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Speaker 1: if you give them the chance to do their thing,

426
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 1: they're gonna do it and they'll be all right. We

427
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: just need to like stop putting things in their way

428
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: and and and not to get off on it. But

429
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: just in your opinion, as you're more into this scene,

430
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: is that an achievable thing this day and age, with

431
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: all the dam is it achievable? It's achievable. But I

432
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: don't know if if we're going to do what we

433
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: have to do to get there. I don't know if

434
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 1: there's the political will to do it, but we we

435
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: can do it. We're not past the tipping point yet,

436
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 1: but I don't know if there's a political will to

437
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: do what has to be done. As with all things,

438
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: we love hearing your opinions, so weigh in on it.

439
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 1: Where you guys think we are on the West coast

440
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 1: with steel Uh, you know, I will definitely no matter

441
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: how much how much you guys struggle. Um, I call

442
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: you guys a tribe the same way I call the

443
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: east Side Steelhead dudes a tribe. And you know it's

444
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: a it's a bad segue, but but tribalism is really

445
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 1: the only thing I have to connect to my next

446
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 1: story here, So we'll go from Steelhead tribes to a

447
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: tribe that, um, I really can't stand kind of sort of.

448
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 1: So I have a question for you. Do you know

449
00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: what salt life is? Oh? Yeah, see you do believe it?

450
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: You know you see those stickers on cars in Montana

451
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 1: like thing out here too great? They were, Okay they

452
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna be on the same page here, okay, So uh,

453
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: for those you who don't know what that is, salt

454
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 1: life is the epitome of a term people just love

455
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: to throw around these days that being lifestyle brand. I

456
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: hate hate lifestyle brand, and because it just means you

457
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: don't make anything particularly useful or innovative. You just slap

458
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 1: a logo on all kinds of cheap ship and sell

459
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: it for more money sunglasses and stickers and stuff. It's

460
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 1: just like the new word for an apparel brand. Anyway,

461
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: Salt Life sort of got out ahead of all that, okay,

462
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: and they kicked off that brand long before all the

463
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: other brands chasing their tail and success. And I've been

464
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: told by numerous people in the know over the years

465
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: that a huge chunk of Salt Life's business is just stickers. Okay,

466
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: didn't make anything else they do, but okay, So if

467
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: I pissed anybody off by saying this, I apologize, but

468
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell it like it is. Salt Life stickers

469
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,479
Speaker 1: have sold so well and gotten so endy and are

470
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: available in so many places that that what's kind of

471
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 1: happened is they've almost become a mark of posers and

472
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: not legit people who actually live the Salt life. Because

473
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: if you really do live the Salt life, like you

474
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: don't need to tell you're not gonna put a sticker

475
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: on the truck that said salt Like, yeah, like, if

476
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,719
Speaker 1: you run ten charters a week and don't sleep and

477
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: smell like clams all the time, like, you don't need

478
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: that sticker. Okay, that that is just that is just

479
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: your life. So basically nowadays, least out here, and I

480
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: know in Florida, if you're a boat ram and dude

481
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: pulls in with salt life all over his stuff, like,

482
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 1: he's probably the one that's gonna put his truck in

483
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: the water. You know, that's where it's become. For the record,

484
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: I love a good sticker, Okay, I really do. But

485
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: I think what happened there is when you can buy

486
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: him in gas stations and souvenir stores and every tackle

487
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: shop and maybe some walmarts, it's just hard to feel

488
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: like you're wrapping something cool and niche anymore. And and

489
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: like you said, I've seen those stickers in Ohio, Buffalo, Tennessee.

490
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: It's like really so so okay, now here's where things

491
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: are gonna get weird. So where is all this going?

492
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,959
Speaker 1: Why am I setting all this up? Here comes the night,

493
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: Here comes the m night. Shamalan twist. Okay, I'm reading

494
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: from a New York Post article here. A co founder

495
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: of a popular Florida clothing brand has been charged with

496
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: manslaughter and gun possession and the death of an eighteen

497
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: year old woman found shot at a South Florida hotel.

