1 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay F Daily with 2 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: me your girl, Danielle Moody, recording live from our pod 3 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: stream studios here in Times Square. Dear friends, I'm going 4 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 1: to get into a conversation with Glenn Kirshner in a 5 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: bit about the latest sentencing for two insurrectionists that happened 6 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: late last week. I have to start off by saying this. 7 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: I know that generally I had come to you as 8 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: ye of little faith, and the truth is is that 9 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: I got into this work because I believe in democracy. 10 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: I believe in the power of people to create change. 11 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: I do, however, believe that the people need to be 12 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: motivated in order to want to create change. And how 13 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: do you motivate people to take action on their own 14 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: behalfs Well, you restore their faith in the institutions that 15 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 1: our government says are meant to protect us. Right. Well, 16 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: here we are with a new administration, with a new 17 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: Department of Justice and a new leader of said department, 18 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: Merrick Garland, who has proven over the last ten months 19 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: that I'm not one hundred percent sure he's up to 20 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: the job, and by that I mean that he understands 21 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: and sees very clearly the urgency of the moment that 22 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: we are in see politics plays too big a part 23 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: in the decisions that we make for better or worse 24 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: in this country. What do I mean by that? I 25 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: mean that Democrats fall tuly succumb to the whims of 26 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: Republicans when Republicans will go after them and say, you're 27 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: being partisan right for wanting to vote down party lines, 28 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 1: and you're not sticking to what you told the American 29 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: people about bipartisanship and collaboration, knowing good god damn well, 30 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: that they are not good faith actors, right. We've seen 31 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: this over the last ten months, but we also saw 32 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,399 Speaker 1: it over the last four years of the Trump administration 33 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: that Republicans don't act in good faith. And so when 34 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: Democrats come out and try to assuage the American people's 35 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: anxiety about not having a function in government and say 36 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: that they are going to do everything that Joe Biden 37 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: is a creature of Capitol Hill and he knows how 38 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: to navigate the Hill and members of the Senate and 39 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: get things done. He is to get things done, guy. 40 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: That's what they campaigned on. That's why we were told 41 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: to choose Joe Biden above the newer, more aggressive candidates 42 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: like let's say and Elizabeth Warren or a Bernie Standards 43 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: or dare I say a Kamala Harris. We were told 44 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: that those people did not have right, They were not 45 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: held in the same steam and regard as a Joe Biden, 46 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: that a Mitch McConnell would never dare to do what 47 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: he did under the Obama administration, to a Joe Biden 48 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: that he sat shoulder and shoulder within the Senate for 49 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: thirty fucking years. No, like, these are people that know 50 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: each other and know each other's heart. Right. That's the 51 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: line of bullshit that we were fed. Well, the reality 52 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: is coming to bear now, which is that the Senate 53 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: of Joe Biden's yester year, the Senate of the Ted 54 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: Kennedy's of the world, is long gone. Right, they are 55 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: not the deliberative body. We do not have a functioning government, 56 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: because if we did, right, then the Mother Report would 57 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: have been enough to persuade Republicans to act not in 58 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: doing the quote unquote right thing or the moral thing, 59 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: but in doing the legally imperative thing, which was to 60 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: remove Donald Trump from the presidency because he proved himself 61 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: to be unfaithful to our constitution, unfaithful to the oath 62 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: that he took to protect the American people and to 63 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: protect our institutions. He did, in fact, the complete and 64 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: total opposite. Given all of that, you would think then 65 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: that the insurrection that occurred ten months ago would be 66 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: the exclamation fucking point on the entirety of why it 67 00:04:54,560 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: is necessary that we wrap up this criminal trump admit illustration, 68 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: and wrap them up and put them in a federal prison. 69 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 1: Because it is not about the partisanship of going of 70 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: Democrats going after a Republican. It's supposed to be that 71 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: our elected leaders would go after and ensure that the 72 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 1: sanctity of the office and the preservation of our constitution 73 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: comes above everything else, and so they would take action 74 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: regardless of whether or not it would cost them their 75 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: mid term election, or whether or not it would cost 76 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: them some ire from those trumpets. But here we are, folks, 77 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: ten months into this administration, ten months from the insurrection 78 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: where our government, our capital building fell to the hands 79 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: of white domestic terrorists. How did it fall? Because according 80 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: to the notes from the sentencing of the two Ohio 81 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: insurrectionists that were sentenced, folks to forty five days days 82 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: they were sentenced to, not forty five months, not forty 83 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 1: five years for attempting to overthrow the fucking government as 84 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: traders of our country, but forty five days for a 85 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: slap on the risk, because, as they tell it, they 86 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 1: got caught up in the you know, in the excitement 87 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: of the moment. What Glenn Kirshner will help us unpack 88 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: is that who was responsible for the quote unquote excitement 89 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 1: of the moment. It was Donald Trump, It was Rudy Giuliana, 90 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: It was Moe Brooks, right, it was Don Junior. It 91 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: was all of the people that stood up on the 92 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: diets at the quote unquote Stop the Steel rally and 93 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: told people to march down there and go and take 94 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: their country back, while pointing to the fucking capital that 95 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: it was their patriotic duty to do so. So, if 96 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: we're looking at this, right, folks, if we're if we're 97 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: looking at the Trump administration at the Stop the Steel 98 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: as a drug cartel. Okay, rock with me for a moment. 