WEBVTT - INTERVIEW: Bubba Wallace On Responsibility As A Black NASCAR Driver, Robinhood, Scrapping On The Track + More 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:04.720 Wake that ass up in the morning. Breakfast Club Morning. 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:08.640 Everybody is DJ en Vy, Jess Hilarious, Charlemagne to God. 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:10.959 We are the Breakfast Club. He got some special guests 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:14.080 in the building. We have Bubba Wallace and Steve Quirk. 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:17.840 Welcome fellas another. 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:19.560 Day man, Bubba, How does it feel? 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:20.680 And I know you get this all the time, but 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:23.479 how does it feel being the first black NASCAR drive? 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:27.000 I wouldn't say the first, the first in a while? Okay, 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:29.280 oh you aren't the first, No, When of Scott. 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:31.760 Was the he opened the door for all of us, 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:35.520 and so I've been the first to win since him 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:36.960 got yeah. 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:37.600 Along it with him? 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:39.960 It was the sixties, okay. 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:46.520 Right, So it's it's been a really cool journey, lots 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:49.080 up and downs. Uh, you know, being a being in 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:52.239 a Cup series for eight years now has been I've 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:53.960 learned a lot, I've grown a lot. I've got a 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:56.240 couple of gray hairs in my beard from from I 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:58.120 guess every year that I've been in that. I'd say 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:01.400 every race I've been in the Cups. But it's a 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:06.160 it's humbling no one that there's not many of us there, 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:08.360 but you know I'm leading the way for a generation 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:11.240 that that is paying attention. You have a following and 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:13.199 a demographic that wants to be a part of the sport. 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:14.960 It's it's cool to be at the front of that. 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:16.480 How did you get into race? 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:16.720 Card? 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:17.080 Driving? 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:19.960 Started when I was a kid in go karts. My 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:21.480 dad had to go cart and he raced a couple 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:23.360 of times. He flipped all three times. I have yet 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:24.280 to flip in my careers. 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:26.200 H knock all. 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:30.040 But my dad got us started and he invited to 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:31.440 come out. He told us to come out and watch 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:35.039 a family friend of ours, and just sitting in the stands, 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:35.960 became a fan. 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:37.199 That way, I want to go kart. 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:37.800 And went racing. 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:40.080 Where the name Bubba come from? 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:43.920 My sister, Yes, we don't know why she won't. She 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:46.959 said she didn't have a speech impediment. She just decided 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:49.160 to call me Bubba. So she's five years older than. 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:51.559 Me and it's stuck ever since. 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:55.160 Well, it was confusing at the racetrack, right because I'm 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:58.040 a junior. So hey, Darryl, my dad would turn around 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:00.560 and they were trying to get in touch with me. 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:02.440 So we were just like, let's let's go with Bubba. 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:05.320 It makes it easier and it's fun. Everybody's a bubble, 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:07.000 especially now, so a lot. 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:11.000 Yeah, what's yeah, do you so you embrace the responsibility 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:13.560 of being you know, the I guess, are you. 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:15.400 The only black man drive at the cup level? 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:15.560 Yes? 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:19.040 Yeah, so you embrace the responsibility of being that person 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:21.519 at the forefront generation. 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:23.560 Yeah, yeah, we got we got some youth coming up. 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:25.799 We got Rajah Caruz coming up through in the truck series, 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:30.200 and it's it's fun being a mentor to him and 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:35.440 the others coming through. And yeah, I sense a responsibility 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:37.800 there to you know, carry myself the right way but 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:41.160 also show that, you know, I'm here to stay and 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:42.919 and and make a name for myself as well. 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:46.160 So uh, you know, the only way to. 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:48.080 Create boundaries is to cross them and figure out, you know, 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:49.720 what to do what not to do. So I've made 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:52.520 some mistakes along the way, but it's shaped me and 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:54.600 helped me to become who I am today. 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:55.040 M hm. 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:57.639 And so, you know, off track, on track stuff has 0:02:57.680 --> 0:02:58.560 been phenomenal. 0:02:58.639 --> 0:02:59.840 I could say this this whole year. 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:03.720 Are out really really strong force and nothing nothing's better 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:05.400 than winning. So it's been a while since I've been 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:07.240 in victory lane, but it's not for a lack of effort. 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:09.720 How difficult? I'm sorry? What got in North Carolina? Are 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:13.359 you from Charlotte? Big? That was big? 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:15.200 Growing up like racetar? 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:18.200 Yeah, so like I grew up fifteen minutes from the racetrack, 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:20.560 so all the race teams were all within the thirty 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:21.560 minute radius of each other. 