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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 1: It is two the October twenty second, twenty seventh I'm Sorry,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, season sixteen, episode number fifty two. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the latest edition of The Break. We are alive from

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Speaker 1: the s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star. We've got

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Speaker 1: Nick amber Gave, and we are gonna get honest with

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Speaker 1: you guys today. We're gonna talk about this team and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna hit a lot of different topics. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about the coaching, We're gonna talk about the defense,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about special teams. We're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: a little bit of everything on this show. And so

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Speaker 1: I want to start first though, with Jerry Jones. He

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Speaker 1: had his weekly or one of his weekly sit downs

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Speaker 1: with the folks from one or five out three the

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Speaker 1: fan here locally in Dallas Sean and RJ's show in

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Speaker 1: the morning and had some interesting things to say. The

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Speaker 1: funniest part though, obviously, and I know this is for

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Speaker 1: those of you that that follow a lot of the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys beat writers on social media. I'm sure you've heard

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Speaker 1: by now that Jerry had a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: moment where he's he was a little upset, a little frustrated,

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Speaker 1: and even though admitted at the end he's a little

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Speaker 1: upset and frustrated, but but you know, it kind of

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Speaker 1: came out boiled over a little bit there with some

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Speaker 1: of the questioning. But I want to start first with

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Speaker 1: a question that Jerry was asked where he kind of volunteered.

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Speaker 1: They were talking about the run defense, and he volunteered

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Speaker 1: that there will be some personnel changes, and so let's

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Speaker 1: start looking at it from that standpoint. First, we know

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Speaker 1: they're problems for this team all year stopping the run. Nick,

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Speaker 1: what do you think or who do you think maybe

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Speaker 1: be some of the targets these personnel changes. Well, just

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Speaker 1: like you said, I mean, he was answering the question

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Speaker 1: and that's you know, basic football, one on one right there.

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Speaker 1: Then he said there will be some personnel changes, so

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Speaker 1: you know, you'd like to think it's going to start

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Speaker 1: He also was asked later about specifically ever since Griffin,

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Speaker 1: those together and think that Dontari Po is probably not

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Speaker 1: So my personnel, are you specially when we're talking about players, yes?

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Speaker 1: Or is any coaching involved here? When I hear personnel,

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Speaker 1: very confusing. I wish that would be more a little

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Speaker 1: Who would you want to change? And I post this

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Speaker 1: guy could you cut that would make your team better

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Speaker 1: the right move would be at this point, Dave, I'm

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Speaker 1: let me ask you this question. At whatever point Sean

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Speaker 1: a problem. You probably exacerbate that issue, you know. I

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Speaker 1: mean that's just as big of a part of it

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Speaker 1: but that's not That's not the whole issue for sure,

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Speaker 1: Nick Well, I mean, you can you can do that.

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Speaker 1: And I still don't think Jayalen Smith is is the

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Speaker 1: But the ego, it isn't just about the player's ego.

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Speaker 1: It's the coach and the and the GM's ego that

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Speaker 1: are currently out on injury. That's a lot. Is it

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Speaker 1: I can think of, not all I can think of

427
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 1: when we talk about this is like through the spring

428
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,400
Speaker 1: and summer, when guys were saying, like, we're gonna disguise

429
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,159
Speaker 1: more stuff. You know, the last guys just rolled the

430
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 1: ball out there and it was straightforward and we do

431
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 1: what we do, and like you can take advantage of that.

432
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: So like, teams aren't going to know what's coming this

433
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,880
Speaker 1: time around, and we're gonna be better for it. So

434
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 1: don't come at me like all of a sudden it's

435
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,640
Speaker 1: terrible because it's not working and by the way, Rod

436
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,199
Speaker 1: Marinelli was fiery. Chris Richard was even more fiery, And

437
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 1: all of this crap happened to him last year. It

438
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: didn't happen as frequently as it's happening this year, but

439
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: it still happened. Um, Robbie Anderson, New York Jets, anybody,

440
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,679
Speaker 1: Yeah this year, Dave, they're they're historically bad. No, no, no,

441
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: different than they're so they they are so much worse,

442
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: I understand, but these problems were still there. Like you

443
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: had your your linebacker play regressed, your defensive line didn't

444
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 1: make as much of an impact as you preferred, the

445
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: secondary was not great, and they are much worse this year.

446
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: But these problems were manifesting themselves under Rod Marinelli as well.

