WEBVTT - The Robber Bridegroom

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<v Speaker 1>School of Humans.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode discusses sensitive topics. Please listen with care. My

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<v Speaker 2>name is Miranda Hawkins. Welcome to the Deep Dark Woods.

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<v Speaker 2>Today's episode is ATU nine fifty five or the Robber Bridegroom.

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<v Speaker 3>Once upon a time there was a miller who had

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<v Speaker 3>a beautiful daughter. When she came of age, he wished

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<v Speaker 3>that she was provided for and well married. He thought,

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<v Speaker 3>if a respectable suitor comes and asks for her hand

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<v Speaker 3>in marriage, I will give her to him. Not long afterwards,

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<v Speaker 3>a suitor came who appeared to be very rich. And

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<v Speaker 3>because the girl, however, did not like him as much

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<v Speaker 3>as a bride should like her bride, she did not

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<v Speaker 3>trust him, and whenever she saw him or thought about him,

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<v Speaker 3>she felt within her heart a sense of horror. One

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<v Speaker 3>time he said to her, you are engaged to marry me,

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<v Speaker 3>but you have never once paid me a visit. The

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<v Speaker 3>girl replied, I don't know where your house is. Then

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<v Speaker 3>the bridegroom said, my house is out in the dark woods.

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<v Speaker 3>Looking for an excuse, she said she would not be

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<v Speaker 3>able to find the way there. The bridegroom said, next

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<v Speaker 3>Sunday you must come out to me. I have already

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<v Speaker 3>invited guests. I will make a trail of ashes so

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<v Speaker 3>that you can find your way through the woods. When

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<v Speaker 3>Sunday came and it was time for the girl to

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<v Speaker 3>start on her way, she became frightened, although she herself

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<v Speaker 3>did not know exactly why. In order to mark the path,

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<v Speaker 3>she filled both her pockets full of peas and lentils.

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<v Speaker 3>At the entrance of the forest, there was a trail

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<v Speaker 3>of ashes, which she followed, but at every step she

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<v Speaker 3>threw a couple of peas on to the ground to

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<v Speaker 3>the right and to the left. She walked almost the

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<v Speaker 3>whole day until she came to the middle of the woods,

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<v Speaker 3>where it was the darkest, and there stood a solitary house.

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<v Speaker 3>She did not like it because it looked so dark

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<v Speaker 3>and sinister. She went inside, but no one was there.

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<v Speaker 3>It was totally quiet. Suddenly a voice called out, turn back,

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<v Speaker 3>turn back, you, young bride. You are in a murderer's house.

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<v Speaker 3>The girl looked up and saw that the voice came

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<v Speaker 3>from the bird, which was hanging in a cage on

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<v Speaker 3>the wall. It cried out again, turn back, turn back, you,

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<v Speaker 3>young bride, You are in a murderer's house. The beautiful

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<v Speaker 3>bride went from one room to another, walking through the

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<v Speaker 3>whole house, but it was empty, not a human soul

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<v Speaker 3>to be found. Finally she came to a cellar. A

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<v Speaker 3>very old woman was sitting there, shaking her head. Could

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<v Speaker 3>you tell me, said the girl, if my bridegroom lives here?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh you poor child, replied the old woman, Where did

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<v Speaker 3>you come from?

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<v Speaker 4>You are in a murderer's den.

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<v Speaker 3>You think you are a bride soon to be married,

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<v Speaker 3>but it is death that you will be marrying. Look,

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<v Speaker 3>they made me put a large kettle of water on

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<v Speaker 3>the fire. When they have captured you, they will chop

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<v Speaker 3>you to pieces without mercy, cook you and eat you,

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<v Speaker 3>for they are cannibals. If I do not show you

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<v Speaker 3>compassion and save you, you are doomed with this. The

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<v Speaker 3>old woman led her behind a large barrel where she

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<v Speaker 3>could not be seen. Be quiet as a mouse, she said,

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<v Speaker 3>do not make a sound or move, or all will

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<v Speaker 3>be over for you. Tonight, when the robbers are asleep,

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<v Speaker 3>we will escape. I have long waited for an opportunity.

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<v Speaker 3>This had scarcely happened. When the godless band came home,

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<v Speaker 3>they were dragging with them another maiden. They were drunk

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<v Speaker 3>and paid no attention to her screams and sobs. They

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<v Speaker 3>gave her wine to drink, three glasses full, one glass

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<v Speaker 3>of white, one glass of red, and one glass of yellow,

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<v Speaker 3>which caused her heart to break. Then they ripped off

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<v Speaker 3>her fine clothes, laid her on the table, chopped her

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<v Speaker 3>beautiful body in pieces, and sprinkled salt on it. The

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<v Speaker 3>poor bride behind the barrel trembled and shook, for she

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<v Speaker 3>saw well what fate the robbers had planned for her.

