1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Why did two little brothers, 2 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: ages nine and eleven both have to die? I've been 3 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: looking at a photo of them over and over. They 4 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: both have beautiful, dark brown, curly hair. The picture I 5 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: keeps seeing of them that I'm looking at right now 6 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: looks like them, maybe at a baptism or some church event. 7 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: Both just scrubbed in sunshine, big smiles on their faces. 8 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 1: They look so much alike. Ages nine and eleven now gone. 9 00:00:52,960 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: Mark and Jacob both dead. I want just crime stories 10 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Why did two little boys not well, 11 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: but two brothers die? Take a listen to our friends 12 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: at NBC four. Such a tough situation out here in 13 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: Westlake Village. We've seen sheriff's deputies visibly shaken after a 14 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: young boy was struck and killed by a vehicle here 15 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: on Triunepho Canyon Road and Saddle Mountain Road. You can 16 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 1: see the intersection behind me still shut down tonight as 17 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: investigators continue their work. Now we are still waiting to 18 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: get details from sheriffs. We know this happened just after 19 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: seven this evening. That young boy only described as a 20 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: juvenile was pronounced dead at the scene and we also 21 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: see what looks like a child's scooter and helmet. Such 22 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: difficult images to take in. Now, a second young boy 23 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: we are told was also struck dot Boy was taken 24 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: to the hospital and his condition is not known at 25 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: this time. Can you imagine that coming up on the 26 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: scene and seeing a little helmet, a child's scooter, and 27 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: crime scene tape with me an all star panel to 28 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: break it down and put it back together again. First 29 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: of all, founder of Class Kids Foundation, Mark class You 30 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: can find him at class Kids dot org. And that's 31 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: with the k. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina trial lawyer. You 32 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: can find her at NC Domestic Law dot com. Renowned 33 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: psychiatrist joining us out of Atlanta, Doctor Angela Arnold at 34 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: Angela Arnold MD dot com, Founder director the Coldcase Research Institute, 35 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: Former president of mad Georgia Mothers Against Drunk Driving. Cheryl McCullum, 36 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My 37 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon, Anne, star of a new series on 38 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: the True crime network, Poisonous Liaisons. Joseph Scott Morgan, but 39 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: first to the lead news anchor W Dbo Ray Kiputo. 40 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: Ray Kiputo two brothers dead and one fell sloop. One 41 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: just nine years old, the other just eleven. What happened, Well, Nancy, 42 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: this was a really hot day. That's happened in a 43 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: Westwak village, Filifornia's about an hour west LA, depending on 44 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: the traffic, and it's so hot day and the family 45 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: goes out of the eating eleven. They're with their mom 46 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: and they're dead and two other siblings and they're simply 47 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: crossing the streets. They're okay, hold on, just let me 48 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: understand something. It's okay. They're with their whole family. It's 49 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: not like the children were in the middle of the 50 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: road riding their scooters. They're in a crosswalk with their family. Correct, Yes, 51 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: well marked crosswalk. You know. I'm I want to understand 52 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: where this is? Mark Class, founder of Class Kids Foundation. 53 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: Where is Westlake Village? Where is that in California? Well, 54 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: it's several hundred miles from where I am. But I've 55 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: been through Westlake and it's a suburb of Los Angeles. 56 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: You know, when you say a suburb of LA. Having 57 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: lived out in LA during Dancing with the Stars, that 58 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: could mean anything. I mean, it could be a beach area, 59 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: it could be a rural area. It could be farming 60 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: land because California is so diverse. But a good hour 61 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: outside of LA, in my mind, means suburbs. People that 62 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: will drive an hour to get to work in LA 63 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 1: through that god awful traffic. So we're talking about a 64 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: suburb of LA which is full of beautiful country called 65 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: Westlake Village. We're talking about Mark and Jacob and they're 66 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: nine and eleven years old and therewith their entire family 67 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: include mommy and Daddy. So back to your raycomputer. I 68 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: think I heard you say they were in a crosswalk. Correct, Yeah, 69 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: it was a crosswalk. Now, this is a suburb, so 70 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 1: it wasn't a heavily congested area. And when you think 71 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: of love downtown Los Angeles, it's kind of a concrete Jongnal. 