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 4: I want to create worlds for people to be able 197 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 4: to see themselves in that story and relate to it 198 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 4: and have it resonate and have it inspire some sort 199 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 4: of activation of self discovery or I feel seen or wow, 200 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 4: like anything as possible. So you know, I'm thirty six 201 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 4: now it's like throughout my twenties it was all about 202 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 4: performing and and just trying to like figure out what 203 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 4: to do next, And now it's sort of like what 204 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 4: is my what do I want to put out in 205 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 4: the world, and what's the through line? Even though I 206 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 4: love and I have so many different passions of how 207 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 4: it's expressed, Like what am I actually trying to say? 208 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 4: And I think it's self discovery, transformation, healing, like we 209 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 4: all have the we all have it within us, and 210 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 4: so if people can see that and that can be 211 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 4: my way of contributing, you know, lessons that I've learned 212 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 4: along my journey, then let me just do it through 213 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 4: any form of storytelling. 214 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 3: So yes, and you and you are doing that. 215 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: Is there any medium that has intimidated you more than others? 216 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you come so naturally to dance, and 217 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: you've been doing it for forever. But when you know, 218 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: when you first got into the recording studio, what was 219 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: that moment? 220 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 3: Were you like or were you like yes or somewhere 221 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 3: in between. 222 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,719 Speaker 4: I think because all of those things happened at such 223 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 4: an early age, I was like fearless then, you know, 224 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 4: like I didn't have the years of like, you know, 225 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 4: getting rejected in the industry yet, you know, so I 226 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 4: just was like going and like fearless and just it 227 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 4: was an exciting time. So but I think writing this 228 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 4: book it was it was way more vulnerable because again 229 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 4: I've spent my years performing and like doing other people's work, 230 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 4: and even when I had my music, I didn't write 231 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 4: those songs, and so I connected with them, but it 232 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 4: didn't come from me. So like this book and this story, 233 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 4: it really was like half lived experience and then I 234 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 4: fictionalized it and it came through my own form of 235 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 4: expression versus and more artistry versus performer. 236 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 3: It's so personal. 237 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're really you're trusting people with something 238 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: that's so so personal. 239 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 2: Can you tell our listeners what the book is about? 240 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 4: Absolutely? So it's about a woman who seemingly has everything 241 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 4: to get. She's got the perfect house, perfect marriage, perfect job. 242 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 4: And at a banquet one night where she's receiving an award, 243 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 4: she goes up on stage and she starts having these 244 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 4: supernatural experiences where she sees this man and she sees 245 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 4: an aura around him. She starts hearing you know, a 246 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 4: woman's voice saying save him, Henry, save him, Help, Help, 247 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 4: and she starts tasting salt water and feels like she's drowning. 248 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 4: And so she's having like all of her senses activated. 249 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 4: And then when he leaves, they all go away, and 250 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 4: she's like, what just happened to me? And as she's 251 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 4: kind of curious about this, she doesn't want to talk 252 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 4: about it with her friends or her husband because she 253 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 4: also is like, I feel crazy, this is this is insane. 254 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 4: So she goes on this sort of exploration and she 255 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 4: finds this like town witch in this in the city 256 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 4: of where she lives, in Gardenvale, and she starts, you know, 257 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 4: being mentored by this woman and she starts doing breath 258 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 4: work and meditation and stuff and thinking that, oh am, 259 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 4: I supposed to be healing people because I'm having these 260 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,719 Speaker 4: experiences where I could have helped this person and they 261 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 4: just had something happen to them. But I could have 262 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 4: prevented that if I would have listened to these senses. 263 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,839 Speaker 4: So as she's like trying to cultivate these new found powers, 264 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 4: she realizes, obviously, I can't heal anybody until I heal myself, 265 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 4: and so she goes on this journey of healing for herself. 266 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 4: And it's very you know, heightened fantasy. So it's it's 267 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 4: her healing through that natural elements earth, fire, water, and air, 268 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 4: and so she uses the elements to help her on 269 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 4: her own healing journey. 270 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 3: And it's very so creative. 271 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: I mean, the way that you did this is so 272 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: creative and so many different you know, modalities of understanding 273 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 1: and sense and all that. And then you know, I 274 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: don't want to give it away, but it's just it's 275 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 1: so wonderful. 276 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 3: Thank you. 277 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 2: What part of it was inspired by your life? Are 278 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 2: you able to say, like specifically. 