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<v Speaker 3>One of them noticed a gold ring on the murdered

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<v Speaker 3>girl's little finger. Because it did not come off, he

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<v Speaker 3>took an axe and chopped the finger off, but it

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<v Speaker 3>flew into the air and over the barrel, falling right

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<v Speaker 3>into bride's lap. The robber took a light and looked

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<v Speaker 3>for it, but could not find it. Then another one said,

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<v Speaker 3>did you look behind the large barrel, But the old

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<v Speaker 3>woman cried out, come and eat. You can continue looking

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<v Speaker 3>in the morning. That finger won't run away from you.

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<v Speaker 3>Then the robbers said the old woman's right. They gave

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<v Speaker 3>up their search and they sat down to eat. The

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<v Speaker 3>old woman poured a sleeping potion into their wine, so

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<v Speaker 3>that they soon lay down in the cellar and fell

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<v Speaker 3>asleep snoring. When the bride heard them snoring, she came

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<v Speaker 3>out from behind the barrel and had to step over

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<v Speaker 3>the sleepers, for they lay all in rows on the ground.

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<v Speaker 3>She was afraid that she might awaken one of them,

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<v Speaker 3>but God helped her and she got through safely. The

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<v Speaker 3>old woman went upstairs with her, opened the door, and

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<v Speaker 3>they hurried out of the murderers down as fast as

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<v Speaker 3>they could. The wind had blown away the trail of ashes,

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<v Speaker 3>but the peas and lentils had sprouted and grown up

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<v Speaker 3>and showed them the way in the moonlight. They walked

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<v Speaker 3>all night, arriving at the mill the next morning. Then

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<v Speaker 3>the girl told her father everything just as it had happened.

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<v Speaker 3>When the wedding day came, the bridegroom appeared. The miller

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<v Speaker 3>had invited all his relatives and acquaintances. As they sat

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<v Speaker 3>at the table, each one was asked to tell something.

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<v Speaker 3>The bride sat still and said nothing. Then the bridegroom

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<v Speaker 3>said to the bride, come, sweetheart, don't you know anything?

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<v Speaker 3>Tell us something like the others have done. She answered,

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<v Speaker 3>then I will tell about a dream. I was walking

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<v Speaker 3>alone through the woods when finally I came to a

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<v Speaker 3>house inside there was not a single human soul. But

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<v Speaker 3>on the wall there was a bird in a cage.

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<v Speaker 3>It cried out, turn back, turn back, you young bride,

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<v Speaker 3>You are in a murderer's house. Then it cried out

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<v Speaker 3>the same thing again, Darling, it was only a dream.

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<v Speaker 3>Then I went through all the rooms. They were all empty,

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<v Speaker 3>and there was something so eerie in there. Finally I

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<v Speaker 3>went down into the cellar, and there sat a very

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<v Speaker 3>old woman, shaking her head. She answered, alas, poor child,

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<v Speaker 3>you have gotten into a murderer's den. Your bridegroom does

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<v Speaker 3>live here, but he intends to chop you to pieces

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<v Speaker 3>and kill you. And then he intends to cook you

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<v Speaker 3>and eat you. Darling, it was only a dream. After that,

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<v Speaker 3>the old woman hid me behind a large barrel. I

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<v Speaker 3>had scarcely hidden myself there. When the robbers came home,

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<v Speaker 3>dragging a girl with them. They gave her three kinds

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<v Speaker 3>of wine to drink, white, red, and yellow, which caused

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<v Speaker 3>her heart to stop beating. Darling, it was only a dream.

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<v Speaker 3>After that, they took off her fine clothes and chopped

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<v Speaker 3>her beautiful body to pieces on a table, then sprinkled

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<v Speaker 3>salt on it. Darling, it was only a dream. Then

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<v Speaker 3>one of the robbers saw that there was still a

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<v Speaker 3>ring on her finger. Because it was hard to get

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<v Speaker 3>the ring off, he took an axe and chopped off

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<v Speaker 3>the finger. The finger flew through the air behind the

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<v Speaker 3>large barrel and fell into my lap. And here is

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<v Speaker 3>the finger with the ring. With these words, she pulled

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<v Speaker 3>out the finger and showed it to every one who

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<v Speaker 3>was there. The robber, who had during this story become

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<v Speaker 3>white as chalk, jumped up and tried to escape, but

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<v Speaker 3>the guests held him fast and turned him over to

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<v Speaker 3>the ports. Then he and his whole band were executed

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<v Speaker 3>for their shameful deeds.

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<v Speaker 2>The Robber Bridegroom isn't as well known as the other

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<v Speaker 2>tales we've talked about in the show. It was never

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<v Speaker 2>picked up by Walt Disney or rewritten for a younger audience.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, it wasn't even popular during the Grimm's time.

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<v Speaker 2>This story wasn't included in their eighteen twenty five collection

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<v Speaker 2>that was the year their tales began to gain popularity,

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<v Speaker 2>and this story hasn't been found in collections targeted at

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<v Speaker 2>children past nineteen sixty. Although the underlying theme is about marriage,

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<v Speaker 2>some folklorists don't view The Robber Bridegroom as a fairy tale,

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<v Speaker 2>but rather as a horror story. The Robber Bridegroom is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the most violent tales by the Grim Brothers,

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<v Speaker 2>which is impressive considering all of the violence we've already

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<v Speaker 2>encountered from Cinderella's stepsisters cutting off their feet, Rumpelstilskin splitting

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<v Speaker 2>in half, Little Red and her grandmother getting devoured by

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<v Speaker 2>a wolf.

