1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Tony. Michael, I was thinking for this episode, let's go 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: with Plan D but reverse points three and four, skip 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: over five, finishing with two. 4 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 2: How does that sound? Please stop talking. 5 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: Break from My Heart Podcast one on one Studios and 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated Studios. 7 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: This is choosing sides. 8 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 3: One. 9 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 4: Wow Wow, talk to me goose. 10 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 3: Blake, welcome, give us a little bit of insight of 11 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 3: your career journey, who you are and what you do today. 12 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 4: My name is Blake Kinsey, former F one performance engineer 13 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 4: turned content creator White Size Chop. 14 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 5: Wow. 15 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: So Michael Tony. 16 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 3: Today, with the help from our amazing expert Blake Kinsey, 17 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 3: I will put forward to you that the absolute best 18 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 3: kind of F one fan you can be is a 19 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:12,839 Speaker 3: game strategist. That racing strategy is the most fascinating thing 20 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 3: that I think you can imagine, And it's just the 21 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 3: right prism for you to approach you F one fandom. 22 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I believe you and I trust you, but 23 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: you can't control what's in my heart. 24 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 3: Well we'll say about that. 25 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 4: Oh, if you want to watch a Formula one race 26 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 4: and understand what's going on, you have two options. You 27 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 4: can watch the race lap by lap and observe what's 28 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 4: happening and say it wasn't that great. But one of 29 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 4: the best things about Formula one is the suspense, and 30 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 4: a lot of people get a lot of satisfaction of 31 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 4: having an understanding of how the game can unfold and 32 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 4: the variables, and they want to know what's going to 33 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 4: happen next because they're probably watching it with their friend 34 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 4: and it's like, watch out for Carlos, here's he needs 35 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 4: to stop soon for a new times And without that 36 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 4: kind of context, you kind of sitting there thinking what's 37 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 4: going to happen next. I think Formula one very much 38 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 4: has elements of chess, especially when you consider strategy. You 39 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 4: know you can have a plan and if somebody does 40 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 4: a different move and you do not react to that move, 41 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 4: you can end up at a disadvantage and it forces 42 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 4: your hand and it can put you in a difficult spot. 43 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 4: You know that you may not have all the information 44 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 4: you need to make that decision. But do you make 45 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 4: a pit stop to cover that car or do you 46 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 4: stay out and stick to plan A? Which one pays off? 47 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: I keep hearing all this talk about race strategy, Plan A, 48 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: Plan B, Plan C is an F one A race 49 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: start here, finish here doesn't seem very complicated to me. 50 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 3: So yes, if one is a race, start here, finish here, 51 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 3: But there's so much that happens in between that formation 52 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 3: lap and that checkered flag, which is the flag that 53 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 3: gets waived when they cross the finish line. It's also 54 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 3: so much more than just the driver. So during F 55 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 3: one weekends you will hear the commentators or on checks, 56 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 3: but it's like myself say things like, oh, probably going 57 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 3: to be expecting our one or two stop strategy, or 58 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 3: we've taken the data from the previous race last year 59 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 3: and we've got a better understanding of where we're going. 60 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 3: You're gonna hear a lot of that. And the strategies 61 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 3: are very much tied to things like tire compound choices, 62 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 3: the different racetracks, the weather forecast, and we all dedicate 63 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 3: a whole episode and dive deeper into the tires. 64 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: Please, I can't wait. That episode is where the rubber 65 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: meets the road. 66 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 3: Out moving swiftly on. There's also things during the race 67 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 3: weekend that you can't foresee for so there's these unforseeable 68 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 3: things like did we have a crash, do we have 69 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 3: a safety cart, do we have a virtual safety cart. 70 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 3: Is the weather completely different than what we expected? You'll 71 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 3: see during the free practice sessions or quality. Maybe it's 72 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 3: you know, sunshine and hot weather, and then for the 73 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 3: race on Sunday it's your rain and cloudy and gloomy. 74 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 3: Teams could also have a bad pit stop strategy. Something 75 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 3: in the wheel gun could have blocked in and they 76 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 3: don't have a two or three second pit stop, but 77 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 3: they have a four, five, six, seven picks up again 78 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 3: which flrows everything out the window. 79 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: Ricardo is sat there waiting. Did he make the call, 80 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 2: did the team make the call? Whoever made the call? 81 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:10,839 Speaker 2: The tires weren't ready. 82 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 3: So there's a myriad of things that come into play. 83 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 3: The other thing to note is that the head of 84 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 3: the team strategy and their whole team are sometimes planning months, 85 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 3: if not sometimes actually years in advance in terms of 86 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 3: what this race is going to look like. They know. 87 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 3: The idea for the strategy team is that when they 88 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 3: land on a Wednesday or Thursday for the race, they 89 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 3: know what their strategy is or what their strategy options 90 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 3: are going to be. 91 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: I have some thoughts, yeah, but my first question is 92 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: you said the head of strategy does that mean there's 93 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: multiple people devoted to the game strategy. 94 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, so Formula one teams have several strategists. There is 95 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 4: a person who is responsible for, you know, taking all 96 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 4: the information you have, you know, assistant strategists that are 97 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 4: looking at a specific car or looking at specific competitor's 98 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 4: car in relation to you, and they're helping that person 99 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 4: gather all the information they need. You're also taking information 100 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 4: that the drivers talking to the race engineer. The race 101 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 4: engineer is asking the driver about can these tires do 102 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 4: five more laps? Because despite all the data in the world, 103 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 4: we do not have particularly good metrics to say, hey, 104 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 4: can these tires do five more laps? You literally have 105 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 4: to ask the human behind the wheel, and all that 106 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 4: information gets fed into the strategist and they will make 107 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 4: a call. Very often with most teams, the team principle, 108 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 4: especially for when there's a decision which could have a 109 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 4: negative impact on the other car. You present those concisely 110 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 4: to the team principle on the pitwall and they say yes, 111 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 4: go ahead or no, I don't want that as an outcome. 