1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Hey there, everybody. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. TJ. 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: Holmes here sing alongside my partner Amy Robot. We have 3 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: been giving a close close eye on this Didty trial. 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: We are now in week two, the first the second 5 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: full week of testimony in the trial. We saw yesterday 6 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: on Monday. Three people Robes are on the stand. A 7 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: former member of Danity Kine, a former best friend of 8 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: Cassie Ventura, and a former assistant to Sean Diddy Combs. 9 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: I'll ask you this first, what in all the testimony 10 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: from the previous day just jumped out at you, you 11 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: know what. 12 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 2: It might be an unexpected answer, because I know we 13 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 2: got so many bombshells from both Dawn and Carrie, but 14 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 2: I actually felt something deeply when I heard from David James, 15 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 2: that was Sean Diddy Combe's former assistant, and he was 16 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: being asked about the culture, about what he witnessed, what 17 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: he saw and what he over and he talked in 18 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 2: one moment during his testimony about overhearing Ditty talking about 19 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 2: the two main women in his life, Kim Porter, who 20 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 2: was the mother of his children, and Cassie Ventura, who 21 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: at the time was his girlfriend and someone asked him, Hey, 22 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 2: how's Kim, how's Cassie, And according to David James testimony, 23 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 2: he said that Ditty said, Kim, Kim's my queen. 24 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: She's good Cassie. 25 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 2: I got her just where I want her. She's young, 26 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: and she's mouldable and she'll do what I say. I mean, 27 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 2: I'm paraphrasing, but paraphrasing, But that broke my heart, just 28 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: to see how he cared about Cassie, which to me 29 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 2: meant very little. He was there to manipulate her. He 30 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: was there, according to David James testimony, to get what 31 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 2: he wanted from her. But this was not something that 32 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: someone who loves someone would say. I got her just 33 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 2: where I want her. I was listening to that. I 34 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: was actually so listening to that while I was running 35 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 2: as I was hearing a recap of the testimony, and 36 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 2: I actually it took my breath away. It just made 37 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: me feel so much sadness for Cassie because here she was, 38 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 2: according to her, loving him, doing his bidding, doing anything 39 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 2: the unthinkable, even doing things physically to her body that 40 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 2: she says she didn't want to do, from drugs to 41 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 2: NonStop sex to putting her physical and mental health completely 42 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: on the line for this man that she adored and loved, 43 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: and that is what he said about her to someone 44 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 2: behind her back, and it just for me was a 45 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:40,519 Speaker 2: powerful moment to hear his level of disregard for her. 46 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: And they started up on to start the week Monday. 47 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: Don Richard, a lot of people might know that name 48 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: from Danny Kane. She does have a lawsuit, a civil 49 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: lawsuit against Diddy right now. But she started her testimony 50 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: on Friday. She was the first one up after Cassie Ventura. 51 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: Cassie finally wrapped on Friday and Don continued on Monday. Now, 52 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:08,679 Speaker 1: she was able to corroborate some some of the stories 53 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: of violence. She was able to tell stories of actually 54 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: seeing a couple of scenes, one in particular having to 55 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: do with a frying pan and eggs that went at 56 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: Cassie's head that she said did he attack her? So 57 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: they were able to corroborate a lot of that. However, 58 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot of questions about her stories and frankly, 59 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: if they line up, if they match up, there's a 60 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: lot of questions and look in cross examination, they did 61 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: their job and she seemed to have different stories of 62 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: different recollections. I think that's going to she will not 63 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: be remembered as a slam dunk witness for the prosecution. 64 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: It's interesting that the prosecution chose to put her up 65 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: on the stand. As you pointed out, she has a lawsuit. 66 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 2: She filed a lawsuit against Sean Dittycombs, and so she 67 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 2: has a lot of these allegations already in writing legal 68 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 2: writing so that they can be referenced and cross reference 69 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 2: and re examined. And so one of the big headlines 70 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: that she had in her lawsuit was bringing in other celebrities, 71 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,119 Speaker 2: which of course is going to make even bigger headlines, 72 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,839 Speaker 2: people like Neo and Usher saying that they were there 73 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 2: at a restaurant, and in her lawsuit, in her civil lawsuit, 74 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 2: she claims they saw Sean Detecombe's punch Cassie Ventura at 75 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 2: a restaurant in the stomach, as she had when she 76 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 2: got up on the stand under cross examination, she backtracked 77 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 2: and said, well, I don't know if they saw it. 78 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 2: That's a big deal, and that's huge because to make 79 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 2: that claim in a lawsuit and then to get on 80 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: the stand at a criminal trial and say maybe they 81 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 2: didn't see it, I'm not sure what they saw or 82 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 2: what they didn't say. That's a huge, huge discredit to 83 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 2: her and her testimony. 