72 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: It wasn't like this. There wasn't a lot of hills though, 73 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: and it was residential and they were across. What they 74 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: were doing what a lot of families do on a 75 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: Tuesday night when it's hot out. You want to get 76 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: a little exercise, you know. I take Lucy and John David, 77 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: we get the dog fat Boy, and we walk all 78 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: the time, practically every day, rain or shine and It's 79 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: usually about that time when they're done with school and 80 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: I'm through with work and everything is calming down from 81 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: all the craziness during the day, and I'm just imagining 82 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: this family. You know, Raycomputer, you said the whole family 83 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: was there. How many of them were there, Well, there 84 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: was at least siblings. One of them was in at 85 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: so there was the mom and the dad, and you 86 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: can imagine that that. You know, the child in the 87 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: street warders getting the most attention. They're getting pushed around, 88 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 1: but you know, everybody was there. Mom and dad were 89 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: with the kids in and it was just there. They 90 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: get six of them, including the boys, the whole family together. 91 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: You know, when I go with the whole family together somewhere, 92 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: I feel more safe because we're all there together. I've 93 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: got the children with me, my husband's there. Were all 94 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 1: focused on keeping the twins safe at all times. Take 95 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: a listen to Chris Holmstrom at k AL nine. It 96 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: was just before dark. A family of six was walking 97 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: across this crosswalk when tragedy struck. Captain Salvador Basarah with 98 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: the La County Sheriff's Department describes what happened next. The 99 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: family were in a mark cross crosswalk clearly marked. As 100 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 1: she realized there were two cars speeding her way, she 101 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: was able to reach out and grab one of her 102 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: children off of a razor scooter, pulled her, pulled the 103 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: child back with the stroller, but another child of a 104 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: stroller um as the car entered the intersection and hit 105 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: the other two boys. There's six people, including two adults 106 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: and a stroller. How could you not see that? It 107 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: wasn't even dark yet? To Ray Caputo, did the two 108 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: boys nine and eleven die right there on the same 109 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: where they raced to the hospital? What happened? Oh, it's 110 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: just terrible, Nancy. Well, one of the boys died at 111 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: the seat. He was carried on the hood of the 112 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: car for about hundred feet and then the car stopped 113 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: and the little boy flew off and then he was 114 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: he was ran over the other child. Okay, wait wait 115 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: wait wait wait wait wait wait, slow down. What did 116 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: you just say? Unfortunately, the woman hit the little one 117 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: of the little boy can carry him one hundred seats 118 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: and then he flew off the car and random wait 119 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: wait wait right there, Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina trial lawyer, 120 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: So it's not dark yet. They're in a crosswalk. There 121 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: are six people, including two adults and a stroller. That 122 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: accounts for three people, so there were three others. That 123 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: is a group. How can you miss a group of people? 124 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: And Kathleen Murphy just let's just pretend that ship the 125 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: driver come over a hill and hit them, which I 126 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: don't believe is the case because under the rules of 127 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: the road, just like where you put a double line, 128 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: you're not supposed to cross on a double line or 129 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: pass anybody because you're going around a curve. You wouldn't 130 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: put a crosswalk right there as coming up over a 131 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: hill because it's too dangerous. So as if you couldn't 132 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: see them a mile away. We learned from witnesses that 133 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: one of these two little boys was carried on the 134 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: hood of the car for one hundred feet, fell off, 135 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 1: and then the car ran over them. What happened, well, 136 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: I mean, how could you not see it? Crime stories 137 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, guys were talking about the vehicular deaths 138 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 1: of two little boys. When I take the children for 139 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: a walk, I am like a hawk watching cars and 140 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: a lot of times I'll say get off the road, 141 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: get into a yard, just get off the road, because 142 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: I'm afraid the car is not looking. But I mean, 143 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,719 Speaker 1: I want to go back to you, Ray Kiputo. This 144 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 1: was in a crosswalk, and they have engineers looking at 145 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: where a crosswalk should be, where there should be a 146 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 1: double line, where you should put a red light or 147 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: a stop sign or a flashing yellow light for reasons 148 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: because it fits with a topography. I just don't believe 149 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 1: that a crosswalk was You mentioned hills. That's where I'm 150 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: getting this from you, Ray Kidputo. I just don't believe 151 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: a crosswalk was right at the top of the hill. Well, 152 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: there was a crosswalk team, and there's a road that's 153 