WEBVTT - Segment 1: Training Camp Practice Live

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the drive. I'm Dale Lulli. He is Matt Williamson,

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<v Speaker 1>and we are live from Steelers training camp here at

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<v Speaker 1>Saint Vincent College. And Matt, that was an interesting little yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I like finishing touch there to the drill the Steelers

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<v Speaker 1>going through there. Now, they had had three receivers going

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<v Speaker 1>out in patterns and you saw a lot of crossing

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and right right, some kind of rubs if you're

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<v Speaker 1>on offense, picks, if you're on defense, right, you would

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<v Speaker 1>call that the final rep. They put Kawant Alexander out

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<v Speaker 1>there one on one against Washington, Big Darnell Washington, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and Quant Alexander gave him a rough time getting off

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<v Speaker 1>the line of scrimmage first of all, and then defended

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<v Speaker 1>the pass down field. Really nice job there.

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<v Speaker 2>So a couple of notes from that is, like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>the majority of the drill was a three on three

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<v Speaker 2>passing drill. But in the middle of the field, right,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a back, it was a tight end, it

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<v Speaker 2>was a slot, it wasn't outside receivers. And they were

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<v Speaker 2>all working, as you mentioned, against man coverage on purpose.

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<v Speaker 2>So the defense was at a huge disadvantage. They knew

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<v Speaker 2>they were getting rubbed and picked and all that stuff

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<v Speaker 2>for middle of the field routes, crossers and things of

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<v Speaker 2>that nature, which is what we've been harping on exactly right, right,

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<v Speaker 2>how many times we told you they need to do

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<v Speaker 2>more of that. They know that, that's why they're doing it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And then they finished it with one on

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<v Speaker 2>one stuff, but not outside receivers. And Alan Robinson and

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<v Speaker 2>Deontay aren't dressed or aren't participating today, Not that that matters.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that they were trying to work on what

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<v Speaker 2>they need to work on middle of the field stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the Steelers in shells today, so not in full pads,

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<v Speaker 1>working on some eleven and eleven here inside run stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, when you get to this situation and guys

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<v Speaker 1>aren't in pads, it's a little different, right, They're working

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<v Speaker 1>on run fits and no Isaac sam Malo out there today.

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<v Speaker 1>Nate Herbig is in there in place of him. I

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<v Speaker 1>know West Shulder in the previous segments said that Joebi

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't out there. He is out there, Yeah, I saw

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<v Speaker 1>I saw him in seven shots. He's out there now

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<v Speaker 1>again in this one. But Malie Golden out there in

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<v Speaker 1>place of t J. Watt, Joey Porter Junior not practicing today.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't look like they're having Patrick Peterson practice either today.

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<v Speaker 2>Hayward and water Citty.

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<v Speaker 1>You get James Pierre getting a shot here with the

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<v Speaker 1>first team defense. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, by the way, Mika Fitzpatrick is out there.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, good stuff. So we had two very physical

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<v Speaker 2>days back to back, a night practice and then followed

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<v Speaker 2>up with sort of a short rest practice where they

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<v Speaker 2>went acted pretty hard. Now you get this one to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of fine tune things, give some guys a break

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<v Speaker 2>and then or true break tomorrow, you know, to a

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<v Speaker 2>whole twenty four hours off taking.

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<v Speaker 1>Care of guys bodies. Yeah, it is a long season.

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<v Speaker 1>I know when you know when when when Craig Wolflee

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, some of the older guys coming back.

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<v Speaker 1>In our day, we did two a day's every day. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You also, for a large portion, for those guys in.

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<v Speaker 2>The seventies only played fourteen games even so, oh, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean those guys also didn't come to camp in the

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<v Speaker 2>same condition that these guys.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the other thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a huge part of it, and really the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>part of.

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<v Speaker 1>It is there were no such thing as OTAs.

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<v Speaker 2>That and sports science is way smarter now than that, right,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. I mean there's a reason for this stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that if someone would have been ahead of the curve

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<v Speaker 2>maybe in nineteen seventy five and practice less or smarter,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe they would have had a huge advantage that nobody

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<v Speaker 2>else did. I mean, it's just the sign of the times.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what always gets me, Like, I know, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I hear complaints from people at the youth level. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna start practicing here August first to get ready

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<v Speaker 1>for those youth football games in September. I'm like, more

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<v Speaker 1>football at that, you know, at that age, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>not about that, It's about doing what you do well.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, football is in the game that you get

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<v Speaker 1>better at necessarily from a lot of practice, but you refine,

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<v Speaker 1>like at this point, that's a nice yeah, nice nice

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<v Speaker 1>comeback there by George Pickens.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice deep ball on the outside.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, really pushed that in the ball, Yeah, just drove

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<v Speaker 1>it in there about that's about a twenty yard out.

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<v Speaker 1>And Kenny Pickett drove that in there into double coverage.

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<v Speaker 2>Too, absolutely, And George used his body really well there

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<v Speaker 2>too to kind of present that pocket for him. To

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<v Speaker 2>throw it to but pick it then that show any

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<v Speaker 2>bashfulness whatsoever that was.

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<v Speaker 1>Throwing him open too. It was, it was exactly, And

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<v Speaker 1>that's one of those things like you know, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>a young college quarterback or a young quarterback, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily see that as it develops, exactly because he threw

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<v Speaker 1>to a spot and Pickings had to come back to

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<v Speaker 1>the football.

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<v Speaker 2>And get it right. Just trust the quarterback to take

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<v Speaker 2>me to where I need to be exactly. And I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know who to praise more on that one, Picket

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<v Speaker 2>or Pickings, because they both really did a perfect job right,

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<v Speaker 2>which made it an uncoverable route right right, kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like one of those Aaron Rodgers back shoulder fades that

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<v Speaker 2>Jordy Nelson backs. Then you can do what you can

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<v Speaker 2>do about it. You know, nothing you can do. There's

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<v Speaker 2>roads like that because if you try to play it

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<v Speaker 2>to the back shoulder, which is difficult, he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>really over the top and you'll get a pass interference

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<v Speaker 2>call more often not too and you know, so no,

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<v Speaker 2>it's smart and you can really see development from those

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<v Speaker 2>two second year pass catcher and throwers as well. They

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<v Speaker 2>look like they're veterans at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Mitch Trubisky in there now with the second unit,

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<v Speaker 1>and I see a lot of that offensive line in there,

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<v Speaker 1>the Raven Clark in there. Uh, you got Kendrick Green

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<v Speaker 1>at center looking to see who the guards are since

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<v Speaker 1>herbig was in with the the first unit. Uh, it

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<v Speaker 1>looks like Spencer Anderson's at guard.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't guy's been everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>That might be him at at right guard and let

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<v Speaker 1>me see here, Yeah that is him. So yeah, he's

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<v Speaker 1>played all along that line. Now we've seen him at tackle.

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<v Speaker 1>We've seen him at both tackle positions this week. Now

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<v Speaker 1>today he's at guard. That's really tough to do.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a bit of a story.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean a lot of these seventh round guys get forgotten.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's doing everything and it seems like he's showing

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<v Speaker 2>up more and more on the practice field.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So obviously see something different every day every day.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, this week, you're gonna work on tackle. This week,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna be a no, he's where wherever. He's like

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, the utility guy. Yeah, that's really that's

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<v Speaker 1>really helpful. Again for a seventh round.

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<v Speaker 2>Pick, exactly. I mean I think of a guy like

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<v Speaker 2>Justin Strelzik who started his career that way. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>there's been a couple in history that just our true

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<v Speaker 2>sixth men that can do anything. When when you come

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<v Speaker 2>off the bench and then sometimes you eventually find a

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<v Speaker 2>home or eventually you're just active on game day filling in,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's really valuable too.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can take you're gonna make a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>money in this league for a long time if you

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<v Speaker 1>can do all five of those.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, especially as an offensive lineman.

