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Speaker 2: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntire.

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Speaker 3: What is up, Fire, fam, It's the Jason McIntire Straight

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Speaker 3: Fire for Tuesday, July eighteenth. Got a great guest on

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Speaker 3: today's podcast. I know we got some baseball fans who

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Speaker 3: are like Jay, you never talk baseball. My buddy Ben

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Speaker 3: Verlander Fox Sports. He's basically Otani's best friend. Can I

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Speaker 3: get away with saying that he's coming on the pod

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Speaker 3: to talk about Otani trade rumors? Yankees tied for last

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Speaker 3: but still in the baseball postseason mix Mets disaster, speed

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Speaker 3: of the game, really fun stuff with Ben Verlander. The

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Speaker 3: Otani stuff is interesting. I think, you know, we've got

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Speaker 3: two weeks left of trade rumors. I think it's really

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Speaker 3: good for baseball that his name's out there. But if

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Speaker 3: you think of stuff that's not good for sports, let's

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Speaker 3: go with Saquon Barkley and Josh Jacobs. Neither of them

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Speaker 3: gets a deal done on Monday afternoon. Both will have

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Speaker 3: to play on a franchise tag if they decide to play.

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Speaker 3: This is bad bad news for the Giants.

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Speaker 2: It is awful news for the Raiders. Both teams rely

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Speaker 2: on the running back.

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Speaker 3: These are two of the top five or six best

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Speaker 3: running back thinking he could just sit out and be

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Speaker 3: very poorly. Now, Saquon and Jacobs are both younger than

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Speaker 3: Belle was, but the running back shelf life, folks, is

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Speaker 3: extremely short. We're talking like Zeke Elliott's twenty eight and

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Speaker 3: he's unsigned, Kareem Hunt twenty eight unsigned. Like you've got

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Speaker 3: maximizing earning years from like twenty two to like twenty six,

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Speaker 3: We talked a little yesterday about Austin Eckler being unhappy.

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Speaker 3: I saw Derrick Henry got into a verbal battle with

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Speaker 3: a guy from ESPN. It's getting ugly and running backs

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Speaker 3: they feel like they're an endangered species, and I just

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Speaker 3: I don't like what happened with Barkley and Jacobs. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: I'm a fan of that team, yeah, I would not

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Speaker 3: I were the Giants or Raiders, listen, I'm not gonna

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Speaker 3: pay the guy he don't want to play on a

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Speaker 3: franchise tag. Let's move him to a team that is

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Speaker 2: The Giants made the.

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Speaker 3: Bad decision I set up before I said it at

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Speaker 3: the time. You can't pay that much for Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 3: Just remember Giants fans. The front office had so little

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Speaker 3: faith in Daniel Jones. They did not pick up his

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Speaker 3: fifth year option.

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Speaker 2: Remember they didn't, so then they all, wait a minute,

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Speaker 2: wait a minute. He was okay with Day Bowl. You know,

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Speaker 2: we got to the playoffs. We want a game. Let's

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Speaker 2: pay him, and they made that mistake. The Raiders are

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Speaker 2: in a different boat. Jacobs is their guy. He's very good.

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Speaker 3: I don't Josh McDaniels doesn't feel like he's long for

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Speaker 3: the job. Anyway, the front office still feels like a

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying without Saquon Barkley, I think the Giants

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Speaker 2: You never want to say a running.

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Speaker 3: Backs worth three wins, because the quarterback is really the

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Speaker 3: to do behind that offensive line that's very bad. With

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Speaker 3: very bleak for the Raiders and the Giants. All Right,

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Speaker 3: without further ado, let's get to our guest, Ben Verlander

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Speaker 3: of Fox Sports.

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Speaker 2: You know a guy Jason likes to think he knows

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Speaker 2: everything when it comes to sports. I know what sports

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Speaker 2: fans want, but for everything he doesn't. He knows a

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Speaker 3: Let's just say, I know a guy who knows the

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Speaker 3: guy who knows another guy. All Right, let's welcome into

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Speaker 3: he's buddies with Otani. He has I guess, the most

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Speaker 3: popular baseball podcast out there, Flipping Bats with Alex Curry.