279 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So I think that thematics, you know, like 280 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 4: her journey, she was avoiding a lot of like pain, 281 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 4: and she suppressed a lot of things. So like, you know, 282 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 4: I've talked openly about it, but I you know, I 283 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 4: had violation happen to me as a child, and so 284 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 4: she also has that in the book that she has 285 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 4: to address and with her family system, and that's the 286 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 4: earth Lesson that she goes through, which is like her 287 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 4: roots and the family dynamics. Water is obviously the grief 288 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 4: and the loss and being able to have the emotions 289 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 4: come through her fire lesson is about like her visceral 290 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 4: like healthy anger that comes through, and standing up for yourself. 291 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 4: Air is about using your voice and also standing up 292 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 4: for yourself. Those are all universal themes that I think 293 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 4: we all experience in certain ways, and I've had my 294 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 4: own versions of that. And so instead kind of, you know, 295 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 4: writing an autobiography where people are going to read my 296 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 4: story and see my see me in this story, I 297 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 4: wanted to write something where I experienced these themes of 298 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 4: loss and grief and abandonment and violation and all these things. 299 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 4: But I want the reader to see themselves in the 300 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 4: story and so that they can go on the journey 301 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 4: instead of, oh, this is Julianne's story, No, this is 302 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 4: all of our story. We all go to a hero's journey. 303 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 4: We all experience a lot of the same emotions in 304 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 4: our life. We just have different circumstances of how we've 305 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 4: experienced it. So that was my reason for writing it 306 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 4: as a fiction. But I definitely you know, and then 307 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 4: I also had some supernatural experiences at the time when 308 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 4: I was having like this, you know, for lack of 309 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 4: better you know, words or a sentence, my spiritual awakening, 310 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 4: and it like popped open this like next layer of 311 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 4: healing that I went through. And so I was like, well, 312 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 4: this is a great way for you know, it doesn't 313 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 4: have to be so heavy when you go through a 314 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 4: healing journey. It can be really powerful and amazing and 315 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 4: mystical and magical. 316 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 3: And it was the shared experience voices so mine. 317 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 4: I'm a very kinesthetic person, so I feel a lot 318 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 4: of things and even I don't know if you know 319 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 4: about like synesthesia. It's like where if you you can 320 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 4: like you can smell color or like you can y. Yeah, 321 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 4: found it's like I'm fascinatle so like I would like 322 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 4: I would I wouldn't actually see like pink around somebody, 323 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 4: but I knew it was pink around them. I could 324 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 4: feel that there was pink, and like I could sense 325 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 4: that that was the color or you know, I could 326 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 4: smell and I could hear, you know, just intuitive knowing, 327 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 4: and so you had. 328 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 2: That your whole life, where you had that during your 329 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 2: you're awakening. 330 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I was during that sort of Have. 331 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 3: You ever connected with Laurel and Jackson? 332 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 4: I haven't. 333 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 2: No. 334 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 3: Laura and Jackson. 335 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: She she I also met through Amy Griffin. 336 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 3: She wrote a book called. 337 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: Signs Okay and Uh, And she is a medium and 338 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: she does a lot of oural work and is just 339 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: fascinating and just an incredibly wow just yeah. 340 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 3: And I had a reading with her and it was 341 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 3: pretty mind blowing. 342 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 4: I mean, look, I I have always felt like that's 343 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 4: been a part of my family. My mom like would 344 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 4: literally like look at us and be like I think 345 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 4: you have a strep throat, or like she would you know, 346 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 4: or like she'd look into my eyes, or she would 347 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 4: like rub my feet and I'd be like ow and 348 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 4: she'd like, ooh, something's wrong with your kidney, like sort 349 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 4: of like a medical medium she just knew as well. 350 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 3: It's just that witchy. 351 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: I feel like we you know, in our and do 352 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 1: you have that too where sometimes you ever, well do 353 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: you feel like you do? 354 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 3: Do you have like the the witchy? 355 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 4: Absolutely do? And I like every everybody has it. I 356 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 4: think it's more just. And that's where your book is, 357 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 4: which is like, because of our childhood, we're so connected, right, 358 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 4: but then we build up layers of protection to fit 359 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 4: in to its necessary, adopt for your wounds, Like I 360 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 4: want to belong, so I'm gonna put this layer of 361 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 4: protection on me so fit in. Or and so we 362 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 4: get further and further away from that, or we get 363 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 4: further and further closed off to what's possible. And so 364 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 4: this whole book is about delayering all of those conditions 365 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 4: and patterns and beliefs to like get back to this 366 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 4: you know, really open channel and vessel of what's possible. 