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<v Speaker 1>But he must you're never a starter if you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be valued for ten plus years. Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>He must be passing all the tests mentally too, knowing

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<v Speaker 2>all these put him out there.

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<v Speaker 1>If he's gonna blow the assignment every time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So he's making a strong push to make that

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<v Speaker 2>final roster.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. That's impressive.

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<v Speaker 2>It is. It's impressive. So what we got going here?

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<v Speaker 2>We got double tights to the left with Hayward and

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's Washington standing up, but I can't quite tell.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's hard to tell, you know, when he's in

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<v Speaker 1>a crouch, if he's not, if he's standing or crouching.

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<v Speaker 2>He's so tall, he's a giant. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>How about sixty eight polling around the edge here. That

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<v Speaker 1>one opened the eyes. More guys just nfl wide open here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, one hundredercent schemed up. It kept seven in

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<v Speaker 2>the block, they kept both those tight ends to block

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<v Speaker 2>in there, and just had a three man combination and

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<v Speaker 2>it popped wide open.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Big William Duncle pulling out from a guard spot to

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<v Speaker 2>protect the backside or the front side, I should say

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<v Speaker 2>on that one, that was interesting. He makes he's making

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a name for himself too. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's uh, it's interesting. Uh looking here at the

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<v Speaker 1>defense out there, you've got a lot of the third teamers.

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<v Speaker 1>I see David parrellis out there at one outside linebacker

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<v Speaker 1>spots inside on the noses. I believe that's Fojoko there, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>it is it is. Yeah, he's got big Jonathan Marshall

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<v Speaker 1>next to him. That's a lot of beef.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of beef. And we got the four

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<v Speaker 2>string quarterback in too. So Yeah, getting a repping the

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<v Speaker 2>bottom of the roster a little bit here, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean that's a big theme for today.

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<v Speaker 1>He hasn't got many reps for Tanner Morgan, but he

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<v Speaker 1>has gotten well more than what they were able to

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<v Speaker 1>get for Chrysal lodakon last year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, good point, good point. So do you think Morgan

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<v Speaker 2>plays much in the preseason.

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<v Speaker 1>Opener, the opener?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they're prepping him for something here.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of these guys are gonna play a lot

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<v Speaker 2>in the opener, and they want to get him mentally ready.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be interesting. I'll be very interested when Mike

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<v Speaker 1>Tomlin has his, uh his press conference later this week.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm sure he's not going to give us

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<v Speaker 1>the exact rundown on how the quarterbacks will be used. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>you know in terms of all the Kenny's going to

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<v Speaker 1>play the first quarter that so and so on and

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<v Speaker 1>so forth. That's a nice throw.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Butler over the middle, Yeah, he's the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>the field option for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, he's a big dude right in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yea the tight window too.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, just if he if he has any

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<v Speaker 1>plans you know, to play uh Tanner Morgan.

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<v Speaker 2>And I wonder how much Kenny plays.

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<v Speaker 1>You would think, well, I'm sure he'll play some, but

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<v Speaker 1>you would think he almost You want to play him

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<v Speaker 1>with the starters. You don't want to play him with

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<v Speaker 1>the with the backups.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, for.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, So do you do you because of that?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you say?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, Kenny, You're not going to play a

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<v Speaker 1>lot in this first game, if at all.

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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking he might not play hardly at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I'm thinking this week he might not play

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<v Speaker 1>at all, then play a half next week. Maybe maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the starters only play a series this week on offense

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<v Speaker 1>because they are so young. I mean, there's not a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of veteran guys. Or maybe no, right, maybe you

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<v Speaker 1>don't play Isaac sam Malu.

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<v Speaker 2>Or maybe resting day, well for Robinson's resting the day too.

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<v Speaker 1>So those three guys you don't necessarily need to play.

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<v Speaker 1>But the rest of them, they're all second, third year guys,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, so yeah, why not play?

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<v Speaker 2>My hunch is kind of like you said. I thought

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<v Speaker 2>maybe he wouldn't play the first game, play substantial amount

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<v Speaker 2>the second game, then set him down. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that would make some sense.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, he got a lot of a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of playing time last year.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, big old Fajoko ya zipping through there. But

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<v Speaker 2>he guessed the snapcount right and exploded off the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that was five yards in the backfield.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, now again they don't have pads on here, so

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<v Speaker 1>the blocking is a little but still he got in there.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a big body to be moving that quick though.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I like him breaking up dude too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a fun guy, really understands the history of

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<v Speaker 1>the game, things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>That that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's just so many guys that I just

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<v Speaker 1>feel like he's he's he has studied this game. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and those the history of the Steelers, the history of

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<v Speaker 1>that position in the NFL. Yeah, absolutely, you know, it

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<v Speaker 1>gives you a better sense of yourself in how you

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<v Speaker 1>fit into things.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet he's popular in the locker room too, and

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<v Speaker 2>seems like a hard worker and a fun guy to

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<v Speaker 2>be around. And I think he's going to be probably

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<v Speaker 2>an upgrade over the nose play from last year.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we'll see. I mean, Montrevius Adams has still gotten uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a lot of the first team reps, if

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<v Speaker 1>not all the first team reps at this point. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they've got some some nose tackles on this roster.

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<v Speaker 1>How many of them do you keep? You We see

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<v Speaker 1>them using Marshall more at end. Now he's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's listed as a nose tackle or defensive tackle. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know he's six three three and ten pounds. He's

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<v Speaker 1>big enough to ride, to ride on the outside.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he can live inside too. Yeah. Right, so

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<v Speaker 2>he's interesting. I mean, you're probably keeping seven at most

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<v Speaker 2>six for sure, and there's about five of them. They're

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<v Speaker 2>already basically guaranteed the spot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean, you look at that position. It might

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<v Speaker 1>be one of the deepest on the teams.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Cam Heyward, Larry Ogan, Joby, you're two starting ends.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, what do they do there with Montrevius Adams,

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<v Speaker 1>Braden Fojoco, Keanu Benton, Jonathan Marshall. We know, we know

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<v Speaker 1>Benton's making the roster and Leal I kind of look

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<v Speaker 1>at their making the roster. Can Isaiah Loudermilk call hold

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<v Speaker 1>on to a spot his arm, Mom Watts pushing him.

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<v Speaker 2>Those two are probably fighting directly.

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<v Speaker 1>For one spot. You got Manny Jones there.

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<v Speaker 2>He has done a couple of good things.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so they I mean, there's some depth there and

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<v Speaker 1>those guys have If you look at it, you got Hayward, Adams, Ogan,

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<v Speaker 1>Jobi louder Milk, fa Hako, Leal Watts. I mean these

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<v Speaker 1>guys have all played in the league. Yeah, even Marshall's

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<v Speaker 1>gotten some you know, some snaps and Manny Jones. Those guys,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have a ton of experience, but they've got

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<v Speaker 1>experience at the NFL level. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean there's two that don't, Benton and Leal,

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<v Speaker 2>and their future looks bright, and they're gonna be on

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<v Speaker 2>this squad and then you're gonna have some veterans backing

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<v Speaker 2>them up or mixing in with them, you know that

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<v Speaker 2>have been around the block and know what takes in

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<v Speaker 2>this league. So I think that's valuable. I like how

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<v Speaker 2>they've constructed that room. Ideally, i'd love to keep seven

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<v Speaker 2>of those guys. You know, it's hard to do, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>because they're not big. They're not they're not out there

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<v Speaker 2>right now on this punt team right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that you with that expanded practice squad and the

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<v Speaker 1>ability to bring two guys up every week, I think

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<v Speaker 1>at a factor, I can only do that so many

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<v Speaker 1>times during the season where you bring a guy up

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<v Speaker 1>off the practice squad, but you do have those two

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<v Speaker 1>additional spots, you know. The one caveat with that though,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe if I've read that rule correctly. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have your third quarterback be available, you can't use

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<v Speaker 1>both of.

