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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio. Zaron Burnett. What up,

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Dutton? You know it's ridiculous, girl. I do the

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Speaker 1: Utah Jazz stop? Yeah? Did you ever wonder why as

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Speaker 1: a team in Salt Lake City called the Utah Jazz

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Speaker 1: didn't they start somewhere else? New Orleans of courts, right,

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Speaker 1: They were the New Orleans Jazz. They were an expansion team,

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Speaker 1: and they chose their name because jazz is quote defined

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Speaker 1: in the Dictionary as collective improvisation, and that's basketball to them.

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Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, we're the Utah. We're sorry, Utah, We're

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Speaker 1: the New Orleans Jazz. Okay, well, Elizabeth Jazz, and that

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Speaker 1: belongs in New Orleans basketball apparently does not, because I

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Speaker 1: looked into this because I was curious, like, how did

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Speaker 1: that ever happen? Oh Man? In their second stadium, they

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Speaker 1: had an elevated court. They were only in New Orleans

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Speaker 1: for five years, but they had a second stadium, and

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Speaker 1: in the second stadium they was elevated. It was elevated

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Speaker 1: so high that the NBA Players Association, the Union for players,

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Speaker 1: made the Jazz at a net around the court so

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Speaker 1: when players fell off, they didn't get hurt here kidding,

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Speaker 1: like what is going didn't have like enough of a

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Speaker 1: I don't hurt. It was elevated like you would be

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Speaker 1: watching it like it was a boxing match or something

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Speaker 1: like they were up high above the crowd. Is that

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Speaker 1: just so that we could all peak up their shorts? Maybe? Yes,

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Speaker 1: they were very short then, But there was also like

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Speaker 1: not just that, there was the issue of Mardi Gras.

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Speaker 1: So whenever they had to leave and be out of

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Speaker 1: They're like, oh, forget that. So they were like, well,

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Speaker 1: people were like, look, we got to get basketball out

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Speaker 1: of New Orleans. So then they moved it to Utah

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Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, yeah, but why didn't they change

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Speaker 1: that question? You know why? Paperwork? What they missed a deadline.

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Speaker 1: The league had a deadline for to approve a name change.

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Speaker 1: They couldn't get that in time. So because they didn't

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Speaker 1: do that, they just had to keep the Mardi Gras

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Speaker 1: colors and become the Utah Jazz. And so to this day,

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Speaker 1: this Utah Bay Professional basketball team, they now have a

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Speaker 1: mascot named Jazz Bear who rides into the stadium on

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Speaker 1: a dirt motorbike and he fires off like I don't know,

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Speaker 1: t shirt guns and you like that, and I don't

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Speaker 1: know the only way that this makes sense to me

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Speaker 1: is if Jazz Bear and Cocaine Bear are related, that

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Speaker 1: would make sense, and then are they are? Now that's

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Speaker 1: cannon So but like the team, the team should be

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Speaker 1: the Utah Templars, right or the Honeybees. Dude. I saw

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Speaker 1: somebody on Reddit they said that, you know, they point

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Speaker 1: basically pointed out that it's right next to the Salt

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Speaker 1: mad Brian Shrimp. So dude, Reddit user bush did Cloverfield.

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Speaker 1: He posted that the Utah Jazz and I quote should

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Speaker 1: be called the Utah Sea Monkeys, and I agree with

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Speaker 1: bush did Cloverfield. Go see monkeys. I'm gonna do a

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Speaker 1: change dot Org post this make this happen there. You

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Speaker 1: got ridiculous, right, It's ridiculous. Yeah, do you know what

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Speaker 1: else is ridiculous. Now hit me with it having a

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Speaker 1: con career that involves creating a perfume. In line with

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Speaker 1: Jermaine Jackson, This is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd

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Speaker 1: and outrageous capers, heists and cons. It's always ninety nine

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Speaker 1: percent murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous. Zaren. I

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Speaker 1: love a good European con artist. Yeah, you do, right,

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Speaker 1: especially when the con takes their show on the road

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Speaker 1: to the United States. That's when it gets good. Well,

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Speaker 1: there were such suckers here for British or European accents

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Speaker 1: and continental mannerism. Oh my god. Yeah, if you wear

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Speaker 1: like pants where I can see your ankles, and oh

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Speaker 1: you must know things, brilliant things. Well, I think you

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Speaker 1: know a little about this from your time in Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever encounter any eighty Europeans when you were there?

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Speaker 1: Did I ever, we could ask a shorter question, did

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Speaker 1: Do you need some money? You're like, are you kidding?

