1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to cool people who did cool stuff. 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy. My guest today is Sophie. 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: Who is this weird person on the zoom call. It's 4 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: just they're weird. They're just Garrison. I'm very normal, very normal. 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: Why would you think they're weird? It was the lime 6 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: green ski mask? Oh is that weird? That's pretty normal 7 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: for me. Our guest today is Garrison. That's what their 8 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: Zoom name says. Anyway, I can't op sick failed. Damn it. 9 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: I forgot to sign out of my Zoom account. Damn it. 10 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: Our producer is Sophie Lichterman. Hi, Sophie, Hi Magpie. Our 11 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: audio engineers Ian. Our theme music was written for us 12 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: by young woman. And this is part two of a 13 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: two parter. And you know the real You are not 14 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 1: allowed to listen to this until you listen to part one. 15 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: If you do, Garrison will find you and you'll see 16 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 1: someone with a lime green ski mask and it would 17 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: be the last thing you ever see. I love that. 18 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: I've gotten much more mysterious since the first part, so 19 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: that's good. It's true. Yeah, that was the adjective you picked, 20 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: so it makes sense. Not ever joyful. God forbid? I wait, 21 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: I'm kill joy? Okay? So this yeah, well, yeah, come on, 22 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: what this week we are talking about Judy fucking Berry, 23 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: the earth First or and labor organizer and all around badass, 24 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: who has just started organizing against logging in California by 25 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: organizing the loggers themselves, and we're gonna talk about how 26 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: she did that. Judy, among others, they start a chapter 27 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: of the Industrial Workers of the World, the anti authoritarian 28 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: radical labor Union who rule, who we talked more about 29 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: last September in an episode about the Spoken Free Speech Fight, 30 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: when in the nineteen tens they organized loggers in the 31 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest so effectively that the government started shooting them. 32 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: This is, unfortunately, a decent gauge of the efficacy of 33 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: your movement is the degree of violence to which the 34 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: state resorts in order to suppress you. This new IWW 35 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: branch has two goals. First, to bring environmental consciousness to loggers, second, 36 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: to bring class consciousness to environmentalists. Well and more than that, 37 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: the iw's goal. IWW's goal here is to organize the 38 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: loggers just like literally organize them and fight for better 39 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 1: working conditions. But the sort of like larger metaphorical goals 40 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: are these other things, and the bringing of this organizing 41 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: is to do that. And they were largely effective at this. 42 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: They didn't like succeed outright, but they made a lot 43 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: of progress, They made a lot of allies, and they 44 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: did a lot of fucking good shit despite the fact 45 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 1: that there are a lot of factors working to keep 46 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: these two camps at odds. A couple of weeks ago, 47 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: we talked about Chico Mendes, Brazilian organizer and the Rainforest, 48 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: who went the opposite route. He went from workers organizing 49 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: to environmentalism and he got shot for it. And he 50 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: has this quote that I didn't include last time, mostly 51 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: because I couldn't source it, and I still can't source it, 52 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: but it's such a good quote that I'm going to 53 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 1: say it anyway. He has this quote, environmentalism without class 54 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: consciousness is just gardening. Yeah, it's just like not actually 55 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 1: going to get shit done unless you fucking work together 56 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,839 Speaker 1: with your you know, fellow working class people. And that's 57 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: what Judy Barry and her friends are on about. And 58 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: they did this in a lot of ways. Judy says, 59 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: the main way that they did it is just by 60 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: fucking talking to people. Sometimes even the people that they 61 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: were busy blockading, Like they'd be like, no, you can't 62 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: go log hey, tell me about your life, tell me 63 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: about how this company treats you like, and just like 64 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: listen to people and hear them out and hear their 65 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: problems instead of these sort of condescending city kids of 66 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: fancy degrees who've never stepped into the woods trying to 67 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: tell them what to think and what's to do. So 68 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: they don't like show up and be like have you 69 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: read the Marxism or whatever? It's not an effective strategy. 70 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: She also interviewed loggers on her radio show at some 71 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: point around there. Around here she gets herself a weekly 72 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: radio show, the based fellow fellow podcaster we love to 73 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: see it right, fellow podcaster Judy Barry. And the way 74 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: that she got her podcast is much like the way 75 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: that you and I got our podcast. It's not actually true. 76 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: The only way I found describing how she got her 77 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: podcast is someone who hates her describing it. So I 78 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: don't know how true any of this is. But apparently 79 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: a local radio station fired the only woman who had 80 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: a talk radio station, so she stormed the radio station 81 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: and wouldn't leave until justice was served. And in the 82 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: end of the way that they were like, all right, 83 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: we'll fine, We'll just give you a weekly talk radio show. 84 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,119 Speaker 1: Just like fine, fine, we'll let you all the radio, 85 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: just leave us alone. Yeah, exactly. And she's actually a 86 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: really good podcast I mean radio host. I listened to 87 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: one of the episodes that she did where she is 88 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: interviewing a logger and she's interviewing this logger because this 89 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 1: logger wrote a letter critical of earth First and a 90 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: letter also critical of old growth logging all at once, 91 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: and so she was like, all right, like I'll talk 92 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: to you, you know. Yeah. And so a lot of loggers, 93 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: even once critical of Judy and earth First, realized they 94 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: were also critical of maxim and clear cutting, and like 95 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: because they're not like they're not they're they're intelligent people. 96 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 1: It kind of threatens their job security. Yeah, and they 97 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: know it. And sometimes they just like, well, my backs 98 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: to a wall, what am I going to do? Yeah? 99 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: You know, but like yeah, people are like, oh, this's 100 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: clear cutting. That's a bad development in things. And so 101 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: Judy gave a voice to these people by publishing their 102 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: writing and environmentalist newspapers, by talking to them on a 103 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: radio show, and loggers who don't like, who like won't 104 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: cut old growth, who won't take jobs that they involve 105 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: cutting old growth, become a thing and now it's time 106 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: for a personal story an do do do Do Do Do 107 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: Do Doo. One time, in like two thousand and three 108 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: or four something, I was working with UM. I was 109 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: working at blockade, this old growth timber sale in southern Oregon, 110 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: and one morning, the loggers they get around our blockade 111 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: and me and two other folks are like yelling at them, 112 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: probably like don't log old growth, but maybe less politely 113 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 1: than that, I'm not sure. And one of the loggers 114 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: was like, well, what the hell do you do for 115 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: a living? And we like all thought for half a second, 116 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: and I was like, well, I'm a landscaper. And then 117 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: the other two people boy with were like, we're loggers, 118 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: because that's like what people don't like a fuck tone 119 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: of earth firsters are foresters, loggers, whatever, like people who 120 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: work in the forest for a living care about the 121 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: forest quite often, you know, and like the loggers that 122 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: I was working with in that particular time were people 123 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: who refused to cut old growth. So the loggers they 124 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: were taken aback and they were like, you're on the 125 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: wrong side, and we were like, no, you're on the 126 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: wrong side. It was not a very generative conversation. And 127 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: then they quit their jobs they joined us. We all 128 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 1: had beers and became friends. That part isn't true. They 129 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: went up the mountain and illegally logged old growth and 130 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: we failed at stopping them. And that particular timber sale 131 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: was in a state like no in state logging company 132 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: would touch it because everyone who lived within a fuck 133 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: one hundred miles. I was like, what the fuck, We're 134 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: not gonna cut that fucking forest, like fuck's wrong with you, 135 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: and so they relied on bringing people from out of state. 136 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: Almost done with the personal anecdote, when I went back 137 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: to work a couple of weeks later as a landscaper, 138 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: my boss was like, Magbie, you don't have to come 139 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: into work today. We're cutting down a tree and I 140 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: don't want you to be sad. And I was like, no, 141 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: I'm a big kid. I can handle taking down a tree. 142 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: I just don't want to fucking log old growth forests 143 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: or clear cut at all. It was just like a 144 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,119 Speaker 1: pine tree that was like maybe gonna fall in someone's 145 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: house in the suburbs of Portland, like whatever that is. 146 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: That is an interesting perception of people's critiques of locking. 147 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: You know, it was very sweet that my boss was like, 148 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: you don't have to come into work if you don't want, 149 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: because we're gonna kill a tree or whatever. You know. 150 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: So Judy Barry is on that tip, the whatever on 151 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: the like actually cares about workers tip. She organized the 152 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: Industrial Workers of the World local and soon she's like 153 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: meeting with mill workers and loggers and ships separately and 154 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: helping them organize. And it's not just Earth First organized 155 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: as loggers. As loggers organized themselves with the help of 156 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: an Earth First organizer, and they fight for union type shit. 157 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: But they got to do it all secretly. Louisiana Pacific, 158 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: another logging company in the area, they had a PCB spill, 159 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: some toxic chemical shit poly chlorinated by fennols. No one 160 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: knew that they had any recourse, but Judy filed a 161 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: complaint with cal Osha and they won compensation for the 162 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: workers and this helps This helps her cred, right, But 163 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,839 Speaker 1: all the organizing is secret because none of these logging 164 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: companies are union and so they got to keep it 165 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: all under wraps, which unfortunately means that's a part of 166 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: her legacy that's often overlooked. And as I read, together 167 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 1: with some workers, she got the county to claim three 168 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: hundred thousand acres from Louisiana Pacific to put into public 169 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: hands and keep safe. And now let's talk about the 170 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: most contentious tactic around this time. We're going to talk 171 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: about tree spiking. Real quick, we're gonnae into tree spiking discourse. 