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Speaker 1: Today we are joined by my good friend, fellow me

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Speaker 1: eater and a guy that just loves to hunt turkeys.

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Speaker 1: Be honest, but tell us. First, we're gonna dive into

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Speaker 1: a few questions from the listeners. Then we're gonna dive

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Speaker 1: into a conversation with Joannice going over decoying versus running gun,

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Speaker 1: his picture perfect turkey hunting scenario, as well as his

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Speaker 1: favorite seven days to be out in the field during

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Speaker 1: the spring. Alright, we're gonna jump right into the Q

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Speaker 1: and A from social email and past episodes. The first

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Speaker 1: question we have today is how far can a turkey here?

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Speaker 1: Your call? Um? You know, whether we look at like

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Speaker 1: the scientific research versus like what our experience tells us

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Speaker 1: out in the field. Um. A lot of scientists say

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Speaker 1: that they can hear at least a quarter mile. Um.

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Speaker 1: Some say imperfect conditions, they can hear up to a

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Speaker 1: half a mile. You honest, what would you say just

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Speaker 1: from your experience hunting? You know, getting responses? Um? How

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Speaker 1: does terrain matter? You know, calmness of the day, fog

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Speaker 1: versus windy? Um, kind of give us give us your

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Speaker 1: opinion and then all kind of you know, use some

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Speaker 1: of my examples to decide how far they can hear.

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Speaker 1: I think the quick answer would be, yeah, that quarter mile,

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Speaker 1: half mile, you know, bad conditions versus great conditions. That

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Speaker 1: sounds about right. But I do think that, um, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of uh nuances that you know, I am

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Speaker 1: constantly thinking about when I'm you know, calling two turkeys

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Speaker 1: if I don't know they're there, you know, if I

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Speaker 1: haven't heard them. Ah, And certainly probably even more than terrain,

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Speaker 1: I'd say it's foliage, like the amount of foliage on

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Speaker 1: the trees, the amount of trees in general that are

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Speaker 1: between you and the turkey, you know, because out west,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're mostly hunt coniferous forest. Right, it was

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Speaker 1: just needles on the tree, a little more open, no

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Speaker 1: real leaves. Now obviously thick evergreen could I think soak

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Speaker 1: up some sound big time. But like this past springing

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Speaker 1: I was in Wisconsin. We were there pretty late in May,

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Speaker 1: and it was way leafed out, like when you were

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Speaker 1: in the woods, you know, you could barely see fifty yards,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I felt like they're like at best,

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Speaker 1: you know, we were here in a gobble at like

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Speaker 1: they were, so they're pretty much right on top of

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Speaker 1: you at the point you can hear yeah, totally, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And now you've got some pet turkeys that you're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to like walk farther from your house and like range,

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Speaker 1: find back and you can get an answer, and then

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Speaker 1: we'll maybe get a better answer to this question. Um, okay,

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Speaker 1: the second question. Early in the season, I had a

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Speaker 1: particular area in the morning, the birds are gobbling their

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Speaker 1: heads off, hit the ground and shut up. What would

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Speaker 1: your strategy be, Um, I'll take a crack at this

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Speaker 1: and we'll see if you have anything to add Um.

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Speaker 1: So it's very tough. I mean, hopefully you have some

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Speaker 1: idea where these turkeys are going. They're going, you know,

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Speaker 1: where they're strutting zone is where those hens want to be,

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Speaker 1: where the hens want to feed. You can try to

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Speaker 1: set up down there. You know. One thing that I

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Speaker 1: have an issue with is if I can I can

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Speaker 1: watch a turkey for five days, pitch out of a tree,

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Speaker 1: out of the roofs hit a spot, do the same

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Speaker 1: thing five days in your own If I go sit

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Speaker 1: in that spot on the sixth day, they're gonna do

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Speaker 1: something different. But I would just try to figure out

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Speaker 1: where those birds are going. Um. You know, it sounds

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Speaker 1: like and we don't have all of the context of

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Speaker 1: this question, Like maybe the person scared to you know,

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Speaker 1: chase chase gobbles. Maybe the person is scared to you know,

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Speaker 1: go bump the bird, which is you know, completely normal,

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Speaker 1: but maybe be a little more aggressive. Um. The other

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Speaker 1: thing is one of the things I had heard. I

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Speaker 1: believe Mike Chamberlain brought it up on a podcast I

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Speaker 1: was on on the met Eater a year ago, which

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize that Turkey, they they've got a pretty

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Speaker 1: good memory, like they knew where maybe they've heard you

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Speaker 1: called from three or four or five hours ago. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm not necessarily that patient to to call

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Speaker 1: from an area and then wait three to five hours

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Speaker 1: see if he loses his hens, maybe comes back. But

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Speaker 1: those are some options. Either get aggressive, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: up trying to reset up. But those would be the

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Speaker 1: we don't have all the context of this question, but sure,

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Speaker 1: but I've been in that position, and you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: you don't really know where you're they're going. You know,

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Speaker 1: you have an idea. UM. I do feel like we

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Speaker 1: often forget that. Like most turkeys, like they unless they're

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Speaker 1: being patient and hanging out in that zone. UM. But

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Speaker 1: I had heard it that turkeys will, when they lose

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Speaker 1: their hands, come back to where they heard you call

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Speaker 1: in the morning before, and I've had it payoff where

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Speaker 1: you can never know if it was the same bird.