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Speaker 1: You're not a real investor. This is a cocaine deal. Basically,

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Speaker 1: I think that the guy I'm going to tell you

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Speaker 1: blend right into what you're talking about. I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: a man named Christophe Rocancorp. Oh good name. Or was

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Speaker 1: Christopher Reyes or Christopher Lloyd or Christopher de Laurentis or

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Speaker 1: Christopher Rockefeller. Oh, yeah, I've heard me. I'm catching I'm

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Speaker 1: catching up. Yeah, so I said European, right, This dude's French.

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Speaker 1: Apparently he's from the French branch of the Rockefeller fan

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Speaker 1: Christophe Terry Danielle Rocancourt. He was born in nineteen sixty

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Speaker 1: Sounds like chaotic is an understatement. Yes, I don't want

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Speaker 1: But the essential part is that Christophe wound up in

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Speaker 1: an orphanage. So he gets adopted when he's twelve by

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Speaker 1: this military guy in his family, great Tantini type, well,

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Speaker 1: super disciplinarian. Yeah, Christoph ran away a few times and

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Speaker 1: does some modeling. Okay, as you do, didn't see that coming. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he got himself a wealthy girlfriend, and then he pulled

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Speaker 1: his very first con look at you. Yeah, he said

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Speaker 1: he was Russian nobility, and he called himself Prince day

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Speaker 1: Gallots in Prince de Gallots as Prince de Gallotzin. He

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Speaker 1: forged a deed to this one of the posh townhouses

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Speaker 1: that his girlfriend's father owned. Oh yeah, wow, and then

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Speaker 1: didn't fly. But between eighty seven in nineteen ninety two

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Speaker 1: he did five different jail stints for forgery, counterfeiting, petty larceny.

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Speaker 1: So he was not good. No, he was not good

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Speaker 1: at this. Yes, he skipped over the border to Switzerland

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Speaker 1: and then he participated in this home invasion robbery that

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Speaker 1: kind of blossomed into a jewelry store heist. That's strange. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they bust in, They're like, oh, you you own this

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Speaker 1: to your business. They pit. The cops take him as

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Speaker 1: location was the perfect spot for him and where he

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles. Oh, yes, so it's ninety one. He's twenty

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Speaker 1: four years old. He's a Frenchman on a mission to

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Speaker 1: This is who you meet in exactly, so he gets

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Speaker 1: in good with the French expatriates in Los Angeles. The

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Speaker 1: epicenter of that crowd was Cafe Maurice on Las Siannaga, Okay,

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Speaker 1: and the location is now the Belmont, But for many years,

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Speaker 1: up until two thousand and one, Cafe Maurice was the

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Speaker 1: of be in their orbit. The snobbery was exceptionally thick. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a pure Parisian gem. You know what else was thick?

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Speaker 1: This guy's accent. Rokan Corp. Yeah. I watched his interview

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Speaker 1: with Steve Croft on sixty Minutes and I was totally

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Speaker 1: blown away. I thought your French accent was thick, like

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Speaker 1: June of nineteen ninety two, Rokean Corp. He went to

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Speaker 1: this place called Bar One on Sunset Boulevard and it

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Speaker 1: of people like I looked it up. Who was going

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Speaker 1: Ringo Starr had a birthday party there. Christian Slater, Oh yes,

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Speaker 1: Scott bo It's like El listaries. Um, it was a

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Speaker 1: Even though I couldn't find photographing the so Rogan Corp.

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Speaker 1: He wanted to go to Bar One, not for celebrity

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Speaker 1: spotting or like schmooz rich dudes. He wanted a wheeze

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Speaker 1: greed Park so green. She tried her hand at acting.

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Speaker 1: literally sat there reading the Broken Corps, smitten and relentless.

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Speaker 1: Laurentis was smitten and relent He introduced himself degree as

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Speaker 1: Christopher de Laurentis, nephew of film producer Dino de Laurentis. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: together with gree He offers to go to church with her. Wow,

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Speaker 1: he's like, that's a good date. A couple of months,

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Speaker 1: his pursuit pays off, Like he just keeps at her,

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Speaker 1: they didn't have a first kiss. They flew to Hawaii

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Speaker 1: he wins her affections, and he also confesses his cons

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Speaker 1: Hawaiian decides the confessor. No, this is like when they

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Speaker 1: going around. They go to Vegas, all the time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so this is October of ninety two. The love bombing work. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the love bombing paid off on one of their Vegas trips.

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Speaker 1: They got married and then they moved into this new

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Speaker 1: It's like, no, Leno, he was diplomatic. He was diplomatique

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Speaker 1: Uh was he? Are you a drug dealer? Christ Leno?