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<v Speaker 2>Those spots, so he takes up one of the two.

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<v Speaker 1>Essentially, Yeah, because they don't want to, you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to. That would if you if your third quarterback,

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<v Speaker 1>as the emergency quarterback, has to play, that pushes your

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<v Speaker 1>game day roster then to fifty one players because you

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<v Speaker 1>dropped down to fifty forty forty five whatever it is,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd have one extra player because of the quarterback situation.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can't bring up two guys if you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to use the emergency quarterback as they're the third quarterback.

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<v Speaker 2>I would think in a normal regular season game, unless

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<v Speaker 2>Picket or Trubisky was fighting something, I don't think I've

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<v Speaker 2>interested in the third quarterback. Yeah, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's a lot of disaster that would have

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<v Speaker 2>to happen, and people might ask, Okay, so if that's

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<v Speaker 2>the case, then who is.

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<v Speaker 1>Your emergency quarterback on a game day? If something were

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<v Speaker 1>to happen to the top two guys and you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have that third guy available, it's sex Gentry, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet it's Entry, right, Yeah, because I mean he

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<v Speaker 2>went to Michigan as a quarterback.

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<v Speaker 1>Like he was a top rated one of the top

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<v Speaker 1>rated quarterbacks in the country. Who just happened? Now, you

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't obviously do a lot of throw.

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<v Speaker 2>Change.

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<v Speaker 4>I did.

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<v Speaker 1>I did a little story about that last year for

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<v Speaker 1>Steelers dot Com. UH and and you know, talk to

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<v Speaker 1>UH to Matt Canada about that, and and you know

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<v Speaker 1>they would they would have a small package fore I

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<v Speaker 1>talked to Actually, I could talk to UH to Sully

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<v Speaker 1>about that as well. You know they've seen him throw.

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<v Speaker 1>He can throw the football.

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<v Speaker 2>And I would think too, if that disaster happened, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it obviously decreases your chance of winning the football game massively.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean any third quarterback, let alone UH a tight

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<v Speaker 2>end playing quarterback and emergency quarterback. But I think what

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<v Speaker 2>you do is bring out all the beef, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>six offensive linemen green in the backfield, all the tight

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<v Speaker 2>ends and just hammer them, you know, and then try

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<v Speaker 2>to shorten the game to no end. See how it

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<v Speaker 2>takes you. I mean, you don't want him dropping back,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, throwing out routes downfield, you know, over and over.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah no, but you could do some shorter stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he could throw some bubble screens and things

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<v Speaker 1>of that nature that I'm sure he's done. Yeah you

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned green there again, and there's something to that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, there's something to that. I think that's sticking.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're not just repping it just to rep it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I really think what they what they're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to do. I don't think they want to put too

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<v Speaker 1>much on on Connor Hayward's nice A great punt, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>still traveling.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Yeah, Preshley Harvim boomed that one. Yeah, beautiful spiral,

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<v Speaker 2>perfect placement.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't think they want to put too much

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<v Speaker 1>on on Connor Hayward's plate.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a lot of physicality. Yeah, you could. He still

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<v Speaker 2>will do it. I'm sure he's good at it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the motion stuff, the lead blocking stuff. But if he's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna play all your teams, he's gonna run a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of routes. Carry the ball five times a year or

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<v Speaker 2>something like that. You might carry it more than that

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<v Speaker 2>and he's not. He might be your third running back. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's I mean, he could do that too on game

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<v Speaker 2>day you're talking about, or even on the roster. Yeah, okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's certainly possible. But that's a lot of wear and

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<v Speaker 2>tear on his body, you know, right, so you don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to you don't want to use him up. And

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<v Speaker 2>Green's obviously a different body type, I mean, a little

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<v Speaker 2>huge human being, a little bit another nice punt, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>The more the more I've watched Hayward in this camp

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<v Speaker 1>and do all these different things, it's kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>Jalen Samuels, a better version Jaylen Samuel.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what they wanted out of Samuels.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think he's a much better route runner. I

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<v Speaker 2>think better hands better, I don't remember. Samuel might be

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<v Speaker 2>a better runner. He might be a better runner. Samuels,

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<v Speaker 2>I know, tested pretty well from what I remember, but

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<v Speaker 2>I never really saw that translate to the field where

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<v Speaker 2>Hayward to me, moves and plays faster than he tested,

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<v Speaker 2>where Samuels was the opposite. And it's a hard thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, a lot of these guys, oh jack of

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<v Speaker 2>all trades, you can do all these things in the league.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of the time you can't, you know. I always

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<v Speaker 2>talk about that. On defense. So he says, Isaiah Simmons

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<v Speaker 2>is a safety, a linebacker, a slot corner, blah blah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well he might be none, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But what we saw all Yeah, the thing about Hayward

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<v Speaker 1>it really separates him is his ability to get downfield. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he saw that show up a couple of different times

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<v Speaker 1>last year. I don't remember seeing Samuels make those kind

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<v Speaker 1>of catches over the middle, like the.

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<v Speaker 2>Fifteen yards downfield and then after the catch. He's pretty

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<v Speaker 2>good too.

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<v Speaker 1>Because if you remember with Samuels at the I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was at the combine, they had him work out

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<v Speaker 1>with the tight ends. Yes, he had a te next

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<v Speaker 1>to his name, and that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Not what he was now at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Whereas with Hayward, I mean, Samuels had been a running

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<v Speaker 1>back his entire career in college, whereas Heyward did everything

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<v Speaker 1>in college in.

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<v Speaker 2>College, right, Samuels caught a lot of passes. It was

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<v Speaker 2>him and the hem Hines in that backlefield at NC State,

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<v Speaker 2>and they both were really good receivers. They both probably

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<v Speaker 2>have bigger numbers as pass catchers. But it didn't translate

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<v Speaker 2>the league all that well, and you didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>hand them the football.

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<v Speaker 1>I know everybody'll talk about why he had that one

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<v Speaker 1>game against the Paytriots. Patriots were daring them to run the.

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<v Speaker 2>Foot That's what they wanted you to do was handed

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<v Speaker 2>to him. Belichick was like, please hand it to Jaylen

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<v Speaker 2>Samuels and he did fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, to his credit, he put up a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>yards and again he did he did the key though.

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<v Speaker 1>All that stuff's great, But maybe Hayward's biggest value is

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<v Speaker 1>to Danny Smith. He's a core, core special teamer, so

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<v Speaker 1>this offensive stuff is wonderful. But I don't remember Samuel's

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<v Speaker 1>ever being that type of guy, you know, being a

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<v Speaker 1>core special team or like a great one. Yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 1>just Connor Hayward is dynamic, you know, and that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>one thing that that you know, again, you know, his

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<v Speaker 1>his forty time and all that stuff. You know, it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't great.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't remember, but I think he's like a

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<v Speaker 2>four to seven and something like that. High four to

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<v Speaker 2>six is something like that. But he's quick and he

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<v Speaker 2>changes direction well and in a way he uses his

0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:52.400
<v Speaker 2>shortness to his advantage and then he plays with good

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<v Speaker 2>leverage and kind of has a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>bowling ball feel to him, both as a route runner

0:18:56.760 --> 0:19:00.040
<v Speaker 2>and after the catch or as a runner. So he

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<v Speaker 2>pulled up his numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't remember, seven to two, Yeah, one, six,

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<v Speaker 1>three ten yard split thirty two and a half inch vertical.