367 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: I think, which it takes a lot of trust because 368 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 1: the armoring up is what keeps us safe, right, or 369 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: you are brave enough to take the armor off and 370 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: use your own knowing and your own words and your 371 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: own voices to say what you need to say. 372 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 2: In your twenties, I'm I turned forty. I feel like 373 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 2: I peel off more the older I get. 374 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, because I feel like it's all like learning. Know, 375 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 4: you're like building up all these layers and then it's 376 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 4: all about taking them away. 377 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. 378 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: A friend of mine calls it the upgrades, Like every 379 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: birthday brings an upgrade, and you sort of like reboot 380 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: the system and you find yourself, you know, a little 381 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: more trusting, a little more totally. 382 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 4: Those like what you were just saying about armor, it's 383 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 4: like that comes from a place of defense versus like offense. 384 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 3: You know. 385 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 4: It's like defense is like I'm going to say no 386 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 4: and protect myself this way. But like when you're connected 387 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 4: to your truth, you can say no from a very 388 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 4: healthy place. It's not about being in a defensive place. 389 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 4: It's it's just a no before you have to be 390 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 4: in a defensive place. 391 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: Going back to being present, you don't know when you're 392 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: going to get there. It's sort of this silent upgrade. 393 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: Like I think you do your work. I think everybody 394 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: needs to be doing their work. I think a lot 395 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: of times when I feel like I'm doing extra work 396 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: in a relationship, it might be because the other person isn't. 397 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 1: I can you do the work too, please, because this 398 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: is well, that's a whole lot of that's a whole 399 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 1: lot of situation. 400 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh. 401 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm doing work for the both of us, and 402 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: while I can, I don't want to. 403 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 3: You didn't have to do it for yourself. 404 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 4: Meet me where I'm at, that'd be great. 405 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 406 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, But just even what you just said, we're recently 407 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: just feeling like in times where my expectations or my 408 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: hopes or my desires are are in conflict with someone else's, 409 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: instead of being defensive or having it be a thing, 410 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: I can really sit and be present and be like, 411 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: I see how you see it, and. 412 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:41,679 Speaker 4: No, yeah, and that's okay. We yea to this spot, 413 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 4: and like, I don't have to now win you over 414 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 4: and adapt to be what you need to be so 415 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 4: that we shift our energy to match. No, I'm going 416 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 4: to say where I'm at, and if we don't match, 417 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 4: it's just a not matching situation. It's not right or wrong. 418 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 2: I feel like I spent so much in my twenties 419 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 2: trying to do exactly that, trying to match other people's energy, yes, 420 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 2: which is exhausting, and just not it doesn't it doesn't work. 421 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: Yes, And then sort of in the silent hours of 422 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: the night, you find yourself asking yourself, like, what do 423 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: I want? And it's the more that you act like that, 424 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: the further you get from what do I want? 425 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 3: And being able to answer it. Yes, you're like, oh, 426 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 3: I want what I When. 427 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: We talk about all the time with you know, social media, 428 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: it's like I want what you know, what that person 429 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,479 Speaker 1: has or that person has a better life for that 430 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: persons whatever, and you compare, and like comparison is just 431 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 1: the thief of joy and honesty because it's like what 432 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 1: do I want? Maybe I want that, Maybe I actually don't. 433 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: Maybe I just got carried away in the moment. 434 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's okay. Like that's what I always like 435 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 4: think about too, is like you don't know what you know. 436 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 4: You don't know until you know it, and so everybody's 437 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 4: doing the best that they can. But once you get 438 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 4: like an insight of like, wow, I really I really 439 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 4: trust myself. Like you can't go back. Even your patterns 440 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 4: try to come back in and you you almost slip 441 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 4: up and try to like you repeat something. You're like, 442 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 4: I can't do this anymore. 443 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 3: You cannot unread. 444 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 4: And it's hard because you're so familiar with doing it 445 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 4: a certain way for so long that you think that 446 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 4: that's what feels safe when it's actually not the right thing. 447 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, it's just a pattern. 448 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, you seem like you are in the most incredible place. 449 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:27,959 Speaker 4: You're so sweet. 