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Speaker 1: Welcome to move the sticks DJ and Bucky with I

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Speaker 1: am in in Florida for the East West Shrine Game.

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Speaker 1: Bucky has got the call for the NFL p A games.

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Speaker 1: Angeles h taking some of those prospects which we can

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Speaker 1: Championship Game last night. A lot of talent display in

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Speaker 1: the National Championship Game. Both teams are loaded with NFL

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Speaker 1: guys were healthy and if both guys finished the year, Like,

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Speaker 1: what does that evaluation look like? You know? When you know,

429
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Speaker 1: I think when when you watch the tape and stuff

430
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Speaker 1: like that, I think TA. I think Toa is is

431
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Speaker 1: more talented as a thrower. I think there's more twitch

432
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Speaker 1: to Toa. Like he Ta has got incredibly quick feet, quicker,

433
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 1: least quick mind, all that stuff. And I wrote down

434
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Speaker 1: when I just did some more work on him a

435
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 1: couple of days ago, and I wrote down, He's a

436
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 1: card dealer. He's like a black cat dealer. You know.

437
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 1: You watch those guys that throw the cards across the

438
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 1: table that's to um and and you know what, I

439
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 1: just I have to be careful because it's hard. We're

440
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,879
Speaker 1: not doctors, right and trying to when you're trying to

441
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 1: sequence these guys and there's medical stuff. Gosh, I hate it.

442
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 1: I hated it with Jalen Smith. I hated it with

443
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Speaker 1: Miles Jack. You know, you don't know. I don't know.

444
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,440
Speaker 1: It's it's hard. Sometimes you factored in other times you don't.

445
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 1: I just know that, man. The hip hip is scary, man,

446
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 1: it is and and and and and also like like

447
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 1: so in the world that we live in now, right,

448
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 1: everyone wants to hold you to what you say and

449
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 1: how you present the rankings and the grades. And it's

450
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Speaker 1: quite possible that both of these guys could be stars.

451
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 1: Like there's not a thing that that is that a

452
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Speaker 1: both of these guys can't be stars at the next level.

453
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Speaker 1: It could be very much a situation where they're like

454
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Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes and Desjohn Watson, you know, um, two guys

455
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 1: that are really good players that play really well in

456
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 1: their respective teams, and hey away they go, and so

457
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 1: I just think it's it's an interesting evaluation. Is one

458
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 1: of those that they will forever be tied together. Um,

459
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 1: and we'll just kind of see how it goes. I

460
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 1: do want to talk because we spent a lot of

461
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: time on Joe Burrow, and so we're going to assume

462
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Speaker 1: that Joe Burrow is gonna be the number one pick

463
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 1: in There's been a lot of assumptions about Trevor Lawrence

464
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Speaker 1: being the number one pick in one if he elects

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Speaker 1: to come out at the end of his junior season. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Quickly touched on, like, what did you think about his

467
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Speaker 1: performance against L s U The first time that I've

468
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: seen him really get rattled? I thought, you know, and

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Speaker 1: I thought he was frustrated. Um, you know, mechanically was

470
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Speaker 1: he broke down a little bit? You know, I saw

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Speaker 1: saw him overstriding, which the ball was kind of getting

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Speaker 1: away from him a little bit. Um, he saw a

473
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Speaker 1: couple he threw a couple of worm burners, which you

474
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Speaker 1: don't ever see from him. But I'll stand by this.

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Speaker 1: I was actually texting with David Carter in the game

476
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Speaker 1: or sex him back and forth, and uh, you know,

477
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Speaker 1: he was asking me about Lawrence, and I said, and

478
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Speaker 1: I'll stand by it, and we'll see what happens over

479
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: next year. Buck. Maybe maybe this is one of those

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00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: things you walk back. But I said, he's the most

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Speaker 1: talented quarterback that I've seen. And I said before Andrew

482
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Speaker 1: Luck has been that guy for me since I started scouting.

483
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 1: I've never had a higher grade on anybody and Andrew

484
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Speaker 1: Luck with what he could do, how unique he was.

485
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Speaker 1: I said, this kid's more explosive than Andrew Luck. Um,

486
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Speaker 1: he throws the ball. I would say maybe a little

487
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 1: bit more arm strength and Andrew Luck. They're both elite.

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Speaker 1: You know that, don't get me wrong. Um, But then

489
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Speaker 1: you add the intelligence, the character, all those boxes and

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Speaker 1: Andrew Luck. Check, you're gonna get the same thing with

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Speaker 1: with him. But that was his probably the worst, the

492
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Speaker 1: worst game that he's had. I mean, it's it's it's uh,

493
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Speaker 1: it is what it is because the first first loss

494
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Speaker 1: in college. No, you know, it was great. And I

495
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 1: think this weekend is really great, uh for scouts and

496
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 1: inspiring scouts. And I'll say this, um a lot of times. Uh,

497
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: we as evaluators want to make snap decisions in a vacuum.

