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Speaker 2: Look at us now. Tip to Tim. This is our life,

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Speaker 2: this is our passion. That's the spirit we bring to

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Speaker 2: this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat. Two apes in the Cage getting

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Speaker 1: more amazing with age. Hello. Everyone, it is the seventh

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Speaker 1: of February twenty twenty two. It is time for Morning Combat.

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Speaker 1: My name is Luke Thomas and one half of your

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Speaker 1: hosting duo. I join you from the Capital Wills Status

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Speaker 1: NTOS here in Washington, DC with the Crown Prince of Connecticut.

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Speaker 1: He is the can't even do your seventy eight letters

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Speaker 1: somehow describing your balls one way or another. But it's

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Speaker 1: my friend and yours Brian Campbell, what's up? Brian?

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Luke, thank you. I am the BBC with

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Speaker 2: that BDE or something like that.

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Speaker 1: Luke.

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Speaker 2: Hey, do you hear what Joe Rogan said about Armenians? No?

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Speaker 1: What do he say?

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Speaker 2: Something awful?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Something just awful?

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Speaker 1: All right, Well his favorite movie Planet of the Armenians.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, go there you go there, It is Monday morning.

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Speaker 2: Back at it. Come on, right, come on, this is

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Speaker 2: what we do, right, Luke, fired up? I'm chilling like

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Speaker 2: Bob Dylan and I'm killing like penicillin. So let's do this, Luke.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we got a big show today. We had we're

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Speaker 1: reacting to Let's see the UFC, But then there was

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Speaker 1: over the weekend. Thurman Barrios was over the weekend. We're

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Speaker 1: Let's jam topic number one. We start with the UFC's

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Speaker 2: and look, he's almost a better boxer than he should be, Luke.

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Speaker 2: Hella impressed. I texted you right in the end of

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Speaker 2: that fourth rounds like, you know what he looks today?

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Speaker 2: He looks amazing tonight, because what this fight was about

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Speaker 1: Luke, Yeah, I mean he's a weird al We talked

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Speaker 1: Has he peaked? What has happened to him? He thirty

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Speaker 2: I think he's peaked, Luke, and you know where he peaked.

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Speaker 2: If that's true, it's pretty damn good because the step

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Speaker 2: Last, I know we're going to be accused of hating

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Speaker 1: Yes, provided there's only three divisions for them in the UFC.

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Speaker 1: All right, last on this, did you understand the judging

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. Brent Brookhouse of CBS Sports had had,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't understand it. I think you could have

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Speaker 1: How upset could you possibly be? Not that much? Okay,

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Speaker 2: a lot because it's three fights and he's dominated all

431
00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:52,800
Speaker 2: three and finish them. But there's some things looked that

432
00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,680
Speaker 2: the eye test just fills in the blanks on. And yes,

433
00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:57,920
Speaker 2: I need to see this guy go five ron stamina. Yes,

434
00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:59,200
Speaker 2: I need to see a fight in which he's on

435
00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,840
Speaker 2: his back for half of it. But from what we've

436
00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,960
Speaker 2: seen and this level of matchmaking, when you got that

437
00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:09,240
Speaker 2: early itch, that early feeling, it's looking validated up to

438
00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:13,520
Speaker 2: this point, Luke, because forget a poise. You know, he's

439
00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,520
Speaker 2: got this poise that's like part Championship poise, part just killer,

440
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:21,600
Speaker 2: but just a complete offensive game variety. And it's hard

441
00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,919
Speaker 2: and accurate as shit, Luke, I mean, it's just heavy

442
00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:30,119
Speaker 2: as shit. He's almost like you cound Central casting. You

443
00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,520
Speaker 2: could pull him out of some war from three hundred

444
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,879
Speaker 2: years ago. He looks like a well oiled machine of

445
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,800
Speaker 2: a soldier who's ready right now for a lot of

446
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,520
Speaker 2: smoke luke. And if they keep him at this level,

447
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,359
Speaker 2: he's going to keep doing this over and over again.

448
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, this level has nothing for him other than you know,

449
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,320
Speaker 1: bonuses that he could rack up by finishing them, which

450
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,399
Speaker 1: is all he has. Fifteen wins, fifteen stoppages. They can't

451
00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 1: take this. The judges are bored when Shofcott Rochmanov comes around,

452
00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,280
Speaker 1: or at least you know, they don't work the very

453
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:04,359
Speaker 1: long because they're not really required. This dude is insanely impressive.

454
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 1: People are asking us, how would you compare Rockmanov to

455
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,400
Speaker 1: somebody like Chamayev? And there are real, meaningful different differences

456
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 1: in Part BC. That question is very hard to answer

457
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 1: because however much we know about Rockmanov is not that much,

458
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,919
Speaker 1: at least at the elite level, and howver much we

459
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,440
Speaker 1: know about Chamayev at the elite level is not that much.

460
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,879
Speaker 1: All of their wins appear to be really nice, but

461
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 1: they don't tell us a whole lot about what the

462
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 1: next chapter may or may not look like with any

463
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 1: kind of real certainty. But what you can say about Rockmanov,

464
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,879
Speaker 1: and this is why we're high on him. You were

465
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 1: right about a clear thing there which I want to underscore, namely,

466
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 1: he's got a full skill set. That doesn't mean he's

467
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,959
Speaker 1: a perfect fighter, but it means at all the various

468
00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 1: ranges in the phases and dimensions of the game, does

469
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Speaker 1: he have command of that dimension. From what we can tell,

470
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,879
Speaker 1: it appears yes. We've not seen him against somebody, let

471
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,959
Speaker 1: BC like a dedicated, just aggressive all wrestler type. That

472
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,159
Speaker 1: will tell us a little bit more, but certainly to

473
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 1: the extent that people have tried to wrestle him, it

474
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 1: has looked quite poor. Carlston Harris is actually pretty good

475
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 1: in the clinch and schofcott Rockmanov com eiter shut that

476
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,440
Speaker 1: down completely or actually had the better success there. And

477
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 1: of course on the feet and everything else. He can fight.

478
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,679
Speaker 1: He can fight in boxing range, kickboxing range. His timing

479
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 1: is good. He makes just phenomenal decisions. And when you

480
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 1: the reason why a twenty seven year old guy can

481
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 1: make really good decisions is because he is so in

482
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,879
Speaker 1: command of what is happening. He can stay calm, he

483
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 1: understands what he's up against. He's a veteran in certain

484
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 1: ways in terms of the overall body of experience he

485
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: has in combat sports, training and competition, and you just

486
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 1: see what is happening here, dude. Twenty seven year olds

487
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,360
Speaker 1: don't look this good this early in their career where

488
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 1: they have this level. Not so much the wins per se,

489
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 1: because he hasn't got the elite wins, but in terms

490
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 1: of the skills and what he has shown in all

491
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 1: of these various challenges, you don't show me another rising

492
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 1: prospect that is as well rounded. We'll have to see

493
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Speaker 1: about your mind. We don't know. But if you take

494
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 1: him out of the equation, I don't know who else

495
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 1: it would be. Sean Brady has better. I think that

496
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: Michael kies will win is just a better win than

497
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,640
Speaker 1: anything Rockmanov has, and he's obviously gonna be a handful

498
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: on the mat as well, a complete hammer in his

499
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,159
Speaker 1: own right. But in terms of the overall skills, Rockmanov

500
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: has the best overall skills of rising prospects, maybe of

501
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 1: anyone in the UFC.

502
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,360
Speaker 2: So he feels different than your average prospect at this point.

503
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 2: So what I mean is that you know, every couple

504
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 2: of seasons we get a oh, crap. This guy is

505
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 2: dominating this level of matchmaking. Let's try to project what

506
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 2: he'll be like, Well, you know what if we threw

507
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 2: him in a title of fight two fights from now.

508
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 2: But when you see it as heavy flash, like Johnny Walker,

509
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 2: for example, the flash means Luke, he can reach a

510
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 2: high note when things are aligned perfectly for him that

511
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 2: somebody this young shouldn't. But it always suggests that, you know,

512
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 2: the full package might not be there. There's just all

513
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 2: the things that Rockmanov does looks completely finished, you know

514
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like each category looks not just a

515
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 2: flashbulb moment. It looks like it's completely powered up across

516
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 2: the board in every category. So I was really high

517
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 2: on Douhuchoi, remember him, Luke, you know, not so long ago,

518
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 2: you know, and I thought he had all the holes

519
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 2: filled you know where Johnny Walker, you just weren't sure.

520
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 2: I want you know, John, There was a point with

521
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 2: Johnny Walker where you're like, dude, just put him in

522
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 2: there with John Jones and see what happens, you know,

523
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 2: But you didn't really know what he had. I was

524
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 2: much more confident in a Doohuchoi, and he didn't even

525
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 2: work out because of the wars that he got into.

526
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 2: Uh once he really started to step up. But this

527
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 2: guy just feels different even than all of those names, Luke,

528
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 2: you know, it just feels different.

529
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 1: There.

530
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 2: There's a there's a there's a vibe with him that

531
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 2: I that I see in Islam, Mahachev and Majov's obviously

532
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 2: accomplished much more and fought much better competition for longer,

533
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 2: but it's that complete product feel where you're like, please,

534
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 2: somebody drag this guy of the deep water, because like

535
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 2: he's got he's got his speedo on Luke.

536
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Speaker 1: Yes, in a manner of speaking, yes.

537
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 2: I mean he's ready to swim. Luke. Okay, there there

538
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 2: was no back door meaning on that on that on

539
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 2: con trip. Please all right?

540
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: Do you do you like the idea that he floated.

541
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 1: By the way, for folks who may not understand this,

542
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: he signed a four five deal. My understanding is he's

543
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: just trying to get through this contract and then the

544
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: next contract he's gonna start, you know, working his way through.

545
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: I guess they wanted to just burn one before he

546
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 1: started trying to get you know, they didn't want to

547
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 1: pay him or whatever he's getting for fighting the Carlston

548
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 1: Harrises of the world. Uh, you know, if you're gonna

549
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: get paid that much, fight those kind of guys. So

550
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: with the last fight on the on the contract, he

551
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 1: was thinking about Michelle Pereira. Do you like that idea?

552
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you I don't. I don't like that idea.

553
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 2: No, Luke, I love that idea. Actually it's yes, yes,

554
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 2: I do.

555
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:42,479
Speaker 1: I do.

556
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 2: Look, yes, I love everything about that idea. Please please, dude.

557
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: He's gonna, I mean, that guy is gonna get Torque

558
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: tortured like Chocotta Romanov is gonna run through him like nothing.

559
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 2: It's no, no, no, no, it's not Louke. Whoa whoa whoa, Luke,

560
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 2: whoa whoa whoa? Slow up? Would he over the time

561
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: beat and maybe stop him, meaning, you know, could rock

562
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 2: monof to it? Yeah, I could talk myself into that,

563
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: but full domination. I don't know, Luke. This guy, you know, Padata,

564
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 2: when dialed in, is obviously a freak athlete who can

565
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 2: take you down and can throw enough flash that you

566
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 2: you can't be guns blazing offensively. You've gotta you know,

567
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 2: really kind of take notice of. So I don't know,

568
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 2: there'd be some negotiations in that cage before the eventual

569
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 2: stop itch probably happened, but it's not. It's not hot

570
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,199
Speaker 2: knife through butter Luke, and that's the intrigue of the matchup.

571
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: I don't think he'd be very close. I think I

572
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: think Rockmanov would would I don't. I don't see how

573
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 1: that one could go past two. I think rock Mono

574
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: would have his way with him, which is in part

575
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: probably why he called him out. There's that as well.

576
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 1: So we'll have to see what happens next. But it's

577
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: not this contract that I'm expecting the things to get interesting.

578
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: It's the next one. We'll have to see what happens

579
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: when he does.

580
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 2: So you're saying you don't want that fight because you

581
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 2: think it's it's mismatched. That's what ultimately what you're saying.

582
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: Well, on some level, anyone outside the top fifteen is

583
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: a bit of a mismatch for him. But yeah, I

584
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: just like, if you're going to book a fight where

585
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: you feel like one guy has a really distinct and

586
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: clear advantage, there would have to be a reason where

587
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: you have to book it. Partly, they could be, you know,

588
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 1: close together in the rankings. Partly it could be who's

589
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: available right? All those things? To me, this is one

590
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: where like his argument was, oh he beat a teamate

591
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: of mine, I want to get that one back. Fine,

592
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: but absent that decision, B See, I don't understand what

593
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: you could make about the matchup that would make the

594
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: fight competitive or interesting to me.

595
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know. It seems like the perfect fight,

596
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 2: the perfect step up. It seems really really really does.

597
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: But the guy, the guy has a name and a

598
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: bit of attention, and he's actually doing really well. It

599
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 1: makes sense, and I understand why Rockmanov called him out.

600
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 1: I merely mean, as a guy who has a high

601
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: opinion of Rockmanov, it doesn't do much for me in

602
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 1: terms of moving the needle because I sort of assumed that, like,

603
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what Perira could do short of some

604
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:05,959
Speaker 1: kind of accident.

605
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 2: Okay, well here's what he could do, Luke. He could

606
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 2: make it a a wild fricking fight at a high

607
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 2: pace that potentially exposes Chavcat's gas tank, mixed with how

608
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 2: does he respond to being legitimately hurt? Now, you and

609
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 2: I both agree he passes that test, But you can't

610
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 2: act like that's not possible. I mean look, you know

611
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: Edmund Schavazi and looked great until he didn't. I was

612
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 2: riding the Tom Dukinwa train as the next big thing. Okay, Luke,

613
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 2: it has good he was.

614
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: He should have got to the UFC earlier than he did.

615
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 2: You know, Dana thought Cynthia Calvillo was like the next

616
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 2: big thing. You know she He hadn't seen the four

617
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 2: strong in one in a while since he saw her.

618
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: And look what happened Tatiana Suarez. And it's not even

619
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 2: her fault. Luke. We fall for the next big thing,

620
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 2: but you got to put the next big thing in

621
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 2: the big thing before you find out if they got next. Dude,

622
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 2: I am just on fire today. Wow.

623
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I hope your arm doesn't break patting

624
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: yourself on the back. But yes, you're right. In short,

625
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: you're right. I cannot declare to you that I know

626
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: that he can beat them. That's why they fight. That's

627
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: what we have to know. I'm just telling you. If

628
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: you're asking me, like why my enthusiasm for it is like, man,

629
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: it's because personally speaking, and I can't prove this until

630
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: we see what happens. I just feel it's very much

631
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: a foregone conclusion, but you're right, I don't know that,

632
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: and we'll have to see so for that reason, they

633
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: might actually end up making it all right, BC. So

634
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: you watched and you did a live reaction for us afterwards.

635
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit of boxing if we can. Here.

636
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: Keith Thurman fought one time and in three years, which

637
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: is not why he has the nickname, but it was fitting.

638
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: But he got back to the ring on Saturday, and

639
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: I have to tell you, BC, he cut his hair

640
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: and whatnot, which was good. I know folks didn't want

641
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: to cut his hair, but the hair situation. Listen, for

642
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: those of us who are losing our hair, we understand

643
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:46,959
Speaker 1: that you got to just call it a day. At

644
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: certain points, he looked good physically, and he looked dominant early.

645
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: Didn't quite have these step on the gasness of it

646
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,479
Speaker 1: later in the fight, but he won that one. Walking

647
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:04,959
Speaker 1: away much was this winning performance by Thermon restorative of

648
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: some of the hype that had been lost.

649
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 2: Pretty big, pretty damn big, because you had a few

650
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,959
Speaker 2: questions that really needed answering, and one of those was

651
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 2: the whole thing surrounding his hunger. Well, you know, fought

652
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 2: two times in five years due to injuries and other things,

653
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 2: but you know, does he want it anymore? That mixed

654
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: with has he been gone for too long? Ring rust?

655
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 2: Is he not the same fighter anymore? He answered all

656
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 2: those questions because not only did we get to see

657
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 2: a dynamic offensive performance, and if he was gonna be dynamic,

658
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 2: there was potential it could be a you know, a

659
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 2: one sided fight in the end, but he also you know,

660
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 2: got hit to the body and got hurt and answered

661
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: a question again. So it's weird, Luke, did he answer

662
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 2: all the questions?

663
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: No?

664
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 2: And what I mean by that is he answered the

665
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 2: question that he restored the luster pretty damn far. You know,

666
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: he looked close enough to the prime Therminavolve, not exactly,

667
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 2: but close enough. But there's the other question is did

668
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 2: he look like he could not just compete with but

669
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: you know, have a shot in your mind of beating

670
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 2: the very best, which are Errol Spence and Terrence Crawford.

671
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: The answer is still know right now. But you gotta

672
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: give Thurman grace and you got to give him a

673
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 2: shot to prove you wrong here because the layoff was

674
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 2: extreme and he showed his commitment. He came in at

675
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 2: one hundred and forty five and a quarter pounds, which

676
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: you wouldn't have guessed for an aging fighter off this long,

677
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: and I thought, Luke he self assessed himself perfectly after

678
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 2: the fight and saying what I was lacking was really

679
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 2: stamina based. I didn't have that second level explosion, and

680
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 2: he said, you know, he knows how to restore that

681
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: in the gym ahead of time. So you know, we're

682
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 2: never really gonna know, Luke Kenny upset a Spencer Crawford

683
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: until we see it, and the odds are going to

684
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: be against him because Spencer Crawford are generational talents, okay,

685
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 2: but Keith Thurman as a celebrity, elite welterway paper boxer,

686
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: He's back, baby, And I think that was the most

687
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 2: important question he had answer in this fight.

688
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not as down on Thurman as some of

689
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: the other folks. I grant that the criticisms of it

690
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: are fair. Right, it was a better first half than

691
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: a second half. Fine, no doubt, I mean simply no

692
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: denying it. And I have to say I texted you this, dude.

693
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: It is It is impressive as shit that this fight

694
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: was at one forty seven Thurman, Now he did rock Barrios.

695
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: I mean multiple times. I thought by the fourth round

696
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: he was going to get him out of there because

697
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: he was just beating him pillar to post and and

698
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: Barrios's face afterward was a complete swollen mess. So you know,

699
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: Thurman did quality work, to be clear, But for Tank

700
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: Davis to go up to one forty and put that

701
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: dude away, it tells you a lot man that guy

702
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: can fucking punch. Okay, but about Keith Thurman.

703
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 2: Luke, let me let me can I throw in a

704
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: thing that helps that?

705
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: They talked about it on the Project at seven.

706
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, normally there's eight on s globs at one hundred

707
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: and forty seven. Then they have these type of fights.

708
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 2: Barrios's team pushed for the ten ten ounce, which is

709
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: in the rules this is the last weight class you

710
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 2: can do that, and they ended up having the the

711
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 2: lighter gloves on, so that didn't help. And also, look,

712
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: I get that.

713
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: If they had the ten, oh they wanted the ten,

714
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: they got the eight. Excuse me, that's right, yes.

715
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 2: No, they got the ten Thurman one of the eight.