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Speaker 1: And then he's like, all right, fine, I'm a criminal.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually part of the Italian mafia. Gree's like I've

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Speaker 1: had enough. I know. That does it for the Italian mafia? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: help it. Oh, I want you to picture it. Yes,

419
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: it's March nineteen ninety eight. It's about midnight and you're

420
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: sitting on the patio of the Garden of Eden nightclub

421
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 1: in Hollywood, on the corner of Hollywood Boulevard and Labreya.

422
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: The place opened last year and it is the place

423
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 1: to see and be seen. You are loving the luxurious

424
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: Moroccan decor, the candles, the fresh flowers. You can hear

425
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: the dance floor a popping inside, and you're loving the

426
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 1: people watching, like, what is that David Faustino over there? No,

427
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: it just looks like them. But you know, you're pretty

428
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: sure that Mickey Rourke is sitting at the next table,

429
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 1: and you want to tell him that Angel Hart is

430
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: one of your favorite movies, but you decide to sit

431
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 1: back and let him enjoy his evening. Yeah, please deserves that.

432
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 1: Mickey Rourke is sitting with a bunch of people. He's

433
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: talking to one guy in particular. He's loud and he

434
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 1: has the most incredible thick French accent. So you see

435
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: some concern on the frenchman's face as he looks just

436
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: beyond you. You turn to see where his gaze is

437
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 1: landed and you catch sight of a very buff guy

438
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 1: in a tight T shirt. Guy has a ponytail, so

439
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: you know what he means business. Yeah, Roken Corp tells

440
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 1: the guy take a picture out if we last longer.

441
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: The buff guy says, it's free country poll or words

442
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: to that effect. I'm just riffing here. Suddenly the buff

443
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 1: guy stands up and threatens Roken Corps life. I won't

444
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: repeat what he said, but it was colorful, Rourke. He

445
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 1: moves to hold Roken cor back. You don't held back

446
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: by Mickey Rourke. Yeah. And then the buff guy's pal

447
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: they like they step in, They're like, no, man, it's

448
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: not worth it. Um. So everything like dies down. People

449
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: eventually head out to either go home or keep party

450
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: going somewhere else. You just keep thinking about this guy's accent.

451
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, just in your head, and the amount of

452
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: hair care product that I just saw getting a fight,

453
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 1: and like pseudo boxer because well, you know, and Rokean Corp.

454
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: First came to the United States, he told people at

455
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: Cafe Maurice he was a boxer. Of course, So yeah,

456
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: it all works, oh of course, Mailer so and Mickey Rourke.

457
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: So the next day you are weirdly craving French onion Sue,

458
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 1: and you head to Cafe Maurice to sate that desire.

459
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 1: As you're standing outside, you're waiting for your table for one,

460
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: you see a giant black hummer pull up to the curb.

461
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: What you don't know is that the hummer used to

462
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: belong to Dodi Fayette. And it's just I told you

463
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: it's a grab bag of Diana's boyfriend. Yeah, that due

464
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 1: at that time was the recently deceased Egyptian film producer

465
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: in paramour Diana, Princess of Wales. Dodi Fayette's son of

466
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 1: billionaire owner of Herod's department store, Mohammed al Fayette. The

467
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 1: man behind the wheel had a bit of an obsession

468
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: with Dody. He tried to meet him a bunch of times,

469
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: and even went to an open house when Dodie was

470
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 1: selling his house in Malibu because he thought he'd be

471
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: there and he could see him, which like that doesn't

472
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:50,719
Speaker 1: owners Right there after Doughty died in that Paris tunnel

473
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: with Diana, the man behind the wheel somehow managed to

474
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: buy that hummer what and it was tricked out too.

475
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: The surveillance had surveillance cameras on the back. No, they

476
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: weren't driving the hummer. They were It was like yeah, no,

477
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,959
Speaker 1: that the hummer was in La so Dodie dies and

478
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: he's like, can I get in? Can I get in

479
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: on that car? Because I love Dodie? I got you?

480
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: And so it had surveillance cameras on the back like

481
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: in the late nineties that wasn't common or cheat No, no, yeah.

482
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 1: So the window of the hummer rolls down and you

483
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: see that it's none other than the frenchman from last night,

484
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: Christopher rokean Corp Kell coincidence. So he's about to shout

485
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: a greeting to the major d who's like standing outside

486
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 1: the door, when this black Mercedes five hundred pulls up.

487
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: Who should exit that vehicle but the buff guy and

488
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: his friends from last night? Oh no, crazy coincidence, Kell,

489
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: crazy coincidence. Roken Corp and the Buff guy like lockeyes

490
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: Roken Corp peels away from the curb and the fellas

491
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: from last night jump back in the ben zone. Give chase.