172 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: This discourse is still going on, Margaret, I'm not going 173 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: to talk about modern discourse. I don't touch modern discourse. 174 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: I'm a historian, thirty year old discourse. Yeah, this is 175 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: newer than I like talking about. I'm so nervous to 176 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: release this because it's about people I like care about 177 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: and shit, you know, like I like writing about dead people. 178 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 1: But tree spiking, I am not going to give you instructions. 179 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: It is a crime and it has complicated ethics. In 180 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: the early eighties, Earth First advocated tree spiking, or some 181 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 1: individuals amongst it it or whatever the fuck. The basic 182 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: idea was that a metal or ceramic rod or spike 183 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: is inserted into trees and then you put up warning 184 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: signs everywhere saying these trees are spiked. If a chainsaw 185 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: hits a spike, it can break the chainsaw and it 186 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: can endanger the wielder. There were no known sarious injuries 187 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: or deaths caused by tree spiking until suddenly one day 188 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: there was. In May nineteen eighty seven, a sawmill worker 189 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: named George Alexander was nearly decapitated when the blade on 190 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: his mill hit a spike and the blade broke. It 191 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: cut his jaw on half. This was not an Earth 192 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: First related spike. It wasn't an old growth tree. It 193 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: also was added after the log was cut. It was 194 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: like while it was waiting in the yard at the mill. 195 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: Because tree spiking has done by the environmentalist, was done 196 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: on public lands with huge warning signs and announcements, because 197 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: the goal was to minimize the economic viability of a 198 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: public timber sale project, to bring it down below its 199 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: like threshold of value. These old growth forests and these 200 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: private forests, it wouldn't have made much sense because the 201 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: economics of private timber is completely fucking different. Least of 202 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: all to do after the logs are cut, because at 203 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: that point you're not saving a tree. And it was 204 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: some twelve inch diameter tree. They don't know who spiked it. 205 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: There's a bunch of people guessing there was like a 206 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: crank in the area who very clearly spiked the trees 207 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: in his property. I say crank, but this thing that 208 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: he did, like he spiked the trees in his property 209 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: because it was right next to private land and they 210 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: were always known for like famously cutting the trees on 211 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: the other side of the fucking like cutting other people's 212 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: trees illegally and just getting away with it. So he 213 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: spiked all of his own trees and like put up 214 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: signs and ship and so I spiked all these So 215 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: it probably wasn't even him. I don't fucking know. I 216 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: don't know if I can spike this tree. As soon 217 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: as this happened, some North Californian and Southern Oregon Earth 218 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: First chapters renowned spiking as a tactic, and Judy Berry 219 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: is a big part of this renunciation and being her, 220 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: She tracked down the injured worker, interviewed him, and published 221 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: his words in a local newspaper and the Earth First 222 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: Journal and later the Industrial Workers of the World's website. 223 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: The IWW's website put it up. George Alexander was a 224 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: twenty three year old. He was a second generation lumber 225 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: worker and he had the most dangerous job in the mill. 226 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: He was the off bearer who make the first cuts 227 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,719 Speaker 1: through the log. He used a giant bandsaw designed to 228 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: cut through old growth redwood, and somewhat regularly, the off 229 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: bearer hits metal pieces like from old fences and old 230 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: nails and shit, because there are just pieces of metal 231 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 1: and trees from people like fucking nailing as signed to 232 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: a tree or whatever the fuck you know. Yeah, so 233 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: it's fairly regularly that the band saw blade hits these things, 234 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: lose his teeth and so the workers wear like face masks. 235 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: George feels quite strongly that the company and its disregard 236 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: for its workers safety is to blame. He was working 237 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: with a blade that had already started to wobble and 238 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: had cracks, so he complained about it and his bosses 239 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: were like, get the fuck back to work, We don't 240 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: give a shit about you. He thought about not going 241 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: back to work because it was very dangerous, but he 242 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: had a pregnant wife. It was the only work he 243 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 1: knew and he didn't have a union. So the bandsaw 244 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: hit a spike and eleven inch nail and the blade broke, 245 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: and it almost killed him. It cut his jugular, it 246 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: ripped out twelve of his teeth as he lay on 247 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: the ground dying. I'm going to quote him about what 248 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: happened next. I knew I was dying, and all I 249 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: could think was Dick Edwards, the boss, and all the 250 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: shit he gave me when I complained about the saw. 251 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: I tried to get up, but they pushed me back down. 252 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: I tried to beckon Edwards so he could come close 253 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: enough for me to get my hands around his throat 254 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: in a death grip. If I had to die, I 255 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 1: wanted to take that bastard with me, and so his 256 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: fellow workers saved his life. Someone stopped the bleeding, literally 257 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: holding his veins together for a fucking hour before the 258 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: ambulance arrived, while others used to blowtorch to free him 259 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: from the twelve foot section of saw that was wrapped 260 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: around him. From his hospital bed, he made his position clear. 261 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: I am against tree spiking, but I don't like clear 262 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: cutting either, And this is the only documented injury as 263 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: a result of tree spiking. It's enough from my point 264 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,040 Speaker 1: of view. I guess I am or any of this 265 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: course it feels so clear to me that the powers 266 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: that ought not be are working really hard to keep 267 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: the working class from uniting. And to me, this is 268 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: a very resonant story about I don't know about this 269 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: fucking guy, you know. Yeah, But as hard as she 270 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: and some others were working to try and unite the 271 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: working class, most loggers did not really like her or 272 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: earth First at all, and you get this whole fucking 273 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: culture war thing. Northern California, most towns were either logging 274 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: towns or hippie towns. A small handful, because of hard 275 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: organizing work, managed to have sort of a piece between 276 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: the two, and the owners started organizing two And this 277 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: is a recurring theme on this show. The workers get 278 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: a union, why doesn't the right wing management get a union? 279 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: Or in this case, to save the trees and treat 280 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: workers okay group as a movement. Why can't the fuck 281 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: the trees, fuck the workers group have a movement, so 282 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: they make themselves a movement. Nineteen eighty eight, you get 283 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: what's called the wise use movement, or it gets its name, 284 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: or it became more popular. I don't know. It's like 285 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: fucking rid. A lot of different versions about exactly when 286 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: it came into being, but we're going in nineteen eighty eight. 287 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: It's a pro extraction movement with a clever name. It's 288 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: not about wise use, it's about fucking use up everything. Yeah, 289 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: because it was wise used to be chill. We talked 290 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: on the Chico Mendes episode about how the workers in 291 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: the Brazilian rainforests they fought for extractive reserves where the 292 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: forest is kept intact but rubbers gathered naturally and buy 293 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: in large Earth first, even with its no compromise attitude, 294 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: wasn't actually entirely against logging. They put together a ten 295 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: part program about how to do logging sustainably, which includes 296 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: shit like no clear cutting, no old growth logging, You 297 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: must leave wilderness corridors for wildlife to move through. Million 298 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: jobs must be kept, local logged areas, can't be turned 299 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: into non forested areas, et cetera. Super fucking chill. It 300 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: sounds like an actual wise use exactly. And that's something 301 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: that like it would have taken me a while to 302 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: understand when I first got involved, is that that is 303 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: still part of a no compromise attitude, right, because it 304 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: is not a compromise to allow humans to be part 305 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: of the ecosystem. Yeah, humans have been building shelters out 306 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: of trees for yeah, tens of thousands of years. Yeah. 307 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: The wise use movement instead was the owner of big 308 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: evil companies trying to get ranchers, farmers, miners, property owners 309 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: at VARs et cetera to fight against environmentalists and to 310 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: say that environmental restrictions were attack on the cultural values 311 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: of rural people. It's what we call AstroTurf, a fake 312 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: grassroots movement, and sadly it's been very effective. Of course, 313 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: every time some rich kid from the city tells a 314 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: lag or some ignorant shit, the wise use movement grows 315 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: some wings. I don't know whatever, Yeah, you just you 316 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: just set the ecological movement back decades, you know, twenty 317 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: year old from Seattle. Well, and it's like, I mean 318 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: I also get why people are like, fuck you don't 319 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: cut trees. I like totally get that. Yeah, but like, 320 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: fuck your bosses for putting us in this situation. Is 321 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: what we'll actually get us out of this ship. The 322 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: wise use movement people they use yellow ribbons as their sign, 323 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: which is funny because like fucking ten fifteen years later, 324 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: me and my friends are ripping yellow ribbons off of 325 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: cars as part of the you know, stop the invasion 326 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: of Iraq and Afghanistan thing. And they tried to get 327 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 1: the sawmill operator, the one who had been hurt almost 328 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: killed by the by the spike. They tried to get 329 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: him to go on tour denouncing earth First, and he refused. 