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Speaker 1: This is the Buck Sexton Show, where the mission or

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Speaker 1: mission is to decode what really matters with actionable intelligence.

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Speaker 1: Make no mistake, you're a great American. Again the Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show begins. No, Welcome to the Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 1: This is Harlan Hill back in filling in for Buck

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Speaker 1: while he's on a signment down at the border. And

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Speaker 1: as always I want to thank him for trusting me

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Speaker 1: with him his microphone. Tonight and on this Tuesday, the

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Speaker 1: fifteenth of January twenty nineteen. God do we have a

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Speaker 1: lot of ground to cover. There's lots of breaking news

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Speaker 1: from the confirmation hearing on the Hill today for the

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Speaker 1: incoming Attorney General William Barr, to this critical Brexit vote

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Speaker 1: and much more. I mean, this week and this year

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Speaker 1: really is off to a blistering start. But to start

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Speaker 1: the show, I wanted to address the Democrats who elected

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Speaker 1: to go to Puerto Rico to play on the beach

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Speaker 1: and drink with lobbyists instead of getting to work for you,

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Speaker 1: instead of working to get the government back up and running.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk to them directly. Shame on you, guys,

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Speaker 1: Shame on you guys. President Trump, the President of the

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Speaker 1: United States, has been sitting in the Oval office through

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Speaker 1: the holidays. He didn't go spend time with his family.

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Speaker 1: He didn't leave Washington like you guys did through the

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Speaker 1: new year too, well, Yo, were gallivan all over the country.

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Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? You guys are still doing it.

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Speaker 1: You're going to Puerto Rico on the beach. I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: of syndatam Anendez, that criminal on the beach hanging out

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Speaker 1: I mean, this guy's out of control. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you've read anything about him, you know at least she

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Speaker 1: was of age. While they're playing politics, while these Democrats

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Speaker 1: are playing politics politics, they just want to blame the

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Speaker 1: president for this shutdown entirely, while they won't make the

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Speaker 1: smallest compromise, These congressional Democrats won't the smallest compromise to

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Speaker 1: get this thing back up and running again, to get

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Speaker 1: eight hundred thousand Americans, eight hundred thousand government workers their paychecks,

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Speaker 1: including TSA workers, including air traffic controllers, including Secret Service agents.

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Speaker 1: They're playing politics with these people's lives, all while they

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Speaker 1: blame the President who's sitting there waiting, and even today

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Speaker 1: Congressional Democrats refuse. They're boycotting meeting at the White House.

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Speaker 1: They don't want to talk about it anymore. All he's

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Speaker 1: wanting is a measly five billion dollars. And in the

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Speaker 1: context of all the money that Democrats just flushed down

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Speaker 1: the drain all the time and have for decades, they

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Speaker 1: can't cough this up for a real solution to a

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Speaker 1: crisis at the border. Are you kidding me? I'm sure

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Speaker 1: imagine what he's seeing right now. But this problem is

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Speaker 1: out of control. These Democrats returned from their holiday in

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Speaker 1: Puerto Rico over the weekend. They said they were working,

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Speaker 1: beach and the bar and everything else. Not to make

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Speaker 1: a deal. No, they returned to the Hill to viciously

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Speaker 1: that's despite the fact that mister Barr on the Hill

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Speaker 1: today pledge to allow the Muller probe to move forward

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Speaker 1: and to be reported, the findings of the Muller probe

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Speaker 1: to be reported without any interference by him or the

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Speaker 1: So I wanted to play a clip from it today

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Speaker 1: rules and the law. See a case where the president

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Speaker 1: could claim executive privilege. In theory, if if there was

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Speaker 1: the US versus Nixon, and mister Giuliani said the president

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Speaker 1: You commit that would not happen. If you're attorney in general,

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Speaker 1: that will not happen. Joining me now to discuss is

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Speaker 1: to take issue with you. This is not a circus

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Speaker 1: raided democrats. This is about power and that's what it is. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: here's a mistake here. Well, and so to clarify that

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Speaker 1: what was your read on mister Barterday, I mean, how

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Speaker 1: There was no way he come there and say no,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to stop the Muller investigation this minute. In fact,

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Speaker 1: for all of us who support Trump, that would not

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Speaker 1: they interfered with me. I really had all this stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it just drives me crazy. Pat Lahy who

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Speaker 1: I mean, when you were you were talking about the Democrats,

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Speaker 1: the mainstream media to be complicit. That's that's what it's

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Speaker 1: I mean, this story, this story is bizarre. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what's going on there, but that's a

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Speaker 1: far cry from what the headlines are leading people to

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Speaker 1: of KGB SPI. Right. Well, and I gotta tell you,

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Speaker 1: from a Trump supporter's perspective, this feels like the deep state, right,

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Speaker 1: This feels like um somewhat of a soft coup, you know.

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Speaker 1: And you say that because it's not just one isolated case.

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Speaker 1: I mean you have to also look at the text

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Speaker 1: there's there's a pattern here, and maybe it's fair, maybe

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Speaker 1: it's not fair. But from a Trump supports perspective, you

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Speaker 1: feel like where there's smoke, there's fire, and there are

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Speaker 1: attempts within the government by people that have been there

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Speaker 1: president of the United States, and that's very frustrating. What

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Speaker 1: do you say to those people, I would say I

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Speaker 1: agree with them. I mean This is one of those

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Speaker 1: and disagree of it with all sides. But fundamentally, what

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Speaker 1: you said about the deep state, and my definition the

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Speaker 1: long time, and then the term deep state is a

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Speaker 1: way of summarizing it all. And I think that when

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Speaker 1: what you're describing absolutely goes on. And if you have

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Speaker 1: say it, but you can tell. So that type of

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Speaker 1: there's anything here, but he's also earlier texting thing we

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Speaker 1: need to stop Trump. It's like not that surprising to me. Yeah. Yeah, Well,

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Speaker 1: before you go, I wanted to I know you have

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Speaker 1: this new project, Finding the Mountain of Moses, and I

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Speaker 1: know it's a new film on the Exodus story. Can

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Speaker 1: can Can you tell us a little bit about it? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So this is an independent project completely unrelated to what

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Speaker 1: we're just talking about, but you can look it up

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Speaker 1: on YouTube by searching finding the Mountain of Moses, order

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Speaker 1: the website sinai in Arabia dot com and basically over

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Speaker 1: the past two years, um, I've been doing some covert

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Speaker 1: filming in Saudi Arabia. Wait, so you you actually went

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Speaker 1: to Saudi Arabia to shoot some of this. Yep. I

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Speaker 1: took three trips there. That's part of the reason I

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Speaker 1: haven't been on Fox and these other places. Is often

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Speaker 1: because that's where I was. But tell me about that before.

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Speaker 1: I mean, so, tell me, like, what was it like

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Speaker 1: How how welcoming were the people of Saudia to you

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Speaker 1: to film this? Well, if this is what'll what'll blow

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Speaker 1: your mind because Moses is part of Islam right in

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Speaker 1: northwestern Saudi Arabia. Where we found um, well not found,

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Speaker 1: but we got evidence of these sites that are said

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Speaker 1: to be linked to Moses and the Exodus story and

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Speaker 1: really bring the story to life in a way you've

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Speaker 1: never seen before. The Salities all run up to you

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Speaker 1: because they haven't seen an American in person, and one

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Speaker 1: of the first things they'll say to you is, did

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Speaker 1: you know Moses was here? Did you know that Moses

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Speaker 1: and the who the Jews were here? And they just

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Speaker 1: love talking about it and want the world to know

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Speaker 1: about it. They're proud of the fact that there is

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Speaker 1: a significant Jewish history in northwestern saw. But yeah, but

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Speaker 1: the problem is is that the archaeological site, most of

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Speaker 1: and so until now, there hasn't really been compelling video

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Speaker 1: and photo evidence out there for people to see. But

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Speaker 1: once you watch the film, if you read the Book

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Speaker 1: of Exodus in the Bible, you'll be able to envision

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Speaker 1: most of the events described. Now, what did you what

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Speaker 1: did you uncovering? What were the big revelations? I mean,

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Speaker 1: did you get actual access to these sites or footage

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Speaker 1: from the sites? I mean, what did you What did

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Speaker 1: you find? Oh? Yeah, yeah I did. Um. Previously, there

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Speaker 1: was a handful of Americans that were trying to get

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Speaker 1: into follow this theory, but they kept getting arrested and

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Speaker 1: their stuff taken, and that luckily did not happen to me,

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Speaker 1: although I did have some encounters with police, but I

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Speaker 1: there were ways around it. But uh, the bottom line is,

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Speaker 1: in terms of evidence from where we think the red

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Speaker 1: The Bible says they then go to a place called

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Speaker 1: Elam where has twelve wells, and that's where they start

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Speaker 1: to get water. Um, you follow the past described in

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Speaker 1: Book of Fact that it says that still has twelve wells.

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Speaker 1: You go to where Moses met his wife in the

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Speaker 1: land of Jeff Row and just geographically where it should be.

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Speaker 1: There's evidence of the Golden Calf warship scene that some

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Speaker 1: where you can see where that probably happened, right in

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Speaker 1: front of what we think is the real Mount Sinai,

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Speaker 1: the place where Moses climbed up and got the tenth Commandment. So, um,

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Speaker 1: is the is the documentary done now? Is it? Is

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Speaker 1: it up for people? Don't yep? Is out there now?

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Speaker 1: It's got about four hundred thousand views, which for a

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Speaker 1: And Glenn Vex saw it and he's promoting it, and

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Speaker 1: the endorsement he gave is uh he actually said this,

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Speaker 1: he said, it's the game changer for man kind. Wow,

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Speaker 1: that's how praise. Yeah, Well, Ryan, I really appreciate. I mean,

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Speaker 1: mean it's uh, you're a renaissance man. So Ryan, I

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Speaker 1: they could do is, well they get us go to

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Speaker 1: Ryanmorrow dot com, where that's kind of like where all

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Speaker 1: All right, Ryan, thanks so much. We'll talk soon everyone.

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Speaker 1: I ask members of all sides of the House to

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Speaker 1: listen to the British people. Now listen. Nobody is really questioning,

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Speaker 1: or at least none of the conservatis of vote against

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Speaker 1: this today are questioning whether or not to leave the

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Speaker 1: UK or leave the EU. They're questioning the deal that

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Speaker 1: she struck. And now here's a great example of why

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Speaker 1: her deal is so bad. It would provide for the

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Speaker 1: ability for the United Kingdom to trade with the European Union.

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Speaker 1: But if the UK wanted to do a trade deal,

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Speaker 1: with the United States, which obviously would they obviously they

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Speaker 1: would want to do were one of their major trading partners,

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Speaker 1: that would have to be approved by the EU. No

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Speaker 1: one in their right mind would ever agree to that.

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Speaker 1: So the fact that Teresa May even had the guts

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Speaker 1: to take this to the floor, it just shows how,

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Speaker 1: to use Jeremy Corbyn's own words, how incompetent she must be. Now, listen, guys,

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Speaker 1: I want to hear from y'all. I'm gonna take some calls,

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Speaker 1: so make sure that you call in. The phone lines

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Speaker 1: are open. We're gonna be taking some calls soon. Eight

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Speaker 1: four four nine two eight two five. I want to

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Speaker 1: hear what you think about this government shutdown. I want

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Speaker 1: to hear about what you think about all these Democrats

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Speaker 1: running off on vacations to Waii and Puerto Rico while

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Speaker 1: President Trump has to stay back in the White House

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Speaker 1: and try to work out a deal. So call us

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Speaker 1: eight four four nine hundred Buck, stay tuned, welcome back.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show. I'm Harlan Hill

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Speaker 1: in for Buck. The phone lines are open, so give

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Speaker 1: us a call at eight four four nine hundred two

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Speaker 1: eight two five. That's eight four four nine hundred buck.