450 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 3: I mean, what is that like, I mean new relationships 451 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 3: and being in this space. 452 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I do feel that, and I think that, like 453 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 4: even some of my relationships from my past are coming 454 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 4: back up around and you know, things sometimes shift and. 455 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: Then Ryan secret. Sorry, I just have to say it 456 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: because I was a really big fan of you guys. 457 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 1: I shipped you, you know I did. 458 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest. Here's what happened. We walked in 459 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 3: this morning. 460 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 2: Everyone knew we're going to talk to you, and we 461 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 2: are iHeart and Bourbank. Everyone here the entire building would 462 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 2: like you to it back with Ryan Seacrest. We're like, 463 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 2: we're even the security guy we're like walking through and 464 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 2: he is like, are they getting back together? 465 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 3: And I'm like, I don't know, we can ask. 466 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 4: This is really funny. 467 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 3: You're super fans over here. 468 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 4: No, clearly people are interested in that. 469 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 3: So not interested. 470 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 2: I mean, it's like a whole It's like you're shipping 471 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 2: it like you're a TV Yeah couple exactly. 472 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: But I mean, like truly, like on Gray's Anatomy, I 473 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: ill obviously it was a fake relate. I'm not fake, 474 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: but it was a imagined relationship, but I too. 475 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 3: I mean, I can't tell you how many times. 476 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: And by the way, it was an imagined relationship and 477 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 1: people were coming up to me and being. 478 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 3: Like, but just why, like why are you together? Like, well, 479 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 3: first of all, I'm not her. 480 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: Yeah I can fall that's a question for someone above 481 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: my pay grade. Yeah, we need to talk to a 482 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: writer about that. 483 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 3: I'm curious. 484 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 2: What is Was there a moment that you felt started 485 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 2: your healing journey where you're like, I got to take 486 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 2: care of this. 487 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 4: I mean it's there. Wasn't like a It was more 488 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 4: like back in twenty thirteen, I went to a Tony 489 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 4: Robbins seminar and that was like the beginning of like 490 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 4: my cognitive awareness of like belief systems, and I was like, wow, 491 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 4: like I had a totally different belief Like my whole 492 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 4: drive and ambition to do. What I did was basically 493 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 4: to say f you to certain people and say watch 494 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 4: me because you said I couldn't. Like that got me 495 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 4: really far, but that's not sustainable. They still had the power, 496 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And so when I figured 497 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 4: that out at like twenty five, I was like, WHOA. 498 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 4: I had to like refall in love with I with 499 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 4: what I did from. 500 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 2: A place I figured that out at twenty five. Yeah, 501 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 2: I figured that out like last year. 502 00:24:55,760 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 3: Yes, I feel like she figured out. Guess I'm still 503 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 3: forging about that. 504 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 4: That was sort of that was back in twenty thirteen. 505 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 4: So that shifted my whole like perspective of like why 506 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 4: do what I do? And I lost my motivation for 507 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 4: a few years because I was like, I don't know 508 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 4: what's driving me. 509 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 1: So yeah, well that's and that can sometimes be a 510 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: result of a saying that I like to pull out 511 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: of my back pocket all the time, which is oftentimes 512 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: when I feel very overwhelmed and I don't know what 513 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,360 Speaker 1: I want to do, and I'm looking at everybody else, 514 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: like what does everybody else want to need? And I 515 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: want to make it all good and fix and please 516 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: and all this stuff, and I'm like, hold on, I 517 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: am setting myself on fire to keep everybody else warm. 518 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 3: And I will no longer exist if I allow this 519 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 3: to continue. 520 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: And it's a real and it's you have to have 521 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: a real diligence, if to have a real discipline with 522 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: yourself and with your thoughts, because oftentimes I think also 523 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: these thoughts become habits more than actual real feelings, and 524 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: we just sort of, you know, we habituate them and 525 00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: then we fall right back into them. 526 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 3: Okay, we have to talk about Dancing with the Stars. 527 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, I love it. 528 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 3: And I came to it late translator. I was a 529 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 3: day wanner. I was not a day wanner. 530 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 4: You are in a day wanner when a day wanner. 531 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: My kids brought me into it. So the girls, Eve 532 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: and Poppy and Josephine started watching it, and they were probably, 533 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe like six or seven episodes in. 534 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: And I just always feel like when they're watching something 535 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: is when I'm like getting stuff done. 536 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 3: So it's like, okay, they're fine. 537 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,239 Speaker 1: And I must have just like put my feet up 538 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 1: on the couch and was like, what do you watching? 