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Speaker 1: But I know that one morning I called back and

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Speaker 1: for whatever reason, we're like at one pm, we're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: let's swing by that same point and see what's going on.

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Speaker 1: And we peeked out and it's a big, like a

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Speaker 1: like yards down this cut, there's a gobbler out shutting.

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Speaker 1: Can't see any hands with him. We made a few calls,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't chase the bird that was, you know, still talking,

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Speaker 1: but no good advice. And then um a question that

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Speaker 1: Joanni brought from a listener or cousin. I can't remember

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Speaker 1: what he said, my cousin, does your decoy approach changed

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Speaker 1: during the course of the season. I only want to

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Speaker 1: carry two decoys the same with me. I usually carry

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Speaker 1: a hand and and a breeding jake my decoy approaches.

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Speaker 1: If I'm in thick foliage, thick vegetation, I usually don't

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Speaker 1: you know, depending on how close we are to the bird. Um,

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Speaker 1: if we're cold calling, you could set up you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, on the turkey's site, um, to keep them

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Speaker 1: only setting up decoys if we got good visibility, you know,

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Speaker 1: see the decoys, and I'll set them up typically on

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Speaker 1: guess I wouldn't say I don't typically change my decoy

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Speaker 1: approach out this season. It's usually always a jake behind

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Speaker 1: a hen. How about you. You're honest, you know, I

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Speaker 1: love using a strutter decoy just because I feel like

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Speaker 1: it's faun, you know, because that strutter really like entices

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Speaker 1: and you get to see the whole show and all that.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I've never like used the strutter and then

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Speaker 1: I might him off, um, but I'm with you. It

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Speaker 1: seems like for running gun the decoys can almost get

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Speaker 1: you're constantly like setting up and then setting up for

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Speaker 1: the decoy placement, right, And if you didn't have the decoy,

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Speaker 1: you just set up so that you know when the

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Speaker 1: bird comes over the horizon to come check you out,

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Speaker 1: you shoot him right, Instead, you're kind of setting up

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I do feel like for running gun it's

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Speaker 1: not as it's just better to leave him behind. Um,

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Speaker 1: but there's no doubt in my mind that like on

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Speaker 1: a like an open field set up like a big spread,

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Speaker 1: definitely can just be the actual little bit of realism

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Speaker 1: that you need to bring in the bird for sure.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna add on to that question, Um, do you

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Speaker 1: feel I mean, we've all seen you know, Gabbler's takeoff

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Speaker 1: running across the field at a foam decoy, you know,

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Speaker 1: just a cheap decoy. Do you feel there's any need difference?

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Speaker 1: Are turkeys smart enough? The wildiest turkey? Can you fool

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Speaker 1: him like with a stuff for decoy, which is you know,

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Speaker 1: somebody's taken the you know, a real turkey taxidermy it up?

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Speaker 1: Or do you think it matters that much between would that, ever,

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Speaker 1: having a stuff for decoy versus you know, you're cheaper

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Speaker 1: film options. Yes, I think I feel like I've seen

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Speaker 1: We've we've had birds coming in like instantly, like all

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Speaker 1: and it seems like the birds you know, could tell

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Speaker 1: at times that you know, it was more real life. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: real life. I like to run those uh Dave Smith decoys.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you've probably used those two, and I don't

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Speaker 1: know of others that are as realistic or more realistic.

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Speaker 1: That being said, I've had birds turn away from those two.

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Speaker 1: same corner where in the last week, you know, five

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Speaker 1: up and somebody even maybe shot round off at one point,

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Speaker 1: like it doesn't matter what you got going on, and

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Speaker 1: they're just like, no, not into it, you know, yep, no,

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Speaker 1: quality of decoys, whether it's Dave Smith if you're hunting

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Speaker 1: you know, Kansas flat Lands versus if you're in eastern

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Speaker 1: Washington and Canyon Country like you know, and then and

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Speaker 1: then you're the decision run through your head, like is

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Speaker 1: it actually gonna hurt to pull out these smashed up

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Speaker 1: foam decoys that the paints ripped off their heads? You know?

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Speaker 1: And some of that stuff always runs here and I

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Speaker 1: don't know what the right answer is, like is it

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Speaker 1: does it actually do more harm than good? But what

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Speaker 1: I'm in here, I'm excited to try this spring is Uh,

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Speaker 1: I got a whole batch of those uh Montana decoys.