492
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: Oh wow, car Chase is on. What in the world?

493
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: Who put a b in their bonnets? That's what you're

494
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: thinking to yourself. Then you hear zaren party of one

495
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 1: your table's read, so you go inside. You get delicious

496
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: French onion soup, maybe some steak fried who knows the

497
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: night is young Zarn. Meanwhile, Christopher Rocan cor He's like

498
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: hall and tail down Las Siannega in SNL Californian's style.

499
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 1: I'll tell you he went down Las Siannega and then

500
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 1: he turned her right on Melrose, and then he made

501
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: another right on San Vicente. Okay, see kind of know

502
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: where he is. As he's watching the car in his

503
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: rear video monitor, his mistress, Rhonda Rydell, calls him and

504
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: he tells her, I am being chased by a car.

505
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: It is full of are Arabs. Please calls it police,

506
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: and so she's like, wait, the what and the what now?

507
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: So here's rocan Cors. He's like being followed by a

508
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: Mercedes of what he's describing as angry Arabs. He stops

509
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: at the light at San Vicente and Santa Monica. The

510
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: Mercedes pulls up next to him, and then suddenly a

511
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: Hundai pulls up behind him. The man in the Hunday

512
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: gets out. Ronda's still on the line at this point.

513
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: She's like listening as Christopher sits in tense silence. Shots

514
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: ring out, The car peels away and Roken court uninjured.

515
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: He gets out of his car and he runs to

516
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: the La County Sheriff West Hollywood station located Conely at

517
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: that corner. Yeah, so they shot him in front of

518
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: the Sheriff's station. Yeah. I mean it's huge. You can't

519
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: miss it. No, or did they wait? So the cops

520
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: go outside, they secure the scene. They find bullet holes

521
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: in the hummer. Here's the problem. They came from inside

522
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: the car. And then they also found a glock. So

523
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: they searched local hospitals. They find the man in the hunday.

524
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: He had a graze wound on his arm. Okay, so

525
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: of course Roken Coort is brought in for questioning. When

526
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: this sort of thing happens, the police don't just let

527
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: it go, right, so they ran as information. They find

528
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: out that he's wanted for passport fraud. Okay, what passport fraud?

529
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: You say, what passport fraud? I said he held a

530
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,959
Speaker 1: valid US passport sort of. Do you remember Leah Bongo?

531
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: Oh yes, okay, she and Roken Coort paid a couple

532
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: of grand to two LA passport clerks in exchange for

533
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: a passport for Rocan Corps who was not a citizen.

534
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: So he has he has a fake passport from the

535
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: actual passport agency. But he's got a fake American, fraudulent

536
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: American passport. Yeah. So Rocan Corp's wife, Pia, she comes

537
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: down to the station, so does his mistress, Randa, and

538
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: that's where they found out about each other. In the

539
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: of the police station. The Sheriff's department run like she's

540
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: still in love with Roken Corps, but she ends the

541
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: relationship because he's married. She had no clue up until

542
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: that points a wholeman of great virtue. She is so

543
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,479
Speaker 1: Roken Corps. He caught gun charges for having the glock

544
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: on top of the passport charges is bail is set

545
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: at one hundred and seventy five thousand dollars. He asked

546
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: all of his pals, from Mickey Rourke to restauranturs to

547
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: random wealthy investors he knew for bail money, no dice.

548
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: None of them had the seventeen thousand five Pia was

549
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: able to rustle most of it up and Rokean Corps

550
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: is released. He's out on bail, which for him out

551
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: of the area. He jumped bail in the wind. Where

552
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: did he go? When we get back from this break,

553
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: I'll tell you. When we left off, Christopher Rocan Corps

554
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: had skipped bail in LA and was in the wind completely.

555
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: Where was the wind for Christopher Rocan car Let me guess,

556
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: I'm thinking maybe we get Anabitha in this no New

557
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: York City. Oh, he Pia and their son Zeus. They're

558
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: living in a posh loft department in Lower Manhattan. Of

559
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: course he's going big with his cons there. He gets

560
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy five thousand from this businessman who

561
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: was an immigrant. He gets forty thousand dollars in merchandise

562
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: from a store, He owes twenty thousand and back rent.

563
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: He gets forty thousand from a store employee for a

564
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,239
Speaker 1: quote investment. He bought a building in Dumbo that Jay

565
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: Z didn't want Dumbo, And so he seduces this wealthy

566
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: woman and she gives him ninety grand in cash, and

567
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: then he also steals two hundred and fifty thousand dollars

568
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: worth of jewelry from said wealthy woman. Who Yeah, But

569
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: here's the thing is that like a lot of the

570
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: really wealthy people that he was ripping off were so

571
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: embarrassed by it and they didn't want their affairs made public.