330 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: And I am guessing that Judy and other organizers making 331 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: it clear that they were in solidarity with him is 332 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: why he didn't go on tour denouncing earth First. Yeah. 333 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: This is the one thing I know about this tree 334 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: specky incident is that the person did not turn into 335 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: like an anti earth First campaign or afterwards. They actually 336 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: were kind of chill, right, Yeah. And once he's healed, 337 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: his bosses put him back on the night shift. They like, 338 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: he wasn't on the knight shift, but they're like, fuck, 339 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: you're going on the night if we don't like you. 340 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: And then they laid him off when the mill closed 341 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 1: because they clear cut everything. His quote about it was 342 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 1: LP Louisiana Pacific is just sorry I didn't die wild. Yeah, 343 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: and I believe it. I believe that they were like, fuck, 344 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: we almost had a mar or why do you have 345 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: to fucking survive. You know. Yeah, they could have like 346 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 1: drafted like legislation or something. Yeah, they could have. They 347 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 1: could have tried to hold a whole bunch of stuff. Yeah, 348 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: if they could use this person's like dead memory to 349 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: continue their extraction. But fortunately, since he was able to 350 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: speak for himself, he was able to be like, fucktree spikes, 351 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: fuck clearcuts. You know, shit is heating up earth versus 352 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: blockading the shit out of stuff. Loggers are getting angrier. 353 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 1: Judy and some of the others are running interference, like, hey, 354 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: maybe you should have better conditions. But workers at this 355 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: point are like shooting shotguns into the air. They knock 356 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 1: a fifty year old person out like out colds by 357 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: punching her in the face. People are like running into 358 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 1: the crowd with chainsaws that are running like what the fuck. Yeah, 359 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: they're fucking mad, and they hang Judy Berry in effigy. 360 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: They hit people with axe handles. It's like a rough 361 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: time and it's like yeah, and they're they're on the 362 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: non violence thing right as a strategic move and they 363 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: hold to it, and you know, it is one way 364 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: to build a movement is strategic non violence. And during 365 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: all this, the FEDS are infiltrating like crazy. It's the 366 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: whole co intel Pro handbook for anyone who hasn't listened 367 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: to anything that's happened fifty years ago. Co intel pros 368 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 1: the counter intelligence program the FBI, basically disrupting leftist organizations 369 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 1: all throughout the sixties and frankly to the present day. 370 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: They're like in this case, they're sending letters claiming to 371 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: be one earth First organizer to another, like talking shit. 372 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: They're sending in spies and provocateurs. They're using their spies 373 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: to start paranoia by accusing other people of being spies 374 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: and provocateurs. Which is why it's always dangerous to talk 375 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: about co intel pro is because you need to make 376 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 1: sure people know that one of the things you have 377 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 1: to not do is talk about co intel pro so 378 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: much that you then spread this. Yeah, but it isn't 379 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 1: stopping them. Co intel pro does not stop Earth First. 380 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: I like to think that their horizontal organizing structure help 381 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: people like a lot in a lot of ways, Like 382 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: since they're all equals, they're able to kind of more 383 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: be like hey, no, I didn't send you that letter, 384 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: you know. And they have a culture that despite all 385 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: of these like these evolutions and arguments and people leaving 386 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: managed to overall not turn into hatred and actual fighting. 387 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: And maybe that's my idealized take on it from like 388 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: talking to folks, but it's what I believe. And the 389 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: loggers are fucking mad. They're mad that they can't get 390 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: the same deals that you all can get by doing God. 391 00:20:55,560 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: The ads are getting like worse, Like there's an ad break. 392 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: I thought, I was like, what type of deal is 393 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: Earth First half? They're not getting paid like sales on 394 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: bumper sticker. Earth First mostly sells bumper stickers. I think 395 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 1: at this point, t shirts you can, you can, you 396 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: can subscribe to the journal. That's true, there's an actual ad. 397 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: Go subscribe to yourth first journal. Anyway, Um there's stuff 398 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: you can buy stuff if you want. I don't fucking care. 399 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: This episode brought to you by Green Ballaclavas. Get yours today, yeah, otherwise, 400 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: otherwise Garrison's gonna be real easy to pick out. If 401 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: you don't get over what happened. If you don't get 402 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: a lime green balaclava, Garrison's fucked. You don't want Garrison 403 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 1: to get fucked. Do you get a lime green balaklava? 404 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 1: And we're back and just like the loggers are mad. 405 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: I hope that you all got everything you needed out 406 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: of that. Okay. So, in nineteen eighty nine, a logging 407 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: truck slammed at a Judy Barry's car and sent six 408 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: people to the hospital, including four children. And it was 409 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: a logging truck that Earth First had been blockading less 410 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: than twenty four hours earlier. It was very clearly a 411 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: targeted attack, and we have reason to believe that this 412 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: was like an intentional, intentional thing. Yeah, there's like no 413 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 1: particular reason to believe otherwise, Okay, unless you're the cops, 414 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: in which case you're sure must just be a traffic accident, 415 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: even though like this is literally I think I think 416 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 1: they got like photos of being like this is the 417 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: same truck. You know, the cops never investigated at all. 418 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 1: Then in nineteen ninety what gets called the timber Wars 419 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: are heating up. California was set to vote on Proposition 420 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: one thirty, which is basically a bunch of restrictions on 421 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: logging in California, including a bunch of money for the 422 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 1: state to buy old growth from logging companies, and it 423 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: include a compensation for loggers who would lose their work 424 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: as a result, because the people who make this actually 425 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: care to some degree I don't. I don't know as 426 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: much the ins and outs of who wrote position thirty. 427 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: It becomes a culture war issue. Yeah, culture war. The 428 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 1: thing that is designed is set one half of the 429 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 1: working class against the other half. A lot of it 430 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: was framed around shit like save the spotted owl, right, 431 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: which is you know, was not doing so well, and 432 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: that lives in old growth redwoods, especially in the snags 433 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: and the dead trees. So laggers started wearing shirts that 434 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 1: were like spotted owl tastes like chicken. I could just 435 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 1: imagine Twitter during this time. I mean, but this, this, 436 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: this is such an this is such a I mean, 437 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: this tactic has used all the time still, but yeah, 438 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 1: reducing these things into little like little like like uh 439 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: you know, just trying to like annoy the other person 440 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: with with like distasteful jokes back and forth. And that's 441 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: what this. These types of movements get like reduced to yep. 442 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: And it's a very effective tactic, and it's it's fucking 443 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: terrible yep. But these clear cutting companies, they're like, I 444 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: don't even want to calm logging companies at this point, 445 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 1: they're like, oh shit, we might not be able to 446 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: clear cut come, so we should clear cut right the 447 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 1: fuck now, just a lot, just clear cut the shit 448 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: out of everything, anticipating this earth first and others they're like, well, 449 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: we just have to hold them off until the election, 450 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: you know, until we can vote for this proposition, save 451 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 1: as much for us as we can. So they call 452 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: for a summer of mass civil disobedience, non violent resistance, 453 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 1: and they call it Redwood Summer. This is in the 454 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 1: early nineties. This is nineteen ninety okay, Yeah, And I've 455 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: had it described to me as Judy Berry's brain child. 456 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: I've also read an article from someone saying that a 457 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: different person came up with it. But either way, Judy 458 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: Berry's one of the primary organizers. She wasn't the sole organizer, 459 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 1: but which is a big part of it. Everyone, especially students, 460 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 1: since you like don't have to do shit during the summer, 461 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 1: please come here and chain yourself to shit and sit 462 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: in trees and blockade roads and do all that stuff, please, 463 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 1: or we're fucked. It's based on Mississippi sm from nineteen 464 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: sixty four from the civil rights era. See our episode 465 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: about the Armed Civil Rights Defense for more from that 466 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: air of organizing, and it is earth first first mass action. 467 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:14,199 Speaker 1: Maybe I already said that. I don't know Judy Barry's 468 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: she's organizing it as well as her musical and at 469 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: some points romantic partner, a guy named Darryl Churney. He 470 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 1: writes songs that annoy right wing people, kind of like 471 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: what you're just saying, how things get done to annoy 472 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: the other side. He has songs like Jesus was a mushroom, 473 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: Will the Fetus be aborted? And spike a tree for Jesus? Okay, 474 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: all right, yeah, I mean, I'm sure the songs were 475 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 1: pretty funny. That's funny. They're not friend makers, no, no, 476 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: there there wants to put on with the people who 477 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: are already on your side and laugh as you're liked, 478 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 1: like an afternoon or night together. Yeah. And so they're 479 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: running around the country and playing shows and recruiting people 480 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: to come out. But meanwhile, Judy is getting more and 481 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: more death threats. Uh, they're sending people are sending her 482 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: photos of her playing a show that someone took while 483 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: stalking her, like crosshairs drawn over her face. She showed 484 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: all this shit to the cops and the cops were like, 485 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: we don't care. Look, I'll tell you what. We'll investigate 486 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: if they kill you. How about that? I mean, it's 487 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: also important today like this was like this was before 488 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: like internet death threats. This was like yet yet threats 489 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: were like a lot there was a lot more threat 490 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: implied with a death threat, I know. And you have 491 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: to like be careful around like actual like it was 492 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: kind of before DNA forensics, but like actual like forensic shit, 493 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: because you're sending like physical things in the mail, you know. Yeah. Yeah. 494 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: And on May twenty fourth, nineteen ninety, Judy and Darryl 495 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: were in Oakland. They're staying at a Seeds of Peace house. 