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Speaker 1: Welcome to the drive. I'm Dale Lulli. He is Matt Williamson,

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Speaker 1: and we are live from Steelers training camp here at

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Speaker 1: Saint Vincent College. And Matt, that was an interesting little yeah,

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Speaker 1: I like finishing touch there to the drill the Steelers

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Speaker 1: going through there. Now, they had had three receivers going

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Speaker 1: out in patterns and you saw a lot of crossing

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Speaker 1: stuff and right right, some kind of rubs if you're

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Speaker 1: on offense, picks, if you're on defense, right, you would

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Speaker 1: call that the final rep. They put Kawant Alexander out

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Speaker 1: there one on one against Washington, Big Darnell Washington, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and Quant Alexander gave him a rough time getting off

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Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage first of all, and then defended

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Speaker 1: the pass down field. Really nice job there.

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Speaker 2: So a couple of notes from that is, like you said,

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Speaker 2: the majority of the drill was a three on three

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Speaker 2: passing drill. But in the middle of the field, right,

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Speaker 2: it was a back, it was a tight end, it

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Speaker 2: was a slot, it wasn't outside receivers. And they were

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Speaker 2: all working, as you mentioned, against man coverage on purpose.

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Speaker 2: So the defense was at a huge disadvantage. They knew

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Speaker 2: they were getting rubbed and picked and all that stuff

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Speaker 2: for middle of the field routes, crossers and things of

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Speaker 2: that nature, which is what we've been harping on exactly right, right,

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Speaker 2: how many times we told you they need to do

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Speaker 2: more of that. They know that, that's why they're doing it,

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Speaker 2: you know. And then they finished it with one on

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Speaker 2: one stuff, but not outside receivers. And Alan Robinson and

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Speaker 2: Deontay aren't dressed or aren't participating today, Not that that matters.

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Speaker 2: I think that they were trying to work on what

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Speaker 2: they need to work on middle of the field stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Steelers in shells today, so not in full pads,

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Speaker 1: working on some eleven and eleven here inside run stuff.

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Speaker 1: But again, when you get to this situation and guys

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Speaker 1: aren't in pads, it's a little different, right, They're working

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Speaker 1: on run fits and no Isaac sam Malo out there today.

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Speaker 1: Nate Herbig is in there in place of him. I

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Speaker 1: know West Shulder in the previous segments said that Joebi

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Speaker 1: wasn't out there. He is out there, Yeah, I saw

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Speaker 1: I saw him in seven shots. He's out there now

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Speaker 1: again in this one. But Malie Golden out there in

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Speaker 1: place of t J. Watt, Joey Porter Junior not practicing today.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't look like they're having Patrick Peterson practice either today.

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Speaker 2: Hayward and water Citty.

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Speaker 1: You get James Pierre getting a shot here with the

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Speaker 1: first team defense. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, Mika Fitzpatrick is out there.

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Speaker 2: I know, good stuff. So we had two very physical

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Speaker 2: days back to back, a night practice and then followed

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Speaker 2: up with sort of a short rest practice where they

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Speaker 2: went acted pretty hard. Now you get this one to

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Speaker 2: kind of fine tune things, give some guys a break

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Speaker 2: and then or true break tomorrow, you know, to a

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Speaker 2: whole twenty four hours off taking.

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Speaker 1: Care of guys bodies. Yeah, it is a long season.

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Speaker 1: I know when you know when when when Craig Wolflee

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Speaker 1: or you know, some of the older guys coming back.

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Speaker 1: In our day, we did two a day's every day. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You also, for a large portion, for those guys in.

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Speaker 2: The seventies only played fourteen games even so, oh, I

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Speaker 2: mean those guys also didn't come to camp in the

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Speaker 2: same condition that these guys.

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Speaker 1: That's the other thing.

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Speaker 2: It's a huge part of it, and really the biggest

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Speaker 1: It is there were no such thing as OTAs.