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<v Speaker 4>And if you are.

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<v Speaker 2>Reading this grim story in a book, it becomes even

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<v Speaker 2>more horrific with the illustrations.

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<v Speaker 1>Fairy tales come with illustrations, and we often see that

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<v Speaker 1>moment where all the characters are together being chosen as

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<v Speaker 1>an illustrative moment, the moment to illustrate in a story.

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<v Speaker 4>This is folklorist doctor Len McNeil.

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<v Speaker 1>And when we think about this scene in the house

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the woods, our young heroine is

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<v Speaker 1>hiding behind some boxes and there is just straight up

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<v Speaker 1>butchery and debauchery happening in the same room as her.

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<v Speaker 1>A woman is being murdered, she's being chopped up. Body

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<v Speaker 1>parts are literally flying around the room. We can picture

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<v Speaker 1>the bloody scene and the moment they go looking and

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<v Speaker 1>the old woman comes in and says no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>Come and eat like everyone's there together, right, and we

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<v Speaker 1>have it all encapsulated, the violence, these bad people, the victim,

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<v Speaker 1>the girl hiding, the tension, woman trying to distract them.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that moment just brings all of these things together,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's really visceral.

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<v Speaker 2>Clearly, the robber bridegroom is incredibly violent, with a gruesome

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<v Speaker 2>murder and cannibalism, and doctor McNeil says there's a specific

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<v Speaker 2>reason why the Grims did that. It was to make

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<v Speaker 2>it extremely obvious that these men, including the future husband,

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<v Speaker 2>are evil.

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<v Speaker 1>Fairy tales, by definition, are understood to be fairly simplistic structurally.

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<v Speaker 1>These are some of the defining characteristics of these tales

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<v Speaker 1>is that they don't have long, ornate passages that describe

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<v Speaker 1>in detail various things. So if you want something to

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<v Speaker 1>have an impact, you have to make it pretty stark.

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<v Speaker 1>We need our readers or listeners to know that these

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<v Speaker 1>bad guys are bad, like they are not oh ambiguously bad,

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<v Speaker 1>They're not just sort of selfish and mean. These are

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<v Speaker 1>the worst of the worst. That story has been being

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<v Speaker 1>told for literal thousands of years about whoever it is

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<v Speaker 1>that we want to be able to hate without nuance,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's really interesting to see that motif crop up,

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<v Speaker 1>so that we don't have to think, we don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to complicate these people, we can just hate them.

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<v Speaker 2>Another element that increases the suspense and horror of the

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<v Speaker 2>story is that the merchant's daughter has to march into

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<v Speaker 2>her fate, despite the feeling of an ease she has.

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<v Speaker 2>She has to marry this man her father found for her,

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<v Speaker 2>and she has to go see her future husband's house.

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<v Speaker 2>Similarly to how she couldn't escape without the old woman's help,

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<v Speaker 2>she can't escape the will of the men in her life.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the tropes that we see here is how

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<v Speaker 1>powerless women are at the hands of men. So her

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<v Speaker 1>father encouraging her towards this marriage that she just does

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<v Speaker 1>not feel good about, and then her husband to be

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<v Speaker 1>encouraging her to make choices that her gut tells her

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<v Speaker 1>do not feel good. Yeah, my house is in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of the woods. You should see it before we

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<v Speaker 1>get married. Walk there alone at night through the forest.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll be fine. All of these things are going against instinct.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that we know historically that men making deals

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<v Speaker 1>with other men about marriage is an incredibly common practice

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<v Speaker 1>around the world, so a woman's father and a woman's

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<v Speaker 1>future husband would often negotiate the terms of her marriage

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<v Speaker 1>without her involvement at all, so that's not particularly surprising.

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<v Speaker 1>Here we do have the fairy tale elements of come

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<v Speaker 1>into the woods, go against your instinct, put yourself in danger,

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<v Speaker 1>and clearly he has no good intent here at all.

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<v Speaker 1>We get sort of that tension of a woman ostensibly

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<v Speaker 1>behaving in a societally appropriate way, but knowing something is wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>The Robbert Bridegroom is a disturbing indeed, and some people

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<v Speaker 2>even consider it a Gothic story instead of a simple

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<v Speaker 2>fairy tale. In the time of Mary Shelley and Edgar

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<v Speaker 2>Allan Poe, the word German evoked feelings of darkness and ominousness,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's when the Robber Bridegroom entered the world. But

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<v Speaker 2>let's look at the fairy tales. The Robber Bridegroom is

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<v Speaker 2>one of many stories that features a murderous husband, and

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<v Speaker 2>in one tale type, he's a serial killer. As with

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<v Speaker 2>their other stories. The brothers Grim heard the Robber Bridegroom

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<v Speaker 2>from Marie Hasenflug, one of the sisters who was a

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<v Speaker 2>descendant of French Huguenots.

