Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay F Daily with
Speaker 1: me your girl, Danielle Moody, recording live from our pod
Speaker 1: stream studios here in Times Square. Dear friends, I'm going
Speaker 1: to get into a conversation with Glenn Kirshner in a
Speaker 1: bit about the latest sentencing for two insurrectionists that happened
Speaker 1: late last week. I have to start off by saying this.
Speaker 1: I know that generally I had come to you as
Speaker 1: ye of little faith, and the truth is is that
Speaker 1: I got into this work because I believe in democracy.
Speaker 1: I believe in the power of people to create change.
Speaker 1: I do, however, believe that the people need to be
Speaker 1: motivated in order to want to create change. And how
Speaker 1: do you motivate people to take action on their own
Speaker 1: behalfs Well, you restore their faith in the institutions that
Speaker 1: our government says are meant to protect us. Right. Well,
Speaker 1: here we are with a new administration, with a new
Speaker 1: Department of Justice and a new leader of said department,
Speaker 1: Merrick Garland, who has proven over the last ten months
Speaker 1: that I'm not one hundred percent sure he's up to
Speaker 1: the job, and by that I mean that he understands
Speaker 1: and sees very clearly the urgency of the moment that
Speaker 1: we are in see politics plays too big a part
Speaker 1: in the decisions that we make for better or worse
Speaker 1: in this country. What do I mean by that? I
Speaker 1: mean that Democrats fall tuly succumb to the whims of
Speaker 1: Republicans when Republicans will go after them and say, you're
Speaker 1: being partisan right for wanting to vote down party lines,
Speaker 1: and you're not sticking to what you told the American
Speaker 1: people about bipartisanship and collaboration, knowing good god damn well,
Speaker 1: that they are not good faith actors, right. We've seen
Speaker 1: this over the last ten months, but we also saw
Speaker 1: it over the last four years of the Trump administration
Speaker 1: that Republicans don't act in good faith. And so when
Speaker 1: Democrats come out and try to assuage the American people's
Speaker 1: anxiety about not having a function in government and say
Speaker 1: that they are going to do everything that Joe Biden
Speaker 1: is a creature of Capitol Hill and he knows how
Speaker 1: to navigate the Hill and members of the Senate and
Speaker 1: get things done. He is to get things done, guy.
Speaker 1: That's what they campaigned on. That's why we were told
Speaker 1: to choose Joe Biden above the newer, more aggressive candidates
Speaker 1: like let's say and Elizabeth Warren or a Bernie Standards
Speaker 1: or dare I say a Kamala Harris. We were told
Speaker 1: that those people did not have right, They were not
Speaker 1: held in the same steam and regard as a Joe Biden,
Speaker 1: that a Mitch McConnell would never dare to do what
Speaker 1: he did under the Obama administration, to a Joe Biden
Speaker 1: that he sat shoulder and shoulder within the Senate for
Speaker 1: thirty fucking years. No, like, these are people that know
Speaker 1: each other and know each other's heart. Right. That's the
Speaker 1: line of bullshit that we were fed. Well, the reality
Speaker 1: is coming to bear now, which is that the Senate
Speaker 1: of Joe Biden's yester year, the Senate of the Ted
Speaker 1: Kennedy's of the world, is long gone. Right, they are
Speaker 1: not the deliberative body. We do not have a functioning government,
Speaker 1: because if we did, right, then the Mother Report would
Speaker 1: have been enough to persuade Republicans to act not in
Speaker 1: doing the quote unquote right thing or the moral thing,
Speaker 1: but in doing the legally imperative thing, which was to
Speaker 1: remove Donald Trump from the presidency because he proved himself
Speaker 1: to be unfaithful to our constitution, unfaithful to the oath
Speaker 1: that he took to protect the American people and to
Speaker 1: protect our institutions. He did, in fact, the complete and
Speaker 1: total opposite. Given all of that, you would think then
Speaker 1: that the insurrection that occurred ten months ago would be
Speaker 1: the exclamation fucking point on the entirety of why it
Speaker 1: is necessary that we wrap up this criminal trump admit illustration,
Speaker 1: and wrap them up and put them in a federal prison.