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<v Speaker 1>So nothing there is gonna like ooh jomp off.

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<v Speaker 2>What was his weight?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh? They listened to two thirty three five eleven two

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<v Speaker 1>thirty three.

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<v Speaker 2>You think he's about that still, right, I mean that's

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<v Speaker 2>probably about his neighborhood, h right. But certainly an unconventional

0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:23.600
<v Speaker 2>tight end. But he's more than a tight end.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. He doesn't look like a four to seven

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<v Speaker 1>two guy though when he's running.

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<v Speaker 2>Down the field. No, he doesn't, No, he absolutely does not.

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<v Speaker 2>And a lot of the stuff he does are not

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<v Speaker 2>straight line routes, I mean does don't. They're not running

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<v Speaker 2>seltyard routes right right. There's a little juke to him,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he shoulder fakes things like that. And no,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a big fan, and I don't think the Kendrick

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<v Speaker 2>Green stuff experiment is a reflection poorly on Hayward.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's just in addition to Yeah, I just

0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:53.320
<v Speaker 1>think they want, you know, perhaps a bigger body in there.

0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:55.840
<v Speaker 1>And again they've done a lot of that six offensive

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<v Speaker 1>lineman stuff before. This is just a different way to

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<v Speaker 1>do it.

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<v Speaker 2>This is more of a Patrick orccard move. Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 2>know then it is the sixth offensive lineman on the

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<v Speaker 2>line of scrimmage. I mean usually almost always when you

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<v Speaker 2>play with that jumbo six line set, it's a tackle,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because he lines up outside the tackle. You're

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna put a center outside. You know, you're tackled

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<v Speaker 2>for a protection help. I mean that's you're asking him

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<v Speaker 2>to do something he's not good at at all. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not saying it won't happen ever when greened on the field,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's gonna be moved around like Ric Hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. Yeah, we're gonna get to break there. Steelers are

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<v Speaker 1>practicing some special team stuff right now here at Saint

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<v Speaker 1>Vincent College. The rain is holding off, which for now

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate a little dubious. Yeah. He is Matt Williamson.

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<v Speaker 1>from Steelers training camp practice here on the campus of

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<v Speaker 1>Saint Vincent College. And that was interesting little play there.

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<v Speaker 1>This was some eleven on eleven there, and they had

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<v Speaker 1>Nausey Harris.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>He started in the slot, started in motion like he

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<v Speaker 1>was going to motion into the backfield like we've seen

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of you get pretty used to that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, then they put another wrinkle on it, and

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<v Speaker 2>then all of a sudden.

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<v Speaker 1>He just boom turned and and you know, ran back

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<v Speaker 1>out to the to the slot and caught a pass. There.

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<v Speaker 1>Hadn't seen that a whole lot thus.

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<v Speaker 2>Far, especially from Nausey. Yeah, I mean it from some

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<v Speaker 2>of the other guys, but yeah, yeah, I thought the

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<v Speaker 2>exact same thing. I was like, ooh, I haven't seen

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<v Speaker 2>this motion yet from him, and he looks a little

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<v Speaker 2>different doing it. And so not only well these guys

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<v Speaker 2>just everyone's watched football knows. You go from the slot

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<v Speaker 2>or outside and sometimes you kind of jog into the

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the and then you see who follows. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>well his was more of an aggressive you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>like pounding.

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<v Speaker 1>The Maybe they could hand it off to him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, snapped the football and then he flipped around and

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<v Speaker 2>changed direction as well, got outside, caught one in the

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<v Speaker 2>flat and you know, picked up a few yards. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but this motion stuff's great. I mean they're doing a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of it, and you got to remember this is

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<v Speaker 2>only ten days in the camp or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So some of the stuff that you and I have

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<v Speaker 2>getting accustomed to is what the defenses will get accustomed to.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they'll add a wrinkle on the wrinkle you know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that looked like a wrinkle. Yeah, exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>We now have Broderick Jones at left tackle and Dan

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<v Speaker 1>Moore Junior at right tackle. Well, now they've already switched

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<v Speaker 1>that out, so it was just a yeah, yeah, now

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<v Speaker 1>it's l Raven Clark in there, and we got Trubisky

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<v Speaker 1>into so second the second unit is out there, second

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<v Speaker 1>unit switch.

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<v Speaker 2>Well we're having that nausey, naugy conversation. So it's yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's basically what they've done is just wrapped maybe a

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<v Speaker 2>player to Broderick Jones with the Ones and Dan Moore

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<v Speaker 2>Junior on the right side. It's large than Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>largely been Dan Moore on the left at left tackle

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<v Speaker 2>and Chooks a corps for at right tackle with the Ones,

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<v Speaker 2>as you'd expect, right, I mean, that's that's where Jones

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<v Speaker 2>is right now, and his development not that that's bad.

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<v Speaker 2>I heard Wes and Motes were talking about it right

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<v Speaker 2>before we came on. I thought West made a good

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<v Speaker 2>point point two that you know, development isn't linear. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna have two steps forward, three steps back, five

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<v Speaker 2>steps forward, one step back, you know, and you've got

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to count on him day after day

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<v Speaker 2>after day, especially in protection and knowing everything he you know,

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<v Speaker 2>has to do. And again we're ten days in the camp.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't do that yet. And oh, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Moore is something to say about this. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's probably well, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's nothing wrong with with how he's right handling

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<v Speaker 1>things here. So yeah, again, Kendrick Green working is at

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<v Speaker 1>second team center there.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see if he still was a center of two folks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, see if they do anything with him with the

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<v Speaker 1>third group comes back out, if he goes out there

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<v Speaker 1>and does any full back work.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, has he been doing most of that with the ones? No,

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<v Speaker 2>it's been with the three. With the three, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't remember. Okay, Yeah, just trying to rep it. When

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<v Speaker 2>he starts doing it with the ones, then we'll really yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, this is.

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<v Speaker 1>Something that they're really thinking about here. It's I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we're only talking about basically six or seven plays lust.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, but it is noteworthy because it's fun and I

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<v Speaker 2>think it might work out too.

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<v Speaker 1>It is fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we're getting to see the the third team unit

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<v Speaker 1>is coming on to the field here, boy.

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<v Speaker 2>Can with another catch there, see where they're basically on

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<v Speaker 2>the hashes. It looks like in the middle of field.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks like Spencer Anderson is going to be the

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<v Speaker 1>left tackle with this group now in this in this.

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<v Speaker 2>Sense, Spencer Anderson's a story man. Yeah, that's crazy mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>That is crazy. Yeah, it's standard Morgan leading the third

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<v Speaker 1>unit here.

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<v Speaker 2>So Mason Rudolph, we've definitely seen him at left guard

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<v Speaker 2>and left tackle today today, just today, in the last

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>We've seen him at right tackle. We've seen him at guard.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember center.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know if I've seen him. So maybe

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<v Speaker 1>that happened early in camp.

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<v Speaker 2>But as you mentioned the other day, they have a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of center possibilities or maybe they look at it

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<v Speaker 2>like boy ten things would have to happen for you

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<v Speaker 2>to play center, So why bother?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we want to see if he can do these

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<v Speaker 1>things first. And he did a nice job ceiling he

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<v Speaker 1>did there. Yeah, but no, it's a good point, like.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot lot of things would have to happen assuming

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<v Speaker 2>he's not even active on game day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean they've got four other guys that can

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<v Speaker 1>play center, right, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, you bumped Daniels in before him or whoever you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and so five actually I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Three of them in the starting lineup. And and then

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<v Speaker 1>then you have Herbig on the Herbig as well, right

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<v Speaker 1>and Kendrick Green, So that you go from having a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years ago no centers, you know, and which

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<v Speaker 1>is why really Kendrick Green ended up starting that.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, He got kind of thrust into action because.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody as got hurtly. Right. But but then now now

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<v Speaker 1>they've got an abundance of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they do the guys that can do it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so why kind of waste Anderson's reps? There you get

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<v Speaker 2>McFarland in motion.