84 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: And this is tough, and everybody should be reminded to 85 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: be careful with these things and be careful before you 86 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: just retweet something or put something out there. You have 87 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: two folks, you got Usher and Neo. Look, we actually 88 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: don't know, but it's being reported or the sentiment is 89 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: out there that these two guys saw a woman being 90 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: physically abused and did nothing. That's the storyline based on 91 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: things coming out of this trial that, like you just said, 92 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: she now backtracked. Well, they were there, but I don't 93 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: know if they actually saw it. That's a much different thing. 94 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: And that lends to the credibility now of this witness, 95 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: maybe in her civil suit in addition to this criminal case. 96 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: So that was one that certainly got a big headline. 97 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: But the other one Robes was about the sunglasses. 98 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 2: Right, So she claimed that because they knew that Cassie 99 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 2: had been punched in the eye and had a black eye, 100 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 2: that in solidarity with her, they all decided to wear 101 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 2: sunglasses with her so she wouldn't stand out. And so 102 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 2: she spoke of seeing the injuries seeing the black eye, 103 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 2: and that certainly backed up and corroborated what we heard 104 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 2: from Cassie where she had to change her dresses, change 105 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 2: her makeup, where sunglasses to try and hide bruises and 106 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 2: injuries that she says she received from Diddy. 107 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: And they did actually use a photo in court. She 108 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: uses one as an exhibit showing Don Rochard and Cassie 109 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: somewhere out in public they all had dark sunglasses on. 110 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: And look, that is pretty damning evidence. It looks backs 111 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: up that particular claim. But I think it's being an 112 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: I'm not the legal expert. I can only tell you 113 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: what legally folks are saying. She just wasn't a great prosecution. 114 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 2: With this right. She had some things that certainly helped 115 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 2: out the testimony or corroberate the testimony of Ventur, but 116 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 2: she also did a lot of things, unfortunately with her inconsistencies, 117 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 2: to do damage to the credibility of what she was saying. Therefore, 118 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 2: it is I am curious as to why the prosecution 119 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 2: chose to put her on the stand knowing what they knew. 120 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 2: I mean, they do these look, they go through they 121 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 2: go through the testimony, they go through possible cross examination 122 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 2: with their witnesses so that they're prepared to not discredit 123 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 2: what they just testified. So I am just curious how 124 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 2: that was lost and how the prosecution missed that possible 125 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 2: maybe not? 126 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: Was the line a good lawyer, you never asked a 127 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: question you don't already know the answer to, right, So 128 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: they shouldn't have been surprised by anything that she actually 129 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: stand in court. 130 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, and where Dawn was perhaps who knows how you 131 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 2: would describe if it hurt the prosecution's case, if it 132 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 2: helped it, or if it was perhaps even neutral. I 133 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 2: think by all accounts, when people read and heard what 134 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 2: Carrie Morgan, who was the best friend of Cassie Ventura, 135 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 2: had to say on the stand, she certainly helped the 136 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 2: prosecution's case. This was a woman who from the beginning 137 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 2: said she didn't want to be there, someone who would 138 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 2: cut off all ties with Cassie and with Sean Dittycombs 139 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: after she personally says she experienced physical harm. She personally 140 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 2: says the Ditty assaulted her, choked her, and then boomeranged 141 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 2: and threw a coat hanger, a wooden coat hanger, so 142 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 2: hard at her head that she actually says she got 143 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: a concussion. It was at that point that she said 144 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 2: sea By never want to be a part of this 145 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 2: and pulled away. Cassie ended up, according to Carrie Morgan, 146 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 2: offering her through Ditty, thirty thousand dollars and an NDA 147 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 2: to sign for it all to go away, and she 148 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 2: says she took it and she's never spoken to them since. 149 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 2: But she certainly saw a lot before all that went on, 150 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 2: and she testified to it in court. 151 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: This was I asked you at the top of the 152 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: when we started this episode, what stood out to you, 153 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: and this young lady, Carrie Morgan is the one that 154 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: stood out to me. Yes, she doesn't have a civil lawsuit, 155 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: but she in her testimonies made clear she didn't even 156 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: want to be there. Oh when she said, I'm only 157 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 1: here because I got subpoena and where's the line and 158 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to find it? You all bear with hi. 159 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: I'm looking through my note here. But she said I 160 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: have moved on with my life away from all these 161 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: people and the problems. There is a consistent theme that's 162 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: emerging in doing deeper dives into this story where there 163 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: were so many people looking for a way out, like 164 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: so many people wanted to escape some environment of some kind, 165 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: and some got away and never wanted to look back. 166 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: Others got away and still dealing with scars and have 167 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: lawsuits whatever, and all that's fine, But this young lady 168 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 1: came off in a particular way in that line, in particular, 169 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: like I don't want anything to do with these people, 170 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: and I'm only here because you all are requiring me 171 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: to do so. 172 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 2: And you know, to know that she was best friends 173 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 2: with Cassie for seventeen. 