539 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: And I was fully fully hooked and then managed to 540 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: because all the seasons are just sitting there right at 541 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: wherever you extreme things. We went back, we went forwards, 542 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: We went to just put different performances. We did actually 543 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: rewatch the finale, Poppy and I did in preparation, but 544 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: she is so excited and she they just loved you 545 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: last season and it looked so exciting. We really like 546 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: the outfit with the hood thing. All of it was 547 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: just fucking on fire. 548 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 3: You ate that up. 549 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,199 Speaker 4: Well, by the way, you have to come to the 550 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 4: show then don't know my whole body, and like you're 551 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 4: going to. 552 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 3: Have a blast. 553 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 4: I don't know like what you know she's into. So 554 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 4: like there's different themes each week, and so you know 555 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 4: pick now that you guys are fans, Like there's like 556 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 4: most most memorable you know week, which is like all 557 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 4: the backstories. There's Disney Week, There's week Love the Disney Week. 558 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, there's no way in the world that 559 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:37,959 Speaker 1: I'm not taking you up on that. 560 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 3: I might. You might just open up your trailer door 561 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 3: and I'll just be sitting there. You might end up 562 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 3: on it. You're gonna end up on it. Yeah you too. 563 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: Dancing might be my kryptonite. And here's the most unjustice, 564 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: that's what. 565 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 3: But by the way, those are the people that I 566 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 3: want to see so far. 567 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 4: But by the way, talk about when I was saying 568 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 4: earlier about like my through line, it's like I want 569 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 4: to tell stories of transformation and self discovery. People think 570 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 4: this is a dance show. It's not a dance shows me. 571 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 3: Oh, I'm all ready to be transformed, but. 572 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 4: Like on the insight and your confidence and like feeling 573 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 4: alive and sexy and like are you? It's so fun 574 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 4: it is, Well, how did I think. 575 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 3: I'm just partner? 576 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: Is that? In my mind? I am a phenomenal dancer. 577 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: In my mind, I'm a phenomenal singer. And when I 578 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 1: go to do the thing, I'm really glad there's no 579 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: cameras around because I can still think I'm great and 580 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: not be great at the same time. 581 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 2: I want to know how you And because there's only 582 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 2: so many spots, right, how did you and your brother 583 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 2: end up on it? 584 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 3: That's so wild? 585 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 4: So obviously my brother and I we we competed in 586 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 4: London and we trained our whole lives basically to do 587 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 4: what we do. And when I moved back, my brother 588 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 4: still stayed in London, and my dance partner was there too, 589 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 4: Mark Ballas, and I came out to la to act 590 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 4: and to sing, and I wasn't planning on dancing, but 591 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 4: I obviously needed to pay my rent, and so I 592 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 4: would do these dancing jobs for commercials or whatever, and 593 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 4: I got offered to go on the Dancing with the 594 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 4: Stars tour as a company dancer. When I was eighteen 595 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 4: and when I was on the tour, the producers of 596 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 4: the show saw me asked me to be on the show. 597 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 4: I said no, because I want to be a respected 598 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,719 Speaker 4: actress and seeing like if I go on a reality show, 599 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 4: like I'm going to have a certain you know, narrative 600 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 4: of that and I'm never gonna be able to act. 601 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 4: And then at the time, I was like, there's twenty 602 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 4: million viewers watching this show every single week. It's it's 603 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,479 Speaker 4: more than a reality show. It's a competition show. Like 604 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 4: there's real talent, it's my skill set. I was like, 605 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 4: I do need to pay my rent. So so I 606 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 4: went on the show in season four and I told 607 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 4: them about my brother and like, you know Mark, and 608 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 4: they ended up reaching out and he came the season 609 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 4: after that. 610 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: So, by the way, that is a story of you 611 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: certainly showing them, I mean, going on on show like 612 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: that and doing what you've done, wanting to be you know, 613 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: an actor and finding your way there through that. 614 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 3: It's just incredible. 