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Speaker 2: He is Ben Verlander Fox Sports. Ben, how are you,

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Speaker 2: my man?

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Speaker 1: I'm great, jaymck I might need you to do the

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Speaker 1: intro for my show. It's like I'm best friends with show. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm the best golfer in the world, and you know

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Speaker 2: I golf with Ben once and he was unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: I had to tell everybody, Dude, this guy's probably the

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Speaker 3: best golfer I've ever golfed with, or or second best

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Speaker 3: up there for sure, but also like you know, you're

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Speaker 3: in demand now for just all these Otani takes. I'll

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Speaker 3: never forget, dude, the stuff you did last summer. I

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Speaker 3: guess with Otani, uh, and you went overseas. You are

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Speaker 3: kind of like the point person when it comes to

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Speaker 3: Otani talks, and I got you on the podcast because

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Speaker 3: it's it's getting down to make or break time for

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Speaker 1: We're look, if you were to ask me or the

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Speaker 1: You gotta trade him. I mean Mike Trout going down.

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Speaker 1: The Angels team is specifically without Mike Trout is not

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Speaker 1: We can't have years of this player who's the most

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Now that sounds just foreign to anybody,

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Speaker 3: even a baseball casual, like, how could you lose this

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Speaker 2: That's just bad business.

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Speaker 3: Is there a world where a team Seattle, the Giants,

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Speaker 2: Can that even happen.

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Speaker 1: There's definitely a world in which that happens. Yes, But

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Speaker 1: No matter what's said, there's no guarantee ever that he's

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Speaker 1: So there's absolutely a possibility to that happens.

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Speaker 3: And then there's the world where you've got three months

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Speaker 2: They can wind him and dine him. That's great, but

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Speaker 1: That's the thing for me, j Mac. I think if

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Speaker 1: And yeah, exactly like you said, you got three months

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Speaker 3: But this West Coast flavor Mariners, Giants.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's the It's been frustrating as a fan of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird.

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Speaker 2: This would be an embarrassment. We just signed Judge. Things

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Speaker 3: Come on, let's make a play for Otani. Let's give

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Speaker 1: you're below five hundred. How is that? How is that possible.

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Speaker 1: I almost think it's good for baseball to have like

437
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Speaker 1: they're the laughing stock of baseball. And that sucks to

438
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Speaker 1: say because my brother's on the team. But everybody's laughing

439
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Speaker 1: at the New York Mets because they spend all this

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Speaker 1: money and they're not very good. Say, and you have

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Speaker 1: the same thing happening on both coasts with the Mets

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Speaker 1: and the Padres. You have these two teams that spent

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Speaker 1: the most money possible and seemingly built these power teams,

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Speaker 1: these juggernaut teams, and neither are on pace to make

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, and they have become a They've become a

446
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Speaker 1: laughing stock of the league. And I would say, rightfully, so,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I watch I watch Mets games right now,

448
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Speaker 1: and it's just it's it's embarrassing the way the whole

449
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Speaker 1: team is performing with a roster the way it is

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Speaker 1: it is. It truly leaves you scratch in your head,

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Speaker 1: and it gives a lot of fans that aren't Mets

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Speaker 1: fans the reason to laugh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I got to ask what I've seen you post the

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Speaker 3: videos of your dog, you know, going up to the

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Speaker 3: TV screen when your brother's pitching. Have you have you

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Speaker 3: been able to talk to him a lot, or are

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Speaker 3: you just like, you know what, I'm gonna give him

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Speaker 3: some space. He's going through some crap. You know, he

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Speaker 3: had obviously the highs earlier in his career or even

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Speaker 3: in recent years, and now it's like, there's a tough one.