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Speaker 2: That and sports science is way smarter now than that, right,

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Speaker 2: you know. I mean there's a reason for this stuff

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what always gets me, Like, I know, you know,

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Speaker 1: I hear complaints from people at the youth level. You know,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna start practicing here August first to get ready

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Speaker 1: for those youth football games in September. I'm like, more

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Speaker 1: like at this point, that's a nice yeah, nice nice

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Speaker 2: Nice deep ball on the outside.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, really pushed that in the ball, Yeah, just drove

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Speaker 2: Too, absolutely, And George used his body really well there

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Speaker 1: Throwing him open too. It was, it was exactly, And

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Speaker 1: necessarily see that as it develops, exactly because he threw

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Speaker 2: And get it right. Just trust the quarterback to take

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Speaker 2: me to where I need to be exactly. And I

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Speaker 2: didn't know who to praise more on that one, Picket

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Speaker 2: which made it an uncoverable route right right, kind of

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Speaker 2: like one of those Aaron Rodgers back shoulder fades that

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Speaker 2: Jordy Nelson backs. Then you can do what you can

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Speaker 2: do about it. You know, nothing you can do. There's

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Speaker 2: it's smart and you can really see development from those

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Speaker 2: two second year pass catcher and throwers as well. They

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Speaker 2: look like they're veterans at this point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Mitch Trubisky in there now with the second unit,

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Speaker 1: and I see a lot of that offensive line in there,

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Speaker 1: the Raven Clark in there. Uh, you got Kendrick Green

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Speaker 1: herbig was in with the the first unit. Uh, it

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Speaker 1: looks like Spencer Anderson's at guard.

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Speaker 1: me see here, Yeah that is him. So yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: played all along that line. Now we've seen him at tackle.

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Speaker 1: We've seen him at both tackle positions this week. Now

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Speaker 1: today he's at guard. That's really tough to do.

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Speaker 2: He's a bit of a story.

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Speaker 2: I mean a lot of these seventh round guys get forgotten.

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Speaker 2: But he's doing everything and it seems like he's showing

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Speaker 2: So obviously see something different every day every day.

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Speaker 2: Pick, exactly. I mean I think of a guy like

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Speaker 2: there's been a couple in history that just our true

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Speaker 1: So you can take you're gonna make a lot of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially as an offensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: But he must you're never a starter if you're going

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Speaker 1: to be valued for ten plus years. Yep.

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Speaker 2: He must be passing all the tests mentally too, knowing

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Speaker 1: If he's gonna blow the assignment every time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So he's making a strong push to make that

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. That's impressive.

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Speaker 2: It is. It's impressive. So what we got going here?

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Speaker 2: We got double tights to the left with Hayward and

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Speaker 2: He's so tall, he's a giant. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: How about sixty eight polling around the edge here. That

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, one hundredercent schemed up. It kept seven in

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Speaker 2: Big William Duncle pulling out from a guard spot to

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Speaker 2: on that one, that was interesting. He makes he's making

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, it's interesting. Uh looking here at the

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Speaker 1: I see David parrellis out there at one outside linebacker

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of beef. And we got the four

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Speaker 2: mean that's a big theme for today.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't got many reps for Tanner Morgan, but he

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good point, good point. So do you think Morgan

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Speaker 1: Opener, the opener?

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're prepping him for something here.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting. I'll be very interested when Mike

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Speaker 1: Tomlin has his, uh his press conference later this week.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure he's not going to give us

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Speaker 1: the exact rundown on how the quarterbacks will be used. Sure,

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Speaker 1: you know in terms of all the Kenny's going to

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Speaker 1: so forth. That's a nice throw.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Butler over the middle, Yeah, he's the middle of

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Speaker 2: the field option for sure.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, he's a big dude right in there.

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Speaker 2: Yea the tight window too.

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Speaker 1: But you know, just if he if he has any

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Speaker 2: And I wonder how much Kenny plays.

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Speaker 1: You would think, well, I'm sure he'll play some, but

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Speaker 1: you would think he almost You want to play him

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Speaker 1: the with the backups.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, for.