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Speaker 1: With the media hyperventilating about Russian collusion and the government shutdown,

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Speaker 1: one thing we don't hear much about it anymore from

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Speaker 1: the media is the VA, a department that has let

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Speaker 1: our veterans down at every turn for decades and which

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Speaker 1: is arguably the single best example of socialized medicine just

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Speaker 1: not working. Joining me to discuss that and many more

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Speaker 1: as an expert on this, Chris ny William He's also

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Speaker 1: a good friend of mine and he's the vice president

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Speaker 1: of Next Veterans as well as an Iraq War veteran. Chris,

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Speaker 1: first of all, thanks for your service and thanks for

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Speaker 1: joining us. Great to be with you, Harland. So, how

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Speaker 1: many understand what's happening right now? Is this still an

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Speaker 1: issue the VA? Like the wait times and all of that.

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Speaker 1: The VA still is having a lot of problems. President

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Speaker 1: Trump has made some major changes early and it's been

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Speaker 1: very effective at giving VA the authorities needs to less

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Speaker 1: than the healthcare weight times, give veterans a choice between

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Speaker 1: local VA hospitals and private care providers if they can

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Speaker 1: see a doctor sooner, cutting down on the union bureaucracy,

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Speaker 1: getting things right, and that's been encouraging, but I still

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Speaker 1: think a major issue with the VA are Obama holdovers

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Speaker 1: and union bosses that are still dragging their feet, delaying

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Speaker 1: the president's agenda and still kind of just being bureaucratic.

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Speaker 1: So that's going to continue, and that's been an issue

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Speaker 1: in many respects. But I do think the President is

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Speaker 1: moving in a good direction and the VA is trying

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Speaker 1: to reform. So you're telling me that, I mean, well,

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Speaker 1: this actually makes sense because we hear this from every

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Speaker 1: different department across the federal government that there are Obama

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Speaker 1: holdovers that are in there that are undermining the mission

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Speaker 1: of this administration to make some meaningful reforms and changes.

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Speaker 1: And you're saying the VA is no different. It's exact

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Speaker 1: same thing there. It's exactly the same. And the VA

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Speaker 1: is also the second largest federal agency next to the

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Speaker 1: looking at three hundred thousand employees. It's a very very

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Speaker 1: large arch bureaucracy, and there's a lot of high ranking

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Speaker 1: federal employees that frankly just want to kind of keep

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Speaker 1: things the same, and there's really no incentive to improve

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Speaker 1: and change processes, so there's a lot of finger pointing,

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Speaker 1: and the veteran ends up being sort of second to

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Speaker 1: the bureaucrats. It's the VA before the veteran. I think

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration has tried to put the veteran in

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Speaker 1: front of the VA, and I think putting the veteran

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Speaker 1: in front of the VA is the real trick to

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Speaker 1: the reform and I think the President's working on that now. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what are the biggest pain points for the VA?

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Speaker 1: If you had to identify the three biggest problems, what

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Speaker 1: are they? Number one is continued healthcare weight times for

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Speaker 1: veterans and trying to get the bureaucracy to allow veterans

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Speaker 1: to have these private consults when the VA line is

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Speaker 1: too long so they can see a doctor. Number two

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Speaker 1: is staffing because of long bureaucratic rules to actually fill

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Speaker 1: doctor positions, which I think if you get the more

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Speaker 1: bureaucrats out behind desks and more doctors in there will

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Speaker 1: solve that. And the third one is twofold one. The

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Speaker 1: canine testing program is a big distraction. It's a total disaster.

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Speaker 1: It needs to be shut down. The canine testing program.

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Speaker 1: What is that? So the can testing program is essentially

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Speaker 1: these these painful tests the VA was doing in science

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Speaker 1: labs with federal tax money to you know, allegedly create

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Speaker 1: new discoveries for veterans health around cardiac and other things.

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Speaker 1: But they never got any results out of it. There

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Speaker 1: were a lot of scandals around it, and Congress and

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Speaker 1: the President shut it down. But there's one waiver authority

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Speaker 1: in the law that allows the VA Secretary to continue

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Speaker 1: the programs. It's about a million dollars a year, and

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Speaker 1: the current secretary is allowing the experiments to go forward,

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Speaker 1: and I think he's really making a mistake. I think

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Speaker 1: he's listening to some very bad advisors, and I think

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Speaker 1: eventually it's going to be shut down. But it's just

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Speaker 1: another example of VA bureaucrats and probably doctors getting paid

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Speaker 1: a lot of money, and lobbyists in the space that

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Speaker 1: just want to continue bad disaster programs because it's a

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Speaker 1: benefit to them. So well, I think the President's drained

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Speaker 1: the swamp at VA. The swamp has been there for

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Speaker 1: so long and there's so many bureaucratic rules that it's

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Speaker 1: going to take a little bit longer. But this is

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Speaker 1: one program, the knine testing program, that we need to

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Speaker 1: shut down in twenty nineteen, and I think we're going

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Speaker 1: to get it done. So what about making available more

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Speaker 1: private access to care for veterans. I mean, do you

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Speaker 1: think that's an important option across the board or in

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Speaker 1: specific areas. I do. I certainly think, and we have

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Speaker 1: the stats. I mean, certain vas do better than others.

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Speaker 1: We call these citizens of veteran integrated service networks basically

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Speaker 1: hospital systems for the ones that struggle. A veteran needs

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Speaker 1: the option to say I can use the VA or

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go to a private care provider. And

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Speaker 1: the program exists, but there's been a lot of problems

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Speaker 1: around the rules of when you're allowed to use it,

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Speaker 1: when you're allowed to get a consult and so. And

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Speaker 1: there's been a lot of division in the veteran community

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Speaker 1: about private privatization. But it's not privatization, it's choice. It's

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Speaker 1: limited private care. When VA still is the overall healthcare provider,

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Speaker 1: it should work. It is working. But the President's got

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Speaker 1: this right, most of Congress has got this right. But again,

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Speaker 1: when you're dealing with the breacracy that big, you're dealing

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Speaker 1: with regulations and rules and federal money, there's still a

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Speaker 1: lot of delays. But I think that's been a key issue.

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Speaker 1: It's been improving and I think that the VA committees

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Speaker 1: have got to work together. You know, Democrats are going

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Speaker 1: to have the House Committee, Republicans have the Senate Committey

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Speaker 1: have got to work together and have hearings to get

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Speaker 1: the healthcare choices right so we can lessen those wait times,

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Speaker 1: improve healthcare, and also prevent veterans from from having mental

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Speaker 1: health issues. Well, let's talk on let's such on the

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Speaker 1: mental health issue right now, because arguably, I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: one of the most visible issues or a most vocal

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Speaker 1: issues that we're starting to hear more and more about.

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Speaker 1: What is the VA doing to treat that as an

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Speaker 1: issue of priority programs in place? What are they doing?

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Speaker 1: That's a great question. They're providing a lot of funding,

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Speaker 1: But the problem is the VA spends so much money

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Speaker 1: on ads and marketing and all these PR people, and

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Speaker 1: the PR people really just run around and talk about

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Speaker 1: things that half the time aren't even Germaine. The other

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Speaker 1: challenge is most of the veterans that take their life, sadly,

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Speaker 1: they're not enrolled in VA. These are veterans that aren't

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Speaker 1: enrolled in the system. We've got about twenty two million veterans,

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Speaker 1: only nine million or enrollment VA and around four million

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Speaker 1: regularly use it. Some veterans don't like to use it,

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Speaker 1: others do. But the point is a lot of those

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Speaker 1: veterans aren't even in the VA. So why isn't the

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Speaker 1: VA brand strong enough to attract veterans is a whole

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Speaker 1: other issue. So veterans issues. I'm glad you're you're you're

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Speaker 1: covering it. It's so great to be on because, you know, Harland,

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Speaker 1: veterans issues just don't get the attention they need most

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Speaker 1: of the time. You know, in our busy lives, I

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Speaker 1: mean Veterans Day, Memorial Day, we take that moment, but

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Speaker 1: the day to day there's a lot of issues that

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Speaker 1: need to be fixed. I think the President's focused on it.

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Speaker 1: I think Democrats usually try to get it right, but

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Speaker 1: I think they need to learn that the Union, the

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Speaker 1: American Federation of Government Employees are a bunch of hacks.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're president non vet he's anti reform.

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Speaker 1: He put bureaucrats over the interest of veterans that died

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Speaker 1: on secret waiting lists in Phoenix. And we really need

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Speaker 1: to make sure we keep slamming that union. And frankly,

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Speaker 1: I don't even know why VA gets to have a union.

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Speaker 1: I mean I think so you're telling me the head

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Speaker 1: of the union for the VA, is it even a veteran. No,

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Speaker 1: so that the union afge. It's a big union that

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Speaker 1: includes VA but also other federal agencies at large. They

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Speaker 1: have they have a large membership, but not all VA

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Speaker 1: employees are members. But the lead of that is not

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Speaker 1: a VET. I believe he was a VA nurse at

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Speaker 1: one point. But again that's what we're dealing with. We're

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Speaker 1: dealing with people that don't understand how it is. Secretary

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Speaker 1: Wilkie does get it. He is at he comes from

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Speaker 1: a military family. But again, the union has been an issue.

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Speaker 1: The union has AFG. He has been a big, big issue,

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Speaker 1: and they've been big union people. And President Obama said

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Speaker 1: he was going to reform the union and then he

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Speaker 1: backed off. Back in the last session two sessions of

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Speaker 1: Congress ago HR nineteen ninety four, he issued a veto threat.

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Speaker 1: So luckily President Trump got that done in the first year.

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Speaker 1: It's called the VA Accountability Act. It allows the employees

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Speaker 1: to be fired without you know, waiting years and years

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Speaker 1: and appeals if they do. If you, if you mistreat

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Speaker 1: our veterans, you should be fired and maybe even have

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Speaker 1: the door hit you on the way out. And that's

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Speaker 1: the way the Trump administration is taking on the unions. Now, well, Chris,

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Speaker 1: I mean this has been great. I'm glad we could

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Speaker 1: shine a light on this. I know this is something

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Speaker 1: you spend every day working on and and I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate it, and I appreciate your service. Where where can

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Speaker 1: people find more about you? They can find me at

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Speaker 1: my name and Twitter. It's c H R I S

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Speaker 1: N E I W E E M like Mike Niwaim

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Speaker 1: Chris Niwaim. I am the vice president of Next Veterans

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Speaker 1: and work a lot of veterans issues and I'm always

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Speaker 1: happy to hear veterans issues, try to work them out

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Speaker 1: and hear different perspectives on these VA policy issues. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much, Chris. As always, I really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me early. We'll be right back after

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Speaker 1: this quick break. Make sure that you dial in give

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Speaker 1: us a call at eight or four nine twenty eight

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Speaker 1: twenty five. That's eight four four nine hundred buck Stay tuned.