112 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 2: Right. 113 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 4: The idea of the ability to predict what happens in 114 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 4: Formula One in a race in terms of a strategy 115 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 4: is absolutely down to very high levels of uncertainty. The 116 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 4: thing that you do not know, particularly with any certainty, 117 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 4: is how the tires will behave during the race. 118 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 3: How can you possibly drive this car with the tire 119 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 3: in that condition? 120 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 2: And if you're on the roads and a policeman sor 121 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: pull you over. 122 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 4: To get really geeky, you talk about something called a 123 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 4: open air simulation where you basically take your expectations of 124 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 4: the lap times that the tire is likely to do 125 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 4: as a function of its age, and you run through 126 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 4: a bunch of simulations like what if we stop on 127 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 4: this lap, but if we stop on lip lap? 128 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 2: What if you fit this tire? 129 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 4: You run a bunch of simulations and you say, what 130 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 4: is the fastest way to the end of this race? 131 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 4: And that kind of tells you a good starting point. 132 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 3: One of the strategists once said, we're looking at one 133 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 3: hundred thousand versions of permutations possible. We can't gain all 134 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 3: of them, but we've got based on our experience and 135 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 3: our knowledge, we've got a pretty good idea of what 136 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 3: are those top ten, top fifty permutations that we should 137 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 3: be spending energy and time on. 138 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: I guess they just want to feel like they're not 139 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: surprised exactly. 140 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, so when they're looking by the way, I mean, 141 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 3: this feels important to say, but kind of makes sense 142 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 3: when they're looking at all of this state and they're 143 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 3: not sat there anymore crunching it pen a piece of paper. 144 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 3: But then they're using all of these incredible simulators to 145 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 3: simulate all the different options available at them. But that 146 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 3: also leads to why we have so many tech partners 147 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 3: in Formula one, the likes of Cognizant and Salesforce and 148 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 3: you name it, because they help these teams aggregate all 149 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 3: of that data. So I think that's also why we 150 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 3: have more data analysts in Formula one today than we 151 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 3: used to back in the day. 152 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can only imagine eighty years ago. 153 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 3: That wasn't the case. 154 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: That wasn't the case. There was probably much more of 155 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. Here's the keys, go as fast 156 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: as you can. 157 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 3: You know I'm going to say this, but you bring 158 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 3: up a phenomenal test, which is I was once asked 159 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 3: where does the driver put the key once they get 160 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 3: into the car. And the fun fact is fact, even 161 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 3: though it sounds logical, I don't think I've ever heard 162 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 3: anyone actually tell me this Formula one doesn't have a key, 163 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 3: because it takes four or five people to actually kickstart 164 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 3: a Formula one, in turn the car, and to turn 165 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 3: it on. 166 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: I didn't assume the car was turned on with some 167 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: or in back of munich. Or you couldn't even have 168 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: like a lucky rabbit's foot on your keychain because it'd 169 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: be too much weight. 170 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 3: Too much way that you do have drivers that stick 171 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 3: a picture of their wives or okay, the Virgin Mary. 172 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'd want to be looking at 173 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: my wife at two hundred and twenty miles an hour, 174 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: I might it might be better to look at the 175 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: Virgin Mary. 176 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 2: Time. 177 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 4: You've gathered some data about your car. You understand what 178 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 4: you think is likely to happen with the hard, medium 179 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 4: and soft compound if you fit them during the race, 180 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 4: and you've made some predictions about how they'll behave. But 181 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 4: there's a range to those characteristics. You've also, in preparation 182 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 4: of your strategy, made assumptions of how your competitors will 183 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 4: behave in the race in terms of their tires, and 184 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,199 Speaker 4: then add the uncertainty that you have about your own car. 185 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 4: Couple that with the uncertainty of your competitor's car, and 186 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 4: then you predict that you go into the race by 187 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 4: lap five. Very often your entire stre agive plan is 188 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 4: blown out of the window, and then it becomes about 189 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 4: operational prowess reading stuff that's outside of the data, reading 190 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 4: the context, or most accurately or most correctly extrapolating from 191 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 4: the data set that you have that's been completely destroyed 192 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 4: that you thought is correct, it's now completely wrong. The 193 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 4: ability to make observations about stuff that's happening on a 194 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 4: sector bi sector basis, not a lap by lap basis. 