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Speaker 1: They're doing some turkeys now and uh it's like they're

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Speaker 1: like spring loaded, so they still pop out three D.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a very like compared to a Dave Smith,

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Speaker 1: it's a very crude representation. But like and when we

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Speaker 1: hunt eastern Montana, we cover miles every day, and packing

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Speaker 1: around those bigger Dave Smiths, man, you just get gets

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Speaker 1: old after a while, exactly. And so I'll let you

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Speaker 1: know next time we do this next spring. How the

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Speaker 1: just super pacable, you know, not as realistic looking, want

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Speaker 1: to do perfect some of the questions that I had

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Speaker 1: pretty honest. Um, you know, I think he spends maybe

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Speaker 1: more time than anybody in the spring Jason turkeys, um

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Speaker 1: quite a bit. He's frowning at my cross table there,

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Speaker 1: so he spends quiet, he spends more time turkey hunting,

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Speaker 1: I think on it on any given spring than I do.

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Speaker 1: and it seems like now, of course, any time I'm anywhere,

426
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:09,880
Speaker 1: you know, if we're in a Kansas spot that kind

427
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 1: of looks like it, it it reminds me of like, oh,

428
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,880
Speaker 1: I just you feel like you're in turkeys and uh,

429
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of my my ideal set up.

430
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,720
Speaker 1: But it's it's on the ground. It exists. We just

431
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,200
Speaker 1: don't have permission to hunt the private anymore. Never did

432
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,880
Speaker 1: we never did. We have the fringes, but you could

433
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 1: like you know, you you do your morning hunt, maybe

434
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 1: go back, you know for lunch or whatnot, and there's

435
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 1: you know, birds everywhere on you know, every edge of

436
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 1: that place, and it's just like dang, you know, it's

437
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,360
Speaker 1: like it was just perfect. Yeah. Well that's the cool

438
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,160
Speaker 1: thing about turkeys, man, They're so adaptable and they live

439
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 1: I think now in every state in the country, right, um,

440
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 1: dang near. I know that the Alaska population is like

441
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 1: kind of like uh, you know, maybe a myth maybe not,

442
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 1: but there there sometimes you know, Um, but yeah, they

443
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 1: live everywhere, you know, so you can find like, in

444
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 1: your mind perfect turkey have tet anywhere anywhere you go,

445
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 1: all right, Um, aggressive setups for verse being patient and

446
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 1: you know, coming as a you know, a die hard

447
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 1: elk guy, Like I've just kind of taken what I

448
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 1: knew about elk and transferred it to turkey hunting, So

449
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 1: we keep a very aggressive set up. Um. The question

450
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 1: I want to ask, how long do you wait before moving? Like,

451
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,919
Speaker 1: if let's say you're you're in a decent spot, you know,

452
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 1: a hardwood bottom, you hear turkey three or four yards away,

453
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 1: you call you guys play the game for a little bit,

454
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 1: you know, let's say five to ten minutes, a bird answers, answers,

455
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 1: and it seems like either moved off or went silent.

456
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 1: Like how patient is the honest patel us against the

457
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:41,120
Speaker 1: turkey tree? Or are you gonna go move two hundred

458
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 1: yards ahead and see if you can strike him back up?

459
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 1: Like you know, where the heck are you at? Yeah? Boy,

460
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 1: it depends on It depends on the day and in

461
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 1: the terrain big time. Um, Because again, a lot of

462
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 1: times in the open country of the West, you might

463
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 1: be able to see them, you know, and kind of

464
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 1: see what their mood is or you know, if they're

465
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 1: tending to head one way or another, you know, which

466
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: makes it great for us because you can always sort

467
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: of fall back on like a bush wax strategy, which

468
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,400
Speaker 1: is just like, Okay, they're heading generally east, let's jump

469
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 1: on the north side of this ridge and boogie five

470
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 1: yards get in front of them. Because I can tell

471
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: you that it's you're always gonna be more successful calling

472
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: a turkey the direction that he's already going or she's

473
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,640
Speaker 1: already going, then trying to turn them or pull them back,

474
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: you know, the way they don't want to go. This

475
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 1: past spring, when we were in Wisconsin, I was just

476
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 1: telling you about when it was super leafed out, we

477
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 1: had a great example of this where we snuck into like, shoot,

478
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 1: three hundred yards of these turkeys like working this wide

479
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: open chopped corn field, and it was like it was

480
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 1: a hilly corn field, so you could see all the

481
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 1: way up to the horizon. It was maybe five yards

482
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 1: away in these turkeys. There was I don't know, three

483
00:23:54,440 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: or four gollbers working back and forth, um, and we

484
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 1: got the decoys set up without them seeing us. We

485
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: got behind our decoys and and the chopped cornfield was

486
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 1: on the neighbors, so we were like limited as to

487
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 1: like how much we could actually chase them, you know,

488
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 1: and uh, we set up called worked um, called worked um.

