WEBVTT - Ep. 14: Like Taking a Pool Cue to a Crocodile Fight 0:00:02.080 --> 0:00:03.520 If you're in a boat ram and he pulls in 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:05.640 with salt life all over his stuff, like he's probably 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:07.200 the one that's gonna put his truck in the water. 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:12.559 You spine this dinghis we're gonna accept for coin, and 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:17.760 there are two options. They actually retrofitted pool cues like 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:21.320 real pool cues, with real seats and guides to use 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:23.720 his musky rods. Did you get it on a jail? 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:32.120 But no, you cannot adopt a Will's captish. Good morning, 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:35.360 degenerate anglers, Welcome to Bend, the fishing show that buys 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:38.360 daiki hooks from the wish app Because really, do we 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:40.200 seem like the kind of guys who can afford dach 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:43.760 hooks at the fly shop? No, come on, I'm Joe 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:47.600 sph Melli and I'm Miles Nulty. All right, So, a 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:50.560 few weeks ago we made a joke at the expense 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:55.440 of rent a cops, and I had no idea how 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:59.040 sensitive a subject we were touching on. So to all 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:02.200 the private secure aty professionals out there who took offense, 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:06.160 please accept our heartfelt hope that you can find your 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:09.920 senses of humor a little trivia effect for you. I 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:13.320 used to work as a retail security guard. Yes, I 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:15.320 was once a rent a cop. And even though I 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:17.959 was very very bad at that job, because I could 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:21.640 not have cared less how many beastie boys cedeeds disappeared 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:24.679 to the jam sport backpacks, I've earned the right to 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:27.800 make rent a cop jokes. If you're daily grind evolves 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:30.360 sitting in a tiny little box handing out vendor badges 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:33.280 and making regular patrols around the sales floor looking for 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:36.880 people to profile, you can absorb a little good natured 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:40.600 ship talk. It's weird, but I could picture you in 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:43.120 that role in your younger days, like just not giving 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:48.080 a shit about anything, year old ponytail halfway down my back. 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:53.600 It was a job. In general, though, I will say, um, 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:56.600 I think people's like waning lack of ability to make 0:01:56.640 --> 0:02:00.160 fun of themselves. It's just a growing global problem, like 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:02.880 just in all facets, like we have people. You know, 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:05.880 I make fun of myself constantly wondering, like wondering how 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:08.560 I've gotten this FEI in life. But yeah, man, I'm 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:10.919 with that. If you're a mall security guard or toll 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:13.880 booth operator, that the kid that rounds up the golf 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:18.239 balls at the driving range, you know, a fishing industry professional. 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:20.840 Three words that do not belong together, like do yourself 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:23.600 a favorite, laugh at yourself. It's okay, nothing bad is 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:26.239 gonna happen. You might enjoy it. 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Yeah, and that coffee 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:55.360 has also been fueling hours of cold calling and emailing 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:58.000 Miles and I have been doing lately to uh, you know, 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:01.040 talent agencies and man, you just trying to trying to 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.920 coun our way into getting some some new fresh guests 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:07.280 on this show, whose whose voices may sound more familiar, 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:09.280 like we hang out with fishy people, but we're like, 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:12.560 you know who who would resonate with the masses beyond 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:15.280 the fish world. It's not easy. It's not easy. No, 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:18.120 And and let's be clear, the operative word there is 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:24.839 con Yeah. Anyway, somehow it worked kind of I don't 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:26.520 know how to put this. We don't have an actual 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:31.400 fishing report for you this week because I mean, all right, look, 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:34.039 we got Brad Pitt to record something for us, and 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:37.720 we're not really in a position to tell bread Pitt 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:41.200 what to do. We didn't even get to talk to Brad. 