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Speaker 1: this kind of attack on our democracy. There is no

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Speaker 1: question that Russia attacked us. We're at tax ladies and

855
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Speaker 1: gentlemen on our constitution, attack on the integrity of our elections,

856
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Speaker 1: an attack on our democracy. The first time we've had

857
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Speaker 1: an adversary attack us that we have not responded. This

858
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Speaker 1: is Harlan Hill. I'm back in for Buck Sexton while

859
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Speaker 1: he's on assignment down there in California on the border.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to play that clip because this is just

861
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Speaker 1: an endless barrage of mainstream media attacks against the president

862
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Speaker 1: that are almost word for word identical. And it's not

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Speaker 1: just the media. I mean it's also democratic leadership, people

864
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Speaker 1: like Barack Obama, Hillard Clinton, others. Right where they say that,

865
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Speaker 1: you know, this Russian collusion that has still not been substantiated,

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Speaker 1: is quote to stabilizing democracy, an attack on our democracy

867
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Speaker 1: and attack on us blah blah blah blah blah. And

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Speaker 1: they do it because if they repeat it enough, they

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Speaker 1: think that it will become truth. And at its core,

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Speaker 1: this is an attempt did delegitimize the president of the

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Speaker 1: United States, and it started long before even the election.

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Speaker 1: And if you were here for our first segment in

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Speaker 1: the A block that you heard the great conversation that

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Speaker 1: I had with a former official at the Justice Department

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Speaker 1: about this. But this process of delegitimizing the incoming president

876
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: United States started even before the election. I can remember

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Speaker 1: being on CNN in I think it was October, either

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Speaker 1: late September, early October twenty sixteen, and I said on

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Speaker 1: there that the reason that this Russian colusion story came

880
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: up was quote to plant seeds of doubt in the

881
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Speaker 1: event that President Trump want wins and Candidate Trump. And

882
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Speaker 1: I gotta pat myself on the back on that one.

883
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Speaker 1: I get some things wrong, but I got that one right.

884
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: You know, that's exactly what this was. That's exactly what

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00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: they've turned out to do. And it's only been turned

886
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: out they turned the dial up by orders of magnitude

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00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: after his election and then again after his inauguration, and

888
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: now with every quarter that passes. I mean, it has

889
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: ratcheted up precipitously. And that's all while we don't have

890
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Speaker 1: a shred of evidence to substantiate the accusation of collusion

891
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: between the Trump campaign and Russia. Not a shred, zero nil, nothing.

892
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:22,240
Speaker 1: There's nothing there. So we're three years into this process,

893
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 1: three years since they started playing the seeds of doubt

894
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: undermine Trump, and they say that they're smoking guns. Watch

895
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Speaker 1: Rachel Maddock. I know it's insufferable. Okay, I get it,

896
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. She's really annoying. Okay,

897
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: but just turn it on. Turn it on for a

898
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Speaker 1: couple of minutes. Any given night, she will be on

899
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Speaker 1: breathlessly talking about this as if there's a smoking gun

900
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: and we're on the verge of the annihilation of the

901
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: Trump campaign. Every single night for years, it's been like this.

902
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: It's like the Little Boy that Cried Wolf every night.

903
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: And it's not just Rachel madd out to be fair,

904
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Speaker 1: I mean, don Lemon Cuoma whatever, I mean, even after

905
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: the presidents. This is how I knew the President had

906
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: a good job the other night in the Oval Office address,

907
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: is that instead of talking about it, Cuoma sort of

908
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: shifting back to talking about Manaphort that night, like almost immediately,

909
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: like you know, so they're like, okay, we can't win

910
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: on the wall shutdown issue. Let's go back to talking

911
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: about Russia. Let's pull that out of the archives. It's pathetic, really,

912
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: it's pathetic. I mean, if there was anything here, if

913
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Speaker 1: it was as someone that was involved with the Trump

914
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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen campaign, as somebody that's now on the advisory

915
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Speaker 1: board for Trump's twenty twenty reelection campaign, I can tell

916
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Speaker 1: you that if something like this happened at the level

917
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: that they were saying it happened, it would be out

918
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: by now. Okay, it would be out by now. There

919
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: would be smoking guns. Mueller wouldn't be taken all this

920
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: time to come to some sort of we would have

921
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: already have indictments and arrests for collusion. We don't now

922
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: do we have other I mean, did they get Mana

923
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Speaker 1: for it on some of his personal dealings? Oh yeah, yeah.

924
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: Did they get some Trump people for you know, allegedly

925
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: lying under oath? Yeah? Okay, yeah, they perjured themselves, you know,

926
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Speaker 1: not on this issue, but you know, on a variety

927
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 1: of issues they made mistakes. Yeah, totally they got them. Fine, okay,

928
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: you got you got manip because he didn't pays taxes. Great,

929
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: what does that have to do with the charge of

930
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: collusion against President Trump. Nothing nothing, but this is nothing new.

931
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: I mean, we're gonna keep hearing them the stabilizing democracy

932
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,240
Speaker 1: and attack on democracy. The people that are actually destabilizing

933
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 1: and undermining our democracy are the Democrats, and they're actively

934
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: doing it every day. They're tearing this democracy down to

935
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: its foundation because it is for their own political expedience.

936
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 1: They cannot believe. They cannot believe that there was this

937
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: revolution that happened in twenty sixteen and they didn't see

938
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: it coming. They don't believe it. They still don't believe it,

939
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: so it'll keep happening. And it's not just the Democrats,

940
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: to be fair, it's not just the media, to be fair.

941
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's people in the establishment of the Republican

942
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 1: Party too, and some people come around to it. You

943
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Speaker 1: have a second clip here and include some top Republicans,

944
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: including Mitt Romney from twenty sixteen, and let's see what

945
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: they have to say. He'd rather have a puppet as president,

946
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: and it's pretty clear puppet. What Donald Trump is saying

947
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Speaker 1: is that he would unilaterally surrender to Russian Putin, give

948
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Speaker 1: Putin a massive foreign policy victory. This is a race

949
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Speaker 1: between a man who praises Vladimir Putin, pursues Putin, and

950
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Speaker 1: he thinks Putin's a good guy. So I just can't

951
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: go there. Donald Trump says he admires Vladimir Putin. I

952
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: do think that trump victory is a gift to Vladimir Putin.

953
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: It's like they're on the same page. And now you

954
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Speaker 1: have Vladimir Putin basically pulling out the old KGB book

955
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: on how to manipulate Donald Trump, and it appears he's

956
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:07,479
Speaker 1: fallen right into it. Mister Trump's continued flattery of mister

957
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: Putin and the degree to which he appears to model

958
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Speaker 1: many of his policies and approaches to politics on mister

959
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: Putin is unprecedented in American politics. Well, I gotta give

960
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: a couple of people in there some credit for coming

961
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: around seeing the light, because those those those latest clips

962
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Speaker 1: were from twenty sixteen. You know, Synator gram and Senator Cruz.

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00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: You know, they've both seen the light, right, and they're

964
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: firmly on the President's team, and they know that this

965
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: Russian collusion accusation is totally unfounded and unsubstantiated. So I

966
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Speaker 1: give them credit for that. But the rest of them

967
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: I think are largely um. I think the rest of

968
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: the people in there comprised the establishment that is grasping

969
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: at straws for some way to delegitimize this president. And

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00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: I'm frankly sick of it. And I brought up in

971
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: the in the in the in the people that my

972
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: concern is that this, it could become the new norm, right.

973
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,959
Speaker 1: I mean, Democrats have clearly overstepped their bounds here. They

974
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: have worked to chip away at the foundation of democracy

975
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 1: purely because they don't like Trump. Right. It wasn't enough

976
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,720
Speaker 1: to oppose him and obstruct him on all of his policy,

977
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: but they've got to like tear him down as a

978
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: person and as the president. And my concern is that,

979
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: you know, this could play both ways, because you know,

980
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 1: as a Republican, I'm gonna want some retribution, and I

981
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: think that's bad for our democracy. It's a real shame. Anyway.

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Speaker 1: This is once again Harlan Hill in for Buck Sexton

983
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: here on the Buck Sexton Show. I want to thank

984
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Speaker 1: you all for tuning in. We'll be right back after

985
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Speaker 1: this break. Make sure you tune back in. Welcome back.

986
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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show. I'm Harlan Hill

987
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: filling in for Buck. The fund lines are open, so

988
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 1: give us a call at eight four four nine hundred

989
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: to eight two five. That's eight four four nine hundred Buck.

990
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Speaker 1: We have a government shutdown, contentious hearings on the Hill,

991
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 1: Democrats announcing for president left and right in an economy

992
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: that many viewers precarious. Jointing me to break all of

993
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Speaker 1: this down is Ryan Grodski, a senior political reporter and

994
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 1: a political consultant. Ryan, help me understand with all this happening,

995
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: how the president starts to pivot to focusing on a

996
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 1: general election bid. Hey, Harlan, so, yeah, you know twenty

997
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: twenty Blue or not is just around the corner. Um

998
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 1: Democrats are jumping in Kerson jail, Brand, Amy Klobacher, Kamala

999
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: Harris are all preparing a launch, and several of like

1000
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: a little Bourne already has the good thing for Trump.

1001
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,439
Speaker 1: Trump's entrepreur writings have fallen in during the government shut

1002
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Speaker 1: down to the very low boies, which is not a

1003
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: great place to be. But there was a public policy polling,

1004
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Speaker 1: a research paper done. They are a liberal organization and

1005
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: they tend to skew more liberally, so they had they

1006
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Speaker 1: sampled out the votes in North Carolina and they found

1007
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Speaker 1: it basically a tide between Trump and the major competitors Democrats,

1008
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Speaker 1: and all the all the major Democrats were within the

1009
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: Jim error from him now the pole over sample Democrats,

1010
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 1: so it leans a little heavily Democrat. But the most

1011
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: important part was among independents. In this poll, Trump was

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Speaker 1: clabboring major Democrats. It with Biden, who is the most

1013
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: viable Democrat running for president right now, he's beating him

1014
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: with independence by fifteen points. Among Corey Booker it's twenty

1015
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: one points. Beto O'Rourke it's almost thirty points, Elizabeth Warren

1016
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: it's twenty points. So Trump seems to have a major

1017
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: edge with some independent voters. And if that's true nationwide,

1018
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Speaker 1: like it is in North Carolina, if it's true in Florida,

1019
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: if that's true in Ohio, Trump's really in a much

1020
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: better position for reelection. I think he is what he

1021
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: needs to do with after this this government shutdowns over with,

1022
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Speaker 1: after he gets some money for wall funding, I think

1023
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:53,240
Speaker 1: he really needs to start pivoting towards really popular middle

1024
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: ground issues, one being drug prices that sending him in

1025
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi very much agree on that. The second will

1026
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: be infrastructure spending. And the third and this thing he

1027
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: promised on the campaign and it still hasn't happened. He shouldn't.

1028
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 1: He needs to reform common Core. It's wildly popular among women. Wiley.

1029
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: Common Core is wiley, unpopular among women, among mothers, among teachers,

1030
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Speaker 1: major major constituencies that have a very negative opinion about

1031
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. He promised to overturn common Core two and

1032
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: a half years ago. I don't know what Betsy Divace

1033
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: is doing in her spare time besides buying new designer glasses.

1034
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: She needs to be reforming common Core or ending common

1035
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,919
Speaker 1: Core or throwing to the States something, because it would

1036
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Speaker 1: be a major, major boost, in my opinion, to Trump's reelection.

1037
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Speaker 1: So let's just take a step back and look at

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00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,479
Speaker 1: that poll out of North Carolina. So what you're telling

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Speaker 1: me is that a liberal poll administered by a liberal consultant,

1040
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Speaker 1: Public Policy Polling PPP, which we used to use. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm a former Democratic consultant. We used to we used

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Speaker 1: to hire them, we used to pay them to conduct

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Speaker 1: our polls. So this is hardly an you know, not

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Speaker 1: that any of the polls that we typically read about her,

1045
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Speaker 1: are are independent? I mean, I think that everybody that

1046
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Speaker 1: conducts a pole has some sort of editorial been to them,

1047
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Speaker 1: but this one is particularly slanted to the left, but

1048
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Speaker 1: is widely respected. I'll give them credit for that. But

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Speaker 1: what you're saying is it even though they're oversampling Democrats,

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Speaker 1: they have democratic heritage. They still show that the president

1051
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: is in on very solid footing in North Carolina. Right,

1052
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Speaker 1: that was the takeaway. Well, he's tied. So look, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris, they're at forty five forty five in the full,

1054
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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris is winning Democrats by sixty one points. Trump

1055
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Speaker 1: is winning Republicans by seventy simo points. But Trump is

1056
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Speaker 1: then winning independence by twenty two points. So they've clearly

1057
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Speaker 1: oversample Democrats to make it seem like it's a tied race.