498
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: Michael Troy Huddo, fifty four, who co founded Salt Life

499
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: Apparel in Jacksonville Beach with three friends in two thousand three,

500
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 1: was arrested at a Jacksonville hospital. Why they added this,

501
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 1: I don't know, but while wearing hospital scrubs and skid

502
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 1: proof socks. Okay, so detail, but they put it in

503
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 1: there right. So it says officers responded to the facility

504
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: following the welfare check on Laura Grace Duncan at the

505
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 1: Hilton Ocean Front Resort and Singer Island near Palm Beach,

506
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: where the eighteen year old was found dead from a

507
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: gunshot wound, and according to the story, she'd been missing

508
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: since October twenty six. Now, to be clear, there's nothing

509
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: funny about this, like that that is a that is

510
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: a tragedy. But the story actually says it was Huddo

511
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: who coined the term salt Life, and while he was

512
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: one of the original founders, Huddo had not been part

513
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: of the business since. Why because that was the year

514
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: he and his original partners sold it for forty million dollars.

515
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Bobs. So like you had it all, bro,

516
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: You made a goofy little catchphrase and some stickers and

517
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: cashed in forty million dollars. Like what is wrong with you?

518
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: Like that's the dream? And then and then you're like

519
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna commit manslaughter? So I mean again, like it's

520
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: just like, I don't know how many of my friends

521
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: sent me this link. They were like, dude, have you

522
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: seen this? And it's like the Salt Life guy and

523
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: I sent you. I mean, his mug shot is epic,

524
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: like he looks like like a complete like like luned,

525
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: like you'd see the dude slinging shrimp at a bait

526
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: bar and outside Fort Myers. No, it's it's it's I mean,

527
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: if you think of the archetype of Florida man, that's

528
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: the photo. That's what it looks like. To me. It's

529
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: it's it's sort of like that Nick Nulty mug shot, Yes,

530
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: but transposed into a Florida man. I don't know, subscribe it.

531
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: And the only thing I could say about about his

532
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: photo is that. Obviously some of that forty mill went

533
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: to Veneers because his teeth are beauty. His teeth are beautiful.

534
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: The rest of him he just looks super strung out.

535
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: So that's a tragic tale. Dude's gonna get Salt Life

536
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: in prison. But um, I just wanted to use that line.

537
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: That whole setup was just for that line, wasn't it.

538
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: It's possible I was either gonna do that or or

539
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: or fifties assault life one or the other. Um I

540
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: can't not, so again, like it's there's not There's not

541
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: really a lot to expand on there other than like,

542
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: holy shit, the Salt Life guy like quite possibly murdered somebody.

543
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: That's terrible. I'm gonna rinse that taste out of all

544
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: of our mouths right now because I just can't. I

545
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: can't handle that, and I want to. I want to

546
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: end on a high note. So I'm bringing I'm bringing

547
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: something kind of happy and positive here to end this

548
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: after like the horrible date rape manslaughter story. That's just anyway, Okay,

549
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: So don't you feel bad for telling the story. Every

550
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: life is part of the fishing community. I'm not giving

551
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: you a hard time. I just can't like I have

552
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: the from that guy. He's terrible, that's all. So I

553
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: just want to I want to I want to move on.

554
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: Uh So my last one is yet another Australian fish

555
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: news entrance, because frankly, let's just be honest, the Aussie's

556
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: punch way above their weight in terms of interesting fish stories.

557
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: Maybe just in all stories, but certainly in fish stories.

558
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: And the more I hear from them, the more I'm like,

559
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: if I was ever going to leave this country, Australia

560
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: is like got like they got some cool ship going on. Agreed,

561
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: And I'll apologize to to our Aussie listeners because you've

562
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: all probably heard this one, but for everyone else, just enjoy.

563
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: So the headline I found in the Catherine Times reads

564
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: fisherman fights off croc to reel in ten thousand dollar barra.

565
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: I mean, how how can you not read that story? Okay,

566
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: how can you avoid it? They're just there's so many

567
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: layers there. I can't wait to hear how it's a

568
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: ten thousand dollar barra. But before I get into the

569
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: physics of the story, I need to explain the million

570
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: dollar fish competition. So in two thousand fifteen, the Northern

571
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,479
Speaker 1: Territory of Australia started a program to encourage sport fishing

572
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: participation in tourism. Barra mundy are one of the top

573
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: sport fish in all of Australia and the fish for

574
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: which the Northern Territory is best known. The other species

575
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: that this area is known for perhaps infamous for our

576
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: saltwater crocodiles. All right, so more on that later. Keep

577
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: keep that in mind. I mean this goes back to

578
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: that that video, maybe that viral video that gator coming

579
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: out that crop coming out like dude, that made some rounds.

580
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: So those things are huge and scary and they eat people. Yeah, yeah, Well,

581
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: the million dollar Fish is a competition, is not a tournament.