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:44.320 They wouldn't let us speak to Brad um not that 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:47.880 I I mean, you know, that's that's fine, but this 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.440 all went through his people. He's got people, so instead 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:54.000 of a fishing report, we got h I don't know 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:57.839 what do you what do you call this? I don't 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:00.599 really know what I'm what I'm really introduce thing, except 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:04.120 I'll just say here's Brad Pitt, ladies and gentlemen on 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:13.240 the Bent podcast. You go ahead and enjoy this one. Hey, hey, hey, 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:16.920 hi Brad here. So someone asked me to do this 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:20.560 podcast and I was like, but bow, what's the podcast? 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:24.880 And also who the hell are these guys? But when 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:27.240 I found out it was about fishing, right, I was like, 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:30.960 can I share my words? And they were like, yeah, 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:34.360 you can do whatever you want to do. So I'm 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:38.880 really into fishing poetry, not so much fishing or poetry, 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:42.520 but fishing poetry, you know, if you know what I mean. 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:46.920 So yeah, here are some poems that I wrote. Chasing 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:57.080 Eternal Rises, pain, elation, euphoria, desperation, the rusted pull tab 0:05:57.240 --> 0:06:01.479 from a candid metaphorical kombucha, The smell of summer in 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:05.400 the streets of New Delhi, A half a pack of Winston's. 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:08.520 Two girls you swear you've met before, but you can't 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:13.200 remember if it was at Luke's or Owen's. Winter and Toledo. 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:16.599 A tape measure your dad let you bar and you 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:22.280 never gave back, sage brush fig palm trees at a 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:29.080 t g I Friday's warez bottom misstake fries, A moped 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:32.280 that will take you anywhere you want to go if 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:36.920 you have the free map. Fear of garden sprinklers. Your 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:41.480 therapist hasn't been able to resolve something kind of like 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:48.599 a small carry on bag, only larger trout. Thank you. 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:51.599 This next one was inspired by some min you know, yeah, 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:55.159 complicated relationships, hanging out with Guy Richie and Madonna in 0:06:55.200 --> 0:07:01.039 the UK, filming snatch sucker fish, who are you calling 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:08.839 sucker Fish? Broadcast bowners, spreading seed, subterminal lips, blowing botox bubbles, 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:15.200 criminal car casting, contentious characters past that roach. Did you 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:20.800 get it on a jayhook? No? No, we cannot adopt 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:24.360 a welles catfish. They need to swim free, look like me. 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:32.480 That was it? Uh so, yeah, I humbly thank you 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.840 for listening. Never forget the words of the Immortal Fluid. 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:41.840 They were here, and then they were going to go there, 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:51.440 and then they went. I gotta say that that first 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:55.360 poem wasn't bad. You think so? You think that was good? 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:59.040 I mean, yeah, I don't know. I dig poetry when 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:01.640 it's well done. You know, I can get down with 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:04.080 some of that, like free association imagery he had going 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:07.200 on there. In fact, you know what, I think we 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:09.480 should do more poetry on the show. Maybe we should 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:13.040 start a segment called Poems that Don't Suck? Can it? 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:14.320 Can it be a high coup? I see? I like 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:16.440 high coups. It's just like short and sweet, takes two 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:18.360 seconds to read. I don't have to get lost in that, 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.800 you know. Uh? And just you saying that for the 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:25.440 kids paying attention. I fear that's a that's called foreshadowing. 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:28.480 So if we do end up aaring more poetry, I'm 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:31.360 gonna assume some listeners will love it, while others absolutely 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:33.800 hate it and send us, you know, yet another slew 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:37.040 of emails asking us to never do that again. Um, 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:41.080 we'll see, I'd end up reading some Shell Silverstein. You know. 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:43.800 Saddest thing I Alveray did see was a woodpecker pack 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:46.360 under a plastic tree, looked at me and friends says 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:48.080 he thinks and as sweet as he used to be. 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:52.880 That's That's about where poetry stops for me. Man. Oh, 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:56.319 Shell Silverstein was a genius, That's all I'm gonna say. 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:59.720 And and I'll also admit the poetry is polarizing. Either 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:01.760 you enjoy it or you just completely hate the whole 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:03.160 idea of it. And for those of you in the 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:05.920 latter camp, I blame your high school English teachers. But 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:08.880 I'm gonna stick with the theme of polarized opinions here. 