195 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 4: Look at how other people are having how is how 196 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 4: is the other team behaving on the medium tire because 197 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 4: they've been on it for two laps and that might 198 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 4: be the right tire to be on right now. Did 199 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 4: you observe that and did you make that note that 200 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 4: it's you know, the medium tire is actually you know what, 201 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 4: it's a lot better than we thought it was before 202 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,079 Speaker 4: the race. The strategy is now changed in a complete 203 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 4: different dimension. You also have other variables, like what happens 204 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 4: when the safety car comes out. Teams at every point 205 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 4: they let's say you've got your original plan and you've 206 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 4: had a little bit of change, the tires are behaving differently, 207 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 4: so you've adjusted your plan. You've also got to say, 208 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 4: I've made all these adjustments, but now what happens if 209 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 4: we have a safety car in two laps? What do 210 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 4: we do? Don't you don't wait for the safety car 211 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 4: to happen and make the decision. You also have to say, 212 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 4: if it's a safety car, what are we doing in 213 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 4: the next five laps, and continually update that as your 214 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 4: strategy plan evolves, because those are the kind of things 215 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 4: like you know, when there's a safety car, your pit 216 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 4: stop loses you left time, but you might give up 217 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 4: track position, and do you take that or not? Can 218 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 4: you can you go to the end from that stop? 219 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 4: Do you have to make two stops if you stop here? 220 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:38,719 Speaker 4: It's all of it is hinged on uncertainty, and it's 221 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 4: reacting to that. Strategy is fascinating completely, and it's the 222 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 4: fascinating bit which makes the sport enjoyable is the chaos 223 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 4: that you have in the strategy. 224 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 1: I'm gonna also rephrase game strategy as overthinking. I mean, 225 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 1: I feel like, are they giving room for the athlete 226 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: to drive the car and feel. 227 00:10:59,000 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 2: It you know what. 228 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 3: That's actually one of my favorite things about the sport 229 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 3: is at what point do you stop strategizing and planning 230 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 3: and do you just race or do you figure out 231 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 3: like this is what we have, like go for it? 232 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 3: And at what point also do you trust the driver 233 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 3: versus what's happening. So you'll see people on the. 234 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 2: Pit will say, is any one else report in rain? 235 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 3: We're expecting rain, and the driver's like, there's rain coming 236 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 3: down on my helmet and my visor. What you're talking about, 237 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 3: we're expecting rain, the rain is happening, sounds like it's 238 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 3: just you and supporting the rain. 239 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:28,599 Speaker 2: I suspect it might be the sweat. 240 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 3: And that is a trust that gets built over time 241 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 3: before between the race engineer and the actual driver. The 242 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 3: other component of that that the race engineer knows is 243 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 3: is this a rookie driver or is this a driver 244 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 3: been driving for ten to fifteen years. The reality is 245 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 3: if it's a driver that's been driving for ten fifteen years, 246 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 3: you trust their gut instinct and what they're telling you 247 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 3: from what they're seeing. But that's also part of the communication. 248 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 3: So to your point, actually, the race engineer is the 249 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 3: only person really that talks to the driver, and the 250 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 3: driver knows who is giving him that information. But behind 251 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 3: the race engineer there's a myriad and a myriad of people. Sure, 252 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 3: one important thing that's actually also somewhat tied to the 253 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 3: cost cap is you can't bring the entire team to 254 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 3: the race weekend, so you generally have those five six 255 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 3: people on the pitwall. Then in the garage you've got 256 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 3: a bunch more engineers who are data analysts and strategists 257 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 3: and looking at what the data that they're getting on 258 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 3: their computers. But then there's a lot of people back 259 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 3: at what they call quote unquote which sounds really fancy, 260 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 3: mission control. Most of those teams are back in the 261 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 3: UK and they look at all the info that's gathered 262 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 3: and then they send that back to the people on 263 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 3: track or on the pitwall. But here's also the interesting 264 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 3: thing is you both need the people who are removed 265 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 3: from the race and the people on the pitwall and 266 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 3: the driver because you want the people who are removed 267 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 3: from everything that are able to take a step back 268 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 3: and go wait, wait, hold on a minute. We have 269 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 3: experience with this racetrack, we have experience with this web forecast. 270 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 3: This is what it's teaching us. Then you've got the 271 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 3: people at the track and go no, no, circumstances have changed, 272 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 3: and then you've got the actual driver. There's a benefit 273 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 3: to having those people remote, Tony. 274 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: I'm getting a message in my earpiece here from mission control. 275 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: They want us to pause for some advertisements. 276 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 3: Roger that we'll be. 277 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 2: Right back. 278 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 3: And back from our break and diving right into the 279 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 3: strategy episode. 280 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: I'm just not as much. I don't I'm not buying 281 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: in as much to game strategy. It's not that you're 282 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 1: not doing a good job convincing someone. It's just the 283 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: athlete brain in me is saying you've got to just 284 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: let these drivers react and race and do what they 285 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: do best. 286 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 3: But you've just said the magical word, which is react. 287 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 3: So to your point, that driver is not alone on 288 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 3: the track. They're there with nineteen other racers, and so 289 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 3: they're not just reacting to the plan and what they 290 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 3: think is going to be the best race strategy, but 291 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 3: they're also having to look at what the other hey 292 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 3: their teammates, is going to do, but also what the 293 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 3: other drivers. So it's also about understanding the strategies of 294 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 3: the nine other teams, something that I had never realized 295 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 3: there are people who sold job or a big chunk 296 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 3: of their job is listening to all of the other 297 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 3: team radios. 298 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: That'd be fun, that's fine, but you also know that 299 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 1: someone's listening to your radio. 300 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, all the teams can hear all the driver's radio 301 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 4: while they're on the circuit, you know, if they're talking 302 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 4: about some specific you know, set up stuff in the garage. 