582
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: So it breaks down like this. At the start of

583
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: the season, a set number of barramundy are captured, tagged

584
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: and released across the five primary fishing regions of the

585
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: Northern Territory. And there is a huge area. This is

586
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: not just like your backyard. It's hundreds of miles, yes,

587
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: hundreds of miles of water, I should say. The competition

588
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: runs from the beginning of October through the end of

589
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: March and anyone with the proper license can go out

590
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: and try and catch one of these fish, there are

591
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: different tags, and the different tags are worth different prizes.

592
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: This year there are seven fish wearing million dollar tags,

593
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: meaning if you catch a fish with one of those,

594
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: you get a million bucks period. On top of that,

595
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: on top of that, you couldn't do this here, like

596
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: we kill each other over and all the fish will

597
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: be dead. There are also a hundred fish out there

598
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: worth ten grand each twenty charity fish that earned the

599
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: angler bucks with additional charity and then five double tag

600
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: bearra and on that. When the angler gets ten grand

601
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: and they get to kick an additional five to a buddy,

602
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,719
Speaker 1: they know who's in need, which is you know, look wow.

603
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: But and here's the thing. I'm probably just a cynical American,

604
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: but I read this and I immediately assume there's there's

605
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: some kind of seedy downside all this. It can't just

606
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: be that up and up and and nice. And if

607
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: there is, I wasn't able to find it, Like I

608
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: I couldn't find it in the looking that I did.

609
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,719
Speaker 1: Seems like the tourism Bureau teamed up with a variety

610
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: of sponsors to incentivize people to fish more. That's all

611
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: there is to it. And I love it like I

612
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: just I love the whole thing anyway. Brian Aaron's of

613
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: Humpty Do Australia. I swear to god I didn't make

614
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: that up. That's the town he's from. Was out fishing

615
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: on October when he hooked a nice barra. As he

616
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: was reeling it in, he noticed a six foot saltwater

617
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: croc trailing his fish. He told The Times quote a

618
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: croc seemed very interested in him and had a bit

619
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: of a go at the fish. As I wound him in,

620
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: I saw the croc on the surface chasing it Like

621
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, I'm not even pretending to do an accent,

622
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 1: but like, how how flat and even of a quote?

623
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: Is that? Right? So as he gets the fish close

624
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: to the boat, Errand's sees the red tag indicating this

625
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: just wasn't like a nice barra or any other nice

626
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: bear he might want to catch the things. Yeah, and now,

627
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 1: like the steakes have changed, I looked at a bunch

628
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: of stories and there are no more details on exactly

629
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: how he managed to get the fish into the boat

630
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: all by himself without losing it or any digits to

631
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: the croc. It just says like he was all by himself.

632
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: He got it in and and the only quote I

633
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: could find from Errand's about it simply said, quote, I

634
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: was so excited when I saw the red tag, but

635
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: trying to land it by myself was a bit of

636
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: a challenge. I was glad I eventually got it in

637
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: the boat, like a bit of a challenge. You got

638
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: like a man eating crocodile coming straight at your boat

639
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: as you're reeling this fishing, Like, oh, it was a

640
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: bit of a challenge. It's all right, dude. To the Australians, man,

641
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: they're just tougher than us. Sorry, how many it's on

642
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: the news every week? Like alligator looked at me while

643
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: I was railing in my lower big news in Florida.

644
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: I ran away. They yeah, they ran away. Yeah exactly.

645
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: It's different down there. I have no idea how how

646
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: Brian Aaron's pulled that off. But he's now ten thousand

647
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: bucks richer money, he says he's going to use to

648
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 1: pay off the mortgage on his house, so good, good

649
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: for him, good for him being responsible. If this was

650
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: this was a competition here, some hill billy would win

651
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: it and be like, I'm buying new Ranger and new

652
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: boble home and like your house is collapsing, he's paying

653
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: off his mortgage. That's terrific. Everything about this makes me

654
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: feel like just just reinforces that Australia are are maybe

655
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: more decent humans than we are. I don't know. That's

656
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: that's terrific. And and oddly are our stories are actually

657
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: a little bit linked here in a in a strange way.