174 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: Years and did it immediately. 175 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 2: And now they don't speak, but what she did speak 176 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 2: to and what she did see there were, oh my goodness, 177 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 2: this scene she was describing after some sort of violent 178 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 2: altercation would take place where she said, did he assaulted Ventura, 179 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 2: That Ventur would be running away from him, and that 180 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 2: they would be hiding for what she said seemed like 181 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: hours to get away from him. And yet every time 182 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 2: she saw her friend Cassie go back to him ultimately 183 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 2: when things had calmed down, when things had settled down. 184 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 2: But imagine hiding from the man you say you love 185 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 2: for hours because you're so afraid for your life. That 186 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 2: is what she described, if. 187 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: She described I mean, this was. 188 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 2: The the. 189 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: She was there. She saw Cassie the night of the 190 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: hotel incident. The video we've all seen. This is another look. 191 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: This girl gets some chilling testimony. This young lady did. 192 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: But she said she saw Cassie that night after Diddy 193 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: had assaulted her in the hallway. And this is not 194 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: one we can question you. 195 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 2: We don't have to say alleged. 196 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: This is not alleged. We saw her beat her up, 197 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: and I saw him beat her up in the hallway, 198 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: said this witness. Cary Morgan said she was with Cassie 199 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: later that night. They were at home and Diddy came. 200 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: That was the same night of the attack Diddy Kane 201 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: and was banging on the door with a hammer violently, Yes, 202 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: trying to get in. While this was going, Carrie Morgan 203 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: tested that she was out of her She didn't know 204 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: what to do. I guess she was freaking out. She said. 205 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: Cassie sat on the couch quietly and did not move. 206 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: She testified that she didn't think she cared Cassie cared 207 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: if Diddy came in and killed her or not. 208 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 2: Yes, that was so chilling. And she started calling around 209 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 2: to the different you know folks within Ditty's in her 210 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 2: circle to try and handle it. Not the police, not 211 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 2: anyone else. 212 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: No, nobody called the police. 213 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 2: But eventually someone did. She doesn't know who did, because 214 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 2: she said a little while ago, yes, a little while later, 215 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 2: excuse me. Police did show up and Cassie refused to 216 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 2: press charges, to give a statement, to say what happened, 217 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 2: and so that was the end of it. This was 218 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 2: also chilling. Morgan said that when she met Ventura all 219 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 2: those years ago, that she was such a confident young woman, 220 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 2: that she was a very confident women woman. But over 221 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 2: the course of their friendship all the way up to 222 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, she completely lost her confidence. And she said 223 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 2: she heard Sean Ditty Calmbs criticize Cassie's appearance, how she behaved, 224 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 2: who she talked to. She said he controlled everything, and 225 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 2: she said including Ventura's job, her car, her apartment. He 226 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 2: controlled everything. She says, she would have lost all of 227 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 2: her livelihood, and she would have lost her friends, and 228 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 2: that was also her circle, her circle of support. Even 229 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 2: everything would have been gone had she left Diddy. Just 230 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 2: to give the perspective of where Cassie Ventura was and 231 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 2: how she found herself literally stuck. 232 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: Again, I have commended people who have come out of 233 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: been talking during this trial, not just folks on the 234 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: witness stand, but folks we have talked to in covering this, 235 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: and again I'm saying a theme has come out. We've 236 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: been talking to Auberry O'Day, who was also a member 237 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: of Danny Kane, and to hear her talk about she's 238 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: been trying to get out of this for twenty years 239 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: and she sometimes she doesn't even recognize who she is. 240 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 1: Those stories, and we've talked to other people who are 241 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: claimed to be victims who have been in that circle. 242 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: They all seem like different individuals from before they ever 243 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: got involved with Diddy. 244 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 2: They seem I think traumatized is even not powerful powerful 245 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 2: enough of a word. They seem like they've lost a 246 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 2: part of themselves. They don't even know who they are 247 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:21,319 Speaker 2: anymore after having experience what they say they've experienced. You 248 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 2: know something else that's really important from a legal perspective, 249 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 2: something that Carrie Morgan was able to testify to. She 250 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 2: said that when she witnessed extreme physical violence she claims 251 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 2: between Combs and Ventor, Combs assaulting Ventura on two different occasions. 