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: coming down a hilly, very hilly road coming down into 154 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: that and then there's a crosswalk. So my assumption is 155 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: is that you know that might have played into it. 156 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: It says that she was on this road, and I 157 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: believe that she have taken a turn where there was 158 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: a stop sign. It just kep ripping through it because 159 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: she was going really fast. And I've seen this on 160 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: a map and I can understand how someone who's entire 161 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: execute just out of their minds not paying attention to 162 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: the room. And if you're coming down a road like 163 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: you're saying, there's a hill coming down. You can see down. 164 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: It's not as if she was coming up a hill 165 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: and then suddenly you're in a crosswalking there people in 166 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: the middle of it. Cheryl McCollum, you're the former president 167 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: of Mothers Against Junk Driving Georgia. Help me out here, Nancy. 168 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: There were so many things this woman did wrong before 169 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: that accident. I'm just talking right now about the crosswalk. 170 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: Crosswalks are there in that spot for a reason, so 171 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 1: you can see it, correct, but not somebody that's drunk. 172 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: It could very well be she was fiddling with the radio. 173 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: It could be that she was going through her purse. Okay, 174 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 1: speaking of that, take a listen to anchor Suzanne Marquez 175 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: with Tina Patel CBS LA. We have more breaking news. 176 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,719 Speaker 1: A driver has been arrested after a crash last night 177 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: in Westlake Village that killed two children. CBS two is 178 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: Tina patelis live with the latest on this investigation. It's 179 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: heartbreaking developments this morning, Tina. It really is. One boy 180 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: died here at the scene. The other one was taken 181 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: to the hospital and we just learned that he also 182 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: passed away. Now, the Sheriff's department is not releasing the 183 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: ages of those boys are saying whether they are related. 184 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: But you can see the news of the tragic death 185 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 1: has hit this community. Many are coming now to leave flowers. 186 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they weren't releasing a lot of information, and 187 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: now we know why. Take a listen to Mary Beth 188 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 1: McDade KTLA five Grossman, who's married to a prominent plastic 189 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 1: surgeon Peter Grossman, reportedly hit one boy who rolled up 190 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: onto her hood. She reportedly slammed on her brigs so 191 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: he'd roll off, and then she ran him over. Deputies 192 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: reportedly caught up with Grossman about a quarter mile away 193 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: in her white Mercedes, which at front end damage, and 194 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: arrested her. Rebecca Grossman was arrested for vehicular she'd be 195 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 1: charged two counts of vehicular manslaughter and his arrested for 196 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: du The scandals are well known in their Westlake village 197 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: and church communities. So Rebecca Grossman was driving that white 198 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: Mercedes married to a prominent plastic surgeon, Peter Grossman. Now 199 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, former director of Mad m ADD Mothers Against 200 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 1: Drunk Driving Georgia, did you hear that that reportedly hit 201 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: one boy and he flew up onto her hood. She 202 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: kept going about one hundred feet and slammed on brake 203 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: so the boy would roll off, then ran over him 204 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: and did not stop. She kept going. Did you get 205 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: that in the news report from KTLA five. Cops didn't 206 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: find her for a quarter of a mile. But Nancy 207 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: think about the fact that she's already heard him severely 208 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: by running over him and killing his brother. She makes 209 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: the choice of getting that child off the hood of 210 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: her car and ran over him in order to flee 211 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: and get away. She made the conscious choice to do 212 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: more damage to that baby than to stop and renders 213 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: joining me right now, I want to go straight out 214 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: to doctor Angela Arnold, psychiatrist at Angela Arnold MD dot com. 215 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: What in the world would make you keep going after 216 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: you hit a child. It reminds me of a case 217 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:39,359 Speaker 1: I covered on Court TV while back, and the defendant's 218 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: name was Chantey Mallard. She hit a man in the street, 219 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: then with him on the hood. Stuck on the hood, 220 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: she drives all the way to her home, pulls her 221 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: car into the garage, closes the garage, and leaves him 222 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: on the windshield. He could have been saved and the 223 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: time she sat and there going Wow, Am I going 224 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: to get in trouble for this? She left the guy 225 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: impelled on the hood while he died. Here, you've got 226 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: this woman, according to eyewitnesses who you know, they may 227 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: be cross examined at trial, carried the little boy on 228 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: the hood of the car one hundred feet, slammed on brakes, 229 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: the boy fell off, then she ran over him. So's 230 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: it's such a horrific act, Nancy, that most of us 231 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: cannot understand. But to me, it speaks to something deeper 232 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: that is wrong with this woman. On top of her 233 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: alcohol addiction. Apparently, Well, let's talk about that for a moment. 