Speaker 1: Because it is not about the partisanship of going of
Speaker 1: Democrats going after a Republican. It's supposed to be that
Speaker 1: our elected leaders would go after and ensure that the
Speaker 1: sanctity of the office and the preservation of our constitution
Speaker 1: comes above everything else, and so they would take action
Speaker 1: regardless of whether or not it would cost them their
Speaker 1: mid term election, or whether or not it would cost
Speaker 1: them some ire from those trumpets. But here we are, folks,
Speaker 1: ten months into this administration, ten months from the insurrection
Speaker 1: where our government, our capital building fell to the hands
Speaker 1: of white domestic terrorists. How did it fall? Because according
Speaker 1: to the notes from the sentencing of the two Ohio
Speaker 1: insurrectionists that were sentenced, folks to forty five days days
Speaker 1: they were sentenced to, not forty five months, not forty
Speaker 1: five years for attempting to overthrow the fucking government as
Speaker 1: traders of our country, but forty five days for a
Speaker 1: slap on the risk, because, as they tell it, they
Speaker 1: got caught up in the you know, in the excitement
Speaker 1: of the moment. What Glenn Kirshner will help us unpack
Speaker 1: is that who was responsible for the quote unquote excitement
Speaker 1: of the moment. It was Donald Trump, It was Rudy Giuliana,
Speaker 1: It was Moe Brooks, right, it was Don Junior. It
Speaker 1: was all of the people that stood up on the
Speaker 1: diets at the quote unquote Stop the Steel rally and
Speaker 1: told people to march down there and go and take
Speaker 1: their country back, while pointing to the fucking capital that
Speaker 1: it was their patriotic duty to do so. So, if
Speaker 1: we're looking at this, right, folks, if we're if we're
Speaker 1: looking at the Trump administration at the Stop the Steel
Speaker 1: as a drug cartel. Okay, rock with me for a moment.
Speaker 1: If we're looking at them like a drug cartel, and
Speaker 1: we're looking at the actions of those people that stormed
Speaker 1: the capital as drug dealers, right, just pushing the product
Speaker 1: that the boss told them to push, which was what
Speaker 1: the big lie. So instead of the rock, or instead
Speaker 1: of cocaine or instead of whatever their drug of choice
Speaker 1: is the big lie, so rock with me. So if
Speaker 1: they are the low level drug offenders, and if we're
Speaker 1: using this past former administration as the big pens, then
Speaker 1: what do you do or what have you seen right
Speaker 1: in every fucking movie and every courtroom on court TV
Speaker 1: and otherwise, is that you would use you would pressure
Speaker 1: the low level drug pushers, the street corner workers in
Speaker 1: order to get to the big wig. That's how these
Speaker 1: things usually work, that you work your way up right,
Speaker 1: that you build up the evidence that is necessary to
Speaker 1: then pin the big case on the big people. But
Speaker 1: here's the thing, we're not fucking doing that, and the
Speaker 1: low level drug pushers of the big hopes, of the
Speaker 1: big Lie are getting these fucking light sentencings, which are
Speaker 1: signaling to the rest of you know, the insurrectionist dealers,
Speaker 1: the rest of the big lie pushers, the rest of
Speaker 1: the Boogoloo Boys and the Proud Boys and whatever other
Speaker 1: white supremacist nationalist groups are popping up all over the
Speaker 1: place that forty five days in federal prison is just
Speaker 1: par for the course if we believe ourselves to be patriots,
Speaker 1: and that's the least that you could do for your
Speaker 1: chosen president and your country. Because unlike what our injustice
Speaker 1: system has done in the past, two other actual low
Speaker 1: level drug offenders rights, throw the fucking book at them. Oh,
Speaker 1: you have no redeemable qualities. Is essentially what our injustice
Speaker 1: system says to low level drug offenders and drug pushers, right,
Speaker 1: is that we're gonna stamp you out because we have
Speaker 1: a war on drugs in this country. So we're gonna
Speaker 1: give you, low level drug dealer, the maximum sentence that
Speaker 1: you could possibly get for endangering the public moving illegal narcotics.