716
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 2: Most times they used the eight, Barrios's team somehow got

717
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: it to ten. But let's also not forget Tank, Davis

718
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 2: was coming up in weight against a bigger Barrios, so

719
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 2: he had to fight and make it a fight, meaning

720
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 2: and look, Barrios had moments, and I think Barrios put

721
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: himself in position to get hit with the kind of

722
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: shots that lead to knockouts against Tank, because Barrios was

723
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 2: the bigger guy getting into a brawl with a smaller guy.

724
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 2: I think once he consistently tasted the power of Keith,

725
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: there was only so much he could put step on

726
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: the gas and go for it. Luke, like Barrios showed,

727
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: showed toughness in balls, but he also never put himself

728
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 2: in a spot to be stopped. He kind of would

729
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: come up just short and play it somewhat safe on

730
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 2: the outside and and you know, and that's a harsh criticism,

731
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: but I think it plays into why Thurman didn't get

732
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 2: the stoppage, mixed with maybe his own sort of I'm

733
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 2: more focused on going the distance and not guessing out

734
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 2: than i am on stopping this guy.

735
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: That that's a totally fair point. Glove difference, weight class difference,

736
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: and then how certain success affects certain kinds of strategies,

737
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: which makes the fight look a certain way, these are

738
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: all incredibly fair points. And the ultimate way in which

739
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 1: Tank Davis was able to put Barrios away it was

740
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: with a body shot, right, So I don't know that

741
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: Thurman was as invested to the body in a way

742
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 1: that that guy like Davis was. Nevertheless, as a side note,

743
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: it is remarkable that a guy at one point thirty

744
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: can do that to a guy at one forty one

745
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: when he goes to one forty seven and there's not

746
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: exactly the same kind of symmetry. Just pointing that out.

747
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: He's obviously a heavy puncher. But in the case of Thurman, dude,

748
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: this is the question I was trying. I mean, we

749
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: were talking about, like, what were we expecting on on

750
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: Friday from Thurman? How much can you give us when

751
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: he spot two times in five years? Do for two

752
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: times in five years when really the kind of main

753
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: thing you saw was he didn't quite have the same

754
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: zip and pop in the second half of a twelve

755
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: round fight. That's a correctible thing, as he indicated. I

756
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: do believe that now whether he will do it, we'll

757
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: have to see, but at least in theory is quite

758
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: correctible and be short of that. I thought he looked

759
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: in phenomenal physical condition over all, in terms of like

760
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: body composition and how what kind of training he'd been doing,

761
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 1: and what kind of focus he had. This was the

762
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: kind of performance in a similar kind of way to

763
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: Sean Strucklin did not tell me that he ooh gus,

764
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: I guess we'll see, but didn't not tell me he

765
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: could beat Crawford or or or Spence. However, however, it

766
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: did tell me that I don't think he's very far

767
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: from putting himself in a space where he could give

768
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: those guys already tough fights and then with another camper

769
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: two very tough fights like those. Actually, I think would

770
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: be kind of competitive, kind of interesting. It wasn't ultimately

771
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: restorative of the guy who beat Danny Garcia or previously

772
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: on CBS or whatever. Did I see that guy? No?

773
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: I did not see that guy. But did I see

774
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: a version? Did I see a version of that guy?

775
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: B see very far away from that one? Not necessarily? No,

776
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 1: I don't think that's true.

777
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 2: Well, the key question is can he use this to

778
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 2: get himself even closer to that twenty seventeen version against

779
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 2: Danny Garcia right after the Sean Porter win. It's still possible.

780
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: But the crux of the criticis see me.

781
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: I do want ask you a question because I do

782
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: think it's important to get your perspective here in terms

783
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: of what was okay, In terms of what's possible. He

784
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: could have come back and looked amazing like Superman, But

785
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: I'm talking about in terms of two fights in five

786
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: years and injuries the like, how much was realistically possible.

787
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: You know that ring rust doesn't affect every fighter every time,

788
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: but most fighters most of the time. I think you

789
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: saw a little bit of that in terms of execution

790
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: over the course of twelve rounds. But my point is

791
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: this be seen. We'd love to get your reaction in

792
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: terms of what was possible for an elite fighter under

793
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: those conditions. The version of Keith Thurman you got was

794
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: one of the better versions you could have gotten.

795
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 2: Absolutely, he just didn't do it down the avenue that

796
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 2: really he plugs the whole of the voice of the

797
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 2: of the even the harshest critics, And I agree with you.

798
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 2: I think this is much more, much, much more a

799
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 2: plus and a positive than a negative. And what I

800
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 2: was gonna say was, you know, the real crux of

801
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 2: his true critics Luke, And I'll be fair, he those

802
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 2: true critics have been there since that second half of

803
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 2: that Dandy Garcia decision win, in which he played it

804
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: a little bit safe. And you know, you have to

805
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: look fairly at Thurman's performance against Barrios and say was

806
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: he risk averse? And it's hard to even say that

807
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 2: because it sounds stupid. It's like risk averse. He's lending

808
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 2: the bigger punchers throughout. But Luke, if you're gonna be

809
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 2: a one of his harshest critics, you will say, yeah,

810
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 2: he still looked a little risk averse though over the

811
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 2: second half. And the fear is that risk aversion will

812
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: not just be there because of the long layoff, but

813
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: will follow him when things get tough against Spence and Crawford.

814
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: So the harshest of harsh critics knows he can get

815
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: into those fights, Luke, but they have severe doubts that

816
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: he can win those. Where do you stand on that,

817
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 2: Can the very best version of him improve on this

818
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 2: for thirty three years old and actually beat a Spencer

819
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 2: Crawford in your eyes?

820
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: Well, here a couple things I would say. Number One,

821
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: Spence has to get through UGA's first right, So we'll

822
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 1: have to see what he looks like after eye surgery.

823
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I would imagine he'll be fine, But again

824
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: these things being automatic, Let's see number two. Crawford is

825
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: to me just significant. I listen, what could Keith Thurman

826
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: have showed you against Mario Barrios that made you, that

827
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: would make someone go he can beat Jawn Porter? Or

828
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: was give me a bud Crawford, who I don't know

829
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: if that was even on the table, to be honest

830
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: with you, So no, I don't see that. But what

831
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: I would say is Crawford is not getting any younger.

832
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: He's on the wrong side, so to speak. Of thirty five.

833
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: He looked amazing against Sean Porter, but Sean Porter showed

834
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: ways to make that competitive. And so my only point

835
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: being is, okay, I'm not going to sit here and

836
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: argue with you that even on his best night he

837
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 1: had anything for Crawford. But Crawford's getting older. Spence having

838
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: surgeries himself, by the way, getting older as well. This

839
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: was his first fight back. If he ends up having

840
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: another one where he looks better than this, where he

841
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: doesn't have that second half let down, this entire narrative

842
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: can change the thing. I would say, BC is do

843
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: you think there's anything to the idea, not that Pachia

844
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: and Barrios are even the same kind of competitor, same

845
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 1: kind of challenge, same kind of thing. But in the

846
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: fight with Pacchiao, Thurman had to kind of rally on

847
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 1: the back half.

848
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:30,959
Speaker 2: A little bit, look great and had a chin.

849
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: Here's so my question is this, do you think being

850
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: off that long, he was a little bit worried about, like,

851
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: I cannot start this one not strong, came out a

852
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,479
Speaker 1: little bit too strong, and then had to calibrate it back.

853
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think I think that's it. I think

854
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 2: he was just solely focused on not gassing out. And

855
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: again his response to that body punch situation in the

856
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: eighth round spitting out the mouth unorthodox, spitting out the

857
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: mouthpiece and catching it and getting that deep breath. It

858
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: helped him recover because you know, that was the hose

859
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 2: Asito spot, right that was the spot where all crap

860
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 2: is all falling apart. Right now, after a long layoff,

861
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 2: he passed that test. You just want to imagine, can

862
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 2: he remove the risk of version. It wasn't there, It

863
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 2: wasn't there against Pacquio, but it kind of was just

864
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 2: from the standpoint of his biggest critique on his own

865
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: performance against Pacio was that he didn't throw enough. In fact, Luke,

866
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 2: he told me on that interview that he feels if

867
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 2: he if he landed fifteen more punches, it would have

868
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 2: been enough to sway that closed split decision. But he's

869
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: he can't out. He can't come in looking to out

870
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 2: point Spencer Crawford. That's the point, because the fear, Luke,

871
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 2: remember when Sergei Kovilet fought Canelo, and Sergey's the bigger puncher,

872
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 2: but he chose self preservation by boxing, and even though

873
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 2: at the time of the stoppage you could argue he

874
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 2: was slightly ahead. I had him slightly ahead. Cove V

875
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 2: bucks really good behind his jab, but once Canelo went

876
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 2: for it, it was over. Nobody wants to see Thurman

877
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 2: acting like Kovilev against Spencer Crawford, right. You want to

878
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 2: see him going in there, oh okay, looking to win

879
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 2: more rounds, but also looking to knock this guy out.

880
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 2: And to be able to do that against a Spencer Crawford,

881
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: you have to be willing to welcome a lot of danger.

882
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 2: And I don't know, Luke, I don't.

883
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: Know, I think I think you're right that like, what

884
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: would be required to get past those kinds of challenges

885
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: are not things that you saw before the long layoffs,

886
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 1: and even with this one, not something that you saw

887
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: that would give you an inspiration about his chances there.

888
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: I think that's a very fair criticism in part. Though,

889
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: what's interesting is, you know, again, I wasn't covering boxing

890
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: in a dedicated way when Thurman was doing some of

891
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: his better work on CBS and whatever, the early PBC

892
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: kind of explosion there, And as a consequence, I don't

893
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: know that I have some of the same kind of

894
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: I won't say hang ups, but I have a Again,

895
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: it's not even fresher eyes, because in a way it's

896
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: more ignorantized. I just mean to say, I wasn't judging

897
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: him based off some of the glory that he had

898
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: shown previously. I was merely judging him based off some

899
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: of that, And then like, just but is reasonably attainable

900
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: for even an elite athlete in the space for me

901
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: under those conditions, he passed. But I certainly grant p

902
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: see you're looking for something that made you think that, like,

903
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: this guy can go up there and really give Crawford

904
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: put him on his heels, or Spence is gonna get

905
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: out worked and blah blah blah, or the powers there

906
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: that he'll just bite down on the mouthpiece. No, he

907
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: took the mouthpiece out and kept moving when he got

908
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: hit to the solar plexus. I understand that.

909
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 2: I understand the reason why all of these fears need

910
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 2: to be compartmentalized and not getting the way of your

911
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 2: excitement for when he does fight those guys, and by

912
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: the way, he very well could be fighting, you know,

913
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: Terrence Crawford next. It would seem like the right next

914
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 2: career move to Crawford to sit down with Al Hayman

915
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 2: and figure out a price and do this. He had

916
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 2: a gap between the hose Asito and the many Pacio fights.

917
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 2: That was what four months and the questions we had

918
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 2: about him coming out of Jose Asito. I think, boy

919
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 2: did he answer with his performance even at a loss

920
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 2: against Pacio. So let's give him the chance to do

921
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 2: that against Crawford if it happens, even though that's a

922
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 2: steeper hill to climb. At this point, Manny was forty.

923
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 2: He had a great year, great performance, but steeper hill

924
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 2: against Gruff.

925
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: Fair enough I think it's a good point. All right,

926
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: let's go back and sort of say from a combat

927
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: sports weekend here for point number four, there were a

928
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: lot of different things happening, a lot of different parts,

929
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: a lot of things going here or there. So BC

930
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: question for you, very simple inboxing or MMA, for good

931
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: or for bad? Who stood out to you on Saturday

932
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: night that we have not yet talked about.

933
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 2: I know our MMA fans don't want to hear all

934
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 2: this boxing coverage, Luke, but you and I had legitimate

935
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: questions about Luis Nary from Mexico, the former one hundred

936
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 2: and twenty two and one hundred eighteen pound champion who

937
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 2: had come off that body shot title knockout loss to

938
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 2: Brandon Figueroa, and it had been a bad stretch, right,

939
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 2: like you know, even he looked bad in wins, in

940
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 2: changed trainers and just didn't didn't look like that guy anymore.

941
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, he gashed out against Figaroa.

942
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 2: More or less, he came out against Carlos Castro. There

943
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 2: was an important fight on the undercard of the of

944
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 2: the Thermon pay per view over the weekend, and Luke,

945
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 2: he boxed beautifully, scored a big time nine knockdown in

946
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: the first round, but didn't gas himself out going for

947
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 2: the finish afterwards, and even though his gas tanks slowed

948
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 2: a little bit in the second half, I thought he

949
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 2: thoroughly out boxed Carlos Castro in ways that I didn't expect.

950
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: He was a counterpuncher for most of it, but his

951
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 2: defense was sound, he wasn't getting hit, and when he

952
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 2: committed to power shots, they moved. It ended up being

953
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 2: a split decision. I really didn't understand the judging on

954
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 2: the other side at all, but the right guy won.

955
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 2: And I think you insert him right back in that

956
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 2: mix with Stephen Foulton, with Figueroa, with Danny Roman, with

957
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 2: the unified champion Octamaliav. He's still that guy, Luke, and

958
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 2: it was great to see, no.

959
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: Doubt about it, and I saw right away. I didn't

960
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: see the fight itself. I did see the main event

961
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: that night, but I didn't see this one until it

962
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: made its way to social media for the first round.

963
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: On as you indicated, setting the tone, he looks pretty

964
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: good this time. I think the last two performances seemed

965
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: like we're a bit of a wake up call for

966
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: him or on some let it looked to me like

967
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: he didn't change who he was, but it did look

968
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: to me like he had tightened some things up a

969
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: little bit abround what he was doing in the way

970
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: he was applying his trade. So a nice win by him.

971
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: I don't bring this up in any kind of joy.

972
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: I bring it up because it actually did. It set

973
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: a record, at least tied a record. On Saturday Night,

974
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: sam Alvi gets another loss that I think brings him

975
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: to seven and one in his last eight not a

976
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: great run. That would tie bj Penn for the longest

977
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: winless streak in UFC history. I would imagine that this

978
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: would probably mean his organizational exit, although one can never

979
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: be too sure. But the thing that really stood out

980
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: to me was he does have some obviously a fair

981
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 1: number of wins in the UFC. Let's see one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight,

982
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: nine tens. He got ten UFC wins. However, when you

983
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: look through them, Jean Valente not in the organization anymore.

984
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 1: Martine Prakneo, I don't think he's in the UFC anymore.

985
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: Rashad Evans retired, Mark Wart gone, Alex Nicholson gone, Kevin Casey,

986
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: Eric Spiceley gone, Dan Kelly says off for hair to

987
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: gone Dylan and is I believe is gone? So the

988
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: only person he I don't think he has a win

989
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: over a unars.

990
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: Retired them all. He retired all while smiling all right.

991
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: In a way, in a way, those are nice wins,

992
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: especially the time that he got him, including the shot

993
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 1: Evans wins. But I think that might mean the end

994
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: of his UFC run will have.

995
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 2: It probably should because at the super arleategue level you

996
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: can't employee fighters losing that many times in a row.

997
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: His situation was much different than bj Penn Luke, meaning

998
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: that Alvi was more competitive in a lot of these fights.

999
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 2: But also he's a good company guy, and he takes

1000
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 2: last minute opportunities and new opponents and whatever, and and

1001
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: you know, goes out there and earns it honest paycheck.

1002
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 2: And uh, sometimes you can clown a guy like this,

1003
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 2: but at the end of the day, you really have

1004
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 2: respect for a guy like this who came out and fight.

1005
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 2: But you know seven, uh with a no contest in

1006
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 2: eight fights that you know, that says it all.

1007
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: Luke.

1008
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: You know, you rarely get somebody with this many consecutive

1009
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: before they just they just shut it down anyway.

1010
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: I remember the days, I remember vividly when if you

1011
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: got three losses in a row, they would bounce you.

1012
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: And I'll never forget when Dan Hardy lost to Anthony Johnson.

1013
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: I think they were supposed to have fought on like

1014
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:17,720
Speaker 1: a versus card and that at the time represented Hardy's

1015
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: third loss in a row or something, maybe even four,

1016
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: something like that, And I remember Lorenzo Fortita tweeting that, like,

1017
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: you know, he's not going anywhere because he's so great,

1018
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: which is good, like you as a rule, like you know,

1019
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: three losses in a row is a hard thing. To

1020
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: the UFC levels, It's very easy to lose three in

1021
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: a row no matter where you are, top five, top

1022
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: fifteen or not. So I'm glad that there's more leeway.

1023
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: But you're right once you start getting to this, I mean,

1024
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: this is a lot. This is a lot that we

1025
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: haven't won. So I tend to think this might be

1026
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: a frehi at the UFC level. However, he probably will

1027
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: get signed by one of your bigger ones one pfl BKFC,

1028
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: BELLAT or something like that.

1029
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 2: So Luke, you have extra credit plan today for the

1030
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: other stories. Of note.

1031
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, oh, because I would have done a

1032
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: big one on on Choff cut rock Monov, but I

1033
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: feel like this point's kind of overkilled, and the rest

1034
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: of that card was kind of you know, I don't know,

1035
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: So we'll see, all right.

1036
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 2: Did you like Nick Maximov's Diz Brother impression in the

1037
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: interview afterwards? He had all the mannerisms down Luke.

1038
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: Fighting style totally different though, Isn't that wild? So it's

1039
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: so weird to me, Like Luke guy, Yeah, he's Jazz's

1040
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: By the way, that kid's only twenty four years old.

1041
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: I mean that's pretty you know. Did he have the

1042
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: most dynamic win? No, he didn't, but for twenty four

1043
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: and that's your eighth fight, that's pretty good job he did.

1044
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: The thing I would say, though, is you know what's

1045
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: some really weird to me is they don't just like

1046
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: borrow the Diz Brother's personality. They borrow it to like

1047
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: a t Like I was pointing this out. I used

1048
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: to listen to the Deaf Toe or two deft Tones

1049
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: a lot. I like Deftones a lot. I saw them

1050
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: in concert a couple of times, but you know, their

1051
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 1: work changes around a certain album called the White Pony,

1052
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: like all of their walkout music that they were used

1053
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: in the Deaf Tones is all post that they don't

1054
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: get any anything from like early Deftones. It's just like

1055
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: very specifically Daz in the way that the Diazs are

1056
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: who they are. It's just incredible that they've absorbed that

1057
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: personality so directly.

1058
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, yeah, I'm something. He's soaked in it.

1059
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 2: He's dripping Diaz swag and uh yeah he does it.

1060
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: Well.

1061
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 2: Luke, did you say white Pony? Is that a booger

1062
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 2: sugar reference? Luke?

1063
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: I don't think so. All right, yeah, slangs in last,

1064
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: but not at least b See, this is a fun

1065
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 1: one for me. Let's look ahead to UFC two seventy

1066
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 1: one main event this weekend, the rematch, one that has

1067
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: been long anticipated. I think we all kind of thought, okay,

1068
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: out to sign you beat Robert Whittaker thoroughly the first time,

1069
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: but that wasn't going to be their only meeting. Sure enough,

1070
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: Rober Whitiker goes on a win streak that cannot be

1071
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: in any way doubted whatsoever, gets the rematch BC. What

1072
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: is the main storyline in this fight ahead of fight

1073
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: week that you are paying attention to.