658
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: It's both fishing for money, um, though a very different

659
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: different tackle on this. And I find this next story

660
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: interesting because there's so much emphasis on invasive species these days, right,

661
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: particularly like with snakeheads. Everybody wants those dead, right, And

662
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: but one argument that snakehead lovers such as myself love

663
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: to throw back is that in many cases, if the

664
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: fish you want to save by killing all the snakeheads,

665
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: I mean they're not native either, you know, established for

666
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: a long time doesn't make them native. And let's be honest,

667
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: large mouth, smallmouth, walleye, crop ease, they're all predators too,

668
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: It's just that they weren't. You weren't around in the

669
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: early days when they first got established to complain about

670
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: the introduction hurting you know, true native chubbs or white

671
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: fish or bofin or whatever was there, right, So you

672
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: know what else is non native to this country and

673
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: a hardcore predator are beloved brown trout, and the state

674
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: of our Zona wants to see brown trout blood spilled

675
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: so badly they're willing to pay anglers twenty five dollars

676
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: a pop for every dead brownie that measures more than

677
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: six inches in the Lee's Ferry stretch of the Colorado River.

678
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: No way, so this is this is from a story

679
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: in in the St. George News. Uh reading here. The

680
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: National Park Service in Arizona Game and Fish Department are

681
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: working with partners and seeking the public's help and addressing

682
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: the threat of brown trout in the Colorado River. According

683
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: to a joint press release, the National Park Service at

684
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: Glen Canyon National Recreation Area will implement an incentivized harvest

685
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: beginning November eleven. The pilot research program is intended to

686
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: reduce the growing population of brown trout in the Colorado

687
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: River below Glen Canyon Dam. The incentivized harvest will reward

688
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: anglers twenty five smackers for each brown over six inches

689
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: that is caught and removed from the river. Frankly, I'm

690
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: surprised you didn't have this one, right, I didn't see

691
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: that one. But I'm so excited about this story. Yeah,

692
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 1: so okay. So the brown trout population in Lee's Ferry,

693
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: it says, has steadily increased since as adults. Brown trout

694
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: primarily feed duh on other fish, potentially threatening downstream native species.

695
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: Now it goes without saying, if you're a trout dude

696
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: in this area, you're probably like bro River's chicking out

697
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: some sick brownies, like this is paradise right. Likewise, if

698
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: if you're a trout bum there or elsewhere, especially if

699
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: you think your game is just so dialed, perhaps you're

700
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: thinking about renting an airbnb out there for the next

701
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 1: few months and raking in a cool you know, fift

702
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: k flexing your streamer skills. You know what I mean, Ship,

703
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: I might, I might pull an extended I might pull

704
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: an extended leave from meat eat and get on this

705
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: brown trout gold rush, you know what I mean. Anyway,

706
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: to get back to the story, the gold of program

707
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: is to determine if an incentivized harvest can help manage

708
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 1: and reduce the number of brown trout in the Colorado

709
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: River between Glen Cany, Damn and the mouth of the

710
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: Pariah River. The initial research into the u SO of

711
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: this tool is designed to last three to four years,

712
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: at which time the program will be evaluated for its effectiveness.

713
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 1: There is no limit on the number of brown trout

714
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,240
Speaker 1: that can be retained and turned in for reward within

715
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: this program. And uh it links you to guidelines which

716
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: are pretty simple. You basically just have to have a

717
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: valid Arizona license. Uh, you do have to fish barbarous

718
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: hooks because this part of the river, um, he's already

719
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: a Blue ribbon section. And just to paint a clearer picture, okay,

720
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: the abridge version of miles you might be able to

721
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 1: add to this. This is more your neck of the woods.

722
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: Prior to the Glen Canyon Dam being built in sixty three,

723
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 1: this part of the river was muddy and pretty warm

724
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: and only had native species like chubb minnows and pike

725
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: minnows and such. Damn goes in water spilling over is

726
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: cleaner and colder, and overtime this stretch is groomed into

727
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: a blue ribbon wild rainbow trout fishery. So what's happening now,

728
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: despite early shocking efforts to stop this, is that the

729
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: browns and the trips downstream of this section are expanding

730
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: in the Colorado River at a fast rate. Um Now,

731
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: in most places right where you fish, there's harmony. Best

732
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,439
Speaker 1: rivers in the world have both species. But here our

733
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: beloved browns are are being called out for being too bullish,

734
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: too aggressive, and detriment to the ecosystem. And I just

735
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: find this interesting and kind of like a hand to

736
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: like the snakehead crew, because just this past summer there

737
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: was a kerfuffle over snakeheads in the Upper Delaware River

738
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: where I live. That everyone is now wheried is gonna

739
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: kill all the brown trout? Ironic, is it not? But

740
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: my biggest takeaway from this whole thing, like when you

741
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: look at other invasives, it's like, hey, snakehead states, you

742
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: want to pay me for you know, in every other

743
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: frog truker twenty five bones per dead dragon. That dude

744
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: that might make a dent in the population, that might

745
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: actually flip some catch and release dudes and turn them

746
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 1: into snake killers. Because way I see it, everyone generally

747
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: loves a good brown trout, but Arizona is confident that

748
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 1: despite that, folks will kill them for profit. So how

749
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: many how many people out there hate snakeheads. You could

750
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: probably offer half that price and people will jump. Here's

751
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: what I said. I don't think it's gonna work. I

752
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 1: hope it does, but on these really, you don't think

753
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: it's gonna work. They've been trying the same thing in

754
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: Idaho for however many years, trying to get rid of

755
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: the rainbows in the South Fork because okay, they're a

756
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 1: major problem with the cutthroats there, and it has not worked.