496 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: This isn't the same organization as the current really cool 497 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: organization called Seeds of Peace. This is an earlier Seeds 498 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: of Piece, really cool organization of rad hippies. They head 499 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: out in Judy's car, Suberu station Wagon because of course 500 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: it's a super station wagon. They're going to drive to 501 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: Santa Cruz to play a show and recruit some college kids. 502 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: They get in the car, they throw a guitar in 503 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: the fiddle on the back seat. They start to drive 504 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: off and a bomb explodes under the driver's seat and 505 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 1: fucks them both the hell up, real fucking bad, especially Judy. 506 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: It shatters her pelvis and her tailbone. She's in paying 507 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: the rest of her life and has greatly reduced the mobility. 508 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 1: The FBI was there within twenty five minutes, because discovery 509 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: shows record of them talking to Oakland PD or something 510 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: within twenty five minutes after the explosion. Probably they were 511 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: there way sooner, within minutes or seconds. Even though the 512 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: Bay Area headquarters of the FBI is in San Francisco 513 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: on the other side of the fucking Bay. It sounds 514 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: like they were just feeling like the Judy says, it's 515 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: almost like they were waiting around the corner with their 516 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: hands over their ears. To spoiler it, we don't know 517 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 1: who bombs you and Daryl. We might not ever find out. 518 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: We do know that the FBI intentionally and maliciously bungled 519 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: their investigation of the bombing. That was proven in court. 520 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: It's quite probable the FBI was directly involved in the 521 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: assassination attempt, and is generally accepted within the movement that 522 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: the FBI was directly involved in the assassination attempt. There's 523 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: a chance that it wasn't sure, but we'll talk about that. 524 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: The car explodes, they go to the hospital, They get 525 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: arrested in the hospital on the charge of bombing themselves. Ah. Yes, 526 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: that classic Earth First caper of blowing themselves up. Specifically, 527 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: they claim that they were transporting a bomb when it 528 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: accidentally detonated. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Immediately the press is ready 529 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: to jump on this accusation, and the headlines are basically like, 530 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: dumb bitch blows self up, you know, looking vultures pieces 531 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: of shit. Yeah, press somehow right away has a picture 532 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: of her holding an oozy. Jesus. I've read this part 533 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: described a bunch of ways, but as best as I 534 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: can piece together, there was a guy in the movement 535 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: they probably shouldn't have trusted. One day, they're all hanging 536 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: out and he's like, Hey, you know it would be funny. 537 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: I got an oozy in the trunk of my car. 538 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: Why don't we all take photos with it? Wow? What 539 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: a great idea random dude. And I think he was, like, 540 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: actually part of the movement. I'm just specifically not naming 541 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: him because there's a chance that he's an infiltrator, but 542 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: I don't know that, and so I don't want to 543 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: name him. Yeah, of course, yeah, yeah, yeah. But and 544 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: it's possible that they were like, oh, that would be funny. 545 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: We'll use it as an album cover photo because Darryl 546 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: Churney is working on an album with the kind of 547 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: sick title. They sure don't make hippies like they used to. 548 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: I mean, that would be such a metal cover. Yeah, 549 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: so why not have a photo of a hippie with 550 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: an oozy? So they take photos lo and behold the photos, 551 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: which only that one guy had. What a weird coincidence 552 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: they end up mailed to the media as soon as 553 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: the bomb goes off. That is m curious. And I 554 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: relate this story not because I want to point fingers, 555 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: but for the same reason it was related to me 556 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: when I first joined the movement. If a guy gets 557 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: you high and it's like, yo, let's go take pictures 558 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 1: of my illegal gun, wouldn't that be funny? The answers no, 559 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: just say no, yeah, just say no to posing with 560 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: illegal firearms. My opinion about posing with firearms period is like, 561 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: not incredibly positive, but I understand the like necessity of 562 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: why people choose to make certain decisions or whatever, but 563 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: don't pose with a fucking easy, don't take maybe don't 564 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,239 Speaker 1: take a picture with it. Yeah, yeah, you wouldn't take 565 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:50,719 Speaker 1: a picture with an illegal firearm, and so like, and 566 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: so just don't trust the person who has you take 567 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: this picture. Don't like point and be like that guy's 568 00:30:55,000 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: a fed, because in general we should judge actions like, hey, 569 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: we're in a movement with this, and this guy wants 570 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: me to take pictures of an ouzy. That's an action 571 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: that isn't good, rather than that's a man who is 572 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: an X you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, It's just a 573 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: way to kind of minimize the way that kentto pro 574 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: tears as a part through paranoia. But there's a picture 575 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: of her with a Newsy and the bomb entirely fucks 576 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: up the solidarity work she's been doing building a bridge 577 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: between environmentalists and lumber workers. Not only she's a hippie, 578 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: but she's a bomber, right, she's trying to fu kill you, 579 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: you loggers. And so the culture work continues, and during 580 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: the first several months, the Feds investigate zero people who 581 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: aren't Judy and Darryl. That doesn't feel like a very 582 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: very solid investigation. I don't know. I've done a few 583 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: investigations in my lifetime, usually usually against Nazis. And uh 584 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: that that doesn't sound like solid investigative practis to me. No, No, again, 585 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: proven in court to be malicious. Yeah, after two months 586 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: they give up because and no charges are filed because 587 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: there's literally zero physical evidence that the bomb was THEIRS. 588 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: There is a lot of evidence the FBI and Oakland 589 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: PD directly lied about the physical facts in the case, 590 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: like they claimed the bomb was on the back seat 591 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: when it was under the driver's seat. That kind of shit. 592 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: It's worth knowing about the bomb's construction just so you know. 593 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: There really isn't any chance that it was THEIRS. Um, 594 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: there's no like wink wink, nudge, nudge. They were secretly 595 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: weather underground and we all don't want them to it's 596 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: it was not their fucking bomb, No they yeah it was. 597 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: It was a pipe bomb, and it was an anti 598 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: personnel bomb. It was wrapped in finishing nails as shrapnel, 599 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: and the supposed use that the Earth First would have 600 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: been using it for was property destruction, right, not a 601 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: personnel attack. So already fucking out window, that's not a 602 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: property destruction weapon. Yeah. It also had three different switches 603 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: that all had to be activated for it to go off. 604 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: First was a regular switch like a I don't fucking 605 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: know they made it, but you know, you switch a thing, 606 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: and then that triggered a watch countdown for twelve hours. 607 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: And then at the end of it was a motion 608 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: sensor basically a steel ball bearing that completes the circuit. 609 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: So as soon as the car moves that it blows exactly, 610 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: But it doesn't blow up if the car moves when 611 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: it's near the bomber, because the bomber now is twelve 612 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: hours to get away. Twelve hours. Yeah, so not the kind. 613 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: It is a bomb that is meant to blow up 614 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: in a car, not a bomb that is meant to 615 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: blow up at a sawmill or whatever the fuck that 616 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: they claim. You're not throwing the bomb like like a grenade. 617 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: It's not yet. Yeah, So since they couldn't charge Judy 618 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: for blowing herself up, the Fed's brought in their investigation. Finally, 619 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: you're excited. Are they gonna do good? You think they're 620 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,719 Speaker 1: gonna take edge of my seat? They use it as 621 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: a fishing expedition for more information better at first activists, 622 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: I bet they do. Around this time, a newspaper gets 623 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: a letter taking or sponsibility for the action. It's almost 624 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: certainly fake. Yeah, it was probably sent by the bomber 625 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: bombers to throw people off the scent. Or it was 626 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: a random crank who wanted to take responsibility for something 627 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: they didn't do. And the letter was like I wanted 628 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: to kill her because God told me too, because she 629 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,439 Speaker 1: supports abortion or whatever. But it's actually worth quoting because 630 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: it's kind of a funny letter. I saw Satan's flame 631 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: shoot forth from her mouth, her eyes, my ears, proving forever, Yes, okay, 632 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: come on, Satan's flame shooting from her mouth, Yeah, her 633 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: ears and her eyes, yeah, proving forever that this was 634 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: no godly woman, no ruth full of obedience to procreate 635 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 1: and multiply the children of Adams throughout the world, as 636 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: is God's will. There's a lot of capital letters in here. 637 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: You're gonna be shocked to know how I bet let 638 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,839 Speaker 1: the woman learn in silence, with all subjugation, all subjection. 639 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: But I suffered not a woman to teach, nor to 640 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: use surp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 641 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:14,319 Speaker 1: Timothy to one great incredible Yeah, is that is that 642 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: a first or second? Timothy too. I don't know, two 643 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: coal and one that's what I got. Well, that's well, yes, 644 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: that is all right. I don't know. I'll look it 645 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: up later, just just so I have the personal assurance 646 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 1: of which book of tidy I know. I really appreciate that. Yeah, yeah, later. 647 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,919 Speaker 1: DNA evidence from the envelope reveals that it had two 648 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: people's DNA on it, Like I think one person licked 649 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 1: the stamp and another person licked the envelope. That's wow, 650 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,919 Speaker 1: what a horrible decision. You know. Well, okay, to be fair, 651 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: I think DNA forensics wasn't a thing when this happened. 