303 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 4: Once their cars are plugged into the umbilical we call them, 304 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 4: which transfers all the data. You can't hear the intercom then, 305 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 4: but when the drivers are on the track, you can 306 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 4: hear everything, and you will often hear other teams talking 307 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 4: in code. 308 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 2: Brabo Zito seven on bliss, Brabo Zito seven on. 309 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 4: We're on Plan A, we're on Plan F. 310 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 2: It's too late for Plan G. Take this work. 311 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 4: And sometimes you have to ask the driver very directly. 312 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 4: You know, there's no prescripted ways to ask how's this? 313 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 4: And you say, how's this tire behaving? 314 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 2: Would you like to have a new medium to go 315 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 2: through the traffic or prefer new heart question? 316 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 4: And the driver has to say, this tire is destroyed. 317 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 4: It's five laps old. The front right tire is gone. 318 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 4: You can't hide that from your competitors. 319 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: Come on, there's got to be some disinformation being thrown around. 320 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 4: Sometimes you can have a little bit of disinformation in 321 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 4: terms of pitstop dummy calls. 322 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 3: So you know how when they come out for the 323 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 3: pit stops, everyone's already in place and there's about twenty 324 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 3: and it's a fair amount of people. It's twenty people 325 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 3: get ready to do a pit stop. But sometimes you 326 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 3: will hear on the radio saying stay put, stay puts, 327 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 3: don't move, don't move. The idea for that is they're 328 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 3: not giving any warning that they're about to send their 329 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 3: driver into box, right, so they're asking the rest of 330 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 3: the team in the garage to not look like they're 331 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 3: getting ready, and so that's part of it. I just 332 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 3: think it's so fun. Same with the drivers, they'll say 333 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 3: hold it, hold it, hold it, and at the last 334 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 3: minute the box box box. 335 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 2: Box, I stay okay, just got it. 336 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 4: There's a little bit of that, But honestly, teams struggle 337 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 4: sometimes to tell the truth and get everything right. They're 338 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 4: not gonna play too many games and risk that going wrong. 339 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 4: And like, oh, we were just joking. I thought we 340 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 4: talked about that in the. 341 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 2: Meeting, I was at the entry man in trouble. 342 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 4: Big risk. 343 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it would be really fun to hear 344 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: the communication between an NFL football coach and the quarterback. 345 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: And that's what this feels like. Yes and f One 346 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: one of my favorite parts of the whole thing, besides 347 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: trying to figure out what S, M and H meant 348 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: thanks to all the was the was the radio communication 349 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: and now I am a communication major important to me 350 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: and it's very important that people in my life are 351 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: good communicators, not just emotional communicators, actual words. 352 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 3: What do you want? 353 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: Clarity? And that is so important at this level because 354 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: you're going twohundred miles. 355 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 3: An hour to the point here where you don't just 356 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 3: it's not with your intonation that you guess that it's 357 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 3: a question, but they actually fell out. 358 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 2: You do five more laps question question. 359 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: I love that. The other thing that's interesting military. 360 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 4: Teams have spent time with experts that are from military 361 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 4: backgrounds focusing on communication protocols and loops, so that you know, 362 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 4: the idea being say the most information you can and 363 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 4: the fewest words with no ambiguity in your message. 364 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 2: So boks, now books box, Now, how's the ballots? 365 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 4: How's the ballots, how's the balance, every touch you know, 366 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 4: and then the engineer knows what to do with that. 367 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 2: Okays? 368 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 4: Did the wealth of information and context you get from 369 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 4: that is very clear. So that's that's going back to 370 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 4: the point of you know, the driver and engineer speaking 371 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 4: a language. And that's not only that, that's clear communication 372 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 4: between the driver and engineer. To add a little bit 373 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 4: more context to that, when when let's say, my old 374 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 4: job was performance engineer, and my job was to feed 375 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 4: the race engineer with very specific information about the driver's 376 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 4: performance and the car's performance. The race engineer also needs 377 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 4: to talk to the strategist, He needs to talk to 378 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 4: the control systems engineer, the tire technician who's preparing the tires. 379 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 4: So if I'm going to tell my race engineerage, I 380 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 4: don't have two minutes to tell a message that's a 381 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 4: lap and a half. I'm going to tell him whatever 382 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 4: message I need to tell him in less than five seconds. 383 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 4: Questions have to be clear, Statements have to be clear. 384 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 4: The brakes are on fire, stop the car now is 385 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 4: a very clear message. You know that. Those are the 386 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 4: kind of things. So the breake calipers are over the 387 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 4: critical threshold. We have to do something now, you know, 388 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 4: that's a that's a that's a very critical message that 389 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 4: you need to be clear and concise intonation clarity. 390 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 3: Well, if you're Ferrari, you actually say question. 391 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 2: Can you do ten more laps with your set question? 392 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 4: You know, here's here's a good thing. Talking about communication, 393 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 4: Ferrari get a lot of abuse for when you hear 394 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 4: the race engineer apply to the driver, the driver will 395 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 4: ask the race engineer question, I. 396 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 2: Think the fuck? 397 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 4: You know. The race engineer says. 398 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 2: Good, check out, okay, copy that we are taking it. 399 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 4: And people have made a meme about that. But that 400 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 4: is a spectacular message. That message says I've heard you, 401 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 4: I've understood the question, and I'm asking the people who 402 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 4: are experts at that thing to look into that thing 403 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 4: for you on it. You know, because if you ignore 404 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 4: the driver, the drivers driving around one hundred percent flat 405 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 4: out steam coming out of the ears, did engine you 406 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 4: hear me? 407 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 2: Was my message? Clear? 