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:11.960 It's time for fin clips, where we tell you everything 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:13.880 you never wanted to know about a fish you may 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:16.839 or may not have heard of. This week, Joe is 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:20.680 gonna deep dive into a trout subspecies about which anglers 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:27.800 are staunchly divided. Say the word tiger trout to a 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:31.480 devout trout angler, and you often get one of two responses. 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:35.600 Said angler is often enthralled by tiger trout, considering them 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:38.200 a rare prize, if not somewhat of a badge of honor, 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:40.520 to have plucked a tiger or two from local waters 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:44.120 over the course of their fishing careers. Or you get 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:48.480 disdain because it's believed that tigers are simply frankenstein hatcher 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:53.240 recreations that don't really belong anywhere, and they're so ravenous 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:56.480 and dumb that it takes no skill whatsoever to catch one. 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:59.960 Both of these responses are fair and at least partial 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:03.760 the accurate. A tiger trout is a hybrid. It's a 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.120 cross between a brook trout and a brown trout, and 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:08.360 the result of this genetic mashup is a fish with 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:12.120 a deep brown or olive e back, fiery orange belly, 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:15.560 and a body full of swirling gold striation marks that 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:19.120 you guessed it look kind of like tiger stripes. And 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:23.520 like all hybrids, including the tiger muskie, tiger trout are sterile. 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:28.120 Many states include tigers in their trout stocking programs, as 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:31.199 creating them in a hatchery is relatively easy. Now. According 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:34.600 to my research, brown trout have eighty chromosomes and brook 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:38.280 trout have eighty four. So in the process of tiger making, 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:41.680 brown trout eggs are fertilized with brook trout mill and 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:45.200 then heat shocked, which causes the creation of an extra 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:49.480 set of chromosomes, thus increasing the survival rate of that 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:52.320 batch of tigers from five percent all the way up 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:56.280 to The final result is a trout that grows more 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:59.240 quickly than other species, tends to be more aggressive than 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:03.000 other species, and is generally heartier and more tolerant of 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:07.240 environmental factors that regular old brooks, browns, and rainbows might 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:11.000 not dig. So much that hardiness I've actually witnessed with 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:13.319 my own eyes right. I live right on the Lower 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:16.679 Delaware River, which creates the border between New Jersey and Pennsylvania. 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:19.600 And while the upper reaches of this river, nearly three 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:22.520 miles away, provide some of the best wild brown trout 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:25.680 fishing in the country, the vast majority of the Delaware 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:29.200 is far too warm to support trout. However, there are 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:32.120 countless stock streams that drain into the main stem along 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.880 those three hundred miles, so it's not super rare for 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:38.400 a lucky smallmouth shad or striper angler to pull the 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:41.640 occasional wayward trout from the low end, and guess what 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:46.560 of the time when they do, it's a tiger. I've 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:50.360 seen reports of tigers caught as far south as Philadelphia 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:55.040 in the sludgy, cargo ship laden tidal water, which tells me, yeah, 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:59.319 tigers are tougher than your average trout. While the vast 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:02.160 majority of tiger trout the people catch ended up wherever 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:05.360 they caught them because of this big science experiment, tiger 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:08.120 trout do occur naturally in the wild, though it is 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:11.280 incredibly rare, and since at least from what I gather, 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:14.840 it mostly happens in small streams, you're not likely to 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:17.880 stumble into a twenty pound thirteen announced tiger trout like 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:21.800 Peter Friedland did on Lake Michigan in to claim the 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:24.280 i g F a world record. In fact, I have 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:27.840 a distinct recollection of a frame tiger trout photo hanging 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:30.760 in a tiny fly shop on Slate Run in north 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:33.840 central PA. It was only about six inches long, cradled 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:36.320 lovingly in a pair of cupped hands, and the owner 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:39.240 told me it's the only wild tiger he'd ever seen 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.320 