652 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: It got DNA in like twenty ten. I'm making twelve 653 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: or something it was. Yeah, it was probably the two thousands, 654 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: that makes sense. Yeah, and it only happened once Daryl 655 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: Cherney and some other people like insisted on trying to 656 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 1: actually figure out who the fuck it bombed them. Yeah, 657 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 1: So FEDS show up in northern California and they go 658 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: to the newspapers and they're like, all right, give us 659 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: the letters to your editor, because you know they're trying 660 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 1: to do an investigation. Give us all the letters to 661 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:24,879 Speaker 1: the editor in support of Earth First so we can 662 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: match typewriters or whatever the fuck forensics they do. It's 663 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: really transparent. They're not looking at the letters the editor 664 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: against the person who got bombed, even though a letter 665 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: of the editor taking fucking credit had just fucking come through. 666 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: This is the same thing with like I don't know this. 667 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: This is something that that was definitely talked about a 668 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 1: lot in Atlanta with how people are trying for how 669 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 1: the state's trying to use like domestic terrorism charges and 670 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: like any like credence or extra extra ability you give 671 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: the state to like get cracked down against like like 672 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: right wing errors or like like like you know, like 673 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 1: the Capitol rioters whatever, Like any anything you give them, 674 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 1: it's gonna get used so much more against any any 675 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:08,280 Speaker 1: type of like left of ye like environmental social justice, 676 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: like like racial justice movement. It's all every sing every 677 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: single time, all of the domestic terrorism gun laws. Great example, 678 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 1: the domestic terrorism charges being used in Atlanta stem from 679 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 1: a law created in part response to Dylan Roof. It's 680 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 1: every every every every time you give them like a 681 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,359 Speaker 1: little a little bit, it's always it's always gonna get 682 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: used so much so much worse. Yeah, against people who 683 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,479 Speaker 1: actually like threaten the status quo of how the state 684 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,760 Speaker 1: wants things to run yep, which in general in general 685 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 1: isn't the right wing. So the FBI never actually investigates 686 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 1: the bombing. They just don't. And besides, it would be 687 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,879 Speaker 1: a spider Man pointing itself mean moment if they investigated 688 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: the bombing. Because here's my favorite part, my favorite, I mean, 689 00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 1: I hate everything about this. A month or so before 690 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 1: or the bombing, the FBI ran a bomb school locally 691 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:11,240 Speaker 1: on car bombing, on specifically how to respond to car bombs. 692 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 1: They had it on Louisiana Pacific property, the company that 693 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: hates Earth First. They practice blowing up cars with car bombs, 694 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 1: and the security personnel from Louisiana Pacific or invited to 695 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 1: attend the event quote as security since it was their property. 696 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:36,360 Speaker 1: So were the FBI trying to teach them how to 697 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,359 Speaker 1: blow up cars? Like? Is that? Man? I am not. 698 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,760 Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's no way to yeah, Like, theoretically 699 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: it is to teach FEDS how to respond to car bombing. Sure, 700 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: what you all should respond to is the subliminal programming 701 00:38:55,160 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 1: of advertising. Sure, fuck it and we're back. I really 702 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: enjoyed the hypnotode I'm older everyone, God damn it. I yeah, 703 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,399 Speaker 1: you are much much older. It's an advertising thing from 704 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: I think future rama where there's just a fucking wrong 705 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 1: Trump is a is A is a TV shark fuck upon, 706 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 1: I was like, how long does it take for them 707 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 1: to remind us that we're old? Like you did? You 708 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,400 Speaker 1: did so well over ninety minutes. This is a record. 709 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,480 Speaker 1: This is a gear record. I'm proud of you. You 710 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 1: didn't even fall for the bait. When I started off 711 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,959 Speaker 1: by saying how old I was in nineteen eighty eight, 712 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 1: I know, I refused once you said what I was 713 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 1: getting get involved in two thousand and four, I refused 714 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:59,439 Speaker 1: saying how old I was. Yeah, which is funny because 715 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,399 Speaker 1: the people liked talk to you about this or I'm 716 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 1: I'm the gear to anyway, Yeah, because they're all much 717 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,319 Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. So so the FBI has 718 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:13,239 Speaker 1: bomb school and bomb school the security of the Love 719 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: for Company just watching the whole time. Yeah, and then 720 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,400 Speaker 1: there's even like some oddly specific things like during bomb school, 721 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: they're like and most car bombs are actually not inside 722 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 1: the passenger cabin, they're under the car or in the hood. 723 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,359 Speaker 1: But then two of the three cars that they blew up, 724 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 1: they put them in the past in the passenger compartment, 725 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,719 Speaker 1: and that is where the bomb was in Judy Barry's case. 726 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,759 Speaker 1: Also the passenger compartment like underneath the driver. Yeah. Yeah, 727 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 1: well passenger compartment means like not outside the car, but 728 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 1: inside the car, you know. Okay, And the guy who 729 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: ran the bomb school and four guests who showed up 730 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 1: to respond immediately after their car blew up in Oakland, 731 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,879 Speaker 1: why it was the guy who ran the car bomb 732 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 1: school and four of his students, at which he said 733 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,399 Speaker 1: he told his students, this is your final exam on 734 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 1: the scene. Okay, this is so weird. This is so weird. 735 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 1: This is like, this is so weird. It's so fucking transparent. 736 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 1: And Judy described it once, well, you're either a conspiracy 737 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 1: believer or a coincidence believer. I mean, that's what I'd 738 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,960 Speaker 1: tell myself every time I look at a mountain. But 739 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 1: this is this, this, this is a lot this is 740 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 1: a lot more intense. Yeah. The chief investigator Okay, And 741 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 1: I've read actually two different descriptions to who the chief 742 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,360 Speaker 1: investigator was, but I'm going with one of them. I 743 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 1: think there's different types of investigators at different points. I 744 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:51,400 Speaker 1: don't know. A man named Richard held who headed Cointel 745 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:56,719 Speaker 1: proma great already off to a great start. Yeah he 746 00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,359 Speaker 1: was personally responded, this is the guy who I think 747 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 1: was personally responsible for the arrest of Geronimo Pratt and 748 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: Leonard Peltier. Um, yeah, let's let's let's get him on 749 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:11,400 Speaker 1: the case. He'll start that one on the case. So 750 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:17,440 Speaker 1: that's bad. After the bombing, with her unable to do 751 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,600 Speaker 1: as much organizing, more women stepped up to take her place. 752 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,400 Speaker 1: Just an astounding number of women showed up to organize 753 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 1: from all over the West Coast to make sure that 754 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 1: Redwood Summer happened. And they're stepping up into roles as 755 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,879 Speaker 1: needed because not only is Judy busy, but so we're 756 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:36,040 Speaker 1: basically like mostly existing organizers are busy because they're busy 757 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 1: now supporting Darryl and her on medical and legal fronts, 758 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,160 Speaker 1: because you know, they're and like all the press shit 759 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,279 Speaker 1: about like Earth First is mad bombers or like like, 760 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,480 Speaker 1: from now, it's so obvious it wasn't Judy Berry blowing 761 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,520 Speaker 1: herself up, right, But at the time, they don't have 762 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,120 Speaker 1: any of that information. They don't have any of the 763 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,720 Speaker 1: publicly accessible documents they don't have. Yeah, it's right, story, 764 00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,040 Speaker 1: completely unfamiliar to the modern audience. In the end, and 765 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 1: Redwood Summer was organized ab about three quarters women, of 766 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 1: which Judy Barry was too hospitalized and arrested to be 767 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,239 Speaker 1: one of. And Redwood Summer was a success, but not 768 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,960 Speaker 1: what the activists had hoped. But the fact that they 769 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,720 Speaker 1: pulled it off is a huge fucking win for decentralization, 770 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:19,280 Speaker 1: for creating a leah full movement. Right and past actions 771 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,880 Speaker 1: had had upwards of one hundred and fifty people at 772 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,640 Speaker 1: you know, Redwood blockades and things. Redwood Summer actions drew 773 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:30,560 Speaker 1: like three thousand people, but it was fewer people than 774 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,719 Speaker 1: they hoped for and more devastating still because of all 775 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,840 Speaker 1: the culture warship and the framing of Judy Berry for 776 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,960 Speaker 1: own bombing. Proposition one thirty failed. Fifty two percent of 777 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,600 Speaker 1: people voted against it, forty eight percent for it. Oh man. 778 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,759 Speaker 1: It's opponents mostly used, don't give in to the evil 779 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 1: eco terrorists like Judy Berry who hate our rural way 780 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,520 Speaker 1: of life and are trying to blow everything up or whatever. 781 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,000 Speaker 1: I wonder, I wonder, I wonder where we've seen this 782 00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:00,000 Speaker 1: narrative since then, hah, that's nowhere. That's odd. Yeah, curious, 783 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,920 Speaker 1: jurious stuff. Go ahead, what's the one that I mean, 784 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 1: we're just even we're just even seeing like ripples of 785 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:11,760 Speaker 1: this style of propaganda in Atlanta, like this you know, framing, 786 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,640 Speaker 1: framing like lethal force encounters um and using that to 787 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,279 Speaker 1: try to, like with the state controlling all of the 788 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,560 Speaker 1: narrative around that, to try to make it seem like, oh, 789 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,600 Speaker 1: everyone involved in this campaign is a terrorist from out 790 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,759 Speaker 1: of state and trying to like trying to drum up 791 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,520 Speaker 1: people who live in the area to turn against what 792 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,640 Speaker 1: what what is a very popular movement. Yeah, and that's 793 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,800 Speaker 1: actually I mean, that's that's why I wanted to you know, 794 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,239 Speaker 1: I always knew I was going to be talking about 795 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,839 Speaker 1: Judy Barry. But the reason I was like, I'm doing 796 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,480 Speaker 1: this now is because of all this shit happening in Atlanta, 797 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,480 Speaker 1: and like, I feel like there's a lot It's not 798 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,160 Speaker 1: just like, oh, I think people should learn from this, 799 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,360 Speaker 1: although I think that's true, right, but there's also a 800 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,160 Speaker 1: lot to be like proud of and to see where 801 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,719 Speaker 1: we come from as a movement, you know, and to 802 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,920 Speaker 1: see that we come from strong fucking people, and we 803 00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,719 Speaker 1: are strong, sucking people and looking looking looking at the 804 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,080 Speaker 1: past is like, yeah, the level of resiliency that we've 805 00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,640 Speaker 1: seen in the past and the way that continues now, 806 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,280 Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's it's good to know your own history. Yeah, exactly. 