WEBVTT - Demise of Our Democracy 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:14.840 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay F Daily with 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:18.200 me your girl, Danielle Moody, recording live from our pod 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:22.639 stream studios here in Times Square. Dear friends, I'm going 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:26.639 to get into a conversation with Glenn Kirshner in a 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:32.360 bit about the latest sentencing for two insurrectionists that happened 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:37.520 late last week. I have to start off by saying this. 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:43.400 I know that generally I had come to you as 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:47.040 ye of little faith, and the truth is is that 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:51.200 I got into this work because I believe in democracy. 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:54.400 I believe in the power of people to create change. 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:57.120 I do, however, believe that the people need to be 0:00:57.200 --> 0:01:01.400 motivated in order to want to create change. And how 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:04.880 do you motivate people to take action on their own 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:10.240 behalfs Well, you restore their faith in the institutions that 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:16.119 our government says are meant to protect us. Right. Well, 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:22.800 here we are with a new administration, with a new 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:26.200 Department of Justice and a new leader of said department, 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:31.319 Merrick Garland, who has proven over the last ten months 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:36.000 that I'm not one hundred percent sure he's up to 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:41.319 the job, and by that I mean that he understands 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:44.720 and sees very clearly the urgency of the moment that 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:49.880 we are in see politics plays too big a part 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:54.040 in the decisions that we make for better or worse 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:57.240 in this country. What do I mean by that? I 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:03.360 mean that Democrats fall tuly succumb to the whims of 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:08.000 Republicans when Republicans will go after them and say, you're 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:11.680 being partisan right for wanting to vote down party lines, 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:14.079 and you're not sticking to what you told the American 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:18.760 people about bipartisanship and collaboration, knowing good god damn well, 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:22.200 that they are not good faith actors, right. We've seen 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:25.120 this over the last ten months, but we also saw 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:28.399 it over the last four years of the Trump administration 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:31.720 that Republicans don't act in good faith. And so when 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:36.080 Democrats come out and try to assuage the American people's 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:39.919 anxiety about not having a function in government and say 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:42.400 that they are going to do everything that Joe Biden 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:45.200 is a creature of Capitol Hill and he knows how 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:48.320 to navigate the Hill and members of the Senate and 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:51.480 get things done. He is to get things done, guy. 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:56.160 That's what they campaigned on. That's why we were told 0:02:56.240 --> 0:03:01.280 to choose Joe Biden above the newer, more aggressive candidates 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:04.840 like let's say and Elizabeth Warren or a Bernie Standards 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:09.160 or dare I say a Kamala Harris. We were told 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:13.240 that those people did not have right, They were not 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:17.440 held in the same steam and regard as a Joe Biden, 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:22.120 that a Mitch McConnell would never dare to do what 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:26.240 he did under the Obama administration, to a Joe Biden 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:29.120 that he sat shoulder and shoulder within the Senate for 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:32.480 thirty fucking years. No, like, these are people that know 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.480 each other and know each other's heart. Right. That's the 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:40.160 line of bullshit that we were fed. Well, the reality 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:44.840 is coming to bear now, which is that the Senate 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:48.840 of Joe Biden's yester year, the Senate of the Ted 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:52.720 Kennedy's of the world, is long gone. Right, they are 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:57.720 not the deliberative body. We do not have a functioning government, 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:01.640 because if we did, right, then the Mother Report would 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:09.480 have been enough to persuade Republicans to act not in 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.600 doing the quote unquote right thing or the moral thing, 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:17.359 but in doing the legally imperative thing, which was to 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:22.680 remove Donald Trump from the presidency because he proved himself 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:28.600 to be unfaithful to our constitution, unfaithful to the oath 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:31.839 that he took to protect the American people and to 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:36.600 protect our institutions. He did, in fact, the complete and 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:42.719 total opposite. Given all of that, you would think then 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:48.280 that the insurrection that occurred ten months ago would be 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:54.480 the exclamation fucking point on the entirety of why it 0:04:54.560 --> 0:05:00.600 is necessary that we wrap up this criminal trump admit illustration, 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:06.040 and wrap them up and put them in a federal prison. 