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Speaker 1: Sure, So do you do you because of that?

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Speaker 2: Do you say?

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Speaker 1: You know what, Kenny, You're not going to play a

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Speaker 2: I was thinking he might not play hardly at all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm thinking this week he might not play

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Speaker 1: the starters only play a series this week on offense

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Speaker 2: Or maybe resting day, well for Robinson's resting the day too.

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Speaker 1: You know, Cam Heyward, Larry Ogan, Joby, you're two starting ends.

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Speaker 2: Those two are probably fighting directly.

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Speaker 1: Well, that you with that expanded practice squad and the

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Speaker 2: I bet it's Entry, right, Yeah, because I mean he

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Speaker 2: And I would think too, if that disaster happened, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah no, but you could do some shorter stuff,

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Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, Preshley Harvim boomed that one. Yeah, beautiful spiral,

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Speaker 1: But I don't think they want to put too much

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Speaker 2: it's I mean, he could do that too on game

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Speaker 1: The more the more I've watched Hayward in this camp

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Speaker 2: That's what they wanted out of Samuels.

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Speaker 2: I mean, a lot of these guys, oh jack of

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Speaker 1: But what we saw all Yeah, the thing about Hayward

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Speaker 1: Whereas with Hayward, I mean, Samuels had been a running

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Speaker 1: I know everybody'll talk about why he had that one

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Speaker 2: and after the catch or as a runner. So he

437
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Speaker 2: pulled up his numbers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't remember, seven to two, Yeah, one, six,

439
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Speaker 1: three ten yard split thirty two and a half inch vertical.

440
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Speaker 1: So nothing there is gonna like ooh jomp off.

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Speaker 2: What was his weight?

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Speaker 1: Uh? They listened to two thirty three five eleven two

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Speaker 1: thirty three.

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Speaker 2: You think he's about that still, right, I mean that's

445
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Speaker 2: probably about his neighborhood, h right. But certainly an unconventional

446
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Speaker 2: tight end. But he's more than a tight end.

447
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Speaker 1: You know. He doesn't look like a four to seven

448
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Speaker 1: two guy though when he's running.

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Speaker 2: Down the field. No, he doesn't, No, he absolutely does not.

450
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Speaker 2: And a lot of the stuff he does are not

451
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Speaker 2: straight line routes, I mean does don't. They're not running

452
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Speaker 2: seltyard routes right right. There's a little juke to him,

453
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Speaker 2: you know, he shoulder fakes things like that. And no,

454
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Speaker 2: I'm a big fan, and I don't think the Kendrick

455
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Speaker 2: Green stuff experiment is a reflection poorly on Hayward.

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Speaker 1: I think it's just in addition to Yeah, I just

457
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Speaker 1: think they want, you know, perhaps a bigger body in there.

458
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Speaker 1: And again they've done a lot of that six offensive

459
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Speaker 1: lineman stuff before. This is just a different way to

460
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Speaker 1: do it.

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Speaker 2: This is more of a Patrick orccard move. Yeah, you

462
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Speaker 2: know then it is the sixth offensive lineman on the

463
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Speaker 2: line of scrimmage. I mean usually almost always when you

464
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Speaker 2: play with that jumbo six line set, it's a tackle,

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Speaker 2: you know, because he lines up outside the tackle. You're

466
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Speaker 2: not gonna put a center outside. You know, you're tackled

467
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Speaker 2: for a protection help. I mean that's you're asking him

468
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Speaker 2: to do something he's not good at at all. I'm

469
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Speaker 2: not saying it won't happen ever when greened on the field,

470
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Speaker 2: but he's gonna be moved around like Ric Hard.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, we're gonna get to break there. Steelers are

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Speaker 1: practicing some special team stuff right now here at Saint

473
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Speaker 1: Vincent College. The rain is holding off, which for now

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Speaker 1: I appreciate a little dubious. Yeah. He is Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here

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Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN nine seventy. We'll be

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Speaker 1: back with more right after this. Welcome back on Dale LOLLI.