447
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: And on top of that, in Rod Marinelli's tenure, I think,

448
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's obviously, he's a great coach. I

449
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 1: love talking to him. He's a super nice guy. But

450
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 1: they fielded like one above average defense during his time here,

451
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 1: So I'm not trying to hear that. I just don't

452
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: think these guys are adapting as well. I don't think

453
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: these guys are adapting as well to what Nolan's asking

454
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 1: him to do, and I don't think Nolan's adapting very

455
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: well to them not adapting. So that's pretty much where

456
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: I'm at. But I don't think Rod Marinelli's defense is

457
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: like a cure all by any means that Nick, I mean,

458
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 1: Jeff Heath, I think that. I think he's been missed

459
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 1: for sure. But that's that's one of the things I

460
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 1: take a little exception to because the way they're using

461
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: him in Las Vegas is different than how they were

462
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: using him here. He's not a starter there. He's a

463
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 1: rotational guy, which I think if they were going to

464
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 1: use him as a rotational guy here, great, I don't

465
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 1: think he's an every down starter. Well are you saying

466
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: they miss him as a starter or they missed him

467
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 1: just being on the team. Well, I've seen Steven Parker

468
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: have to play safety and Donovan Wilson, So yeah, he's

469
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Speaker 1: a starter here. He would be a starter, and he'd

470
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 1: be a good starter here. You can't tell me that, Donovan.

471
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 1: I don't think he's but I don't think he's been

472
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: a good starter than the years he's been here, So

473
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna expect he'd be a good

474
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 1: starter now. He'd be a part of all the stuff

475
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 1: that's going wrong. I think I don't agree with that.

476
00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 1: He would be way better than what you have. I mean,

477
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: he wasn't a great player, but he would be way

478
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: better than than this. And for for him to make

479
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: three million a year, I mean they're paying they're paying

480
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: worthy a million and a half. I mean, like they

481
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: could have they could have kept him here, and I

482
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: think I think in hindsight, yeah, it would have been better.

483
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: I would have I would have us two last year.

484
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 1: I mean, like that jet skin, that was his work too.

485
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 1: I mean that's all I'm saying is I don't think

486
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 1: he is. You're right, he probably if you just say

487
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: play for play, he's better. If you want to grade him,

488
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 1: then maybe what they have right now, I don't think

489
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: it makes a difference at the point where his deference

490
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: looks different. If he's on the team, well, he would

491
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: have been a better I think he would have been

492
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: better than resigning Darian Thompson or resigning or even signing haha.

493
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: I mean I would have rather signed him, you know.

494
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,959
Speaker 1: I mean that's just one of them. Quinn. I mean

495
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 1: that that they miss him big time. They miss Byron. Yeah,

496
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: which I didn't expect him to miss him as much. Well,

497
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: the only thing you could do there is just just

498
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: know that CD's gonna fall to you. If you know

499
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: CD's gonna fall to you, then go ahead and do it,

500
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: and don't don't resign let him Mari, go let himri

501
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: Goo and and then and then franchise Byron Jones and

502
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 1: then he then he CV falls in your lap. But

503
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: it doesn't work that one. Yea. At this point, if

504
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: there was any one of those guys, any of those

505
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 1: players that you could have back, is it Byron across

506
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: the board? Well, like without even thinking about it. Yeah,

507
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you're always gonna take the seventeen million guy

508
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: over all the others because they don't even combine the

509
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: seventeen million a year. So yeah, you take him. But

510
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: but I mean, and he's been missed big time. Quinn's

511
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: been missed, Lee Collins been missed, Jeff He's been missed.

512
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 1: All those guys have been missed. Yeah. I wonder how

513
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 1: much difference Malie Collins would make, because I don't know

514
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: that I necessarily saw Malie get pushed around a lot.

515
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 1: I don't think he made enough plays for people. That

516
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: was the problem most people had with Malie Collins. He's

517
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: at a three technique. He wanted him to make more plays.

518
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: But I don't remember him just getting completely pushed around

519
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 1: a lot. But I don't know. You guys never seen

520
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 1: that different. No, he was. He was pretty good. That's

521
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 1: especially a training camp. He was really good training a

522
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: training camp. Guy. Um, you know what, I'll say one

523
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: thing here and I and this Dave and I will

524
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 1: both agreed on when he said it like this was

525
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,479
Speaker 1: music to our ears that I don't I don't have

526
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: a scheme. We don't have one thing. We build the

527
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: scheme around the players. We all love that. I was

528
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: one of the first ones to say that. I think

529
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: that is actually biding them right now because they don't

530
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: have anything to hang their hat on. They don't do anything.