408 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 4: So we're checking and usually you know, the mean misses 409 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 4: out when they come back know everything's fine, no, no, no, 410 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 4: and then the car catches on fire. No no, no. 411 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 3: Sounds like race engineers would make phenomenal husbands. I've heard you. 412 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 3: I'm actioning your request. I'll be right back. 413 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 4: I'm choosing to ignore you now. 414 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 3: At least you know what's happening. 415 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: I would assume drivers are not encouraged to text to 416 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: text and drive. 417 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 3: Not expected to check your emails during the race. 418 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: I've said a lot of emails while driving. I hate 419 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: I hate to know. 420 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 5: We had another thing. We hope our listeners will not 421 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 5: take an example of from Michael. 422 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 3: The thing that I love about all of this is 423 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 3: most people's first language is in English. 424 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 2: Right. 425 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 3: Everyone just speaks bad English and everything gets lost in 426 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 3: communication and translation. And it's kind of wild that these 427 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 3: drivers are expected to make decisions on communication that the 428 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 3: beat of a second. 429 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: Do they all agree to use English just because it's 430 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: the most universal, or do they have to? 431 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 3: They have to Two reasons for that. One is broadcast rights, 432 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 3: so that everyone who tunes in can actually get it 433 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 3: in this what they call the default language. 434 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 1: Which is English. 435 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 3: I believe the two accepted most widely accepted languages across 436 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 3: the paddock is actually English, French and Italian a lot 437 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 3: because of Ferrari. 438 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 2: Right. 439 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 3: But as we discussed, hasantoness Andomobile is actually a French federation, 440 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 3: So French is a big you know, a big, big 441 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 3: language throughout the paddock. 442 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: As well, even like communication. Yeah, this human component is 443 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: so important in this sport. Yes, that's pretty cool. Yes, 444 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. You know in the sport I come 445 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: from tennis. The coach they're now allowed to coach. That's 446 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: a new and they're kind of just they're kind of 447 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: going like move forward, you know, they do the thing 448 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 1: with their hand or it's like back up. But it's 449 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: like it's like Caveman communicating. You listen to an F 450 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: one race and it's like they have secret codes they've 451 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: met on what plan this means? You know, it's at 452 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: such a heightened level. I think if we were all 453 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: honest with ourselves, we would admit that when we drive 454 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: our cars and talk on the phone, we're bad at both. 455 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: I'm bad on the phone and I'm bad driving or 456 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: I'm worse, like it's made me worse. Maybe not a 457 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: bad driver on the phone, but I'm not as a tune. 458 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:42,479 Speaker 1: And these drivers are driving competitive professionally for money two 459 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: hundred miles an hour and having a very direct, quick 460 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: conversation with somebody. 461 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 4: It's a skill. The ability to drive a racing car 462 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 4: at two hundred plus miles an hour, you know, insane 463 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 4: cornering and breaking forces on the body, feeling what's happening. 464 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 4: They're physically exerting themselves in there, perceiving what the car 465 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 4: is doing and how the car is behaving, and then 466 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 4: they're thinking of something else that the engineer asked them 467 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 4: about a corner ago, replying to that while still continually 468 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 4: processing all that information as they're going around the track. 469 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 4: And we refer to that as bandwidth or CPU. That 470 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 4: a driver has. A driver that's able to drive quickly, 471 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 4: perceive what the car is doing, be able to tell 472 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 4: an engineer what the car is doing if they're asked, 473 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 4: and then also engage in a conversation about something else 474 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 4: is happening. Drivers that have a high bandwidth or high 475 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 4: big CPU, they can do all of that. Some drivers 476 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 4: might struggle a little bit at first. For example, I 477 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 4: talked to Liam Lawson the other day about his first 478 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 4: time driving the Alpha TOWERI and he told me that 479 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 4: he spent the entire time between when he knew that 480 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 4: he was going to drive the Alpha Tower car until 481 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 4: he got into the car talking to the engineers about 482 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 4: the switches and settings, an operation of the steering wheel 483 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 4: in the car. 484 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 3: Can you learn that? Is that a skill that you 485 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 3: can acquire? You don't, or you do? You come to 486 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 3: the table with that skill. 487 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 4: I think you learn it once you get really good 488 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 4: at the driving the car fast bit, your CPU load 489 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 4: reduces and then you have more capacity to take on 490 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 4: board other things. But we've even seen max or staping 491 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 4: at times. Don't tell me lat of times. Leave me alone. 492 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 4: I need to get to the end. 493 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 2: Please stop talking about it. The breaking. 494 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 3: This is why I can't wait. And this is cheeky, 495 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 3: but this is why I can't wait for us to 496 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 3: have actually more women on the grid because they're phenomenal 497 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 3: at multitasking, and so I'm just like, if men are 498 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 3: capable of doing that, just you wait until the women 499 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 3: who are so used to multitasking come there and who 500 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 3: have great communication skills. 501 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 1: Well, I was going to add a little communication dig there, 502 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 1: but that's something we'll say for a season three. 503 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see. 504 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, you said like one stop, two stops. That's referring 505 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: to pit stops, correct, And why is that such a 506 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: big difference because the pit stops I've seen a Formula 507 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: one are under two seconds. 508 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 3: So there's two ways to look at the pit stop. 509 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 3: There's the pit stop which is the changing of the wheels. 