572
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: They wouldn't talk to the cops. They just let it go.

573
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: I think we need to not skip over this point

574
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: because we've heard this come up lots of time. People

575
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: are like, I'll write off that one point five billion.

576
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: This wouldn't even make a dent for her, this amount

577
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: of money, whoever she was. So that's all well and good,

578
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: but for real money, he knew where he had to go.

579
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: The family now with an assistant named Dante Dan Yellow,

580
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,959
Speaker 1: who was calling himself Joseph but apparently had like a

581
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: big stick like bronx accent, call me Joe um. They

582
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: moved to the Hamptons, headed up there. So Rogan Corp.

583
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: Is looking at properties to quote unquote buy, but like, meanwhile,

584
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: he's taking the real estate agent for more than one

585
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars on a fake stock tip, like, oh,

586
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: we can invest the money. He's working his own real

587
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: estate agent. Yes, yes, but he's not really looking to

588
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: buy a hell I know, but he's just present to

589
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: the real estate agent. It's so busy trying to call.

590
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, I'll get in good with this wealthy guy.

591
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: I'll get a huge commission. So it's at around that

592
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: time that he starts introducing himself to people in the

593
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: Hamptons by a new alias, Christopher Rockefeller. He had his

594
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: quote unquote assistant quote screen as calls in front of people,

595
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: either like accepting or declining calls from like aristocrats, Kennedy's celebrities.

596
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: Um so like, oh, you know, we've got I don't know,

597
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: some famous person on the line. Alanz, I'll call him,

598
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: he said, the Hamptons. All right, I've got Dershowitz. And

599
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: he's like, I'll call him back. This is what Jim

600
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: Rockford used to do on the Rockford Fi TV. Rockefeller Rockford,

601
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: I see a connection. So one day he's at the

602
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: Easthampton Jim getting a massage as you do. He convinced

603
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: the masseuse corene Ill Tink that he had a great

604
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: investment opportunity that would triple her money. He's stealing from

605
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: the massage. Yea, So she gives him fourteen thousand dollars.

606
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: What the hell. He's just super charming. She's like, you

607
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: know what, come hang out at my house. Like, I

608
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: have a lot of cool people friends there. One of

609
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 1: the friends is this Spanish painter named he Nez Saran Pagan.

610
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: That's a Great Glos and then he and then another

611
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: good friend of hers is this guy Kevin McCrary, So

612
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: they'll come back to us, all right. Karin's father back

613
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: in the Netherlands had a stroke, so she had to

614
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: go out and fly and see him. But she wanted

615
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: to use the investment opportunity from Rocan Cord to triple

616
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: her entire savings because she's like, I'm going to need

617
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: this money to take care of my dad. So she

618
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: has one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars she wants

619
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: to give it to Rocan Corp. To invest. So she

620
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: calls up her friend McCrary and is like, hey, I'm

621
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: at the airport, you know, can you take this money,

622
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: take it to Rocan Corp And like have him invested.

623
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: He's like all right, fine. So McCrary meets up with

624
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: Rocan Corps at Karin's house. Red flags a fly in

625
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: all I hope. So, yeah, he's uncouth, Rocan Corps. He's tattooed,

626
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: he's sloppy, and these are not the traits of a Rockefeller.

627
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Speaker 1: Now generally, here's what McCrary told Vanity Fair quote. He

628
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: set me off immediately. How could a Rockefeller be associated

629
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: with such a bumbling fool. It didn't fit. Nothing fit.

630
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 1: He's French. My family has known the Rockefellers for decades,

631
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: Nelson David, We've known them for years. If there's one

632
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: thing I know, it's growing up around money. He didn't

633
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:54,240
Speaker 1: feel like money. Wow, seriously. Yeah, So McCrary, he finds

634
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: out that another friend of his had given Rocan cor

635
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: money and he's just like, I rate, who, why are

636
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 1: you guys trusting this man? So he tries to report

637
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: it as a crime, but no crime had really taken

638
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: place yet, because it's not like, you know, he had

639
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: stolen something immediately. So meanwhile he nes Saran pagan Um.

640
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 1: He's grown wise to Rokan I know, and I wish

641
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: he could see it written out, because it's amazing. It

642
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: looks like giants, Sarah Pagan, but it's he nes Saran

643
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: pagan Um. So Sarah and Pagan. Uh. He doesn't go

644
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: to the cops. He's wise to him. He doesn't go

645
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: to the cops. He's an artist, a free thinker, a

646
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: free spirit, a jokester. He was fascinated by Rocan Cory

647
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: wanted to know more. This is what he later told

648
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: The New York Times quote. I wanted in on his game.