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Speaker 1: He is Matt Williamson, and this is the Drive on

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Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN nine seventy. We are live

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Speaker 1: from Steelers training camp practice here on the campus of

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Speaker 1: Saint Vincent College. And that was interesting little play there.

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Speaker 1: This was some eleven on eleven there, and they had

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Speaker 1: Nausey Harris.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 1: He started in the slot, started in motion like he

486
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Speaker 1: was going to motion into the backfield like we've seen

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Speaker 1: a lot of you get pretty used to that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, then they put another wrinkle on it, and

489
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Speaker 2: then all of a sudden.

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Speaker 1: He just boom turned and and you know, ran back

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Speaker 1: out to the to the slot and caught a pass. There.

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Speaker 1: Hadn't seen that a whole lot thus.

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Speaker 2: Far, especially from Nausey. Yeah, I mean it from some

494
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Speaker 2: of the other guys, but yeah, yeah, I thought the

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Speaker 2: exact same thing. I was like, ooh, I haven't seen

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Speaker 2: this motion yet from him, and he looks a little

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Speaker 2: different doing it. And so not only well these guys

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Speaker 2: just everyone's watched football knows. You go from the slot

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Speaker 2: or outside and sometimes you kind of jog into the

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Speaker 2: you know, the and then you see who follows. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: well his was more of an aggressive you know, I mean,

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Speaker 2: like pounding.

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Speaker 1: The Maybe they could hand it off to him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, snapped the football and then he flipped around and

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Speaker 2: changed direction as well, got outside, caught one in the

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Speaker 2: flat and you know, picked up a few yards. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but this motion stuff's great. I mean they're doing a

508
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Speaker 2: lot of it, and you got to remember this is

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Speaker 2: only ten days in the camp or something like that.

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Speaker 2: So some of the stuff that you and I have

511
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Speaker 2: getting accustomed to is what the defenses will get accustomed to.

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Speaker 2: And then they'll add a wrinkle on the wrinkle you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean that looked like a wrinkle. Yeah, exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: We now have Broderick Jones at left tackle and Dan

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Speaker 1: Moore Junior at right tackle. Well, now they've already switched

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Speaker 1: that out, so it was just a yeah, yeah, now

517
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Speaker 1: it's l Raven Clark in there, and we got Trubisky

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Speaker 1: into so second the second unit is out there, second

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Speaker 1: unit switch.

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Speaker 2: Well we're having that nausey, naugy conversation. So it's yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's basically what they've done is just wrapped maybe a

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Speaker 2: player to Broderick Jones with the Ones and Dan Moore

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Speaker 2: Junior on the right side. It's large than Yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: largely been Dan Moore on the left at left tackle

525
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Speaker 2: and Chooks a corps for at right tackle with the Ones,

526
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Speaker 2: as you'd expect, right, I mean, that's that's where Jones

527
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Speaker 2: is right now, and his development not that that's bad.

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Speaker 2: I heard Wes and Motes were talking about it right

529
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Speaker 2: before we came on. I thought West made a good

530
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Speaker 2: point point two that you know, development isn't linear. You know,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna have two steps forward, three steps back, five

532
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Speaker 2: steps forward, one step back, you know, and you've got

533
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Speaker 2: to be able to count on him day after day

534
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Speaker 2: after day, especially in protection and knowing everything he you know,

535
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Speaker 2: has to do. And again we're ten days in the camp.

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Speaker 2: You can't do that yet. And oh, by the way,

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Speaker 2: Dan Moore is something to say about this. You know,

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Speaker 2: he's probably well, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's nothing wrong with with how he's right handling

540
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Speaker 1: things here. So yeah, again, Kendrick Green working is at

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Speaker 1: second team center there.