807 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,240 Speaker 1: And within a year, Judy and Darryl bring suit against 808 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,360 Speaker 1: the FBI, claiming that they'd maliciously fucked up the investigation 809 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:22,480 Speaker 1: and unlawfully arrested them. Especially because of this lawsuit, they 810 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,479 Speaker 1: avoided speculating too hard about who bombed them, right because 811 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,160 Speaker 1: of the lawsuit in progress, and they don't want to 812 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:28,799 Speaker 1: suck it up by running around and mean like it 813 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,719 Speaker 1: was whatever if if you if you say like it 814 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,720 Speaker 1: was the FBI, as you're trying to see the FBI 815 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,719 Speaker 1: that can be used against Yeah, yeah, that is That 816 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,239 Speaker 1: is the smart way tiggle about things. Yeah, the way 817 00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,400 Speaker 1: I understand it. The most plausible thing. I am not 818 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 1: making an accusation here. The most plausible thing is that 819 00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,840 Speaker 1: the FBI planted the bomb or convinced an informant too. 820 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,480 Speaker 1: I you know, I'm not going to make a guess 821 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:56,160 Speaker 1: about who among who might have been the informant or whatever. 822 00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,239 Speaker 1: It's also possible that it was a random crank. And 823 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,000 Speaker 1: that's the really fucking weird coincidence that it's right after 824 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:03,719 Speaker 1: all of her political enemies how to how to blow 825 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,399 Speaker 1: up a car with someone in at training. And there's 826 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,520 Speaker 1: some conspiracy theorists too, because of course there are the 827 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,120 Speaker 1: evidence for the conspiracy theories. Seems to boil down to 828 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,879 Speaker 1: that meme. That's like source, I made it up, I've 829 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,520 Speaker 1: made it up. Yeah. Judy doesn't think it's a coincidence 830 00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,719 Speaker 1: that the bombers targeted a woman. Here's a quote from 831 00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,279 Speaker 1: her about that. I believe that the reason I was 832 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,040 Speaker 1: subjected to such excessive violence was not just that what 833 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:29,840 Speaker 1: I was saying, but the fact that a woman was 834 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,640 Speaker 1: saying it. I recently attended a workshop in Tennessee on 835 00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,560 Speaker 1: violence and harassment and the environmental movement. There were thirty 836 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,840 Speaker 1: two people in the circle, drawn from all over the country. 837 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,000 Speaker 1: As we each told our tale, I was struck by 838 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,000 Speaker 1: the fact that the most serious acts of violence had 839 00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:46,440 Speaker 1: all been done to women. But whoever bombed her, Judy survived. 840 00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,800 Speaker 1: She got back to organizing. She moved away from Frontline's 841 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,840 Speaker 1: work a lot because of her injuries, and moved to 842 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,320 Speaker 1: a remote cabin with her daughters, but all the attention 843 00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,560 Speaker 1: helped her network and organize. Soon the demos became massive 844 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,759 Speaker 1: civil disobedience. This is like celebrities and shit. John Biez, 845 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,120 Speaker 1: Bonnie Rate, Woody Harrelson, who's an anarchist, climbed the Golden 846 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,279 Speaker 1: Gate Bridge with a with North Coast Earth First to 847 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,280 Speaker 1: drop a banner that said her wits aren't ancient, redwoods 848 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,719 Speaker 1: more precious than gold. I did not know this. Yeah, 849 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:20,640 Speaker 1: that's wild. Yeah, there's footage of it too. There's footage 850 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,400 Speaker 1: of the banner and the footage of him getting interested. 851 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,960 Speaker 1: Judy Barry kept up her radio show and speaking and organizing. 852 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,640 Speaker 1: I don't know at what point she stopped being a 853 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,200 Speaker 1: construction worker, but I've read somewhere that it was around 854 00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:34,840 Speaker 1: this time that she wasn't able to be a construction 855 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,239 Speaker 1: worker and that would have been hard, hard to do 856 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,319 Speaker 1: with injuries. Yeah, so she becomes a paralegal. And I 857 00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,120 Speaker 1: have seen several people who are targeted by the state 858 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,680 Speaker 1: for violence and unlawful arrest and all that shit become 859 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,960 Speaker 1: legal workers, whether like go to law school or become paralegals. 860 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,280 Speaker 1: It's a very yeah, common career path and it fucking 861 00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,279 Speaker 1: rules as noble as hell, you know, being like I 862 00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,399 Speaker 1: went through some shit, I'm going to fucking help people. Absolutely. 863 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,880 Speaker 1: She was involved in a fight for what in nineteen 864 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,640 Speaker 1: ninety seven became the Headwaters Forest Reserve, another three thousand 865 00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,160 Speaker 1: or so acres of old growth forest, with another three 866 00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,880 Speaker 1: thousand or so acres buffer zone around that old growth forest. 867 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,279 Speaker 1: I listened to a speech from after this point where 868 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,400 Speaker 1: she talks about she's really excited about this tactic that 869 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,960 Speaker 1: people started doing where they start wrapping all the trees 870 00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:27,600 Speaker 1: in yarn, in acrylic yarn because it gums up chainsaws. Huh. 871 00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,440 Speaker 1: I have never I've never heard of this. Yeah, I 872 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:37,280 Speaker 1: would never advocate anyone do anything. But you know, there's 873 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,120 Speaker 1: a if you listen to the album Who Bomb Judy Berry, 874 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,040 Speaker 1: there's a lot of her speeches on it. It's like, 875 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:44,840 Speaker 1: if you want to really quick, I just want to 876 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,319 Speaker 1: listen to some Judy Berry. I don't want to read 877 00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,680 Speaker 1: a whole last book or whatever. Just listened to Who 878 00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,600 Speaker 1: Bomb Judy Berry. There's a couple like clever songs where 879 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:56,440 Speaker 1: she's like, the FBI won't give me my fiddleback. But 880 00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,239 Speaker 1: it also has a lot of her speeches and shit, 881 00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,759 Speaker 1: and she's a fucking good she's good at what she does. 882 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,960 Speaker 1: But in nineteen ninety six, she was diagnosed with inoperable 883 00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:12,399 Speaker 1: breast cancer. In her case, chemo would extend her would 884 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,440 Speaker 1: have extended her life only a matter of months, so 885 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:18,600 Speaker 1: she refused it. It wasn't a like it wasn't like 886 00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:23,239 Speaker 1: a hippie thing, you know. Yeah. Yeah. She kept up 887 00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,560 Speaker 1: her paralegal work and her radio show, but she dropped 888 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,719 Speaker 1: everything else. As she was dying of cancer. She got 889 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,360 Speaker 1: letters of well wishing and support, even from her opponents, 890 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,600 Speaker 1: such as like the county's district attorney and some other 891 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,120 Speaker 1: state officials who had lost their family who had also 892 00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,160 Speaker 1: lost family to breast cancer, and Judy said this about it. 893 00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,959 Speaker 1: I was totally cynical, But then I realized their acts 894 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,120 Speaker 1: were reaching down to a deeper level of humanity, and 895 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:49,359 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. One of her last quotes was, I 896 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,160 Speaker 1: have no regrets at all except getting into that car 897 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:58,719 Speaker 1: in Oakland. Just I don't know. I think it's funny. Yeah. 898 00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,000 Speaker 1: On March second, nineteen ninety seven, she died at home. 899 00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,120 Speaker 1: A thousand people came to her memorial service, and Darryl 900 00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,279 Speaker 1: Cherney continued their lawsuit against the FEDS and made gain 901 00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,440 Speaker 1: after gain, improving their bias. Like the FEDS kept trying 902 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,600 Speaker 1: to squash it on like random things, and then just 903 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,920 Speaker 1: like it it was so fucking obvious the FBI was 904 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,960 Speaker 1: lying and being terrible that the judge just kept throwing 905 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,680 Speaker 1: out all the FBI's motions. But it took a long 906 00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,759 Speaker 1: time and a fuck ton of work. It finally went 907 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,239 Speaker 1: to trial in two thousand and two and they won, 908 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,120 Speaker 1: and they won a four point four million dollars settlement 909 00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,719 Speaker 1: to Darryl and to Judy's estate. By the end, the 910 00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,239 Speaker 1: Feds in Oakland, PD were both trying to blame each other, 911 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,800 Speaker 1: like as like the whole ship is sinking, you know. Yeah, yeah, 912 00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,719 Speaker 1: because divide and conquered goes both ways, and we tend 913 00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,080 Speaker 1: to think of the state as this monolithic thing and 914 00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:51,040 Speaker 1: it is not. It's it's these little, these little cliques 915 00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,600 Speaker 1: and kind of in some ways similar to how like 916 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,120 Speaker 1: edicacyment's operating, Yeah, it's it's these it's these little cliques 917 00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,880 Speaker 1: that are always vying for more control and more power, 918 00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,960 Speaker 1: like even in Atlanta, it's it's funny to listen to 919 00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,280 Speaker 1: scanner audio of like Atlanta police into Cab County Police 920 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,440 Speaker 1: arguing about who can do what when they're trying to 921 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,279 Speaker 1: do a raid, and it's like it's it's it's these 922 00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,440 Speaker 1: it's these little it is these little people trying to 923 00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,359 Speaker 1: trying to exert as much control as they personally can. Yeah, 924 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:20,840 Speaker 1: and man, you know what's so funny is it it 925 00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,680 Speaker 1: was really effective against our movements to sow division. But anyway, 926 00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,759 Speaker 1: one juror came out of the court and told the 927 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,520 Speaker 1: press a bit later after the gag order lifted, and 928 00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,880 Speaker 1: basically it was like it was so fucking obvious the 929 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,440 Speaker 1: cops were lying. Just was like going on about being like, 930 00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,920 Speaker 1: oh my god, none of us believed them. They are 931 00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,520 Speaker 1: so obviously lying because they kept up the same lies 932 00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,719 Speaker 1: to the end. Like they it was like twelve years later, 933 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,799 Speaker 1: and they were like they knew the bomb was in 934 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,480 Speaker 1: their car because it was on the back seat and 935 00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,439 Speaker 1: they put their instruments on top of it, even though 936 00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:59,520 Speaker 1: all material evidence had disproven this twelve years earlier. It's 937 00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:03,640 Speaker 1: like they just they just you know, we know what, 938 00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,120 Speaker 1: like you know what, even like caught in the lives 939 00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,520 Speaker 1: that you're like still trying to like get out of 940 00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,160 Speaker 1: it and be like with like little tidy weasel ways, 941 00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:15,400 Speaker 1: but you're like you could feel the walls closing it. Yeah, exactly. 