498
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Speaker 1: We have a tendency to be very really really impacted

499
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: by the last time that we see a player at

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Speaker 1: least an impression on us, when we know in theory,

501
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: you should um evaluate the entire body of work. So

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00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 1: with Trevor Lawrence, I think we can confidently say, like, hey,

503
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Speaker 1: this is a hiccup, one that he will learn from.

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Speaker 1: You know, um, it's hard. The position that he's playing

505
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 1: is the hardest position in the game. It's the one

506
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: that receives the most attention, attention and also the most criticism.

507
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence didn't have his a game, you know, but

508
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Speaker 1: we still can recognize the talent and we can recognize

509
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Speaker 1: the special qualities that he could bring to a team

510
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Speaker 1: in the right situations. I said that about Trevor Lawrence

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Speaker 1: to also go and talk about all the conversation that

512
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Speaker 1: happened with Lamar Jackson on Saturday night. I just think

513
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 1: it's really really important that we're able to separate single

514
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: game from formancist from body your work things, and while acknowledging, hey,

515
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: guys need to get better in this area. One game

516
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: is not a damning indictment on whether a kid can

517
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Speaker 1: play or not. And I think as he evaluated as

518
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Speaker 1: we continue to keep growing in the business. I just

519
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 1: it's important to keep all of those things in perspective.

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Speaker 1: For me, I'm excited to see Trevor lawrence first game

521
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Speaker 1: next year because I want to see, well, what is

522
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: the bounce back, how does he respond to this game,

523
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Speaker 1: how does he eat of them in the off season,

524
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Speaker 1: and how does it feel him to take his game

525
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Speaker 1: to the next level. I believe the charge of game

526
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: uh in last year's playoffs affected Lamar Jackson to the

527
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Speaker 1: point that he came back. He responded how in an

528
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Speaker 1: m v P fashion. So as we're looking at these players, man,

529
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Speaker 1: the response from critical errors, that's what I want to see.

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Speaker 1: I live for those moments in the evaluation because I

531
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Speaker 1: want to see how do people respond when at their

532
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: quote unquote lois because I think they literally gives you

533
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: an indicator on how are they going to be able

534
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: to handle all the pressures that come along. We've been

535
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: the franchise quarterback at the highest level. Well we we uh.

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00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 1: We talked about it with Matt rule Um, new head

537
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: coach of the Carolina Panthers. And remember Matt said, um,

538
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: football adversity, right, you know, we talked about guys that

539
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: have changed, had to change positions, guys that have been

540
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: red shirted, um, guys that have had injuries, you know,

541
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 1: you know, whatever it happens. He wants to see how

542
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: you respond to football adversity. Lamar Jackson. What a great example, buck, Um.

543
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: You know that playoff game against the Chargers. Everybody was like, okay,

544
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: well figure this out. So you know, here we go

545
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: the rest of the league and figure this thing out,

546
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: and then he goes rattles off fourteen and two. He's

547
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: gonna be the league MVP tells you a lot about

548
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 1: him as a dude. Um, how he responded to football adversity.

549
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: This is Trevor Lawrence. That really first time right, first

550
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: time football adversity. Yea, Um, but I did not leave

551
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: that game last night, Buck going, oh boy, I'm off

552
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: on him even play as well. A freak talent, look

553
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: freak freak talent, big big body, playmaker, guy that can

554
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: can make all the throws and look DJ, It's probably

555
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: better for him to take a loss in college before

556
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: he got to the pros, because at least I have

557
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,719
Speaker 1: an indication of, hey, how he may respond. Imagine if

558
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: he had gone unbeaten the entire way through when he

559
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: comes to the end of his junior year. He's never lost,

560
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: He's only lost one time in high school. How do

561
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: we know how he's going to handle adversity when it

562
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: hit when he's never when we haven't visual evidence of

563
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: him having to overcome challenges or obstacles in those things. So,

564
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: in anything, this is a bit of a blessing in

565
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: disguise for him. He gets an opportunity to come back

566
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: and really write a great quote unquote comeback story coming

567
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: off of the hills and the loss. Because you could

568
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: tell his postgame presser it ate a way of him

569
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: that at ate away at him that he was not

570
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: able to deliver in customary fashion, the way that he's

571
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: always been able to do. I definitely think that coming

572
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: into that game, L s U was a more confident team,

573
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: you know, and I know Dabbos his humble so but man,

574
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: when you can see that even the interviews before the game, Um,

575
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: it wasn't just a matter of time. That felt like

576
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: when you talk to L s U, like, let's this

577
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: is they already had that game one. You know, there's

578
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: a different level of confidence there with that group as

579
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: a better team. You know, we both I think we

580
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: both picked Clemson. I know I picked Clemson. Yeah, I

581
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: pick Clemson because I thought I thought the experience was something.

582
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: And when they came in and hit him with the

583
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: haymaker uh and it was seventeen seven, I was like, whoa.