Speaker 1: And each of these charges faces up to blah blah
Speaker 1: blah a million years in prison. That's what the fuck
Speaker 1: we have seen, right, because America created a war on
Speaker 1: drugs for black and brown people, but created a tempest
Speaker 1: of empathy when it came to the opioid crisis and
Speaker 1: those responsible like the Sackler's for the opioid crisis. So
Speaker 1: here again, here we are now in present day, where
Speaker 1: if we thought that the Department of Justice was actually
Speaker 1: doing its fucking job, then what we would see from
Speaker 1: these recommendations to the judges is not a handful of
Speaker 1: fucking months in prison that they would actually be going
Speaker 1: after every single one of these insurrectionists as they would
Speaker 1: any other fucking terrorist. But this is why we can't
Speaker 1: divorce race and class and privilege from these sentencing. This
Speaker 1: is why our injustice system is working just how it
Speaker 1: was always meant to be, to look at black and
Speaker 1: brown people as the problem that needs to be locked
Speaker 1: away and treated like animals, and given white people as
Speaker 1: many fucking chances and opportunities to fuck up over and
Speaker 1: over and over and over again with very little fucking consequences. Now,
Speaker 1: Glenn Kirshner will tell you that the initial ask of
Speaker 1: the Justice Department in this Ohio case was six months, right,
Speaker 1: He will say, you know, six months in federal prison,
Speaker 1: Like nobody wants to be in federal prison. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: if I'm a trumper, white supremist, which this is what
Speaker 1: this mob was, then I'm using this as like a
Speaker 1: badge of honor. Right. I took one for my president.
Speaker 1: I took one for the team. We may have lost
Speaker 1: this battle for forty five whole days, but the war
Speaker 1: is still gonna wage on because they caused an insurrection
Speaker 1: and are facing none of the effects from it. So
Speaker 1: when I say that, I am ye of little faith
Speaker 1: because while we know that the Justice Department, any non
Speaker 1: corrupt justice department, does not talk about who they're investigating
Speaker 1: or whether or not indictments are going to comm It's
Speaker 1: always leaked in some form or fashion. But how they
Speaker 1: go after these underlings would signal to America that what
Speaker 1: happened on one six was a serious fucking national security
Speaker 1: breach and threat to our democracy, and that if we
Speaker 1: do not put the full force and extent of the
Speaker 1: law right behind these actions, to signal that anyone else
Speaker 1: that dare concoct a plan to try and throw a election,
Speaker 1: a democratic election, you won't see the light of day again.
Speaker 1: But that, folks, is not what the fucking Justice Department
Speaker 1: is doing. Instead, they are just giving these people, these privileged,
Speaker 1: white fucking people, a slap on the wrist. Oh, they
Speaker 1: didn't know. They got caught up in the excite ament
Speaker 1: of beating police officers, of knocking their teeth out of
Speaker 1: you know, gouging out their eyeballs, of fracturing spines. They
Speaker 1: just got caught up in the harm that they caused
Speaker 1: to over one hundred and sixty seven police officers. They
Speaker 1: got caught up in the millions of dollars with their
Speaker 1: damage that they did to the Capitol Building. They got
Speaker 1: caught up in the chance that said hang Mike Pence.
Speaker 1: They didn't mean it, They weren't really gonna do it
Speaker 1: if they caught him. They just got caught up. Coming
Speaker 1: up next is my conversation with our friend Glenn Kirshner,
Speaker 1: a host of Justice Matters on YouTube and MSNBC Legal analysts.
Speaker 1: He is going to walk us through where we are
Speaker 1: and where he thinks we are headed. That is coming
Speaker 1: up next. Friends. You know that every week when we
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to be joined by our friend, host
Speaker 1: of Justice Matters on YouTube and on Patreon, Glenn Kirshner,
Speaker 1: I leave some weeks more hopeful, some not so much. Glenn,
Speaker 1: two insurrectionists were sentenced, and on your show, Justice Matters,
Speaker 1: you kind of you walked your audience through what the
Speaker 1: prosecution had said, where the doj sits. But I'm telling
Speaker 1: you that the lengths of these sentencing, the kind of
Speaker 1: nonchalance that I feel like these judges are having in
Speaker 1: this proceeding like, oh, everyone needs to be treated as
Speaker 1: an individual, and you know, we need to take each
Speaker 1: individual action. When it was a mob, it was a
Speaker 1: white domestic terrorists mob that over took our capitol building.