531
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: They need to do something like they need to say

532
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: this is kind of what we do. I'm not saying

533
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: Wade Phillips has the answer, but when you hire a

534
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: Wade Phillips, you know exactly what you're getting. You know

535
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: what you're getting with Rod Marinelli, and I think the

536
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: players know it as well. So yess it might be

537
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 1: simple to some degree, but it is the scheme and

538
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: there's a reason why you do that. And so I'm

539
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: kind of starting to wonder if that that that whole

540
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: we build it around is not such a good especially

541
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: in the pandemic. It's really not a good idea. So

542
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: you guys have mentioned I think all of you guys

543
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: have mentioned that this isn't you know, yeah, the worst

544
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: this year on defense, but they were bad last year

545
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 1: as well. At some point you have to start questioning

546
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: is it just the personnel? The personnel is just not good.

547
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: So here's my question for you guys looking at this

548
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 1: defense right now. What players do you think are on

549
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: this defense currently that you figure should be and not

550
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: will be because I know money always factors into will be,

551
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: but should be a part of their plans moving forward

552
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: or should be guys that you look at and say,

553
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: these are guys that need to be a part of

554
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: what they continue to be, well, what they build on

555
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: this defense, because what they're doing right now either they're

556
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: playing at a decent level or I think that I'm

557
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: giving them a little bit of deference because maybe they've

558
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: just come back from injury or something like that. But

559
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: how many of these guys do you think are guys

560
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: that you. That should be a part of what you're

561
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: doing moving forward. Let's start first, Start first with Amber.

562
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: I'm at zero now I might be able to add one,

563
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: but I can't wait to hear this, I know, right,

564
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: I afraid to ask after yesterday. Well, okay, I'll donate Smith.

565
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: I'm keeping him, okay, Randy Gregory, I'm keeping him just

566
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: because I haven't seen enough just yet. I would keep

567
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: I'd still keep DeMarcus Lawrence. I know, you know, he's

568
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: not necessarily being so impactful as we all would like

569
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: him to be. But I think he's still a guy

570
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: that can do some things for you under a different

571
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,239
Speaker 1: kind of voice in his head. You know, he just

572
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: needs to get back to that fiery, motivational type of

573
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: guy that we've seen from him in previous years. Sean Lee,

574
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: I'm turning him into a coach, so I guess I'll

575
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: take him out and then out of that, I'm left

576
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: with Dix because I think he does have the potential.

577
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: It's just been a tough year on him, given the

578
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: fact that he's been put in a role and having

579
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: to carry so much on his back, So it's not

580
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: ideal to just throw him out there. The way he's

581
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: been thrown out there this year, but I still think

582
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: he has some potential development that needs to happen there.

583
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: Other than that, I can't think of it. I can't

584
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: think of anyone else that comes to mind that has

585
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: no No. But that's very unrealistic because there's no way

586
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: you can get rid of that many guys on defense

587
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: and just keep for So don't be so sure that's

588
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: not necessarily true. How do you do that? Dave? You

589
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: can remake this thing real quick if you want to

590
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: between the draft and if you're willing to spend in

591
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: free agency, if you're willing to sign your quarterback so

592
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: you can free up some cap space so you're not

593
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: carrying a forty million dollar hit all at once, you

594
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: can definitely, I mean, you could remake this thing real quick.

595
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it'll be great right away, but you

596
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: can turn over some personnel. I mean, think about how

597
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: many guys on this defense or in contract years as

598
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, I have a lot of expectation that

599
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: this thing is going to look real different in twenty

600
00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: twenty one. Again, not necessarily saying it'll be better, but different.

601
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: How would not play into the whole thing that you

602
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: still have Dak's contract that you still dealing with, and

603
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: then on top of that, all the issues that are

604
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: happening in the old line. I don't really like the

605
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: O line doesn't really bother me as much as it

606
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: might bother some other people. I mean, Tyrn and Lyle

607
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: are under contract, and you know, we'll see what their

608
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: progress is. I mean, Joe Looney is really the only

609
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: guy on the offensive line who doesn't have a deaf

610
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: you know, a definitive future right now. So those guys

611
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: need to get healthy and maybe we'll look at the

612
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: draft for that. But I'm not sweating that. The Dack

613
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: thing is curious because you could go a long way

614
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: toward helping your ability to you know, shuffle the roster

615
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: if he's got a smaller number than thirty eight million.