1074
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 2: I think it kind of has to be the Is

1075
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 2: Robert Whittaker actually a better fighter than he was back

1076
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 2: when he was running a little bit too, you know,

1077
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,280
Speaker 2: hot and heavy and we know the situation and mentally

1078
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 2: and physically fatigued, and and then you know he not

1079
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 2: only did he get stopped by Atasania in that first fight,

1080
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 2: but I like his honesty and humility to say, look,

1081
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 2: I got so caught up and just wanting to beat

1082
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 2: that guy. Right, So I think that the storyline surrounding

1083
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 2: are we gonna now get to see what this potentially

1084
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 2: classic fight has to offer between two I think, when

1085
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 2: you know, when all is said and done, all time

1086
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 2: great fighters, is this going to be the type of

1087
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 2: competitive theater that it could have been back then if

1088
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 2: the situations were different And in the long run, has

1089
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 2: this fall but rise from Whittaker made him better for

1090
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 2: it coming into this now and it's I mean that

1091
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 2: storyline which extends easily and connects to the idea of

1092
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 2: Luke buckle up. This is Mark mixed martial arts at

1093
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 2: his finest. Like I can't freaking wait for this fight.

1094
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 2: Storyline wise x'es and o's wise, what it means to

1095
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 2: their legacies. Like I love this fight, Luke. Okay, I

1096
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 2: have a yeah, I'm rock hard with emotion Jay Hager

1097
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 2: about this fight, Luke.

1098
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: The comparison is not accurate what I'm about to say

1099
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: on certain levels for very obvious reasons. But I would

1100
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: not want to lose sight bc of some of the

1101
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: potential historical parallels. What do I mean by that? Not

1102
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: so much Anderson Silva versus chill Son and that doesn't fit,

1103
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: But Anderson Silva versus Rich Franklin has some unique and

1104
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: interesting parallels. A guy in Rich Franklin before Anderson Silva

1105
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: came along, I remember him as champion. I remember him

1106
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: beating certainly David L. Wazza was a big one, but

1107
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: you know, uh Edwin do we? I remember him just

1108
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 1: beating the ship at Edwin Deuez Evan Tanner as well.

1109
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: You're just tuning these guys up. He was the man

1110
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: before Anderson Silva ever got there. And the Anderson Silva

1111
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: gets there, and Rich Franklin got kind of cast out

1112
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: and then had a rematch situation later and it didn't

1113
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: go his way either. Now I don't know if that

1114
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: will happen be see in fact, you know, to be clear,

1115
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: Robert Whitaker is better than Rich Franklin ever was. And

1116
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: Adasanya does not have the record of achievement at middleweight

1117
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: that Anderson Silva does, but it looks like it could

1118
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: have some of these same historical patterns kind of at

1119
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:38,240
Speaker 1: least echoing a little bit over the course of time

1120
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: even through this middleweight division. Is interesting that you might

1121
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: be getting somebody.

1122
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 2: I don't hate that parallel. But the main difference, Luke,

1123
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 2: is that I don't see how you could have expect

1124
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 2: not I have to go back and revisit everybody's mindset

1125
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 2: and what people predicted. But with how freaking dominant Anderson

1126
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 2: Silva disposed of Franklin in the most brutal way in

1127
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 2: the first fight, I don't remember having any level of

1128
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 2: confidence that that Franklin was going to turn that back

1129
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 2: and avenge it, you know, I didn't expect and arguably

1130
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 2: just as lethal and violent finish which was just brutal

1131
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 2: as shit a second time around. But I think the

1132
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 2: main difference is we expect this second fight to be

1133
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 2: to be far better than.

1134
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 1: The first, true, no doubt about it. I didn't. I didn't.

1135
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: I remember the rematch I didn't have a ton of

1136
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: feeling that Rich Franklin was going to be able to

1137
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: do things a lot differently. However, I would tell you

1138
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: it took a few fights, even including through his championship

1139
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: run by Innerson soiva, before people bought in. It took

1140
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: a long time. Actually, people were not automatically of the belief.

1141
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: Even after he was beating Dan Henderson and everybody else,

1142
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: there were still a few fights in where folks were

1143
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,479
Speaker 1: kind of like, yeah, but could he beat this guy?

1144
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: Could he beat that guy?

1145
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 2: Because it was beat that little shit stretch of like

1146
00:53:58,160 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 2: Talis Latis and Damian Maya.

1147
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: You know, no, no, Even when he first came to

1148
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: the UFC, remember Chris Leban was like, I'm gonna beat

1149
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: him and send him back to Japan, and of course

1150
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: Chris Leaping got you know, totally annihilated. What I mean

1151
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: to say is that little strain of thought existed early

1152
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: into his UFC run, even amidst all the success that

1153
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: he had, So we're not in that kind of territory.

1154
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,280
Speaker 1: I just mean to say there are some interesting historical

1155
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: parallels I would add on top of that, THOUGHBC. I

1156
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: think that one thing that has been part of the

1157
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: storyline that is quite true and reasonable. Is it looked

1158
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: to me like if Robert Whittaker just wanted to try

1159
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: to MMA strike with outa Sign and that's not a

1160
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: very winnable fight for him. I think out of Sign

1161
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: is probably too good on that level. So what he

1162
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: has said, and I think is you know how he

1163
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 1: implements it will actually be what really decides this fight

1164
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: or not. Is He's just gonna be much more of

1165
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 1: an MMA fighter. I'm gonna be level changing. I'm gonna

1166
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: make them work in the clinch, I'm gonna make them wrestle,

1167
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,479
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna make them strike as well. I'm gonna

1168
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: do this that I'm gonna introduce all of the different

1169
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: elements of MMA as a larger complete fight to see

1170
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 1: what I can get done. If he ends up losing,

1171
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 1: that what it will end up meaning is that also

1172
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,479
Speaker 1: Adasania was able to level up in the same kind

1173
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: of way, maybe not the exact same uh portions of

1174
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 1: the game, but that he will have experienced if he

1175
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 1: gets the w he will have experienced the same kinds

1176
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: of growth and determination that a guy like Whittaker has

1177
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: put himself through. The thing we haven't really talked about,

1178
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: is what happens to the division if Whittaker wins, do

1179
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: they give Atasanya a third fight right away? They might?

1180
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 3: Actually, right, they should, they might and they should And

1181
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 3: you know, you know, I've been fantasy matchmaking, you know,

1182
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 3: for about a year and a half the idea of

1183
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 3: Whittaker winning this and then we get the trilogy, and

1184
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 3: this is you know, the rivalry of this division, you know,

1185
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 3: historically and up there with you know, Silvasanan, and I

1186
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 3: mean that this has that potential to be big, and

1187
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 3: certainly the storylines of has at A Sonya improved anywhere

1188
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 3: on the level Whittaker has in the in the in

1189
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 3: the you know, in the interim, since they fought each

1190
00:55:58,480 --> 00:55:59,720
Speaker 3: other as a legitimate one.

1191
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 2: But Luke, I do want to say one thing, Well, clearly,

1192
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 2: you're right, a completely well rounded performance from Robert Whitaker,

1193
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 2: who I think is arguably the most well rounded fighter

1194
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 2: in this game at the elite level, would be preferred,

1195
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 2: you know, to have your best chance of beating out

1196
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 2: of Sonya, and that was the reason why Whittaker was

1197
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 2: the betting favorite ahead of the first one. And I

1198
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 2: think even being an out of Sonya fan, you had

1199
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 2: to kind of go okay, there is a there is

1200
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 2: a path hit here where Robert Whitaker just comes out

1201
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 2: and shines everywhere. This may not be out of Sonya's night.

1202
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 2: You sounded like you don't think it's possible for him

1203
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 2: to win a fight on the feet for five rounds

1204
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,959
Speaker 2: against out of Sonya by by boxing. Obviously, the threat

1205
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 2: of kicks in cav strikes, it's going to be a

1206
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 2: part of it, but just by his pure boxing ability,

1207
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:50,280
Speaker 2: I will say, Luke, I feel like, really, some people

1208
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 2: are over Some people are saying this three fight win

1209
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 2: streak is overrated by Whittaker, Like, who are these people?

1210
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 2: He showed like every single skill because he was forced

1211
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 2: to five tactical rounds with three elite guys in some

1212
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 2: of those performances. I know Gasolin has been way up

1213
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 2: and down since that al Asnia fight, but that was

1214
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 2: a great Gastolm that night. You know, like he put

1215
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 2: it back together. I think Whittaker, if he wants to, Luke,

1216
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 2: can go in there with the mindset of how do

1217
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 2: I win five rounds against this guy? And I trust

1218
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 2: that his skill set has a very good chance of

1219
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 2: pulling that off.

1220
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: I would argue that if you were advising Whittaker on

1221
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: best ways to win, you would not argue to him

1222
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: to just box without asnia. You would not like In

1223
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: other words, your point is he could box and win.

1224
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: That might be true. He might be able to box

1225
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: and win.

1226
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 2: I mean it comes down to his jab in that case, Luke,

1227
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 2: if he's if he's using that as a direct weapon.

1228
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is not

1229
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: what can he do to win? What are the things

1230
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: he could do that give him the very best chance

1231
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: of winning? And if I'm thinking about his very best

1232
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: chances of winning a strict boxing game would not be

1233
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: that it would actually encompass a larger array of things

1234
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: like threats of the takedown or all the various tricks

1235
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: that Whittaker and his team have cooked up. I think

1236
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: that is his best chance. And how good do I

1237
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: think that is? I think that is. I think if

1238
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: Atosign is not on his game in the way, the

1239
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: very best of his game, he's gonna lose that belt.

1240
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: That's how good I think Warbert Whitaker is.

1241
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 2: And obviously Whitaker is gonna need the threat of, like

1242
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 2: you said, the complete game. But I think sometimes the

1243
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 2: fights end up going that way of just being a

1244
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 2: stand up fight, and I think he's gonna trust his

1245
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 2: chest skills in that regard, and I think he should. Luke,

1246
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 2: It's gonna come down to that jab. But it's part

1247
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 2: of why you love this fight so damn much, and

1248
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 2: I think it's part of why the finish was so surprising. Yes,

1249
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 2: Adasigna had in their first fight, had had more success

1250
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 2: up to the stoppage point, of course, but you didn't

1251
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 2: see that coming at that moment, Luke, Am I wrong?

1252
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: Noh, well, he did drop him in the end of

1253
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: the first so there is that, right.

1254
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 2: Certainly, that's what you know, he had an advantage at

1255
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 2: that point in the fight. I'm just saying it felt

1256
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 2: abrupt it fell Oh shit, yeah, you know, like look

1257
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 2: what he just did to Robert Wick like it was

1258
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 2: it was uh yeah, it moved me.

1259
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: Well, the part about the fight that actually works in

1260
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: Robert Whittaker's favor is that was I mean, I don't

1261
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: auto Signia was better that night, period. He just was

1262
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: better that night. But I really don't believe that that

1263
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: was even close to the best Robert Whittaker, and it

1264
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: was a very limited Robert Whittaker, he didn't show a

1265
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: ton of his skills. I think Eugene Berman even said

1266
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: it recently, and it's quite right. If you're Robert Whittaker,

1267
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: it has to suck that you lost the first fight,

1268
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: But the good part has to be that there are

1269
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: so many things you can do in the second fight

1270
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: that you never even had a chance to do in

1271
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: the first fight that are going to keep you safer

1272
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: and give you a better chance to win. So, like,

1273
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 1: if you're the ATASIGNA camp, dude, you got a lot

1274
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,439
Speaker 1: of work you have to like have prepared for all

1275
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 1: the things that Robert Whittaker can throw at you. This

1276
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: one should be a lot different, a lot closer. I

1277
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: think it might be a nail bier to the very end.

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Speaker 1: I really believe that.

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Speaker 2: You know, Look, sometimes these UFC pay per view cards

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01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 2: are so stacked that there's like, you know, four or

1281
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 2: five competing storylines, you know, from the main events and

1282
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 2: the title and the co main event to you know,

1283
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 2: somebody's big return. This is the only storyline for this card,

1284
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 2: and probably rightfully so, and it gives them the focus,

1285
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 2: you know, and the attention that this rematch deserves. But

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01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,439
Speaker 2: like there's almost no other storylines coming out of this card.

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01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. That's true. Although in fairness, when you've

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01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: got a main event this good, you know, how much

1289
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: help does it need? Right? That kind of thing.

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01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 2: Well, and by the way that you know, some of

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01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 2: those fights that could be taking storylines in this case

1292
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,439
Speaker 2: are just complementing the main event. When you've got Jared

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01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 2: Cannonaer and Derek Brunson in such an appointment top five,

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01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:58,919
Speaker 2: you know, producing maybe the next title contender fight. Very

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01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 2: excited about about that one.

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Speaker 1: That Yeah, that one is super interesting because both of

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01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: those guys have kind of tasted the top of that division.

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01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: Both of them had their moments where you know, they

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01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:09,959
Speaker 1: got bounced a little bit once they tried, but they're

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01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 1: too good to be dismissed, and in the case of Brunson,

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01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: appears to have really you know what Brunson. Brunson has

1302
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 1: made the overall career reformation that Figuredo made in the

1303
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: Moreno or third fight, where he just kind of I

1304
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: didn't change everything I did, but I dialed the intensity

1305
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 1: back a little bit, which allows me to make clear,

1306
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 1: more focused, safer decisions, and it has elevator to the.

1307
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 2: Sports serious for the first time, and that sounds crazy

1308
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 2: when he was, like you know before that, already winning

1309
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 2: big fights in in big fights, But Luke, to be fairy.

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01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 2: Derek Brunson had a long run of kind of fighting

1311
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 2: like an asshole. Like I always say that and then

1312
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 2: people go, that's so rude, But like he fought like

1313
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 2: an asshole against Robert Whitaker in round one, Luke, and

1314
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 2: he got stopped and it was almost like rightfully, so

1315
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 2: he's I mean, yes, that's him dialing it back to

1316
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 2: your point, But I think he is focused on the

1317
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 2: game planning, mental side of the game for the first

1318
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 2: time at this level, and you're seeing the fruits of

1319
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 2: it and shout out to him doing it at this age.

1320
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, Luke, not only are these

1321
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 2: two you know, late thirties middleweights, but like we know

1322
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 2: what's at stake in terms of potential title contention. Do

1323
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 2: you think Jared Cannoneer's win over Kelvin Gastallom was any

1324
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 2: level of fool's gold based on Gastulum's up and down

1325
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 2: This because I came out of that fight thinking Cannoneer

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01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 2: has learned from the Robert Whittaker loss and maintained a

1327
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 2: very elite level of boxing and defense and really efficiency

1328
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 2: where I don't think he's out of the title conversation

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01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 2: at this point.

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Speaker 1: Dude, remember in that fight with Whitaker. I know you're

1331
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: asking about the gasoline fight. I share your sentiments exactly.

1332
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: And then on top of that, what I would add

1333
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: is remember the Witiker fight. Whitaker was kind of kicking

1334
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: his ass and nearly stopped him. But dude, this is

1335
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: one thing that has defined cannonear wasn't enough for to

1336
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 1: help him get the w that night. However, he kind

1337
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: of rallied at the very end of that fight and

1338
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: had Whittaker not once say in trouble per se, but

1339
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 1: Whittaker had this situation where he nearly had this guy

1340
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: finished and then Cannon near came back to life at

1341
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: the end of that fight. He is very, very tough,

1342
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 1: very perseveran, And the thing you're pointing out is he

1343
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 1: can take that kind of will power and those experiences

1344
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 1: that he's had against quite literally championship level fighters and

1345
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 1: then build on that with extra work with John Crouch

1346
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: in terms of the skill set that things needs to

1347
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 1: bring himself along to have better success when he gets

1348
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 1: another run, dude, Derek Brunson has the fight of his

1349
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 1: life on his hands, and I agree with you, so

1350
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: does Jared Cannoneer.

1351
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 2: When Cannoneer authored that that really incredible turnaround comeback story

1352
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 2: of cutting all the way down to middleweight and then

1353
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 2: knocking out those guys three in succession, it was like

1354
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 2: what Anderson Silva, David branch I forgot the third one?

1355
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 2: You you kind of looked at him as like a

1356
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 2: Jessica Andrage, like, like the power is going to be

1357
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 2: there at any point in the fight and he can

1358
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 2: knock out anybody. But do you see him as an

1359
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 2: elite five round you know, technical make adjustments guy. I

1360
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 2: think at that point we didn't. But now that he's

1361
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 2: had the chance to show it, he's completely I think

1362
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 2: evolved from that way of thinking him. This is a

1363
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 2: very very good, powerful and dangerous but smart fighter. So

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01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 2: I really like Cannoneer's chances against Brunson. Obviously he'll be

1365
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 2: tested on the ground, and you love the style contrast

1366
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 2: and all that, but uh, I expect a lot from

1367
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 2: this version of Kanon Hear. I think he's got a

1368
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 2: lot left. That's really the point of what I'm saying

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01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 1: I think that's very fair. I think that's very fair

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01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 1: and as you indicate it, kind of an older guy,

1372
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: but still quite with it. All right. With that in mind,

1373
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 1: it's time now for the viewers to ask us questions.

1374
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: We put up a post on Instagram every Sunday where

1375
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 1: we solicit them. It's time for dms from donks and

1376
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 1: of course you can always give us a follow up

1377
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 1: at Morning Combat on Insta. He ALRIGHTBC from buzz the

1378
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: blogger who has a higher ceiling? Schoffcott, Rochmanov or Hamzat Chimayev.

1379
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Speaker 2: I love that question, and this is the natural comparison.

1380
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 2: And you got a lot of people saying they should

1381
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 2: fight each other next, which is that's wild, Duke, that's

1382
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 2: that's that's wild, bro. And I think that the main

1383
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 2: difference between them, you asked that question earlier. The difference

1384
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 2: between them is that Chamaiav's shown more against better competition.

1385
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 2: You know, that's the really the main difference, although their

1386
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 2: game is different obviously, but who has the brighter ceiling?

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01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 2: I think you have to admit right now than in

1388
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 2: a one night scenario, meaning if you put both of

1389
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 2: them in title fights, tomorrow. I still like Chimayev's brand

1390
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 2: a little bit more in terms of what trusted and

1391
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 2: yet like I believe in his chances of winning a

1392
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 2: title tomorrow better, but long run of their career, Luke,

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01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 2: I think Rockmanoff's the the safer bet, the more long

1394
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 2: term value of the two brands going up.

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01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 1: The Yeah, like you said, it's really impossible to say

1396
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 1: with how little information we have. Chimayav does have better

1397
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 1: wins as a consequence of some of the opportunities he's

1398
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 1: had thus far. But I like, I'll say this, I

1399
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: like Rockmanov's game better. But you know, if the question

1400
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 1: is who has a higher ceiling and the answer is

1401
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: who's shown more to this point with the information that

1402
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 1: we have, it would be Shamaiah. But we have such

1403
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 1: little information that like I wouldn't you know, hardly would

1404
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 1: be surprising if he ends up being better. But I

1405
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 1: just mean, we can't really say for sure right now,

1406
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 1: but obviously both of dude, both of these guys are

1407
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:30,919
Speaker 1: going to be in title fights at a good point.