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:11.719 Because it is not about the partisanship of going of 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:17.240 Democrats going after a Republican. It's supposed to be that 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:23.440 our elected leaders would go after and ensure that the 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:27.359 sanctity of the office and the preservation of our constitution 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:31.680 comes above everything else, and so they would take action 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:37.000 regardless of whether or not it would cost them their 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:39.960 mid term election, or whether or not it would cost 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:49.480 them some ire from those trumpets. But here we are, folks, 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:56.800 ten months into this administration, ten months from the insurrection 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:03.880 where our government, our capital building fell to the hands 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:10.120 of white domestic terrorists. How did it fall? Because according 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:16.240 to the notes from the sentencing of the two Ohio 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:23.880 insurrectionists that were sentenced, folks to forty five days days 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:28.200 they were sentenced to, not forty five months, not forty 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:32.600 five years for attempting to overthrow the fucking government as 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:37.280 traders of our country, but forty five days for a 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:40.520 slap on the risk, because, as they tell it, they 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:43.479 got caught up in the you know, in the excitement 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:48.479 of the moment. What Glenn Kirshner will help us unpack 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:54.440 is that who was responsible for the quote unquote excitement 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:59.919 of the moment. It was Donald Trump, It was Rudy Giuliana, 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:05.600 It was Moe Brooks, right, it was Don Junior. It 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:08.599 was all of the people that stood up on the 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:13.400 diets at the quote unquote Stop the Steel rally and 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.440 told people to march down there and go and take 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:22.000 their country back, while pointing to the fucking capital that 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:28.480 it was their patriotic duty to do so. So, if 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.840 we're looking at this, right, folks, if we're if we're 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:37.160 looking at the Trump administration at the Stop the Steel 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:42.040 as a drug cartel. Okay, rock with me for a moment. 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:46.840 If we're looking at them like a drug cartel, and 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:51.160 we're looking at the actions of those people that stormed 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:57.360 the capital as drug dealers, right, just pushing the product 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:00.120 that the boss told them to push, which was what 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:03.120 the big lie. So instead of the rock, or instead 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:07.280 of cocaine or instead of whatever their drug of choice 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:10.520 is the big lie, so rock with me. So if 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:14.360 they are the low level drug offenders, and if we're 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:22.400 using this past former administration as the big pens, then 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:26.680 what do you do or what have you seen right 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:30.480 in every fucking movie and every courtroom on court TV 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:34.600 and otherwise, is that you would use you would pressure 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:41.320 the low level drug pushers, the street corner workers in 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:47.360 order to get to the big wig. That's how these 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:52.120 things usually work, that you work your way up right, 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:56.240 that you build up the evidence that is necessary to 0:08:56.360 --> 0:09:02.360 then pin the big case on the big people. But 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:08.320 here's the thing, we're not fucking doing that, and the 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:12.520 low level drug pushers of the big hopes, of the 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:17.800 big Lie are getting these fucking light sentencings, which are 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:22.960 signaling to the rest of you know, the insurrectionist dealers, 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:25.640 the rest of the big lie pushers, the rest of 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:28.760 the Boogoloo Boys and the Proud Boys and whatever other 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:32.679 white supremacist nationalist groups are popping up all over the 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:37.120 place that forty five days in federal prison is just 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:41.120 par for the course if we believe ourselves to be patriots, 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:44.320 and that's the least that you could do for your 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:53.000 chosen president and your country. Because unlike what our injustice 0:09:53.080 --> 0:10:00.480 system has done in the past, two other actual low 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:06.719 level drug offenders rights, throw the fucking book at them. Oh, 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:10.800 you have no redeemable qualities. Is essentially what our injustice 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:17.360 system says to low level drug offenders and drug pushers, right, 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:21.160 is that we're gonna stamp you out because we have 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:24.199 a war on drugs in this country. So we're gonna 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:28.520 give you, low level drug dealer, the maximum sentence that 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:33.520 you could possibly get for endangering the public moving illegal narcotics. 