616
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: I can't predict how that's going to happen, though, Nick, Well,

617
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: that that right there is a whole conversation, you know,

618
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: that whole deck thing, and you know, just to see

619
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: how bad things get, I mean, because if they get

620
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: really bad and you're picking really high, no, what do

621
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: you mean day started having that conversation. We'll say that

622
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: to another day, Jarry. That's a whole show. Jerry and Stephen.

623
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: That's that's a whole show. That is a whole show. Jerry,

624
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: Stephen and Mine McCarthy aren't doing their job if they

625
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: don't consider it. Yes, you have to consider it. Her.

626
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: I just don't think it's a smart idea. But go ahead.

627
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: You can fix the defense real quick if you do that.

628
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: That's my point. Okay, we're over here implying everybody knows

629
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: what we're talking. Well, I mean everybody. I'm just saying.

630
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're sitting there that high and you

631
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: get a cheap quarterback, I mean, I get it, that

632
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: changes everything. But you can also get a ransom of picks.

633
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: So if you give up that spot. Yeah, okay, uh

634
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: I she was naming a bunch of guys, I mean,

635
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: or not a bunch, not a bunch, just a few

636
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: and you got five am Yeah, and I you know,

637
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: or I changed the question a little bit because it's

638
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Speaker 1: so unrealistic to answer it that way. But I kind

639
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Speaker 1: of changed it to the new team in San Antonio,

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Speaker 1: I guess which is the Cowboys with hate. But if

641
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: there was an expansion team and they were plucking players

642
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: and they look at the Cowboys defense, I mean, who

643
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: would they go get Diggs? Diggs would be a good

644
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Speaker 1: fourth corner, fifth corner a little bit. Diggs maybe, Tristan

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Speaker 1: Hill and Gallamore and Rayton Vanderesh maybe, But I mean

646
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Speaker 1: that's who you would take if you were starting, and

647
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: those just young guys. I would take Tank in a heartbeat.

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Speaker 1: Here's the deal. And you said this the other day

649
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Speaker 1: on the show. You said this other day on the

650
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Speaker 1: radio show that you do the hit you did on

651
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Speaker 1: one on five out three you said, you know Tank

652
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Speaker 1: Tank as a leader. What you didn't say that I

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Speaker 1: know you were thinking that you were intimating is throw

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Speaker 1: me out here like as I said it, and I

655
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: thought it was just gonna be just no. They didn't

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Speaker 1: even catch it, I know, And I was like, Nick,

657
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Speaker 1: say what you're trying to say. But my point is,

658
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Speaker 1: like I agree with you Tank as a leader, I

659
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: don't know if Tank necessarily leads the right way. And

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00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: that's why to me, Tank is a good player. And

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00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: Tank is a good player if you watch the games

662
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Speaker 1: and really watch the nuance of the game, because he

663
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Speaker 1: makes he makes plays, he makes things happen. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: always show up on the statue the way you want

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Speaker 1: it to. But he's the type of player. He is

666
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Speaker 1: a good pressure player. I don't think you necessarily want

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Speaker 1: him to be the leader of your defense. I think

668
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Speaker 1: what you want him to be is you're hired assassin.

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Speaker 1: You want him to be the guy that you got

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00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,240
Speaker 1: another leader that's running things and that people are following.

671
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: He's the guy that you say, hey, man, stirred down,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna all do our jobs. Right now, a lot

673
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: of guys aren't doing their jobs, so you can't even

674
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Speaker 1: really get him to a position where he can do

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Speaker 1: something and make something happen. But we're all doing our jobs.

676
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: You're gonna make something happen. And I think in a

677
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: role like that, I think DeMarcus Lawrence could be a really,

678
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Speaker 1: really good player, And so I don't to me, he

679
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: is the first player I say, if I'm gonna keep

680
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Speaker 1: one guy from this defense, that's actually the guy I keep. Now,

681
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: everybody doesn't like the money, because for that amount of money,

682
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: you're expecting a leader. You're expecting a great player, even

683
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Speaker 1: when everybody else isn't great. You're expecting a guy can

684
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: make other guys greater. That's not necessarily who he is.

685
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Speaker 1: So I get the money part of it, but I

686
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: think just from a purest play standpoint, I think he's

687
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: one of the really good pressure players in the NFL. Yeah,

688
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Speaker 1: and again, I've been thinking about this a lot recently.