489
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,959
Speaker 1: Thought we had one or two pretty fired up. They

490
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: kind of came down the hill across the chopped corn field,

491
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 1: but eventually it went silent and we couldn't see any

492
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: more birds, and we could we had seen a couple

493
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: of fade away, but I kept telling my buddy Miller

494
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 1: that I was hunted with. I'm like, man, like we

495
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: saw it. For whatever it was four gobblers total. We know,

496
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: two faded away, but the other two we don't know

497
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 1: where they are. Like, let's give it some time. Let's wait,

498
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: let's wait, let's wait. And because for sure they had

499
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,239
Speaker 1: seen the decoys. For sure they had heard us. They

500
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: had been answering us, and it probably seemed like a

501
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: lot longer than it was. I'm guessing it was five

502
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: to ten minutes. But all of a sudden, like we're

503
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: looking at, you know, our equoy, and right next to it,

504
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: here comes the redhead. I mean he was in range

505
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: when and it was just like the role of the

506
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 1: terrain or whatever. He was able to, you know, kind

507
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 1: of sneak in on us. But we very easily could

508
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: have been standing there and been you know, their heads down,

509
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: like thinking about the next plan, and just those five

510
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: or ten minutes made it pay off. So I'd like

511
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: to think that, you know, all, at least when I'm

512
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 1: like in a rush, I'll be like, okay, dude, just

513
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 1: give it five give a tent, you know what I mean?

514
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: Like that Turkey's, like I said, most of them just

515
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: really aren't covering that much country in a day, So

516
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: they're not going that far, you know, And so give

517
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: it ten minutes if he's sure. If he was, he's

518
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: walking directly away from you, maybe he's gonna be fifty

519
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 1: yards farther than he was earlier, right there, just slowly

520
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: feeding their way around. Yeah. One thing I noticed this

521
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 1: year on the bird I killed um in Kansas. We

522
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: think he was like a two year old, maybe a

523
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: young three, But there were some big, big Eastern birds

524
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: on that property, like a lot bigger than he was,

525
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 1: and we got to watch him, similar to that story,

526
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: come corner to corner across the cut corn field that

527
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: was just you know, left, and he approached so so slowly,

528
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 1: like made up zero ground and like fifteen minutes to

529
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: come across that field, maybe two hundred yards and you know,

530
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:17,959
Speaker 1: we were hunt with Chris Parrish and he's like that

531
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: bird had been beat up. You know, he was super

532
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: nervous with the situation. You know, kind of as he

533
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: approached that hind decoy all by itself, like just he

534
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 1: was waiting to almost be ambush. He's waiting to you know,

535
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: approach with extreme caution and so you know, but it

536
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: just lets you kind of see, like, well, if that

537
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: would have been where I thought that bird was four

538
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,479
Speaker 1: hundred yards away and he had to cover that like

539
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: it could have been thirty to forty five minutes before.

540
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: Because I inevitably I get super impatient, Well the damn

541
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: thing hasn't answered me. Obviously he left. Let's walk towards him.

542
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: And then you know, you're, you know, two hundred yards away,

543
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: you meet the turkey and it's just an explosion of

544
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: feathers and you know, him bombing out of there, and

545
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: it's like he was still there. He just for some

546
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: reason or another had crossed the lying in the dirt

547
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 1: that said all right, I'm not gonna talk anymore. I'm

548
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: close enough. Um. You know, maybe he's waiting for that

549
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: him to come see him, like I don't know what

550
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: the thing is, but it seems like more times than not,

551
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: when I get in patient, you end up, you know,

552
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: busting that bird um as you get up moving in

553
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: his direction. Yeah, totally, so I think it happens with

554
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: you know, with elk dude. We had one last year

555
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: that I think we already caught him, or maybe we

556
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: had set up. He came feeding out of the timber

557
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: and there's this giant oak tree in the middle of

558
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: a child. I think it was like I think it

559
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: was corn again, maybe it was like half corn half beans. Anyways,

560
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: he comes out, goes around this big old oak tree,

561
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: starts coming towards me, and then veers off, just keeps

562
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: on feeding, goes all the way around this giant oak tree.

563
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: It took him fifteen twenty minutes and he's just feeding, feeding, feeding,

564
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: and he'd already made like emotion to come towards me,

565
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: but he just had to go all the way around

566
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: this oak tree again. And then the second time around

567
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: he came, and then he came to but it was

568
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: still it wasn't like the dominant bird that's just come

569
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: and running where you can just see his you know,

570
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: breast shaking as he's running towards you. It was just

571
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna feed slowly. And then when he finally

572
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: got within that you know range, when he's looking at

573
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 1: my Jake Decoit going like all right, I know I

574
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 1: can beat you up. That was the first time he

575
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: came into strut and he was already within range. You know.