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:37.160 And each of these charges faces up to blah blah 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:40.720 blah a million years in prison. That's what the fuck 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:46.000 we have seen, right, because America created a war on 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:53.880 drugs for black and brown people, but created a tempest 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:57.760 of empathy when it came to the opioid crisis and 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:05.080 those responsible like the Sackler's for the opioid crisis. So 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:12.040 here again, here we are now in present day, where 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:16.240 if we thought that the Department of Justice was actually 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:21.319 doing its fucking job, then what we would see from 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:26.760 these recommendations to the judges is not a handful of 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:31.600 fucking months in prison that they would actually be going 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:37.920 after every single one of these insurrectionists as they would 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:44.360 any other fucking terrorist. But this is why we can't 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:53.960 divorce race and class and privilege from these sentencing. This 0:11:54.080 --> 0:12:00.080 is why our injustice system is working just how it 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:04.480 was always meant to be, to look at black and 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:10.520 brown people as the problem that needs to be locked 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:16.760 away and treated like animals, and given white people as 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:21.480 many fucking chances and opportunities to fuck up over and 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:28.160 over and over and over again with very little fucking consequences. Now, 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:33.480 Glenn Kirshner will tell you that the initial ask of 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:39.480 the Justice Department in this Ohio case was six months, right, 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:44.080 He will say, you know, six months in federal prison, 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:49.920 Like nobody wants to be in federal prison. And I'm like, well, 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:55.640 if I'm a trumper, white supremist, which this is what 0:12:55.720 --> 0:13:01.240 this mob was, then I'm using this as like a 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:06.160 badge of honor. Right. I took one for my president. 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:09.760 I took one for the team. We may have lost 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:15.160 this battle for forty five whole days, but the war 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:23.040 is still gonna wage on because they caused an insurrection 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:30.800 and are facing none of the effects from it. So 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:33.280 when I say that, I am ye of little faith 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:38.680 because while we know that the Justice Department, any non 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:44.000 corrupt justice department, does not talk about who they're investigating 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:46.319 or whether or not indictments are going to comm It's 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:52.559 always leaked in some form or fashion. But how they 0:13:52.640 --> 0:14:00.360 go after these underlings would signal to America that what 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:06.480 happened on one six was a serious fucking national security 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:10.680 breach and threat to our democracy, and that if we 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:13.600 do not put the full force and extent of the 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:22.680 law right behind these actions, to signal that anyone else 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:28.760 that dare concoct a plan to try and throw a election, 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:33.240 a democratic election, you won't see the light of day again. 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:39.040 But that, folks, is not what the fucking Justice Department 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:49.440 is doing. Instead, they are just giving these people, these privileged, 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:56.320 white fucking people, a slap on the wrist. Oh, they 0:14:56.400 --> 0:15:00.400 didn't know. They got caught up in the excite ament 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:08.200 of beating police officers, of knocking their teeth out of 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:15.280 you know, gouging out their eyeballs, of fracturing spines. They 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:18.720 just got caught up in the harm that they caused 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:24.880 to over one hundred and sixty seven police officers. They 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:30.240 got caught up in the millions of dollars with their 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:35.360 damage that they did to the Capitol Building. They got 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:42.720 caught up in the chance that said hang Mike Pence. 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:46.600 They didn't mean it, They weren't really gonna do it 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:52.200 if they caught him. They just got caught up. Coming 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:57.520 up next is my conversation with our friend Glenn Kirshner, 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:03.680 a host of Justice Matters on YouTube and MSNBC Legal analysts. 