234 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: I want to find out from you, Ray Kaputo, w 235 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: DBO why alcohol is being thrown around. How come we 236 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: don't think she was just let's just say, street racing 237 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: or joy or eye or in a hurry. How did 238 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: alcohol get into the mix? Well, that's what the deputy said, 239 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: what they found her on a mile down the Roadancy, 240 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: this is a scary car. We see this a lot 241 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: with people who have money. They know what happens when 242 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: things go sideways. If you hit somebody and you're drinking, 243 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: the best thing to do to get the heck away 244 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: from the scene, apparently and not be seen until you 245 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: sober up. This woman's car breaks down a mile away, 246 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: and that's when she's busted. If she would have got away, 247 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: I would almost guarantee that they would be mounting a 248 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: defense of I wasn't drinking now. Also, you mentioned street racing. 249 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: She was apparently street racing too. She was traveling at 250 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: a high rate of speed, and she was drinking. I mean, 251 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: what a host of factors. And you wonder why something 252 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: went wrong here, I'll tell you how I learned that 253 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: Dui driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs was 254 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: part of this. Because she is renowned, prominent member of 255 00:16:55,280 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: the community. A husband is a high profile plastic Surgeon's 256 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:06,239 Speaker 1: arrested on suspicion of manslaughter and dui after smashing her 257 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: speaking Mercedes and two brothers, Mark and Jacob eleven and 258 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 1: nine Westlake Village. She only stopped a mile and a 259 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: half away when her engine cut out. Cheryl McCollum, former 260 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: director of Mad Mothers Against Junk Driving Georgia. She didn't 261 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: pull over and call police. She was only stopped because 262 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: of car trouble. She didn't nothing to help the family. 263 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: She did nothing to help the two little boys. She 264 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: did nothing to render aid helping anyway. She didn't even 265 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: go to a pay phone and call NY one one 266 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: anonymously to get help. There, you know, Cheryl, suffering the 267 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: sudden and criminal death of somebody you love sticks with 268 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 1: you forever, as you well know, having dealt with so 269 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 1: many crimes victims. But this mother and father were right there. 270 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: One son died on the scene. Cheryl and the car 271 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: kept going what that must be like to them? I mean, 272 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: hugs used to raise BMX and I can play right 273 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 1: now in my head the worst rent he ever had, 274 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: and he was fine. But as a mother, you just, 275 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 1: you know, play it over and over and over what 276 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: they must be living with watching their two children moved down, 277 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: one killed. It the scene one you have hoped for 278 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,479 Speaker 1: for a moment, and then that snacks from you too. 279 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 1: Because this woman decides she wants to drink and street raise. 280 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: You're not talking about a seventeen year old kid that 281 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: makes a stupid decision. You're talking about a woman that 282 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: has probably drunk more days than she's not that again, 283 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: made the decision earlier in the day to do things 284 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: that were illegal. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we 285 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: were talking about this sudden and tragic death of two 286 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: little boys, age nine and eleven, brothers walking across a 287 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: crosswalk clearly marked on the street, when fate intervened. According 288 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: to police, this woman, Rebecca Grossman, prominent in her community 289 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: and wealthy, not only mowed the two little boys down 290 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: in front of mom and dad, but kept going. She 291 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: was charged with suspicion of voluntary manslaughter and DUI. I 292 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to our cut number twelve. 293 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: Now you may recognize some of these voices. This is 294 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 1: a montage of all the average about how fantastic this 295 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: woman and her husband were. So many of us at 296 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: ABC News know about the work that the Grossman Burn 297 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: Foundation has done to provide so much care, new life 298 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: for women, children, people around the United States and the 299 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: world in need of that urgent medical care. I just 300 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: wanted to take a moment of your time this evening 301 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: to say a few words about the Grossman burn Foundation. 302 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: This extraordinary organization is making a huge difference around the world. 