584
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: But the response And I think also, like we talked

585
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: about those moments when you want to see quarterbacks in

586
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: the football diversity. To me, the game last night against Clemson,

587
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: to me, that's kind of the cherry on top of

588
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: the Joe Burrow Sunday because it's the first time that

589
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: I've seen his team rocked and having to take a

590
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: standing eight count and then they came back with a

591
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: like a ferocious comeback. Speaks volumes about his toughness, his grid,

592
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: his resiliency. That's what we're always looking for any valuation process.

593
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to see when it's perfect. Show me

594
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: what is light when it's broken? Can you fix it?

595
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: And he was able to fix it? I know where

596
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: you know you're a big m M A guy. Yeah,

597
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: it reminded me a little bit. Do you remember because

598
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,959
Speaker 1: John Jones was wrecking everybody? Oh yeah, and then remember

599
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: Gustufson took him into the deep water and they oh yeah,

600
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: and I think he might have hurt his toe or

601
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: like yeah, and also never was like okay, not only

602
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: like the most skilled fighter, but like that, dude, he's

603
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: got something in the tank. Like that was a gut

604
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: check there, Yeah, something to that, very very much. So,

605
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: like we talked so much about like and look the

606
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: thing that we did with the team building uh podcast,

607
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: and we were talking about culture and talking to all

608
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: the different coaches and even putting coaches outside of it

609
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: because we talked to Tom Crean. The one thing that

610
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: was the common denominator from everybody toughness, mental and physical.

611
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: The performers that we got from Joe Burrow last night,

612
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: we saw mental and physics called toughness because he took

613
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: up pounding. But he still responded and any of you

614
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: responded today adversity. I mean, you just continue to keep

615
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: checking off the boxes. That's exactly what you're supposed to

616
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: do when you're an elite prospect. And he's done that.

617
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: All right. Let's get to a couple of the guys

618
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: in that game. Jamaar Chase, I thought was probably the

619
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: was the second best player on the football field inside

620
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: of Burrow with what he did and we'll get a

621
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: chance and we'll get a chance to dig into him

622
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: next year. But in terms of like some of the

623
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: guys that are that are drafted eligible, buck um, I

624
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: thought Isaiah Simmons oh Man talking about I was checkt

625
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: him with the GM last night and we and uh,

626
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: he said, uh, this is a what is it? What

627
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: was the exact phrase I'm trying to say, Um, you

628
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: know what. I could even look it up on my phone,

629
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: but it was like, this is the that's the new

630
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: wave football player. Man, Like, that's that's what you have

631
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: to have. That's that's you have to have at least

632
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: one he said, Yeah, he said new age football. That's

633
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: what he said. And that is that I was even

634
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: thinking about it from the standpoint of you know, we

635
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,959
Speaker 1: talked about the importance of we'll be We'll get into

636
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: this in a minute, but the line quarterback play being

637
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: the two big deals here when you look at any

638
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: level football, those are the you have a great de

639
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: line a great quarterback, You're gonna win a lot of

640
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Speaker 1: football games. But I think as we see the game

641
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: continue to growing up, all man versatility and athleticism and

642
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: explosiveness in a package like that, I see it, you know,

643
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: doing the charging games with a guy like Derwin James.

644
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: This guy allows you to do so many different things.

645
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: So what a special player look? Special players, special athlete.

646
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: I think, if anything, the playoffs have actually enhanced his

647
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: stock um in the draft. What he was able to

648
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: do in the first game against Ohio State in the

649
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: semifinals where you basically played deep safety, I think that

650
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: showed a level of versatility that maybe everyone didn't know

651
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: that he had. And then his ability in the LSU

652
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: game to just be all over the place and the

653
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: liver in a variety of different ways. When we think

654
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: about the top safeties or defensive playmakers in the league,

655
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: and I think he'll probably be positioned as one of

656
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: those safety types or whatever. Look at what during James

657
00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: has been able to do. Look at the way that

658
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: the New York Jets deployed Jamal Adams, even though they

659
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: have different different games and body types. But think about

660
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: Jamal being in the box, blitzing, being in coverage, doing

661
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: those things. You have to have on every defense at

662
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: least one elite level Swiss Army Knife type player. And

663
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: so when we think about building a team, because ideally

664
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Speaker 1: you're building a team that can compete for champions for

665
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: year on in. You have to have one guy that

666
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: can do it. He certainly has that kind of athleticism,

667
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: that kind of skills and versatility to be able to

668
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: do a lot for a defense. It just comes down

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Speaker 1: to the creativity of the defensive coordinator when it comes

670
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,719
Speaker 1: to how do you deploy them, how do you utilize them?

671
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: No doubt, Um, the the other couple other guys jump

672
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: into here. I'll just give you a kind of I'll

673
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: give you a snapshot evaluation from what I saw watching

674
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: the TV copy of that game, and then it goes

675
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: a onng with what we've seen on the tape. Um,

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00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: justin Jefferson, toughness, ability to work in traffic. We Buck,

677
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: We've been beating the drum. Right route runners, Um, polished

678
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: route runners with toughness. That's what plays in the NFL.