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:06.560 He is going to walk us through where we are 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:10.760 and where he thinks we are headed. That is coming 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:15.360 up next. Friends. You know that every week when we 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:19.280 have the opportunity to be joined by our friend, host 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:23.160 of Justice Matters on YouTube and on Patreon, Glenn Kirshner, 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:28.640 I leave some weeks more hopeful, some not so much. Glenn, 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:37.120 two insurrectionists were sentenced, and on your show, Justice Matters, 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:40.640 you kind of you walked your audience through what the 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:46.640 prosecution had said, where the doj sits. But I'm telling 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:50.920 you that the lengths of these sentencing, the kind of 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:55.880 nonchalance that I feel like these judges are having in 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:59.120 this proceeding like, oh, everyone needs to be treated as 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:02.560 an individual, and you know, we need to take each 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:06.720 individual action. When it was a mob, it was a 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:12.639 white domestic terrorists mob that over took our capitol building. 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:19.400 And one other thing is that we cannot divorce ourselves 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:23.440 of race and racism and how that is playing out 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:27.679 in the sentencing and in the coverage of these cases, 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:31.159 of these trials. And so talk to us about the 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:36.280 two Ohio insurrectionists that were just sentenced and what you 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:42.440 were feeling with regard to what was delivered down to them. Danielle, 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:46.359 I had to dig deep to find the hope this week, 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:51.400 because you know, this week it felt like sun was 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:56.840 setting on the prospect of justice rather than rising. I 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:59.800 haven't given up hope, but you know, when I see 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:06.680 two insurrectionists, one was named, but I'm not going to 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:12.200 accurately remember their name. They came from Ohio. Now, granted 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:15.920 they didn't assault anybody, they apparently didn't destroy property once 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:20.920 inside the capital, but the government let them plead guilty 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:25.320 to a misdemeanor which carries up to six months in prison, 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:28.720 and six months is nothing to sneeze at. Six minutes 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:32.280 is nothing to sneeze at, you know, and I appreciate that. 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:36.400 And the government ended up asking the judge for four 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:40.800 months in prison for each defendant, and the judge, to 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:46.280 my disappointment, only sentenced them to forty five days in prison. 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:50.520 Again nothing to sneeze at, but you know, it seems 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:56.720 that we are failing to recognize the severity of what 0:18:56.760 --> 0:19:02.720 the goal was of these folks. And let me turn 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:05.679 to some of the things that the prosecution said in 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:09.840 those two sentencing hearings. That is where I found at 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:15.080 least a little bit of hope the prosecutors. Their rhetoric 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:21.840 is strong. Their rhetoric seems to appreciate how dangerous these 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:27.800 crimes are. Unfortunately, their sentencing asks I think are too low. 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:31.480 They're just too low. Ye. So here's the rhetoric that 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:35.639 they used. They said that, you know, if you incite 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:39.800 a riot and if you contributed to the environment of 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:44.440 terror that day, their quote will be consequences. They went 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:48.440 on to say that if you incite a riot and 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:55.000 you intend to improperly influence the democratic process, their quote 0:19:55.280 --> 0:20:01.199 will be consequences. So who is it that incited a 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:06.159 riot to try to influence the democratic process? It was 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:09.399 Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani and Don Junior and Mo 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:12.639 Brooks and John Eastman, the people who whipped up the 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:19.280 crowd into the angry weapon that they became. So when 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:22.959 the prosecutors say to the judge in open court, and 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:27.000 by extension, say to the American people, if you do 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:31.439 these things, there will be consequences. Okay, DJ put up 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:36.720 or shut up, you know, bring charges against the people 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:41.520 who incited the riot in an attempt to improperly influence 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:45.919 the democratic process. Because here's where I am, Danielle. Every 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:49.920 day the Department of Justice fails to punish Donald Trump. 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:56.560 The Department of Justice is punishing the American people, and 0:20:56.720 --> 0:21:00.159 you have to take sides. Are you gonna side with 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:02.960 the American people? Are you going to side with law 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:06.000 and order? Are you going to side with a healthy democracy? 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:08.879 Or are you're going to keep siding with Donald Trump, 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:14.440 Rudy Giuliani, Moe Brookston Junior, John Eastman and the others. 