942 00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:21,239 Speaker 1: Stick to your story, kids, I guess yeah, because they 943 00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,960 Speaker 1: had testified that you can't you know, they had like said, no, 944 00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:29,000 Speaker 1: this is true, so they can't, like it, perjure themselves 945 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,839 Speaker 1: or admit they perjured themselves. Yeah. Yeah, they absolutely could 946 00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,799 Speaker 1: perjure themselves. They did so, And on May twentieth, two 947 00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,719 Speaker 1: thousand and three, the Oakland City Council declared May twenty 948 00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:45,040 Speaker 1: fourth to be Judy Berry Day in the city. Really, yeah, 949 00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,440 Speaker 1: and I know that some people still go and go 950 00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,960 Speaker 1: to the spot where it happened every every May twenty four. 951 00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:53,960 Speaker 1: Her work can be remembered in a thousand ways, but 952 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,880 Speaker 1: one of the most important was the class consciousness that 953 00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,640 Speaker 1: she brought to earth First, and people kept and keep 954 00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,760 Speaker 1: fighting for the Redwoods. In nineteen ninety eight, I mentioned 955 00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,600 Speaker 1: this in the Chico Menda's episode Unfortunately two an earth First, 956 00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,960 Speaker 1: Her named David Chain was killed by a logger who 957 00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,279 Speaker 1: more or less intentionally dropped a tree on him. YEP. 958 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,359 Speaker 1: Between nineteen ninety seven and nineteen ninety nine, the most 959 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,160 Speaker 1: famous tree sitter. This person doesn't die. The most famous 960 00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,960 Speaker 1: tree sitter, Julia Butterfly Hill, lived in a two hundred 961 00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,400 Speaker 1: foot thousand year old redwood for seven hundred and thirty 962 00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,400 Speaker 1: eight days until they finally were like, all right, fine, 963 00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,000 Speaker 1: we won't fucking cut it and we'll create a two 964 00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,160 Speaker 1: hundred foot buffer around it. Will you please come down 965 00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:39,759 Speaker 1: and stop making hippies love your cause? And that's fucking cool. 966 00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,000 Speaker 1: And the campaign against Judy Barry, the campaign against her, 967 00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:48,840 Speaker 1: did not stop with her death. So fucking great, so gross. 968 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,959 Speaker 1: In two thousand and five, a biography came out about 969 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:56,960 Speaker 1: her and was published by Encounter Books. Encounter Books is 970 00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,560 Speaker 1: a right wing nonprofit publishing house that is based on 971 00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,960 Speaker 1: a maggot that the CIA funded in the Cold War? 972 00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,919 Speaker 1: What what the fuck? And this is not conspiracy talk. 973 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:10,880 Speaker 1: That's from their about page. No, yeah, yeah, that's yeah. 974 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,799 Speaker 1: Well I'm sure, I'm sure. I'm sure this biography was 975 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,319 Speaker 1: heavily vetted, full of full of reliable sources. Yeah, they 976 00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,040 Speaker 1: didn't interview like a single person who was friends with 977 00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,600 Speaker 1: Judy Barry. They only interviewed all the people who hate 978 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,480 Speaker 1: They're just like interviewed her enemies, just gonna be like, hey, 979 00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,239 Speaker 1: here's a biography. It's like a smiling picture of her 980 00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,080 Speaker 1: on the front. It's like presented as if it's a 981 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:34,719 Speaker 1: regular biography. It's not like the evil Marxist terrorists, who 982 00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,120 Speaker 1: I don't think she's a Marxist, but the evil eco 983 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,320 Speaker 1: terrorists who tried to you know whatever. Um. Yeah. The 984 00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:44,759 Speaker 1: same house publishes attack biographies of like Anita Hill and 985 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:49,560 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton. One of their current bestsellers is BLM The 986 00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,120 Speaker 1: Making of a New Marxist Revolution. But they mean it 987 00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:57,399 Speaker 1: in a bad way. Yes, yes, so they paid an 988 00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:03,280 Speaker 1: author named Kate Coleman. This is what I was read. 989 00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:10,920 Speaker 1: People say as true. Sue Happy Publishing House. They probably 990 00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,399 Speaker 1: paid an author named Kate Coleman about ten thousand dollars 991 00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,080 Speaker 1: to write the biography. Apparently she admitted this when people 992 00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,000 Speaker 1: came to her talk, because she tried to give a 993 00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,759 Speaker 1: fucking talk in the Bay and people were like, fuck 994 00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,640 Speaker 1: in the Bay. Great, yeah, great, great choice. Yeah. Judy's 995 00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,600 Speaker 1: friends were in the crowd with like signs that said 996 00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:29,600 Speaker 1: lie and they would just hold up the sign this 997 00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,640 Speaker 1: is lie. Anytime she would tell a lie, that's great, 998 00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,400 Speaker 1: you know, that's that's see that, that is like that. 999 00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:39,120 Speaker 1: That is extremely effective non violent practice, No totally. And 1000 00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:40,640 Speaker 1: then you know, when I was talking to when people 1001 00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:42,000 Speaker 1: did it, and she was like, yeah, we did it 1002 00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,279 Speaker 1: because like that way, we weren't being loud and disruptive, 1003 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,200 Speaker 1: you know. But apparently wal confronted at one of these talks, 1004 00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,880 Speaker 1: she admitted to being paid to write this biography. That 1005 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,839 Speaker 1: that is where I'm drawing that from. Okay, other than 1006 00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,320 Speaker 1: this book, she's written dozens of books. They're all I 1007 00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,839 Speaker 1: bet they're They're all pegg they are all I don't 1008 00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,320 Speaker 1: know if you'll see this one coming poorly reviewed romance 1009 00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,239 Speaker 1: novels with photoshop covers. I mean, yeah, that's that kind 1010 00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:13,239 Speaker 1: of touch track. It's like the grocery store romance cover 1011 00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,080 Speaker 1: with the with the ripped guy with the shirt list 1012 00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,239 Speaker 1: and a woman with like loose clothing like grasping his 1013 00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,680 Speaker 1: leg or so. It's then a knockoff version of that. 1014 00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,359 Speaker 1: It is the it is the like, look at Kate 1015 00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:29,440 Speaker 1: Coleman's good Reads. You're not even gonna find it on Amazon, 1016 00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:33,040 Speaker 1: but she has dozens on good Reads and they're all 1017 00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:38,520 Speaker 1: like The Last Duchess, The Duchess Cometh. I don't know, 1018 00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,720 Speaker 1: I can't remember the name of the fucking books. Sophie 1019 00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:48,080 Speaker 1: has clearly found it as giggling. Kate Coleman seven deadly 1020 00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:53,480 Speaker 1: Sins of Women in Leadership intended us is that the 1021 00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:57,240 Speaker 1: same Kate Coleman I chased seven years for a duchess 1022 00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:02,120 Speaker 1: dance for the duchess, A lot of irving duchess wager 1023 00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:11,000 Speaker 1: for a duchess. Luisa's Lessons, the Scholars Duchess, the Duchess, 1024 00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:17,000 Speaker 1: Duchess Chronicles, the Duchess Right Duchess, Duchess Duchess, and ruins 1025 00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,520 Speaker 1: and they all have like duchess turtles, the Fugion of 1026 00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:26,200 Speaker 1: Duchess two point five star dus in Ruins Gere. I'm 1027 00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,840 Speaker 1: looking at all of the there's like this. There's gotta 1028 00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,560 Speaker 1: be like over thirty thirty duchess books here, hate Coleman. All. 1029 00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,720 Speaker 1: If there's two of you and you're not the one 1030 00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:38,120 Speaker 1: who wrote the Attack biography, I am so sorry. But 1031 00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,120 Speaker 1: I did check, and it is like a good Reads 1032 00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:45,400 Speaker 1: verified thing. It's just that the one book is so 1033 00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,280 Speaker 1: out of line with all the rest that that's why 1034 00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:51,560 Speaker 1: I double checked. Yeah, that is but yeah, and the 1035 00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,680 Speaker 1: bad reviews the better of the Secret Wars of of 1036 00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:59,480 Speaker 1: Judy Barry. The bad reviews aren't for I hate this 1037 00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,959 Speaker 1: person's politics. The bad reviews are like this wasn't really 1038 00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,600 Speaker 1: a book, has read like an outline instead of a book. Yeah, 1039 00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:12,160 Speaker 1: and unfortunately, the Attack biography seems to be one of 1040 00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,520 Speaker 1: the main sources for Judy's Wikipedia page, which focuses on 1041 00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,560 Speaker 1: her as like a contentious person that everyone was afraid 1042 00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,960 Speaker 1: of and all this shit. It's not the only attack 1043 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,160 Speaker 1: book that someone was hired to write about Earth First. 1044 00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,680 Speaker 1: It's one of these movements that has had an incredible 1045 00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:30,280 Speaker 1: impact on society that's hard to get objective writing on 1046 00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,600 Speaker 1: because of how many people have been paid to fucking 1047 00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:37,640 Speaker 1: slander it. But I'm going to leave you with one 1048 00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:42,320 Speaker 1: last Judy Barry quote. History will remember people who destroy 1049 00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,760 Speaker 1: bulldozers as heroes. You win a lawsuit to stop a 1050 00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,560 Speaker 1: logging plan, then the timber company files an identical plan 1051 00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:52,440 Speaker 1: the very next season. Besides sabotage, what else is left 1052 00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,840 Speaker 1: that is not an accurate summation of the whole of 1053 00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,240 Speaker 1: her work or whatever? But I think it's all is 1054 00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:05,080 Speaker 1: worth understanding that well, one of earth First strengths. I 1055 00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:06,600 Speaker 1: was talking to my friend about this earlier. One of 1056 00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,480 Speaker 1: Earth's first strengths is they are not a sabotage organization, 1057 00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,480 Speaker 1: and they do a lot of stuff that like super 1058 00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:16,680 Speaker 1: cool radicals would consider like boring and liberal. They do 1059 00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,720 Speaker 1: a lot of lawsuits, they do a lot of like 1060 00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:23,400 Speaker 1: gathering where there are nests of different animals in the 1061 00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,480 Speaker 1: forest in order to save timber or lands. But the 1062 00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:31,120 Speaker 1: thing that makes them, I think resilient is exactly this 1063 00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:36,240 Speaker 1: celebration of a diversity of tactics, because you can't draw 1064 00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,880 Speaker 1: a line between people if everyone recognizes that all the 1065 00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:43,360 Speaker 1: tools in the toolbox are valid. And obviously some people 1066 00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,160 Speaker 1: do draw lines at like some people draw the lines 1067 00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:50,040 Speaker 1: at actions that hurt working class people, you know, But 1068 00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:54,440 Speaker 1: that's not sabotage, no, no, I mean, yeah, that diversity 1069 00:59:54,440 --> 01:00:00,360 Speaker 1: of tactics is the it's when consistently employed you do 1070 01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:04,000 Speaker 1: see like measurable winds. There's been very good work done 1071 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:10,000 Speaker 1: by a Cascadia Forest Defense, which is a decentralized collective people. 1072 01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:12,880 Speaker 1: We've interviewed them a few times on it could happen here, 1073 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,600 Speaker 1: but they've done fairy good work getting getting using a 1074 01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,720 Speaker 1: combination of direct action and the court system to shut 1075 01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,960 Speaker 1: down logging in the Pacific Northwest. In Atlanta, we're seeing 1076 01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:27,320 Speaker 1: people employ tactics, tactics of sabotage. There are there are 1077 01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:34,280 Speaker 1: like construction equipment that does spontaneously burst into flames, shotting manufacturing, 1078 01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:37,800 Speaker 1: so true, but there's there's also like people like yeah, 1079 01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:42,080 Speaker 1: organizing neighborhood groups. There's people trying to pressure the construction 1080 01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:45,000 Speaker 1: companies and the contracting companies to drop out of the project. 1081 01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:48,720 Speaker 1: And that that has that has produced like measurable successes. 1082 01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:53,080 Speaker 1: Um is a large a large diversity of tactics is 1083 01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:55,520 Speaker 1: almost like a cliche saying at this point, but it's 1084 01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:57,920 Speaker 1: like it's true, like it is it It is something 1085 01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:02,320 Speaker 1: that is that is shown shown to have successes. It's 1086 01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:07,440 Speaker 1: how especially in ecological movements. Yeah, and it and and 1087 01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,320 Speaker 1: I think that it really does go both ways. It 1088 01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:15,840 Speaker 1: involves respecting the people who do things that you find boring, 1089 01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,960 Speaker 1: and it involves respecting people who do things that you're like, oh, 1090 01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:24,680 Speaker 1: that's going to alienate everyone. Well, like historically sometimes but 1091 01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:29,400 Speaker 1: more often than that, diverse tactics make strong movements, and 1092 01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:34,600 Speaker 1: strong movements are harder to disrupt with co intel protype tactics. 