or heard of in all his years fishing. This famed 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:46.040 wild trout stream. If, per chance, you happen to be 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:48.000 one of those trout fishermen that make it a life 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:51.240 goal to catch as many species of wild trout as possible, 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:54.600 you can increase your odds of scratching off wild tiger 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:58.440 trout by heading to Wisconsin. According to the innerwebs and 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:03.040 I quote Whiskson currently has no stocking program for tiger trout, 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:06.560 but the hybrids show up naturally in the States small streams, 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:10.920 in particular in the Driftless area. As brook trout populations 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:16.400 have rebounded, incidences of tiger trout have improved from exceedingly 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:21.200 rare too a bit better than rare. Now. As for 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:24.920 their i'll eat anything that moves aggression, I've personally never 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:27.400 witnessed that, though I've also never fished any lakes or 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:31.280 rivers with an abundance of tigers. However, on my wall 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:34.240 there's a beautiful wood carving of a fat twenty inch 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:38.040 tiger with its full colors blazing, and to date it 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:40.800 is the only trout I've ever had eat a mouse 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:45.080 fly in broad daylight on my beloved Upper Delaware River. Now, 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:47.520 maybe that was because I just paid like the perfect 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:50.840 presentation man, or maybe it was the only trout in 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:54.199 the run dumb and aggressive enough to make that move 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:59.240 before nightfall. Frankly, I don't care. It was a fabulous take, 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.520 akin to a great white smashing the seal. So I 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:05.920 sit squarely in the tigers are super cool camp, and 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:09.600 that mouse eater is definitely one of my most memorable catches. 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.960 Still never caught a tiger trout show. I know why, right, 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:19.240 Because you fish for wild trout and wild places like you, 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:21.880 you don't view catching a giant orange rainbow trout that 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:25.720 ten people are bombarding spinners and eggs and ship as 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:29.320 like a rite of trout fishing passage. You know, nobody 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:32.560 needs to supplement that Montana waters with freaks of nature 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:35.360 to make people feel like they're trout stamp money is 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:37.120 being west. But you don't even have a trout stamp. 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:38.280 You know what a trout stamp? You know what a 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:39.880 trout stamps. I know what a trout stamp is. I 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:42.800 have purchased them elsewhere. But you know, like despite all 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.960 of that, like it's not like I'm stuck up about it. 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.480 I know that there's this holier than though attitude about 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:50.880 wild trout, not wild trout, and I just don't buy 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:54.040 into all that. I have no beef with palomino trout 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:58.360 or tiger trout or any other weird fish at all. Like, 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:01.000 I don't hold myself above it of those kinds of fishing. 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:03.120 I'm down to do that. The problem is that there 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:06.960 are just too many species and not enough time. There 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:10.320 are so many interesting fish out there that I just 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:12.920 I just want to harass for my own entertainment. Yeah, 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:15.600 it's a constant problem. And like I could travel to 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:18.040 chase new fish, or I could stay local and you know, 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:21.160 spend less time on the road. Um. But the thing is, man, 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:24.040 it's like we're just lucky to have options, and you 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:26.720 have options to listeners. You could get your fish news 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:29.160 from anywhere, but you choose to get it here at 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:31.760 the number one source for fish news. And we appreciate 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:40.040 that fish news that escalated quickly. Okay, so before we 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:42.280 get in the news, this has kind of become our 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:45.120 space for housekeeping. And uh, I think Myles and I 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:48.000 have to say thank you to you guys, because due 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:51.000 to your overwhelming supporting the awkward fishing photos Arena, we 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:53.720 will not have to make fun of our own fishing 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:58.800 photos for a good long while. We were worried what 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.160 we started that out like just gonna be us making 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:03.320 fun of each other in perpetuity. But no, you have 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:06.600 given us a gold mine. Yes, and and and in 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:09.520 collecting these and looking through the milk has been shot 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:12.600 out of noses. Okay, And we love you guys for that, 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:14.720 and just wanted to give you guys a heads up. 