679
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: Right now, receiver Chuck and Jefferson boom check those boxes. Uh,

680
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: Clyde Edwards a layer to me, He's like a Ray

681
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: Rice clone a little bit shorter. Um, but just he's

682
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 1: so hard to tackle. He's great in the passing game.

683
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: I think he's a classic second round type back. Um.

684
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: You look at Um the corners. I thought was a

685
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: rough one though, Man Christian Fulton, I gotta come down

686
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: a little bit. I love the kid, um, but buck,

687
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: he's when you don't have a lot of juice and

688
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: then you struggle to play the ball, that's a bad combination. Uh,

689
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: And that was his his issue in that game. And

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00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: then I also thought on the other side, um A J. Terrell,

691
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: another player I liked. He uh so, yeah that was tough. Yeah, yeah,

692
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: a tough time. And I think with um both of

693
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: these games, it's a terrific game to watch cornerback play

694
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: because like just just think about how Accuda played those

695
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: guys and how he mashed up and how um he

696
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: was able to be in control and make plays, and

697
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: it didn't look like they overwhelmed him. In fact, it

698
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 1: looked like he imposed his will on the Clempson receivers

699
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: in their semifinal matchup. And so when you're judging it

700
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: on that kind of standard and that kind of skill, yeah,

701
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: some of those concerns did show up, fault of not

702
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: being able to necessarily run and make players on the ball,

703
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 1: and ball skills are such up and under rated quality

704
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: when you come to the evaluation like just being able

705
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: to play the ball in the air, whether you intercept it,

706
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: knock it down, or whatever. But just being able to

707
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: play the ball in the air, there's a value to that,

708
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: and so many defensive backs struggle and panic at the

709
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: moment of truth that when you do find someone who

710
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: is able to do it, who's able to keep his

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00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,959
Speaker 1: man uner of control, who can have display the athleticism

712
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: to run with these the catholetes on the perimeter, man,

713
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: it's it says a lot about him. And so, yeah,

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00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: the ball skills were concerning when I looked at both

715
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: of those guys playing, no doubt if the room was

716
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw this, but I tweeted

717
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 1: that h Randy Moss's kid, that is Moss. Gosh. He

718
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: reminds me of like a little slimmer version of your

719
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: Main Wiggins. Remember him, Oh bad body? Yeah, bad body

720
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: was with us with the Carolina Pathers. And it's one

721
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: of those things like the reason we called your main

722
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: Wiggans bad bodies because if you ever saw him, like,

723
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: it's not the nicest body is definitely not. He's not.

724
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: He's not a DK Metcalf type where you're like a

725
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: body beautiful he is a bad body, and I think

726
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: sometimes he would go to weigh ins with a bag

727
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: of chips in his hand, like I mean, he just

728
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: he just owned who he was. However, when it came

729
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: to playing man, that guy could make plays, he could

730
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: get open, he could do some things, and that is Moss,

731
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: the last half of the man. He kind of kind

732
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: of made a name for himself, kind of got in

733
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: the mix, and he catches the ball really naturally, and

734
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: there there's going to be something to him and what

735
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: he is able to do at this level and the

736
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: next level, no doubt. Um. He actually retweeted it and said,

737
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: tag Brandy Moss. I forgot. Obviously they played together in Minnesota. Yeah,

738
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 1: he was a fan. He took it as a compliment,

739
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 1: so he he liked the comparison. That's pretty funny. That's

740
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 1: pretty funny. Yeah, But no, it was it was really, really,

741
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: really good comparison. And I think it's one of those

742
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: things like, look, man, you're always looking for those kind

743
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: of things, and you're looking for comparisons. You're looking for

744
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: how a guy could project to the next level, and so, um,

745
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: it's terrific. I mean a lot of talent on display,

746
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: I'm very, very impressed with both teams. Really impressed with

747
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: the skilled players on L s U. Man because they

748
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: make the game appear so easy for Joe Burrow, their

749
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: ability to not only just win and win in the

750
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage and make these big plays, but their

751
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: ability to make these run and catch explosives, uh short passes,

752
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: big games that they can do all of that. But

753
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: back to Burrow, I don't know if I've seen anybody

754
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: who was as fearless as Man. You know what, if

755
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna go one on one, I'm taking the shot

756
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: and he lets it go because the the fifth yard

757
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: don did he delivered um to Jamaar Chase when he

758
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: saw one on one coverage. I was like, WHOA, Like,

759
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: you know what's funny. You know what's funny the tell

760
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 1: that he has buck um. So we know what Breeze

761
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: When Breeze would cocks his head up, you know, Freeze

762
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: getting ready to go down the field. When he cocks

763
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: his head up. With Joe Burrow, his front shoulder, he

764
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: kind of he puts his front shoulder up, he drops

765
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 1: his back shoulder because to get the loft on the ball,

766
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: he likes to kind of tilt his shoulders, and so

767
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: you can tell, and there's a couple. There was probably

768
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: a handful of times where you knew he wanted to

769
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: go now feel so bad and you see him tilt

770
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: his shoulders and then it's like it's not there. I'll

771
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: come away with it. But it's fascinating to watch him

772
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 1: because he is he you know, there's we we talked about.