1408
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 2: Admit it. You would be giddy as a school girl

1409
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 2: if Shavkat rock Monov moved to uh move to the

1410
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 2: Oceanic region and join ckb Luke, you would have a

1411
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 2: city kicking Bonner. Luke, you would be so freaking happy Looke,

1412
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 2: you would walk around.

1413
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what that would do for his game exactly.

1414
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the best.

1415
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 2: Not about him, Luke, it's about you right now, Okay.

1416
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: All right? From I'm just gonna go with that from

1417
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 1: Joby the Hut with this person, wrote sam Alvi. With

1418
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 1: Sam Alvi on a zero zero to one streak, what

1419
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 1: are the worst and most surprising losing streaks that you

1420
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: can remember across both boxing and MMA?

1421
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 2: Uh, you know what name comes to mind, Luke Hennan Burrow,

1422
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 2: And it was you're I favor who said on my

1423
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 2: old CBS podcast that he believes Burraw fell off the

1424
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 2: cliff while what pof for pound number two and still

1425
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 2: in his late twenties because of the USADA era in

1426
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 2: the sport. You can argue that amongst yourselves, but that

1427
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 2: fall from grace and just knockout after knockout, after gas out,

1428
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 2: after a thorough decision, loss after knockout is what I mean. Look,

1429
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 2: how does that even happen? Like Johnny Hendrix had a

1430
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 2: somewhat similar, But Johnny Hendricks wasn't poff for pound number.

1431
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 2: You know, Dana making a you know, standing outside with

1432
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 2: with the with the sign right, you know, saying vote

1433
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 2: for Barraw or Parish. I mean he Do you compare

1434
01:07:59,040 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 2: that to anybody?

1435
01:07:59,760 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 4: Luke?

1436
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 2: That was that was like night and day.

1437
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 1: Do I compare that to anybody?

1438
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 2: Because you've seen it happen when it's self induced, like

1439
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 2: Chavez Junior or somebody you know, like you like that,

1440
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 2: you get that, you can understand that.

1441
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm trying to think, have there ever been boxing

1442
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: losing streaks like that? How many losses in boxing can

1443
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 1: you have for people just say fuck it, we don't

1444
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:28,879
Speaker 1: want to want to watch anymore.

1445
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 2: That's a good point that, I mean, it didn't have

1446
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 2: that many losses. But Roy Jones had a couple of

1447
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 2: those runs in the second half of his career, like

1448
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 2: after you know, the the knockout of Tarvor and Johnson

1449
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 2: in succession. But then when he started going up to

1450
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 2: like cruiserweight and just getting sent to Hell and Russia.

1451
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 2: But that was never seven in a row. It doesn't

1452
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 2: typically get there, Luke.

1453
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,639
Speaker 1: You know, I mean we have because because the reason

1454
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 1: why you can get to seven and oh and like

1455
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 1: or ozhero and seven or whatever in UFC is that

1456
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 1: they still have a knee for content production overall, and

1457
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:05,640
Speaker 1: so they need they need manpower that is sort of

1458
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 1: more or less not readily available, but available for this

1459
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 1: slot and that slot and to fill in here and

1460
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 1: fill in there, and so you can kind of even

1461
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 1: if you don't have the winningest record. I don't know

1462
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 1: about seven losses, but you know, up up and down,

1463
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 1: let's say, if you still fill slots for them in

1464
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 1: ways that are convenient for their matchmaking and content production schedule,

1465
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 1: you can hang on, whereas in boxing it's a little

1466
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 1: bit more of what you kill. Yeah, lost that much,

1467
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:29,759
Speaker 1: you can't there's not a lot of interest.

1468
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:32,679
Speaker 2: To be clear, this does happen because there are guys

1469
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 2: jobs who are only to make prospects go round. And

1470
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 2: sometimes those guys doing that used to be names, and

1471
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 2: they're not. They don't care about ending their career with seven,

1472
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 2: eight losses or you know what, ten losses and eleven

1473
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 2: fights or whatever, because their job is kind of to

1474
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 2: go out there and lose by decision or get knocked out.

1475
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 2: It's just have we ever seen like a fall from

1476
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 2: grace on that. I mean, Leon Spinks was close Luke

1477
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:58,719
Speaker 2: winning the gold medal beating Muhammad Ali for the heavyweight

1478
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:02,640
Speaker 2: championship when he's seven and oh and then just completely

1479
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 2: falling apart in drugs and getting knocked out every time

1480
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:07,679
Speaker 2: he stepped up. And I mean that's probably the only

1481
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:09,520
Speaker 2: major comparison.

1482
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 1: Fair enough, all right? From Greg Leech ninety nine. I

1483
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 1: don't even know what to say about this. Thoughts on

1484
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:20,680
Speaker 1: Dana White's decision to let the Nelk Boys sign a

1485
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 1: fighter and sponsor Slash promote them despite still not allowing

1486
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:27,640
Speaker 1: fighters to acquire sponsors of their owns. Why am I

1487
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 1: supposed to give a fuck about this? Yeah?

1488
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 2: This sounds very like you know how much I don't

1489
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 2: care about nft s, Luke or Dojah Coin, you know

1490
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 2: what I mean? Like this fits into that. But why

1491
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 2: Dana White does have It's like Dana White's got these

1492
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 2: celebrity friends that he like supports or keeps, you know,

1493
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 2: propped up in relevant and sometimes you get it, You're like, oh,

1494
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 2: kid Rock, Yeah, I guess I get that, right, I

1495
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 2: don't get some of these other ones, like, man, he

1496
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 2: loves the damn Nelk Boys, Luke, what are milk Boys.

1497
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 1: Again, I don't know. I know we're too old, and

1498
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 1: I'm sure their podcast as much bigger than ours, so

1499
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 1: they're gonna be cooler and uh, I don't know. But

1500
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 1: here's my point. It's like, Oh, they're gonna they're gonna

1501
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 1: a guy who are a fighter who is a NELK

1502
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 1: boy sponsored whatever is going to come through Dana White's

1503
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:15,759
Speaker 1: Tuesday Night Contender series. And I'm like, Okay, they're probably

1504
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 1: still gonna sign a bad contract. The NELK Boys will

1505
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 1: probably pay them more than the UFC does, and either

1506
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 1: they're good enough to stick around or they're not. Like

1507
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:25,600
Speaker 1: either way, sorry, are we supposed.

1508
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,679
Speaker 2: To be afraid that like this will is the future

1509
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:31,679
Speaker 2: of this and next will have Howlerhead signed fighters and

1510
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 2: then we'll have like is this where this is going?

1511
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 2: Luke Bluchi, Well.

1512
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 1: The question is that he writes, despite still not allowing

1513
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:40,680
Speaker 1: fighters to acquire sponsors of their own, you can have

1514
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:42,680
Speaker 1: sponsors over your own. There's just limits over what you

1515
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 1: can show on anything where it's a UFC broadcast or event,

1516
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 1: right so that you could still have them. Here's a

1517
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 1: case where the NLK Boys will be able to advertise

1518
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:54,599
Speaker 1: that they have a fighter on the Uo, this will

1519
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 1: be a noted thing on the broadcast, which I guess

1520
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 1: the UFC. I don't know this, but my hunches BC

1521
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 1: Jesus is not doing this for free. They're probably paying

1522
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 1: for the right to do that. So you know, uh,

1523
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 1: why does it happening Because they're paying for the right

1524
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:10,680
Speaker 1: to do that.

1525
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 2: That's just like when you when you know your father

1526
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:15,759
Speaker 2: in law owns a business and you have him sponsor

1527
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:16,559
Speaker 2: your little league team.

1528
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 1: This was exact deal. And also it's like, dude, did

1529
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 1: you guys hear about this unfair uh labor practice that

1530
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:24,679
Speaker 1: the fighters aren't getting paid enough? It's like, yeah, we've

1531
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 1: heard of this. What would you like me to keep

1532
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 1: saying about this that I've not said fifty million times?

1533
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 1: It is an unequal situation that will not be rectified

1534
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 1: until someone rectifies it. So what do I think about it?

1535
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 1: And I think it's Monday, That's what I think about it.

1536
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 1: What do you want me to say? Yeah, all right, Luke?

1537
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:46,599
Speaker 2: Would you say though, even though we all like you know,

1538
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 2: grunted at the Rebok deal and what it meant for

1539
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 2: taking money and sponsors away from fighters, and we you know,

1540
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 2: we don't want that leverage to be gone. But do

1541
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 2: you agree that when you go back on UFC Fight

1542
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:58,759
Speaker 2: Pass and you know you're researching for the next fighter,

1543
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 2: you're just watching for fun. When you see a pre

1544
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 2: reboc era fight and you see the banner with the

1545
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 2: millions of sponsors, and you see the condom depot and

1546
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 2: all the you know, stuff that we've laughed at through

1547
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 2: the years, and the crazy shorts, that it looks triple

1548
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 2: a baseball compared to at least what you know. One

1549
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,519
Speaker 2: of the main focuses of going the uniformed full rebock

1550
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 2: route was to be uniformed and aligned in one but

1551
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 2: also to look cleaner. It's much cleaner, Luke. And it

1552
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 2: makes me hate venom this era so much more because

1553
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 2: even though it's not far from the rebock look, it

1554
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 2: just looks cheap and like spandex underwatery UNDERWI.

1555
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 1: Don't think that it looks all that much better. I

1556
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 1: think that the cage still being littered with ads kind

1557
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:46,720
Speaker 1: of undercuts that argument completely. And also I find it

1558
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 1: to be beside the point. I know what you're saying, like,

1559
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 1: does it look like yeah, I'm not arguing financially somewhat

1560
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 1: but not. I don't really, not for me all right

1561
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 1: from Cubby's Fan eighty. You see, if you guys were

1562
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 1: forced to participate in a Winter Olympic competition, oh fuck

1563
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:04,720
Speaker 1: me against a fellow donk of your ability, so you know,

1564
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 1: relatively even inabilities, which event would you choose? I don't

1565
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 1: even dude, I don't watch the Winter Olympics at all.

1566
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 1: What are Winter Olympic events?

1567
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 2: Skiing? Ice?

1568
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 1: Can I do the one where I ski and then

1569
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:18,640
Speaker 1: shoot ship and then skiathlon?

1570
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:26,440
Speaker 2: Yeah? Hockey, all kinds of luge, skeleton, bob sled type jams. Uh?

1571
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:28,639
Speaker 2: What else is there for men? Luke?

1572
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, let's see.

1573
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 2: Uh, okay, the Winter Olympic guy to be fair, except

1574
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 2: for when there's like USA Canada Hockey must see.

1575
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 1: It, you know. Oh, the answer to this is easy

1576
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 1: because I'm not doing skeleton where I go face first

1577
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:44,640
Speaker 1: or lose where I'm going you know the speed of

1578
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 1: light and shit, I'm not doing that. I'm not going

1579
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 1: back in time. I'm not doing that. However, However, curling, curling,

1580
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 1: I would try my hand.

1581
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 2: Curling used to be cool to talk about or imagine

1582
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 2: doing that, but then it got really lame, and then

1583
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:00,040
Speaker 2: something like moms are making curling jokes, and then it

1584
01:14:59,920 --> 01:15:01,719
Speaker 2: was it just sort of like, Okay, it's like Mambo

1585
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 2: number five. I just I can never hear it again

1586
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 2: or talk about it.

1587
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:06,560
Speaker 1: Okay, but the dude, the other ones, we're gonna get paralyzed.

1588
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 1: Alpine skiing, bob sled, cross cross country skiing, we're not well,

1589
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:13,639
Speaker 1: have a heart attack. We wouldn't have a figure skating,

1590
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:19,759
Speaker 1: freestyle skating, ice hockey, louge, Nordic combined.

1591
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 2: Skating at this No wonder why I suffer with winter depression.

1592
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 1: I don't ski and it gets worse, it gets worse

1593
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 1: for more. Skeleton ski jumping, dude, she will die ski jumping,

1594
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 1: snowboard and then speed skating. Dude, I'm fucking curling. I'm

1595
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 1: not doing that. Ship.

1596
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 2: I don't think there's actually an event that I can

1597
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 2: I can actually pull off Luke I can. So you're saying,

1598
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 2: like me against Damian the Donk, and yeah, uh, there's

1599
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 2: no like winter judo or anything. Look, there's no like,

1600
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 2: all right, is.

1601
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 1: There winter podcasting? I could do that reasonably?

1602
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:51,639
Speaker 2: Well, I suppose can we hang out in the Olympic

1603
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 2: village and watch everybody just like Orgy.

1604
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:55,799
Speaker 1: Or what happens?

1605
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 2: There.

1606
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 1: Yes, I want to do that, all right, last, but

1607
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:04,040
Speaker 1: sarly not least from televin. Keep a Bengals, Yes, Bengals

1608
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 1: or Rams. Tell me you're not cheering for the fuck

1609
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:07,599
Speaker 1: boy Rams.

1610
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 2: I don't care.

1611
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:12,679
Speaker 1: I don't care, dude. The Rams are owned by stan

1612
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 1: kronk Okay, who is one of the worst owners in

1613
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 1: all of sports and has run the great Arsenal franchise

1614
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 1: into the fucking ground. Arsenal was one of the great

1615
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:26,639
Speaker 1: teams of and this, I guess is still top eight

1616
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 1: ish or something.

1617
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 2: One of your argument to this team European soccer because

1618
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:33,680
Speaker 2: if it is Luke, we can just keep going, all right.

1619
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:38,760
Speaker 1: Uh dude, Well, here's my point. If a guy is

1620
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 1: an if a guy is an owner in sports, guy,

1621
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 1: if a guy is if a guy is an owner

1622
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 1: in sports, hold on, hold on. If a guy is

1623
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:49,920
Speaker 1: an owner in sports and his first bit is to

1624
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 1: ruin a once great franchise and his other one is

1625
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:54,640
Speaker 1: to take the Rams out of Saint Louis so he

1626
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:58,680
Speaker 1: could build a fucking taxpayer funded stadium in LA for

1627
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 1: a team that the city does doesn't even really want. Yeah, dude,

1628
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 1: you got to have a little character and cheer for

1629
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:05,840
Speaker 1: the fucking begles. I feel like.

1630
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 2: That's Joe Burrow, right, that's the guy who smokes we that. Yeah,

1631
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 2: I'll cheer for that guy.

1632
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 1: We'll cheer for Joe Burrow, right, Yeah, yeah, yes.

1633
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:18,919
Speaker 2: Just to shut up those stupid European soccer bosses.

1634
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 1: But dude, it's not even about that. You could ignore

1635
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 1: everything he did there and just talk about him as

1636
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 1: an owner in the NFL. He's a fucking terrible owner.

1637
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 2: Dude, Like when you're not boycotting the Beijing Olympics due

1638
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,480
Speaker 2: to human treatment.

1639
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 1: I am. I haven't watched one second of it. I

1640
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 1: refuse to watch it, and the next World Cup too

1641
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 1: in in Cutter. I'm not watching that shit fuck that.

1642
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 2: You used to live in Cutter.

1643
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not the place itself, it's the the government

1644
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:49,720
Speaker 1: basically had a bunch of people killed in order to

1645
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:53,879
Speaker 1: make stadiums for the tournament.

1646
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 2: I mean we're talking about, you know, potential doc options.

1647
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 2: What about B C and d C LT and c T.

1648
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, you're a You're a hoe when it comes

1649
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:04,800
Speaker 1: to this. How about come down several times and every

1650
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 1: time you have some cockamami story about why you can't

1651
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 1: do it.

1652
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:08,759
Speaker 2: How about MK and cutter?

1653
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 1: Luke?

1654
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 2: All right, how about that though?

1655
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 1: All right, how about you go there and get your

1656
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:16,840
Speaker 1: head cutter off, motherfucker? How about that? Do that? All right?

1657
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:19,200
Speaker 1: All right? With that minus time for your ship?

1658
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 2: Good sir, Yeah, that's what we do. We uh ska

1659
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:24,720
Speaker 2: with the globe for the highs and lows, the good,

1660
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:27,839
Speaker 2: the bad, the ugly, and the in between of combat

1661
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 2: sports and beyond. This is Luke's first time doing this

1662
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:32,720
Speaker 2: in like three weeks. Have you seen this?

1663
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 1: Not this ship. I'm gonna smoke my vape while I

1664
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 1: do this. By the way, there's no weeding this. That's

1665
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:41,720
Speaker 1: just a regular old uh wow.

1666
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 2: This is such your dad guy flex like. Hold on, guys,

1667
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 2: I got a new convertible here, you know. That's what's up.

1668
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 2: Fellow kids? All right, there we go? All right, yeah, Luke.

1669
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 1: We st do you do? Fellow kids? Get it right?

1670
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 2: Uh UFC fight. I had the vegas. How about middle

1671
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:06,719
Speaker 2: a cheety bang Joe Cooney with the sixteen second debut,

1672
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:09,519
Speaker 2: Luke and ko of Mark Andre Burial.

1673
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 1: I didn't understand the leg kick there. It didn't set

1674
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 1: it up, and you did it in punching range against

1675
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 1: the guy. This good. That's just no. Yeah, So does that.

1676
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 2: Pronounced njaconi jacuoni? I'm all over.

1677
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 1: So the way they say it on the broadcast, so again,

1678
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm saying it wrong too, but the way

1679
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 1: they say it on the broadcast is Enji kowani.

1680
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 2: Nji kawani. Okay, okay, I like the nickname bang Luke,

1681
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:33,679
Speaker 2: all right, Dwayne bang Ludwig. I like that shit. Okay,

1682
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 2: that's a great nickname, all right, Luke. Also, light heavyweight

1683
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 2: Jalton Almeida showed off his dance moves following his first

1684
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 2: round stopage of Danielio Marx. How about this, Luke, this

1685
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 2: guy's going after it.

1686
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 1: Man, bro, this guy is a super athlete too.

1687
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:48,800
Speaker 2: I mean, this guy's like this.

1688
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 1: This is me walking to This is me walking to

1689
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 1: the commode when MK is over look.

1690
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 2: I think this guy should be nicknamed Bang.

1691
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 1: Look at this right, yeah again, that's me walking into

1692
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:01,679
Speaker 1: go take a dump. When BC finally stopped talking, Yeah

1693
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 1: all right, all right, hey could they turn on the

1694
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 1: Oh my fire alarms are going on, because why would

1695
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 1: my family ever do anything to protect the sanctity of

1696
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:11,120
Speaker 1: this broadcast?

1697
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:16,919
Speaker 2: I think the vape set it off, Luke. Okay, yesterday

1698
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 2: this is like, yeah, I mean this is pretty ironic,

1699
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 2: don't you think.

1700
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 1: No, they're cooking out there, that's what they're.

1701
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 2: Doing, Okay, Luke. Uh Middleweight Brian Battle was talking with

1702
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 2: Michael Bishbing follow us that I want to hear the

1703
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:36,679
Speaker 2: most annoying shunt in the world.

1704
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 1: Luke. I'm having a fun time. I'm glad that they

1705
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 1: keep cooking out there.

1706
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:45,680
Speaker 2: Let's go to the videotape. How much did the eye

1707
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 2: bother you? Man?