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:21.799 Wow. 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:23.720 I was going to ask, how difficult was it because 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:26.400 coming up there wasn't too many of us in the stands. 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:27.600 I'm sure there's not too many of us in the 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:29.440 stands now, but there was way less in the stands, 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:30.840 So how difficult was it? I'm sure you had to 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:34.080 face racism of the drivers of teams, and how difficult 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:34.880 was fighting through that? 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:38.440 Honestly, my my mom was my parents, both my parents, 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:41.760 but my mom was, you know, the driving force behind 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:42.840 of just never given. 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:45.000 The media any negative to talk about. Right. Well I 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:46.040 failed at that a couple of. 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:50.840 Times, but she was always just keeping me aware of 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:56.280 the said scenarios, right and and for me, though I 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:59.920 grew up in a well diverse community and did it 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:03.240 and see color still don't and it just didn't didn't 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:05.760 matter to me. So when I jumped into it, there 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:09.280 was I think two of us that that were of color. 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.120 And Benny Mingo he actually works at our race shop now, 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:14.360 so it's crazy how he works on a race cars. 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:17.799 But it was just the two of us and didn't 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:18.520 bother me one bit. 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:21.760 You know, growing up, you know, the higher you you 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:23.760 got in the rankings, the better you got, you know, 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:25.239 the faster the cars. 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:27.280 You know, I was the only one and still didn't 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:28.960 bother me. I all I cared about was winning. 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:32.040 And it sounds like a very just cliche, typical, straight 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:34.520 line answer, but I didn't give a damn right and 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:36.720 I still don't because at the end of day, we're 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:38.560 all human beings and that's that's how I view each other. 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:41.680 And we just happen to be a little bit darker 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:44.560 than others, and that's okay. But if you treat each 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:46.919 other with respect, then you demand that respect back and 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:48.800 and if they can't give that back, then they're not 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:51.040 the people for you. So that's how I've kind of 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:55.000 viewed life and have enjoyed life no matter what's thrown 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:55.360 at us. 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:56.200 I agree with that. 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:58.680 You know, when you would you being a by racial right, 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:01.760 whenever you feel when people come at you for being black, 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:04.000 do you ever be like, well, I'm white. 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:07.440 Too, halfway in yeah, I mean you have to kind 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:09.320 of balance both hats really, you know. 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:12.760 You know, I have a black side in my family, 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:13.760 have a white side in my family. 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:14.240 And so. 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:18.760 That's a good question. 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:20.080 Where do you go for Thanksgiving? 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:22.760 That's a good I like to stay home. Now. I 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:23.680 ain't got to do nothing. 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:29.160 Damn, you put me on the spot. You know, you 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:30.479 know I have to go with my sister. 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:31.719 I have to go with my sister. 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:32.920 The black side of family. 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:37.520 Is definitely good. 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:42.440 No, I think just you know, trying to just walk 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:45.800 both past and can be tiring it sometimes because I 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:46.919 just want to walk down the middle. 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:48.160 But it's just never that easy. 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:51.279 Sometimes, before we get to you're dealing with Steve, I 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:53.320 want to ask how many people come up to you 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:54.800 and try to race you in the street when you 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:56.240 have a drive And that happened a lot. 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:58.080 No, because I have tent on my windows so you 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:00.440 can't see who's yeah, and you able. 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:02.039 To get crazy on the street. Sometimes you just like, no. 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:05.960 I don't waste time though, So if we got to 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:07.920 drive to the grocery store, I'll I know how to 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:09.120 get to the grocery store, but I'll plug it in 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:11.080 the GPS to see which ways the fastest way and 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:14.000 to see if I can get there faster of course. 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:17.760 Really, actually it's been. 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:19.760 A long long time and I can say I've I've 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:25.160 been I've been pulled over, you know, twenty twenty somethingtimes. 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:27.920 It only gotten like three tickets. 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:28.559 It's the white side. 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:40.719 It was because you recognize that's what I was going 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.360 with Steve Coirk with Robin Hood. 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:44.839 So what's your relationship with Robin Hood. 