773
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: We talked about With a lot of quarterbacks in the NFL,

774
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: it gets frustrating sometimes these guys are reading you know,

775
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: low to high, you know, and not this dude. Man,

776
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: he he is gonna read high to low. If there

777
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: is ever an opportunity to take a shot, he is

778
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: going to attack. And I can appreciate that. And I

779
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: also can appreciate, like I believe um and you notice,

780
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: being a quarterback, the back shoulder throw is hard throw.

781
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: And in hearing Joe Yeah and hearing Joe Burrow said, look,

782
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: if they're not looking back, I'm taking this shot. I

783
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: am throwing it because I know they can't defend it.

784
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: And his ability to consistently make that back show to

785
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: throw its look. It's something that reminds me of Aaron Rodgers.

786
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: And I would say this Aaron Rodgers. This year hasn't

787
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,919
Speaker 1: been the same. But if you go back to really

788
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: when he was at his prime, when he's played at

789
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: his best, the back show to throw has been the

790
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: Packer's biggest weapon. If Joe Burrow can continue to have

791
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: that in his bag. You talk about Greg Maddox being

792
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 1: able to paint the corners. That is Joe Burrows outside

793
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: corner pitch like it's it's the one that hits the

794
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: black for the strike, um for the strikeout where the

795
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: batter is kind of caught holding his back. It's such

796
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: a great call. Uh. Unfortunately for Joe Burrow he didn't

797
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: have to face Tony gwinn thing. Tony went on Greg Maddox,

798
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: who's doing one ever ever doing against him? Um, all right, Buck,

799
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: let's go through these playoff teams real quick here. This

800
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: is just a quick exercise, um, because we've got four

801
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: teams left. And why I've a chance to talk a

802
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: lot about this coming out of the games next week

803
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: when we're together down in Mobile. But from a team

804
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: building standpoint, we did last year kind of our our

805
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: championship foundation and it was a fun I think we

806
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: did this on path too. We gotta do that again.

807
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: Let's do that again this year on pass. Put some

808
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: of these teams through this exercise. I think it's really

809
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: a good look at these teams. But the formula here

810
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: it is one quarterback, two pass rushers could be anywhere

811
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: on the d line. Just two pass rushers. Three offensive playmakers,

812
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: you know, a combination of a tight end, receiver, running back,

813
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 1: any anyway you want. But three offensive playmakers. Three defensive

814
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: playmakers mean the non defensive lineman. Just three guys that

815
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: can really impact plays from the linebacker and secondary total,

816
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: and then three quality offensive linement. That was kind of like, okay, man,

817
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 1: you've got all that, You're you're in a pretty good spot.

818
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: So so why don't we run through these, uh, these

819
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: final four teams here and see where they are? You

820
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: want to Yeah, let's do it. DJ I'm gonna say

821
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 1: because I I did a little cheating. When we get

822
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: down to it, it is really fascinated and there's some

823
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: stark contrast from for some of these teams that are

824
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 1: in the final four when it comes to the championship

825
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: foundation based on how we look at it, who you want, Well,

826
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,439
Speaker 1: let's go. You tell me you start where you want? Okay,

827
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 1: let's start. Let's start in the NFC, and let's start

828
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: with the San Francisco forty. And I kind of stretched

829
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: it out a little bit with the defensive playmakers, but

830
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: let's go so quarterback check Jimmy Garoppolo. Three offensive playmakers

831
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: I listed, and I mean like they had a couple

832
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: of different guys as you go, but I put George Kittle, Um,

833
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 1: I have Deepo Samuel listed as a playmaker. And then

834
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: and then I'm torn because I think there are three

835
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: other guys in the backfield that could be there. Because

836
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: you have Tevin Coleman, you have Monstered, and then you

837
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: have um the full back. Yeah yeah, Like I mean,

838
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: like so all of those guys kind of qualify for

839
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: being able to be including the category or so maybe

840
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: if you make some of those like worth a half

841
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: a point, their qualified. The old lineman at the top

842
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: I had had Joe Staley and I had a clinch.

843
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: I don't know which of the interior guys would qualify,

844
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 1: but but it doesn't really matter. Uh. Yeah, Thomason's Thomasons Town.