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Speaker 1: If Trump is winning independence by twenty two points, and

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Speaker 1: he's winning fourteen percent of Democrats eighty one percent of

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Speaker 1: the Republicans, as the pole states, he's winning by more

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Speaker 1: by he's more than just a tie. That is clearly

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Speaker 1: an oversample of Democrats, but by twenty two points, a

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Speaker 1: gigantic margin. Yeah, absolutely, So what about this shutdown. I

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Speaker 1: mean because I'm starting to read more and more that

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Speaker 1: people are blaming the President and Republicans more than Democrats.

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Speaker 1: You know, The Washington Post and ABC News conducted this

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Speaker 1: poll from January eighth to the eleventh among seven hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty eight Americans, and it showed that overall, fifty

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Speaker 1: three percent of people are blaming Trump and the Republicans,

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Speaker 1: compared to twenty nine percent for Democrats in thirteen percent.

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Speaker 1: You'd both equally at fault. This can't be good? Or

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Speaker 1: am I over? Am? I over? Am I inflating the

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Speaker 1: significance of this polling, particularly this early in an election cycle. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think one, it's not good for the president. But

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Speaker 1: also people are very forgiving about government shutdowns. You remember

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Speaker 1: twenty thirteen when Ted Cruz really shut down the government

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Speaker 1: and Republicans swept the Senate. In twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, rather, Chuck Schumer shut down the government and

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Speaker 1: Democrats won the House back. I think people are very

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Speaker 1: forgiving about government shutdowns. It doesn't really stick in people's

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Speaker 1: mind very often. Most people don't understand it, and most

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01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: people aren't affected by it. So I don't hold that

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Speaker 1: this will be a long lasting sting for the president,

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01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: but if he gets Wolf funding, this will be the

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Speaker 1: biggest booster to his base to show that he's actually

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Speaker 1: the real deal, that he's not, you know, one of

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Speaker 1: these weaker Republicans who could pitch. So it's worth the cost,

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Speaker 1: that's your point. I mean it's worth the cost, I

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Speaker 1: think so. Yeah. I do think I think something needs

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Speaker 1: to happen very soon, but I do think that it's

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Speaker 1: worth the cost right now. I don't think that this

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Speaker 1: should go into the summertime though, or or summer time.

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Speaker 1: I don't think this should go into the spring. I

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Speaker 1: don't want this to go for months and months and months,

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Speaker 1: but hopefully within another week or two, I think something's

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Speaker 1: going to break. You have to remember there are thirty

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Speaker 1: five House Democrats in Trump's states, and Trump didn't sorry

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Speaker 1: in Trump districts, And there are a number of Democrats

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Speaker 1: in the Senate who are in Trump's states or swing states,

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Speaker 1: or who have an enormous amount of government workers in

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Speaker 1: their states. So I think properly applied pressure on those Democrats,

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Speaker 1: you might see some people like Doug Jones already says

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Speaker 1: he'll vote for the Wolf funding, and I think that

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Speaker 1: maybe some applied pressure on Mark Warner, you might see

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Speaker 1: him sit there and start to break with Chuck Schumer,

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Speaker 1: given the fact that he's got a huge amount of

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Speaker 1: government workers in his state in Virginia. Well. And one

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Speaker 1: concern though, is that Democrats are applying a lot of

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Speaker 1: pressure on the back end from what I've heard, to

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Speaker 1: the public sector unions representing TSA workers and air traffic controllers. Now,

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Speaker 1: under current federal law, these unions are barred from striking,

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Speaker 1: but I think that Democrats and the unions want to

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Speaker 1: test that in the courts. And if you had air

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Speaker 1: traffic controllers and TSA officials striking, that would bring this

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Speaker 1: country to a halt, the ability to travel and conduct

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Speaker 1: business to a halt. I can't forecast what the political

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01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: consequence is going to be for both sides if that

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Speaker 1: weren't happen. I mean, that is apocalyptic, and I think

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Speaker 1: that's what Democrats know, and they figure that they're going

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Speaker 1: to end up on top there. I mean, the Washington

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Speaker 1: posted a little bit of reporting on this today. I

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Speaker 1: think that this is distinct possibility, maybe not right now,

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Speaker 1: but the further we go into this, I think that

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Speaker 1: the Democrats are going to get more aggressive, and I

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Speaker 1: don't see them backing down and giving even a modicum

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Speaker 1: of concession to the President on this. I mean, they

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Speaker 1: know that that would be too much of a political

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Speaker 1: loss for them, and and they know that they have

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Speaker 1: the president kind of pinned in here in a way,

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Speaker 1: and they have some of these these outside players, like

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Speaker 1: these public sector unions in their back pocket that they

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Speaker 1: can probably bring a little bit more pain to bear.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how concerned are you about that? Um? I

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01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 1: had not heard that story. That is concerned. But if

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Speaker 1: you have to go to a court case and it

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Speaker 1: have to work its way through the course before they

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Speaker 1: could strike, so I mean that would take some some

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Speaker 1: period of time before they could actually move on that. Well.

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Speaker 1: The alternative, though, I'll push back a little bit, is

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Speaker 1: that you may just have some of these federal workers

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01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 1: start quitting. You know, if you're a TSA worker and

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01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 1: you and you haven't paid in weeks, that we happen, Yeah,

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01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 1: this is that could apply. They won't show up for

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01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 1: work like that, and such has happened in certain areas.

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01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: But I don't think that, um, I don't think that

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Speaker 1: that necessarily is going to be enough to bring the

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Speaker 1: economy to its knees or or affect travel um to

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01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 1: the extent that people are saying it, well, um and

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01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 1: at that and it worse comes to worse. I think

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01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 1: that Trump really then should um bulk his his um,

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01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: his his advisors and sit there and do a and

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Speaker 1: do an executive order, an executive order, but a an emergency,

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01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: an executive emergency stating that, um, you know, we need

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Speaker 1: to build a wall or have have have the CBS

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Speaker 1: build a wall. I mean, there are a million things

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01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 1: that Trump could do, but he still has not done yet.

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Speaker 1: And I think that that's really where you know he's got.

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01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 1: He is much more cars than his pile than Democrats

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01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: have in their pile. And if you look at where

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01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: a lot of these government workers are in, isn't a

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Speaker 1: lot of Blue states. I mean, these are a lot

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01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: of Democrat constituents who are going to be hurting, and

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Speaker 1: I do. I mean, I have heard of more Democrats

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Speaker 1: that they are and say that they are going to

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01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 1: vote for wall funding of certain types than I have

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Speaker 1: heard Republicans. I mean, you have Katie Hill from California,

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Speaker 1: you have a new woman from Virginia seven both slaying

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01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: they vote for wall funding. And you know I and

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01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: you've done jing a vote for wall funding. I do

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01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 1: think that there's an opportunity to sit there and start

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01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 1: breaking with these moderate Democrats in these Trump districts where

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Speaker 1: if you have a majority plus all Republicans voting for

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Speaker 1: wall funding. UM, you may be in a situation where

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Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi is dealing with a with with minority of

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Speaker 1: Congress on this position. So I certainly think that that

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Speaker 1: that may change the media fight, and that may be

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Speaker 1: Trump's best bet is that Nancy Pelosi is doing it

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Speaker 1: against the will of her own Congress or of her

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01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: own House rather um. And you also Trump State of

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01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 1: the Union going forward, which will give him a huge

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01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: chance to speak to the American public. But yeah, other

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01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 1: than that, I think that he should declare an EMERGENC.

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Speaker 1: I think why doesn't he declare an emergency or you know,

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01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: deploy the US cord years. I know, I personally know

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Speaker 1: that people inside the administration and senators like Lindsay Gram.

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Speaker 1: Lindsay Graham is all over television saying that he supports

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Speaker 1: an executive emergency. I know for a fact from people

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01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 1: on the Hill it does not actually support that. In

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Speaker 1: this whole Trump not to do that an executive emergence.

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Speaker 1: An executive emergency is wildly unpopular in polling. But I

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01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 1: just don't believe many people are following this story of

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Speaker 1: whether or not the wall is being built. I just

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01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 1: I don't believe that you know, the country is going

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01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 1: to be in rage or not in rage based upon

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01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 1: something that ninety nine point eight person in the country

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01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: will never see. Most of us will never go to

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Speaker 1: the Tucson area of the border to sit there and

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Speaker 1: see the wall being completed or not completed. I just

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Speaker 1: I just don't think. I don't think that this is

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Speaker 1: as big of a story or as big of a

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01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 1: political battle as Democrats are making it out to be.

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Speaker 1: I think at the heart of it, if you look

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Speaker 1: at the ABC poll, the one major drop support for

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Speaker 1: the wall had it increased from I think thirty two

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01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 1: percent to forty two percent or something around at the number,

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Speaker 1: but the one major drop was people extremely against the wall,

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01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 1: drop from fifty four percent to thirty eight percent. I

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01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 1: just don't think many people support this wall. And also

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Speaker 1: in the ABC poll, forty five percent of people who

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Speaker 1: oppose the building of the wall. Why Democrats that they're

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01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 1: in support wall funding because they just want the government

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Speaker 1: to open back again. Only fifteen percent fifty percent are

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Speaker 1: asking Democrats to hold their ground, So it's about twenty

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Speaker 1: five percent of the country or we're something or telling democrats,

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Speaker 1: you know, don't don't give any concessions, don't give any concessions.

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Speaker 1: You know, almost half the people who are opposed to

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Speaker 1: the wall are now for building it just to reopen

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Speaker 1: the government. I don't think that nance to Pelosi's I

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01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 1: think Pelosi has overplayed this where where people where people

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Speaker 1: where people are actually opposed to the wall as much

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Speaker 1: as she thinks they are. So let me ask you

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Speaker 1: to make a prediction. I mean, four weeks out from now,

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Speaker 1: is the government back up and running. Are we in

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Speaker 1: the same spot we're in right now within a month?

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Speaker 1: I do think so, I think something. I think something

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Speaker 1: has got to give within a month. I think that

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Speaker 1: within a month you're going to have Because the most

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Speaker 1: important thing that's going to be happening come November of

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen is you're going to have major elections in

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Speaker 1: the legislature in Virginia, and you're going to have a

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Speaker 1: lot of Republicans pushing on Trump to um to give

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Speaker 1: concessions in for Republicans in Virginia. So I think that

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Speaker 1: by the spring, I think the government will within four

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Speaker 1: to six weeks, I think the government will be up

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Speaker 1: and running again, and we will have some type of

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Speaker 1: money for border wall, whether it's through an emergency action

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Speaker 1: or through through the Democrats in Congress giving something up.

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Speaker 1: the way that the Democrats elected to go to Puerto

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Speaker 1: Rico to play on the beach and drink with lobbyists

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Speaker 1: instead of working to get the government back up and running.