1093 01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:38,640 Speaker 1: And the fact that Earth first is still around forty 1094 01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:44,280 Speaker 1: three years in after decades of attempts to destroy it. 1095 01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:51,520 Speaker 1: It is fucking saying something that's my earnest earnest summation. No, 1096 01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,440 Speaker 1: and like not not every campaign they're involved with is 1097 01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,360 Speaker 1: going to be successful by any means. But that's that's 1098 01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:01,720 Speaker 1: not how you measure that's not how you measure like success. 1099 01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,000 Speaker 1: When you're trying to, you know, save the planet from 1100 01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:10,720 Speaker 1: ecological collapse on a global level. Well, listener, if you 1101 01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:14,439 Speaker 1: want to save that's my plug. Get involved in some shit, 1102 01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:18,040 Speaker 1: Like if you're trying to figure out what to do 1103 01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,080 Speaker 1: with your life, go get involved. Don't. I'm not telling 1104 01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:23,120 Speaker 1: you go do crime. Specifically, do not go do crime 1105 01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:25,840 Speaker 1: at anyone you hear in your fucking earphones telling you 1106 01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:29,880 Speaker 1: to go to crime. But movements, social movements could probably 1107 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:36,000 Speaker 1: use you and is and there's ways if movements that 1108 01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:39,400 Speaker 1: believe in diversity of tactics also have a lot of 1109 01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:44,720 Speaker 1: different ways to get involved. No, yeah, the onboarding process 1110 01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,720 Speaker 1: for diversity of tactics movements is a lot more manageable 1111 01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:51,480 Speaker 1: than something that's like we explicitly only do crimes and 1112 01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,800 Speaker 1: we only allow people who want to do big crime, 1113 01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,000 Speaker 1: which in general is a little bit less sustainable. And 1114 01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:02,080 Speaker 1: they cry down against it can be a little a 1115 01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:06,560 Speaker 1: little a little more targeted, I suppose, because there's still 1116 01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:11,200 Speaker 1: is crackdowns against large, diverse movements. But the more people involved, 1117 01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:15,080 Speaker 1: in some ways, the safer everybody is. Well and I crackdown, 1118 01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:16,800 Speaker 1: I mean, and I know that's probably not the etymology 1119 01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,200 Speaker 1: of crackdown, but like literally they try and create cracks. 1120 01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:21,520 Speaker 1: And the way they do it is they take the like, well, 1121 01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,520 Speaker 1: we know you're a good protester and you would never 1122 01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:28,840 Speaker 1: support people who throw a water bottle at a cop, 1123 01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:31,400 Speaker 1: you know, and like the more that you're like, yeah, 1124 01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,120 Speaker 1: I'm a good protester, I'm here on the sign whatever, 1125 01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:34,600 Speaker 1: that's like my thing. I don't do all the dangerous 1126 01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,360 Speaker 1: shit because I'm fucking it's not my thing. But those 1127 01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:40,960 Speaker 1: people are also like on my side too, Like if 1128 01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:42,840 Speaker 1: someone breaks a bank window and you're like, well, I 1129 01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,080 Speaker 1: wish that they hadn't broken a bank window, I'm like, yeah, 1130 01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,560 Speaker 1: but which person do you care more about? The person 1131 01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,560 Speaker 1: who is fighting against capitalism or the CEO of the 1132 01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:59,240 Speaker 1: or the window of the bank. Yeah, like exactly sure. Yeah, 1133 01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:02,800 Speaker 1: And the more people holding signs, the safer it is 1134 01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,880 Speaker 1: for the for the person who decides that hey, I'm 1135 01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,120 Speaker 1: angry that the cops killed somebody. I'm going to smash 1136 01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:11,440 Speaker 1: his bank window. And so the more people who are 1137 01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,040 Speaker 1: who are willing to stand there holding up banners, holding 1138 01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:17,480 Speaker 1: up signs, it's it creates, It creates a scenario that 1139 01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,800 Speaker 1: allows people to employ a diversity of tactics in a 1140 01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,960 Speaker 1: much more broad way. And yeah, no action is too 1141 01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:24,720 Speaker 1: big or too small. You don't know what the ripple 1142 01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:28,120 Speaker 1: effects of any individual thing is gonna it's gonna turn 1143 01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,920 Speaker 1: out to be. I do think it is. It is 1144 01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:34,760 Speaker 1: a little upsetting that I knew that there was like 1145 01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:37,080 Speaker 1: a car bombing incident against an Earth First activist in 1146 01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:40,040 Speaker 1: the nineties. But it is a little upsetting how little 1147 01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:43,520 Speaker 1: I knew about this story and this person. Yeah, honestly, 1148 01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:45,960 Speaker 1: I was because Judy Barry's story was such a big 1149 01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,400 Speaker 1: part of when I first got involved in Earth First. Um. 1150 01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:51,080 Speaker 1: But I also, like you know, I got involved, like 1151 01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:57,840 Speaker 1: I was at a celebration for when the lawsuit won. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1152 01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:00,560 Speaker 1: But it's so it's something that we need to we 1153 01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:04,240 Speaker 1: need to keep aware of, you know, and we can 1154 01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:08,760 Speaker 1: we can learn from history. We shouldn't get mired in history, um, 1155 01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:12,920 Speaker 1: but we can learn from it, well, any other plugs, 1156 01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:19,080 Speaker 1: huh well, nothing besides I guess like the fight continuous, 1157 01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:20,760 Speaker 1: like this type of stuff that people are doing in 1158 01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:23,760 Speaker 1: the eighties. You you see you see ripples of that 1159 01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,880 Speaker 1: of that same fight. Now, Um, when we were talking 1160 01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,560 Speaker 1: about like old growth forests in the first episode, I 1161 01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,880 Speaker 1: think this is this is one kind of one narrative 1162 01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:34,840 Speaker 1: we've seen try to try to get used against people 1163 01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:38,440 Speaker 1: doing forest defense in in uh in Atlanta. Is that 1164 01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,880 Speaker 1: the forest slated. It's not. It isn't an old growth forest, 1165 01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:43,840 Speaker 1: So it's fine, it's it's it's it's fine to chop 1166 01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:48,600 Speaker 1: it down. Yeah, where do they think exactly. It's like 1167 01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:52,040 Speaker 1: like the East Coast has already been like completely decimated 1168 01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,800 Speaker 1: by all of its old growth forest and you think 1169 01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,280 Speaker 1: it's just you just it just isn't gonna like grow 1170 01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:00,280 Speaker 1: back itself. You know one day in old old forest 1171 01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:03,720 Speaker 1: will just pop into existence. Yeah, uh no, like it's 1172 01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:07,400 Speaker 1: it needs to survive. And the fact that like young 1173 01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:11,640 Speaker 1: forests are so different than than old growth forests, but 1174 01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:14,520 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean they're worse, they're just different. Like it is, 1175 01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,560 Speaker 1: it is, it is a different type of beautiful Walking 1176 01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:20,280 Speaker 1: through the Wilannie Forest versus walking through then walking through 1177 01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:22,640 Speaker 1: a forest in the middle of the Pacific Northwest. It's 1178 01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,280 Speaker 1: it's it has a different atmosphere, it has a different vibe. 1179 01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:30,160 Speaker 1: The forest in Atlanta is like this weird, resilient punk forest. 1180 01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,400 Speaker 1: You like trees like desperately trying to crawl out of 1181 01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,640 Speaker 1: the clay for life, and it's cool and they should 1182 01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:40,280 Speaker 1: be able to continue growing. So just as we're talking 1183 01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:42,680 Speaker 1: about a lot of like old growth stuff today, I 1184 01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,480 Speaker 1: think it's it's important important to mention that, you know 1185 01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,960 Speaker 1: that shouldn't be the single barometer of if if a 1186 01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,760 Speaker 1: forest should be protected is old growth yes or no? 1187 01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:53,880 Speaker 1: It's like no, it's a fucking it's it's one of 1188 01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,000 Speaker 1: the it's it's the biggest remaining forest in the city 1189 01:06:56,000 --> 01:07:02,000 Speaker 1: of Atlanta. Like no, totally old growth, like absolutely no, 1190 01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,560 Speaker 1: don't fucking cut old growth? And then like what you 1191 01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:09,520 Speaker 1: do cut? Yeah, shouldn't be in the middle of the 1192 01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:12,440 Speaker 1: city so that you can build a place for cops 1193 01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:18,240 Speaker 1: to practice murdering people. Like anyway, probably everyone who's listening 1194 01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:22,479 Speaker 1: knows that, but well, hope hopefully a few a few 1195 01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,720 Speaker 1: more might um and the stuff will continue even if 1196 01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:28,800 Speaker 1: you can't make it to the Week of Action, there's stuff. 1197 01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:32,840 Speaker 1: Stuff will continue and the type of repression we're seeing now, 1198 01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:36,320 Speaker 1: the repression is a sign that the movement is winning, 1199 01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,160 Speaker 1: as you can see with some of a lot of 1200 01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:39,680 Speaker 1: the stuff in the in the eighties. In the eighties 1201 01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:43,840 Speaker 1: and nineties, repression starts intensifying the moment that people in 1202 01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:47,600 Speaker 1: power realize oh oh no, yeah, they might actually win 1203 01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:51,640 Speaker 1: this one. Yeah, so stuff is going to continue past 1204 01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:53,640 Speaker 1: the Week of Action. There will probably be future weeks 1205 01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,720 Speaker 1: of action. There's this summer will be a very important 1206 01:07:56,720 --> 01:08:00,280 Speaker 1: turning point as as land disturbance permits are kind of 1207 01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,120 Speaker 1: like we are, we are waiting to see like the 1208 01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:06,720 Speaker 1: final final ones get issued. And yeah, the more people 1209 01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:11,200 Speaker 1: that comes down, the safer everybody is. It's the It's 1210 01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:13,200 Speaker 1: the only way to beat the panopticon is that everyone 1211 01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:16,719 Speaker 1: all goes at once. And if you're not going, yeah, 1212 01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:21,160 Speaker 1: support the people who are. And but this is just 1213 01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:23,080 Speaker 1: a history podcast. I don't know what you're talking about. 1214 01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:26,000 Speaker 1: We just talk objective, objective facts about some stuff from 1215 01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,000 Speaker 1: back in the day that have no relevance to the present. 1216 01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:30,080 Speaker 1: This is this is one of the weird things that 1217 01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:32,160 Speaker 1: I was thinking about as as I was in it 1218 01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:35,000 Speaker 1: as I was in Atlanta last time. Is that people 1219 01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:39,719 Speaker 1: don't sometimes realize that like they're living through history, Like yeah, totally, 1220 01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:41,880 Speaker 1: they are living They are living through the things that 1221 01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,240 Speaker 1: will be talked about in this way in thirty years, 1222 01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:48,799 Speaker 1: and that is a weird thing to go through and realize, 1223 01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:52,000 Speaker 1: like the actions you take have impacts beyond the here 1224 01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,040 Speaker 1: and now that you can't even imagine. How do you 1225 01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:57,280 Speaker 1: want to sound when you're on Cool People Who Did 1226 01:08:57,320 --> 01:09:01,080 Speaker 1: Cool Stuff as a subject, and everyone needs to think, 1227 01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:05,280 Speaker 1: what would Margaret Killjoy making me? No, don't do that. 1228 01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:08,880 Speaker 1: Never mind, before before you throw that ball top, think 1229 01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:12,120 Speaker 1: formal Margaret kill Joy say about this in twenty years? 1230 01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:15,559 Speaker 1: Will she? Will she critique my arc on this? Should 1231 01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:19,240 Speaker 1: I do forty five degrees or thirty degrees? Which vota 1232 01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:22,680 Speaker 1: will she prefer? I'm so optimistic that will all be 1233 01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:26,000 Speaker 1: here and anyway, but we will be here next week 1234 01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:33,080 Speaker 1: with more Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff. 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