576
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: So let's dive a little bit into how Janice would

577
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: tell us calls turkeys, Like what his strategy is? What

578
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: your technique is? Um? You know there's Kluck's purrs, cackles,

579
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: you know, cutting yelping, Um, is there a and I'm

580
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: sure most of us have a go to Like, you know,

581
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: let's say you're you're set up in a good spot,

582
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: everything's working, the birds a hun fift yards away, Like,

583
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: what's your calling? You know, strategy? I know there's a

584
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: lot of other factors, but let's just say on um,

585
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: you know your general calling setup, Like how are you

586
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: going to speak to the burden? Where are you gonna

587
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: what call you gonna use? Is gonna be on a

588
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: pot call box, a mouth diaphragm? Like can you explain

589
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: that situation? Kind of what your go to is? Go

590
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: to geez? It used to be a diaphragm. Like I

591
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: always felt like if I could, if you're gonna make

592
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: me just have one call, it would be a diaphragm.

593
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: And just because I was that was most comfortable with him.

594
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: It's probably because I've gotten good with an elk diaphragm

595
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: and so it's pretty easy to you know, when I

596
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: switched over. Now, I've also feel like I could probably

597
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: make more nuanced, softer stuff with a pot um. And

598
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: it just depends, like probably for the nuance softer stuff

599
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: slate and then if I want to get a little

600
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: bit louder, you know, I'll go crystal, you know, to

601
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: try to fire one up. But if the birds already there,

602
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: and like I feel like I'm working him, Um, I'm

603
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: gonna start with less and then work towards more. And

604
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: that's something I've learned with my pet turkeys, and it

605
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: might change as we come into the first breeding season

606
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: here soon. But like, rarely do I hear those turkeys.

607
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: I've got one jke and two hands right now. Rarely

608
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: do they make more than like three to four notes. Rarely.

609
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: It's that's what you hear five percent of the time

610
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: out of my turkeys, And you hear just the little

611
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: putts and purrs, but they're not sitting there. Yeah, got cock,

612
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: yeah for seven or eight. Yeah, now everybody's seen now

613
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: a YouTube video. There's some hand that you know does

614
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: seventies to you know, yelps in a row. Um, but

615
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: I would start with less and just think that, you know, again,

616
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: just like percent of the time my turkeys are not

617
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: doing a lot, it's probably similar in the woods, um

618
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: five percent at the time there's probably some hend just

619
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: going bonkers. You can always escalate to that and and um,

620
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: you know, backing up to if the bird wasn't there,

621
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: and if I'm just trying to find one, yeah, i

622
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: might do a you know, ten notes real loud with

623
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: some cutting and stuff just to get an answer, but

624
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: then I'd probably immediately back it off, you know, and

625
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: trying to just work into it. So um, yeah, it

626
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: probably just depends on whether if I have a diaphragm

627
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: of mouth or if I want to pull out the

628
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: pot call you know, how much time I have, you

629
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: know to set up and whatever. But yeah, starting just

630
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: really micro couple three yelps, you know, maybe a little

631
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: a couple of clucks here and there, and then you

632
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: just judge kind of his response as he gobbled as

633
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: he you know, are you or are you just doing

634
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: it regardless? And then you gotta, you know, figure out

635
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: how he responded and then kind of make your next

636
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: play like all right, he like that will get Because

637
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: a lot of times I feel like, even though you know,

638
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: you think that you're getting him all fired up and

639
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: he's gobbling in every call, I have a feeling that

640
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: that bird you could probably quit calling and he's gonna

641
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: keep coming and keep gobbling because he's fired up, right, Like,

642
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: you don't necessarily have to get him all hot and bothered.

643
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: And I'm sure that some people are good enough to

644
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: do that. I don't know if I am. It seems

645
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: like most of the time like he wants to come

646
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: to you anyways. I don't know if he needs like

647
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: to hear you making more yelps to be like okay,

648
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: for sure, I'm coming now, Like he's like, okay, there's

649
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: a hen there, I'm coming, you know. Yeah. And that's

650
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: where it's nice to be able to watch him because

651
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: you know, if they kind of stop and then you

652
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,479
Speaker 1: call again and they start to move again, it's all right.

653
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: He needs, you know, need some prompting to keep moving

654
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: versus you know, like you said, if you make that

655
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: first three or four note yelp, he responds to it,

656
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: he might be on his way regardless of what you

657
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: do from there on out. Um, I'm with you. I

658
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: I I used to be a diaphragm junking because it's

659
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: kind of a carry over from elk calling. But you

660
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: get into turkey calling and I just love the sound

661
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: that you get have a pot It seems like the

662
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: birds are super responsive. My one big conundrum though, is

663
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: all right, you're doing the calling, you're you're running a

664
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: pot call, and the bird gets close or he's visible

665
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: and you're not necessarily you know, tucked in right all right,

666
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: now I've got to is me switching to the mouth

667
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: dif I'm here at the end, you gonna mess it up?

668
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: Is you're gonna notice a difference Like That's always the why.