252 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 2: She said, on those two occasions, Combs was not intoxicated 253 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 2: and he was not high during those times, and that 254 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 2: is something that the defense is going to lean on. 255 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: We expect that Sean Diddy Combs isn't as responsible for 256 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 2: what may or may not have happened because he was 257 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 2: so messed up. He was so high, he was so 258 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 2: hopped up on drugs that he didn't even know what 259 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 2: he was doing. Carrie Morgan said, nahh on what I saw, 260 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 2: on the moments and the incidents that eye witnessed, he 261 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 2: was stone cold, sober. 262 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: And look, there was an incident that Cassie described last 263 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: week in which she said she had to take Diddy 264 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: to the hospital he overdosed on something. So the defense 265 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 1: is trying to I don't know how much it helped. 266 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: This was an addict who was behaving this way. This 267 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: wasn't a man in his right mind. Who knows if 268 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: that plays with the jury. But Carrie's testimony was we 269 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: called it bombshell after bombshell with Cassie, Carrie lended alt. 270 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: She lent a lot of credibility. 271 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, especially, like you said, knowing that she didn't want 272 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 2: to be there, knowing that she's never filed a lawsuit, 273 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 2: and knowing that she's never spoken about it before now 274 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 2: until she was compelled to buy law. 275 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: So today, as we said, as we're recording, it's a 276 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: Tuesday here May the twentieth, and the prosecution resumed questioning 277 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: a particular witness, David James, was a former assistant to Colmbs. 278 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: He started yesterday, but his testimony continues today, so we'll 279 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: see how that goes. The last thing here at Robes 280 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: I want to address with you is something that I 281 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: hadn't thought about and never would have thought about, as 282 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: we go back to Don Richard and optics matter, and 283 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: it was pointed out to us a little while ago 284 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: how she showed up in court yesterday to testify. Now, 285 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have thought that much about what she was wearing. 286 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: But we were talking to Aubrey O day, we were 287 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: talking to other folks who were a part of this, 288 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: and said, did you see she had on a suit 289 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: or some blazer that it was bedazzled, had diamonds in 290 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: the collar or something they were describing, and they said 291 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: that sent a message. 292 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 2: That she was performing, that she wanted to be there. 293 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 2: This is someone who does have a lawsuit, a civil 294 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 2: lawsuit against City Diddy, who is seeking money and she 295 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 2: walked into court ready for a show, and it was 296 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 2: something you know, you are told or at least your 297 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 2: you were at least given some sort of indication as 298 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 2: to what would be appropriate, how the jury is going 299 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 2: to view you, based on how you're dress, based on 300 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 2: how you present yourself. So to come in in a 301 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 2: three piece suit with been dazzled with diamonds all over, 302 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 2: that is a message that a lot of people have 303 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 2: interpreted as her having her moment, her having her moment 304 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 2: once again in the spotlight, her taking the time to perform, 305 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 2: and then with all of the pointed out inconsistencies in 306 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 2: her story, it just wasn't a lot of people say, 307 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 2: a good look for a witness in a criminal trial 308 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 2: with the charges that are being thrown around, It just 309 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 2: didn't fly. 310 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: Folks thought that sent a clear message about what she 311 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: wants the attention to be on and that she has 312 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: an ulterior motive in being there. She has a lawsuit, 313 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: potential book or other ways to profit from this. I 314 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: don't want to. I would never ever in looking at 315 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: her that would that have crossed my mind, and I 316 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: obviously sold the pictures of her over the last several days. 317 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: Wouldn't crossed my mind, but it just lets you know 318 00:16:56,120 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: the just the intense scrutiny on everything that's happened in 319 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: this trial and just how interested so many people are 320 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: into it. So we again we appreciate you listening, and 321 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 1: you all have let us know that you want us 322 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: to keep doing these because you are listening. So we 323 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: will continue to update you about this trial and look 324 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 1: kind of pluck out. Like we said, Robes, we cover 325 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 1: this every day and you have to go to so 326 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: many outlets to put it all together to kind of 327 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: get a good view of what happened in court, and 328 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:24,959 Speaker 1: so we're trying to do that for FUM. 329 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, hoping to give you all a recap so you're 330 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 2: up on the very latest. This trial is expected to 331 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 2: go for at least another six weeks, so we'll be 332 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 2: talking to you plenty. But thank you for joining us today. 333 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 2: We hope we have a great Tuesday every day.