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<v Speaker 1>There he goes over to the slot right left side

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<v Speaker 1>of Tanner Morgan nice jo up stepping up in the

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<v Speaker 1>pocket and he takes off running.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's not a bad athlete either.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, and another one of those quarterbacks with a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of college starting experience.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good point. We had that conversation after

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<v Speaker 2>the Hall of Fame game that a lot of these

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<v Speaker 2>dudes had played a lot out of college ball. Party

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<v Speaker 2>was one the u c l A kid that Dorian Thompson.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the transitions a little easier. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And to the NFL's credit, and this is a big

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<v Speaker 2>picture conversation, they've done a better job lately of stealing

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<v Speaker 2>college concepts and making that adjustment.

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<v Speaker 1>A little easier.

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<v Speaker 2>Like if you go pull it up like drafthistory dot

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<v Speaker 2>com and pull the quarterbacks. There's an unbelievable stretch there

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<v Speaker 2>of Winston, Marriota, Wentz, et cetera, et cetera, these all

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<v Speaker 2>these early picks that busted, and the NFL wasn't doing

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<v Speaker 2>a good job back then.

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<v Speaker 1>Job.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, Jean Butler's gonna be tough to cut too.

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<v Speaker 1>He is, he really is. He went up over thirty there,

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<v Speaker 1>which is Chris Wilcox. He's a six foot two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and ninety a small cornerback right, and Butler just went

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<v Speaker 1>up over top of him. Not a bad throw either

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<v Speaker 1>by Morgan there. Now, it wasn't to put it where

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<v Speaker 1>you only your guy can go get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't have him go low? Yeah, get the power forward

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<v Speaker 2>and throwing off the rim there for him, and.

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<v Speaker 1>That's about a fifteen yard out down to the to

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<v Speaker 1>his left.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Not you know, necessarily an easy throw for a quarterback.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the stuff that Butler did a ton in college.

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<v Speaker 2>And I really liked him coming out of school. I

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<v Speaker 2>was shocked and he went as late as he did.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's not a burner, you know. But if he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to block and be a middle of the field contributor,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's.

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<v Speaker 1>Want to you know, I want to see what he

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<v Speaker 1>can do on special teams. Yeah, that's a big I

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<v Speaker 1>see him maybe battling Miles Boykin for a roster spot.

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<v Speaker 2>That's gonna be a tough guy to beat out. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>especially on teams. Morgan's doing all right here, yeah's dealing.

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<v Speaker 1>Getting it to our our guy there. Number eighty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Rodney Williams.

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<v Speaker 2>He's another one that's I kind of threw away. I'm like, boy,

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<v Speaker 2>they got four really good tight end Ye, he's got

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<v Speaker 2>no chance. Well, every practice his name comes up. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's how you stick around. He runs pretty well too,

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<v Speaker 2>he does. He's a willing blocker, he runs pretty well.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that's an interesting that.

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<v Speaker 1>Like if they only had three tight ends right now,

0:28:02.960 --> 0:28:04.040
<v Speaker 1>you'd be looking at that guy.

0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:05.960
<v Speaker 2>Going okay, yeah, maybe right right, what can.

0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:07.320
<v Speaker 1>He bring to the equation here?

0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:10.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean their tight end rooms interesting even without

0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:13.399
<v Speaker 2>him because Firemouth really should never leave the field unless

0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:15.800
<v Speaker 2>he's gassed or whatever. And then you got the two

0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:20.119
<v Speaker 2>giants in Gentry and Washington. One thing, Gentry's caught the

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<v Speaker 2>ball well in this can Yes, yes, he absolutely, yes,

0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:23.320
<v Speaker 2>he's been.

0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:25.879
<v Speaker 1>A target and uh, you know that that's something that

0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:28.399
<v Speaker 1>you always well, he's a blocker and he you know,

0:28:28.440 --> 0:28:31.040
<v Speaker 1>but I've seen him make some some contested catches and

0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:33.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot of stuff in the end zone too. Yeah,

0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:37.600
<v Speaker 1>good point shots, like he's gotten better at being big.

0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:40.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, using using the gifts he has.

0:28:40.240 --> 0:28:40.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:43.360
<v Speaker 2>So like when they drafted Washington, I said it's a

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<v Speaker 2>matter of time until he just displaces Gentry, and maybe

0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:50.400
<v Speaker 2>that's true. But Gentry, like Dan Moore, is not going

0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:53.040
<v Speaker 2>to go away easy, and there's no rule against using

0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:55.720
<v Speaker 2>them both together. That's what I mean. That's bringing in

0:28:55.760 --> 0:28:58.760
<v Speaker 2>a lot of size deposition that I mean you're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about there's a chance that there will be two of

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<v Speaker 2>the better blocking tight ends in the league.

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<v Speaker 1>Well over thirteen feet of tight end there right right about. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, five fifty yeah, five hundred and sixty,

0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:11.760
<v Speaker 1>five hundred and seventy paws right.

0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:14.400
<v Speaker 2>End, yeah, and then length and and.

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<v Speaker 1>Get down the field and catch the football.

0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:21.040
<v Speaker 2>And we go Firemouth next to Washington. Now, yeah, that's it.

0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:25.680
<v Speaker 2>That's gonna be a nice rice. Uh usage of these

0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:27.680
<v Speaker 2>tight ends. Keep them all in there, keep them all fresh.

0:29:27.720 --> 0:29:29.720
<v Speaker 2>You kind of like pitched it to that side, the

0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:33.080
<v Speaker 2>strong side. It's a really strong side. And yeah, Harris

0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:35.520
<v Speaker 2>follows as those blockers and get some yard to jer

0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 2>Again hard to tell with without the pads.

0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:39.960
<v Speaker 1>On right, that would have been a game.

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<v Speaker 2>I was watching Washington and did a good good job

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<v Speaker 2>taking out of his guy, engulfing them smaller defender.

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<v Speaker 1>And we go right now, we're back in cheeks. The

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<v Speaker 1>core four goes off and they oh, they brought the

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<v Speaker 1>whole second team line in this time. But this time

0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:54.600
<v Speaker 1>they brought the second team line in and more is

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<v Speaker 1>out there and say, I think play right tackle. He's

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<v Speaker 1>at right tackle now. But they did it with the

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<v Speaker 1>second team line this time. Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Just doing a lot of little things. You never know

0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:07.479
<v Speaker 2>when you're gonna need it throughout the course of the season.

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<v Speaker 2>And recall that, remember those times I played right tackle

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<v Speaker 2>in La Trove.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's focus here on more right tackles. What this

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<v Speaker 1>looks like?

0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:21.960
<v Speaker 2>He and and Joe reasonably well, got a little help

0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:23.960
<v Speaker 2>from the right guard, but boom, wide open it.

0:30:24.760 --> 0:30:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, nice shot there. He's more of a classic right

0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:32.440
<v Speaker 1>tackle as it is more in terms of the run blocking.

0:30:32.320 --> 0:30:34.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would say he's a better run blocker than

0:30:34.120 --> 0:30:36.840
<v Speaker 2>he is, you know, light on his feet, dancing bear

0:30:36.960 --> 0:30:39.960
<v Speaker 2>left tackle type. But they drafted him. I thought he

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<v Speaker 2>was more of a right tackle guard and I still

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<v Speaker 2>think that. But he's the fact that he's playing the

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<v Speaker 2>right right, right, he's a starter until further notice.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right, he's now out of there. He took one

0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:55.760
<v Speaker 1>rep there and now they've they've got the Raven Clark

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<v Speaker 1>back in there. Now.