669
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: I wish you could just you know, have a have

670
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: a caller ten yards back using a pot call shared

671
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: in that way, you don't have to you know, the

672
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: shooter can do what he needs to do or I

673
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: could do. Um. Yeah, hey on top, you mentioned slate

674
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: to bring this up. I just found out this morning

675
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: before this podcast. There is evidently a a slate um

676
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: issue across the country. Shortage, Like I'm having to decide

677
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: now what I want for slate in the middle of

678
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: and we haven't even sold calls yet and so um

679
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: and I'm lucky that Phelps Game Calls was a big

680
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: enough customer last year, thankful to the meter x Belts

681
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: line and it's popularity that we made like that that

682
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: we were like the bottom cut of being on the

683
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: list of even being able to buy slate from the

684
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: one manufacturer. So it's getting crazy out there. Um Like

685
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: just it's not like glass or crystal or something that's

686
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: like more you know, um man made. I guess it's

687
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: being naturally produced stone, Like there's only gonna be x amount.

688
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: And if you don't, if you're not part of the

689
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: do you know if like demand his increase like in

690
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: some other production that happens in the world. I just

691
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: think that there was. It sounds like there was. It's

692
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: been bad business for the last couple of years. So

693
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 1: they're um raising the price up. And they basically said

694
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: like well, you know, basically there was anybody else besides

695
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: this group of of you know, people that have the

696
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: slate could sell to you. But other than that, like

697
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: we're no longer distributing slate to the smaller companies, Like, well,

698
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: that puts us in a weird spot because you know,

699
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: we're we're here probably you know, early March of you too,

700
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: and I'm making the decision like what are are forecasting

701
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: and and everything's gonna be for But it's it's such

702
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: a it's such a good material for a tricky call.

703
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: Um you want to be on that list? Or Yeah,

704
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: interesting decisions I gotta make. Yeah, yeah, I think we'll

705
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: we'll definitely probably buy more than we need, just to

706
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: make sure we have someone hand. Yeah. Um, soeah, just

707
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: a little side fact on on the slate issue in

708
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: the United States. Right now, we're gonna drop down to

709
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: the question that I had for you is and then

710
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: this is very dependent. I mean, if you're hunting Osceola's,

711
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: you're obviously going to be in you know, March early April.

712
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: Or if you're hunting Washington way up north, it's gonna

713
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: be different. Let's take like your typical Midwest state, Um,

714
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: what's your favorite seven days? I mean, you know you're

715
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: hunting from April, you know, I think last year when

716
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: you hunt from April early in April too, you know

717
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: towards the end of May even you're kind of you know,

718
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 1: scattered out like with with a ton of experience covering

719
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: probably two different months. Like if you could pick a

720
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: seven day period, you know, what would be your ideal

721
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: time to be out there, and just top my head,

722
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: I'd probably say like the fifth through the seventh or

723
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: fifth or the twelfth of May. Yeah, elaborate a little bit.

724
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 1: I'm sure your reasons are the same, um for mine,

725
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: because my my days are very similar in Washington. I

726
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: would like to be there, you know that probably that

727
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: first weekend in May, and then hunt that next week.

728
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: You know, if I had to pick a week time there, um,

729
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: you know, I'll let you give your your answers why

730
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: that's such a great time. Um, I'm fully on board

731
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: and and all of your listeners don't hunt the same

732
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: time as me and Yanni um are recommending you guys,

733
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: still fill up opening weekend, get all excited, get it

734
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: out of your system, don't come back in May. But

735
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna do our best to explain why we feel

736
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: that that first part of mayze I mean, honestly, before

737
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: we get into like the turkey, you know, tactics and

738
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 1: behavior and whatever. A lot of it for me has

739
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: to do it just the weather. I mean you can

740
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: kill birds all April long long, but especially hunting out

741
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: west and even hunting in the Midwest. Man, like hunting

742
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 1: turkeys like in a light snowstorm. Yeah, it's still fun.

743
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: I like hunting turkeys and any weather. But is it

744
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 1: as good as when it's like a blue birds sixty

745
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: five spring day and the birds are all going off

746
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: and it's all green and pretty out there. No, it

747
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: ain't the same. Turkey hunting in the rain is only

748
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: better than work, like there's nothing else below it. Like

749
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: I'd rather be turkey hunting in the rain. But it

750
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: just sucks sitting under a tree getting soaked. Um, it's

751
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: still pretty cold that time of year. Reason the reason, No,

752
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 1: I've have been so cold sitting in exactly that. Man, Like,

753
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 1: we had a bird he only gobbled to three times.

754
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: I was with my wife, and uh, he came down.

755
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: We kind of lost him and he popped over a

756
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: little ridgie and I saw a hand with him. But

757
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: they were just feeding our way. But they were like

758
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 1: just feeding because it was just like cold and sopping wet,

759
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: like he wasn't strutting, they were just feeding. I'm like,

760
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: you know what kind of looks they're coming our way.