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Speaker 1: Shame on them. I mean, it's just ridiculous. And in

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Speaker 1: the last segment, if you heard it with Ryan Gerdusky,

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Speaker 1: we sort of addressed the fact that you know, there's

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Speaker 1: no winner here. If you look at the polling, you

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Speaker 1: know it's divided between Democrats and Republicans. More Republicans blame

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Speaker 1: democ for the shutdown, more Democrats blame Republicans for the shutdown,

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Speaker 1: and independence don't know which way to go. In the meantime,

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Speaker 1: you know, all these workers that you know, from TSA

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Speaker 1: to air traffic controllers to even secret service agents are

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Speaker 1: going on paid and what the presidents asking for is

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Speaker 1: something relatively mild. He's asking for a fraction of what

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Speaker 1: Democrats all voted to give to border funding just ten

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Speaker 1: years ago. You know, all throughout the Obama administration to

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Speaker 1: appease Republicans, Democrats cast votes in supportive border security funding

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Speaker 1: because they wanted to look strong. But Obama wanted to

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Speaker 1: look like he was tough on security, even though you

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Speaker 1: know he was letting millions in he wanted to look tough,

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Speaker 1: and now that the presidents actually wanted to do something

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Speaker 1: constructive to target specific areas of the border to prevent

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Speaker 1: just the total unimpeded trafficking of people and drugs into

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Speaker 1: this country at points of entry, Democrats are nowhere to

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Speaker 1: be found. All of a sudden. They've decided that walls

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Speaker 1: are racist and they're offensive, and they say that we

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Speaker 1: want other forms of border security, but they won't articulate

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Speaker 1: with what those forms of security are. So the casualty

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Speaker 1: in the meantime is that we have a lack of direction.

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Speaker 1: That it's undermining the foundation of our markets. It's hurting,

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Speaker 1: you know, eight hundred thousand families across this country. They

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Speaker 1: don't know whether or not they're going to get their

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Speaker 1: next paycheck. And it stands to get worse. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we saw just last week that leading credit agencies are

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Speaker 1: considering downgrading America from Triple A status to something lower. Now,

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Speaker 1: who knows what that'll be. I mean, in large part

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Speaker 1: that depends on well when does the government get reopened. One.

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Speaker 1: If it goes much further and we hit the credit ceiling,

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Speaker 1: then you know we have a much bigger problem on

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Speaker 1: our hands. We're playing with fire here. We're playing with fire,

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Speaker 1: and so you know, I talked with Grudski a little

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Speaker 1: bit about the polling and the winners and losers of it.

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Speaker 1: But my concern is that government, for the first time

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Speaker 1: in a long time, is undermining the very foundation of

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Speaker 1: our economy deliberately, and there are people to blame, both

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Speaker 1: in the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. And we

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Speaker 1: can't take this back. Once you open this can of worms,

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Speaker 1: once you open this can of worms, you can't put

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Speaker 1: them back in. I'm really frustrated. This is serious. We're

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Speaker 1: playing with fire, and I want to hear what you

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Speaker 1: all have to say about it. So we'll be right

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Speaker 1: back after this quick break with more. The phone lines

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Speaker 1: are open. Give us a call eight four four nine

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Speaker 1: hundred to eight two five. I hope you're as mad

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Speaker 1: as I am. That's eight four four nine hundred Buck.

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned to the Buck Sexton Show. Welcome back. You're

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Speaker 1: listening to the Buck Sexton Show. I'm Harland Hill filling

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Speaker 1: in for Buck. We're over six hundred days away from

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Speaker 1: the election. But believe it or not, this is true.

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Speaker 1: More than four hundred and fifty candidates have already read

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01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 1: with the FEC to run for president twenty twenty. That's

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Speaker 1: the vast majority of those people are lunatics, are not

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Speaker 1: serious people, but but they're about twenty to twenty five

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Speaker 1: names of very serious contenders that are starting to take shape.

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Speaker 1: Some of them have announced, some of them are still

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Speaker 1: on the sidelines figuring things out. And I wanted to

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Speaker 1: talk about who those people are, what their strengths and

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Speaker 1: weaknesses are. And I'm looking specifically at people like Tulsa

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Speaker 1: Gabbert Whole and Gastro Castro, Elizabeth Warren, char At Brown,

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Speaker 1: John Delaney, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, beat A Rourke, Joe Biden,

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris, Corey Booker, Kirsten Jillibrand, and even Hillary Clinton. Now,

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of names there, and it's gonna

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Speaker 1: make for a very crowded field for Democrats. Heck, as

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Speaker 1: they just look to put together debate stages. I mean

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Speaker 1: they have, they have a struggle ahead of them. So

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Speaker 1: joining me to discuss and break down this field is

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Speaker 1: Democratic consultant John Rally, the founding partner of Counterpoint Messaging. John,

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Speaker 1: How you doing, Harlan? That was quite a list who

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Speaker 1: ran through that was pretty impressive. That's not even that's

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Speaker 1: not even half of the series of contenders. It's just

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Speaker 1: the ones I'm taking out. But uh so, who's the

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Speaker 1: front runner, John, Like, who's the guy or a woman? Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean I think as of today, I mean, let's

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Speaker 1: let's almost think about it the way you have to

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01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 1: look back and think about Trump when he was in

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Speaker 1: a fourteen to sixteen person field. I mean he began

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Speaker 1: that race, and the thing that he was that he

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01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 1: was wildly underestimated for is he had a multi billion

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Speaker 1: dollar brand. So when he made errors, he made mistakes,

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Speaker 1: he just had enough whether you want to call it

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Speaker 1: brand equity, goodwill, or just knowledge build up that he

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Speaker 1: was was able to sustain you know, a lot of

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Speaker 1: errors and things that almost nobody else in politics. I

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Speaker 1: think right now you've got two Democrats, uh Biden and

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Speaker 1: Bernie who have billion dollar brands. I mean, they they

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Speaker 1: are super well known, their supports deep, they'll be able

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Speaker 1: to raise money. But at the same time, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that anybody wants to be a frontrunner

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Speaker 1: for any office these days in politics, especially over a

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Speaker 1: two year period. And so I think if you're in

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Speaker 1: their chair. And I mean if it is a super

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Speaker 1: crowded race like it was last time, I think that

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Speaker 1: could benefit Biden. And Bernie just says the super credited

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Speaker 1: race benefited Trump the ups and downs and and and

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Speaker 1: if you only have that brand, you don't have the

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Speaker 1: ability to energize and raise money, it won't be that helpful.

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Speaker 1: And I think one of the hugest things Hillary's team

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Speaker 1: underestimated last time was I mean, anybody who's run a

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Speaker 1: one thousand vote city council race knows if you're the

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Speaker 1: incumbent and you're going to have challengers and you've got

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Speaker 1: a base, the more challengers the better. And at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, if there would have been five

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Speaker 1: or six relatively modest to strong challengers, I mean Hillary

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Speaker 1: probably would have run away with the primary last time,

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Speaker 1: even though Bernie Sanders ran a great race. I mean,

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Speaker 1: just creating that one on one environment coalesces there are

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Speaker 1: going to be known almost any candidate and a primary. Um, So,

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Speaker 1: I mean I think that's where you would start. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's I think they have huge advantages. But um, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know anybody that would want to

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Speaker 1: run and intense to your presidential campaign as the front

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Speaker 1: horse right now. Well, and the added pressure there is

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Speaker 1: that you can only raise, you know, for the primary cycle.

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Speaker 1: So there's the financial question. If you get in now

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Speaker 1: and you start burning capital, well, yeah, you have an

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Speaker 1: advantage and that you're already out there and you can

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Speaker 1: start building the fundraising machine that you need to run

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Speaker 1: for president. But once those dollars are spent, you can't

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Speaker 1: go back to the well um inventional wisdom in a

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Speaker 1: lot of races, if you're the front runner, you want

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Speaker 1: a shorter race, but yeah, you have to you have

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Speaker 1: to begin that exposure and attack. You have to light

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Speaker 1: that fuse, and then you also have the money fuse

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Speaker 1: as well. So it's a real challenge absolutely. So maybe

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Speaker 1: the better question than is instead of who is the

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Speaker 1: front runner, what faction of the Democratic Party is going

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Speaker 1: to win here? And and this is going to really

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Speaker 1: boil it down. It's gonna be kind of simplistic, but

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Speaker 1: is it the moderate wing of the Democratic Party that's

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Speaker 1: a little bit more pragmatic or the progressives like um,

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Speaker 1: you know, Corey Booker or um a cast A quartet

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Speaker 1: somebody like that. Which wing of the party is gonna win? Well,

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Speaker 1: I think I think all of the presidential candidates are

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Speaker 1: pretty progressive and are going to run is pretty progressive candidates.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think you've got some slight variations, but

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, you know, from Biden to Beto

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Speaker 1: to I mean, you know a lot of the different senators,

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Speaker 1: I think they're all going to run is pretty progressive candidates.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't think there's going to be dramatic

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Speaker 1: ideological differences. I don't think we're going to have a

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Speaker 1: conservative Democrat or even somebody who's the cautious moderate really

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Speaker 1: in terms of policy. And uh, I think also a

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Speaker 1: misconception about a lot of dimocratic primaries is just going

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Speaker 1: furthest to the left ensures victory. I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: you have to motivate. You have to communicate that you've

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Speaker 1: got a connection with the electorate and you're inspiring people

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Speaker 1: and you really believe whatever your rap message or lane is.

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Speaker 1: I think it's one of the amazing things about Beto

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Speaker 1: O'Rourke's rise right now. I mean, he does not have

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Speaker 1: the billion dollars long term relationship brand that a lot

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Speaker 1: of the others do, so we could certainly see him

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Speaker 1: flame out quicker, but I think he's got this connection

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Speaker 1: right now, and it's not just in Texas with Democratic

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Speaker 1: voters and a lot of primary voters. And the other

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Speaker 1: challenges is there's going to be a lot of floating

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Speaker 1: around in any primary where you've got well known candidates,

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Speaker 1: whether it's a race for governor or mayor or the

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Speaker 1: presidential race. We're going to go into Iowa with a

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Speaker 1: number of candidates that all of the Democrats like, and

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Speaker 1: so I think the you know, some late momentum could

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Speaker 1: be big as well. And I think I think the

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Speaker 1: other thing that people don't think about right now is

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01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:15,400
Speaker 1: everybody's matching up the candidates against each other and against

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Speaker 1: Trump right now, but trying to imagine outside events that

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Speaker 1: impact the campaign. I mean, if if the investigation heats up,

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Speaker 1: if we have an impeachment hearings, what that does to

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01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:31,600
Speaker 1: us senators opportunity versus you know, many of them have

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Speaker 1: a ways to go still, and so trying to anticipate

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Speaker 1: those sort of events. And I think also is there

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Speaker 1: somebody who could be the RFK candidate and time this

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Speaker 1: to get in at the moment where a couple campaigns

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Speaker 1: collapse or a front runner has a bad run and

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Speaker 1: kind of make the late RFK style in nineteen sixty

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Speaker 1: eight entrants at the right time to conserve resources, conserve energy,

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Speaker 1: and that's also a risky strategy in a ten to

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Speaker 1: fifteen person field well. And so one thing that strikes

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Speaker 1: me is that you had California move up its primary date,

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Speaker 1: it'll coincide with Texas and Florida. That seems to me

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Speaker 1: that it would advantage Kamala Harris and her bid. Beto

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Speaker 1: will have obviously an advantage in Texas, and he has

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Speaker 1: national name ID, but the fact that he was just

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Speaker 1: on the ballot there and almost executed in an upset

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Speaker 1: of Ted Cruz in a solidly Republican state and he's

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Speaker 1: a dynamic figure leads me to believe that he should

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Speaker 1: fare very well there. And then Florida's you know, and unknown.