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:47.320 It's just starting out so excited for the partnership that 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:49.600 we just announced to be a part of twenty three 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:52.800 eleven and sponsoring myself and Corey him and a couple 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:53.760 of Cup races this year. 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:55.960 So you know, hats off to. 0:06:57.480 --> 0:06:59.960 Everybody at Air Speed on the marketing side of the 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.280 things to bring in new sponsors to the sport. So 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:03.680 let's be the first time that Robin Hood is a 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:06.200 part of our sport and this sort of capacity and 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:09.880 it's special so it's fast paced so they can keep up. 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:14.320 Yeah, it's our first national sponsorship of sports. We have 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:16.480 a couple NBA teams that we sponsor. 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:18.760 The people that don't know what Robinhood is and what 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:20.920 they do. Yeah, yeah, let me let me quickly explain. 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:25.160 So Robinhood Basic we have about twenty five million customers 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:30.520 and Robinhood is a it's an investing app, and what 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:36.520 we've been largely credited with is bringing twenty five million young, 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:41.400 very diverse, first time investors into the marketplace. So in 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:44.559 the US we're sitting close to sixty percent of US 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:48.200 households now are invested in the market. That's that's the 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:51.840 envy of the world. It's like twenty percent in Asia 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:55.200 or Europe or other places. And what we did is 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:58.160 just remove the friction. So if you have five dollars, 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:00.240 if you have ten dollars, you can invest. 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:01.600 We removed all. 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:04.320 The friction, made it very easy for people to have 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:08.280 access to the greatest wealth creation vehicle in the world. 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:11.559 So as important as it is for you to make money, 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:14.960 you have to put that money to work, and we've 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:18.040 made that really accessible for young people. 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.280 My kids have Robinhood and it's very accessible. They know 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:23.560 how to use it, they invest in it. They're not 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:25.560 investing a lot of money, but five dollars and dollar 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:27.640 it's a start for them at a young But it 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:28.160 used to. 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:31.119 Like the whole system used to be kind of really 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:34.520 kind of inaccessible for young people because you had to 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:36.800 wait till you got you this amount of money to 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:39.400 be able to do it, and so really by the 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:41.800 time you got around to investing, it was a little 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:45.319 bit too late. The second component that we're really really 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:48.120 strongly focused on is it's one thing to give them access, 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:49.880 but it's another thing to make sure that they do 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.360 it in a way that's going to be sustainable and 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:55.679 that they're going to have a good investing career. So 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:58.120 we do a lot in the way of education, both 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:00.920 within our site and the app, but also we go 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:03.920 out to universities. We have a bunch of university programs 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:07.480 where we help people understand the importance of doing this 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:11.280 in a suitable manner, and then we give them access 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:14.679 to all of this and provide them with curriculum. And 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:17.080 then we have a newsletter that goes out every morning 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:20.280 to we have forty million people subscribed, basically describes the 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:24.280 day's news and then if there's something within that news 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:27.000 that could be an investable opportunity for them. 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:28.200 What's your vetting process? 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:30.640 But when it comes to like who you choose to 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:31.360 take on as. 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:35.000 The sponsor, I was just willing to pay, let's go 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:39.240 what happened? I mean, hey, I come. 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:44.280 From I remember, man, we were doing about anything just 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:45.800 to get anybody to spend a buck, right. 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:48.360 And so it's a tough sport to be a. 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:50.800 Part of it and want to invest in two and 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:53.040 for new companies to come into the sport and not. 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:54.520 Know which ways up, down, left or right. 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:57.200 I mean I would be hesitant as well, and so 0:09:57.320 --> 0:09:59.400 and taking a risk on a kid that's trying to 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:01.080 find his way through the Cup Series. But I feel 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:04.280 like now we've established ourselves, established our name, you know, 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:07.080 within the race team, within the sport, it makes it 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:09.400 easier for companies that want to be in part of 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:11.000 our journey. 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:12.880 And yeah, you got you're associated with MJ. 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:15.319 So yeah, no, how was that? MJ is a coal owner, 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:16.599 So how is he as a co owner? Do you 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:18.520 speak much? Do you talk much? Do you I play 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:19.439 one on one basketball? 