761
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: Let's just wait it out. And we were there for

762
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,479
Speaker 1: a solid hour and sure enough, eventually here they come

763
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: within range and we killed the killed the tom. But

764
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: like it's just like yeah, you know, yeah, um yeah,

765
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: same thing with my my wife's first bird. Big rainstorm,

766
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: you know, middle April, all the creeks and you know,

767
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: everything was was elevated. You know, small streams that weren't

768
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: supposed to be there were there. And her bird just

769
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: comes in soaking wet. You know, they're not near as pretty.

770
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: You know, it's just yeah, she still I was stoked

771
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: she killed her first bird, but man, did the experience

772
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: isn't the same if it would have been and sunny. Um.

773
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: I want to dive into the biology and maybe why

774
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: or part of Yeah, well, I think what we're both

775
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: probably hoping for is that And now after listening to

776
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: Mike Chamberlain, there's even more reason to do this. But

777
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: they well we're hoping for is that most of the

778
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 1: breeding has happened and the big flocks um have broken up. Um,

779
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: and you're hoping to catch that time period when like

780
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, a majority of the hens are sitting,

781
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: but there's still plenty of hands out there that haven't

782
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: been aren't finished breathing, and so all of a sudden,

783
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: the numbers skew where you know, every gobbler used to

784
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: have I don't know whatever it is, the ratio of

785
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: five to one, six to one, and now maybe it

786
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 1: drops down to two to one or maybe one to one.

787
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: And and those gobblers are they're like still very primed up.

788
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 1: They're like still ready to breed. They're talking a lot

789
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: and and if you just can catch that right, you know,

790
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: that right time period, man, it can just be like

791
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: you're just gonna fool him like no other time and

792
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: fool them easily, and it just like, you know, the

793
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,479
Speaker 1: competition is a lot less if you're dealing with happing

794
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: to beat one two hens versus you know, a flock

795
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: of five or six. And I was told by an

796
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: old timer, and whether it's true or not, is you know,

797
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: those older hens are typically bread first, they start to fill,

798
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: you know, their clutch of eggs up there, they're fully nesting,

799
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: they're no longer being bred. And those are the hens,

800
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: that kind of control those situations, Like they're more likely

801
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: to tell that Tom, we're going this way away from

802
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 1: this hen that's calling to you, which is us versus

803
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: These younger hens no longer have control over him. So

804
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: if you're calling to him, yeah, he might have a

805
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: hint or two, but he's like, I'm just gonna go

806
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: this way because the boss in is no longer they're

807
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: like telling him what he's gonna do or where he's

808
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: gonna go, which you know kind of has always stuck

809
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: with me, whether it's right or wrong. I think about

810
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 1: it that way that you know, early May, um, you know,

811
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: and then that's the thing you even even in early

812
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: you know, mid April, when our season's open up, you'd

813
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: always still get those birds to gobble mid day, which

814
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: you always thought you had a better chance. Um, you

815
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 1: just seem to get more of them, you know, and

816
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: may like you'll get more of that mid day gobbling

817
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: because like you know, they're still fired up, they're still

818
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: wanting to find a hand that wanting to be bred. Um.

819
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 1: But it just seems like it opens up that midday

820
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,479
Speaker 1: gabbling opportunity. You may hear more of them midday, which

821
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: you know, seems to result in a better, better kill

822
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: odds for for us as a turkey hunter. I'll tell

823
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: you what talking about is getting me excited to go

824
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 1: turkey Ready. Yeah, I was telling my kids it was

825
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: time to start talking about turkey hunt and they're like,

826
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: but it's months away. I said, yeah, you gotta get

827
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: primed up. I told him. I said, all right, I said,

828
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: I won't talk about it until February. They're like, well,

829
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: February is in two weeks. I'm like, I know, that's

830
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: all I'm giving you. What do you have on the

831
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: docket this year for pretty uh pretty exciting and full spring.

832
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think where we start. I want to

833
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 1: say that the first hunt is California, where I'm hunting

834
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: with my friend room map Um. So we're gonna hunt

835
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: Rio's out there, like near Napa Valley, which I've hunted before,

836
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: and I came away with one of the worst cases

837
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: of uh poison oak I've ever had. So I've got

838
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: that top of mind to hopefully do better. I don't

839
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna do. If I'm just gonna bring

840
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: like five changes of clothes and never put on the

841
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: same clothes, or just do a lot of scrubbing with

842
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: hardcore soap. But uh, and then, um, let's see, we're

843
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: doing the TRCP turkey Hunt. Steve and I are doing

844
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: that in Michigan. Um, and that's in April two. I've

845
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: got a fam my annual family turkey hunt in Montana, um,

846
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: where we go on camp usually for four or five days. Um.

847
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm missing something, but I'll probably get

848
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 1: just some other you know days here and there in Montana. Yeah,

849
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: it would be good. Oh, I almost forgot. We're going

850
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: Steve and I are going to Central America for the

851
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 1: oscillated which is kind of a turkey, not really a turkey,

852
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: kind of a turkey. Um, it looks like just as

853
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: much as like a peacock, because it does a turkey.