615 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 4: Well and I think that okay, So again, that was 616 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 4: when I was eighteen, and when I was twenty five 617 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,479 Speaker 4: is when I figured out the other part of like 618 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 4: I'm doing this for everybody. I got to find it 619 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 4: within myself, and I had this mindset that like, if 620 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 4: I did this, I can't do that. But the truth 621 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 4: is is we can do whatever we want, and we 622 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 4: have the power to have our own narrative. And yes, 623 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 4: there are certain pathways that people take because that's how 624 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 4: it was done. But the people that create new pathways 625 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 4: are the ones that you end up following as a 626 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 4: role model or you know, as a model of how 627 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 4: to get to the next place. And so I was like, 628 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 4: I'll just do it different, you know, like, and it 629 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 4: hasn't been easy because again people are like, wait, what 630 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 4: does she do? But the thing with Dancing with the 631 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 4: Stars is like I am so grateful for the show 632 00:30:55,600 --> 00:31:00,239 Speaker 4: and like just the just everything that it is like 633 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 4: brought to my life as like an embarrassment of riches, 634 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 4: Like I am so blessed to be a part of 635 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 4: this show. 636 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: It reminds me that I was just telling the story 637 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: the other day that when I first graduated college and 638 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: I came out to Los Angeles to be an actress 639 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: and yes, I need to pay my bills too, and 640 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: I was like, well, okay, was this going to go? 641 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: And everybody was doing you know, movies, and they were 642 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: doing either studio movies or they were doing indie movies, 643 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: but it was all movies and movies, movies. And I 644 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: three months of auditioning and I hadn't gotten anything. And 645 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: I was like three months by the way, it was 646 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: like a second and I was like, I'm a failure. 647 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 3: It's all over. 648 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: I'm hanging up. 649 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 3: I'm hanging it up. But I remember my agent saying, well, 650 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 3: what do you want to do? And I was like, well, 651 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 3: I mean, okay. 652 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: This this world does not seem to be welcoming me 653 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: like I thought it might, and so what else could 654 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: I do? 655 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 3: Could I do? Like television? And they were like, ooh, 656 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 3: I don't know about television. 657 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: I was like why and they're like, because you know, 658 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: and it was very much like go to TV because 659 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: you're the B team, And I was like, you know 660 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: what I would like to be. I would like to 661 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: be a paid actor. So if that's who's hiring me, 662 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: then I'm okay to be on the B team, and 663 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: I'll just work my way up to the A team. 664 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 4: And uh. 665 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: And I never I never drew any lines in the sand, 666 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: and I'm so grateful that I did, because that was 667 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: what started my career, and I truly like went from 668 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I did so many pilots that didn't get 669 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: picked up, but it was like every year, and it 670 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: was a world that welcomed me and wanted me there, 671 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: which felt a whole lot better than a world that 672 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: was like you're not good enough, you're not going to 673 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: fit into right, Like oh my gosh. And back then 674 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: it was like you're not skinny enough, you're not pretty enough, 675 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: you're not tall enough, you're not short enough. You're all 676 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: the things that I wasn't enough of, and then there 677 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: was this world that was like, yeah, you aren't. It 678 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: was a really, really, really big difference. 679 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, dancing with Yes. 680 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 4: We put like a hierarchy of what's better. Yeah, it's 681 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 4: a real shame, it is because. 682 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 3: It really really hurts people too. You know, our whole 683 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 3: call it crew. 684 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: They write in with the most beautiful and vulnerable submissions, 685 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: and I would say one of the common themes is 686 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: like am I good enough? 687 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 4: One thousand percent? 688 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: And it's really interesting because again, in friendship, you see 689 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: what other people don't. So part of the reason that 690 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: this all got born is like I see this one 691 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: as like just the best thing that ever happened. 692 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 3: She makes me laugh without even talking. She can like 693 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 3: move an eyeball just. 694 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: You know, I mean, and I'm like, but okay, wait 695 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: back to just I'm sorry, just just deal with me 696 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: for a second. With the stars, the cast has been 697 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: the lineup has been revealed. One of the participants is. 698 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 3: The Delvy Yes who I saw a picture. She's still 699 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 3: under house arrest, so she has the Some people are 700 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 3: some people are so angry about this. I like, are 701 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 3: they're angry. 702 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 2: People with some people, I'm not happy. It's controversial, controversial 703 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 2: is but I love it. 704 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 4: I'm so obsessed. 705 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 2: I'm so obsessed, you guys, because I need her to win. 706 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 3: I don't even know who the other contestants are. I 707 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 3: don't care. 708 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 2: I need I just I want her to win. I'm serious. 709 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 2: And by the way, she could be deported any second. 710 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 2: Oh stop it. 711 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 3: I don't know. But she had to get permission from immigration. 