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:21.160 How is it not the basketball piece? 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:23.760 He taught me if if I know I'm gonna go 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:25.719 into something and lose and not don't compete at all. 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:27.760 So he won't jump into a race car, I won't 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:28.680 jump on the basketball court. 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:31.880 And so m J is super involved. 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:34.720 Uh And and it might be a shock to a 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:36.240 lot of people, and I think it was for me 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:38.680 to start, because you think of somebody as as as 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:42.400 big as MJ that he can be doing anything else 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:45.000 that he wants with his time and his money. He 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:48.440 has a strong passion for NASCAR. He's been a fan. 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:51.000 He's watched even before he became a team owner. 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:55.200 He was a kid going to the races Darlington, uh Talladega, Charlotte. 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:58.000 He was going all these places with his family grown up, 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:00.560 and so he's always had a strong knack for for 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:03.560 NASCAR and what it provides. And so now him being invested, 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:06.120 it's game over. He's he's watching each and every weekend, 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:08.920 whether he's here or overseas, whatever he's doing. I have 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:10.680 a text before and after the race every weekend. 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.160 What did he say? I lost some money betting. 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.760 No, it's always encouraging. He's always he's a glass half 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:20.000 full guy. No matter how rough the day gets. He's 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:23.760 always searching for the positives. And so it's helped me 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:26.120 grow up a lot in a short amount of time. 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:27.920 What about you, Steve? What made y'all want to say? 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:29.720 You know what NASCAR is where we want to spend 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:30.200 that money? 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:33.040 Well, if we look at our customers, they're very into sports, 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:35.520 but they're if we just look at a robin Hood 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:38.200 versus a non Robinhood customer, they're four times more likely 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:42.000 they're into motorsports, particularly NASCAR, and so this gives us 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:45.319 broad exposure you know, nationally as well, which I think 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:48.320 is very positive. And they just you know, they're as 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:50.800 passionate about their sports as they are about their investing. 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:52.600 So they tie together pretty nicely. 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:55.040 Got you with the har of you to get sponsitships buble, 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:56.920 because you know, you always hear the stories about Serena Wiams. 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:59.520 Even though she was dominant you know inten is full 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:01.680 period of time her Aan Venus, it was hard for 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:03.040 them to get sponsorships. 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:04.760 People just didn't feel like they were marketable. Was it 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:05.360 the same for you? 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:06.400 Absolutely? 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:12.400 You know, we look at the sport and the personalities 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:15.160 that you have within the side of our sport, and 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:18.400 there's there's a select few, and I feel like I'm 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:20.880 near the top of the list of just being uh 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:24.160 personable and likable despite all the BS that goes on. 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:27.000 You know, I'm gonna tell you how I feel, and 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:28.720 I feel like a lot of us inside of our 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:32.600 sport are very straight edged and cookie cutter, right, And 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:34.280 that's that's okay. You don't want to show your true 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:36.040 colors and show your cards. You keep that in your 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:39.040 personal life, that's fine. But for me, I've always just 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:41.680 been trying. I tried to be super relatable to everybody 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:45.439 I meet, uh and and make a lasting impression, uh 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:48.800 to to eventually have the investments come in and the 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:51.760 funding come in. And it seemed like nothing we ever 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:54.959 did would would work. And for whatever reason that is, uh, 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:56.920 it was what it was. But it never stopped me 0:12:57.040 --> 0:12:59.640 from pursuing what I wanted to do and fighting hard. 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:00.840 You know. 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:03.360 Now I look at the people that potentially said no, 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:05.319 we're good and just laugh because we're't a good spot. 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:07.920 Now, what does the sport have to do to increase, right, 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.520 because it's I feel like it's been in that same 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:12.760 spot for a long time and it hasn't really grown 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:13.640 as I thought it would. 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:14.920 What do you think it needs to do? 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:15.559 I need to win. 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:17.720 M there you go. 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:19.760 I think that's the easiest way to go about it. 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:20.360 I need to win. 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:24.160 You look at I mean, golf didn't really change too 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:26.920 too much, you know, but Tiger was dominant right uh, 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:30.440 and created a lot of buzz. But I've only had 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:32.640 two wins in my eight years and being in cups, 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:35.880 so to me, that's unacceptable. So the way that we've 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:39.160 been performing this year, uh, last year races finished in third, 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:41.880 two spots away from from doing just that. 