510 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 3: Nowadays we don't refuel and we don't change anything else 511 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 3: unless there's a crash and you need to change the 512 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 3: wing as well. 513 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: So it we're just because they're not allowed to refuel. 514 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 3: Right, not allowed to refuel. That was banned and brought 515 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 3: back then band the gap mostly for safety reasons. Just 516 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 3: we had some actually yos for staff and Max with 517 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 3: Stappen's father got into a terrible pit stop crash refueling 518 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 3: moment which wasn't pretty. 519 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: Flash Oh my goodness me, Well now, just let's keep calm. 520 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 5: Didn't stop him from sending his son. 521 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: Didn't wait, So you're racing on the same tank of 522 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 1: gas the whole time. 523 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 3: Yes, And you bring up another point, which is when 524 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 3: we're thinking about the permutations of the strategy, you need 525 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 3: to account for the car in fact, where the car 526 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 3: gets light and light. So that's crazy, which is why, 527 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 3: by the way, if you've ever looked when they do 528 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 3: their times during quality or free practice, sess they're doing 529 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 3: it on a much lighter tank because they're only using 530 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 3: what they need for that quality session, which means also 531 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 3: that the car is lighter, which means they can go 532 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 3: a little bit faster. 533 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I've looked at these cars. I don't see 534 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: how they could fit enough gas to go three hundred 535 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,719 Speaker 1: kilometers at that at that highest speed. 536 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 3: It's interesting and I'm we will need experts to help 537 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 3: us on this. 538 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 2: Finally. 539 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: Nice to have an expert around. 540 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 541 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 4: Fuel strategy was one of my old jobs when I 542 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 4: was a performance engineer at the track. So my job 543 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 4: was to say how much fuel do we need to 544 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 4: put in the car? Are we going to have to 545 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 4: save fuel during this race and communicate that clearly with 546 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,479 Speaker 4: the engineering drivers say, hey, we filled the tanks and 547 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 4: you're going to have to lift and coasts at the 548 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 4: end of every straight for the start of the race 549 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,959 Speaker 4: to save fuel, you know, and that's a really important thing. 550 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 4: Lifting and coasting is a very efficient way to save 551 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 4: fuel without losing lap time. And that's your goal. Go 552 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 4: as least slow as possible, right, So you know that 553 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 4: is fine, and then you say, right, well, we're saving 554 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 4: fe fue following this car. You know, we're not going 555 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 4: as quickly as we thought, We're not burning as much fuel. 556 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 4: How does that impact our fuel strategy? Okay, do we 557 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 4: you know what, We're going to not have to save 558 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 4: fuel later in the race as a result of following 559 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 4: this car or something else has happened. Or let's say again, 560 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 4: going back to the slow car. Let's say that you're 561 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 4: five years ago in your car at the back of 562 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 4: the field. You're not going to do the entire race distance. 563 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 4: You might finish a lap down so you can take 564 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 4: literally one whole lapse worth of fuel out. 565 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 2: Of the car. 566 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 4: Do you do that or not? Because if there's a 567 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 4: safety car, you might be back on the lead lap, 568 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 4: but you will have saved fuel under the safety car, 569 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 4: so there's all sorts of kuld it would have should 570 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 4: us in the very rarely I think in modern Formula 571 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 4: one can you be a hero by being aggressive on 572 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 4: fuel because there is no refueling. 573 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 3: You also need to ensure that you finished a race 574 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 3: with at least one litter of fuel in your tank 575 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 3: so that the FIA that bring back the FIA can 576 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,479 Speaker 3: test to ensure that they're using the right kind of 577 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 3: fuel that they will allow you to use. If you 578 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 3: do not finish the race and you don't still have 579 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 3: a liter of fuel your race is done for. 580 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 5: Right, lots of pickup on the way, lots of pickup 581 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 5: slow on the way in safe you safe? 582 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: That's very cool. Yeah, insane planning to have it be 583 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: that way. 584 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 2: That's it. 585 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:17,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. 586 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 3: Going back to the pit stops though, yes, two aspects 587 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 3: to know about the pit stops. You've got the actual 588 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 3: pit stop changing of the tires, which that is generally 589 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 3: sub two seconds, that's what they aim for. I think 590 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 3: the fastest here was one point eight second. 591 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: Change all four wheels in one point eight seconds. Can 592 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: we stop for a second just to appreciate that. 593 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 5: Why don't we actually stop for one point eight seconds? 594 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,880 Speaker 5: So ready and we're done. 595 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 1: Boom. 596 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 3: Then you've got the actual pit stop time, which is 597 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 3: going into the pit lane driving slower because you have 598 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 3: to obviously load in coming out, and that's round fifteen 599 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 3: to twenty seconds. So there's two ways of looking at 600 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 3: So when you think about a one pit stop or 601 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 3: two pit stop, it also depends on which tie you've 602 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 3: got on. You have to change your tires at once 603 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 3: and do soft compound or hard compound or medium compound. 