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<v Speaker 4>One tale that.

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<v Speaker 2>Is closely related to the Robber Bridegroom is Bluebeard. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a different tale type ATU three twelve, but it could

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<v Speaker 2>have possibly better the inspiration for the Robber Bridegroom. The

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<v Speaker 2>Grims wrote their own version of blue Beard and included

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<v Speaker 2>it in their first edition, but then they decided that

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<v Speaker 2>the tale was too French and not authentically German enough

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<v Speaker 2>for them to include in future editions. It was very

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<v Speaker 2>similar to the tale by Charles Perraut, which was published

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<v Speaker 2>in sixteen ninety seven. There's a rich man who is

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<v Speaker 2>unlucky to have a blue beard, which makes him so

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<v Speaker 2>ugly that.

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<v Speaker 4>All the ladies run from him.

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<v Speaker 2>But one of his neighbors has two beautiful daughters, and

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<v Speaker 2>he asks to have one of them as his bride.

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<v Speaker 2>The two sisters sent him back and forth between the two,

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<v Speaker 2>neither one wanting him for his ugliness. Another reason neither

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<v Speaker 2>sister wants to marry him is they know he has

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<v Speaker 2>been previously married several times, but no one knows what's

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<v Speaker 2>happened to those wives.

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<v Speaker 4>To win their.

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<v Speaker 2>Affection, Bluebeard decides to host the mother daughters and some

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<v Speaker 2>of their friends and other neighbors at one of his

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<v Speaker 2>country homes. The time is filled with parties, hunting, fishing, dancing, mirth,

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<v Speaker 2>and feasting.

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<v Speaker 4>Everything goes so well.

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<v Speaker 2>The youngest daughter decides a blue Beard isn't so bad

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<v Speaker 2>after all.

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<v Speaker 4>And that he is quite the gentleman.

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<v Speaker 2>When everyone returns home, blue Beard and the youngest daughter

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<v Speaker 2>are married. A month later, blue Beard announces he has

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<v Speaker 2>to leave for six weeks to attend to important business.

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<v Speaker 2>He tells her to keep herself entertained while he's gone

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<v Speaker 2>by inviting her friends to the country house. He hands

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<v Speaker 2>her a.

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<v Speaker 4>Set of keys.

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<v Speaker 2>One key unlocks great wardrobes where he keeps his best furniture,

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<v Speaker 2>Another unlocks where he keeps his gold and silver plates,

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<v Speaker 2>another to his gold, silver, and jewels, and finally the

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<v Speaker 2>smallest key, which opens a little closet on the ground floor.

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<v Speaker 2>He tells her she can open anything she wants except

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<v Speaker 2>for the small closet. If she does, she should expect

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<v Speaker 2>his just anger. She promises to do as he says.

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<v Speaker 2>Then he gets into his coach and leaves.

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<v Speaker 1>Her.

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<v Speaker 2>Neighbors and friends didn't wait for an invite to go

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<v Speaker 2>to the country.

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<v Speaker 4>House with the new wife.

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<v Speaker 2>They had been waiting for her husband to leave before

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<v Speaker 2>visiting because they were still.

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<v Speaker 4>Frightened of his beard.

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<v Speaker 2>As a new wife begins unlocking everything, everyone is beside

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<v Speaker 2>themselves with the treasures for each finery surpasses the one

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<v Speaker 2>before it, but the new bride can't wait and heads

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<v Speaker 2>to the little door before the rest of the party.

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<v Speaker 2>She thinks a moment about her husband's warning, but the

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<v Speaker 2>temptation is too strong. She opens the door. It takes

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<v Speaker 2>a minute because all the windows are shut, but after

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<v Speaker 2>a few moments she realizes the floors are covered in

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<v Speaker 2>clotted blood. The room is filled with the bodies of

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<v Speaker 2>Bluebeard's previous wives. Terrified, she drops the key. After somewhat recovering,

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<v Speaker 2>she picks the key back up and locks the door again.

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<v Speaker 2>The new wife notices there is blood on the key,

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<v Speaker 2>but no matter how much she tries to wipe it off,

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<v Speaker 2>the blood remains, for it's a magical key. Bluebeard returns

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<v Speaker 2>from his journey that same evening. He had received letters

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<v Speaker 2>while on the road informing him his business matters were

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<v Speaker 2>concluded to his advantage. His new wife does all she

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<v Speaker 2>can to convince him she's happy of his early return.

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<v Speaker 2>The next morning, he asks for the keys, her hands

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<v Speaker 2>tremble so much he already knows she didn't obey. He

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<v Speaker 2>asks why the small key isn't among the rest. She

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<v Speaker 2>replies she does not know. He then pushes her to

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<v Speaker 2>retrieve the key.

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<v Speaker 4>Which she does.

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<v Speaker 2>When he asks why there's blood on the key, she cries,

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<v Speaker 2>paler than death. I do not know, you do not know,

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<v Speaker 2>replies blue Beard. I very well know you went into

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<v Speaker 2>the closet, did you not?

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<v Speaker 4>Very well? Madam?