845
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 1: I mean, he's the first round pick for a reason,

846
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: and he's been a good player there for them. Yes,

847
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: he has been in that system. He certainly has. Um

848
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: two pass rushers, I mean Bosa DeForrest Buckner. I put

849
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: an astroid by D four because you can throw him

850
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: in there. Um their defensive playmakers, Richard Sherman, I mean

851
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: you also, I mean Gosh buck the Eric Armstead. I mean,

852
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: so they got they got the four passed rushers or whatever,

853
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: and in three defensive playmakers, Like however you want to

854
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: slice it, I have Richard Sherman, had Fred Warner, and

855
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 1: then I know that Kwan Alexander prior to Andrey also

856
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: made plays. So if you tally it up, and I'm

857
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: looking like one to three, four or five, six, seven, eight,

858
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: nineteen eleven fifteen guys there, that's not even County Emmanuel Sanders.

859
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: Who you know, right, Who's another Who's another player? Okay?

860
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 1: So now, like, was there anybody that you felt like

861
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: I left off? You said? Okay, So now when I

862
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: go to the Green Bay package, like this is like

863
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: kind of tricky for me, right because I have Aaron

864
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: Rodgers as a quarterback. Uh, the three playmakers, I have

865
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: two solids in terms of Aaron Jones and Davante Adams. Yeah,

866
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: I don't know who the third guy is is that

867
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham? Um, right, right, So I can't say that

868
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: there's another one in there. I don't think Geronimo Allison

869
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 1: is at that point, um Marcus v So, so I'm

870
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: kind of short on that. Then when I go too.

871
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: Then when I go to the offensive line, Uh, Botari

872
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: I have at left tackle, um Bulaga is always hurt

873
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: and I don't know if he plays it at level.

874
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: Then you have Billy Yeah, Elton Jenkins. Okay, so we

875
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: can we can put him in there as a rookie. Um.

876
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: But then I look Corey Lindsay, Billy Turner. I mean,

877
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: I don't you know, I don't know. I'm not all

878
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: the way. Yeah. So then I go to defense. Uh,

879
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: Zadarius Smith, Zadarius Smith, Preston Smith. Both of those guys

880
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: have played really well. H Kenny Clark has been a

881
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: player that has been a dominant player on the inside. Uh.

882
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: When I go to the defensive playmakers though, Um Alexander,

883
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: I have jrr Alexander, I have Adrian Amos, but I

884
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 1: don't feel so so so when I look at the Packers,

885
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: they feel like a notch below what I sense from

886
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: the San Francisco Ford and Honors. Then the regular season

887
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: when they matched up, the San Francisco forty Niners play

888
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 1: like they have significantly better talent in pieces than the

889
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers. What's your take on the Packers. Yeah,

890
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: Blake Martinez a good player, but he I mean again,

891
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: we're not Blake Martinez, is not Fred Warner, he is

892
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: not Kwan Alexander. Like that's a different level. Um, But

893
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: that's what I'm with you. I think they're a little

894
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: bit light there. I think they probably need one more,

895
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: you know, top shelf offensive lineman. I definitely think they

896
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: need more firepower. They need another playmaker, you know, to

897
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: go around the running back and the receiver. I don't

898
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: put Jimmy Graham in that in that category. He's not

899
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: he's not. He's not. He's not there, like and so

900
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 1: you're being generous. So when you're looking at it, like,

901
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: guys that we feel really good about one, two, three,

902
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: four or five, six, seven, eight? They have eight. We

903
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:50,439
Speaker 1: talked about the Niners, haven the Packers have eight. Yeah

904
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: there you go. So, um, all right, jump over to

905
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: the AFC here. Okay, so jump over to the a

906
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: f C and let's talk about the Tennessee Titans, and look, man,

907
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: you're or you're a conversation talking about the Tennessee Titans

908
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: being built like the early two thousand Patriots. I am

909
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: in full agreement. Uh, let's go to their team and

910
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: the way they constructed. Quarterback Ryan Tannehill led the league

911
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: in passer rating, so he gets in there. Offensive playmakers,

912
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: I have Derrick Henry, I have a J. Brown, and

913
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: after a J. Brown, I'm kinda torn on who I

914
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: should include in that category. Corey Davis and Shanson flashes.

915
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: John new Smithson flashes, but I don't know if they

916
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: Felpi would probably be my next No, no, I take

917
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: that back. You know what Johnny Smith, John Smith, J

918
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: Smith will be that guy. Yeah. So so that that

919
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: is where I was torn, Like, hey, who's who's the

920
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: third guy? Is it? Whatever? So we'll we'll put John

921
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: new Smith. So John new Smith qualifies. Offensive line play. Um,

922
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: Taylor Lawan has been good for them. Um, I have

923
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: Staffold in there and the Cocklin. Uh I haven't. There

924
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,479
Speaker 1: is his first round pick. He hasn't played to that level,

925
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: but he's just been okay. Inside, they have Ben Jones

926
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: and Nate Davis. You know Ben Jones good good Nate Davis,

927
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 1: you know, you're excited about what he can become. I

928
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: put them in the good category, but I wouldn't say

929
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: like three top shelf. So so what they have they

930
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 1: have they have to in those pass rushers. Um it's

931
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: funny or into alignment or whatever, um Gerl Casey and

932
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: I put Jeffrey Simmons in there right away because they

933
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: have been a dominant defense since he has come back,

934
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: like since he joined the party. They have been really

935
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: really good defensive. Yeah. Yeah, Harold Andry has has been

936
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: has been really good. So we put him in there,

937
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: so that gives them, uh, three guys that we can

938
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: kind of throw in there, uh to make it happen.