Speaker 1: And one other thing is that we cannot divorce ourselves
Speaker 1: of race and racism and how that is playing out
Speaker 1: in the sentencing and in the coverage of these cases,
Speaker 1: of these trials. And so talk to us about the
Speaker 1: two Ohio insurrectionists that were just sentenced and what you
Speaker 1: were feeling with regard to what was delivered down to them. Danielle,
Speaker 1: I had to dig deep to find the hope this week,
Speaker 1: because you know, this week it felt like sun was
Speaker 1: setting on the prospect of justice rather than rising. I
Speaker 1: haven't given up hope, but you know, when I see
Speaker 1: two insurrectionists, one was named, but I'm not going to
Speaker 1: accurately remember their name. They came from Ohio. Now, granted
Speaker 1: they didn't assault anybody, they apparently didn't destroy property once
Speaker 1: inside the capital, but the government let them plead guilty
Speaker 1: to a misdemeanor which carries up to six months in prison,
Speaker 1: and six months is nothing to sneeze at. Six minutes
Speaker 1: is nothing to sneeze at, you know, and I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: And the government ended up asking the judge for four
Speaker 1: months in prison for each defendant, and the judge, to
Speaker 1: my disappointment, only sentenced them to forty five days in prison.
Speaker 1: Again nothing to sneeze at, but you know, it seems
Speaker 1: that we are failing to recognize the severity of what
Speaker 1: the goal was of these folks. And let me turn
Speaker 1: to some of the things that the prosecution said in
Speaker 1: those two sentencing hearings. That is where I found at
Speaker 1: least a little bit of hope the prosecutors. Their rhetoric
Speaker 1: is strong. Their rhetoric seems to appreciate how dangerous these
Speaker 1: crimes are. Unfortunately, their sentencing asks I think are too low.
Speaker 1: They're just too low. Ye. So here's the rhetoric that
Speaker 1: they used. They said that, you know, if you incite
Speaker 1: a riot and if you contributed to the environment of
Speaker 1: terror that day, their quote will be consequences. They went
Speaker 1: on to say that if you incite a riot and
Speaker 1: you intend to improperly influence the democratic process, their quote
Speaker 1: will be consequences. So who is it that incited a
Speaker 1: riot to try to influence the democratic process? It was
Speaker 1: Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani and Don Junior and Mo
Speaker 1: Brooks and John Eastman, the people who whipped up the
Speaker 1: crowd into the angry weapon that they became. So when
Speaker 1: the prosecutors say to the judge in open court, and
Speaker 1: by extension, say to the American people, if you do
Speaker 1: these things, there will be consequences. Okay, DJ put up
Speaker 1: or shut up, you know, bring charges against the people
Speaker 1: who incited the riot in an attempt to improperly influence
Speaker 1: the democratic process. Because here's where I am, Danielle. Every
Speaker 1: day the Department of Justice fails to punish Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: The Department of Justice is punishing the American people, and
Speaker 1: you have to take sides. Are you gonna side with
Speaker 1: the American people? Are you going to side with law
Speaker 1: and order? Are you going to side with a healthy democracy?
Speaker 1: Or are you're going to keep siding with Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani, Moe Brookston Junior, John Eastman and the others.
Speaker 1: I don't understand this, daniel I did a two minute
Speaker 1: condensed video out of frustration that I posted first thing
Speaker 1: this morning on my YouTube channel. I swear you give
Speaker 1: me three hours in front of one of my beloved
Speaker 1: DC juries. I will secure a guilty verdict of Donald
Speaker 1: Trump for inciting a riot and yes, an insurrection, because
Speaker 1: the evidence is just that clear and compelling. And that's
Speaker 1: why my frustration is mounting and it's reaching a boiling
Speaker 1: point because DJ better explain to us what the heck
Speaker 1: is going on, because right now insurrectionists are being treated
Speaker 1: with kid gloves. And as you say, if this was
Speaker 1: a BLM protest that erupted into that kind of violence
Speaker 1: against our elected officials, against our you know, our nation's capital,
Speaker 1: against our democratic process, you think we'd see forty five
Speaker 1: day sentences. No, we would see life in prison. And like,
Speaker 1: this is what is continuing to trouble me, Glenn, is
Speaker 1: that all these sentences are signaling to these criminals, right,
Speaker 1: to these terrorists. Is that just plan better next time?