303 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 1: Another miracle at the Grossman Burn Center here in southern Calimarista. 304 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: So the Grossman Burne Foundation has launched a campaign to 305 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: stop the violence carried out against women around the world. 306 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: A local Oscar winning special effects artist has become a 307 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: hero to a woman on the other side of the globe, 308 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: a woman whose face was destroyed by her own husband. 309 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: Rebecca Grossman of the Grossman Burn Foundation found out about 310 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: Eustonce Rebecca takes the prosthetics, travels to Indonesia and delivers 311 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: them to Houston's in person. It's a day Euston's never 312 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: thought would come. Finally she gets the first sign of 313 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: hope that she'll feel complete again. You're hearing so much 314 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: about the Burn Foundation. Remember, this woman's husband is a 315 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 1: prominent plastic surgeon, so they're well known and wealthy in 316 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 1: that community. What does that mean? Is that why we 317 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: don't know the facts of the case. Is that why 318 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: we don't know her blood alcohol content? Is that why 319 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: so many of the facts of this case have been 320 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: shrouded in mystery. I know that the husband, who is, 321 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 1: as I said, a wealthy and prominent plastic surgeon, had 322 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: been working with the Burn Foundation. But what about the wife, 323 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: Rebecca Grossman, And what about that particular day that these 324 00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: two little boys were mowed down? Take listen to Tina 325 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: Patel's cbs LA investigators arrested a fifty seven year old 326 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: driver and charger with vehicular manslaughter. A white Mercedes with 327 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: front end damage was towed away about a half mile 328 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: from the crash scene, but investigators would not confirm whether 329 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: the drivers stop voluntarily or whether this was a hidden run. 330 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 1: People who live nearby hope this crash will be a 331 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: wake up call for drivers to slow down and for 332 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: the city to do more to protect pedestrians. You know, 333 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: I want to go to you, Mark Class, founder of 334 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 1: Class Kids Foundation to protect children. Have you ever seen 335 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: cases where the public doesn't get all the details for 336 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: a lot of the facts surrounding the case are kept 337 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: under the rug. For instance, what is this woman's blood alcohol? 338 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: They're not even saying that. They'll confirm it was a 339 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: hit and run. She was arrested about a mile away. Yes, 340 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: it was a hit and run. I don't need a 341 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: crime scene reconstructions to tell me that, Mark Class. You Nancy, 342 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 1: The nonprofit world is full of hypocrites. It's full of 343 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: wealthy people who sit on boards of nonprofit organizations for 344 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: no other reason than they can talk about themselves at 345 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: cocktail parties and give each other awards for the great 346 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: work that they do. And I think Cheryl can attest 347 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: to that she knows the nonprofit world as well. And 348 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,719 Speaker 1: I think that's exactly what we have here. Now. They 349 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: can talk about how wonderful missus Grossman is and all 350 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: of the great things she's done, But she's also the 351 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: woman who plowed down two little boys, bumped one of 352 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 1: them off of the hood of her car, and then 353 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: ran over him again so that she could escape responsibility. 354 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: This is a woman with no conscience. This is a 355 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: woman with no morals. This is a woman who most 356 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,360 Speaker 1: certainly does not belong behind the driver's seat of a car. 357 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: But I think we're going to find in the end, 358 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: given that this was la given that she's wealthy, given 359 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: that she's white, given that she's blonde, that this woman 360 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: will probably walk away with a very little accountability for 361 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:12,719 Speaker 1: the hideous crime that she committed against this innocent family. Well, 362 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: this is what I know. They have not released the 363 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 1: BAC blood alcohol content. Cops are saying, Oh, we don't 364 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: know if it was hit and run. Yeah, it was 365 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: a hit and run, Cheryl McCollum, I know that she's 366 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: charged with suspicion dui. Now you know the case will 367 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 1: be ruined if they did not do an appropriate blood 368 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: alcohol content test on her, a blow test, and that 369 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: is the end of a dui case. If you let 370 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: her off the hook from that blow test at the scene, 371 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: you can't prove at trial she was dui. So they 372 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: have her charge with suspicion dui. Why would they have 373 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 1: charged her with that, Cheryl, There must be some evidence 374 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: either they could smell alcohol on her breath, there was 375 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: evidence in the car of a bottle or something like that. 376 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 1: But Nancy, the other thing they're missing. They don't have 377 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: the traditional things you would have with an accident like this. 378 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: They're not going to have kid marks. She didn't stop 379 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: good point point, so there's so many things. They can't 380 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: get her accurate speed, They may not have an accurate 381 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: be a thing. They may not have it. We do 382 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: know this though, Cheryl. Now, this is good needs for 383 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: the prosecution if they take the case all the way, 384 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: if they don't get over and pressed with money and prominence. 