939
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: Defensive playmakers have buyered. And then I put Sean Evans

940
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: really good. You know, outside of that, they have some

941
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: good players. Logan Ryan has been good. Can't even Harrold

942
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: has been good. A Dory Jackson. Yeah, so they have

943
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: good not necessarily like special, right, and so we tally

944
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: them off. I mean they're still qualified one to three, four, five, six, seven,

945
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: eight eleven. So they're in there and with the possibles,

946
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: that pushes them to the twelve mark. The Kansas City

947
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 1: Chiefs and the kand City Chiefs are funny because they're

948
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: a little more one sided when it comes to where

949
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: they're heavy quarterback check uh, Tyry tyreek Kill, Travis Kelsey. Uh.

950
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: This is interesting because the third playmaker I kind of

951
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: had a split between Sammy Watkins and Ko Hartman. Miko

952
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: Harderman kind of gets it because of the pump return

953
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: kick return thing being a do He's dominant in that

954
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: aspect and he makes plays. He stepped in for Tybrik

955
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: Hill when Tybrik Kill wasn't there and was really really solid,

956
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 1: so he goes. I don't know what to put Sammy

957
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 1: Watkins in, but I put a lot of astric by

958
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: his name, like because he could be sometimes we've seen

959
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: him flash at times. Would rely I think I would

960
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 1: rely more on Damien Williams than than uh than uh Sammy.

961
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: You know, Sammy just you know, it's just been injuries

962
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: and productions just kind of inconsistent and all that. But

963
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 1: Damian Williams okay. So then Lineman uh, Mitchter sports, and

964
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: then I put Eric Fisher. I'm not love with Fisher,

965
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: but you know, but like so so that's the thing.

966
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: So I have sports, but like the tough thing DJ.

967
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: Like when I look at the other stuff, I don't

968
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,760
Speaker 1: know if I love anything else on their offensive line.

969
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: Like you have Andrew Wiley, you have Austin Righter, you

970
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: have l T L d T. I mean, I mean, yeah, yeah,

971
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: ld T is are good. I would say I would

972
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 1: put Schwartz and uh and and new Rena tardif I

973
00:49:55,960 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: think would be there too. So yeah, so so so

974
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: you have two and a half. Yeah Fisher I've seen,

975
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: I've just seen. Yeah, I know, just annihilate him every

976
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: time he plays against him. But yeah, so so then

977
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: pass rushers Chris Jones, Frank Frank Clark, check check check.

978
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: But the defensive playmakers, I only have one. I have

979
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: any badger. That's it. I couldn't find anybody else. And

980
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: so I mean you've got like good you know, Anthony Hitchins,

981
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: good player, Um, Kendall Ford good player. But yeah, like

982
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 1: like good not quite does this? I mean this this

983
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: to me, this exercise, I mean, great job putting that

984
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: all together. Um it points to San Francisco, right, I mean,

985
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: and it really points to San Francisco taken onto Tennessee Titans.

986
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: If we go by the rubric in the formula, because

987
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: if we go by it, that's how it should match

988
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: up in terms of like how do they do it? Yeah,

989
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: so it points to the same just go forty nine

990
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: and should be the prohibitive favor to win the Super Bowl. Absolutely, yeah,

991
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that's gonna happen. And the other thing too,

992
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: you've got to look at is at Mahomes. I mean there,

993
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: how many does account? How many does how many players

994
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: does Fat Mahomes account for the best player at the

995
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: most important position? And really, truthfully, if we stack them

996
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: right with the way it was in order, you'd go

997
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: a quarterback and then two pass rushers, and I would

998
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: put if you're doing a three on three tournament, I

999
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: would I would take Chiefs because I would take Mahomes,

1000
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: Chris Jones of Frank Clark, and we don't when we

1001
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: run the court. Oh, three on three that is a

1002
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: good thing. If we were going three on three with

1003
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 1: a quarterback and two pass rushers in the tournament, which

1004
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: threesome would you take? Yep, that's a good one. I'll

1005
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 1: take that. I'll take that. I'll take my chances. He

1006
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: can be keening of the court. NBA jam just get

1007
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: him hot jeez, that's a good one. I like that one.