649
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: I liked him, but I knew he wasn't a Rockefeller

650
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 1: as a con man. I'll give him an eight on

651
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: what scale? So uh he nes he sets up a

652
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: dinner party at his house. I'm sure the Hampton's has

653
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: its share of weird dinner parties, but this is like

654
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,439
Speaker 1: got to be up there for it. He assembled an

655
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: interesting and eclectic group. Pierre a peculiar art collector, Maria

656
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: and Clia, daughters of a wealthy Greek shipping magnet. Okay,

657
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: and not Suko, the daughter of a top executive at

658
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: Sony International. Did Ryan Johnson write this pretty much? Go on,

659
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: here's the thing though, they're all imposters. So Pierre is

660
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: actually Peter Fazio, a local contractor. Maria was really Maria Etemides,

661
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: the New York bureau chief at People magazine. Oh wow.

662
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 1: Clia was a friend of hers and a jag lawyer. Lawyer,

663
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: And then Notasuko Utsumi had no relation to anyone at

664
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: Sony and was actually a photojournalist who was working on

665
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: a book about African genital mutilation. I mean, you have

666
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: to run that back. No, So Maria the journalist, she

667
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: could not help herself, but quiz roken Corp on his

668
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 1: lifestyle and the question she asked out more and more probing,

669
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: like where do you live? How would you describe your house? Like?

670
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: And as he's getting shorter and shorter, more and more

671
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 1: terse like, she starts pressing him and then he Nez

672
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: is like stop, like kicks round to the table. So

673
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,280
Speaker 1: most of the time, though Rokean Chords just held court.

674
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: He's like waxing demi elegant on things like art, economics,

675
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: the ladies. Do you think a good job? No? Imagine no,

676
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: he was terrible. So at one point and he's like

677
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: super pretentious about it. At one point he told Rokean

678
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: Chord he was a genius and like this is and

679
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: roken Cords like, what do you mean? And you know

680
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,720
Speaker 1: Einstein was a genius. I am but a simpleman. And

681
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: this is what this is how he Nez relayed what

682
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: he said to Vanity fair quote. A genius is a

683
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: person who has control, who has no fear, he said.

684
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: For the briefest moment their eyes met, and Pagan sense

685
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: that some part of Rockefeller's elaborate mask had fallen away.

686
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: Then he knew the artist speculates today he knew that

687
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: I knew, and he knew I would keep his secret,

688
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: that I wouldn't turn him in. Wow, so they're just

689
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: like scammered, a scam. He knew that I knew that

690
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: I knew that he knew. Also, his definition of genius

691
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 1: would mean that both Evil Knevil and my neighbor Bob

692
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 1: are both geniuses. Your point, Yeah, he's a low bar

693
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: so McCrary though, he's not tickled by Roken Corp's deceptions

694
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: the way that he nez is mccrary's I rate. So

695
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: he keeps bugging the cops until they get a lead. Right,

696
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: Rokean Court was not staying at a fancy summer home

697
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: like he had everyone believing. Like he told people that

698
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: he lived on whatever, like the fanciest street there was.

699
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: He would name drop that and they're like, oh really,

700
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: which one? Um, He's staying at a bed and breakfast

701
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: and he hadn't paid the bill and he owed nineteen

702
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: thousand dollars kind of bed and breakfast I don't know.

703
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: So he gets arrested and he provides an idea a

704
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:02,959
Speaker 1: passport that has the name faby In or Tuna, and

705
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: so you know he's sitting there in jail, his attorney

706
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: shows up, Bruce Cutler. I don't know if you know

707
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: that name. That's John Gotti's familiar. Yeah. So the next

708
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: day post forty five thousand dollars casha, no, post forty

709
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars cash bond, and once again in the

710
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: wind Man. So it wasn't until after he's out on

711
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: bail that the police ran his prince are you kidding me,

712
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 1: Sleepy Hampton's so oh, there's all the mess in La Rome,

713
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 1: Hong Kong like understuff in exactly, so he's getting around.

714
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: Roken Corps wasn't totally off the radar, though. He reached

715
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: out via third parties to talk to the media while

716
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: he was on the run. He told the New York

717
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: Times quote, I would not consider myself a criminal. I

718
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: steal with my mind. If I take things. If that's

719
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: your definition of a criminal, then I am a criminal.

720
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: If they catch me, I will make no deal. I

721
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: will do my time. I steal in my mind. This

722
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: is more of what he told the Time quote. I've

723
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: never killed anyone, he said. I don't believe in taking

724
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: another life. It is the ultimate sin. He said. He

725
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: felt no remorse for his actions, just pity for his victims.