385 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: Just got Morgan, the professor forensic shacksil State University and 386 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: death investigator. The cops have broken down and told us 387 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: that this socialite Rebecca Grossman did test over the legal limit. Explain, Yeah, 388 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: the legal limit depended upon where you are. It is 389 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: generally going to be in a range of about point 390 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: zero one five that that region right there, and it's 391 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: going to go to significant impairment and that is your 392 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 1: motor function. How can you make judgments? But this is 393 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: this is one of the problems going back to what 394 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 1: Max said just a second ago with her. You know, 395 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: this woman has a history of driving while intoxicated. This 396 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: is my question. If she is addicted to alcohol, her 397 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: tolerance level is going to be much higher. So there 398 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: are people that have a dependency upon alcohol that can 399 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: still function be up you know. Whereas you or I 400 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: might have a drink a couple of glasses of wine 401 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: or something and we're out like a baby, this woman 402 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: might could go through two or three bottles of wine 403 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: still be upright and functioning. Uh So, it's it's kind 404 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 1: of a hit or miss. They need to have done 405 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: this early on. Look at the front end of her 406 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: you can see it at climb online dot com. Yeah, 407 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: into another car at the front end of her Mercedes. 408 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: It looks like she ran into another car. Yeah, if 409 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: I could address that this is a full size Mercedes sedan, Nancy. 410 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: And you know Mercedes, one thing they're known for. It's 411 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: not just a luxury car. They're known as being a 412 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: safe car, well built. And Nancy, it looks like she 413 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,679 Speaker 1: ran into a damn telephone pole. It's a center mass strike. 414 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 1: And just so people at home will understand, if you 415 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: imagine that great, big Mercedes symbol that sits right in 416 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: the center of the grille, that's gone, and not only that, 417 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 1: the hood itself is crushed in. This gives us an 418 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: indication that when she struck these two little boys, as 419 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: you mentioned just a second ago, in front of their parents. 420 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: Mind you, she was traveling at such a high rate that, 421 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 1: at least because I don't have all the data from 422 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 1: the scene, it gives the appearance that she hit a 423 00:27:54,960 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: fixed object, Nancy, not some you know, non anchored person 424 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: like these two children. She hit something at such a 425 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: high rate of speed it literally collapsed the front of 426 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: that car. I don't see how the airbags kept from deploying. 427 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,719 Speaker 1: And if you look at that image real quick, she 428 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 1: did try to flee, and the only reason she didn't 429 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 1: get away if you take a real close look at 430 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 1: that image on crime A line. You'll see that there 431 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 1: are fluids that have poured out of the bottom of 432 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: this thing, so it disabled the vehicle. My guess is, 433 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: as Ray had alluded to earlier, is that if she 434 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: could have put as much distance between her and that event, 435 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: that homicide, then you would have had time for the 436 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: blood alcohol to metabolize in her system. She would have gone. 437 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: And this has happened numbers of times with high profile 438 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: people over the years. If you don't have that science 439 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: to back it up, if you don't know what the 440 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: BA is at that moment in time, you've lost it forever. 441 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: So you can three incremental ten minutes, fifteen minutes that 442 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: passed by the blood alcohol gets the alcohol content gets 443 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: absorbed in the body crime stories with Nancy Grace, guys 444 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: were talking about the street desks of two little children 445 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: nine and eleven, and I want to read something to you. 446 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: Our beloved angels Mark and Jacob departed to our Heavenly 447 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: Christ after being hit by a car last night. The 448 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: church wrote this. They were members of Archangel Michael Coptic 449 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: Orthodox Church. These two little children and listen to this. 450 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, former director of Mothers against drunk driving Georgia. 451 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: Listen to this. Six family members were crossing the three 452 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: way intersection in a marked crosswalk on the road. The 453 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: parents heard the speeding Mercedes. They could hear it speeding. 