854
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: They they don't, they don't. We're not gonna be doing

855
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: any me. But this is where like the skill of

856
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 1: getting up at four o'clock in the morning and slipping

857
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: through the woods and getting under his tree, Uh, is

858
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: gonna come in handy because I believe sure, but I

859
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: believe that to kill one you have two options. Sit

860
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: on a field that's got agging it away from the

861
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: walk by which I'm not that interested in or slip

862
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: through the woods in the dark and the coming dawn,

863
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 1: and when he does, they make some sort of noise

864
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: that will get that will give away their location and

865
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: slip in there and then once you can see them,

866
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: you shoot them off the roots, which I think is

867
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: what Steve and I are gunning for. That brings up

868
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: pulling another topic for a whole another podcast on you know,

869
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: like it's probably acceptable to shoot him out of the

870
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: roost down you know, that type of bird down there

871
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: versus you know up in North America. It's kind of like, ah,

872
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 1: you don't want to do it that way. No. I

873
00:43:54,400 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: think some states it's even illegal. So closing this up,

874
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,439
Speaker 1: your honest if you had one tiper tactic to give

875
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: to a turkey hunter out there that hasn't had success

876
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: and this might be able to kind of turn the

877
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: corner form, what would your your advice be, mm hmm,

878
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: just one huh, just your one main one if you

879
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: had to pick one. I mean, we all know there's

880
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: a bunch of them, but just like one piece of

881
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: advice that over the years has maybe helped you or

882
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: you may help them. Yeah, well, I feel like when

883
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: I see a lot of beginners the mistake that they

884
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 1: make is, um, you know, I'm not gonna go into calling.

885
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep it even simpler than that. Is, like movement.

886
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: People just don't seem to understand how good the turkey

887
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: turkey's eyesight is and then how little they will put

888
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: up with when they catch micro movement. They might not

889
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: know exactly what they saw, but they're like, man, there

890
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: was a leaf that moved the wrong way over there

891
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: in those bushes, and I'm just not sure, so I'm

892
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 1: not messing with it, and I'm not gonna even run away.

893
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna kind of just veer and slowly feed away.

894
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: And when that stuff happens, you might be like, oh man,

895
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: my decoy set up was wrong. If you're like a

896
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: beginner hunter, I can almost guarantee you that, no, it

897
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: was because you thought that you can move your head

898
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: three or four inches and look out of the corner

899
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: of your eye, because you had to look at the

900
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: turkey because and and he caught your the bill of

901
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 1: your hat moving, or he caught your gilly you know,

902
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: um head net, you know, moving a little bit, your

903
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: gun barrel moving a little bit, whatever it is. But

904
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: like they just won't put up with it. You've got

905
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: to like the only time I move on a turkey

906
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: is if I am sure that turkey's head went behind

907
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: something that they cannot see through. And if it's like

908
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,479
Speaker 1: a bush, I'm probably not gonna move because I feel

909
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: like they're going to see through the bush. And if

910
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: it's like a solid tree trunk or baila hay or

911
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,919
Speaker 1: maybe even a fence post, like you have a half

912
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: a second where you can just like you know, justust

913
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: your gun two inches three inches whatever it might be,

914
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: or just your butt because it's fallen asleep. But like, yeah, man,

915
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: just you gotta like you gotta sit so so still

916
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: and literally let them walk in front of your gun

917
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,439
Speaker 1: barrel versus trying to swing on him. There's so quick,

918
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna say, Like, you know, the

919
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: movement of guns even need to be like you know, sloth,

920
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: Like we've thought like, oh, he's in range, like I'm

921
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 1: gonna move my gun from my knee now and point,

922
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: you know, put the beat on him, and that you

923
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: know that half a second it took me to get

924
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: from on my knee to you know, maybe twenty degrees.

925
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: He's gone and I can't get back on him. It's

926
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: just like so he puts he puts ten yards on you,

927
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you know, you went from

928
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: having like a maybe okay shot and now it's very marginal. Yeah,

929
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: if you think you're moving slow enough, moved just a

930
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: little bit slower or not at all. You know, it's

931
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: like even head turns hunting with Chris Parris, who's did

932
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: it forever, Like it might take him a minute to

933
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: look from his right to his left. You know, maybe

934
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: he'll move his eyes, but then his neck turned or

935
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: his head turns on his neck, just like extremely slow. Um,

936
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: you know, just making sure if there's birds close that

937
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: you know, no, no fast movement. Well, um, well, good

938
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: luck to you this year. You're honest on all of

939
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: your spring turkey outs. I really appreciate, you know, taking

940
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: the time to be on the podcast today and uh yeah,

941
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: thanks for having me on. You got me all fired up.

942
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: Now man, I'm gonna go home and bust out a

943
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: pot call and start talking away at my and my

944
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 1: pet turkeys and and up in my my language game

945
00:47:44,080 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: perfect per have a good one. You're on his Thanks

946
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: h