1708
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 1: Who needs to ue tell me about it? You know

1709
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 1: I can still see through it. You know, it's a

1710
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 1: little swollen. Hopefully it'll get me a couple of free

1711
01:20:57,240 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 1: drinks tonight, you know what I'm saying.

1712
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:02,600
Speaker 5: But uh no, nothing nothing crazy.

1713
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 2: Look, that was a good one. That was a good one.

1714
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 1: That was a decent joke. Bisping has a sense of humor.

1715
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:11,120
Speaker 1: It's good to see that was good.

1716
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:13,760
Speaker 2: Battles a savage by the way. He came from the

1717
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 2: Contender series. I saw his episode that time he goes

1718
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 2: after or was he from The Ultimate Fighter? Which one

1719
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 2: was it?

1720
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 1: He was the Ultimate Fighter? He actually had his trophy.

1721
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 1: I guess it was a point of content. I did

1722
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 1: not watch a single second. Ultimate.

1723
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:27,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was from Tough. My bad.

1724
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:29,920
Speaker 1: I guess it was a single. I guess he wanted

1725
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 1: to show that like he was the actual tough champ.

1726
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 2: All right, look, let's go to the post fight press conference.

1727
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 2: Here's Sean Strickland talking to John Morgan of Blue Shirt Fame.

1728
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 1: I saw this.

1729
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:45,720
Speaker 4: Wait, you only fat shame people you care about. If

1730
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 4: you ever want to work out, bro, you let me

1731
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 4: know where do you live at you Vegas man. You're

1732
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 4: a Vegas guy, Vegas guy, you come change. I'm gonna

1733
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 4: help you out.

1734
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 1: Dude, get to drink beer afterwards. Yeah, yeah, he make

1735
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:54,719
Speaker 1: a dick.

1736
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:56,679
Speaker 4: At least two inches bigger. But I promise you every

1737
01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 4: time I make way do, my dick is at least

1738
01:21:58,280 --> 01:21:59,600
Speaker 4: one inch bigger. And I got a little dick, so

1739
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:01,759
Speaker 4: you know, I take it. Ranch I get. I appreciate

1740
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 4: me for it.

1741
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 2: Very luke, that's probably like the fifth weirdest interview he's

1742
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:10,960
Speaker 2: had this week. I mean, did you see him talking

1743
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 2: about the way Oscar Willis stresses and uh, dude, why

1744
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:14,839
Speaker 2: are people.

1745
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:17,360
Speaker 1: Going that's not even the weirdest thing he said for

1746
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 1: this post fight scrum. Later he was like you know,

1747
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 1: I like mcmahonar and have a good relationship. He's like,

1748
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 1: I'm a company man, I will suck that d you

1749
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 1: just let me know. And I'm like, okay, ah Andy.

1750
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 2: King, Andy King, Baby, Luke, why are people going after

1751
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:35,280
Speaker 2: John Morgan lately? Like you know, he left it off

1752
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 2: and no one wants to be in that spot, But

1753
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:39,360
Speaker 2: like people are John Jones and him lately.

1754
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 1: Luke, listen, man, there's just no if you want to

1755
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 1: be MMA media fighters are going to take shots at you.

1756
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 1: There's just nothing else you can do about it.

1757
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:49,280
Speaker 2: I mean, it's payback for all the shit you say

1758
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 2: on this podcast about them.

1759
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 1: Luke. Motherfucker, you're the one who is racking up the enemies.

1760
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:57,320
Speaker 1: I'm actually the one who's like mending fences.

1761
01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:00,400
Speaker 2: All right, uh Luke? Speaking of bang featherweights, Jillian to

1762
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 2: Rosa and Steven Patterson they banged, Luke. They gave us

1763
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:06,679
Speaker 2: a batshit war and it was great.

1764
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was an absolute uh you know, well, here's

1765
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:14,799
Speaker 1: what I liked about it. Erosa was probably the better fighter,

1766
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 1: but he had a kind of a fatal flaw that

1767
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:20,120
Speaker 1: Peterson found and it gave him total life. And then

1768
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 1: it kind of even the fight out and then it

1769
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 1: just became basically like you know who wanted it more?

1770
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 1: And you could have gone either way, although I thought

1771
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:29,840
Speaker 1: of Rosa had done the better work. But Jesus Christ,

1772
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:32,640
Speaker 1: this ended up being a great fight much gro I

1773
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 1: thought it was going to be.

1774
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Caveman FC main event worthy, no question about it, Luke.

1775
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 2: Let's catch up with other two sport athletes beyond Dion

1776
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 2: Sanders and Bo Jackson. Let's go with first, uh boxer

1777
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:47,440
Speaker 2: Canelo Alvarez at the AT and T Pebble Beach program

1778
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:51,240
Speaker 2: million dollar Hole in one event. Here's a par three

1779
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 2: t off from Big Red.

1780
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:55,680
Speaker 1: Now I know nothing about golf. How good of a

1781
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 1: golfer is?

1782
01:23:56,360 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 2: Oh shit? So he came and she got from hidding

1783
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 2: me from winning a million dollars with the hole in

1784
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 2: one on that hole, Luke. And right before he hit it,

1785
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 2: like seconds before, Jim Nance was interviewing him, like in

1786
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 2: front of the whole crowd, and he was like, you know,

1787
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 2: how much do you play Canelo? Canello goes four hours

1788
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 2: a day and Nance's like, oh yeah, right, Like come on,

1789
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:19,760
Speaker 2: don't you box. He's like yes, but boxing training five

1790
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:22,679
Speaker 2: hours a day, golf four hours a day like Canelo

1791
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:24,640
Speaker 2: is like, no, bro, I'm coming, I'm coming on on

1792
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:24,920
Speaker 2: the load.

1793
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:27,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I know nothing about golf to say if

1794
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 1: he looks good or not, but he seems to be

1795
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:31,439
Speaker 1: the genuine article man. That's pretty impressive.

1796
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:34,679
Speaker 2: You think him and MJ should golf together.

1797
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 1: Right, he's are his eyes going to come back as

1798
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:41,000
Speaker 1: jaundice from years of alcohol abuse?

1799
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:45,000
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, all right. Other two sport athletes this weekend, Luke,

1800
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 2: a former cruiserweight champion now heavyweight champion Alexander Usik, suit

1801
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:54,759
Speaker 2: it up for the Ukrainian second tier soccer team FC Police.

1802
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 2: Yah and big number seventeen there, Luke got got a

1803
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:01,000
Speaker 2: nice pass in front of the goal. Let's check out

1804
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:01,760
Speaker 2: his skills there.

1805
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 1: That's a fucking huge soccer player.

1806
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, six six four and a half. Yeah, two

1807
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 2: hundred two hund oh.

1808
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:13,680
Speaker 1: Plus we got him. So. I can't quite tell what

1809
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 1: position he's playing here, but he's like a forward.

1810
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 2: Here is off the side throw and they set him

1811
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:23,800
Speaker 2: up here Luke right here, look at gimme gimme the god.

1812
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:24,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, god damn it.

1813
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:26,519
Speaker 2: You know, Luke, he may have to stick to his

1814
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:30,919
Speaker 2: day job, but this next guy, Luke YouTuber turned boxer

1815
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 2: turned promoter Jake Paul at MSG to promote Serrano and

1816
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:43,799
Speaker 2: and Katie Taylor and from Way Downtown. Luke Bang, Wow Wow,

1817
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:46,440
Speaker 2: Luke Wow the Rifleman.

1818
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 1: I mean it's a little much with a celebration.

1819
01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:52,559
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, that's so much better than Connor

1820
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:54,320
Speaker 2: McGregor's three at MSG.

1821
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:57,400
Speaker 1: Believe that's not saying much. I mean that's not saying much,

1822
01:25:57,439 --> 01:25:58,280
Speaker 1: but yes, it is better.

1823
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:02,679
Speaker 2: Francis and Gatu met Shaq Luke not not Shaq MAJORI

1824
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 2: the real Shack. And look at that ease that he's

1825
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:07,839
Speaker 2: handling the diesel.

1826
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:11,919
Speaker 1: Wow, dude. Yeah, Francis is a mutant. He's the strongest

1827
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 1: motherfucker on Earth. I'm convinced of this. Yeah, he's just

1828
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:17,639
Speaker 1: he's just insane, dude.

1829
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 2: Think about it. How many people have ever done that

1830
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 2: to Shaquille and Neil? Like he was actually kind of

1831
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:22,920
Speaker 2: humbled right there.

1832
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:28,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, he just high crotch lifts him there. Uh and

1833
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:30,439
Speaker 1: not even like with a proper high crotch technique either.

1834
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:31,760
Speaker 1: He didn't really get his elbow full.

1835
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 2: I imagine your Shaq, you're you know, you're seven to

1836
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:36,680
Speaker 2: one and jacked and at your physical peak you're a

1837
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 2: freak athlete, like pro sports rarely has ever seen in

1838
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 2: the history of life. And you've got it. Just a

1839
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 2: hammer down there, Luke, And you've just spent your life

1840
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:47,799
Speaker 2: just physically dominating people.

1841
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1842
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 2: And then and the big Frank walks up.

1843
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's probably got an eel in his pants to

1844
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 1: borrow from Joe Rogan there. Hew me ask you this, though,

1845
01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:58,080
Speaker 1: how much do you think Shaq? Ways? Like three point

1846
01:26:58,080 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 1: fifty three eighty.

1847
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:02,360
Speaker 2: Y'all guy, even though he's muscular. Yeah, definitely three three

1848
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:06,000
Speaker 2: fifty Yeah, I mean that's just three picked up like nothing,

1849
01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, all right, well, Luke, speaking of hoops legends,

1850
01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:11,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw this video making the rounds,

1851
01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:15,640
Speaker 2: they found middle school footage of Lebron James Luke. He

1852
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:18,200
Speaker 2: was just as dominant back then as he is today.

1853
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 1: Picked this out, fucking them kids. Shit, Luke, you.

1854
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:30,240
Speaker 2: Gotta admit, when you're at like family reunion and there's

1855
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:33,920
Speaker 2: a hoop and there's like uncles and cousins and you know,

1856
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 2: aunts playing, you turn into Magic Johnson and you are

1857
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 2: going like around the back and just clown and people

1858
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 2: like it's and one you know.

1859
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:43,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been trying to teach my daughter how to dribble.

1860
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:47,559
Speaker 1: I steal the ball from her. Like you know, who's

1861
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:49,599
Speaker 1: one of the all time leader in steals in the NBA.

1862
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:52,960
Speaker 1: I don't even stocked him. Yeah, I don't quite have

1863
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:56,599
Speaker 1: his insane anti vaccine views, but I'll take his uh,

1864
01:27:57,240 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 1: I'll take his stealing skills when it comes to three

1865
01:27:59,479 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 1: year olds.

1866
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 2: Look, they were like season ticket holder no more. All right?

1867
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 2: You know, okay, Luke, that we have done too much

1868
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:10,120
Speaker 2: real sports. Let's get drum people involved. Look you've ever

1869
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:11,920
Speaker 2: been out a bar and you just go full on

1870
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 2: coyote ugly like this guy looking, Oh yeah, that's great shit.

1871
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:24,639
Speaker 1: They went all the proper twelve.

1872
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:27,880
Speaker 2: Oh boy, is that a tattooer? Is that chest hair?

1873
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 1: Luke?

1874
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:31,960
Speaker 2: I can't tell whether he don't know. Hopefully he's not

1875
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 2: coming back. All right, Back to the cage LFA twenty three, Luke,

1876
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 2: Sometimes you're the hammer and sometimes you're logan nail who

1877
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:43,400
Speaker 2: needed just seconds to get this TKO in round one.

1878
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:44,559
Speaker 2: That's some brutal shit, Luke.

1879
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:47,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, regional mma produces. I mean, you can see

1880
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:49,840
Speaker 1: this stuff in the UFC, but regional mma is like

1881
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 1: this is just how shit goes every other fight.

1882
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:56,639
Speaker 2: The guy's name is Logan Nail. Do you think he'd

1883
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:59,640
Speaker 2: be abhorred by my toenail situation? Luke? I mean to

1884
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 2: be fair.

1885
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:04,080
Speaker 1: You know, if he's Logan Nail, are you diseased nail.

1886
01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 2: Johndae nail?

1887
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:08,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, are you a fungus nail?

1888
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:11,000
Speaker 2: All right, hey, Luke, let's play your favorite game in

1889
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 2: the world. Rate that tat MMA edition. We start with

1890
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:18,759
Speaker 2: Marlon Cheito Vera going all head scorpo.

1891
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 1: Marlon has good tattoos.

1892
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:22,520
Speaker 2: Look you into that head scorpion.

1893
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a great I gotta say that's not for me.

1894
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:28,160
Speaker 1: That is a a Cheeto is a tough bastard boy.

1895
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:29,280
Speaker 1: Let me tell you that is.

1896
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 2: I mean his tat's already said something that says something, Luke,

1897
01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:36,920
Speaker 2: that says that you know, that says I could I

1898
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:38,719
Speaker 2: could rape you in jail. Look that's what it says.

1899
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:42,120
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, that's a strong So that is a it's

1900
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:43,799
Speaker 1: a no bullshit message on that one.

1901
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:47,639
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the champ again. Davison figuredo. Luke,

1902
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 2: I must have got DMD about fifty times when you

1903
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 2: are on vacation people wanting your take on this, mister

1904
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:55,880
Speaker 2: heboss looking tattoo of the championship plate.

1905
01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:01,160
Speaker 1: It's busted. It's pretty busted off. Four fortunately like it.

1906
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:03,280
Speaker 2: Maybe I like this Brazilian style, Luke.

1907
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:05,960
Speaker 1: Maybe that's here's the here's the problem. If you look

1908
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:08,679
Speaker 1: at for example, I mean, it's just it's not clean

1909
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:12,799
Speaker 1: work at all. The problem is, for example, the shading

1910
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:15,640
Speaker 1: is inconsistent. The line work is not like the U

1911
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:17,479
Speaker 1: and the F and the sea don't have clean line work.

1912
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:19,920
Speaker 1: And more to the point, look at something like that.

1913
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:22,760
Speaker 1: The tip of the green part at sort of the

1914
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 1: top of the tattoo. It's wider in terms of the

1915
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:27,760
Speaker 1: black underneath than the blue part. So the thing is, look,

1916
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:32,400
Speaker 1: the tip is normally wider. To be fair, you see,

1917
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:35,200
Speaker 1: you don't always have to make terrible jokes. You can

1918
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:38,720
Speaker 1: choose to make them on occasion and therefore limit the

1919
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:40,280
Speaker 1: impact that they have on the show.

1920
01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:43,639
Speaker 2: One day, the first rule of improv Luke, one day.

1921
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:45,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not it's just not it's not great. It's

1922
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:49,240
Speaker 1: not great. The significance is extraordinary, but it's not great.

1923
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:51,800
Speaker 2: Luke. It's been a long time since I turned off

1924
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:54,519
Speaker 2: your pilot light during this segment, Luca, it's happy to

1925
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:57,120
Speaker 2: know it's still possible. Hey, let's Luke speaking of you.

1926
01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:59,760
Speaker 2: I found the perfect birthday cake. What's your birthday again, Luke?

1927
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 1: August fifth?

1928
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:03,839
Speaker 2: August fifth, you'll be looking at this, Luke.

1929
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:09,439
Speaker 1: That'd be the best cake I got in years. Don't

1930
01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 1: threaten me with a good time, asshole.

1931
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:16,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, IICP for life, Luke. Okay, all right? Uh we

1932
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:18,760
Speaker 2: talked about the NFL playoffs, Luk. Apparently they were the

1933
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:20,720
Speaker 2: best of all time. I just didn't watch a ton

1934
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:23,240
Speaker 2: of it, but these fans did. What do you think

1935
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:27,120
Speaker 2: about this Bengals fans beer Beard celebrating all the way

1936
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:27,840
Speaker 2: to the Super Bowl.

1937
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:31,760
Speaker 1: Look, yeah, this is excellent. Not just because he did

1938
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:34,080
Speaker 1: the beard with the six beers, which is, by the way,

1939
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:36,160
Speaker 1: it's good that you know five of his friends can

1940
01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:40,040
Speaker 1: all join him. But he did the face paint correctly,

1941
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:43,320
Speaker 1: like in conjunction with it. He didn't mail in the look.

1942
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:45,759
Speaker 1: The whole look is done correctly.

1943
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:48,960
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I mean, look, is there any chance that

1944
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:51,760
Speaker 2: the people that paint their face for NFL games and

1945
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:56,519
Speaker 2: have season tickets like you could trust them to babysit

1946
01:31:56,680 --> 01:31:57,599
Speaker 2: in a pinch?

1947
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:00,040
Speaker 1: No? If you paint your face like that and you

1948
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:02,160
Speaker 1: go to an NFL game, it's a guarantee there's a

1949
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:03,800
Speaker 1: tax line on one of your problems.

1950
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:08,439
Speaker 2: All right, I guess that's better than that sex offender.

1951
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:08,599
Speaker 1: Luke.

1952
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 2: All right, let's keep it going, Luke tough. L's up

1953
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:16,599
Speaker 2: in Buffalo in the playoffs. Playoffs. And also for this couple, Luke.

1954
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 1: Please let them by the farm, please lift them by

1955
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:20,920
Speaker 1: the form. Yes.

1956
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 2: Wow, he almost had a toss cellar there, Luke. Wow.

1957
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:31,320
Speaker 2: All right, Hey, Luke, Steelers fans celebrated Big Ben's retirement

1958
01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:34,600
Speaker 2: with with this little skirmish. How about this for a

1959
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:35,320
Speaker 2: finishing move?

1960
01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:40,719
Speaker 1: Why did you take the hat off? Yeah? Exactly?

1961
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:42,800
Speaker 2: Oh god, I.

1962
01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:44,320
Speaker 1: Like how the other person just kind of like like

1963
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:46,680
Speaker 1: does it like like your big sister, like, you know,

1964
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:47,920
Speaker 1: pushing you in the face.

1965
01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:50,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. But Paula Maler's not done taking l's Luke, He's getting.

1966
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:52,280
Speaker 2: Oh guy, he's getting.

1967
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:54,200
Speaker 1: You know, you know, Troy cut his hair and has

1968
01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:57,200
Speaker 1: just fallen off the center. That Paula mala really used

1969
01:32:57,200 --> 01:32:58,760
Speaker 1: to be such a beast on the field and now

1970
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:00,200
Speaker 1: he's just a decrepit white guy.

1971
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:03,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Luke, NFL fans don't care they'll do fan on

1972
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:05,439
Speaker 2: fan violence. Let's keep it going here.

1973
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:08,000
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, why would you ever go to

1974
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:10,759
Speaker 1: an NFL game? I mean I just couldn't even imagine

1975
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:12,720
Speaker 1: what could compel you to want to go to one

1976
01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:13,599
Speaker 1: of those things.

1977
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:16,040
Speaker 2: Well, let's go to the L A. Rams crowd.

1978
01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:19,120
Speaker 1: Luke, Okay, here we go. Yeah, let's go.

1979
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:21,840
Speaker 2: Oh jeez, oh my god, a Titans fan.

1980
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:28,960
Speaker 1: Lukey, Titans fan was like planking down those fuck oh.

1981
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:28,880
Speaker 2: Go full screen, we gotta go full street.