689
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Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry, I've been thinking about it a lot

690
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Speaker 1: recently that it's it's very fitting where DeMarcus Lawrence sits

691
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Speaker 1: in the Cowboys locker room right now, and for those

692
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Speaker 1: of y'all that don't go in the Cowboys locker room,

693
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,439
Speaker 1: he sits where Dad's used to sit, and I think

694
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Speaker 1: that's I think that's perfect because DeMarcus Lawrence is everything

695
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: you want in a player between the lines, He's not.

696
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Speaker 1: I don't think he's the guy. You know, people always

697
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: talk about Tyrn Smith, like, look to him if you

698
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: want to see what it is to be a pro

699
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: day in and day out, like just a great example.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if DeMarcus is that guy. Des definitely

701
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 1: wasn't that guy, but he's still a guy you want

702
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Speaker 1: on your team. And I absolutely want Tank on this team,

703
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 1: but there needs to he needs more of the other

704
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Speaker 1: type of leadership around him, Like he's the guy that's

705
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Speaker 1: gonna rally you on the field. He's maybe not the

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Speaker 1: guy that's gonna set the best example Monday to Saturday.

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00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: In my opinion, that doesn't mean I don't want him

708
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Speaker 1: on this team though. I think that and I said this,

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Speaker 1: I think to Dave yesterday or Rob, I think they

710
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 1: need to I don't like the whole captain's thing every week.

711
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Speaker 1: I think that's it gets watered down when every single

712
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: week there's just a different person because it doesn't mean anything.

713
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Speaker 1: It means nothing when you get to the game. I

714
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: think this team really needs real captains. Can't don't talk

715
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Speaker 1: about leadership if you're just gonna make it whose turn

716
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 1: is at this time? Oh z, everyone's stand up zaverywhere

717
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: to the captain tales never fails. Let's go. I mean,

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Speaker 1: have about a captain, a real captain, and let the

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Speaker 1: players vote decide throughout the year. And those are the

720
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: guys that are that are the leaders. I mean, that's

721
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: not gonna make this team different than two and five.

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00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: I get it. I just think that, don't you'll be

723
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Speaker 1: surprised when there's leadership issues when you're kind of passing

724
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Speaker 1: the real ones are? Right, so these are the real ones?

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Speaker 1: Well you say that, but yeah, yeah, I agree, I agree.

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Speaker 1: What all I was gonna say is this yesterday we

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Speaker 1: had a lot of people on a lot of people

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Speaker 1: on the show yesterday. And if they win twenty five

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Speaker 1: to three against Washington, maybe not as many. Maybe. I mean,

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Speaker 1: All right, so here's my question for you guys. Let's

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Speaker 1: start this final segment talking about the head coach, and

786
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Speaker 1: obviously the results have not been good, which at the

787
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Speaker 1: end of the day, every coach is judged by the

788
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: results first and foremost. But beyond that, and this is

789
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Speaker 1: even his own self scouting, he says that he hasn't

790
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: seen necessarily improvement and that's been very disappointing to him

791
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Speaker 1: from the beginning of the season to where they are

792
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Speaker 1: now all those things being considered, are you at all

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Speaker 1: and this is with the assumption that I think I

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Speaker 1: remember correctly everybody on this show was at least okay

795
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Speaker 1: with the hiring of Mike McCarthy as the head coach

796
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Speaker 1: at this point, are you second guessing the decision to

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Speaker 1: hire Mike McCarthy as the head coach? Nicho will start

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Speaker 1: with you, No, I'm not second guessing at all. I

799
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Speaker 1: think that you know, he's uh. He was what this

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Speaker 1: team needed and they needed a change, They needed a

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Speaker 1: different voice, and they also needed a voice of somebody

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Speaker 1: that that has has been there and has has done

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Speaker 1: that in one um. And I know that there's a

804
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Speaker 1: lot of talk about him being carried and all that stuff. Well,

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Speaker 1: he hasn't won anything yet. I mean that guy and

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00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 1: he was so great over there that they've only won one. Now,

807
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: he's great, but I mean he's not like pretty good

808
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Speaker 1: this year. They're doing good. They're doing good, and and

809
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: he'll and he'll he'll mess up in the playoffs and

810
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: they'll lose. I mean, you know, he's won one. This

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Speaker 1: isn't Jesus Okay, he's he's won a super Bowl. He's great,

812
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: he's great, but I'm just saying he's I mean, I'm

813
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Speaker 1: just saying, it's not like he carried him that much.