454 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: And I know that to be true because when I'm 455 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: with the children walking, I can hear a car and 456 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: I can tell it's speeding. You can tell and hearing 457 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: the car, they reached out to grab their children. They 458 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:51,959 Speaker 1: grabbed Zachary and Violet, Mark and Jacob were too far away. 459 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: They heard the speeding car, Cheryl, Now you understand the 460 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: legal implications of this. They could hear it at a distance, speeding. 461 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: There were no skid marks. The parents to grab the 462 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: children they can reach. The ones they couldn't reach were 463 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: mowed down. Analyze it, Cheryl McCollum. Nancy, what you're gonna 464 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: have is you're gonna have the police go. They've got 465 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: to go back. They've got to get video from every 466 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: ring camera. If they have the flock system, they've got 467 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: to get that video. They've got to trace her actions backwards. 468 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: Where did you drink? How much did she drink? Where 469 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: did she get it from? Did she pay for it? 470 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: Was it already at home? Was she ad a bar when, Yeah, 471 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: they're going to retrace all of their her steps, at 472 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: least I hope they are. That they've got to Nancy 473 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: because they don't have anything else, because again, they know 474 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: the blood alcohol is going to be contested. They know 475 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: that they're going to have a fight on their hands. 476 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: So they've got to go back and show, just like 477 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: you used to do that this crime didn't occur at 478 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: ninety seven pm, six forty five. This crime occurred at 479 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: two o'clock when she took her first drink. It occurred 480 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 1: at three fifteen when she took the next one, It 481 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: occurred at five to sixty when she had her third one, 482 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: and then she chose to get in the car after 483 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: five or six or a bottle. And that's what they've 484 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: got to show the importance of that. They've got to 485 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: go back and show every speeding ticket. They've got to 486 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: show every failure to maintain lane. They've got to show 487 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: every DUI she's ever had, even if they reduced it 488 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: to you know whatever, they might have reduced it to 489 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: reckless driving or such. You know, we all know reckless driving. 490 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: Usually a DUI that's been reduced. They got to look 491 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: at every single one, every single time her prominent husband 492 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: has saved her, they've got to go talk to friends 493 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: and said, Hey, how many cocktail parties does she throws? 494 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: How often do y'all know her to? You know's going 495 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: to be critical that they trace her steps that day? Amen, 496 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: Because Mark Class, I mean, we still don't know what 497 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: a blood alcohol is or was because they're not releasing it. 498 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: But have you ever heard accident used in DUIs? It's 499 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: no accident, Mark Class, Because as Cheryl McCollum was saying, 500 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: you start in the day drinking, you decide to get 501 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: your car keys, You decide to walk out to your 502 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: car after you've been drinking. You decide to insert the 503 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: key in the ignition and start the car, put it 504 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: reverse and then drive there you go. All those were 505 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: conscious decisions, Mark Class. There were conscious decisions by a 506 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: woman who's probably done that hundreds of times and doesn't 507 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: really seem to care about the safety of anybody else, 508 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: feels that she's privileged enough that she can do what 509 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: she wants when she wants, and have some kind of 510 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: a sterling reputation and a lot of money to fall 511 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: back on. Straight out to Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina trial 512 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: lawyer Kathleen, I pray to God they did a blood 513 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: alcohol test on her. If they did in the case, 514 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: is you know over because they're not going to be 515 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: able to prove she was DUI at the time. But 516 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: let me ask you my question. At the scene, we've 517 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: seen so many celebrity walk a straight line, tests, touch 518 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,240 Speaker 1: your nose tests, say the ABC's test. What other tests 519 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,280 Speaker 1: are performed at the scene or supposed to be performed 520 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: when cops suspect DUI. Well, obviously the markers are a breathalyzer. 