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Speaker 2: How do you handle that? Like dynamic?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we talk all the time. We talk

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Speaker 1: sometimes about baseball and sometimes not never really about the

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Speaker 1: team and the morale. I means he can deal with

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Speaker 1: that in the locker room and doesn't need to talk

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Speaker 1: about that when he leaves home. But we'll always talk

468
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Speaker 1: about his pitching. And you know, the good news of

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Speaker 1: late for him, unfortunately he missed the first month of

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Speaker 1: the season, but the good news the last two months.

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Speaker 1: You know, he had a month plus stretch where he

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Speaker 1: pitched to a one point eight r and rolled into

473
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Speaker 1: the All Star Game looking good. And then the one

474
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Speaker 1: start after the break, he four and two thirds against

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers without allowing a hit, and then ended up

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Speaker 1: running into some trouble when he walked the bases loaded

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Speaker 1: and then had to face Mookie and Freddy. But you know,

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Speaker 1: he's he's certainly feeling good, feeling better. Was throwing ninety

479
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Speaker 1: eight the other night at forty years old. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's looking good, he's looking better, But you know, he

481
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Speaker 1: trade that all for the team. You know, it's about

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Speaker 1: success of the team. And he would tell you that

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Speaker 1: he's disappointed in his season so far. And I think

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Speaker 1: that holds true for pretty much everybody on the Mets team.

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Speaker 1: Besides maybe Brandon Nemo, Francisco Alvarez and David Robertson. Everywhere

486
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Speaker 1: you look, every player on that team has been underperforming.

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Speaker 1: And that is that's not a good recipe for success

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Speaker 1: if you want to win baseball games. And the I'm

489
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Speaker 1: not doing a lot of that tough one.

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Speaker 3: I said you we could wrap up on this. I

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Speaker 3: sent you a screen grab I saw. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if it was a tweet or what, but apparently the

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Speaker 3: length of the games has shrunk so considerably this season.

494
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Speaker 3: Baseball has been sped up so much that it is

495
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Speaker 3: like one of the fastest seasons ever recorded going back

496
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Speaker 3: however many years. And I just wonder, like I've definitely

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Speaker 3: heard people tell me like baseball games are way better

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Speaker 3: to go to, much easier to watch.

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Speaker 2: How are you hearing a lot of chatter out there?

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Speaker 3: In the circles you run in, about the speed of

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Speaker 3: the game, or do players just not like it because

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Speaker 3: everything's sped up.

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Speaker 1: So this is a fun conversation to have because when

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Speaker 1: the rules first came out, and this is the case

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Speaker 1: for any change in any sport ever, but especially with baseball,

506
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Speaker 1: which sometimes struggles to adapt and change because this is

507
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Speaker 1: America's pastime and we need to play it the same way.

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Speaker 1: Well that's just not true, and if you want to

509
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Speaker 1: involve you got to adapt to the times. But these

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Speaker 1: new rules come about, and they were honestly about. They

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Speaker 1: were received about fifty to fifty heading into the year.

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Speaker 1: I remember doing a poll at the beginning of the

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Speaker 1: year and it was about fifty to fifty whether people

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Speaker 1: liked them or didn't like them. And now I think

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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball just did a poll and it's about

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Speaker 1: eighty percent love them and twenty percent are still not

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Speaker 1: on board with it. So in the first year, for

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Speaker 1: that to be the difference and how much it's swayed

519
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Speaker 1: people's opinions, I think that tells you everything you need

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Speaker 1: to know. As just of the All Star Game and

521
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Speaker 1: heard a lot of people talking about this. A lot

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Speaker 1: of the MLB folks, a lot of fans and a

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Speaker 1: lot of players. There's not a player that I've heard

524
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Speaker 1: that outwardly says like they hate these new rules. Pitchers

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Speaker 1: are liking the pitch timer. I think it affects older

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Speaker 1: pitchers a little bit more just because they've never had

527
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Speaker 1: to deal with it. A lot of the younger pitchers

528
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Speaker 1: did have to deal with it in the minors. Time

529
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Speaker 1: of game. Every player loves there's one hundred and sixty two.