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Speaker 1: They won one time. Gongratulations, more than we've seen around

815
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Speaker 1: here in a while. But no, I don't. I mean now,

816
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Speaker 1: and I know that, I know you're gonna you love

817
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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. I know I get it. But I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: how do you know? You don't know that he carried him?

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Speaker 1: And I'm putting words in your mouth. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what you're about to say. But I would hate for

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Speaker 1: any boss to come to anyone this year and judge

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Speaker 1: them off this year. I mean, what if somebody working

823
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 1: behind the desk whatever or not behind the desk at home,

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Speaker 1: they got fired for what they did this year. I

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Speaker 1: don't think you can really do that so I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't think this is going to be a one

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Speaker 1: and done or anything. I think it's hard to really evaluate,

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Speaker 1: all right, Dave, I will let me let me I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to second guess the McCarthy hiring right now,

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Speaker 1: especially with everything that's gone wrong. Like, I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: lose his job. I just wanted to say, you know,

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Speaker 1: they might have only won one super Bowl, but Green

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Speaker 1: Bay has been in the playoffs perennially since Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: got there, and some of that was with Mike McCarthy,

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Speaker 1: but they got to the NFC Title Game in their

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Speaker 1: first year without him. So I don't know, he's pretty

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Speaker 1: awesome in my opinion. He is anyway, he's awesome in

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Speaker 1: my opinion too. I'm just saying he's yeah, But I

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Speaker 1: just I you know, winning the Super Bowl is the

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Speaker 1: ultimate goal. But actually, what I said when McCarthy was

842
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Speaker 1: hired is get the Cowboys to that level where being

843
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Speaker 1: in the playoffs every year is a reasonable expectation because

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Speaker 1: it hasn't been here for thirty years. They have not

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Speaker 1: been able to reliably make the playoffs in thirty years,

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Speaker 1: and even more so than winning a super Bowl. That

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Speaker 1: would be success is every year everybody in the NFL

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Speaker 1: landscape is like, well, yeah, you know, Dallas will be there.

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Speaker 1: They're They're always there, because that's what we've been saying

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Speaker 1: about Green Bay for ten years. So that's my standard

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Speaker 1: for success. Like I said, even more so than actually

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Speaker 1: winning the Super Bowl is reaching that level of consistency.

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Speaker 1: I'm not ready to second guess the decision I am.

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Speaker 1: I mean obviously, like how could you not second guess

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Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator higher based on what we've seen and like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I know it's a unique year. I know

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Speaker 1: the pandemic is terrible. It doesn't seem like it's stopping

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Speaker 1: a lot of other people from playing competent defense, and

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Speaker 1: that I mean, that would really be a starting point.

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Speaker 1: So again, you know, October is early to call for

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Speaker 1: people's jobs, But I'm curious to see how this team

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Speaker 1: responds in the second half. Like, you know, you're up

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Speaker 1: against the wall. You know Dack's not coming back to

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Speaker 1: save you. You've got this horrible run of results. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they've gotten their butts kick three or four times already,

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Speaker 1: six in seven games. And how do you respond to that,

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Speaker 1: because if McCarthy is a good coach who can deal

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Speaker 1: with this adversity the way that we think, then they

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Speaker 1: should at least be able to dig out of this

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Speaker 1: and fight, and if they don't, that's really bad. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. That's kind of where I'm at right now, Amber,

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Speaker 1: I don't remember what they said. I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: not necessarily the year to kind of fully judge him,

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Speaker 1: but I would say I will say this, I feel

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Speaker 1: that he lacks a sense of that motivational type of

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Speaker 1: leadership voice that Jason Garrett had. And I know we

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Speaker 1: Jason Garrett was on their lot of criticism, but one

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Speaker 1: thing that he did have that was positive was the

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Speaker 1: fact that he's a guy that can really motivate you,

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Speaker 1: Like he's good with his words during the week and

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Speaker 1: all that, and he's able to motivate players to a

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Speaker 1: certain level. Yes, he didn't get you where you wanted to,

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Speaker 1: but there's something that that's very important that the Cowboys

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00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: are lacking right now, and it's that that voice of

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Speaker 1: leadership and kind of trying to bring everyone together. Some

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Speaker 1: of the things that we saw in this previous game