99 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: If we're looking at them like a drug cartel, and 100 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: we're looking at the actions of those people that stormed 101 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: the capital as drug dealers, right, just pushing the product 102 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: that the boss told them to push, which was what 103 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: the big lie. So instead of the rock, or instead 104 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: of cocaine or instead of whatever their drug of choice 105 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: is the big lie, so rock with me. So if 106 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: they are the low level drug offenders, and if we're 107 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: using this past former administration as the big pens, then 108 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: what do you do or what have you seen right 109 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: in every fucking movie and every courtroom on court TV 110 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: and otherwise, is that you would use you would pressure 111 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: the low level drug pushers, the street corner workers in 112 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: order to get to the big wig. That's how these 113 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: things usually work, that you work your way up right, 114 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: that you build up the evidence that is necessary to 115 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: then pin the big case on the big people. But 116 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: here's the thing, we're not fucking doing that, and the 117 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: low level drug pushers of the big hopes, of the 118 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: big Lie are getting these fucking light sentencings, which are 119 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: signaling to the rest of you know, the insurrectionist dealers, 120 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: the rest of the big lie pushers, the rest of 121 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: the Boogoloo Boys and the Proud Boys and whatever other 122 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: white supremacist nationalist groups are popping up all over the 123 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: place that forty five days in federal prison is just 124 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: par for the course if we believe ourselves to be patriots, 125 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: and that's the least that you could do for your 126 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: chosen president and your country. Because unlike what our injustice 127 00:09:53,080 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: system has done in the past, two other actual low 128 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:06,719 Speaker 1: level drug offenders rights, throw the fucking book at them. Oh, 129 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: you have no redeemable qualities. Is essentially what our injustice 130 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: system says to low level drug offenders and drug pushers, right, 131 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: is that we're gonna stamp you out because we have 132 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 1: a war on drugs in this country. So we're gonna 133 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: give you, low level drug dealer, the maximum sentence that 134 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: you could possibly get for endangering the public moving illegal narcotics. 135 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: And each of these charges faces up to blah blah 136 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: blah a million years in prison. That's what the fuck 137 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: we have seen, right, because America created a war on 138 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: drugs for black and brown people, but created a tempest 139 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: of empathy when it came to the opioid crisis and 140 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: those responsible like the Sackler's for the opioid crisis. So 141 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: here again, here we are now in present day, where 142 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: if we thought that the Department of Justice was actually 143 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 1: doing its fucking job, then what we would see from 144 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: these recommendations to the judges is not a handful of 145 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: fucking months in prison that they would actually be going 146 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: after every single one of these insurrectionists as they would 147 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: any other fucking terrorist. But this is why we can't 148 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: divorce race and class and privilege from these sentencing. This 149 00:11:54,080 --> 00:12:00,080 Speaker 1: is why our injustice system is working just how it 150 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: was always meant to be, to look at black and 151 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: brown people as the problem that needs to be locked 152 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: away and treated like animals, and given white people as 153 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: many fucking chances and opportunities to fuck up over and 154 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: over and over and over again with very little fucking consequences. Now, 155 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: Glenn Kirshner will tell you that the initial ask of 156 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: the Justice Department in this Ohio case was six months, right, 157 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 1: He will say, you know, six months in federal prison, 158 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: Like nobody wants to be in federal prison. And I'm like, well, 159 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: if I'm a trumper, white supremist, which this is what 160 00:12:55,720 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: this mob was, then I'm using this as like a 161 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: badge of honor. Right. I took one for my president. 162 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: I took one for the team. We may have lost 163 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: this battle for forty five whole days, but the war 164 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: is still gonna wage on because they caused an insurrection 165 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: and are facing none of the effects from it. So 166 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: when I say that, I am ye of little faith 167 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: because while we know that the Justice Department, any non 168 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: corrupt justice department, does not talk about who they're investigating 169 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 1: or whether or not indictments are going to comm It's 170 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: always leaked in some form or fashion. But how they 171 00:13:52,640 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: go after these underlings would signal to America that what 172 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: happened on one six was a serious fucking national security 173 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: breach and threat to our democracy, and that if we 174 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: do not put the full force and extent of the 175 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: law right behind these actions, to signal that anyone else 176 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: that dare concoct a plan to try and throw a election, 177 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: a democratic election, you won't see the light of day again. 