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Speaker 1: If you can play it in two and a half

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Speaker 1: hours as opposed to three, great, So I think it's

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Speaker 1: I think it's doing wonders for sports or for baseball.

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Speaker 1: First game I went to this year, I was really

534
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Speaker 1: interested in it. It was actually at Dodger Stadium, and my

535
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 1: thought going there was great, it's gonna take me two

536
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Speaker 1: hours to even get up the hill and into Dodger Stadium,

537
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Speaker 1: and then an hour to even get out of it,

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Speaker 1: and then the game is gonna last two and a

539
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Speaker 1: half hours. But I was sitting in my seat and

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Speaker 1: it just feels awesome. It doesn't feel rushed, it doesn't

541
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Speaker 1: feel slow by any means. It doesn't feel like you're

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Speaker 1: out of there quickly. It just feels like there's constant action. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: which is what the game needed. And that's what it is.

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Speaker 1: That's what these rules are. It's not speeding up, it's

545
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Speaker 1: not taking out any of the game. It's putting the

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Speaker 1: same amount or more action in a more condensed amount

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Speaker 1: of time. And I think it's done wonders for the sport.

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Speaker 2: It's good. So pitchclock your brother. Have you talked to

549
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Speaker 2: him about that? I don't think he was in the

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Speaker 2: miners when they had the pitchclock not.

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Speaker 1: To Yeah, yeah, I don't. You know, I'm not even

552
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Speaker 1: sure I was born when he was in the miners,

553
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Speaker 1: but you know, I haven't asked him about it, but

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Speaker 1: I can. I can tell you know, I've watched my

555
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Speaker 1: brother since the day I was born. And I look

556
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Speaker 1: at him out there, and he's sweating harder than i've

557
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: seen him sweat before. He's doing things i've never seen

558
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: him do before, like i've seen him recently come set

559
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Speaker 1: before he gets the sign and he's like shaking as

560
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Speaker 1: he's coming set. So you can see him trying to

561
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Speaker 1: figure out how to adapt to it on the fly.

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Speaker 1: But it really does affect conditioning, and you know, pictures

563
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Speaker 1: don't run anymore as much as they used to. When

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Speaker 1: it came to pictures. You used to just run, run, run, run, run,

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Speaker 1: and now you don't see it as much anymore. But

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Speaker 1: I almost think you need to. So I definitely think

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Speaker 1: those older guys that have never dealt with it before,

568
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Speaker 1: and they're just older and physically the body changes as

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Speaker 1: you get older. I can see it. I can see

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Speaker 1: it when I watch him. I can see it on

571
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Speaker 1: his face. You know, it'll be early in the game

572
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: and he's already drenched in sweat because I think you're

573
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Speaker 1: just having to work that much more to get guys

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Speaker 1: out and to get through an inning, and then you

575
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Speaker 1: start dealing with quick innings and then you're you know,

576
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Speaker 1: you're right back out there. So I really do I

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Speaker 1: I do believe the older pictures that affects them a lot.

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Speaker 1: But every picture I've had on my show this year

579
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 1: rans and raves about it and says they love it

580
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: and think it's great for the game. So it's been

581
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Speaker 1: it's been an interesting conversation this year.

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Speaker 2: Good good time for baseball.

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Speaker 3: Indeed, all right, Ben Verland or flipping bats continued success

584
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 3: been by the way, you've been playing any hoops lately

585
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Speaker 3: or no.

586
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Speaker 1: Now, I haven't played hoops since the last time I

587
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: played with you. I golf all the time. J Mack.

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00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: We got it. We got We'll do a home at home.

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Speaker 1: You'll come golf with me. I'll go play basketball with you.

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00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 3: How about this, I'll do a top golf I can

591
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 3: hang there. I'm just hacking sweet, grip it and rip it,

592
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 3: going for the end wall.

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Speaker 2: But you're getting that with like your light work.

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00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: Right. You're not a gripp and rip kind of guy.

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00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: You don't give your golf game enough credit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's too nice. All right, Ben, take it easy.

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Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, buddy, all right, J Mack, Thanks buddy,