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Speaker 1: But you know, if you have big delegate holes getting

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Speaker 1: split up between these major candidates early, it's going to

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Speaker 1: be very difficult for a front runner to emerge. And

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Speaker 1: it strikes me that that means that not only are

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Speaker 1: you going to have a crowded field, you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a very long primary process, and that this will go

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Speaker 1: all the way to the convention. One does that concern

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Speaker 1: you too? Are you concerned about the potential for a

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Speaker 1: brokered convention? Not really. There's been lots to talk of

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Speaker 1: that in the last couple of decades on both sides.

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Speaker 1: It hasn't really happened. Same with the primary process, we haven't.

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Speaker 1: We had the most contentious, most number of candidates, most

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Speaker 1: spending in the primary, we've ever had a Democratic Party

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Speaker 1: this year at the congressional and other levels, and it

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Speaker 1: cycle turned out pretty well for us. I think that

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Speaker 1: energy should translate into the presidential race and could be

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Speaker 1: a real advantage. I've rarely seen a hot contested primary

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Speaker 1: that so wounds a candidate that you regret it looking back.

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Speaker 1: I mean, every candidate would love to run unoppost or

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Speaker 1: or your you know, kind of walk through a primary.

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Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean it's good for the Darwinian process

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Speaker 1: that is running for president. I don't think it hurt Obama.

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Speaker 1: I think it I think it helped them. I don't

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Speaker 1: think it hurt Trump. I think it helped him, and

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Speaker 1: so I'm not that concerned about it. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: hard to tell. I mean that you would certainly think

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Speaker 1: instructurally it helps Senator Harris in California or Orbato in Texas.

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Speaker 1: But if you look back to ninety two, I mean

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Speaker 1: what happened when Tom Harkin ran Is everybody just said, well,

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Speaker 1: why try in Iowa? The real battles New Hampshire, and

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Speaker 1: so it kind of it it almost made those states

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Speaker 1: made Iowa the sort of state that everybody was greating

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Speaker 1: on a curve now a lot less. I mean, Texas

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Speaker 1: and California are much bigger, delicate, rich states than than

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Speaker 1: Iowa was. So but it you know, it could also

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Speaker 1: be sweet relief. I mean, if you don't have to

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Speaker 1: spend media and field another dollars in the two biggest

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Speaker 1: states or two of the three biggest states, that might

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Speaker 1: be the saving grace for a couple of these other campaigns.

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01:22:57,240 --> 01:23:01,680
Speaker 1: And then they may just make a strategic decision to

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Speaker 1: m to um, you know what, the national media helped

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01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:08,920
Speaker 1: communicate and more efficient ways communicate in Texas and California

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01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 1: and to not essentially maybe spin down your whole campaign

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01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:16,519
Speaker 1: you I mean, for Al Gore and Bill Bradley didn't

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Speaker 1: raise enough money together to run campaigns in Texas and

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Speaker 1: California in twenty twenty, I don't think so. Um, I

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Speaker 1: mean That's that's one factor. Well, thanks, Sean. I know

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Speaker 1: you're gonna stick around for the next segment, So thank

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show. We'll be right back with more after

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Speaker 1: this quick break. Welcome back. You're listening to the buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show. I'm Harland Hill filling in for a buck.

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Speaker 1: I'm back with Democratic consultant John Rally. He's a partner

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Speaker 1: at Counterpoint Messaging. John. Over the weekend we had footage

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01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 1: of Democrats like Senator Menendez from New Jersey parting with

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01:24:57,479 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 1: lobbyists on the beach, heading on the beach in Puerto Rico,

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01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 1: and in context of the shutdown, it kind of struck

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01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:07,599
Speaker 1: me as a little tone death. Is that the vibe

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01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 1: that you got from the other side of the aisle?

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01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 1: Or are we over reading this year? Well, I mean,

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01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 1: you know, I think the Democrats had done about any

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01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:17,600
Speaker 1: everything they could do to put a deal on the

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Speaker 1: table for the President, and he just kept saying no.

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Speaker 1: And so, you know, I mean, whether Puerto Rico was

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Speaker 1: a strategic flourish that will be a positive. You know,

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01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:31,240
Speaker 1: whether going to Hamilton or not was a good idea,

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01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:33,040
Speaker 1: but also that's a that's a place where they put

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01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 1: some money into the economy that had been hard hit

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01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 1: by the hurricane, and also a huge failure of the president.

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01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:42,600
Speaker 1: So I think the biggest challenge is that the president

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01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 1: owned the shutdown up front, and he is and I

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01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:50,679
Speaker 1: think most polling is showing that even beyond Democrats, among

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01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:55,559
Speaker 1: even Republicans and independence people are playing at his feet. Well,

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01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:58,839
Speaker 1: I gotta take issue there with your assessment of Democrats

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01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 1: willing to come to the table and work out a

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01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 1: deal in the shutdown. I mean, they're not willing to

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01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:05,519
Speaker 1: compromise at all on funding for the border wall, which

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01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:08,759
Speaker 1: I kind of think is very interesting because in twenty thirteen,

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01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 1: all fifty four Democrats in the Senate voted to pass

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Speaker 1: the Border Security, Economic Opportunity and Immigration Modernization Act, which

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Speaker 1: included forty six billion dollars in border security improvements and

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01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 1: added seven hundred miles of border fencing, exactly what the

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Speaker 1: present's looking to do today. So the presence asking for

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01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 1: five billions to day back in twenty thirteen, every single

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01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:32,800
Speaker 1: Democrat voted for forty six billion dollars. Where's the difference here? Like,

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01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 1: what changed since twenty thirteen that Democrats don't like fencing anymore.

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01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:39,280
Speaker 1: It's not the exact same wall. But I am glad

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01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 1: you're emphasizing that Democrats are for border security used to

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01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:47,600
Speaker 1: be well, and they still are. I mean, the ridiculousness

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01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 1: of the wall. I mean, even most of Trump's supporters

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01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 1: don't believe he's actually going to do it, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I guess, I guess we're never going to get Mexico

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Speaker 1: to pay for it either. I mean, it's just, I mean,

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01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 1: his whole thing was a pitch. It wasn't an actual policy,

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01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 1: and I think even a lot of I mean a

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01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:06,720
Speaker 1: lot of his supporters were caught on tape even in

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01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 1: the primary and general saying he's just he's just saying

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01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:11,800
Speaker 1: that he doesn't really believe he's going to get it done.

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01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:14,599
Speaker 1: And so you know now that we're, you know, weeks

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Speaker 1: into the shutdown over something that this wasn't a believable policy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, gosh, at least, whether you just agree or

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Speaker 1: disagree teriffs and taxes and things like that, or at

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01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:28,839
Speaker 1: least believable policies. This has always just been a fandom,

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01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:31,800
Speaker 1: It's been a sales pitch. Well, now Democrats are saying,

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Speaker 1: including Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi saying that walls are immoral. Well,

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01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:39,360
Speaker 1: you guys voted for seven hundred miles of it in

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Speaker 1: twenty thirteen. Like, I just don't understand. Forgive me, I

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01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:46,600
Speaker 1: don't understand the discrepancy. It comes off as very disingenuous

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01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:51,040
Speaker 1: of Democrats and now oppose fencing, steel slat fencing exactly

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01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:53,360
Speaker 1: what the President is proposing now, not a concrete wall,

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01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:56,679
Speaker 1: when you guys supported it just a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 1: I don't, I really, I earnestly do not understand how

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Speaker 1: they weren't immoral back then but now they are. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's so much of the President's policy it's

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Speaker 1: a it's a moral around this. I mean in terms

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01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:15,480
Speaker 1: of the in terms of the families and the detainees

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01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:17,840
Speaker 1: and the people that have been harmed and injured. I mean,

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01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 1: there's a I think I think the Democrats listen, and

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01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:25,520
Speaker 1: you know, I am a frequent critic often when Democrats

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01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 1: dropped the ball on things, whether it's policy or politics,

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01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:31,519
Speaker 1: But on this one, I think, you know, digging in

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01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:34,280
Speaker 1: on a matter of principle. When the when the president

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01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:37,559
Speaker 1: shutting down the government is the right human move, it's

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01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:39,720
Speaker 1: the right policy move, and I think it's the right

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01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:43,960
Speaker 1: long term political move, maybe the right political move for Democrats,

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01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:46,559
Speaker 1: but I struggle to understand how it's the right moral one.

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01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:49,960
Speaker 1: I mean, when two thirds, according to a report the

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01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:52,920
Speaker 1: CBS had to to publish as a correction to one

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01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:55,280
Speaker 1: of their fact checks, two thirds of the women and

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01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:58,599
Speaker 1: children that are coming across the border or molested at

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01:28:58,640 --> 01:29:02,360
Speaker 1: some point during their journey through Mexico, and women and

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01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:07,559
Speaker 1: children are being trafficked over the border illegally. Um, there's

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01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:11,160
Speaker 1: clearly a crisis of morality at the border that we

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01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:14,160
Speaker 1: could address by having a more secure border, right, I mean,

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01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:16,559
Speaker 1: if we cut off the source for these people that

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01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:19,720
Speaker 1: are that are traveling people across the border. So and

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01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:22,559
Speaker 1: why the president can't come together on strategies at work?

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01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:25,720
Speaker 1: I mean the old build a ten foot wall and

1624
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a twelve foot ladder at some point.

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01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:32,679
Speaker 1: I mean, is the sort of thing that John McCain

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01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:35,800
Speaker 1: and Lindsey Graham and a lot of other Republicans have

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01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:39,400
Speaker 1: embraced over time. And I mean I think time and

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01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 1: time again over the last ten to fifteen years, Democrats

1629
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:45,560
Speaker 1: have been at the table to finally have an immigration

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01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 1: reform Bill and the extreme right wing, the Tea Party wing,

1631
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:52,280
Speaker 1: the Trump wing of the Republican Party has blown up

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01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:55,639
Speaker 1: deals that some of the top Republicans, most well known

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01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:59,800
Speaker 1: Republicans in the country had had pre negotiated and everywhere,

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01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:02,080
Speaker 1: but John I gotta pushed back everywhere that there's a

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01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 1: border wall, some sort of fencing. Illegal crossings are down materially.

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01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 1: And we saw that play out in San Diego where

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01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 1: CNN asked a local station, Hey, can we get a

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01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:16,200
Speaker 1: reporter to talk about how the border wall doesn't work there?

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01:30:16,240 --> 01:30:18,800
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, no, it actually works here. CNN says, Okay,

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01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:20,519
Speaker 1: never mind, We're not interested in having one of your

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01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:24,599
Speaker 1: reporters come on air. So border walls do work. So

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01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:28,240
Speaker 1: what's like, what's the problem now, I'm really trying to

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01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:30,959
Speaker 1: drill down here. If you have to give some concessions,

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01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:33,400
Speaker 1: and the president's willing to give some concessions, He's even willing,

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01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:36,639
Speaker 1: he's even willing to work with Democrats and give them

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01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:39,880
Speaker 1: permanent status for DOCCA recipients. If the presidents willing to

1647
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:43,599
Speaker 1: give that much up to Democrats, why can't they give

1648
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:47,400
Speaker 1: him a measly five billion dollars less than point one

1649
01:30:47,479 --> 01:30:49,639
Speaker 1: percent of our annual budget, which is three point eight

1650
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:54,280
Speaker 1: trillion dollars. Why can't they give that very small concession

1651
01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:57,040
Speaker 1: just to appease the president, even if you don't think

1652
01:30:57,040 --> 01:31:02,240
Speaker 1: it matters. I mean, the Democrats have been at this table,

1653
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:05,040
Speaker 1: and they've also been clear all along this is this

1654
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:07,479
Speaker 1: is not going to happen. I mean, so if it's

1655
01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:11,599
Speaker 1: that easily of amount of money, um and and there's

1656
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 1: a huge consensus that it won't work, I mean, why

1657
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:17,360
Speaker 1: would we shut down the government. But there is consensus

1658
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:21,280
Speaker 1: that it does work where crossings are down everywhere we

1659
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 1: put up these border walls. So we just can't agree

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01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:25,200
Speaker 1: on the facts. That's the problem. That's the problem, and

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01:31:25,240 --> 01:31:28,240
Speaker 1: maybe that's why Washington is broken. But John, Hey, I

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01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:30,080
Speaker 1: really appreciate your time today. I think we had a good,

1663
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:31,880
Speaker 1: good to be a good conversation on the on the

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01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:34,240
Speaker 1: makeup of the twenty twenty field, and on the shutdown.