178 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: But that, folks, is not what the fucking Justice Department 179 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: is doing. Instead, they are just giving these people, these privileged, 180 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: white fucking people, a slap on the wrist. Oh, they 181 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: didn't know. They got caught up in the excite ament 182 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: of beating police officers, of knocking their teeth out of 183 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: you know, gouging out their eyeballs, of fracturing spines. They 184 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: just got caught up in the harm that they caused 185 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: to over one hundred and sixty seven police officers. They 186 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: got caught up in the millions of dollars with their 187 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: damage that they did to the Capitol Building. They got 188 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: caught up in the chance that said hang Mike Pence. 189 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: They didn't mean it, They weren't really gonna do it 190 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: if they caught him. They just got caught up. Coming 191 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: up next is my conversation with our friend Glenn Kirshner, 192 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: a host of Justice Matters on YouTube and MSNBC Legal analysts. 193 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: He is going to walk us through where we are 194 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: and where he thinks we are headed. That is coming 195 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: up next. Friends. You know that every week when we 196 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: have the opportunity to be joined by our friend, host 197 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: of Justice Matters on YouTube and on Patreon, Glenn Kirshner, 198 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: I leave some weeks more hopeful, some not so much. Glenn, 199 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: two insurrectionists were sentenced, and on your show, Justice Matters, 200 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: you kind of you walked your audience through what the 201 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: prosecution had said, where the doj sits. But I'm telling 202 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: you that the lengths of these sentencing, the kind of 203 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: nonchalance that I feel like these judges are having in 204 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: this proceeding like, oh, everyone needs to be treated as 205 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: an individual, and you know, we need to take each 206 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: individual action. When it was a mob, it was a 207 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 1: white domestic terrorists mob that over took our capitol building. 208 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 1: And one other thing is that we cannot divorce ourselves 209 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 1: of race and racism and how that is playing out 210 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 1: in the sentencing and in the coverage of these cases, 211 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 1: of these trials. And so talk to us about the 212 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: two Ohio insurrectionists that were just sentenced and what you 213 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: were feeling with regard to what was delivered down to them. Danielle, 214 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: I had to dig deep to find the hope this week, 215 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 1: because you know, this week it felt like sun was 216 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: setting on the prospect of justice rather than rising. I 217 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: haven't given up hope, but you know, when I see 218 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: two insurrectionists, one was named, but I'm not going to 219 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: accurately remember their name. They came from Ohio. Now, granted 220 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: they didn't assault anybody, they apparently didn't destroy property once 221 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: inside the capital, but the government let them plead guilty 222 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: to a misdemeanor which carries up to six months in prison, 223 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: and six months is nothing to sneeze at. Six minutes 224 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: is nothing to sneeze at, you know, and I appreciate that. 225 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 1: And the government ended up asking the judge for four 226 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: months in prison for each defendant, and the judge, to 227 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: my disappointment, only sentenced them to forty five days in prison. 228 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: Again nothing to sneeze at, but you know, it seems 229 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: that we are failing to recognize the severity of what 230 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: the goal was of these folks. And let me turn 231 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 1: to some of the things that the prosecution said in 232 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: those two sentencing hearings. That is where I found at 233 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: least a little bit of hope the prosecutors. Their rhetoric 234 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: is strong. Their rhetoric seems to appreciate how dangerous these 235 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: crimes are. Unfortunately, their sentencing asks I think are too low. 236 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: They're just too low. Ye. So here's the rhetoric that 237 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: they used. They said that, you know, if you incite 238 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: a riot and if you contributed to the environment of 239 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: terror that day, their quote will be consequences. They went 240 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: on to say that if you incite a riot and 241 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: you intend to improperly influence the democratic process, their quote 242 00:19:55,280 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 1: will be consequences. So who is it that incited a 243 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: riot to try to influence the democratic process? It was 244 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani and Don Junior and Mo 245 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: Brooks and John Eastman, the people who whipped up the 246 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: crowd into the angry weapon that they became. So when 247 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,959 Speaker 1: the prosecutors say to the judge in open court, and 248 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: by extension, say to the American people, if you do 249 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 1: these things, there will be consequences. Okay, DJ put up 250 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: or shut up, you know, bring charges against the people 251 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: who incited the riot in an attempt to improperly influence 252 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 1: the democratic process. Because here's where I am, Danielle. Every 253 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: day the Department of Justice fails to punish Donald Trump. 254 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: The Department of Justice is punishing the American people, and 255 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: you have to take sides. Are you gonna side with 256 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: the American people? Are you going to side with law 257 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: and order? Are you going to side with a healthy democracy? 