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<v Speaker 2>You shall go back and take your place among the

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<v Speaker 2>ladies you saw there. The new wife begs blue Beard

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<v Speaker 2>to spare her, but he refuses. Pirot writes, she would

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<v Speaker 2>have melted a rock, so beautiful and sorrowful was she,

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<v Speaker 2>But blue Beard had a heart harder.

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<v Speaker 4>Than any rock.

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<v Speaker 2>The new wife convinces blue Beard to give her time

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<v Speaker 2>to pray before he kills her. He concedes and gives

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<v Speaker 2>her half a quarter of an hour. The new wife

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<v Speaker 2>calls up to her sister Anne, who is still at

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<v Speaker 2>the country house. She asks Anne to climb to the

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<v Speaker 2>top of the tower to see if her brothers are coming.

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<v Speaker 2>They had made plans to arrive that day, and if

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<v Speaker 2>Anne does see them, to give them a sign to

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<v Speaker 2>make haste. Three times is Anne and see a cloud

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<v Speaker 2>of dust, and three times it's not her brother's. On

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<v Speaker 2>the fourth look, Anne sees two horsemen, but there's still a.

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<v Speaker 4>Great way off.

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<v Speaker 2>Blue Beard has no more patience and balls so loudly

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<v Speaker 2>that his distressed wife comes down and throws herself at

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<v Speaker 2>his feet. He uses one hand to grab her hair

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<v Speaker 2>and hold her head back, while the other hand holds

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<v Speaker 2>a sword poise to strike her head off. As he's

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<v Speaker 2>about to kill her, there's such a loud knocking at

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<v Speaker 2>the gate that Bluebeard stops. The gate opens and the

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<v Speaker 2>two horsemen enter. Blue Beard recognizes it's his wife's two brothers,

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<v Speaker 2>one who is a dragoon and the other a musketeer,

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<v Speaker 2>and so he turns to flee to safe himself. But

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<v Speaker 2>do two brothers catch him and run their swords through him,

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<v Speaker 2>leaving his body where he dies. Since blue Beard has

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<v Speaker 2>no heirs or mistress, all his fortune goes to his

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<v Speaker 2>new wife. She uses part of it to marry her

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<v Speaker 2>sister Anne to a young gentleman who has been in

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<v Speaker 2>love with Anne for a while now. She uses another

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<v Speaker 2>part to buy captain's commissions for her brothers, and the

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<v Speaker 2>rest she uses to marry herself to a worthy gentleman,

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<v Speaker 2>who in time makes her forget blue Beard. Perrot's morals

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<v Speaker 2>are a bit heavy handed in this tale. He writes, curiosity,

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<v Speaker 2>in spite of its appeal, often leads to deep regret,

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<v Speaker 2>to the displeasure of many a maiden, Its enjoyment.

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<v Speaker 4>Is short lived.

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<v Speaker 2>Once satisfied, it ceases to exist, and always costs dearly.

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<v Speaker 2>Apply logic to this grim story, and you will ascertain

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<v Speaker 2>that it took place many years ago. No husband of

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<v Speaker 2>our age would be so terrible as to demand the

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<v Speaker 2>impossible for his wife, nor would he be such a

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<v Speaker 2>jealous malcontent. For whatever the color of her husband's beard,

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<v Speaker 2>the wife of today will let.

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<v Speaker 4>Him know who the master is.

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<v Speaker 2>On one hand, Perrot scolds women for their curiosity. On

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<v Speaker 2>the other hand, he warns against controlling jealous husbands. Robbers

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<v Speaker 2>with colorful beards aren't unusual, though, and appear in several

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<v Speaker 2>other tales. Switching back to at U nine fifty five,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a Lithuanian tale published in eighteen fifty seven titled

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<v Speaker 2>green Beard in the City. There is a wealthy merchant

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<v Speaker 2>with a beautiful daughter. The girl says she will only

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<v Speaker 2>marry a man with a green beard. In the woods

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<v Speaker 2>surrounding the city, twenty four robbers live together. The handsome

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<v Speaker 2>captain says he wants to marry this girl, so he

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<v Speaker 2>finds the dye to turn his beard green. After coloring

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<v Speaker 2>his beard, the captain rides into the city and courts

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<v Speaker 2>the merchant's daughter. She likes him so much that he

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<v Speaker 2>spends the night. The next day, plans are made for

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<v Speaker 2>her to visit him at his large mansion in the woods.

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<v Speaker 2>He gives her directions, which she follows on horseback. The

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<v Speaker 2>path becomes too narrow, so she dismounts her horse and

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<v Speaker 2>continues on foot. Soon she comes upon a small house

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<v Speaker 2>with two lions chained.

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<v Speaker 4>Near the door. When she realizes.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not doing anything, she goes inside.

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<v Speaker 4>She enters her.

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<v Speaker 2>Room with beds and flint locks hanging on the walls.

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<v Speaker 2>Flintlocks are guns that use the striking of flint to fire.