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Speaker 1: Here Where can people learn more about what you do? Sure?

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Speaker 1: if we have another hour, we could maybe get through

1668
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Speaker 1: the rest of the democratic field. We we sped through

1669
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:49,640
Speaker 1: it pretty well, that's right. Thanks John, you're listening to

1670
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:51,679
Speaker 1: the Buck Sexton Show. We'll be back with more after

1671
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:54,679
Speaker 1: this quick break. Welcome back. You're listening to the Buck

1672
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:56,920
Speaker 1: Sexton Show. I'm Harlan Hill filling in for Buck. The

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Speaker 1: phone lines are open to give us a call at

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Speaker 1: eight four four nine eight two five. That's eight four

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Speaker 1: four nine hundred. Fuck. Even before the government shutdown, the

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Speaker 1: markets were under considerable pressure in the last quarter of

1677
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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, and as a Trump supporter, this gave me

1678
01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:14,719
Speaker 1: some serious heartburn as we looked at twenty twenty, because frankly,

1679
01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:19,160
Speaker 1: I believe that old trope it's the economy stupid, and

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01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:21,719
Speaker 1: so I thought I would have somebody come in who's

1681
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:24,200
Speaker 1: an expert at this to talk me off the ledge.

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01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:28,040
Speaker 1: So I've got John Hartley. He's an economics commentator that

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Speaker 1: you'll find Informs magazine and on Foxnews dot com. John,

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01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:35,360
Speaker 1: thanks for joining me. Thanks for having me, Harland. So first,

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to ask a very simple question. Are

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01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:40,120
Speaker 1: we headed for a recession between now and the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty presidential election? Harland, I think it's unlikely. I think

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Speaker 1: if you look at heart economic data where we're at today,

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Speaker 1: the unemployment rates below four percent, unemployment, insurance claims are

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01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:58,679
Speaker 1: at a post war low, and GDP growth is looking

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01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:00,479
Speaker 1: like it they're going to come in at around three

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01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 1: percent for twenty eighteen. All of these things are evidence

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01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:09,680
Speaker 1: of what I would call it a gangbusters economy. I

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01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:12,439
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of people who have become somewhat

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01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 1: concerned about what's been happening in financial markets as of late.

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01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:19,559
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of reasons why financial markets

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01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:24,240
Speaker 1: have been somewhat disconnected from the macroeconomy, one of them

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01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:28,040
Speaker 1: being what's happening on the global on the global stage

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01:33:28,160 --> 01:33:31,920
Speaker 1: is happening with the global economic growth. China has been

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01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:37,960
Speaker 1: adversely impacted by the ongoing trade negotiations between the US

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01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:41,080
Speaker 1: and China. It's important to remember that forty percent of

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01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:46,000
Speaker 1: SMP five hundred earnings come from overseas, and so the

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01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:48,759
Speaker 1: US stock market, while it may seem like it's specific

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01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:52,640
Speaker 1: to the US, is actually can van flow depending on

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01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:55,559
Speaker 1: what's happening in international markets. If you look, as of

1706
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:59,320
Speaker 1: right now, the US economy stands above and beyond all

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01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:02,559
Speaker 1: the other country. Most other economies around the world are

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01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:05,800
Speaker 1: certainly and developed an emerging markets, and so I think

1709
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:08,800
Speaker 1: what's happening is there's a big disconnect between what's happening

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01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 1: in financial markets and what's happening in the US economy.

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01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:15,479
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be too concerned about what's happening as it

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01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:18,960
Speaker 1: right now as it relates to whether we're heading toward

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01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:24,320
Speaker 1: a recession or not. On average, recessions happened approximately fifteen

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01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:28,040
Speaker 1: percent of the time, and so I think I wouldn't

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01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:32,040
Speaker 1: be too concerned between now and in twenty twenty. Certainly

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01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:33,640
Speaker 1: something that I think you want to keep an eye on,

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01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:36,720
Speaker 1: but it's not something that I'm too worried about. I

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01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:38,639
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of Democrats out there that maybe

1719
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:41,920
Speaker 1: are hoping that a recession could happen, but I think

1720
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:44,280
Speaker 1: it's unlikely. Well, and one thing that was sort of

1721
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:46,280
Speaker 1: a silver lining is that, you know, every time the

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01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:50,920
Speaker 1: Bureau of Labor Statistics comes out with a report like yeah,

1723
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:52,960
Speaker 1: then they came out the report for December, I mean,

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01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:56,160
Speaker 1: the jobs growth looks solid, you know, I mean and

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01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:59,760
Speaker 1: even wage growth and so yeah, so it seems like

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01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:03,280
Speaker 1: despite the termolile and the markets and this this correction,

1727
01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:06,400
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what it is. It is a market correction. Um,

1728
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:08,920
Speaker 1: you know, it seems like the underlying economy is solid,

1729
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:13,000
Speaker 1: I mean, and this underlies the longest expansion in post

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01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:17,800
Speaker 1: war history. UM. And so do you think that at

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01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:20,479
Speaker 1: least that is what is what you're projecting, is at

1732
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:22,960
Speaker 1: least that trend continues or are you seeing that things

1733
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:24,920
Speaker 1: are starting to slow down in terms of you know,

1734
01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:29,080
Speaker 1: the microt I mean answer that the macro economics as well. Yeah,

1735
01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:32,760
Speaker 1: I think that I tenderly agree with you that, uh,

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01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:37,280
Speaker 1: you know, the longest post war uh, the longest post

1737
01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:41,599
Speaker 1: war expansion. UH, doesn't seem to show any signs as slowing.

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01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:44,920
Speaker 1: I think unemployment claims over the past few weeks have

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01:35:45,320 --> 01:35:49,759
Speaker 1: been flight like slightly elevated, but it's still very close

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01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:54,200
Speaker 1: to post war lows. Uh. I think one thing that

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01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:57,320
Speaker 1: you're seeing, and I think that one thing that positively

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01:35:57,360 --> 01:36:01,719
Speaker 1: contributed to economic growth last year. Many forecasters would agree

1743
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:05,160
Speaker 1: that tax reform, the Tax Custom Jobs Act, which was

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01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:07,280
Speaker 1: passed at the end of twenty seventeen. This is President

1745
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:11,800
Speaker 1: trump signature tax law and signature legislative achievement, had a

1746
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:16,280
Speaker 1: lot to do with writing investment or writing cabacs. So

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01:36:16,320 --> 01:36:20,120
Speaker 1: that those are things like factories, new equipment purchases that

1748
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:23,920
Speaker 1: that US companies have made. That all played a lot

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01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:26,920
Speaker 1: into the wonderful economic numbers that we saw last year.

1750
01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:30,599
Speaker 1: As you pointed out, we had a very strong job

1751
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:33,559
Speaker 1: to report from December around two hundred and ninety thousand

1752
01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:37,320
Speaker 1: jobs or out of the economy. Also, in wages are

1753
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:40,920
Speaker 1: passing three percent now, and so that when you take

1754
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:44,120
Speaker 1: out inflation, that's one percent of real wage growth, something

1755
01:36:44,120 --> 01:36:47,320
Speaker 1: that we haven't seen consistently and brilliant in decades. So

1756
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:50,519
Speaker 1: I think that, well, when you hop in there real quick,

1757
01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:52,280
Speaker 1: I mean, one of the one of the concerns that

1758
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:54,720
Speaker 1: I see is that is this government shutdown. I mean,

1759
01:36:54,720 --> 01:36:58,000
Speaker 1: we're seeing we're seeing the we're hearing the threat of

1760
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:01,000
Speaker 1: downgrade of US credit rating, you know from triple A

1761
01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:04,120
Speaker 1: U if this, if this shutdown were to continue, and

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01:37:04,160 --> 01:37:06,680
Speaker 1: then if we hit our debt ceiling beyond that. Um,

1763
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:14,440
Speaker 1: that those both seem like triggers that could truly undermine

1764
01:37:15,240 --> 01:37:18,599
Speaker 1: the trajectory of the economy going into twenty twenty. And

1765
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:22,400
Speaker 1: I don't see the President flinching on this shutdown. UM.

1766
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:26,800
Speaker 1: And at the same time, I don't see Democrats flinching either. So, UM,

1767
01:37:27,320 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 1: is that reason to be concerned? I mean, do you

1768
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:31,200
Speaker 1: do you think that that's being overplayed by some of

1769
01:37:31,240 --> 01:37:33,240
Speaker 1: the economists and some of the commentators that I you

1770
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:36,120
Speaker 1: know here on Bloomberg and c NBC. Um, Or is

1771
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:39,599
Speaker 1: that a real concern if the shutdown as to continue, Well,

1772
01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:43,599
Speaker 1: it's a great Uh, it's a great question. Uh there

1773
01:37:43,640 --> 01:37:47,240
Speaker 1: are a costs associated with a shutdown, or that there

1774
01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:51,840
Speaker 1: is an impact, But I think as of right now,

1775
01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:54,960
Speaker 1: I think it's been relatively small. I think it nonlinearly

1776
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:59,160
Speaker 1: increases over time. So I think if the shutdown, which

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01:37:59,320 --> 01:38:01,600
Speaker 1: is I think now twenty four days long, if it

1778
01:38:01,680 --> 01:38:04,080
Speaker 1: were to go on for another three months, I think

1779
01:38:04,280 --> 01:38:06,439
Speaker 1: that's you know, the point where I think you'd want

1780
01:38:06,479 --> 01:38:10,240
Speaker 1: to start maybe being very concerned. Um. But I think

1781
01:38:10,240 --> 01:38:14,160
Speaker 1: as right now, only two or three weeks, I think

1782
01:38:14,479 --> 01:38:17,040
Speaker 1: isn't something to be overly concerned about. I would agree

1783
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:19,800
Speaker 1: with you that I think it's been somewhat over hyped,

1784
01:38:20,479 --> 01:38:24,160
Speaker 1: uh in um in the financial press that tries to

1785
01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:27,200
Speaker 1: sort of weave a story around every every daily move

1786
01:38:27,240 --> 01:38:31,200
Speaker 1: in the market. But that that being said, you know,

1787
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:34,360
Speaker 1: to your point about down grades, Uh, you know the

1788
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:37,240
Speaker 1: yes that was been downgraded before if you remember in

1789
01:38:37,439 --> 01:38:42,200
Speaker 1: September twenty eleven, Uh, it was downgraded. Uh. And this

1790
01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:45,400
Speaker 1: has to do with a standoff over a dead ceiling

1791
01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:48,720
Speaker 1: raid UM and what happened there is you actually did

1792
01:38:48,760 --> 01:38:54,800
Speaker 1: have markets um go haywire, but there was no macroeconomic

1793
01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:58,320
Speaker 1: followed from that event. And so I think, you know,

1794
01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:01,120
Speaker 1: if you look at two thousand and eight where the

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01:39:01,200 --> 01:39:05,439
Speaker 1: raiding agencies had so many subprime mortgage, so many subprime

1796
01:39:05,479 --> 01:39:08,000
Speaker 1: mortgages raided triple A, I think the credit agencies can

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01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:09,760
Speaker 1: get it wrong, and in my opinion, I think they

1798
01:39:09,880 --> 01:39:12,360
Speaker 1: got it wrong when they deal in graded USB in

1799
01:39:12,439 --> 01:39:14,720
Speaker 1: twenty eleven. And if they do it again now, you know,

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01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:18,599
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if markets overreacted. There's a lot

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01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:24,760
Speaker 1: of behavioral psychology that goes into market movements, and I

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01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:27,720
Speaker 1: think that also plays into why we've recently seen the

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01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:31,439
Speaker 1: downturn in markets. There's a lot of certain types of traders,

1804
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:35,200
Speaker 1: momentum traders that can have an impact on markets as well.