757
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: So I'm skeptical that it's gonna work in these fairy

758
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: because it's similar like fly fishing culture fish there on

759
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: the Colorado. Yeah, in this in this stretch they're talking about. No,

760
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: I've floated the Grand Canyon and I've fished through there,

761
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: and I think it's one of the coolest fisheries anywhere.

762
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: But it's also completely screwed up, like the Damn's have

763
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: messed it up. We've killed most native It was suckers, chubs,

764
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: and pike minows. That's all it was there, and and

765
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: we've pretty much gotten rid of all of them, but

766
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: there are a few hanging on for dear life. Well,

767
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: I still think it's interesting, and I hope it's just

768
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: like that. It's just like the dig of like you know,

769
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: these fish are killing Harvey took our rather fish. Dude,

770
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: they're trying to kill some browns out there, and brown

771
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 1: are like so American, but they're not over here German

772
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: brown trout. So that's gonna be maybe a little little

773
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: point to fight over. And uh, speaking of points to

774
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 1: fight over, as soon as we hear from Phil On

775
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: who has one news this week, our friend river Horse

776
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: is going to come in for some sage Lee wisdom.

777
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: He's gonna go down swinging. You might throw hands, You

778
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 1: never know, you never know how it's gonna go. Listen.

779
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: I haven't been on a plane for almost a year now,

780
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: and Miles, when you were talking about Australia, that just

781
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: really sounded great. I mean, I'd love to get on

782
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: a trans Pacific flight, get cozy in a middle seat.

783
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: I miss it, I really do. There four Miles, you're

784
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: the winner this week again. Does my criteria make any sense? No?

785
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: But you know what does make sense my lifestyle brand.

786
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 1: For only thirty you can get your own own Audio

787
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 1: Eternity sticker. That's right. It says Audio Eternity in comic sands,

788
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: bright highlighter yellow text on a beige background. You can

789
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: stick it wherever you want. It looks terrible, It just

790
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: it looks hideous. Hey, now this is rehearse with some

791
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: Sage Lee wisdom. Let's talk about the old desktop, the

792
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: brawl on the playground. Yes, once, long ago, even this peaceful, angelic,

793
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: poetry loving Texas tree hugger, fly fishing hippie had it out.

794
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: This is a story about why it always pays to

795
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: keep your cool, and it's also about a giant cat

796
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: who could open up an a one certified can of

797
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: what pass It's called the Paw. In college up in

798
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: the Midwest, we had a shitty band. It was mainly

799
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: an excuse to rent a giant house, drink a ton

800
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: of beer, and dream of groupies. There were a few

801
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: inherited cats and dogs living with us, and the most

802
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: infamous of them all was a feline named the Paw.

803
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 1: He was roughly the size of a sheep unsheared. Whenever

804
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: we put some grub into the food bowls, the Paw

805
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 1: would start eating. If any other cat, dog, or human

806
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: crossed the threshold into the kitchen, the Paw would raise

807
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: his left mit into the air, hold it unwaveringly and

808
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: wait until the fool backed the hell out of there

809
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: lest the paw open up a jumbo can of war pass.

810
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: This happened about once a month and never failed to

811
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: whip us all into a frenzy. W of course, inspired

812
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: more beer drinking and philosophizing. We wrote essays on the paw,

813
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: put a frame black and white, eight by ten of

814
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: them in the bathroom, and we all wish we were

815
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: that definitive of a badass. We weren't. He was an

816
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: unlikely hero, although we knew deep down that in real

817
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: life we can't just go around beating the crap out

818
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 1: of each other when we feel like it. Decades later,

819
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: I found myself on a crowded jetty. I wouldn't have

820
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: been there anywhere else with another fisherman even remotely around,

821
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 1: except for the rumor that there had been a slew

822
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: of forty pound redfish running it all month. I ambled

823
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: down a quarter mile in partial shock at how jam

824
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: packed in bizarre the whole scene was, but eventually found

825
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: the last hundred yards is so empty the tin way

826
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: was lined up. I pull out of Thermisis Salvadoran coffee,

827
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: poured a warm slug into the screw top cup and

828
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: begin finding a casting groove with a butter smooth line

829
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: and a crab pattern. Then it all went to hell.