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<v Speaker 2>In the next room is a table with a bird

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<v Speaker 2>in a cage hanging from the rafter. The little bird

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<v Speaker 2>asks how she got in and tells her that robbers

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<v Speaker 2>live there. The bird also warns if she tries to

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<v Speaker 2>leave now, the lions will eat her, so she needs

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<v Speaker 2>to hide under the bed until the robbers get drunk

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<v Speaker 2>and pass out. Then as she leaves, she can throw

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<v Speaker 2>a piece of cake to each.

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<v Speaker 4>Lion and run away.

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<v Speaker 2>The girl follows the bird's advice and crawls under the bed.

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<v Speaker 2>When the robbers come home, one says it smells of

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<v Speaker 2>human flesh, but the bird makes excuses and the robbers

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<v Speaker 2>stop asking questions. The robbers have brought home a girl

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<v Speaker 2>with them. First they eat dinner, then they chop the

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<v Speaker 2>other girl into pieces, starting with her fingers. The finger

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<v Speaker 2>with the ring flies out of the carnage and lands

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<v Speaker 2>beside the girl hiding under the bed. She puts it

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<v Speaker 2>in her pocket. After the robbers drink themselves to sleep,

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<v Speaker 2>the girl comes out from under the bed, feeds the

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<v Speaker 2>bird some sugar, then feeds the lions the cake as

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<v Speaker 2>she flees. But no sooner had she started running than

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<v Speaker 2>the lions begin to roar, waking up the robbers. Knowing

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<v Speaker 2>it's the merchant's daughter, they take after her, but she's

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<v Speaker 2>already reached her horse and is riding safely home. Green

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<v Speaker 2>Beard cuts off his beard and devises the plan. He

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<v Speaker 2>orders large wagons with large barrels for his men to

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<v Speaker 2>hide in. He tells his men to stay they hidden

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<v Speaker 2>until he gives them a sign. Green Beard goes to

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<v Speaker 2>the merchant's house, pretending to be someone else. While the

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<v Speaker 2>two are talking, one of the servants overhears the men

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<v Speaker 2>whispering and the barrels and goes to tell the merchant.

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<v Speaker 2>The merchant then forces green Beard to sit with the

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<v Speaker 2>guard on each side while other men prepare to catch

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<v Speaker 2>the hidden robbers. The merchant's daughter calms down and shows

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<v Speaker 2>her father and green Beard the dead girl's finger with

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<v Speaker 2>the ring. Green Beard, knowing he's been caught, tries to run,

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<v Speaker 2>but the guards hold him down. He and all his

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<v Speaker 2>men are caught. The girl then leads people to the

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<v Speaker 2>robber's house. She keeps the little bird, the merchant keeps

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<v Speaker 2>the lions. The rest is divided among the poor, and

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<v Speaker 2>the house is burnt down. The robbers all die in prison,

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<v Speaker 2>and the merchant's daughter no longer has a desire to

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<v Speaker 2>marry a man with a green beard. One of the

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<v Speaker 2>morals is to warn women to not be so picky

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<v Speaker 2>about who they marry, But not all of these tales

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<v Speaker 2>are about marriage.

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<v Speaker 4>One of my favorites, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Perhaps the Saddest Story Ran Across from this tell type

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<v Speaker 2>is a Romanian story written by Moses Gastor published in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifteen. A poor orphan girl works as a servant

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<v Speaker 2>for a rich man. Her dearest companions a little dog

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<v Speaker 2>her parents had given her before they died. One day,

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<v Speaker 2>the head of a robber band disguises himself as a

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<v Speaker 2>servant and asks her to marry him. Feeling something sinister

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<v Speaker 2>about the man, the girl refuses. The chieftain has his

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<v Speaker 2>fellow robbers kidnapped the girl and her dog, but although

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<v Speaker 2>she is trapped in his home, the girl still refuses

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<v Speaker 2>to marry him. Fed Up, the head of the robbers

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<v Speaker 2>sells her to an innkeeper. This innkeeper robs and kills

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<v Speaker 2>travelers and then serves their flesh to his other customers.

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<v Speaker 2>Terrorizes the girl by showing her the stolen valuables, the

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<v Speaker 2>room where he murders people, and the weapons he uses

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<v Speaker 2>for his violent crimes. Later, he brings her a little

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<v Speaker 2>boy who he has captured. He cuts the little boy's

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<v Speaker 2>head off before cutting the rest of him to pieces.

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<v Speaker 2>The innkeeper then forces the girl to cook the boy's

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<v Speaker 2>flesh and serve it to the guests. Sometime later, an old, wrinkled,

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<v Speaker 2>ugly woman shows up. She's nothing but skin and bones,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe wanting to fatten her up to eat, The innkeeper

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<v Speaker 2>locks her in the room with the girl. Turns out

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<v Speaker 2>it's the innkeeper's mother who has come to punish him

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<v Speaker 2>for his wickedness. She tells a girl that to escape,

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<v Speaker 2>she has to eat a piece of her dog's heart,

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<v Speaker 2>which the girl does. Then the woman rubs ointment all

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<v Speaker 2>over the girl's body, which transforms her into a duck.