258 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: Or are you're going to keep siding with Donald Trump, 259 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani, Moe Brookston Junior, John Eastman and the others. 260 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: I don't understand this, daniel I did a two minute 261 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: condensed video out of frustration that I posted first thing 262 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: this morning on my YouTube channel. I swear you give 263 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: me three hours in front of one of my beloved 264 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: DC juries. I will secure a guilty verdict of Donald 265 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: Trump for inciting a riot and yes, an insurrection, because 266 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: the evidence is just that clear and compelling. And that's 267 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: why my frustration is mounting and it's reaching a boiling 268 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: point because DJ better explain to us what the heck 269 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: is going on, because right now insurrectionists are being treated 270 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: with kid gloves. And as you say, if this was 271 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: a BLM protest that erupted into that kind of violence 272 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 1: against our elected officials, against our you know, our nation's capital, 273 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: against our democratic process, you think we'd see forty five 274 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: day sentences. No, we would see life in prison. And like, 275 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: this is what is continuing to trouble me, Glenn, is 276 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: that all these sentences are signaling to these criminals, right, 277 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: to these terrorists. Is that just plan better next time? 278 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: Is that you know, there are casualties that happen in war. 279 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: And if I need to spend forty five days in 280 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: jail for doing what I think is right in terms 281 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: of trying to overthrow my government, then so be it, 282 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: because I'm going to see myself as a soldier. That's 283 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: what these people are telling themselves. That's what they are 284 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: telling the community of white supremacists, trumpers that are saying, look, 285 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: you may you be sacrificed, but the greater good is that, no, 286 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: we won't have any more free and fair elections. The 287 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 1: greater good is that these people who we don't see 288 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: as Americans won't be able to vote. And our Department 289 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: of Justice is sitting there and these judges, these federal 290 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: judges are sitting there and saying, oh, well, they didn't 291 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: really mean it. You know, I just got whipped up 292 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: in the frenzy, which reminds me of cops saying, well, 293 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 1: I feared for my life. So it's never anybody's responsibility 294 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: for the actions that are taken by rageful, angry, racist 295 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: white people. There is just oh, they didn't mean it. 296 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 1: Oh they didn't understand it. Oh they were caught up. 297 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: And I just at this stage in where we are 298 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: in the tipping point to the demid eyes of our democracy, 299 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: my boiling point is going over. And you know, whipped 300 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: up in a frenzy, I tried cases for thirty years. 301 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: Whipped up in a frenzy is not a defense to 302 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: your criminal conduct. It may provide motive, it may explain 303 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: why you decided to break the law, but let's take 304 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: that at face value. That a lot of these you know, 305 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: Donald Trump supporters, were whipped up into a frenzy, who 306 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: whipped them up, righted them, who encouraged them to attack 307 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: the capital. That just highlights these statements being made by 308 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,719 Speaker 1: these insurrectionists. I was whipped up into a frenzy. I 309 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: got carried away. Okay, I'll credit that. That makes Donald 310 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 1: Trump even more criminally culpable for what happened. Let me 311 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: turn to something Judge Sullivan said. Judge Emmett Sullivan, for 312 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: whom I have the utmost respect, I appeared before him. 313 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 1: I was a prosecutor at the US Attorney's office in DC. 314 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,199 Speaker 1: He is the one who called out Mike Flynn for 315 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: being a traitor to his country in open court. I 316 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 1: sat in the courtroom that day. I got patriotic goosebumps 317 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: when Judge Sullivan said those things. Here's what Judge Sullivan 318 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: said recently in one of the insurrection cases. He said, 319 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: I don't understand how otherwise law abiding citizens, and let's 320 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 1: give it to most of these insurrectionists. They didn't have 321 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: criminal records, so I'll give them that. How otherwise law 322 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: abiding citizens turned against their government and Here's how I 323 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: would reframe that question. I wouldn't say they turned against 324 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: their government because who was the leader of their government 325 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: when they were told to attack the capital. Who was 326 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: the leader of their government who lied to them and 327 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: told them their vote was stolen, election was stolen, their 328 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: president was stolen. And if you don't fight like hell, 329 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: you're not going to have a country. Go down there, 330 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 1: kick ass and take names, have trial by combat, Go 331 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: go go stop the steel. Jesus. I'm sorry, but that's 332 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 1: how I feel. I take that. I take that back. 333 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: But that proves that Donald Trump incited the insurrection and 334 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: is criminally responsible. Present that day case to a grand 335 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: jury and a trial jury, and Donald Trump goes to prison. 336 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: That is it for today's Woke After Daily podcast. To 337 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: hear more from today's show, including my full interview with 338 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: Glenn Kirshner, support me on Patreon at patreon dot com. 339 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: Slash Woke a f Power to the people and to 340 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: all the people. Power, Get woke and day woke as fuck.