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:16.720 It's starting. In just a few episodes down the road, 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:20.520 we will press on with awkward moments in angling, fueled 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:24.360 entirely by you guys. Okay. So now the big question, though, 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:26.520 is is which one of you will be fan victim 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:29.800 number one? And unfortunately, right now it's just too early 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:33.080 to call it. We don't know. It's just too close, 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:38.120 as we're apparently waiting on a few photos to come 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:39.520 in from a handful of you that said you had 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:43.960 shots incorporating full frontal nudity, friends crying hysterically in teletubby costumes. 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.880 So we appreciate your patients. Just a few episodes down 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:51.240 the road, we'll have our first fan winner selected. So 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:54.760 that's housekeeping for this week. Anyway, onto the real news, 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:57.200 and remember this is a competition. Miles and I do 0:16:57.280 --> 0:16:59.520 not know which news stories the other guy is bringing 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.280 to the table um and at the end, our bent 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:05.600 Pole analyst and audio engineer Phil will declare a winner 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:09.240 in the race for fish News domination. The floor the 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:12.920 podium is now going to Miles. I'm the leadoff man 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:15.879 and uh and yep, I'm going I'm going full on 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:18.720 fish geek here and the first one. Just just see 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:20.879 where it gets me. But that's that's what I was feeling. 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:25.000 And I know there there there are some salmon and 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:28.760 steel head junkies listening to this and right now, as 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:31.919 our our good buddy Scatch Johnson would say, they're in 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:36.600 the depths of the Jones. I hope everybody's faring pretty well. 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:38.920 As we get through. We should check him. We should 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:40.879 check in with him because he said should be the 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:43.760 wetta make sure he's still okay. I think he went 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:47.120 up and smoke um, but we'll find him somewhere. So 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:50.040 I'm gonna go full on Left Coast and Adremus with 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:53.159 this story. First, I'm gonna give a little context for 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:56.199 everybody who wasn't fully versed with the migration habits of 0:17:56.359 --> 0:18:00.280 Pacific Salman. It's steelhead of rainbow trout that migraine out 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:02.480 of their natal rivers as smalt and live their adult 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:05.760 lives in the Pacific Ocean, where they get way bigger 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:08.159 and stronger than your your standard river rainbow. And that's 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:10.240 why people love to fish for him so much. They 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:14.360 return to spawn in those rivers and and sometimes take 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:17.359 months swimming up hundreds of miles against the current to 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:19.600 reach their spawning grounds. Right, so most people know that, 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:23.400 but fewer people are aware that steelhead don't all migrate 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:27.840 at the same time. There are two distinct runs of steelhead. 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:30.440 One enters freshwater in the summer and one in winter. 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:34.800 Steelhead are not the only salmon id with this dual 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:38.879 migration pattern. Chinook also known as king salmon, do the 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:41.680 same thing, with a spring run and a fall run 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:46.280 in certain watersheds now back in biologists were able to 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:50.440 isolate a genetic difference between the two populations of both 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:54.440 steelhead and kings of variation in two genes, just two 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:58.080 genes that determines of a fish migrates early or late. 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:00.760 But they couldn't exactly figure out what the as genes did, 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:03.520 all right, So they got like these two genes determined 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.240 when you migrate, but they don't know why got it? 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:09.760 Their hypothesis was that it had something to do with 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:15.280 with metabolism or sexual maturation, because early runs are generally 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:18.760 smaller and less sexually mature, while later runs are are 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:22.600 usually much bigger and more mature. So now there's this 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:26.439 new study that just came out focused exclusively on kings 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:29.240 and and just recently published in the journal Science. But 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:33.360 it totally disputes that hypothesis. This study found that those 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:37.480 genes have nothing to do with body size or maturity. 