0:30:57.320 --> 0:30:59.680
<v Speaker 2>I bet he's taken less than twenty reps at right

0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:02.280
<v Speaker 2>tackle probably, but you start repping it just you know,

0:31:02.320 --> 0:31:05.520
<v Speaker 2>get him used to it, and hey, in case of emergency,

0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:07.480
<v Speaker 2>you don't know what's going to happen with that left

0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:08.120
<v Speaker 2>tackle battle.

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<v Speaker 1>And again I go back to you know, his rookie year,

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<v Speaker 1>he played about two days on the right side and

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<v Speaker 1>then you know the plan was to get him work

0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:20.720
<v Speaker 1>on both sides. Well, a little fumble there by Calvin

0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:22.880
<v Speaker 1>Austen and well he's able to get back on it.

0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:24.640
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, he's not gonna be happy with that.

0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:26.640
<v Speaker 2>No, no, you can't do that in these type of drills.

0:31:27.160 --> 0:31:29.080
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I forget what I was saying about that.

0:31:29.160 --> 0:31:32.480
<v Speaker 2>I doubt they're looking this far ahead. But Chukes is

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<v Speaker 2>a free agent after the year. I mean, you could

0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:37.360
<v Speaker 2>just well, Jones is a star at left tackle, but

0:31:37.400 --> 0:31:39.480
<v Speaker 2>we still have more under contract and a good deal.

0:31:40.160 --> 0:31:42.280
<v Speaker 2>Maybe use Chucks's money somewhere else if you think that

0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:45.800
<v Speaker 2>more can be a similar player at right tackle, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>or drafted on the third round after that. You know,

0:31:48.240 --> 0:31:49.960
<v Speaker 2>there's just how the league works.

0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:53.360
<v Speaker 1>It will be crazy for Chucks or Corps, for us

0:31:53.360 --> 0:31:55.040
<v Speaker 1>that he would be going on his third contract and

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<v Speaker 1>be twenty six years old.

0:31:56.200 --> 0:32:00.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which, maybe he's not a super star, but he's

0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:02.880
<v Speaker 2>going to be really attractive if he's on the open market.

0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:05.080
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of starts for a twenty six year

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<v Speaker 2>old at offensive tackle. Like, he's not going to be cheap.

0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:10.360
<v Speaker 1>No, no, not absolutely wasn't cheap this time, right, right, right,

0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:12.040
<v Speaker 1>there's the Jets sweep action to.

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<v Speaker 2>H Yeah, that one looks pretty legit, like a long

0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:16.720
<v Speaker 2>game that would happen with pads or not.

0:32:17.120 --> 0:32:19.840
<v Speaker 1>And that's the thing about that, that Jets sweep action.

0:32:20.840 --> 0:32:22.560
<v Speaker 1>You may only hand it to that guy once or

0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:24.920
<v Speaker 1>twice a game, but put your repid, rep it and repid,

0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:26.600
<v Speaker 1>and you get the defense sleeping a little bit and

0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:28.520
<v Speaker 1>then all of a sudden, boom there goes for you know,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five yards.

0:32:29.560 --> 0:32:32.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And to be frank, I thought they used it

0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:35.120
<v Speaker 2>far too much last year and what was looking like

0:32:35.160 --> 0:32:37.720
<v Speaker 2>a condensed offense where now.

0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:39.320
<v Speaker 1>Or early in the season when they were trying to

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<v Speaker 1>trying to find a running game of.

0:32:40.960 --> 0:32:43.760
<v Speaker 2>Some type, yeah, trying to get yardage anyway they could.

0:32:44.560 --> 0:32:47.760
<v Speaker 2>And now you're actually surprised when they get the ball, right,

0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:50.680
<v Speaker 2>you know. So it's a different feel for the defense.

0:32:50.760 --> 0:32:53.360
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. I mean, Tyreek Hill runs jet sweep action all

0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:55.720
<v Speaker 1>the time, sure, sure, you know, and nobody complains about that.

0:32:56.400 --> 0:32:59.160
<v Speaker 1>Why are they running Tyreek Hill on jet sweep action again? Right?

0:32:59.200 --> 0:33:01.200
<v Speaker 1>Because he gets the ball like three times a year

0:33:01.200 --> 0:33:02.440
<v Speaker 1>and in that situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it does other things in the process. You

0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:08.560
<v Speaker 2>freeze that end. Absolutely. He is Matt Williamson. I am

0:33:08.640 --> 0:33:09.120
<v Speaker 2>Dale Lallie.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio

0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:14.480
<v Speaker 1>and ESPN nine to seventy are live ongoing coverage from

0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:17.520
<v Speaker 1>Steelers training camp here at Saint Vincent College. The brain

0:33:17.600 --> 0:33:22.360
<v Speaker 1>continuing to hold off. Here's the Steelers practice and they

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<v Speaker 1>are off tomorrow, so we'll see, hopefully they get this

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<v Speaker 1>one in and then they're they're off. They come back

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<v Speaker 1>Tuesday Wednesday, leave for Tampa on Thursday after their morning

0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:33.760
<v Speaker 1>walk through which is closed to the public, and then

0:33:33.800 --> 0:33:36.239
<v Speaker 1>they're back here again after that game on Friday. They

0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:38.320
<v Speaker 1>don't come back until Sunday to practice again.

0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:40.560
<v Speaker 2>So so you get a little spotty here in the

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<v Speaker 2>next Yeah, I would say correct me if I'm wrong

0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:45.600
<v Speaker 2>for our listeners. But we will be Tuesday Wednesday, will

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<v Speaker 2>have a three hour drive, yes, and then there will

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<v Speaker 2>be a gap there again, then.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a gap and then we're back Sunday. So now,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're gonna take a break now again, He's Matt Williamson,

0:33:54.040 --> 0:33:56.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm Dale Lalli. We'll be back with more right after this,

0:33:57.040 --> 0:34:00.240
<v Speaker 1>which the offensive guys and more the linebacker type in

0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:00.560
<v Speaker 1>the middle.

0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:02.840
<v Speaker 2>It looks like Darnell Washington's one of the only white

0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:04.880
<v Speaker 2>ones in the middle, you know, and he's a huge person.

0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:06.600
<v Speaker 1>I'll be interested to see how any more speed on

0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:07.040
<v Speaker 1>the outside.

0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:09.200
<v Speaker 2>Ye be interested to see how he does in this,

0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:12.920
<v Speaker 2>because if you're not the starting tight end, it's hard

0:34:12.920 --> 0:34:14.640
<v Speaker 2>to dress young game day right, better be able to

0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:17.320
<v Speaker 2>play some teams. I mean, he'd be on field goal protection,

0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:18.759
<v Speaker 2>but that's not hard to find, you know.

0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:22.239
<v Speaker 1>I know they've used Gentry on kickoff. You know, you

0:34:22.280 --> 0:34:24.200
<v Speaker 1>know in the past that last year they used Gentry

0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:26.600
<v Speaker 1>and Hayward were both out there on kick return.

0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:28.200
<v Speaker 2>I should say I would they probably on return.

0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:32.359
<v Speaker 1>But Darnell Washington is fast enough that you just wonder

0:34:32.560 --> 0:34:34.440
<v Speaker 1>if he can do a few more things. Although you know,

0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:35.440
<v Speaker 1>the height doesn't lend it.

0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:37.640
<v Speaker 2>He's actually up right now, Yeah, let's let's watch this.

0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:40.560
<v Speaker 2>I would be more worried about him breaking down in space.