604 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 3: And there's a whole conversation that we will have about 605 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,919 Speaker 3: that in the tire episode or to do it, but 606 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 3: you basically map out that on a soft tire they 607 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 3: will last less long, but you will go faster than 608 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 3: on a hard compound tire. And so this is some 609 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 3: part of the game theoryus, do we do soft tires 610 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 3: where we can faster, but we're definitely gonna have to 611 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 3: do two pit stops to then change them on to 612 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 3: something else, Or do we start with hard tires where 613 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 3: they're going to last a lot longer, but we're gonna 614 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 3: go not as fast. And so you're trying to game 615 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 3: also what everyone else is doing, which is why when 616 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 3: you watch a race you will see next every name 617 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 3: if they've got a h or if they've got an 618 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 3: s an M to tell you what tires they are. 619 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: Right, Well, yeah, it's a lot. 620 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 3: It a lot. 621 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: I do wonder there's so many more people personnel staff 622 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: than the driver. Yeah, but the driver actually has in 623 00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: this case his hands on the wheel. Is the driver 624 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: just a pawn in this game? I mean, clearly, these 625 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: are super ego athletes who believe they should be at 626 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: the helm of a rocket ship. Ye, so you got 627 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: to let them do their thing. But basically you're saying 628 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: the game strategist is like, hey, do this turn left here? 629 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: You're pitting here. So if F one is a chess game, 630 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: then these drivers are just the pawns. Is that what 631 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: you're saying, No, I let me just check in with 632 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: the game strategists and I'll do whatever they tell me. 633 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 4: That is a great, great question, because at the end 634 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 4: of the day, the driver can say I would like 635 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 4: to do forty laps on this soft tire. It's like, hey, buddy, 636 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 4: we've looked at your teammates or your competitors. They're doing 637 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 4: fifteen laps on that tire. You could do sixteen. If 638 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 4: you do twenty laps on this tire, you're going to 639 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 4: lose four positions done. You know that those are the 640 00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 4: kind of conversations and through time you build up poor 641 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 4: between the driver and engineer. And at the same time, 642 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 4: also the drivers have a reasonable understanding of expectations and 643 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,959 Speaker 4: then leave it to the engineers to help refine those 644 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 4: expectations as they learn more during a race or during 645 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 4: a season. But yeah, the drivers for sure have ultimately 646 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 4: say and very many times you will do things that 647 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 4: don't make sense because the data says this isn't possible. 648 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 4: The driver says, no, don't worry, I can definitely do 649 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 4: five more laps. You trust the driver on those situations 650 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 4: very often, but they don't know everything. 651 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 3: I actually don't know of any other sport where the 652 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 3: main athlete celebrates the rest of their team as much 653 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 3: as they do. In Formula One, you will often hear 654 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 3: even Max wist happened that gets a lot of hate. 655 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 3: More or less every race, at the end of every race, 656 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 3: will say. 657 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 2: What an unbelievable today. That was so enjoyable to drive. 658 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 3: Thank you to the team. That was a great pull, 659 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 3: that was phenomenal, strategy, strategy, well executed. 660 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 2: I think up really proud. That was unbelievable. 661 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 3: And he's not the only one. Lewis Hamilton is the same. 662 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 3: Charle Leclair carlor signs. They all generally, when they have 663 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 3: a really good race, you will hear them say phenomenally 664 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 3: well executed, that was the great call. Or when it's bad, 665 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 3: they'll say, hey, we need to rewhoop and we talk, 666 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,719 Speaker 3: you know, and talk about this. This wasn't good. I 667 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 3: think it's one of those that we can't. You can 668 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 3: build the fastest car in the world if you don't 669 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 3: have the right driver. Great you've got a fastest car 670 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 3: that's not going anywhere. You can have the best strategists 671 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 3: in the world that can play out the whole thing. 672 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 3: But if the race engineer isn't taking the right decision 673 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 3: and communicating that to the driver in the right time, 674 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 3: and the drivers and executing, then what's the point? And 675 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 3: I think it's that connection between all of those pieces 676 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 3: that just makes this sports so as big Tag, even 677 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 3: the logistical team are Formula one if the car parts 678 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 3: are not arriving on time. Fun fact, all teams can 679 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 3: only start unloading all of their cargoes and opening everything 680 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 3: once everyone has received their cargo. So if there's a 681 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 3: team that's delayed, everyone is delayed, which again I like, 682 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 3: it's like you know, and they'll talk about. 683 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: It, you forgot to pack the steering wheel. Shit, the 684 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: whole race. 685 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 3: Is canceled and you will Actually, I know this is 686 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 3: not the strategist and this is more the engineers, but 687 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 3: the engineers and the mechanics will often talk about the 688 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 3: camaraderie amongst the teams. They're like, on the track, we 689 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 3: take it all out on the track. We are not friends, 690 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 3: we are folks. We are enemies. One of us is winning. 691 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 3: Everyone else is not winning. But if you miss a 692 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 3: hammer or a screw driver or component, yeah we're going 693 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 3: to help you because if we were in that situation. 694 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 3: So there's a camaraderie there amongst the teams, and I 695 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 3: think you can see that on the team as well. 696 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: Starting to feel like a huge team sport. 697 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 4: Oh my god, that's so perfect. And it is a 698 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 4: team sport. And it goes back to the first part 699 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 4: of the conversation we had. You have the driver, you 700 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 4: have the car, and you have the team. Operationally, all 701 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 4: three of those things have to be in harmony. Otherwise, 702 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 4: the best driver in the world, with the best car 703 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 4: in the world on the worst strategy will not win. 704 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what else isn't going to win a 705 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: podcast with no funding. 706 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 3: Yes, let's break restponsors and we'll be right back. And 707 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 3: we're back. 708 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: So this seems obvious, but game strategy is about decisions 709 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: made during the race. 710 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 4: No, yeah, there's there's there's a whole like, yeah, that's 711 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 4: really good because when we talk about strategy, we're talking 712 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 4: about stuff in isolation. But you have other strategic considerations. 713 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 4: For example, teams are limited by the number of power 714 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 4: units or you know the engine and electrical systems together. 