1982
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:31,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, let's let's break down this, uh, this meeting

1983
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 1: of the mensa minds here, this is this is me

1984
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:39,600
Speaker 1: after my mentions, after I tweet something totally innocuous.

1985
01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:43,320
Speaker 2: It's not over here though.

1986
01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:46,040
Speaker 1: It's not only just steps on the head.

1987
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:50,080
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Yeah.

1988
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:52,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, why would you go to an NFL game?

1989
01:33:52,280 --> 01:33:52,599
Speaker 1: I just.

1990
01:33:54,040 --> 01:33:56,160
Speaker 2: That footage says it all. Luke, all right, Hey, let's

1991
01:33:56,160 --> 01:33:57,960
Speaker 2: go to the gym. I haven't seen a good weightlifting

1992
01:33:57,960 --> 01:33:58,679
Speaker 2: fail in a while.

1993
01:33:58,760 --> 01:33:59,920
Speaker 1: Lukey, I love those.

1994
01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:06,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see this guy kiss the ground like wow,

1995
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:08,280
Speaker 2: you know.

1996
01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:11,320
Speaker 1: What, credit to this guy for actually uploading it. I

1997
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:14,280
Speaker 1: actually commend him. Not a great job and catch it. Yeah,

1998
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:16,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not sure what it looked like for

1999
01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:17,720
Speaker 1: a second. The first time I saw is like, is

2000
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:20,439
Speaker 1: he trying to catch it in the snatch? He's trying

2001
01:34:20,479 --> 01:34:22,519
Speaker 1: to clean and he's got the straps on. It's just

2002
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:26,320
Speaker 1: not giving himself a lot of gas. That was a snatch.

2003
01:34:26,439 --> 01:34:28,320
Speaker 1: It was a snatch because he tries to go behind

2004
01:34:28,360 --> 01:34:31,400
Speaker 1: the head and his hands are way too close together,

2005
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:32,920
Speaker 1: like what the fuck? And you got straps on? Like,

2006
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:34,920
Speaker 1: what the fuck are you doing? Man?

2007
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:39,040
Speaker 2: Gath wanted to know if that's Jimmy krue of UFC FAI.

2008
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:41,160
Speaker 1: No, Jimmy Crews strong as an ox. This dude is

2009
01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:42,920
Speaker 1: just some random donk in his garage.

2010
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:44,000
Speaker 2: How is he not knocked out?

2011
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:47,720
Speaker 1: Look? Look, look, look, look yeah, look because he's just

2012
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 1: got you know, a cranium the size of the of

2013
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:53,720
Speaker 1: the Great Wall of China. Well look, keep keep hard,

2014
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:56,360
Speaker 1: keep playing it, keep playing it. Watch when he closes

2015
01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:59,400
Speaker 1: it up, mouth breathing into the phone. Look at it.

2016
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:02,360
Speaker 2: I mean, look, he's concussed. Let's be fair, all right,

2017
01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:06,920
Speaker 2: just well, look, that wasn't the grossest white guy moved

2018
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:09,680
Speaker 2: this week from somebody hopefully not can cuss. Let's go

2019
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:14,679
Speaker 2: to the massage table. Stepe miochis the former champion posting this, Luke,

2020
01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:17,600
Speaker 2: he was getting a nude massage and then like you

2021
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:20,360
Speaker 2: walking through first class on the way to coach. He

2022
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:23,639
Speaker 2: just crop tested this fellow. Luke, I don't know why

2023
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:26,960
Speaker 2: we're watching this. I mean that is that is?

2024
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 1: Uh?

2025
01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:29,840
Speaker 2: I mean who posts that?

2026
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:35,160
Speaker 1: Luke? Can we just move to the next line.

2027
01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:45,120
Speaker 2: I mean there's proof, Luke Steve tapped. Yes he did. Wow. Okay, look, hey,

2028
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:48,720
Speaker 2: T shirt of the Week time, Luke, I call this

2029
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:50,639
Speaker 2: guy the og of BD.

2030
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:54,400
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy's a hero too many, including myself

2031
01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:58,200
Speaker 1: and you, and uh, I want I want him at

2032
01:35:58,200 --> 01:36:00,639
Speaker 1: every party I'm ever at for the rest of my life.

2033
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:02,639
Speaker 2: I mean, he's been golf for a while, but Luke,

2034
01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:07,160
Speaker 2: big Dick is back in town and he's he's just lay. Look,

2035
01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:09,400
Speaker 2: you think he's a snowbird. And when he gets back,

2036
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:11,920
Speaker 2: you know, to Florida in the winter, it's like, okay,

2037
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:14,120
Speaker 2: it's you know, Big Dick's here.

2038
01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:17,680
Speaker 1: Right, Who is it? Nick Foles? Big Dick?

2039
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:17,960
Speaker 2: Nick?

2040
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:20,400
Speaker 1: This is Nick Foles in like forty years, just walking

2041
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:20,960
Speaker 1: around town.

2042
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:24,000
Speaker 2: But it's not the weirdest T shirt this week, Luke.

2043
01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:26,760
Speaker 2: That would go to this young fella on the left,

2044
01:36:27,320 --> 01:36:29,680
Speaker 2: I don't know where parenting has taken us.

2045
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:33,439
Speaker 1: All right, Well that's a bit much for a young

2046
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:38,240
Speaker 1: man to be wearing or I don't even really know

2047
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:41,960
Speaker 1: what the situation is here, but you know there's a

2048
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:45,200
Speaker 1: there's a parenting learning lesson here that needs to happen.

2049
01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:45,559
Speaker 1: I think.

2050
01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:48,679
Speaker 2: All right, Luke White, trash move of the Week goes

2051
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:56,479
Speaker 2: to this Jenga playing hero. Check this out. We're at

2052
01:36:56,479 --> 01:36:56,920
Speaker 2: the wedding.

2053
01:36:57,120 --> 01:37:03,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I would like to hate on this man.

2054
01:37:03,439 --> 01:37:05,120
Speaker 1: I would like to hate on this man a lot,

2055
01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:12,800
Speaker 1: and I was about to, but I gotta admit, I

2056
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:15,320
Speaker 1: gotta admit that's pretty slick. I gotta admit that's pretty

2057
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:17,599
Speaker 1: fucking slick. I mean, this guy had everything you would

2058
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:21,120
Speaker 1: want to hate about him, worst haircut, dressed like the

2059
01:37:21,200 --> 01:37:26,600
Speaker 1: absolute worst, acting like the absolute worst. And that was

2060
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:28,599
Speaker 1: the best. That was honestly the best.

2061
01:37:28,760 --> 01:37:31,280
Speaker 2: Where I come from, this guy is a hero. Luke,

2062
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:32,920
Speaker 2: There's no question, dude, this.

2063
01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:34,760
Speaker 1: Is your town. Mayor just admit it.

2064
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:40,880
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, thank you, luc It's knockout of the week time.

2065
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:47,400
Speaker 2: You can now call this kid Luca Bratzi because after

2066
01:37:47,479 --> 01:37:52,439
Speaker 2: meeting this eel, he's sleeps with the fishes.

2067
01:37:52,520 --> 01:37:55,439
Speaker 1: Luke. Yeah, I don't understand these people.

2068
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:00,760
Speaker 2: Definitely Jim not getting up.

2069
01:38:01,120 --> 01:38:04,320
Speaker 1: So the eel electrocuted him? Is that the idea what happened?

2070
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:05,840
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's an eel. I just that

2071
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:07,519
Speaker 2: was the first thing that came to my head. This

2072
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:09,760
Speaker 2: is a bad this ko one, Luke, this is this

2073
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:11,760
Speaker 2: is not you know, no.

2074
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:15,040
Speaker 1: You know, here's the thing. If you try to fuck

2075
01:38:15,120 --> 01:38:17,360
Speaker 1: with animals and then you fall into the water, I

2076
01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:19,559
Speaker 1: think it should just be you have you just drown

2077
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:21,400
Speaker 1: like that's just goodbye? Yeah.

2078
01:38:21,479 --> 01:38:24,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's the biggest one shot KO of the week.

2079
01:38:25,320 --> 01:38:28,719
Speaker 2: Here's an attempt at an interesting kick here, Luke. Let's

2080
01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:32,080
Speaker 2: go to the bathroom. There's nothing like drunk chicks, Luke.

2081
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:34,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, they should try one of these kicks in

2082
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:34,960
Speaker 1: the UFC.

2083
01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:36,280
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2084
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:38,439
Speaker 1: I can't believe they have the one. I mean she

2085
01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:40,160
Speaker 1: but by the way, she almost got both of them.

2086
01:38:40,160 --> 01:38:42,200
Speaker 1: I just want to point that out. Yeah, she almost

2087
01:38:42,240 --> 01:38:45,519
Speaker 1: took out two there. Ah, Luke.

2088
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:50,080
Speaker 2: You always see videos with suspect karate techniques on mic

2089
01:38:50,120 --> 01:38:52,639
Speaker 2: Dojo Life Speed. Here's what they got this time.

2090
01:38:56,040 --> 01:39:01,439
Speaker 1: Oh god, oh god, just what are we doing? I mean,

2091
01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:05,040
Speaker 1: we're running over children for training?

2092
01:39:05,320 --> 01:39:09,760
Speaker 2: Is that what we're doing karate for defense purposes only, Luke.

2093
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:13,760
Speaker 1: Okay, dude, they've gone from wax off wax on to yo.

2094
01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:17,839
Speaker 1: Let me just run over you with my motorcycle, mister Miagi,

2095
01:39:17,880 --> 01:39:20,760
Speaker 1: what will this teach me? Shut the fuck uf Danielsan.

2096
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:23,519
Speaker 2: Luke, it wouldn't be a great have you seen this

2097
01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:27,479
Speaker 2: shit without some elder abuse. So let's go to Grandma

2098
01:39:28,240 --> 01:39:31,200
Speaker 2: taking the young and for a tour of the old firehouse.

2099
01:39:30,760 --> 01:39:39,160
Speaker 1: Luke, and just buys the farm. Dude, you would be surprised.

2100
01:39:39,200 --> 01:39:42,080
Speaker 1: You know what gets most young and old people alike,

2101
01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:47,760
Speaker 1: as this video attests to, inertia. Inertia just kills them

2102
01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:49,920
Speaker 1: right because they don't pick their feet up. They just

2103
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:52,479
Speaker 1: keep moving in the same direction, and then they end

2104
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:54,200
Speaker 1: up doing I can't say how many times my daughter

2105
01:39:54,360 --> 01:39:56,640
Speaker 1: just not looking where she's going, and then the inertia

2106
01:39:56,880 --> 01:39:59,640
Speaker 1: carry her forward. Then she ends up tripping over like

2107
01:39:59,680 --> 01:40:01,360
Speaker 1: half million things that she left on the floor.

2108
01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:04,719
Speaker 2: Well, hopefully, Luke, when she goes out in the snow

2109
01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:06,479
Speaker 2: this winter, she doesn't trip over this.

2110
01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:11,479
Speaker 1: Well, it's nice that you made that kind of joke

2111
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:13,599
Speaker 1: about my two year old daughter. It really is an

2112
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:14,880
Speaker 1: important thing that you did there.

2113
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:17,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the worst segues we've had, Luke, that.

2114
01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:20,040
Speaker 1: Was a really really bad one. I think you just

2115
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:21,639
Speaker 1: did there. I think we should just move. Although it's

2116
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:23,800
Speaker 1: funny that the picture. I understand the joke. It's a

2117
01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:25,760
Speaker 1: cock with some balls, I get that, But.

2118
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:29,800
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it was a transition, Luke.

2119
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:32,240
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, I think I think, I think I

2120
01:40:32,280 --> 01:40:34,599
Speaker 1: think you just keep transitioning, is what I would say.

2121
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:38,679
Speaker 2: Wow, all right, well, Luke will close with this. This

2122
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:43,360
Speaker 2: is where hopefully you'll find yourself shortly after the show ends.

2123
01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:50,840
Speaker 1: Someone on the commode. Oh god, dude, I didn't know

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Speaker 1: they had pictures and video of heaven.

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01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:57,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's why is.

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01:40:57,280 --> 01:40:59,479
Speaker 1: There a random Obama poster in the back.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to cypress Hill on Instagram, which has nothing

2128
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:06,559
Speaker 2: but these videos over and over again in.

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01:41:06,720 --> 01:41:09,280
Speaker 1: You know, pantas say this is a waste of marijuana,

2130
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:12,759
Speaker 1: and I challenge that very much. This is an excellent

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01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:13,680
Speaker 1: use of marijuana.

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Speaker 2: Actually, well, Luke, poor transitions or not, that's the share.

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Speaker 1: Of the week. There, you go, very good. B See,

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Speaker 1: before we get to our Rogan odds and ends, you

2135
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:24,400
Speaker 1: want to give us your other odds and ends that

2136
01:41:24,479 --> 01:41:26,880
Speaker 1: you pulled with some of your interviews that you've done.

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01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:29,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, here's the deal. Does anybody want us talking

2138
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:31,800
Speaker 2: about fight or Pay every episode for a half hour? No,

2139
01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:34,680
Speaker 2: but I do, haven't you know? And and I get

2140
01:41:34,720 --> 01:41:36,160
Speaker 2: what you said earlier about you know, well, what you

2141
01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:37,600
Speaker 2: want me to say, This is what I'm always going

2142
01:41:37,680 --> 01:41:39,640
Speaker 2: to say. You know, they deserve better, but it's up

2143
01:41:39,680 --> 01:41:41,720
Speaker 2: to them to take that ball and run with it.

2144
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:44,120
Speaker 2: And I agree. But let me throw to two different

2145
01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:45,920
Speaker 2: clips I had. So I've got some interviews that are

2146
01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:49,200
Speaker 2: either out or still coming out this week on YouTube

2147
01:41:49,200 --> 01:41:54,360
Speaker 2: dot com Slash Morning Combat, Robert Whitaker, Derek Lewis, and

2148
01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:57,400
Speaker 2: also a very good one with Anthony Pettis's Who's you know?

2149
01:41:57,439 --> 01:42:00,080
Speaker 2: Promoting his first card this weekend on UFC Fight Pass

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01:42:00,160 --> 01:42:04,240
Speaker 2: or in Great Chat anyway, Luke, you know I asked,

2151
01:42:04,600 --> 01:42:07,480
Speaker 2: I asked them about fighter Pay. Here's two of their responses,

2152
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:09,840
Speaker 2: And I just want to kind of ask you a

2153
01:42:09,880 --> 01:42:10,760
Speaker 2: point question about this.

2154
01:42:10,840 --> 01:42:11,320
Speaker 1: Let's go to it.

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01:42:11,400 --> 01:42:18,839
Speaker 2: Jaf God, the champ in your division is in Ghano.

2156
01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:21,880
Speaker 2: Still he wrestles, as you mentioned, he keeps the belt,

2157
01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:25,080
Speaker 2: but look he's in a lot of other kind of headlines,

2158
01:42:25,200 --> 01:42:29,559
Speaker 2: labor disputes, contracts, all that. I want to give you your

2159
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:31,160
Speaker 2: chance to react to it. But I'm not trying to

2160
01:42:31,160 --> 01:42:34,400
Speaker 2: trap you. I understand you can say what you can say,

2161
01:42:34,640 --> 01:42:36,920
Speaker 2: what's comfortable for you and your stance. But when you

2162
01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:40,760
Speaker 2: watch Francis take this stand, are you cheering for him?

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01:42:41,240 --> 01:42:41,439
Speaker 4: Uh?

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01:42:41,479 --> 01:42:43,479
Speaker 2: Do you think it's too risky? What do you think

2165
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:43,880
Speaker 2: about this?

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01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:48,480
Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't know what's how his contract

2167
01:42:48,520 --> 01:42:50,320
Speaker 1: situation is. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: What's going on but behind closed doors and everything with

2169
01:42:56,439 --> 01:42:59,120
Speaker 2: his camp, and so I really don't I don't know.

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01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:10,519
Speaker 2: That's Sterrick Lewis. And also uh, Robert Whitaker zero, let's

2171
01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:13,840
Speaker 2: see a riff. Robert Whittaker takes the uh, the opportunity

2172
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:15,719
Speaker 2: or or the bait. However you look at this, which

2173
01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:18,840
Speaker 2: is interesting. You don't make a lot of headlines talking trash,

2174
01:43:18,920 --> 01:43:21,640
Speaker 2: not your style. You don't make a lot of headlines complaining.

2175
01:43:21,680 --> 01:43:24,760
Speaker 2: But when you see a contemporary, an elite champion, and

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01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:28,400
Speaker 2: Francis and Ganu and the walk he's going through publicly

2177
01:43:29,000 --> 01:43:32,559
Speaker 2: for fighters rights, how do you respond when you watch that?

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Speaker 5: Might that that that that is a tricky question. That

2179
01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:47,760
Speaker 5: is a tricky question, because yeah, that is that's what

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01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:51,080
Speaker 5: do I even say? It's it's such a that's that

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01:43:51,240 --> 01:43:52,479
Speaker 5: that that's a loaded question.

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01:43:52,600 --> 01:43:56,040
Speaker 2: It's very loaded, very loaded. Yeah, I mean made way

2183
01:43:56,040 --> 01:43:58,240
Speaker 2: more loaded than the question about nipples. To be fair,

2184
01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:00,680
Speaker 2: it was wrapped up tighter too.

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01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:00,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, honestly, I I don't have too much information on

2187
01:44:04,760 --> 01:44:07,760
Speaker 5: the on the whole matter at all. I Uh, I've

2188
01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:10,280
Speaker 5: just been focusing on myself, focusing on the training, focusing

2189
01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:12,240
Speaker 5: on getting ready to fight something a week in a

2190
01:44:12,280 --> 01:44:16,280
Speaker 5: bit away, and and and and I don't really keep

2191
01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:17,960
Speaker 5: myself up to date with the news and everything like

2192
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:20,120
Speaker 5: that anyway. I kind of just hunker down in the

2193
01:44:20,200 --> 01:44:23,000
Speaker 5: room in the fort and just go on my way.

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Speaker 2: So really, I mean, are are you saying you know

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01:44:26,280 --> 01:44:28,560
Speaker 2: you're happy with with what you've accomplished and and the

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01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:31,639
Speaker 2: wage you're earning, and your you know, your battle is yours?

2197
01:44:31,680 --> 01:44:33,000
Speaker 2: Is that? What is that? How you start to look

2198
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:38,040
Speaker 2: at it? That's a mate, And we could go back

2199
01:44:38,040 --> 01:44:39,559
Speaker 2: to nipples. I didn't want to take you down this

2200
01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:45,880
Speaker 2: long if you don't want to be there. But Luke

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Speaker 2: for more on Israel out of Sonia is write nipple.

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01:44:48,520 --> 01:44:50,360
Speaker 2: You can check that out at YouTube dot com slash

2203
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:51,680
Speaker 2: Morning Coming. So why do I put why do I

2204
01:44:51,680 --> 01:44:56,320
Speaker 2: throw that out there, Luke, Because like journalists asking fighters

2205
01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:59,760
Speaker 2: about it isn't going to go away, But like journalists

2206
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:03,920
Speaker 2: talk about it is really the ceiling of our responsibility.