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:40.960 It seems like the only reason that early and late 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:44.359 run fish look so different is just purely timing. The 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:46.439 fish that stay in the ocean longer chowing and all 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:49.080 the food just get bigger. It's that say, they probably 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:52.440 have slightly different food sources, like, yeah, so it's it's 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:56.440 just those variables. Yeah, this is what they're learning. Yeah, exactly. 0:19:56.680 --> 0:19:59.359 And this doesn't seem like much of an aha moment, right, 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:02.119 It's like kind of a disappointment, And it's actually a 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:06.040 really big disappointment for for some factions of the steelhead 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:09.639 and salmon conservation community. While wild salmon and steelhead in 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:13.480 general aren't doing that well, early run fish are declining 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:17.000 much more dramatically than late run fish, and that's true 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:20.280 for both kings and steelhead. Early run fish spend more 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:24.000 time in rivers and tend to spawn higher upstream in 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:28.159 the river systems. The more time that these fish spending rivers, 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:31.240 the more vulnerable they are. They have to expend more energy, 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:34.120 they have to get past more dams, avoid all those 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:37.680 hordes of jerk off anglers like us, they've gotta deal 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:41.480 with fluctuations in water levels and temperature, and beyond that, 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:44.639 Damn's block some of those early run fish from reaching 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:48.120 their traditional spawning grounds. So now they're hybridizing with late 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:51.240 run fish and and that could be further contributing to 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:55.440 their decline. So there's there's this little study right there's like, well, 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:57.479 we figured out it's not what we thought it was, 0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:00.920 and that might be interesting to biologists, but it doesn't 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:03.400 seem like it's going to help accomplish what some anglers 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:06.840 have been hoping for, and that's to provide concrete evidence 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:10.880 to advocate for managing summer and winter runs differently under 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:14.600 federal law. There have been these these these certain factions 0:21:14.600 --> 0:21:18.240 that have been pushing for years to categorize both spring 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:21.800 chinook and summer steelhead as endangered and they were kind 0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:23.400 of hoping that this might be the thing that helped 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:25.919 get it there. But it doesn't look like this exact 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:28.800 study is going to move that over the line. Depending 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:31.640 on your perspective, you could think that's good or bad, 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:34.960 you know. Every time. Again, Man, I can't stress enough 0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:38.520 like I am, I'm I'm not very well versed in 0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:42.720 this scene. I've only dabbled in it um but the 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:46.360 complexities of the whole thing, like there's so much working 0:21:46.520 --> 0:21:51.240 against those fisheries. It is just one thing after another 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:56.159 after another. And I've never fully understood that whole spring 0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:58.400 run far run thing because even though all those fish 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:00.280 in the Great Lakes are fake, we'll just will just 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:02.920 call it what it is. There's really no spring runs here, 0:22:03.040 --> 0:22:06.560 and it it all times out really, really well. So 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:09.040 I guess you know what I'm really driving at is 0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:12.000 that as manufactured is what I know of steel heading 0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:14.439 is at least you can sort of count on it. 0:22:14.520 --> 0:22:17.679 To now have to worry about all these different runs 0:22:17.800 --> 0:22:21.000 and and what's mixing like, I don't know. Man, to me, 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:23.680 it's just head spinning. And God bless all the guys 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:25.960 who are who are into this, because to to follow 0:22:26.000 --> 0:22:28.359 along and have to play in this sort of orchestra 0:22:28.600 --> 0:22:31.960 of what is not turning out very well. I feel 0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:33.720 for those guys to have such a passion for a 0:22:33.760 --> 0:22:36.960 fish that that's it's just getting more and more difficult 0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:39.760 to catch. Yeah, I mean, it makes sense that you 0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:41.680 guys would only have one run. That the systems aren't 0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:44.560 that long. You're talking about fish over here that my 0:22:44.640 --> 0:22:47.720 grade so much further hundreds and hundreds of miles sometimes 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:50.119 the summer unfish go before they reach spawning ground. So 0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:52.879