726
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: I feel sorry for their greed, he said, I'm not laughing.

727
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: There's nothing funny about stupidity. Would he be caught? That

728
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: is in the hands of God, he said, So there

729
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: we go. Damn. He insults his marks. He says, he's

730
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: not about me. They're stupid and greedy and if anybody's

731
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: gonna come after me, it's God, and right, I ain't

732
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: listen to another. Wise, where is he when he's getting

733
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: all emotional with the press. This is amazing Canada. He

734
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: went to Canada. So he and his family they made

735
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: their way to British Columbia. They ditched the assistant. It's

736
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: just Himpia and zeus that there they meet this businessman

737
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: named Robert Baldock, and Rocancourt tells Baldock that he's actually

738
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: Michael van Hoven, Formula one racer for Ferrari. It's like, sure,

739
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 1: of course, yeah, And he's like, you know, I make

740
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: twenty eight in a year. It's a pretty cool gig.

741
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: You know, do what you love. You never work a

742
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: day in your life. And so he said, you know,

743
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: what do you do, Baldoc? He's like, well, I own

744
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: this medical diagnostic company. He's like, Fontastique, they give you

745
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: five million to invest. Baldock's like, oh okay. So he's like,

746
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: I'll transfer the five million to you. And in the meantime,

747
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: like Baldoc and this wife, they're just showering him with gifts.

748
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 1: They give him a suite at this luxury hotel resort,

749
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: they give him a Rolex. Baldoc goes to Switzerland in

750
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: order to complete the transfer of funds. Okay, he did

751
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: this a few times because it never took So he

752
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: goes to Switzerland because in person to pick up money. Essentially,

753
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: he goes to UBSA, Switzerland, and it's like I have

754
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: There's all this confusion, like he's showing up. They're like, oh,

755
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: do you want to open account? He's like no, no no, no,

756
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to take stuff. I don't know what was

757
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: wrong with everybody involved. How do these rich people have

758
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 1: this money? Like they're so irresponsible and like casual about it.

759
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: It seems like money is really leased. He does this

760
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: a bunch of times. He goes over there, and every

761
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: time Rokean Coors like, oh, you know what, it didn't

762
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: go through because I don't know the fates do not know,

763
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: and then he flies over again. Yeah, he's like, well

764
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: try it again, like next week, come back and then

765
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: try again. So the Balldocks they'd had enough. I hope

766
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: they go to the cops. They go to the Mounties. Yes,

767
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: Rokan Corp gets arrested and charged with fraud. He pleads guilty,

768
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: and then he also pleads guilty to the charges in

769
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: LA and New York. P said she had absolutely no

770
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: idea what was going on, didn't have part of the scheme.

771
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: I don't really believe that, but they let her go. Huh,

772
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: she doesn't get charged. Rokeancorp did a year in a

773
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: Canadian prison, and while he was there he did what

774
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: all our favorite criminals do, not make toilet wine, but

775
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: rather he wrote a book. Of course, it's what you

776
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: do in prison. It has an amazing title, I Christopher

777
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 1: rokean corps, orphan playboy prisoner. That's the title. Huh so good. So,

778
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: after finishing his time in Canada, he gets sent to

779
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: Brooklyn to face federal charge. Is on eleven counts of fraud. Okay,

780
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: felony counts. So now he's actually facing something. Yeah, his

781
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: lawyer didn't request bail. He pled guilty because I mean,

782
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: I don't know how it is, but I imagine a

783
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: Canadian prison is from what I've seen, is kind of

784
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: like the some of the northern European prisons, like in

785
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: Sweden and Denmark. And it's basically like, oh, you got

786
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 1: a free hotel room and some space to write. I

787
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: don't know. I would hope so I honestly. But still

788
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: in October two thousand and three, he gets sentenced to

789
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: three years and ten months, so forty what is it?

790
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: Forty six months in jail plus one point three million

791
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: in restitution, and he gets ordered to pay seventy five

792
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: percent of any profits from telling his life story, whether

793
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: a movie or a book, sure to pay back the victims.

794
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,720
Speaker 1: The judge, the Honorable Charles Sifton, had this to say, quote,

795
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: the likelihood that people are going to take seriously anything

796
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 1: he says or rely on it in the future is

797
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: rather slim. Yeah, but it'll still sell books, huh. So

798
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 1: he gets released in two thousand and seven, sent back

799
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: to France. Much like our pal Elmir de Hori. His

800
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: social currency was only enhanced behind like by his time behind. Yes,

801
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 1: of course, so he starts dating Sonya Roland. The former

802
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: Miss France. What In two thousand and seven Want you know?