2207
01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:07,120
Speaker 2: So it was fun. I saw the response to me

2208
01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:09,719
Speaker 2: asking those questions in a quick look at the comments

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01:45:09,720 --> 01:45:12,920
Speaker 2: to be completely polarizing of people saying, damn, those fighters

2210
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:15,080
Speaker 2: have no idea how to help themselves. They completely just

2211
01:45:15,160 --> 01:45:18,479
Speaker 2: bricked in froze when asked about it and acted dumb.

2212
01:45:18,520 --> 01:45:19,880
Speaker 2: And then you get the other half of you know,

2213
01:45:20,280 --> 01:45:23,559
Speaker 2: why is BC you know, hell wanying this as or

2214
01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:28,480
Speaker 2: as it may be. Dude, what is the responsibility?

2215
01:45:29,160 --> 01:45:31,760
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Here's the thing, Like your questions were

2216
01:45:33,120 --> 01:45:35,839
Speaker 1: in terms of like how justified? Were they utterly justified?

2217
01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:38,800
Speaker 1: There's a couple things I think to keep in mind. Right,

2218
01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:41,040
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, Like, dude, it's not the media's job

2219
01:45:41,120 --> 01:45:43,840
Speaker 1: to file a lawsuit for the fighters for pay. It's

2220
01:45:43,880 --> 01:45:45,360
Speaker 1: not the job of us to go to the Hill

2221
01:45:45,400 --> 01:45:47,800
Speaker 1: and lobby for the ALI Act. It's not our job

2222
01:45:47,880 --> 01:45:50,559
Speaker 1: to you know, whip up support for a union and vote.

2223
01:45:50,640 --> 01:45:53,439
Speaker 1: That's that's up to them. We can't take that path

2224
01:45:53,479 --> 01:45:55,160
Speaker 1: for them at whatever one they want to take it.

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01:45:55,240 --> 01:45:56,439
Speaker 1: It's up to them. I don't know what the right

2226
01:45:56,479 --> 01:45:59,120
Speaker 1: answer is. They have to decide for themselves. Our job

2227
01:45:59,160 --> 01:46:00,599
Speaker 1: is to talk about it, and as long as it's

2228
01:46:00,600 --> 01:46:02,759
Speaker 1: a relevant issue, which it will be for the foreseeable future,

2229
01:46:02,760 --> 01:46:06,080
Speaker 1: we will. However, at some point, you know, while the

2230
01:46:06,120 --> 01:46:08,519
Speaker 1: fans don't, the fans don't have the right to say

2231
01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:10,599
Speaker 1: because we don't like a question, you should take it out.

2232
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:14,080
Speaker 1: But you also have to recognize at some point you

2233
01:46:14,160 --> 01:46:18,000
Speaker 1: may not be spending your time, most valuably going to

2234
01:46:18,120 --> 01:46:21,479
Speaker 1: those questions with every single fighter, including even elite ones,

2235
01:46:21,479 --> 01:46:23,120
Speaker 1: because a lot of them are going to be in

2236
01:46:23,120 --> 01:46:25,280
Speaker 1: a position where they don't want to change anything for

2237
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:28,960
Speaker 1: fear of changing how they're paid and security and everything else.

2238
01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:31,160
Speaker 1: So you just kind of have to ask yourself, is

2239
01:46:31,200 --> 01:46:33,599
Speaker 1: it worth it every time? But is it a fair question?

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Speaker 1: It's totally fair?

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01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:39,000
Speaker 2: I well, you know, I certainly believe it's fair. But

2242
01:46:39,120 --> 01:46:41,679
Speaker 2: I also understand the relationship between the two is why,

2243
01:46:41,720 --> 01:46:43,960
Speaker 2: like you know, media and fighters should be cordial, but

2244
01:46:44,040 --> 01:46:46,880
Speaker 2: not you know, friends or best friends or whatever, because

2245
01:46:47,200 --> 01:46:49,879
Speaker 2: it's our job to create clicks. That's a current headline

2246
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:53,840
Speaker 2: right now. But I just wonder what their role right now,

2247
01:46:54,040 --> 01:46:56,519
Speaker 2: given that opportunity, whether it's interviewing with me or whoever,

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01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:01,200
Speaker 2: what their role should be using that plasfor Because look, look,

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01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:02,760
Speaker 2: if there was a you know, something going on at

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Speaker 2: showtime with a big name person, we wouldn't want to

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01:47:06,520 --> 01:47:08,639
Speaker 2: probably or be you know, it wouldn't be a good

2252
01:47:08,680 --> 01:47:11,000
Speaker 2: look to air that. I'll publicly and debate that. So

2253
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:12,920
Speaker 2: I get you're not gonna just take that mic and

2254
01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:16,920
Speaker 2: go yeah, you know what, f Daana and Gon, Who's right? Well,

2255
01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:19,280
Speaker 2: you do have an opportunity to say something.

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01:47:21,080 --> 01:47:24,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless you're really unless you're really committed to the

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01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:26,840
Speaker 1: cause and the way that Goanu has made himself. And

2258
01:47:26,840 --> 01:47:29,280
Speaker 1: that's a choice that he made here. This is the

2259
01:47:29,280 --> 01:47:31,960
Speaker 1: reason why a lot of fighters don't. They don't because

2260
01:47:32,360 --> 01:47:34,960
Speaker 1: they feel like they're going to get themselves in trouble

2261
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:39,360
Speaker 1: if they do. They feel like they're going to create

2262
01:47:39,479 --> 01:47:42,200
Speaker 1: issues with the matchmakers, especially like right now where he's

2263
01:47:42,240 --> 01:47:43,720
Speaker 1: on the cusp of a title shot. Does he really

2264
01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:46,360
Speaker 1: want to rock the boat in one of these scenarios.

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01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:48,120
Speaker 1: I grant that he's already kind of at the at

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01:47:48,120 --> 01:47:50,280
Speaker 1: the precipice of having some leverage. But a lot of

2267
01:47:50,280 --> 01:47:52,439
Speaker 1: these guys, it really is the way that they are.

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01:47:53,400 --> 01:47:57,080
Speaker 1: Here's the thing is John Jones, for example, poor, He's

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01:47:57,120 --> 01:47:57,760
Speaker 1: not there.

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Speaker 2: We go, Luke, We're back to you, You're back there.

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01:47:59,439 --> 01:48:02,080
Speaker 1: I don't know how he's not poor by any stretch

2272
01:48:02,080 --> 01:48:04,080
Speaker 1: of the imagination. The argument would be he just didn't

2273
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:05,800
Speaker 1: get paid what he was supposed to. But it's not poor.

2274
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:07,639
Speaker 1: So I think a lot of these guys, these elite

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01:48:07,640 --> 01:48:11,240
Speaker 1: guys like Robert Whitaker, they're not making bad money relative

2276
01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:12,840
Speaker 1: to the rest of the population. They're going to be

2277
01:48:12,880 --> 01:48:15,480
Speaker 1: in the top one percent in terms of overall earnings.

2278
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:17,639
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of them are like best

2279
01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:21,120
Speaker 1: leave well enough alone. For a guy like Francis and Ghana,

2280
01:48:21,120 --> 01:48:23,639
Speaker 1: who's got a different sensibility and a different perspective, that's

2281
01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:26,680
Speaker 1: not enough for him. But I can understand how fighters

2282
01:48:26,840 --> 01:48:28,360
Speaker 1: arrive in both perspectives.

2283
01:48:28,360 --> 01:48:31,000
Speaker 2: I mean, the difference between if there was something going

2284
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:32,840
Speaker 2: on in this, you know, in our own companies and

2285
01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:34,920
Speaker 2: we it just wouldn't be good pr to talk about

2286
01:48:34,920 --> 01:48:40,640
Speaker 2: it is. This affects them so much. So it's like

2287
01:48:42,120 --> 01:48:42,959
Speaker 2: all the way people.

2288
01:48:42,720 --> 01:48:44,360
Speaker 1: Have asked, like what about you guys. Well, first of all,

2289
01:48:44,439 --> 01:48:47,120
Speaker 1: me and BC are employees. We have protections if we

2290
01:48:47,160 --> 01:48:50,599
Speaker 1: want number one, and that the fighters don't. And number two,

2291
01:48:51,240 --> 01:48:53,479
Speaker 1: BC and I know exactly what we make. We've told

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01:48:53,479 --> 01:48:55,160
Speaker 1: each other and we've used it as a way to

2293
01:48:55,160 --> 01:48:57,000
Speaker 1: make sure that we get maximum amount of money. Like

2294
01:48:57,600 --> 01:48:59,519
Speaker 1: BC knows what my paychecks look like, and for the

2295
01:48:59,560 --> 01:49:03,519
Speaker 1: most part, vice versa. And that really helped both of

2296
01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:05,439
Speaker 1: us get a sense of how much we should ask

2297
01:49:05,439 --> 01:49:07,519
Speaker 1: for and how much we should get. So like, do

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01:49:07,560 --> 01:49:09,760
Speaker 1: we do that? By the way, any other media member

2299
01:49:09,800 --> 01:49:11,519
Speaker 1: wants to know what I make, I'm happy to tell them,

2300
01:49:11,560 --> 01:49:13,080
Speaker 1: like you should know those things.

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01:49:13,400 --> 01:49:17,640
Speaker 2: I just I just can't see those responses being the

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01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:19,800
Speaker 2: best move. There's got to be a middle ground where

2303
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:23,160
Speaker 2: you don't meddle and don't get yourself in trouble, but

2304
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:26,920
Speaker 2: you also stand up firm for your profession and what

2305
01:49:27,120 --> 01:49:29,040
Speaker 2: is going on right now? And I mean, would it

2306
01:49:29,120 --> 01:49:32,200
Speaker 2: kill them? I mean does what's the blowback for saying?

2307
01:49:32,200 --> 01:49:34,360
Speaker 2: You know what? There's a brave move by Francis. He's

2308
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:36,920
Speaker 2: walking his own path, but we all understand it and

2309
01:49:36,920 --> 01:49:37,760
Speaker 2: we all support him.

2310
01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:40,519
Speaker 1: Is that maybe there is or there isn't it's for

2311
01:49:40,600 --> 01:49:43,600
Speaker 1: something that innocuous. But dude, the UFC, you know, in

2312
01:49:43,680 --> 01:49:46,840
Speaker 1: data like these guys. You know, it's amazing that they're

2313
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:51,120
Speaker 1: very pro Oh we're big free speech guys, but they're not.

2314
01:49:51,400 --> 01:49:54,519
Speaker 1: They don't like media reports about things they do critically,

2315
01:49:54,600 --> 01:49:58,839
Speaker 1: and they're very very aggressive either about in certain cases

2316
01:49:59,240 --> 01:50:03,000
Speaker 1: trying to undercut those reports or to make sure those

2317
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:07,200
Speaker 1: reports like that never happen. And they lean on fighters

2318
01:50:07,240 --> 01:50:11,640
Speaker 1: to you know, uh, carry the companies or repeat their

2319
01:50:11,680 --> 01:50:15,559
Speaker 1: talking points or whatever. So I understand why they might feel.

2320
01:50:15,560 --> 01:50:17,160
Speaker 1: And also we talked about it before, a guy like

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01:50:17,200 --> 01:50:18,960
Speaker 1: Robert Whitaker. Dude, you do have to get to fight

2322
01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:22,160
Speaker 1: fucking Odi Sonia in a week whatever the money. I mean,

2323
01:50:22,200 --> 01:50:24,360
Speaker 1: you got a focus man, you got He did the

2324
01:50:24,400 --> 01:50:25,280
Speaker 1: right thing, I think.

2325
01:50:25,120 --> 01:50:27,479
Speaker 2: And it's not me trying to trap him too, saying accidental.

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01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:29,120
Speaker 2: I just think as long as that's still gonna be

2327
01:50:29,240 --> 01:50:30,840
Speaker 2: a headline, it's our job to ask it and they

2328
01:50:30,840 --> 01:50:33,640
Speaker 2: can take it wherever they want. It's just interesting. I

2329
01:50:33,640 --> 01:50:36,439
Speaker 2: think the responsibility of both sides how far you should go.

2330
01:50:36,680 --> 01:50:40,599
Speaker 2: But you know, whatever it's, it's news. It'll be here

2331
01:50:40,600 --> 01:50:42,439
Speaker 2: and gone tomorrow if nothing happens Luke.

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01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:45,200
Speaker 1: So well, I'm definitely glad that you pitched people watching

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01:50:45,200 --> 01:50:47,839
Speaker 1: your interviews on questions no one wanted to answer.

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01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:52,680
Speaker 2: There's others that they did answer. I swear, Okay, yeah,

2335
01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:56,320
Speaker 2: I mean, Derek Lewis. It's a while. It's a wild chat,

2336
01:50:56,320 --> 01:50:57,679
Speaker 2: as you as you could expect.

2337
01:50:57,680 --> 01:51:00,280
Speaker 1: Okay, let's end the show here and then we don't

2338
01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:02,320
Speaker 1: have to say necessarily a whole lot about it, but

2339
01:51:02,360 --> 01:51:04,719
Speaker 1: it is worth at least bringing up that UFC commentator.

2340
01:51:04,760 --> 01:51:07,519
Speaker 1: Certainly he is much more than that. Joe Rogan has

2341
01:51:07,560 --> 01:51:11,200
Speaker 1: been embroiled in controversy starting at some point on the weekend.

2342
01:51:11,240 --> 01:51:13,439
Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly when I saw it, but it

2343
01:51:13,479 --> 01:51:15,960
Speaker 1: basically follows along well, it's more than this, but the

2344
01:51:16,040 --> 01:51:19,720
Speaker 1: current controversy follows along two lines. One, there was a

2345
01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:22,760
Speaker 1: series of episodes, I think twenty or so where he

2346
01:51:22,840 --> 01:51:25,360
Speaker 1: had used the N word. You could decide for yourself

2347
01:51:25,360 --> 01:51:27,479
Speaker 1: whether the context of that he wasn't in any way

2348
01:51:27,479 --> 01:51:29,840
Speaker 1: calling someone that, But you know, there's a debate about

2349
01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:33,200
Speaker 1: whether or not those kinds of using that as appropriate

2350
01:51:33,280 --> 01:51:34,680
Speaker 1: or not. You can decide for yourself. And then the

2351
01:51:34,720 --> 01:51:36,760
Speaker 1: other one was a little bit less ambiguous, which he

2352
01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:39,840
Speaker 1: did apologize for actually a lot less ambiguous, not ambiguous

2353
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:41,560
Speaker 1: at all when he made a joke about Planet of

2354
01:51:41,560 --> 01:51:43,920
Speaker 1: the Apes building being in a black Philly neighborhood. That's

2355
01:51:43,960 --> 01:51:46,520
Speaker 1: sort of like the straight up racist which he acknowledged

2356
01:51:46,520 --> 01:51:49,120
Speaker 1: as much and had apologized for. But there's a larger

2357
01:51:49,160 --> 01:51:54,000
Speaker 1: controversy about what Spotify might do. There was a letter

2358
01:51:54,040 --> 01:51:57,479
Speaker 1: written last night from Spotify's CEO to the employees, basically

2359
01:51:57,479 --> 01:52:00,280
Speaker 1: doubling down that they're not going to remove him. Could

2360
01:52:00,320 --> 01:52:04,080
Speaker 1: never imagine Dana White under these scenarios, Nor is anyone

2361
01:52:04,160 --> 01:52:06,360
Speaker 1: I think in the NIMA space at all advocating for it.

2362
01:52:06,360 --> 01:52:08,519
Speaker 1: I'm just pointing out that, you know, I don't think

2363
01:52:08,520 --> 01:52:12,000
Speaker 1: this will have any effect on his UFC position BC.

2364
01:52:12,240 --> 01:52:14,040
Speaker 1: But is there anything more to the story that you

2365
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:14,759
Speaker 1: wanted to say?

2366
01:52:15,200 --> 01:52:17,160
Speaker 2: I think two Ki's got something to say about this.

2367
01:52:17,720 --> 01:52:21,599
Speaker 1: She's watching. Could you guess what movie? I can tell

2368
01:52:21,600 --> 01:52:24,280
Speaker 1: you what scene she's shouting. Can you guess what movie

2369
01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:24,840
Speaker 1: she's watching?

2370
01:52:25,400 --> 01:52:27,720
Speaker 2: Maybe Texas Chainsaw Massacre based on.

2371
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:31,200
Speaker 1: Her close close. No, it's in conto. It's in conto,

2372
01:52:31,320 --> 01:52:33,840
Speaker 1: and it's the opening scene during laf Emilia mat Degaal.

2373
01:52:33,920 --> 01:52:36,360
Speaker 2: What I like, I'm at forty eight watches. I just

2374
01:52:36,439 --> 01:52:40,599
Speaker 2: need one. And isn't that what Malcolm Gladwell said about Luke?

2375
01:52:40,960 --> 01:52:43,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, ten thousand hours, Yes, because she could write in

2376
01:52:43,479 --> 01:52:45,400
Speaker 1: Kanto at this point. And at the end of the

2377
01:52:45,439 --> 01:52:48,439
Speaker 1: first song the the La Familia made the diga song.

2378
01:52:48,840 --> 01:52:50,600
Speaker 1: There she sings a bunch of stuff and then the

2379
01:52:50,680 --> 01:52:54,080
Speaker 1: kids go what about Mirabel? And then she's shouting.

2380
01:52:54,600 --> 01:52:57,280
Speaker 2: Luke in all seriousness, It's it's a loaded topic. It's

2381
01:52:57,680 --> 01:53:01,200
Speaker 2: it's an interesting one because we all, we all fear

2382
01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:05,679
Speaker 2: the extent of what cancel culture becomes. We all also don't.

2383
01:53:06,640 --> 01:53:08,519
Speaker 2: It's tough. You don't want to you know. The video

2384
01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:11,240
Speaker 2: is pretty damning, right, and it's like how much can

2385
01:53:11,320 --> 01:53:14,519
Speaker 2: you create? How much can you hold against people for

2386
01:53:15,120 --> 01:53:18,439
Speaker 2: past since done? And you know, in certain senses, like

2387
01:53:18,479 --> 01:53:20,559
Speaker 2: a Bill Cosby situation, I guess you know you're not

2388
01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:23,760
Speaker 2: getting a lot of outrage in that regard or or

2389
01:53:23,800 --> 01:53:27,000
Speaker 2: anything else related to that. But in this case, it's like,

2390
01:53:28,479 --> 01:53:31,000
Speaker 2: what should your reaction be? He shouldn't let me ask,

2391
01:53:31,040 --> 01:53:34,400
Speaker 2: You should be fired or yanked in my opinion, by

2392
01:53:34,439 --> 01:53:37,000
Speaker 2: any circumstance. And I think I fear a little bit

2393
01:53:37,080 --> 01:53:41,120
Speaker 2: more where that can go. If it gets too aggressive

2394
01:53:41,120 --> 01:53:41,679
Speaker 2: that those let.

2395
01:53:41,560 --> 01:53:43,040
Speaker 1: Me let me say a couple let me stay a

2396
01:53:43,040 --> 01:53:45,400
Speaker 1: couple of things. I don't in any way know Joe

2397
01:53:45,479 --> 01:53:48,920
Speaker 1: Rogan like as a friend. We've texted back and forth.