712 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 3: It is. 713 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 4: It's pretty I mean talk about controversy, but again in 714 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 4: a way that like allows people to show their most 715 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 4: you know, true self. So this is a great opportunity 716 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 4: for her. But I just love it so much because 717 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 4: I was obsessed with the show and Julia Garner just 718 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 4: crushed it and there's there's so there's so much fun 719 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 4: to be had with it, and like she she plays 720 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 4: into it, which like, yeah she does. 721 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: Already did yesterday. 722 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I know. 723 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 3: You guys, I cannot. 724 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: I wait did she could she take it off for 725 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: them to do that or did she have to like 726 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: be there? 727 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 3: W she can take it off? Captraw. 728 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 2: So my favorite though, it's sending it into Michaels to 729 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:53,839 Speaker 2: be bedazzled. 730 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,320 Speaker 4: My favorite thing though, is like speaking of like wanting 731 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 4: to like fit in right when ever she says I 732 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 4: have a great outfit on, because I've seen her like 733 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 4: two or three times now, I'm like, oh my gosh, I. 734 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 3: Know you definitely do we know from the show on 735 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 3: the show that she has opinions. 736 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 4: You tell Paw like you know, you're like. 737 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,240 Speaker 3: Paw, so you are not looking poor? 738 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 1: I love it. 739 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 3: Yes, you're not looking poor. Oh my god. Do you 740 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 3: ever do you still get nervous or no? Are you? 741 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 3: You're not nervous at all. 742 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 4: I mean with anything that I do, I I have 743 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 4: those butterfly tingly feelings. Obviously if I don't feel prepared, 744 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 4: I get nervous. But but with the show like because 745 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 4: I've literally done every role. Now yeah, yeah, now I'm posting. 746 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 4: It's like I know this show so well, and the crew, 747 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 4: the you know, camera operators and the lighting and the 748 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 4: design and like the costume designer, Like everybody has been 749 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 4: there for almost I mean most people have been there 750 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 4: for almost the entire thirty three seasons. And so it's 751 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 4: like it's family and it's actually a healthy family. 752 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 3: I love that, you know what I mean. 753 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 4: Like it's not like maybe your own family that's dysfunctional, 754 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 4: Like it's a really healthy family. 755 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,359 Speaker 1: Well, the story that I'm making up in my mind, 756 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 1: given that I've now gotten to spend time with you. 757 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 3: Is that that tracks right? Yeah? 758 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: You being you and being in the place that you're 759 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: at and having a healthy family to work with and 760 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 1: be in relationship with makes sense to me. 761 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 3: Is it hard working with your own family? 762 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:39,959 Speaker 4: Am? 763 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 2: I said? I feel like me and my siblings would 764 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:46,320 Speaker 2: end up in a huge dance, huge dance. 765 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 3: You have a lot of siblings too. 766 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 2: We have a dance song, No, I we have a 767 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 2: my siblings they'll be listening right now. 768 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 3: We're in a WhatsApp like group chat. 769 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 2: Someone you can exit the chap is like storming out right, 770 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,280 Speaker 2: someone storms. 771 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,839 Speaker 3: Out of our chat every other day and then. 772 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,359 Speaker 2: You have to be invited back in. So when it's 773 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 2: it's kind of embarrassing because you have to be like, 774 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 2: can I come back in your own storm out? 775 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 4: You know about I would say about five or six 776 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,720 Speaker 4: years ago. That was also like remember when Marco Polo 777 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 4: was like a thing Polo the app, Like we would 778 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 4: say yes, yes, So that's when the like people would 779 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,320 Speaker 4: leave the chat and like not feel included and it 780 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 4: would become okay. That was like five or six years ago, 781 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,839 Speaker 4: and I feel like since then, fortunately, our family we're 782 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 4: we're doing. We're on a good streak right now, so 783 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 4: it's good for you. 784 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're not. We're not. We'll never be. 785 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,760 Speaker 2: We like we like a little, we like arguing attle 786 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 2: argument with you. 787 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 4: So there's always something. 788 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,879 Speaker 3: Yes, it's like how many are you? How many are you? 789 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 4: So I'm the baby of five in my blood, but 790 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,440 Speaker 4: then I also have nine step brothers and sisters thirty 791 00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 4: three now use like I've never gone and on and on. 792 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 4: IM remarried, like a lot of people are remarried and 793 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 4: new family, so it's just very blended. 794 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 3: That's wild. 795 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 1: I don't usually meet a lot of people that have 796 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: more than me. But you've got me, You've got do 797 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 1: you have. I'm the oldest of ten with all of 798 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: the yours, mind ours and theirs. 