830
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: What I thought was a seagull dive bombing the left

831
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: side of my shoulder turned out to be a bait chucker,

832
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: standing less than a couple of inches from my elbow,

833
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: firing a grenade of a sinker with a dead shrimp

834
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 1: attached to it for good measure. This is my spot,

835
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 1: he said, grinning from ear to ear. I just lost

836
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: a good one here day ago. We all have interfuses

837
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: of differing lengths. I would offer that these are in

838
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: direct correlation to what our temperature is at the very

839
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: moment that ship hits the fan, for example, how about

840
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: a flat tire? How we respond is inherently relative to

841
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: that fuse. Are we already on thin ice? And laid

842
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: his all to work out on the town for a

843
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: heavy romantic evening. When the steering wheel begins to buck wildly,

844
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: or maybe we've got seven bucks left in our bank account,

845
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: or maybe seven dam making it either a gut shot, nutshot,

846
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: or not even something we feel. I've read some million books,

847
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: and early on I went wild for the nature loving

848
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: pacifists from Emerson to the row and even Gandhi. These

849
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: are my people. Regardless I've known there is a time

850
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: and place to drop the hammer I've always known as

851
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 1: silver back guerrilla is waiting in the wings of any

852
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 1: red blooded soul. But what came out of my mouth

853
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: surprised even me. You spineless dinghis We're gonna flip a coin,

854
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: and there are two options. If you don't haul ass

855
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: right now, I will raise you above my head and

856
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: toss you into the water. For chum, I said, My

857
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 1: friends are right over there, he countered, backing up. Great,

858
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: that's more, Chum, I added. He bailed. I kept fishing

859
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 1: for a while, but I felt so disappointed. The mojo

860
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: was gone from the air, and I wasn't enjoying it

861
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: a bit. Once that happens, it's the point in o return.

862
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: You might as well roll out that man. I'd have

863
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: to walk past my new body and his friends on

864
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: the way out, and it would most likely be interesting.

865
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: But to health it, let's dance, I thought. Having chased

866
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 1: waves around the world for years to surf, I've seen

867
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: the often brutal, dark side of territorialism. The strangest and

868
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: most memorable was watching a surfer actually bite the fins

869
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: off a non local surfboard, but where he held him

870
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: under water while and sent him to the beach. This

871
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,919
Speaker 1: is roughly the equivalent of chewing through a graphite fly

872
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: rod bone eppetite. We all know violence is both pathetic

873
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: and comedic at its core. There is no place for

874
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: it on the water. What can I say? My switch

875
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: was flipped thanks to the perceived lack of etiquette that

876
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: with more than a hundred yards of open space, this

877
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: guy ran down and jacked in next to me. He

878
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: didn't materialize until I had been there while whether it

879
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: was his favorite spot or not. On the way past

880
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: his friends on the jetty ready for more amusement, and

881
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: looking them all in the eyes as I walked through,

882
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: one of them spoke, our friend is a pot licker,

883
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: he said, looking at the offender. Yes he is. I

884
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 1: agreed and kept on going while they all aft. The

885
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,879
Speaker 1: tension was gone. I loaded the truck and drove three

886
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: hours to a lonely and desolate stretch of river where

887
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: I could get back to the reason I fish. But

888
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: I thought about it for much of the way. I've

889
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: certainly learned a few things about myself since that debacle

890
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: years ago. Regardless of the pause, take no prisoner's example.

891
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: In the end, we all know that anger is ugly

892
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: no matter where it happens. And when it happens to

893
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: a fisherman, the old adage always seems to ring true.

894
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: An angry man can't catch fish. It's such a goofball

895
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 1: situation like this, Lord forbid happens again, all act differently.

896
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. Probably there you have it. That's our

897
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: sagely wisdom story time. If today's Kittykat tale had a

898
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: DJ soundtrack, we might be listening to Let Love Rule,

899
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: or even perhaps try a little tenderness. And what do

900
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: you need to know from all of this? That this

901
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: world needs us to take care of each other and

902
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: be there for each other now more than ever. And

903
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: if you ever want to be alone for some solitude

904
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: and water, all you have to do is put your

905
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: boots on the ground and head in deep to wilderness.