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:17.399 I don't understand this, daniel I did a two minute 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:20.960 condensed video out of frustration that I posted first thing 0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:25.600 this morning on my YouTube channel. I swear you give 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:28.040 me three hours in front of one of my beloved 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:33.000 DC juries. I will secure a guilty verdict of Donald 0:21:33.000 --> 0:21:36.720 Trump for inciting a riot and yes, an insurrection, because 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:40.600 the evidence is just that clear and compelling. And that's 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:44.800 why my frustration is mounting and it's reaching a boiling 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:52.760 point because DJ better explain to us what the heck 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:57.840 is going on, because right now insurrectionists are being treated 0:21:57.880 --> 0:22:01.320 with kid gloves. And as you say, if this was 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:05.760 a BLM protest that erupted into that kind of violence 0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:12.880 against our elected officials, against our you know, our nation's capital, 0:22:12.920 --> 0:22:18.000 against our democratic process, you think we'd see forty five 0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:23.000 day sentences. No, we would see life in prison. And like, 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:28.040 this is what is continuing to trouble me, Glenn, is 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:34.960 that all these sentences are signaling to these criminals, right, 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:39.720 to these terrorists. Is that just plan better next time? 0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:43.720 Is that you know, there are casualties that happen in war. 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:48.320 And if I need to spend forty five days in 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:51.680 jail for doing what I think is right in terms 0:22:51.680 --> 0:22:55.600 of trying to overthrow my government, then so be it, 0:22:55.840 --> 0:22:58.920 because I'm going to see myself as a soldier. That's 0:22:58.960 --> 0:23:02.200 what these people are telling themselves. That's what they are 0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:08.000 telling the community of white supremacists, trumpers that are saying, look, 0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:13.960 you may you be sacrificed, but the greater good is that, no, 0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:17.080 we won't have any more free and fair elections. The 0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:20.400 greater good is that these people who we don't see 0:23:20.440 --> 0:23:24.080 as Americans won't be able to vote. And our Department 0:23:24.119 --> 0:23:27.359 of Justice is sitting there and these judges, these federal 0:23:27.440 --> 0:23:30.359 judges are sitting there and saying, oh, well, they didn't 0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:32.840 really mean it. You know, I just got whipped up 0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:36.600 in the frenzy, which reminds me of cops saying, well, 0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:41.159 I feared for my life. So it's never anybody's responsibility 0:23:41.400 --> 0:23:46.160 for the actions that are taken by rageful, angry, racist 0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:50.359 white people. There is just oh, they didn't mean it. 0:23:50.720 --> 0:23:53.880 Oh they didn't understand it. Oh they were caught up. 0:23:53.920 --> 0:23:57.720 And I just at this stage in where we are 0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:01.240 in the tipping point to the demid eyes of our democracy, 0:24:01.800 --> 0:24:06.520 my boiling point is going over. And you know, whipped 0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:10.119 up in a frenzy, I tried cases for thirty years. 0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:13.560 Whipped up in a frenzy is not a defense to 0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:18.399 your criminal conduct. It may provide motive, it may explain 0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:22.000 why you decided to break the law, but let's take 0:24:22.080 --> 0:24:25.080 that at face value. That a lot of these you know, 0:24:25.280 --> 0:24:29.200 Donald Trump supporters, were whipped up into a frenzy, who 0:24:29.200 --> 0:24:34.240 whipped them up, righted them, who encouraged them to attack 0:24:34.359 --> 0:24:39.280 the capital. That just highlights these statements being made by 0:24:39.280 --> 0:24:42.719 these insurrectionists. I was whipped up into a frenzy. I 0:24:42.760 --> 0:24:47.399 got carried away. Okay, I'll credit that. That makes Donald 0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:52.439 Trump even more criminally culpable for what happened. Let me 0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:55.879 turn to something Judge Sullivan said. Judge Emmett Sullivan, for 0:24:56.000 --> 0:24:59.600 whom I have the utmost respect, I appeared before him. 0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:03.120 I was a prosecutor at the US Attorney's office in DC. 0:25:03.640 --> 0:25:06.199 He is the one who called out Mike Flynn for 0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:09.840 being a traitor to his country in open court. I 0:25:09.920 --> 0:25:13.640 sat in the courtroom that day. I got patriotic goosebumps 0:25:13.800 --> 0:25:17.480 when Judge Sullivan said those things. Here's what Judge Sullivan 0:25:17.600 --> 0:25:22.560 said recently in one of the insurrection cases. He said, 0:25:23.200 --> 0:25:29.280 I don't understand how otherwise law abiding citizens, and let's 0:25:29.320 --> 0:25:31.919 give it to most of these insurrectionists. They didn't have 0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:36.359 criminal records, so I'll give them that. How otherwise law 0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:42.000 abiding citizens turned against their government and Here's how I 0:25:42.040 --> 0:25:46.960 would reframe that question. I wouldn't say they turned against 0:25:46.960 --> 0:25:51.000 their government because who was the leader of their government 0:25:51.000 --> 0:25:54.080 when they were told to attack the capital. Who was 0:25:54.119 --> 0:25:58.040 the leader of their government who lied to them and 0:25:58.160 --> 0:26:01.560 told them their vote was stolen, election was stolen, their 0:26:01.600 --> 0:26:04.480 president was stolen. And if you don't fight like hell, 0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:06.840 you're not going to have a country. Go down there, 0:26:06.920 --> 0:26:11.159 kick ass and take names, have trial by combat, Go 0:26:11.160 --> 0:26:19.880 go go stop the steel. Jesus. I'm sorry, but that's 0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:22.640 how I feel. I take that. I take that back. 0:26:23.080 --> 0:26:30.280 But that proves that Donald Trump incited the insurrection and 0:26:30.520 --> 0:26:35.000 is criminally responsible. Present that day case to a grand 0:26:35.040 --> 0:26:39.920 jury and a trial jury, and Donald Trump goes to prison. 0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:48.040 That is it for today's Woke After Daily podcast. To 0:26:48.119 --> 0:26:51.080 hear more from today's show, including my full interview with 0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:55.080 Glenn Kirshner, support me on Patreon at patreon dot com. 0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:57.840 Slash Woke a f Power to the people and to 0:26:57.960 --> 0:27:01.160 all the people. Power, Get woke and day woke as fuck.