799 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,760 Speaker 3: We're adopted, half step all of the things. 800 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 2: I'm so excited about your book, and everyone please go 801 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 2: out and get it. 802 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,479 Speaker 3: Yes, it sounds inccredible book. 803 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,840 Speaker 4: I feel like people will like connect to it. Also 804 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,839 Speaker 4: if if you just want a fund like escape too. 805 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,399 Speaker 4: It's also fun. And then I have music that goes 806 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 4: along with I know coming out. You would tell us 807 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,319 Speaker 4: about the music, Well, the single is out, it's like 808 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 4: Spotify and everything. It's same title, everything we never knew. 809 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 4: And then I have a song for each one of 810 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,840 Speaker 4: the lessons that she goes to in the book that 811 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 4: are coming out a little bit later. I'm going to 812 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 4: do like a second push for oh my God holidays 813 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 4: and and promote the book again and and then and 814 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 4: promote it with the music that's coming out. It kind 815 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 4: of just came out of nowhere. I was like I 816 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 4: had another form of storytelling, and like, so some people 817 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:07,840 Speaker 4: like to listen incredible. 818 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 3: You know, yes, you're incredible. 819 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 4: You're both incredible and you're thank you for us right now. 820 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 1: So I know, I know, I got here last night 821 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,720 Speaker 1: and I go back to New York. Well, I stop 822 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,320 Speaker 1: in Chicago on the way, but I'll be back in 823 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: New York on Monday. 824 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,280 Speaker 3: But now is the most beautiful. 825 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 4: New York is. Like I'm so sad because I obviously 826 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 4: shoot Dancing with the Stars in the fall every season now, 827 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,240 Speaker 4: so it's the New York fall every year, and I'm so. 828 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 3: Sad, I know, but you know what, New York Spring. 829 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:37,799 Speaker 4: It's also great. 830 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,920 Speaker 1: Not got your favorite, it has turned into maybe even 831 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 1: my favorite. 832 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,279 Speaker 4: Oh interesting because. 833 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,359 Speaker 1: Speaking of magical, when you really lived through the four 834 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,360 Speaker 1: seasons and you've you've gone through the winter, you're uniquely 835 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:50,480 Speaker 1: aware of your surroundings. 836 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 3: So you know every spot where there's. 837 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 1: No foliage, where there's no green, where there's no flowers, 838 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,760 Speaker 1: there's nothing, and so when they come, it's like it 839 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,799 Speaker 1: is like magic. It's like you just I've been I 840 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,799 Speaker 1: literally find myself googling, like I don't know a lot of. 841 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,240 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, we're sitting here fall one hundred and seven to trees. 842 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:12,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, Tommy Moore, I know right. 843 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,759 Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much, and I'm going to take 844 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 1: you up on the Dancing with the Stars, Poppy and 845 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,359 Speaker 1: Eve and Josie and I will be in the front row. 846 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:22,359 Speaker 3: Wait can I come too? 847 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:27,239 Speaker 4: Yes? Absolutely, I said yes for you, Yes, every pretty cut. 848 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 3: All right, We're gonna be fun. Brok you thank you 849 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:31,879 Speaker 3: so much, Thank you so much. 850 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:33,879 Speaker 4: Have a great day you too. 851 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 2: I got to get the book, and I'm gonna tell 852 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,839 Speaker 2: you why I do love supernatural stuff too. 853 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 3: I know, I love a little. 854 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 2: I love it and I love that she included the 855 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,359 Speaker 2: elements and that and the singing and the whole. 856 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 3: I mean, it's a whole experience. I love it. 857 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 2: She's just I mean, what can't she do? I'm glad 858 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:52,919 Speaker 2: she said the sports thing, because. 859 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 3: Yeah she can't. She said. No, she's almost true talented. 860 00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 2: Next time you guys see us, we may be front 861 00:40:58,680 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 2: row and dancing with the stars. 862 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,879 Speaker 3: Absolutely. I mean that is a that is an absolute. 863 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 3: That is not even like a question mark. Well, on 864 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,160 Speaker 3: home team A b C. It's on home team ABC. 865 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 4: But I have a question. 866 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,320 Speaker 2: Will you be sat front row like wearing jazz shoes 867 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 2: just in case someone falls. 868 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:20,800 Speaker 4: In? Coach? 869 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 2: Yeah? 870 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, did Anna twist and ankle because of that? Yeah, 871 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,760 Speaker 3: it's tennis all over again. It's tennis all over again. 872 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,480 Speaker 3: You're in the leotard, the sparkles. They're like, why is 873 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 3: Jessica dressed to dance? We know why. Now My kids 874 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,840 Speaker 3: really do want me to go on, but I'm telling 875 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 3: you it's not. It's it's not. It's fine. 876 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,719 Speaker 2: You're you're you're giving off. I know what I can 877 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,560 Speaker 2: I cannot do anyway. Thank you guys so much for 878 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 2: joining us today. Let's call it. 879 00:41:49,960 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 1: Call it the end of the episode.