906
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: It's out there for you. Oh did you feel that

907
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: I just wrapped my arms around you and gave you

908
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: a big old bear hug. I love you so much.

909
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: Let's fish now. I know river Horse to be more

910
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: of a lover than a fighter, but I think those

911
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: dudes were wise to step off there. I think I

912
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: think they made the right choice. For sure. Man, he's

913
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: got he's got at David Carradine Yoda kind of vibe,

914
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He's one of those that

915
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: you could just see. It takes a lot to push

916
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: him to the edge, but God help you if you

917
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: get him there and nudge him off of it. I

918
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,399
Speaker 1: don't want to see that. And here's what I love

919
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: about the story that he told though, Like we've all

920
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 1: been there, We've all found ourselves in an overcrowded fishing

921
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: situation that just brings out the worst in us, and

922
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: it ends up leading to some kind of confrontation, right

923
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: and and no matter how that confrontation goes for me, anyway,

924
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: my my fishing days ruined. I've never I've never had

925
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: an altercation on the water and thought, well, I'm really

926
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: glad that happened. I'm glad that's how my day went

927
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: like that. It just it never goes that way. I'm

928
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: always I'm always unhappy afterwards. I don't I don't think

929
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: I've ever said I'm really glad that happened. But I

930
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 1: I disagree slightly because around here like where I'm from

931
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: the Northeast, if you let a confrontation ruin your day

932
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: within certain circles and I'm talking to use surf guys

933
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: and salmon guys, right, you have a lot of ruined days,

934
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like Northeasterners are just schooled

935
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: in the art of rising up the group, you know

936
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like before you walk out onto a

937
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: crowd of jetty or even like down south, like a

938
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: pier in Florida, I know, the peer guys, some of

939
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,959
Speaker 1: those dudes you try and get a read on who's

940
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: already out there, and you're often like, Okay, don't be

941
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: near that guy, that guy or that guy. You've got

942
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: to be a bit of a profiler, you know. That's roll.

943
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: I just don't. I just don't find myself in those scenes.

944
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: Maybe that's I just don't have enough exposure. I guess no,

945
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: because you live in big sky country, and the whole

946
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: idea is like big sky, big country, Like there's a

947
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: lot of we can all go hang out and there's

948
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 1: lots of room, but like we're we're just right up

949
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 1: each other's ass here. No matter what you do, whether

950
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,439
Speaker 1: you're looking for fish or you know, a bar that's

951
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: not crowded. We just right up each other's ass. Anyway,

952
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: I said, you gotta be a profiler. And speaking of profiles,

953
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 1: Miles is going to give us one in this week's

954
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: end of the Line segment about a lore. And there

955
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 1: are many of lors like this that it face value.

956
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: You'd think that's that's an ugly, dumb lore like no

957
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: way that catches fish, But this one has been catching

958
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: muskies since before most of you were twinkle in your

959
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: daddy's eye. Well that's not allowed enough, Burke. Seems like

960
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,879
Speaker 1: more and more anglers realize how addictive muskie fishing can

961
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: be every year, which I support because the more people

962
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: we have obsessing over muskies, the more voices we have

963
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: calling out for robust management. Musky waters maybe more crowded

964
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: than they used to be, but there are also more

965
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: muskies than a generation ago. I'll take that trade off.

966
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: The more people target muskies today, the zeal these fish

967
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 1: inspire isn't new. In eight a guy by the name

968
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: of Frank Suet came into this world, and before his

969
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: death his name would become recognizable to just about every

970
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: serious musky angler. Frank grew up in Antigo, a railroad

971
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: town in north central Wisconsin. Frank's folks owned a tavern.

972
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 1: The catter to railroad workers, and Frank made friends with

973
00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 1: many of them will work in the bar. In his

974
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: early twenties, he started hitching rides north on the rail

975
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: cars to fish Pelican Lake, and that's where he discovered

976
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: muskie back Then, muskie fishing involved trolling live suckers. When

977
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: a fish picked up the bait and angler would have

978
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 1: to wait, sometimes more than a half hour before setting

979
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 1: the hook. Frank was enamored with the fish, but unenthusiastic

980
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: about the fishing, it was inefficient and kind of boring.