1008
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: Three on three. That was fun, man. I wasn't going

1009
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: to touch on some of the guys I've seen that

1010
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 1: here in the East West, but like we've we've run

1011
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: a little bit long here, so let's save that for

1012
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 1: for our next chat when we're together in Mobile. I

1013
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,439
Speaker 1: kind of recap what I've seen here at the East

1014
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 1: West preview, what we're we're looking at there at the

1015
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, and have some fun with that. But um,

1016
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 1: any other things you want to get too, buck before

1017
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: we get out of here. No, that was great, man.

1018
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: I think I'll continue to build upon that that foundation,

1019
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: because I think that is a great way to look

1020
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: at the team building scenarios. That is and that is.

1021
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: You know what the funny is that I'm doing this.

1022
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: I'm doing this uh episode in my hotel room in Tampa,

1023
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: and I've got this little microphone attached to my phone

1024
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: and I'm just walking around my hotel room when I'm

1025
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: doing this, So I God, I think I like walking

1026
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: around and podcasting at the same time. This guy I

1027
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: figured out, wait, how to do this? This is also okay.

1028
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: So just to let you in on a on a

1029
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: dirty little secrets. When I was over in London and

1030
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: we were podcasting, I was doing the same thing. I

1031
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: was walking around the flat just kind of working and talking. Yeah,

1032
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 1: just kind of walking around and talking. I felt like

1033
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: I was doing a ted talk. I was just going

1034
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: back and forth and and doing doing all those things

1035
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: like the mic. So yeah, I like with the little

1036
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: air pods and stuff that I had, Like that's that's

1037
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: what I felt like. I'm just hey, I'm just walking

1038
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: and talking. True story. True story. So I was this

1039
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 1: is a couple of years back, but I got offered

1040
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: a job in the league, and UH was in the

1041
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: process trying to just sort out what was the right

1042
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: decision for for me and my family and UH, and

1043
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: so I had been, you know, on the phone with

1044
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 1: this team all day long, on the phone with you know,

1045
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: on the I have a football agent that kind of

1046
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 1: handles the football thing, and you've got your broadcasting agent

1047
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: handles broadcasting. So I've got these three different conversations kind

1048
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: of going on the whole day. And I think it

1049
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: was in UH. I was at Senior Bowl. So it

1050
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: was a day off at the Senior Bowl and mobile

1051
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: and so I looked at my phone at the end

1052
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: of the day, I had walked close to six miles buck.

1053
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: I did not leave my hotel room. Oh man, you're

1054
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: really pasting it out patient that thing out man. I

1055
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: was like, this just shows you you don't need to

1056
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Speaker 1: go to the gym to get a workout, man, just

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Speaker 1: walk around your hotel room. That anyway that it's not fun.

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Speaker 1: I like, I like little walk and talk here. No,

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Speaker 1: I think this is good man. And I think as

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Speaker 1: we continue to kind of stretch this stuff out and

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Speaker 1: continue to think about team building, building the ultimate team,

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Speaker 1: which is what every general managing executive wants to do.

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Speaker 1: I think there are different ways to look at it,

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Speaker 1: but it is clear and apparent that you have to

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Speaker 1: have high end talent to be able to win in

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Speaker 1: the league. And we're seeing from these four teams it happens.

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Speaker 1: We're seeing in the college game that you have to

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Speaker 1: add premier dues to win games, and all of these

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Speaker 1: teams had premier dues, no doubt. Uh. Well that was fun, man.

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Speaker 1: It's it's great to catch up with you have fun

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Speaker 1: at the NFL p A game. Both these games you

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Speaker 1: can catch on NFL Network on Saturday. I think East

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Speaker 1: West is up first. East West East East West is

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Speaker 1: up first. I think, uh, you guys are rocking and

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Speaker 1: rolling at one o'clock and I think we follow at

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Speaker 1: seven o'clock Eastern time. Okay, there you go, so be

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Speaker 1: on the lookout for those two games. It is draft season.

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Speaker 1: I love this time of year. Um, it's a it's

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun. And if you're new to our podcast,

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Speaker 1: trust me, this is the this is the good time

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Speaker 1: of here. Man. We have a lot of fun during

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Speaker 1: the regular season. I think we put it put out

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Speaker 1: some some good stuff. But hopefully we we take our

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Speaker 1: game to another level as we get to the spring.

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Speaker 1: Oh for sure, man, I'm looking forward to it all right. Well,

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Speaker 1: thanks thanks to the Bills for producing doing a great

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Speaker 1: job back there, Mark Brady for pulling this whole thing together.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to Jordan Palmer. We didn't get a chance

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Speaker 1: to uh to get to the sound bite, but we

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Speaker 1: were going to give him some love because he came

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Speaker 1: on the show in September and called his shot with

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow having a big year. Um, so we we

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Speaker 1: do want to give we like to give credit. Were

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Speaker 1: credits to Doe. Jordan called that one. So we'll have

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Speaker 1: a chance to talk to him about that as we

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Speaker 1: go up to the draft process. But anyway, that's gonna

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Speaker 1: do it for us. Thank you guys so much for

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Speaker 1: listening to move to six. We'll catch you next time.