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Speaker 1: against Washington. I don't know if you guys remember that

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Speaker 1: one play well, aside from the whole thing about Andy

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Speaker 1: Dalton and the fact that no one really cared what

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00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: happened to him. Aside from that, do you guys remember

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00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: watching that one play where I don't know exactly what happened,

892
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: but Antoine Woods was mad at the offense and then

893
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: there was like a little pushing back and forth, and

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Speaker 1: then I think someone came in. Armstrong came in to

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Speaker 1: kind of get him off, and then Boots just shoved

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Speaker 1: him away. It was it's still like that. That's the

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00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: kind of things like, you don't do that to a teammate,

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00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: like to me that you should ask, And it wasn't

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Speaker 1: a big deal or anything, but still, the fact that

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00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: you're shoving a teammate away like that should not be happening,

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00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: and he tells me it gives me a lot more

902
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: worries because, aside from from the inability to perform on

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00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: the field, you have to have that kind of connection.

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Speaker 1: And the thing is, yes, COVID nineteen and yes we

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Speaker 1: didn't have an off season and we have a new

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00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: coaching staff, but the Cowboys had a lot of advantage

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00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: with the fact that they haven't faced a real outbreak

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00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: or issue with COVID nineteen. Here with the team, they

909
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: they've had all the kind of technology to keep communication

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00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,919
Speaker 1: during the off season. They have the army right next

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00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: door where players were staying, so they were able to

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Speaker 1: stay together during this whole process. So I think that

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Speaker 1: there were a lot of little things that they still

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Speaker 1: have an advantage against other teams during this hard time.

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Speaker 1: So there's just a lack of just some fire in there,

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Speaker 1: a lack of motivation that I personally I'm not seeing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I think it's premature

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Speaker 1: to want a second guest the decision because I agree

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Speaker 1: with all you guys that that you know, with these

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Speaker 1: unique circumstances, it's hard to make a decision to say, well,

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Speaker 1: he's not the right guy. Definitively. Here's the one thing

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Speaker 1: that I am interested in seeing. And Jerry mentioned it

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Speaker 1: this morning on one on five Dot three the Fan.

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Speaker 1: He mentioned, Uh, you know, I wanted I want to

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Speaker 1: see if you know, to me, I tell the greatness

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Speaker 1: of a coach by what happens when the you know

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Speaker 1: what hits the fan and uh, and I think this

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Speaker 1: is where we get to see from Mike McCarthy what

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Speaker 1: does he do. He's at seven, he's seven games in,

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00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: he's two and five. You know his team has been

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Speaker 1: beaten severely in a couple of those games. What does

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Speaker 1: he do at this point? Is he to kind of

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Speaker 1: coach that ken and this will require him making some

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Speaker 1: really tough decisions. I go back to earlier what somebody

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Speaker 1: said about worrying about egos, like I think at this point,

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Speaker 1: he's got to step in and say, look, I'm doing

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00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: what's best for the team. If there is a player

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Speaker 1: that's not playing well, doesn't mean the guy that I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna start playing more than him is better necessarily. What

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Speaker 1: it means is if you're not going to do the

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Speaker 1: job well, I got to search for someone else. That

942
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: means I got to give someone else another opportunity, and

943
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: if they happen to be better, great, If they don't,

944
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Speaker 1: then we'll move on to the next guy. But I

945
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 1: think this is where we get to find out how

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Speaker 1: coach McCarthy handles these kinds of tough situations. Is he

947
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Speaker 1: the kind of coach that can get his team to refocus?

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Speaker 1: And I'm not expecting to win a lot of games

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Speaker 1: down the stretch. What I am expecting if he is

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Speaker 1: a good coach, is that they will be competitive and

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00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: they will find a way with all the things that

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00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: have gone on to get steady and to be able

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Speaker 1: to be competitive in these games. And if they can't

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Speaker 1: do that, then I will have a different opinion of

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Speaker 1: him as a head coach than maybe what I have

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Speaker 1: right now and certainly what I had at the time

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Speaker 1: that the Cowboys made the higher. All right, we appreciate

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Speaker 1: you guys. Join us. We're back tomorrow. We'll start getting

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Speaker 1: you guys ready for Cowboys versus Eagles. That happens this

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Speaker 1: Sunday night, Sunday Night Football. Until then. For Nick Eatman,

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Speaker 1: Dave Helm and Amber Garcia. I am Derek Eagle and

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Speaker 1: this has been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot

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