715 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 4: What if you could find half a second lap of performance, 716 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 4: but you had to fit five more engines. And when 717 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 4: you fit a certain amount of engines outside of re allocation, 718 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 4: you start taking grid penalties. So there's definitely times in 719 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 4: which you're considering that. Even bigger strategies and considering the 720 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 4: broader scope of the season is developments. For example, which 721 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 4: car upgrades are you going to bring? Where do you 722 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 4: want to bring a new car package to a weekend 723 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 4: when you only get one practice session, or let's say 724 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 4: the first half of the season is all tracks that 725 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 4: want a lot of downforce. Are you going to develop 726 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 4: a wing for your car that's low downforce in the 727 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 4: first part of the season. Now you're waiting until you 728 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 4: need that low downforce wing. You don't need your huge 729 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 4: wing until Monaco and that covers you for Singapore. You 730 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 4: don't need your super low wing until Spa or Manza, 731 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,439 Speaker 4: which covers you for the other one of those. But yeah, 732 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 4: So understanding the season as a whole, understanding what's important 733 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 4: when also influences stuff that's happening at a factory in 734 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 4: terms of the design and build of these cars. Rather 735 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 4: than what's happening on the weekend. And that's a whole 736 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 4: different strategy and a whole different caniforms. 737 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: So not just hey, pitstop and right now. They're also 738 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 1: looking at overall everything building the team. It's getting the 739 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: right driver. 740 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 3: Blah blah blah, everythink that's like a data point they 741 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 3: are looking at and bringing in. Teams are always looking 742 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 3: to which is what I love, Always looking at the 743 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 3: next thing. They're like, cook, or we've got we've got 744 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 3: this car, what does next year's car look like? And 745 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 3: that's what was interesting by this year is twenty twenty two. 746 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 3: There was the biggest overhaul of changes and the car 747 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 3: was fundamentally different than anything that we'd seen before. And 748 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 3: some people, some teams were going to you know, come 749 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 3: out the door swinging and have a phenomenal teams and 750 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 3: phenomenal car, and some teams were going to come out 751 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 3: and go, oh, we missed it, like pretty badly. But 752 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 3: that's what was exciting about this season in twenty twenty 753 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 3: three because everyone was able to go back to the 754 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,959 Speaker 3: drawing board and go, Okay, cool, we know what works, 755 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,399 Speaker 3: we know what doesn't. If something did work, let's focus 756 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 3: on that more but it is always like a forward thinking, 757 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 3: future thinking sports. 758 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: You know, none of this communication can happen if the 759 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: internet is lousy. Oh yeah, that's is that where that 760 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,320 Speaker 1: fall under the logistic party. 761 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 3: I see getting the cable set up cables at this 762 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 3: at these races are insane. They the cable guys and 763 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 3: then mostly men. But the cable teams arrive on the 764 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 3: Monday day before like the next day. 765 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: They arrive Monday, but they give you a window and 766 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 1: they show up between twelve and. 767 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 3: They show up at seven am and they're laying the cables. 768 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 5: I wish cable would logistics is everything? 769 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 2: Okay? 770 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: All this determined? Woulds? 771 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 3: I'll be the judgment judge. Yeah, if you think the 772 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 3: cable management system we have got going here is is 773 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 3: you know. 774 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 1: Tricky and the law you wait, yeah, I do find 775 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: it interesting to learn about F one strategy. A lot 776 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: of this is new to me. There's a lot of factors, 777 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 1: ins and outs that never would have occurred to me. 778 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: And I'm realizing now going forward, maybe we could have 779 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 1: a new strategy. You just tell me what to do 780 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: and I'll do it. I'll be a good little George 781 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 1: Russell and I'll go pit whenever you want me to. 782 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 3: So we're going back to plan A. Then I'm going 783 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:50,280 Speaker 3: to need communication. 784 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,879 Speaker 1: I'm going to need a yes, back to plan A 785 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 1: non question, non statement. 786 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 5: This has been Choosing Sides f one, a production of 787 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:15,799 Speaker 5: Sports Illustrated Studios, iHeart Podcasts and one oh one Studio Podcasts. 788 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 5: The show is hosted by Michael Costa and Tony Cowan Brown. 789 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,760 Speaker 5: This episode was edited, scored, and sound designed by senior 790 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 5: producer Jojai may Thaddle. Scott Stone is the executive producer 791 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 5: and head of Audio, and Daniel Wexman is Director of 792 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 5: Podcast Development and Production Manager at one o one Studios. 793 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,399 Speaker 5: At iHeart Podcasts, Sean Titne is our executive producer. And 794 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 5: a special thank you to Michelle Newman, David Glasser, and 795 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 5: David Hootkin from one o one Studios. For more shows 796 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,800 Speaker 5: from iHeart Podcasts, go visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts 797 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 5: or wherever you get your podcasts, and whatever you do, 798 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 5: don't forget to rate us and tell your friends it 799 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 5: really does mean a lot. 800 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,320 Speaker 3: Next week, on Choosing Sides f one, the Data Analyst, 801 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 3: we will go into why some Formula one fans like 802 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,439 Speaker 3: watching the race with not one, not two, not three, 803 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 3: but at least five to ten different screens open simultaneously. 804 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 1: Wow yep. 805 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,919 Speaker 3: And also why some of the nerdier or shall we say, 806 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,760 Speaker 3: more tech savvy fans are reverting to writing specific code 807 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 3: to actually help them watch and understand and ultimately enjoy 808 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 3: the pinnacle of motorsports to its fullest. 809 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: What yep, that's that's too much. 810 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,439 Speaker 3: We've only got one screen like. 811 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: Writing code to enjoy. Okay, we'll get into it, Si 812 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 1: Moll