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:46.280 So I'll take full responsibility and helping that. 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:46.360 Fault is it? 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:47.920 Is it the car? 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:49.440 Because is it call driving? 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:52.400 As a driver, you never blame yourself, so it's always 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:53.319 somebody else's faults. 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:55.000 So that's just how drivers operate. 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:57.800 But it takes a it takes a whole team to 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:01.040 win races, and man, it's tough. You're the next level 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:05.280 after cup level is retirement. So it's the hardest thing 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:07.480 that you'll ever do in forms of motorsports, in the 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:10.160 form of the path that we're on. And so the 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:13.320 guys you're going against I have been doing it. Denny 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:16.280 he won the second co owner or other boss he 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:18.839 won Sunday, but he's been in the sport for twenty 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:20.920 years and so I'm my eighth year. 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:22.520 So it's just experience takes over. 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:24.920 But it takes a car, it takes a crew chief, 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:28.720 it takes the driver, it takes pit crew and just 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:30.880 a lot of luck to get these things, you know, 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:31.480 in the right way. 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:33.280 This could be a stupid question. I don't know. 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:35.280 How do you know that certain people on the on 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:38.960 the team might not be sabotaging you though, just because 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:41.200 for you know, it might be mad as you Yeah, 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:42.080 the Confederate flag. 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:46.240 Yeah, we we have a good process and knowing like 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:50.440 basically feeding out the bullshit, right and you know, you 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:53.040 have to show up ready to work. And as simple 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:55.560 as I think, you look at who the owners are, 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:58.440 MJ and Denny. They care about winning, and they care 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:01.080 about doing it with integrity, and if you don't have that, 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:03.280 then it's it's it's it's game over for them. So 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:05.640 we don't have to worry about that. And I never 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:06.080 really have. 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:08.160 Who's the toughest driver? 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:12.080 You have a faced and why? And in Nascar is 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:14.080 it like that? Like you know, as a basketball you 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:16.200 can say this is the toughest opponent. In hockey, this 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:17.720 is the toughest baseball, this is the toughest. 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:21.040 It's different. It's it's different in regards of the tracks 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:21.640 that we go to. 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:27.320 You know, for example, Denny had won this weekend and 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:31.600 this is in Martinsville, which is one of his best tracks, 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:35.360 and so when you show up to said track, it's 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:37.960 like who's the guy to beat? That's how you look 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:42.640 at it. So it's always different throughout the throughout the circle, 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:45.280 throughout the year, So I can't pinpoint it to one. 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:50.000 Who's the biggest asshole? That also changes to depends on. 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:50.600 The mood that we're in. 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:55.240 What's your what's your favorite track? Favorite track? Martinsville is 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:57.760 one of them. So Bristol's coming up here in two weeks. 0:15:57.800 --> 0:15:58.520 That's another good one. 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:01.320 Mostly all the short tracks, but also the ones we've 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:03.160 won on too, So Tallada and Kansas are good. 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:05.760 Y'all get scrapping sometimes, y'all, y'all fight on that on 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:06.640 those tracks. 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.720 Sometimes yeah yeah, And and it's you know, you feel 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:11.880 like you're you're you're you're done wrong because I go 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:14.120 back to the respect thing. You show up with respect, 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:17.480 you you man respect and return and and sometimes you 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:22.840 feel like you're shorted or you're done wrong. And for 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:26.320 whatever reason. You know, when I'm done wrong and I retaliate, 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.680 it's it's the world's end, and uh all I'm doing 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:32.000 And when I when I was grown up, you know, 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:34.360 being taught is you just get even. 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:37.760 So I'm just getting even, like, oh, okay, we're good. 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:38.880 We can shake hands after the fact. 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:40.800 We're good now. But massive deal. 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:42.800 Y'all get suspended after y'all get into a fight, because 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:44.040 I remember you got into a fight a couple of 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:44.480 years ago. 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:46.720 Did you get suspended? Is there any penalties or anything? 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:51.920 No, Well, the the rules are constantly changing. You know. 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:56.600 I got suspended for right re're hooking somebody, which basically 0:16:56.640 --> 0:17:00.720 a pit maneuver, and rightfully so, because it's happened to 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:02.160 me twice throughout my career. 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:05.800