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<v Speaker 2>A little later, when the man opens the door, the

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<v Speaker 2>girl flies out to safety. The innkeeper runs from room

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<v Speaker 2>to room looking for the girl. Meanwhile, his mother mutters

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<v Speaker 2>a magic curse that causes the end to collapse, killing

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<v Speaker 2>the man at once. The girl turns around and sees

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<v Speaker 2>the ruins. She's free, but since the witch never told

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<v Speaker 2>her how to become human again, the story says, she

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<v Speaker 2>remains a duck to this very day. While each story

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<v Speaker 2>has commonalities, there are different levels of violence to them.

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<v Speaker 2>But what about the brother's grim story? As it turns out,

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't shy away from the darkness. The version of

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<v Speaker 2>the robber bridegroom you heard at the beginning of the

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<v Speaker 2>episode was from eighteen nineteen, but that's not the first

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<v Speaker 2>time they published the story. The first one, published in

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen twelve, is very different, and while most of the

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<v Speaker 2>time the Grim Brothers sanitize their stories to be more

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<v Speaker 2>appropriate for children, they didn't do that for the robber

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<v Speaker 2>bridegroom in the eighteen twelve version. Instead of a merchant's daughter,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a princess and she is set to marry a prince.

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<v Speaker 2>The prince tells her to visit him in the castle

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<v Speaker 2>in the woods. The princess says she was afraid of

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<v Speaker 2>losing her way, but the prince says he would tie

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<v Speaker 2>a ribbon to the trees to help her find her way.

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<v Speaker 2>When she runs out of excuses, the princess agrees. The

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<v Speaker 2>princess comes upon a large house the evening. She goes

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<v Speaker 2>to visit the prince and an old woman sits outside.

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<v Speaker 2>The woman says it is a good thing the princess

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<v Speaker 2>has arrived while no one else is home, because the

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<v Speaker 2>prince and his robber gang are planning on eating her.

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<v Speaker 2>The old woman tells the princess to go hide behind

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<v Speaker 2>the large barrel in the cellar. Just then, the prince

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<v Speaker 2>and robbers arrive with another old woman. This woman is

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<v Speaker 2>the princess's grandmother. The murder her. After the grandmother is dead,

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<v Speaker 2>they take off her rings, but the ring on her

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<v Speaker 2>ring finger refuses to come off, so they take a

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<v Speaker 2>knife and hack it off. The finger flies behind the

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<v Speaker 2>barrel into the princess's lap. The prince and robbers decide

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<v Speaker 2>to look for it. The next morning, after everyone falls asleep,

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<v Speaker 2>the princess sneaks out of the prince's castle and uses

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<v Speaker 2>the ribbons to find her way home in the dark.

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<v Speaker 2>She then tells her father everything. He immediately orders an

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<v Speaker 2>entire regiment to surround the castle. The prince comes to

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<v Speaker 2>visit the next day to ask the princess why she

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<v Speaker 2>didn't come to visit like she promised. Like the eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen version, she tells him about her bad dream, reveals

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<v Speaker 2>a finger, and then he and his band of.

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<v Speaker 4>Robbers are put to death.

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<v Speaker 2>Unlike other stories such as Little Red, Riding Hood and

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<v Speaker 2>Sleeping Beauty, the Brother's Graham did something a bit different

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<v Speaker 2>with this tale. They actually leaned into the elements that

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<v Speaker 2>made the robber bridegroom more horrific. That's according to a

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<v Speaker 2>paper written by a late German Studies professor in folklorist

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<v Speaker 2>Linda Krause Warley. For example, Warley argued, it's awful to

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<v Speaker 2>see your own flesh and blood be murdered, like when

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<v Speaker 2>the bride's grandmother was killed in the earlier version of

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<v Speaker 2>the story. But then when the young woman sees another

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<v Speaker 2>young woman, it's worse in the sense that it's like

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<v Speaker 2>looking into a mirror. She's seeing her own fate. Another

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<v Speaker 2>argument would be the omens of death, like the suitor

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<v Speaker 2>using ash to mark the path through the woods, and

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<v Speaker 2>even another argument is that the change from princess to

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<v Speaker 2>Miller's daughter is significant because in folk tales, Miller's were

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<v Speaker 2>usually perceived as devious and distrustful. The Robber Bridegroom has

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<v Speaker 2>been adapted numerous times since the brother's grum. Two of

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<v Speaker 2>the most well known versions are a novella by e

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<v Speaker 2>Dora Wealthy and a novel by Margaret Atwood. Eudora Welty's

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<v Speaker 2>novella The Robber Bridegroom was also adapted into a Broadway play,

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<v Speaker 2>which was staged for the first time in nineteen seventy five.

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<v Speaker 2>Margaret Atwood's nineteen ninety three novel The Robber Bride turns

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<v Speaker 2>the tail on its head. She asks the question, is

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<v Speaker 2>a bad marriage better than not being married? Doctor McNeil

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<v Speaker 2>says this theme has carried its way through time.