0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:43.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah all right, not what he's built to do or

0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:46.680
<v Speaker 2>asked to do. Probably never done it before in his life,

0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:49.600
<v Speaker 2>I would imagine, right, Yeah, I'm sure he was highly

0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:52.120
<v Speaker 2>recruited and ended up in Georgia. He probably didn't play

0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:53.080
<v Speaker 2>a lot of teams in high school.

0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:56.600
<v Speaker 1>See how he does here, all right, and they get

0:34:56.600 --> 0:34:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Anthony McFarland as well, which is not an easy m hmm.

0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:01.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, he had a little bit easier assignment because McFarlane

0:35:01.920 --> 0:35:04.160
<v Speaker 2>went up the middle str right, so he didn't have

0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:06.680
<v Speaker 2>to change direction as much. Kind of went right at Washington.

0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:09.480
<v Speaker 2>So I didn't learn a ton from that one, but.

0:35:10.840 --> 0:35:16.920
<v Speaker 1>We did not. We've got our little chefski there. Yeah, man,

0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:20.040
<v Speaker 1>I just you know, looking at this Steelers roster and

0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:24.839
<v Speaker 1>and uh, we've seen a little bit of kwant Alexander

0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:28.520
<v Speaker 1>today with the ones. Yeah yeah, yeah out there with

0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Cole Holcombe, and that might end up being their best combination.

0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:36.520
<v Speaker 2>I could see it in terms of range, potential, coverage skills.

0:35:37.520 --> 0:35:40.000
<v Speaker 2>I think he's gonna push for a starting job or

0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:44.200
<v Speaker 2>for the second most second level snaps. Yeah.

0:35:44.239 --> 0:35:48.879
<v Speaker 1>That h with that signing. Uh last week, that room

0:35:49.000 --> 0:35:50.400
<v Speaker 1>was shot in the arm a little bit. Yeah, that

0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:52.560
<v Speaker 1>room went from being thin to all of a sudden.

0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:54.680
<v Speaker 1>I look at and go, okay, I guess they get

0:35:54.680 --> 0:35:56.680
<v Speaker 1>some options there, and they've got some guys there. If

0:35:56.680 --> 0:35:59.440
<v Speaker 1>something were to happen, for example, you know, one of

0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:02.400
<v Speaker 1>the things that was a concern for me was Okay,

0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:05.120
<v Speaker 1>what happens if Cole Holcomb gets hurt? Oh right, well,

0:36:05.160 --> 0:36:07.520
<v Speaker 1>now you've now you've got you know, another option there

0:36:07.560 --> 0:36:10.160
<v Speaker 1>that a guy who has done it before and done

0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:12.280
<v Speaker 1>the same things that they're going to ask Cole Hulkan

0:36:12.320 --> 0:36:12.520
<v Speaker 1>to do.

0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:14.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good point. He's been around the block.

0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:16.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if he's worn the green dot or not,

0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:19.520
<v Speaker 2>but he's certainly been on the field in all situations

0:36:19.560 --> 0:36:21.759
<v Speaker 2>I would think, so I'm assuming he has, you know,

0:36:23.160 --> 0:36:26.759
<v Speaker 2>but no, all of a sudden, it's like that room

0:36:26.800 --> 0:36:28.719
<v Speaker 2>was a little frightening. It was a little slower than

0:36:28.760 --> 0:36:31.759
<v Speaker 2>you would have liked. And now there's a lot more

0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:34.600
<v Speaker 2>puzzle pieces that don't look the same, you know what

0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:36.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean. And see how that puzzle comes together when

0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:38.760
<v Speaker 2>it's all said and done. Oh, this is that rapid

0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:41.600
<v Speaker 2>fire punt block drill. Yeah, this is it's hard to

0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:42.040
<v Speaker 2>keep up.

0:36:42.000 --> 0:36:46.120
<v Speaker 1>With guys flying in there and just just getting you know,

0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:50.840
<v Speaker 1>the the backup kickers or backup punter. She just holds

0:36:50.840 --> 0:36:52.440
<v Speaker 1>the ball out there and the guys coming he's on

0:36:52.480 --> 0:36:54.040
<v Speaker 1>a knee and smack it out of his hands.

0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:56.879
<v Speaker 2>Right, he's got a huge bag of balls there and

0:36:57.480 --> 0:36:59.520
<v Speaker 2>Presley Harvin just gathers them up, puts them in the

0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:01.879
<v Speaker 2>back of the back to keep the keep the drill going.

0:37:01.960 --> 0:37:04.200
<v Speaker 2>But this thing, they go through a lot of punt

0:37:04.200 --> 0:37:06.040
<v Speaker 2>blockers here from all angles.

0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 1>When you start looking at the at this roster, Matt

0:37:10.760 --> 0:37:15.480
<v Speaker 1>is eight linebackers enough hm hmm, four and the four outside,

0:37:15.520 --> 0:37:16.600
<v Speaker 1>four inside.

0:37:17.000 --> 0:37:21.120
<v Speaker 2>It's questionable. It's questionable. I mean, I'm real comfortable with

0:37:21.160 --> 0:37:24.200
<v Speaker 2>those four outside guys. And don't think you need a fifth. Yeah,

0:37:26.600 --> 0:37:31.040
<v Speaker 2>maybe five interior though, five off the ball guys. And again,

0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:32.320
<v Speaker 2>but we just had this conversation.

0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:34.959
<v Speaker 1>Fifth guy better be good on teams, you better, Tanner

0:37:35.040 --> 0:37:38.439
<v Speaker 1>muse is that Nick Kwaikowski Chapel Russell's done some things.

0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:41.200
<v Speaker 2>He has done some things. He screams practice squad to

0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:42.640
<v Speaker 2>me though, yeah he really does.

0:37:42.719 --> 0:37:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Whereas a guy compliment, Yeah, can a guy like you know,

0:37:45.520 --> 0:37:48.440
<v Speaker 1>can Kwaikowski still be a dude on special teams? That's

0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:50.359
<v Speaker 1>kind of what he's cut his teeth on. Yes, over

0:37:50.400 --> 0:37:52.879
<v Speaker 1>the course of his career, as has muss Mus. You've

0:37:52.880 --> 0:37:57.399
<v Speaker 1>got two guys there who've been special teams dudes over

0:37:57.400 --> 0:37:58.360
<v Speaker 1>the course of their career.

0:37:59.239 --> 0:38:01.320
<v Speaker 2>They can play on the defense, but it's not ideal.

0:38:01.440 --> 0:38:03.920
<v Speaker 1>That was the beauty of the kwant Alexander signing is

0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:06.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, prior to that those one of them, I

0:38:06.880 --> 0:38:10.080
<v Speaker 1>believe it was mus was listed second team.

0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:12.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's not exactly what you want right right,

0:38:12.800 --> 0:38:17.080
<v Speaker 2>especially with where's Mark Robinson and his development. You'd love

0:38:17.120 --> 0:38:19.399
<v Speaker 2>to keep five of those, But we opened the show

0:38:19.400 --> 0:38:22.040
<v Speaker 2>talking about the D line depth chart. You'd love to

0:38:22.120 --> 0:38:25.879
<v Speaker 2>keep seven of those. Yeah, it's both possible. I bet

0:38:25.960 --> 0:38:31.799
<v Speaker 2>not four outside linebackers. It seems like a done deal though. Yeah, yeah,

0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:32.520
<v Speaker 2>it seems like it.

0:38:33.040 --> 0:38:36.359
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I think we've seen a little bit

0:38:37.360 --> 0:38:40.040
<v Speaker 1>of them using Nick Herbig and some coverage tip type

0:38:40.040 --> 0:38:42.960
<v Speaker 1>of situations. You know, I wonder if that gains more

0:38:43.000 --> 0:38:46.360
<v Speaker 1>steam as you know, we get into the later stages

0:38:46.360 --> 0:38:47.120
<v Speaker 1>of training campaign.