521 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: She could refuse the breathalyzer. She refuses the breathalyzers, they'll 522 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: take blood work at the hospital or wherever she can 523 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 1: cars hers. I would suppose they can do the field 524 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: sobriety tests such as hiltoe. They also can take other 525 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 1: steps to determine whether or not they're drinking, such as 526 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: alcohol bottles in the car, the smell of alcohol on 527 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 1: that lady's breath. I've looked on line and I can't 528 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 1: find out anything with respect to a report of her 529 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: blood alcohol level, none whatsoever. But we do know this, Kathleen, 530 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 1: we do know that this prominent socialite, Rebecca Grossman was 531 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 1: involved in an accident twenty twelve where the other driver 532 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: claims she ran a red light driving over sixty five 533 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: in a forty mph zone and plowed into the back 534 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: of his car. The driver passed away later from ill hilp, 535 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: but the insurance report includes his detailed description of the crash. Now, 536 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: in that case, we know that insurance paid out one 537 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars and a settlement with Grossman. She was 538 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: injured in that too, So what, if anything do we 539 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: know about her history, Ray Kaputo. Well, Dancy, she's got 540 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: a good driver, that's for sure. I mean, you can 541 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 1: only speculate that that's connected to this. I don't know 542 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,320 Speaker 1: for sure, but it seems to be that the rating 543 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,319 Speaker 1: was on the wall for miss Grossman, and she had 544 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,839 Speaker 1: plenty of opera to need to fix, you know, some 545 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: of the issues that she had in her wife when 546 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 1: you know she didn't And here we are. This tragedy 547 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 1: was avoidable. There was something that shouldn't have happened and not. 548 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: This family is going to be living with us for 549 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: the rest of their lives and disclose. His wife is 550 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: done too. Pretty much, a reputation is gone. I'm really 551 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: more worried about the two dead boys than anybody's reputation, 552 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold, What about the people surrounding her? I mean, 553 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,760 Speaker 1: according to a Daily Mail report quote, she's a reckless driver. 554 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: The socialite charge with killing two young boys in Dui 555 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: hit and run previously totaled another driver's car after quote 556 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 1: speeding through a red light, and then she sued him 557 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: even though she ran into the back of his car. 558 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: You know, Nancy, I don't believe that they should be 559 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: calling her a socialite. I think that they should be 560 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,839 Speaker 1: calling her a sociopath. That is what this woman is 561 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 1: at at the whole or of who she is. She 562 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: is a sociopath. Why do we have to be describing 563 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 1: this woman who has hit and killed two children and 564 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 1: has absolutely no remorse instead of a socialite, we should 565 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 1: be calling her a sociopath today, because that is just wondering. 566 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: Gimy Cheryl McCollum, director of Mad Georgia, mothers against jun 567 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 1: driving everybody around her? I mean, are they enabling her 568 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 1: drinking and driving? Way in? Nancy, I think the most 569 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: important thing is forgetting everybody around her. This is solely 570 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:41,320 Speaker 1: on her. She did this. This is nothing new behavior 571 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: she chose to drink, she chose to drive, she chose 572 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: to try to cover it up, she chose to try 573 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 1: to hide her face. Now she has chosen not to 574 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 1: reach out to the family and apologize. She has chosen 575 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: to do all of these things that show exactly who 576 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: she is. And I think that last statement was been 577 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:08,240 Speaker 1: own accurate. She is a sociopath, you know, Cheryl McCollum. 578 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 1: People refer to these scenes as an accident. I disagree completely. 579 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 1: This is no accident. No, this is a homicide thing. Period. 580 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 1: It's a murder thing. Can you recomputer lead news anchor 581 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 1: for WDBO. What's the status of the case? And now 582 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 1: is she sitting behind bars? Absolutely not, Nancy. She was 583 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,359 Speaker 1: out of jail very quickly. She made that and right now. 584 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 1: But she's spacing some pretty serious charges. I mean, this lady, 585 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: is that by any stretch of the imagination and happy 586 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:47,359 Speaker 1: caver spacing two counts of murder, two counts of vehicular manslaughter, 587 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: of gross negligence, and one kind of hit the one driving. 588 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: And I know that that last the hit one part. 589 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,319 Speaker 1: They had to figure out if she'd actually ran or 590 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 1: her car was a mile away, so they say had 591 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 1: to do a little bit of investigating, and that charges 592 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 1: the remo too. What was there to investigate? She was 593 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,280 Speaker 1: a mile away, of course she ran. Well, she probably 594 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 1: could have spun a towel that she had, you know, 595 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,759 Speaker 1: or shaken up or one half you But I didn't 596 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,320 Speaker 1: condition she was in when she was found. But clearly 597 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 1: she was charged with Well you're right about that, Kapito. 598 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,920 Speaker 1: Nobody knows because all the details are being kept secret. 599 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 1: But we wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace climbed story, 600 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 1: signing off good bye friend,