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<v Speaker 1>A woman has been intentionally luring three other women's husbands

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<v Speaker 1>away from them, and the implication is that she's motivated

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<v Speaker 1>by thinking maybe she's sparing them from bad marriages. The

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<v Speaker 1>fact that these men could be lured away shows that

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<v Speaker 1>their bad husbands are bad partners, and she's doing these

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<v Speaker 1>women a favor by dispatching these men from their lives.

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<v Speaker 4>And so we.

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<v Speaker 1>Start to get fairly deep questions that really do stem

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<v Speaker 1>from this original tail type nine fifty five. What is

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<v Speaker 1>the value of a bad marriage in a time when

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<v Speaker 1>women could not own property? Widows could, but women unmarried can't.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know. Maybe a bad marriage where you

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<v Speaker 1>managed to work some poisonous mushrooms into a soup, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>that's better. I don't know. I'm not advocating that as

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<v Speaker 1>a plan of action in any way. But the ways

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<v Speaker 1>that we see women extracting power from these systems that

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<v Speaker 1>disempower them are often in the background, with the help

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<v Speaker 1>of other women, and sometimes with the help of the supernatural, which,

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<v Speaker 1>of course was often an accusation turned against women in turn.

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<v Speaker 2>When I talked to doctor McNeil about this tale, another

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<v Speaker 2>way to look at the change from princess to merchant's

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<v Speaker 2>daughter is perhaps less significant.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes it's a merchant's daughter, which maybe changes the class

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<v Speaker 1>nature of this, because sometimes it's a princess, and a

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<v Speaker 1>princess who might be clever and able to save herself,

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<v Speaker 1>still has more resources than a merchant's daughter. But a

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<v Speaker 1>merchant's daughter still has more resources than someone living in poverty.

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<v Speaker 1>And this seems to be a story that we tell

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<v Speaker 1>about people above the poverty line. And that's somewhat interesting

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<v Speaker 1>that the majority of the versions would set it in

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<v Speaker 1>those two settings, either among royalty or among the merchant class,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's getting at a particular type of womanhood where

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just hey, take what you can get. You

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<v Speaker 1>are at the mercy of everyone. There is this sense

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<v Speaker 1>of choice, there is this sense of agency, there is

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<v Speaker 1>this sense of negotiation. Right there's her father wants to

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<v Speaker 1>make her a good match. He believes that this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>whether he's a prince or a bandit or another merchant

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, is going to be a good match. And

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<v Speaker 1>then suddenly we get the battle between culture and personal emotion,

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<v Speaker 1>gut instinct, all of that stuff. So we're really hearing

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<v Speaker 1>something about a level of society that has the luxury

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<v Speaker 1>of making this negotiation. If this woman were slightly lower

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<v Speaker 1>on the socioeconomic scale, the bandits would have done to

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<v Speaker 1>her what they did to their first victim, whose finger

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<v Speaker 1>flies off with the ring on it.

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<v Speaker 2>What is also different about the Robert bridegroom story from

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<v Speaker 2>other Graham tales is that it shows women looking out

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<v Speaker 2>for other women. We talked about a safety net and

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<v Speaker 2>little red riding hood when the brothers Grim added the huntsmen.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the old woman could also be viewed as

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<v Speaker 2>that same societal safety net.

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<v Speaker 1>What I love about this story is that we have

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<v Speaker 1>an equally strong theme of clever and intelligent women looking

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<v Speaker 1>out for women. The old woman in the house who

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<v Speaker 1>encourages the young girl to hide, helps her stay hidden.

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<v Speaker 1>When the men go looking for the body part that

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<v Speaker 1>flies off, she calls them back to the table and

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<v Speaker 1>is like, but don't worry about it, you can get

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<v Speaker 1>it later. Come eat dinners ready, And we see them

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<v Speaker 1>believing her, and we see the way that works out.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes that old woman's role is filled by a bird,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think is also really interesting. We see a

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<v Speaker 1>strong tie between women and birds as messengers of goodness

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<v Speaker 1>and things like that. And the young woman succeeds her,

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<v Speaker 1>they allow her to tell the story of her dream,

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<v Speaker 1>dismissing whatever she might be saying as meaningless until it's

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<v Speaker 1>too late for it to be meaningless. So we have

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<v Speaker 1>two opposing messages about the power of women in the story,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that's one of the things that has

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<v Speaker 1>made it stick around so long despite being so bizarre.

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<v Speaker 2>The Robber Bridegroom a horror story or a fairy tale

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<v Speaker 2>in the end, maybe it's a little bit of both.

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<v Speaker 2>Next time, the end is in sight as we visit

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<v Speaker 2>the absolute darkest tale of the Brother's grim in the

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<v Speaker 2>final The Deep Dark Woods is a production of School

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<v Speaker 2>of Humans and iHeart Podcasts. It was created, written, and

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<v Speaker 2>hosted by me Miranda Hawkins. This episode was produced by

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<v Speaker 2>mikeyl June with senior producer Gabby Watts. Executive producers are

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<v Speaker 2>Virginia Prescott, Brandon Barr, el C Crowley, and Maya Howard.

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<v Speaker 2>Stories were voiced by Julia Christgau. Theme song was composed

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