0:38:47.160 --> 0:38:50.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, let's see you go line up inside linebacker

0:38:50.120 --> 0:38:51.560
<v Speaker 2>a little bit. I mean, we know you can rush

0:38:51.600 --> 0:38:54.279
<v Speaker 2>the passers. Yeah, yeah, maybe that does happen, and you know,

0:38:54.320 --> 0:38:57.640
<v Speaker 2>let's get the foundation down as an edge dude. I mean,

0:38:57.680 --> 0:38:59.359
<v Speaker 2>it would make it a lot easier to cut that

0:38:59.400 --> 0:39:02.600
<v Speaker 2>fifth inside linebacker if you had some reps of him

0:39:02.600 --> 0:39:03.480
<v Speaker 2>doing it, you know.

0:39:03.719 --> 0:39:06.040
<v Speaker 1>So there is maybe you can keep an extra safety

0:39:06.080 --> 0:39:09.399
<v Speaker 1>as well, or an extra whatever, you know, cornerback or

0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:10.120
<v Speaker 1>whatever it may be.

0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Maybe even no lineman. I mean, do you really want

0:39:11.960 --> 0:39:14.040
<v Speaker 2>to cut Spencer Anderson or you know what I mean? Right,

0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:16.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean, those guys aren't as active on game day,

0:39:16.560 --> 0:39:18.200
<v Speaker 2>but it's never a bad thing to have a bunch

0:39:18.200 --> 0:39:19.160
<v Speaker 2>of linemen that can play.

0:39:19.280 --> 0:39:21.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and well, I mean that's something you know, the.

0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:23.680
<v Speaker 2>You're probably going to keep four tight ends this year.

0:39:23.680 --> 0:39:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Most years they kept three, right, you.

0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:28.799
<v Speaker 1>Know, but he also always kept a full back.

0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:31.279
<v Speaker 2>Hayward is anything it's the same, yeah, Hayward? Is that so?

0:39:33.080 --> 0:39:35.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's an interesting you want to call it interesting

0:39:35.160 --> 0:39:37.880
<v Speaker 1>roster construction this year for the Steelers in terms of, yeah,

0:39:37.920 --> 0:39:39.400
<v Speaker 1>how these pieces all fit together?

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<v Speaker 2>And two notes, And we should never forget that we

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<v Speaker 2>can't predict the future because we may laugh a week

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<v Speaker 2>from now sitting here in the booth, going, we didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know if Herberg would play off the ball linebacker. Now

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<v Speaker 2>he's the best guy, you know, Like this thing's changed drastically,

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<v Speaker 2>and unfortunately people are gonna get hurt, you know, Like

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<v Speaker 2>we're looking at all these options, two or three of

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<v Speaker 2>them aren't going to be available for opening day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they've been very fortunate to this point. The only

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<v Speaker 1>serious injury that they've had was to Corey Trice.

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<v Speaker 2>And and that's unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 1>That may have answered high questions, Yeah, in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>the roster construction, because you know, I think a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people looked at Trice as well. He was a

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<v Speaker 1>seventh rounder, but a lot of people had higher grades

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<v Speaker 1>on him, and yeah, and they were just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>discounting James Pierre. Well, James Pierre is making this team now. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought he was going to.

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<v Speaker 2>All along based on special teams out you know, but

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<v Speaker 2>now you look at that at that cornerback position, you

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<v Speaker 2>got Levi Wallace, you get Patrick Peterson, Joey Porter making it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, James Pierre.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Pierre is making it. I think those are

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<v Speaker 2>your four potential outside and there's okay, who's.

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<v Speaker 1>You know there there's room for maybe another guy there.

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<v Speaker 2>I say that spot, maybe you could find a sixth guy, depending.

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<v Speaker 1>On you know, if it's if it's you know, how

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<v Speaker 1>many Nichols do they keep.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Sullivan has a very good chance to make team. Yeah, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so that would be I don't know how good he

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<v Speaker 2>is on team.

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<v Speaker 1>Though, I don't know how good he can.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean, he's listened at five to.

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<v Speaker 1>Eleven, one eighty nine. I don't know how much he's

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<v Speaker 1>played outside in his career.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, if he could do that, I don't see him

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<v Speaker 2>that way. I'm sure he could. Yeah, but you have

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<v Speaker 2>four of the can yeah, you know, so, I think

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<v Speaker 2>Sullivan makes a team. But a sixth corner if it

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<v Speaker 2>would have been Trice, would have been nice, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>is nice? Yeah, rhyme?

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<v Speaker 1>So is that the least deep position on the team.

0:41:27.719 --> 0:41:29.319
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I like their I like the top four

0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:33.839
<v Speaker 1>guys are all yeah NFL dudes, you know, stagger their

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<v Speaker 1>ages and expenses and things like that. And I like

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that you know, they got a guy in

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<v Speaker 1>Sullivan who's played a lot of snaps in the NFL,

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<v Speaker 1>and even a guy like Duke Dawson has played a

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<v Speaker 1>decent number of snaps slot.

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<v Speaker 2>Cornerback Norwood and you get guys like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Some different stuff there, And.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Peterson's role is gonna be different in Black

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<v Speaker 2>and Gold than it is in other stops.

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<v Speaker 1>But in terms of the pure outside guys.

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<v Speaker 2>One war might not be terrible. Yeah, I mean it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, one injury away from need one, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>who's probably the best of the the other guys there.

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<v Speaker 2>You got Chris Wilcox we talked about earlier there, Luke Barkhu,

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<v Speaker 2>he's done some kinds of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>You got Maudri Harper, Isaiah Dunn.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe the thought is, assuming you stay healthy through the

0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:26.040
<v Speaker 2>preseason with those top four outside guys, which why would

0:42:26.040 --> 0:42:28.399
<v Speaker 2>I assume that? But I mean because if you lose one,

0:42:28.480 --> 0:42:29.279
<v Speaker 2>you might have to go shop.

0:42:29.360 --> 0:42:31.799
<v Speaker 1>Now you're real thin. Yeah, But the.

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<v Speaker 2>More I think through it, maybe you keep five corners

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<v Speaker 2>and keep the extra d lineman or extra inside linebacker

0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:42.359
<v Speaker 2>that we were talking about, assuming that the linebacker can

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<v Speaker 2>help on teams. But maybe you load your practice squad

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<v Speaker 2>with corners. Maybe you have yea, I should know this,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't know usually how many corners they keep

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<v Speaker 2>on their practice squad, But I would.

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<v Speaker 1>Considers a couple, Yeah, a couple, right. You know you're again,

0:42:56.520 --> 0:43:00.160
<v Speaker 1>if you've only got five on your active rosters, we

0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:02.200
<v Speaker 1>need more than at the practice would mind three or four?

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<v Speaker 2>Yea, even on the on there to develop and that

0:43:05.040 --> 0:43:06.439
<v Speaker 2>position is always hard to find too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely so interesting. It's gonna be as we watch

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<v Speaker 1>this roster build. And that's why these these games, these

0:43:13.760 --> 0:43:15.120
<v Speaker 1>upcoming games are so important.

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<v Speaker 2>I say, I'm starting to get excited for the Bucks game,

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<v Speaker 2>just to see the Barkus of the world. Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>who do you say, boy, I don't want to get

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<v Speaker 2>rid of that guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Or you know, I mean, there's there's guys there that

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I think we've seen Trenton Thompson outside a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit too. Even though he's listed as a safety,

0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:32.000
<v Speaker 1>he's more of a defensive back. He could play either either.

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<v Speaker 2>Or Those lines get blurry this time in the modern

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<v Speaker 2>day NFL too.

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