2398
01:53:49,000 --> 01:53:50,840
Speaker 1: As you know, I had had the opportunity to be

2399
01:53:50,840 --> 01:53:53,120
Speaker 1: a guest one time on his show. We talked there.

2400
01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:58,559
Speaker 1: I found him completely pleasant, fun frankly to be around.

2401
01:53:58,560 --> 01:54:01,719
Speaker 1: He put me at ease because I was nervous, and

2402
01:54:02,760 --> 01:54:05,280
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed the opportunity I had to do that

2403
01:54:05,320 --> 01:54:07,000
Speaker 1: so that I would say that, you know, whatever extent

2404
01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:12,600
Speaker 1: I've had with him has been utterly phenomenal. Actually, I

2405
01:54:12,640 --> 01:54:16,040
Speaker 1: actually feel like, you know, I don't think the Spotify

2406
01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:18,600
Speaker 1: CEO is going to take anything down, and I have

2407
01:54:18,680 --> 01:54:21,160
Speaker 1: not noticed anyone in MMA is suggesting as much, nor

2408
01:54:21,160 --> 01:54:22,920
Speaker 1: would I advocate for it. In fact, what I would

2409
01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:26,320
Speaker 1: argue is taking down Joe Rogan chill. If it ever

2410
01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:28,960
Speaker 1: came to that Spotify CEO ever bent to that pressure,

2411
01:54:29,040 --> 01:54:32,600
Speaker 1: that would be very very bad, very very bad. Yeah.

2412
01:54:33,040 --> 01:54:36,560
Speaker 1: For two reasons too, more than two reasons. Two big reasons.

2413
01:54:36,640 --> 01:54:39,880
Speaker 1: One for a tech oligarch to bend to what is

2414
01:54:39,960 --> 01:54:42,600
Speaker 1: officially now White House pressure because the government has gotten

2415
01:54:42,600 --> 01:54:47,880
Speaker 1: involved about their you know, their version of COVID concerns

2416
01:54:48,120 --> 01:54:50,080
Speaker 1: and what Joe Rogan may or may not be saying.

2417
01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:54,400
Speaker 1: When the state and then corporations are aligned together, you

2418
01:54:54,480 --> 01:54:57,600
Speaker 1: get really really bad things. And the flow of information

2419
01:54:57,720 --> 01:55:01,200
Speaker 1: is important in society. And I would argue that if

2420
01:55:01,240 --> 01:55:04,200
Speaker 1: you take down his podcast, because where reasons you think

2421
01:55:04,240 --> 01:55:06,880
Speaker 1: are exist there, you are not going to get rid

2422
01:55:06,920 --> 01:55:09,600
Speaker 1: of his audience, but you are going to radicalize every

2423
01:55:09,840 --> 01:55:14,520
Speaker 1: one of them into never ever trusting any mainstream media

2424
01:55:14,680 --> 01:55:17,880
Speaker 1: organ or major corporation that has any say over the

2425
01:55:17,880 --> 01:55:21,040
Speaker 1: flow of information ever again. And they might be right

2426
01:55:21,120 --> 01:55:24,520
Speaker 1: to be skeptical that it would be a disaster. More

2427
01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:26,920
Speaker 1: to the point on top of it is what I

2428
01:55:26,960 --> 01:55:31,280
Speaker 1: would say is if you want to convince Joe Rogan's

2429
01:55:31,320 --> 01:55:35,160
Speaker 1: audience to think differently than you would than they have been,

2430
01:55:35,280 --> 01:55:37,920
Speaker 1: or how you presume that to think, you cannot take

2431
01:55:38,040 --> 01:55:40,720
Speaker 1: Joe's show away and think you've won the argument. You

2432
01:55:40,720 --> 01:55:43,960
Speaker 1: haven't even had an argument. If you want to convince them,

2433
01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:47,560
Speaker 1: that's what you have to do. You have to convince

2434
01:55:47,640 --> 01:55:51,640
Speaker 1: them not take away the Joe Rogan podcast, and then

2435
01:55:51,720 --> 01:55:54,320
Speaker 1: expect that all of these ideas that you hold sacred

2436
01:55:54,680 --> 01:55:56,920
Speaker 1: will all of a sudden just be bought wholesale. The

2437
01:55:56,960 --> 01:55:59,480
Speaker 1: reason why Joe Rogan is as popular as he is

2438
01:55:59,480 --> 01:56:01,760
Speaker 1: is I would argu you won. He has been a

2439
01:56:01,960 --> 01:56:05,440
Speaker 1: very strong advocate for sharing perspectives that do not get

2440
01:56:05,480 --> 01:56:08,680
Speaker 1: put in mainstream media, not all the time ones I

2441
01:56:08,720 --> 01:56:11,000
Speaker 1: agree with. I don't agree with hardly anything he said

2442
01:56:11,000 --> 01:56:13,280
Speaker 1: about COVID or any of the guests he's had about COVID.

2443
01:56:13,280 --> 01:56:16,919
Speaker 1: But at the same time I can recognize that, for example,

2444
01:56:17,040 --> 01:56:21,120
Speaker 1: people that I like politically, Bernie Sanders, Kyle Kolinski, you

2445
01:56:21,160 --> 01:56:23,280
Speaker 1: know where, you don't see them. You don't see him

2446
01:56:23,320 --> 01:56:26,320
Speaker 1: on CNN, you don't see him on MSNBC. You see

2447
01:56:26,320 --> 01:56:28,680
Speaker 1: them on YouTube, and a guy like Joe Rogan has

2448
01:56:28,680 --> 01:56:30,600
Speaker 1: done a lot to signal boost them. These are not

2449
01:56:30,680 --> 01:56:33,400
Speaker 1: possible without the kind of work he has done. So

2450
01:56:34,560 --> 01:56:38,040
Speaker 1: in addition to just radicalizing young his young viewers, all

2451
01:56:38,080 --> 01:56:42,480
Speaker 1: of them, in addition to creating distrust with tech monopolies

2452
01:56:42,480 --> 01:56:45,440
Speaker 1: and corporate media, and to say nothing of the fact

2453
01:56:45,480 --> 01:56:47,400
Speaker 1: of how dangerous it would be to say that they

2454
01:56:47,400 --> 01:56:50,000
Speaker 1: could control the flows of information. It would be a

2455
01:56:50,200 --> 01:56:53,120
Speaker 1: horrific idea to take it down. What I will say, though,

2456
01:56:53,120 --> 01:56:54,640
Speaker 1: OBC and I do think it needs to be said,

2457
01:56:55,000 --> 01:56:56,720
Speaker 1: and if Joe ever asked me to tell him this

2458
01:56:56,760 --> 01:56:58,400
Speaker 1: face to face, I would say it because I don't

2459
01:56:58,400 --> 01:57:01,880
Speaker 1: have any malice Joe Rogan. This podcast is eminently successful

2460
01:57:01,880 --> 01:57:04,560
Speaker 1: for very good reasons, because not only do people trust

2461
01:57:04,600 --> 01:57:06,960
Speaker 1: him for a lot of ways, but on top of that,

2462
01:57:07,240 --> 01:57:09,280
Speaker 1: I think he has been for a lot of people,

2463
01:57:09,320 --> 01:57:11,720
Speaker 1: a lot of young men in particular, the kind of

2464
01:57:11,800 --> 01:57:15,640
Speaker 1: conduit to interesting and broader ideas in the public, whether

2465
01:57:15,680 --> 01:57:18,440
Speaker 1: it's about By the Way, space exploration or in certain cases,

2466
01:57:18,440 --> 01:57:21,840
Speaker 1: even before the pandemic infectious diseases, Native American history, he

2467
01:57:21,880 --> 01:57:27,240
Speaker 1: has on Palestinian authors that are people who have written

2468
01:57:27,240 --> 01:57:29,960
Speaker 1: about Palestinian causes who I value greatly. You don't see

2469
01:57:29,960 --> 01:57:32,760
Speaker 1: any of that stuff in corporate media, and people know

2470
01:57:33,000 --> 01:57:35,160
Speaker 1: that they can trust him as a place to get

2471
01:57:35,200 --> 01:57:38,200
Speaker 1: this information that would otherwise not be available. That is

2472
01:57:38,280 --> 01:57:42,800
Speaker 1: extremely important and extremely valuable. But no podcast, including MK,

2473
01:57:43,200 --> 01:57:45,600
Speaker 1: is perfect, and it's hard to hear criticisms if I

2474
01:57:45,720 --> 01:57:49,040
Speaker 1: had one criticism, because no show is perfect, and I

2475
01:57:49,040 --> 01:57:51,160
Speaker 1: would say this to Joe. What I would say is

2476
01:57:51,240 --> 01:57:56,960
Speaker 1: what makes him interesting is his creative the creative possibilities

2477
01:57:56,960 --> 01:57:59,800
Speaker 1: that he pursues. He has so many different interests from

2478
01:58:00,280 --> 01:58:03,680
Speaker 1: hunting to of course MMA. But this huge, vast array

2479
01:58:03,680 --> 01:58:06,480
Speaker 1: of let me finish this point, this vast array in between.

2480
01:58:06,840 --> 01:58:09,160
Speaker 1: The argument that I would make is at times I

2481
01:58:09,320 --> 01:58:12,880
Speaker 1: don't feel like he's had enough guest curation at the

2482
01:58:12,920 --> 01:58:15,600
Speaker 1: front end to by the way, which would solve some

2483
01:58:15,640 --> 01:58:17,240
Speaker 1: of his own problems. Here's what I mean. It's not

2484
01:58:17,240 --> 01:58:21,160
Speaker 1: about left right, It's about quality conversations. Someone like Stefan

2485
01:58:21,280 --> 01:58:24,640
Speaker 1: Molineux should not have been on his show multiple times.

2486
01:58:24,720 --> 01:58:27,800
Speaker 1: Alex Berenson, who it might be the wrongest man on

2487
01:58:27,840 --> 01:58:29,960
Speaker 1: the internet in terms of anything Covid has been on

2488
01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:33,960
Speaker 1: his show multiple times. It's not the single conversation or

2489
01:58:34,000 --> 01:58:37,000
Speaker 1: trying to have a conversation with these folks that I mind.

2490
01:58:37,120 --> 01:58:40,720
Speaker 1: It's bringing back low quality whether whatever perspective you want

2491
01:58:40,760 --> 01:58:43,320
Speaker 1: to bring. These are not interesting people. They do not

2492
01:58:43,400 --> 01:58:45,400
Speaker 1: have smart things to say. In the case of Baronson,

2493
01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:48,880
Speaker 1: routinely wrong, matter of factly about any number of things.

2494
01:58:49,400 --> 01:58:51,760
Speaker 1: To me, it's to me, it's to me, it's last lessons.

2495
01:58:51,800 --> 01:58:54,400
Speaker 1: It's not the pursuit. It's a slight bit of the

2496
01:58:54,480 --> 01:58:56,600
Speaker 1: over pursuit that I think you could correct. And it's

2497
01:58:56,600 --> 01:58:58,600
Speaker 1: not the biggest portion of his audience, but it's one

2498
01:58:58,640 --> 01:58:59,600
Speaker 1: that would make a big difference.

2499
01:59:00,080 --> 01:59:03,320
Speaker 2: Get what you're saying, But he doesn't want to be

2500
01:59:03,360 --> 01:59:06,200
Speaker 2: a homogenized show that that serves everyone, Like, can't we

2501
01:59:06,280 --> 01:59:09,480
Speaker 2: just have voices? I think the real you know, people

2502
01:59:09,520 --> 01:59:11,320
Speaker 2: could be wrong. And I get that that it's right,

2503
01:59:11,560 --> 01:59:14,840
Speaker 2: it's there's it's a loaded weapon when people are spewing

2504
01:59:14,920 --> 01:59:19,640
Speaker 2: potentially false, you know, bad information. I get that, but

2505
01:59:19,760 --> 01:59:22,240
Speaker 2: I also believe in people can be you know, have

2506
01:59:22,280 --> 01:59:22,760
Speaker 2: the right.

2507
01:59:22,680 --> 01:59:23,160
Speaker 1: To be wrong.

2508
01:59:23,360 --> 01:59:25,800
Speaker 2: And it also and I I don't want to go

2509
01:59:25,840 --> 01:59:28,120
Speaker 2: away like it's abhorrent what he said. I just I

2510
01:59:28,160 --> 01:59:30,400
Speaker 2: look at this more as a as a debate of

2511
01:59:30,920 --> 01:59:33,720
Speaker 2: how much can you retroactively penalize people.

2512
01:59:33,600 --> 01:59:36,040
Speaker 1: For Well that's so that's the other part doing shit.

2513
01:59:35,960 --> 01:59:38,360
Speaker 2: That's not illegal, but that's not cool, Like it'll it

2514
01:59:38,880 --> 01:59:42,120
Speaker 2: could and and maybe should effect in moving forward in

2515
01:59:42,200 --> 01:59:44,560
Speaker 2: terms of sponsors that want to work with him or whatever.

2516
01:59:44,640 --> 01:59:45,640
Speaker 2: And it is what it is.

2517
01:59:45,680 --> 01:59:47,840
Speaker 1: But but here's the thing I'm not asking. I don't

2518
01:59:47,880 --> 01:59:50,800
Speaker 1: think no rational person can ask Joe to not do

2519
01:59:50,840 --> 01:59:53,520
Speaker 1: a show that he wants to do. Right, I'm not

2520
01:59:53,560 --> 01:59:55,600
Speaker 1: even saying don't book some of these guys. But what

2521
01:59:55,640 --> 01:59:58,120
Speaker 1: I am saying is, if you have them on multiple times,

2522
01:59:58,640 --> 02:00:01,800
Speaker 1: you are now making a claim, at least implicitly about

2523
02:00:01,800 --> 02:00:04,640
Speaker 1: the kind of value of information they provide, and you're

2524
02:00:04,680 --> 02:00:06,480
Speaker 1: going back to that well a number of times. I

2525
02:00:06,520 --> 02:00:09,040
Speaker 1: think that has been something of a mistake. He's even

2526
02:00:09,040 --> 02:00:11,600
Speaker 1: indicated by the way without naming names, like, for example,

2527
02:00:11,600 --> 02:00:13,720
Speaker 1: like how many times did Dave Rubin have to be

2528
02:00:13,720 --> 02:00:16,040
Speaker 1: on the show before you realize? And I think Joe

2529
02:00:16,040 --> 02:00:18,600
Speaker 1: did having this conversation with him about Amazon versus the

2530
02:00:18,640 --> 02:00:20,720
Speaker 1: Post Office. I mean, the guy is a fucking idiot.

2531
02:00:20,760 --> 02:00:24,240
Speaker 1: He doesn't have anything reasonably interesting to say at all,

2532
02:00:24,280 --> 02:00:27,080
Speaker 1: and there's been multiple times that a person like that

2533
02:00:27,280 --> 02:00:30,320
Speaker 1: got on. I'm not mad that he had doctors who

2534
02:00:30,400 --> 02:00:33,200
Speaker 1: challenged the prevailing public health narrative per se, even though

2535
02:00:33,240 --> 02:00:34,880
Speaker 1: I don't agree. I don't think that is in any

2536
02:00:34,920 --> 02:00:39,760
Speaker 1: way something that should be censured or whatnot. But you know,

2537
02:00:39,800 --> 02:00:42,440
Speaker 1: if we're going to say where like if you don't

2538
02:00:42,520 --> 02:00:44,440
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he doesn't want some of these problems,

2539
02:00:44,440 --> 02:00:46,880
Speaker 1: but if you curated away again, we're talking about a

2540
02:00:46,920 --> 02:00:50,520
Speaker 1: slight degree here, curated away from some of the overreach.

2541
02:00:50,640 --> 02:00:53,520
Speaker 1: I think that has happened, a lot of these criticisms

2542
02:00:53,560 --> 02:00:56,240
Speaker 1: would actually go away from the wider world, because it

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Speaker 1: is true that he shares a vast array of things

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Speaker 1: that can give it.

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Speaker 2: To the crux and the true fuel of the cancel movement,

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Speaker 2: which is because of the awful race.

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Speaker 1: Right. But everyone wants to make this strictly about a

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Speaker 1: cancel movement, and I guess what I'm asking more broadly

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Speaker 1: is do you think that one hundred percent this is

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Speaker 1: nothing more than that. I am perfectly willing to believe

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Speaker 1: it's majority even driven, there is an absolute hatchet job

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Speaker 1: element to this, no doubt about it. We're going to

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Speaker 1: really say that that's there's no criticism.

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Speaker 2: The fear is. The fear is shutting down, of course,

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Speaker 2: you know, dude, But go against them, not only the

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Speaker 2: mainstream but the corporate overlords.

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Speaker 1: Of no doubt about it, Like that would be horrible

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Speaker 1: for them to get their way, really really bad. I'm

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Speaker 1: not in any way whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: So he had job on six times instead of five,

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Speaker 2: like nobody really care, Like okay, it's fine, like you

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Speaker 2: might think, UFO, it's not.

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Speaker 1: About it is easy. It is easy to do a

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Speaker 1: boring show. It is hard to do a popular show,

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Speaker 1: and there are going to be times over the course

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Speaker 1: of the life of a show where you can make choices. Dude,

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Speaker 1: it's you can have Colby on and MMA all the time.

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Speaker 1: You can have the most outrageous people and all the time,

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Speaker 1: and it will work for you as a means of

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Speaker 1: getting attention. That's sort of a very direct way of

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Speaker 1: putting it. But I mean to say, there is an argument,

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Speaker 1: not so much for the worldview to be challenged by

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Speaker 1: Joe because it's his podcast, but if you do care

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Speaker 1: about quality information, if you do care about quality speakers

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Speaker 1: who have real credentials and real backgrounds, Yes, deciding who

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Speaker 1: is right and wrong can actually be kind of complex.

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Speaker 1: That's why you want to have debates when you go

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Speaker 1: back to guys that have demonstrable problems as merchants of

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Speaker 1: the truth. That's an issue for me. I think that

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Speaker 1: should be kind of curtell a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Not to your point, says hard to say your co

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Speaker 2: host name on the air, Like is it really that hard?

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Speaker 1: It was, I admit something that you won't let go of.

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Speaker 1: But to your other point, I am a complete agreement

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Speaker 1: with you, Like you know, the these like stars coming

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Speaker 1: out and being like, well, now that I've I've learned more,

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Speaker 1: I feel I want to distance myself from Joe, Like

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Speaker 1: these are people that had perfectly enlightened racial views from

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Speaker 1: day one. Ye all of them, it turns out, afterwards,

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Speaker 1: have said shit just as bad, if not, matter of

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Speaker 1: factly worse. You know, I found that moral preening to

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Speaker 1: be kind of growth.

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Speaker 2: Keep debating you, but I do have to pee my pants.

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Speaker 2: It is. It's a reality.

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Speaker 1: If I'm just pointing out, I'm just pointing out, I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of this is really wrong, and I'm

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Speaker 1: kind of worried about where it's headed. But the idea

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Speaker 1: that there's no criticism to make to me seems a

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Speaker 1: little foolish. Okay, we're out of here for that. BC

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