1805
01:39:35,720 --> 01:39:39,480
Speaker 1: But again, I don't think any of those individual factors

1806
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:43,320
Speaker 1: is probably enough to derail the economy. There's really only

1807
01:39:43,320 --> 01:39:47,800
Speaker 1: two reasons why economy will go into recession, at least

1808
01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:49,559
Speaker 1: in the kind of the postwar history. One of them

1809
01:39:49,640 --> 01:39:53,400
Speaker 1: is the FED when they raise rates very high in

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01:39:53,479 --> 01:39:57,519
Speaker 1: response to high inflation, that can put the economy into recession.

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01:39:57,520 --> 01:39:59,320
Speaker 1: That happens in the early eighties when you had Paul

1812
01:39:59,360 --> 01:40:01,479
Speaker 1: Volker raising interest rates in early age of twenty percent.

1813
01:40:01,880 --> 01:40:04,519
Speaker 1: And the second cause of recessions in the US and

1814
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:07,599
Speaker 1: the post war period has been financial imbalances. So these

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01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:10,479
Speaker 1: are things like the tech bubble in the late nineties

1816
01:40:10,520 --> 01:40:13,240
Speaker 1: where you had all your friends were starting to dot

1817
01:40:13,280 --> 01:40:17,800
Speaker 1: com companies in getting bridge very quickly and very weird

1818
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:21,639
Speaker 1: strange access is happening. Uh in. Similarly, in two thousand

1819
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:26,240
Speaker 1: and seven and eight you had a housing bubble emerged,

1820
01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:29,439
Speaker 1: and so those are exstinancial imbalances that can that can

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01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:33,679
Speaker 1: cause recessions down on top of FED or called policy mistakes.

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01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:36,679
Speaker 1: Those are the two sort of leading causes, and as

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01:40:36,680 --> 01:40:39,040
Speaker 1: of right now, I don't really see either of those

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01:40:39,120 --> 01:40:42,880
Speaker 1: being the case. Certainly with FED interest rates special term

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01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:45,519
Speaker 1: intrates being close to two percent, well below the twenty

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01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 1: percent of the Vulgar era, uh IN. I think with

1827
01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:52,960
Speaker 1: stancial imbalances, you know, corporate debt issuance, nonstancial corporate debt

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01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:55,880
Speaker 1: issuance is maybe a bit higher than historical norms. But

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01:40:56,120 --> 01:41:00,920
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily see that as being a massive financial

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01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:04,680
Speaker 1: access that poses some threat to the macroeconomy. That's reassuring.

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01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:06,960
Speaker 1: I mean, and you know, if one takeaway, if if

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01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:09,040
Speaker 1: I've had one positive takeaway from all of this, it's

1833
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:12,000
Speaker 1: that it does seem like in terms of raising interest rates,

1834
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:13,720
Speaker 1: the Feed is going to take a step back and

1835
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:15,800
Speaker 1: maybe maybe slow down this year. Is that? Is that

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01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:19,000
Speaker 1: your your read on it too? For twenty nineteen. Yeah,

1837
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:23,599
Speaker 1: if you look at what both Jeroan Powell or j Powell,

1838
01:41:24,040 --> 01:41:26,040
Speaker 1: Chairman of the Fed's been saying with Vice chair the

1839
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:30,280
Speaker 1: set has been saying what said funds futures market has

1840
01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:35,880
Speaker 1: been forecasting right now, the market expects around one the

1841
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:39,960
Speaker 1: two hikes happening next year. Uh. The Fed is now

1842
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:43,639
Speaker 1: forecasting I think two. I think it's important to remember

1843
01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:48,040
Speaker 1: how low interest rates are compared to their historical norms. Uh,

1844
01:41:48,240 --> 01:41:51,080
Speaker 1: you know, two percent. You know, it's it's high or sorry,

1845
01:41:51,120 --> 01:41:52,760
Speaker 1: two and a half percent, which is where the upper

1846
01:41:52,800 --> 01:41:56,320
Speaker 1: bound of the FED funds ranges right now. Even though

1847
01:41:56,360 --> 01:41:59,280
Speaker 1: it's high, I think it's still low relative to UH

1848
01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:03,280
Speaker 1: to historical standards. And so yeah, I would agree with

1849
01:42:03,320 --> 01:42:05,080
Speaker 1: you that the FED I think is taking a pause

1850
01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:08,280
Speaker 1: right now, and I think ultimately that'll have a reassuring

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01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:12,160
Speaker 1: impact both on markets in the economy as well. And

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01:42:12,439 --> 01:42:14,960
Speaker 1: the reason why they're raising intrace to begin with was

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01:42:15,120 --> 01:42:19,240
Speaker 1: concerns about inflation, and that I think have borne out

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01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:23,400
Speaker 1: to be someone alleviated as well. If GPI is now

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01:42:23,439 --> 01:42:25,680
Speaker 1: around two point two percent year over a year, I'm

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01:42:25,720 --> 01:42:29,200
Speaker 1: close to its two percent target, so I wouldn't be

1857
01:42:29,240 --> 01:42:33,360
Speaker 1: too concerned about too many more FED rate heikes causing

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01:42:33,400 --> 01:42:36,679
Speaker 1: some sort of a policy mistake. I think they're being

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01:42:36,840 --> 01:42:39,840
Speaker 1: very carefully dadependent. All right, well, John, thank you very

1860
01:42:39,880 --> 01:42:41,479
Speaker 1: much for talking me off the ledge there. I'm feeling

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01:42:41,479 --> 01:42:43,960
Speaker 1: a little bit better about our prospects and we'll be

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Speaker 1: sure to have you back on again soon. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me. We'll be back after this quick break with more.

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Speaker 1: nothing that the president can do that would appease Democrats.

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Speaker 1: He literally nominated someone for attorney general. The Democrats lauded

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Speaker 1: right in, mister barr They previously lauded him. They've around

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Speaker 1: the funeral of George H. W. Bush, they lauded him

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Speaker 1: as well, And the President decided to bring mister Barr

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Speaker 1: in as his attorney general. And you would think that

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Speaker 1: with that George H. W. Bush heritage, and given the

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Speaker 1: fact that they were just talking about how great that

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Speaker 1: period of time was, that they would see a lot

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Speaker 1: of virtue in that decision. Nope, if you watch the

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Speaker 1: hearings today, they did not. They did not. And so

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Speaker 1: what we're seeing is a fundamental breakdown in the way

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Speaker 1: that our government is operating. And I am concerned because

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Speaker 1: I look at what's happening abroad. I look at Britain,

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Speaker 1: for example, where tonight they had a vote on Brexit,

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Speaker 1: and I can see the dysfunction with which their democracy

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Speaker 1: is barely functioning. And I worry now looking at our

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Speaker 1: government shutdown, looking at the obstructionists and the Democratic Party

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Speaker 1: turning down the President at every turn, even when he

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Speaker 1: tries to do things that they would do, that the

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Speaker 1: Democrats would want to do, for instance, infrastructure spending. When

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Speaker 1: he tries to come to the table with solutions the

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Speaker 1: Democrats should love, with nominations the Democrats should love, they

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Speaker 1: say no, they cry foul, they say that he's a racist.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is not hypervle anymore. This is the

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Speaker 1: reality in which we're living. And so I look at

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Speaker 1: that example of Brexit and how dysfunctional they are, and

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Speaker 1: how they're about to potentially toss out their prime minister

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Speaker 1: over this Brexit vote, and I'm like, gosh, Western democracy

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Speaker 1: is in trouble. And it's clear why. The common thread

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Speaker 1: through all of this is that there has been a

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Speaker 1: push to populous nationalism. There's been a push to give

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Speaker 1: voice to the people of their own to put your

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Speaker 1: own country first, in the case of Britain, to put

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Speaker 1: Britain's first, and in the case of America, to put

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Speaker 1: Americans first, and that's been rejected wholesale by the establishments

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Speaker 1: of both parties, by the establishment of the Labor Party

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Speaker 1: in the UK and by the establishment but the Conservative

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Speaker 1: Party in the UK, by the establishment of the Democrat

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Speaker 1: and Republican parties here in the United States. And as

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Speaker 1: long as those puishments refused to recognize that there's been

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Speaker 1: a tectonic shift in geopolitics under their feet and they

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Speaker 1: didn't see it coming in either the case of Brexit

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Speaker 1: or President Trump. Until they realize that this has happened,

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Speaker 1: until they come to terms with why it happened, until

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Speaker 1: they start listening, so they start listening to voters, they

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Speaker 1: won't understand it. They think that these things were flukes,

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Speaker 1: and I believe in the case of American politics that

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Speaker 1: they will be proven wrong in twenty twenty when President

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Speaker 1: Trump is reelected remains to be seen. What happens in

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Speaker 1: the UK. I mean, they've got a big mess on

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Speaker 1: their hands, big mess, much bigger than the one that

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Speaker 1: we have. But it gives me pause because there's not

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Speaker 1: enough listening. What we see instead is that those establishments

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Speaker 1: try to write off these movements, which are really the

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Speaker 1: product of you of neglect by the establishment of middle

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Speaker 1: class people. As long as they continue to neglect them.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think that people are going to get

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Speaker 1: even matter. This problem won't go away. You can stick

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Speaker 1: your head in the sand. But you know what, the

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Speaker 1: middle class in the West is being destroyed. And they

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Speaker 1: look at what's happening with mass migration gutting their wages,

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Speaker 1: and they say, what in the world is happening here? Why?

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Speaker 1: You know, like I'm crying out for a job, right

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Speaker 1: and I'm crying out for better wages. I want my

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Speaker 1: kids to have the opportunities that I thought that they

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Speaker 1: would have that I had, and I think they're going

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Speaker 1: to have a worse off chance. They're looking beyond migration.

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Speaker 1: They're looking towards automation. They have a lot of anxiety

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Speaker 1: about is my job going to be anxiety or is

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Speaker 1: my job going to be automated? That's another problem beyond that,

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Speaker 1: you know, they're looking towards the way that you know,

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Speaker 1: the people and are native people in their own countries

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Speaker 1: have been subjugated. Like enough of this. You know, just

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Speaker 1: because I'm a white male doesn't mean that I have

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Speaker 1: at all benefited from a patriarchy, right. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: out there struggling every day. Don't write off my problems

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Speaker 1: and concerns as less than than others. And so this

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Speaker 1: is a time of a lot of pain and transition,

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Speaker 1: and I hope the establishments of both parties wake up

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Speaker 1: and realize that they need to do a lot more listening. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I'll be back soon. I really appreciate Buck for his

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Speaker 1: time tonight, and I thank you for listening. If you

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Speaker 1: want to follow me, I'm on Twitter at Harlan h

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Speaker 1: A R. L An. Have a good night. This is

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Speaker 1: the Buck Sexton Show.