Speaker 1: Is that you know, there are casualties that happen in war.
Speaker 1: And if I need to spend forty five days in
Speaker 1: jail for doing what I think is right in terms
Speaker 1: of trying to overthrow my government, then so be it,
Speaker 1: because I'm going to see myself as a soldier. That's
Speaker 1: what these people are telling themselves. That's what they are
Speaker 1: telling the community of white supremacists, trumpers that are saying, look,
Speaker 1: you may you be sacrificed, but the greater good is that, no,
Speaker 1: we won't have any more free and fair elections. The
Speaker 1: greater good is that these people who we don't see
Speaker 1: as Americans won't be able to vote. And our Department
Speaker 1: of Justice is sitting there and these judges, these federal
Speaker 1: judges are sitting there and saying, oh, well, they didn't
Speaker 1: really mean it. You know, I just got whipped up
Speaker 1: in the frenzy, which reminds me of cops saying, well,
Speaker 1: I feared for my life. So it's never anybody's responsibility
Speaker 1: for the actions that are taken by rageful, angry, racist
Speaker 1: white people. There is just oh, they didn't mean it.
Speaker 1: Oh they didn't understand it. Oh they were caught up.
Speaker 1: And I just at this stage in where we are
Speaker 1: in the tipping point to the demid eyes of our democracy,
Speaker 1: my boiling point is going over. And you know, whipped
Speaker 1: up in a frenzy, I tried cases for thirty years.
Speaker 1: Whipped up in a frenzy is not a defense to
Speaker 1: your criminal conduct. It may provide motive, it may explain
Speaker 1: why you decided to break the law, but let's take
Speaker 1: that at face value. That a lot of these you know,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump supporters, were whipped up into a frenzy, who
Speaker 1: whipped them up, righted them, who encouraged them to attack
Speaker 1: the capital. That just highlights these statements being made by
Speaker 1: these insurrectionists. I was whipped up into a frenzy. I
Speaker 1: got carried away. Okay, I'll credit that. That makes Donald
Speaker 1: Trump even more criminally culpable for what happened. Let me
Speaker 1: turn to something Judge Sullivan said. Judge Emmett Sullivan, for
Speaker 1: whom I have the utmost respect, I appeared before him.
Speaker 1: I was a prosecutor at the US Attorney's office in DC.
Speaker 1: He is the one who called out Mike Flynn for
Speaker 1: being a traitor to his country in open court. I
Speaker 1: sat in the courtroom that day. I got patriotic goosebumps
Speaker 1: when Judge Sullivan said those things. Here's what Judge Sullivan
Speaker 1: said recently in one of the insurrection cases. He said,
Speaker 1: I don't understand how otherwise law abiding citizens, and let's
Speaker 1: give it to most of these insurrectionists. They didn't have
Speaker 1: criminal records, so I'll give them that. How otherwise law
Speaker 1: abiding citizens turned against their government and Here's how I
Speaker 1: would reframe that question. I wouldn't say they turned against
Speaker 1: their government because who was the leader of their government
Speaker 1: when they were told to attack the capital. Who was
Speaker 1: the leader of their government who lied to them and
Speaker 1: told them their vote was stolen, election was stolen, their
Speaker 1: president was stolen. And if you don't fight like hell,
Speaker 1: you're not going to have a country. Go down there,
Speaker 1: kick ass and take names, have trial by combat, Go
Speaker 1: go go stop the steel. Jesus. I'm sorry, but that's
Speaker 1: how I feel. I take that. I take that back.
Speaker 1: But that proves that Donald Trump incited the insurrection and
Speaker 1: is criminally responsible. Present that day case to a grand
Speaker 1: jury and a trial jury, and Donald Trump goes to prison.
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