803
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: Two thousand and seven, he meets French filmmaker Kathleen Bleia.

804
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: She asked him to be in a movie that she

805
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: was making called Bad Love, and it was based upon

806
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: a novel that she wrote. The star of the movie

807
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: Naomi Campbell, pulling all the nineties names two and seven

808
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: and that's how he found himself on the red carpet

809
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 1: at Con as the date of of Naomi Campbell Leyeah.

810
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: She also gave him money to write a screen pay

811
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: about his life. Do you get the idea that him

812
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: being handsome is really a big boy and he's sort

813
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: of in that handsome like that who's the French actor

814
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 1: of Vincent gall No, the French one Vincent. He's kind

815
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: of like that where it's like he's not traditionally handsome,

816
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 1: but you can see it. I think that guys can

817
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: traditionally handsome. But I mean, I don't think traditionally he

818
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: doesn't look like all those weird like frat boy, cookie

819
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: cutter American act Oh oh yeah, but I was in

820
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: bring like French, right, I think he's handsome, but it's

821
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: like I think I could see how people wouldn't and

822
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: so that's kind of imagine him. I think he's handsome

823
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: this one, but you can also see like in some

824
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: pictures where maybe people wouldn't conventionally here okay, because you

825
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: remember you said he started as a model. I was

826
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: wondering if that's why it's always helping the people. Yeah,

827
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: but not in the model he was very much in

828
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: like the kind of c k one, Calvin Clin, like

829
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: Calvin Klein like, um, I don't know, it's just that

830
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: he doesn't he didn't have like the traditional model looks. Um,

831
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: So he's getting money to write a screenplay about his

832
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: life Byah also loaned him more than six hundred and

833
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Speaker 1: fifty thousand euros for various projects and things. By July

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and four. The book, called Abuse of Weakness,

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Speaker 1: with passports to end visas to sell at outrageous prices

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Speaker 1: to illegal immigrants. Yeah, so I don't know what he's

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Speaker 1: up to now exactly. He's written seven books in total.

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Speaker 1: of pictures of him living a really super elegant lifestyle.

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Speaker 1: He's like sitting in a beach chair on a cold dale,

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Speaker 1: living to the fullest. But it's in French, too tired

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Speaker 1: to butcher that it's very much like a Kendall roy

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Speaker 1: He's like the It's like as stint as a Rockefeller

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Speaker 1: roy Um. So there he is. Check him out, Zarin,

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Speaker 1: what's your ridiculous takeaway? Man? I used to think Mickey

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Speaker 1: Rourke was pretty cool, but now I'm wondering is if

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Speaker 1: he could hang out with this? Do have wild Mickey

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Speaker 1: Rourke stories that I cannot share Everything that I've heard

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Speaker 1: from friends in La and I'm just gonna leave it

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Speaker 1: at that. Terrible things that I can't share really like bad,

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Speaker 1: like bad bad, or like bad like weird bad weird.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, and I'm gonna I'm just gonna tease

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Speaker 1: that and leave it. I just always found him peculiar,

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Speaker 1: So I always paid attention to him. And he's also smart.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's like, he's charismatic, he's interesting, he's curious,

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Speaker 1: a lot of the things I really respect in a person. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but also he's just so uniquely him that I was like,

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Speaker 1: I like to think that inside of there there is

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Speaker 1: some like not I don't say goodness. I'm not measuring

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Speaker 1: his soul, but I mean like something some spark of

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Speaker 1: like real raw humanity and like like a flame of

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Speaker 1: not like a pure spirit, but like an artistic spirit,

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Speaker 1: which I understand he's gonna hurt, hurt people think he

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Speaker 1: was malicious people. I don't want that. I don't think

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Speaker 1: he was ever taken by Rokean Corps. And I think

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Speaker 1: it was just like an interesting thing to so maybe

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Speaker 1: Roken Corp helped take care of those chihuahuas he carries, Sure,

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Speaker 1: and I can see him. I mean, he's gonna have

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Speaker 1: weird friends, you know, so I imagine his quartier. You

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Speaker 1: are just all kinds of weird friends. But like this

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Speaker 1: is like I just would expect or I guess exactly. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what's your ridiculous takeaway, Elizabeth? My ridiculous takeaway is that

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Speaker 1: if you can go through things with a ridiculous accent

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Speaker 1: and really like carry yourself like you know what you're

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Speaker 1: doing and you're you're above it all, you can get

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Speaker 1: away with whatever. Certainly from expial. Well, that is it

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Speaker 1: for today. Excellent. Oh. You can find us online at

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