981
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: In addition to working at his family tavern, Frank also

982
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: owned a trout hatchery and spent a lot of time

983
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: observing fish. As soon as a trout showed signs of weakness,

984
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: bigger fish would take advantage of that weakness and go

985
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: after that. Frank studied the body language of the fish

986
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: that got attacked and learned the behavioral cues that triggered

987
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 1: the predatory response. His takeaway was that a wounded fish

988
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: would begin floating up towards the surface, but then erratically

989
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: dive back down. A couple of feet before starting to

990
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: float back up again. Frank figured a lure that dove

991
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: and rose like a wounded trout might also interest muskies,

992
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: and if he could hang three troubles off it, he

993
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 1: could set the hook as soon as a fish struck,

994
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: So he started carving chunks a cedar with a pen knife.

995
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: On one of his early prototypes, his knife slipped, hacking

996
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: off the tail. Frank, being the type to conjure opportunity

997
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 1: from setback, experimented with riveting in a stainless steel tale,

998
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: which ultimately became the signature attribute of his namesake bait,

999
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: the suic Musky Thriller, arguably the first musky jerk bait.

1000
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: Frank started testing his new lure on Pelican Lakes sometime

1001
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:36,479
Speaker 1: in the mid nineteen thirties. People sometimes call musky jerk

1002
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: bait rods pool cues as a joke, but back then

1003
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: they actually retrofitted pool cues like real pool cues, with

1004
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 1: real seats and guides to use his musky rods. The

1005
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: rigidity of those billiard sticks worked well for Frank's bait,

1006
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: and it showed immediate success. Legend has it that Frank

1007
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: caught thirty musky in thirty days, and the words started

1008
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: to spread about a secret lure. Not everyone was pleased, though,

1009
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: A group of locals got together and drafted a petition

1010
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: to the Wisconsin Conservation Department calling for him to be banned.

1011
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: It read, Gentlemen, we the undersigned hereby petition your honorable

1012
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: body and the Honorable Governor of the State of Wisconsin,

1013
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: to hereby issue in order to prohibit Frank suek of

1014
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: the City of Antigo, County of Langdale, State of Wisconsin,

1015
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: from fishing or taking fish in Pelican Lake, located in

1016
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: Oneida County, until such time whereby other fishermen are able

1017
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: to catch fish out of the above mentioned lake. We

1018
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: hereby do this in the interest of muskies at large.

1019
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: The petition was meant as a joke, but it's still

1020
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: garnered sixty signatures and at least one person took it seriously,

1021
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: vowing to refuse to pay his taxes until Frank was

1022
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: barred from fishing Pelican Lake. By this point, Frank had

1023
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: inherited his family's tavern in Antigo. He changed the name

1024
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: to Sue's Muskie Bar, and it became the nucleus for

1025
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: muskie culture in Wisconsin. Boast in the largest collection of

1026
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: musky heads and mounts in the world. The Suet Muski

1027
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: Thriller went into commercial production nearly eighty years later. Suet

1028
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: Lure Manufacturing still produces them. The company remains in the

1029
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: family and their lures are still made in Antigo, Wisconsin.

1030
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: Over the past couple of decades, musky lure design has

1031
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: come a very long way. You can find bits. There

1032
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: are a lot less work to fish in Sue's demand.

1033
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: Less skill, require far less maintenance and tuning, look more

1034
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: natural and realistic, and are more versatile. But I will

1035
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,919
Speaker 1: never go musky fishing without a suwek in the boat,

1036
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: and I will rarely spend a full day chasing muskies

1037
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: without at least tying one on. So that's all we

1038
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: have you guys on this week's episode. But if this

1039
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: were a Sports Center Top Plays recap, you'd see Paul

1040
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: McClain scribbling mediocre poetry in a composition boat, a carved

1041
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: trout hanging on my wall. That's either a freak of

1042
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,439
Speaker 1: nature or a freak of science. And our boy river

1043
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: Horse almost curve of stomping a bunch of dudes over

1044
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: a red fish spot. And for some reason we still

1045
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: get to call this a fishing podcast. If you want

1046
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,439
Speaker 1: to hear more or less of any of these kinds

1047
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: of things, let us know. Send emails to Bent at

1048
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: the meat eater dot com and I promise that either

1049
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,959
Speaker 1: Joe or I will read them and do our best

1050
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: to respond. Yep, give us a fishing report from your area,

1051
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: send us some photos. We love hearing from you guys.

1052
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: You know, and stay safe out there this week. If

1053
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: you're fishing the jetties or salmon river, wear cleats so

1054
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: you don't fall because it's cold out there now. Also

1055
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: wear breasts knuckles so you win. And if you're creeping

1056
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Speaker 1: around the woods fishing creeks, streams, lakes, or ponds, maybe

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Speaker 1: consider wearing an orange hat, or just do what I

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Speaker 1: do and sing grow Him at the top of your lungs.