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Speaker 2: We'll see if he still was a center of two folks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, see if they do anything with him with the

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Speaker 1: third group comes back out, if he goes out there

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Speaker 1: and does any full back work.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, has he been doing most of that with the ones? No,

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Speaker 2: it's been with the three. With the three, Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: couldn't remember. Okay, Yeah, just trying to rep it. When

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Speaker 2: he starts doing it with the ones, then we'll really yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, this is.

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Speaker 1: Something that they're really thinking about here. It's I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're only talking about basically six or seven plays lust.

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Speaker 2: Sure, but it is noteworthy because it's fun and I

554
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Speaker 2: think it might work out too.

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Speaker 1: It is fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is fun.

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Speaker 1: Now we're getting to see the the third team unit

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Speaker 1: is coming on to the field here, boy.

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Speaker 2: Can with another catch there, see where they're basically on

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Speaker 2: the hashes. It looks like in the middle of field.

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Speaker 1: It looks like Spencer Anderson is going to be the

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Speaker 1: left tackle with this group now in this in this.

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Speaker 2: Sense, Spencer Anderson's a story man. Yeah, that's crazy mentioned

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Speaker 2: this guy.

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Speaker 1: That is crazy. Yeah, it's standard Morgan leading the third

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Speaker 1: unit here.

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Speaker 2: So Mason Rudolph, we've definitely seen him at left guard

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Speaker 2: and left tackle today today, just today, in the last

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Speaker 2: fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 1: We've seen him at right tackle. We've seen him at guard.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember center.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if I've seen him. So maybe

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Speaker 1: that happened early in camp.

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Speaker 2: But as you mentioned the other day, they have a

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Speaker 2: lot of center possibilities or maybe they look at it

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Speaker 2: like boy ten things would have to happen for you

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Speaker 2: to play center, So why bother?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we want to see if he can do these

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Speaker 1: things first. And he did a nice job ceiling he

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Speaker 1: did there. Yeah, but no, it's a good point, like.

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Speaker 2: A lot lot of things would have to happen assuming

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Speaker 2: he's not even active on game day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they've got four other guys that can

584
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Speaker 1: play center, right, right.

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Speaker 2: Right, you bumped Daniels in before him or whoever you know,

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Speaker 2: and so five actually I think.

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Speaker 1: Three of them in the starting lineup. And and then

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Speaker 1: then you have Herbig on the Herbig as well, right

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Speaker 1: and Kendrick Green, So that you go from having a

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Speaker 1: couple of years ago no centers, you know, and which

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Speaker 1: is why really Kendrick Green ended up starting that.

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Speaker 2: Right, He got kind of thrust into action because.

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Speaker 1: Everybody as got hurtly. Right. But but then now now

594
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Speaker 1: they've got an abundance of them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they do the guys that can do it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so why kind of waste Anderson's reps? There you get

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Speaker 2: McFarland in motion.

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Speaker 1: There he goes over to the slot right left side

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Speaker 1: of Tanner Morgan nice jo up stepping up in the

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Speaker 1: pocket and he takes off running.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not a bad athlete either.

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Speaker 1: No, no, and another one of those quarterbacks with a

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Speaker 1: lot of college starting experience.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. We had that conversation after

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Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame game that a lot of these

606
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Speaker 2: dudes had played a lot out of college ball. Party

607
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Speaker 2: was one the u c l A kid that Dorian Thompson.

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Speaker 2: That's the transitions a little easier. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And to the NFL's credit, and this is a big

611
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Speaker 2: picture conversation, they've done a better job lately of stealing

612
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Speaker 2: college concepts and making that adjustment.

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Speaker 1: A little easier.

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Speaker 2: Like if you go pull it up like drafthistory dot

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Speaker 2: com and pull the quarterbacks. There's an unbelievable stretch there

616
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Speaker 2: of Winston, Marriota, Wentz, et cetera, et cetera, these all

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Speaker 2: these early picks that busted, and the NFL wasn't doing

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Speaker 2: a good job back then.

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Speaker 1: Job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, Jean Butler's gonna be tough to cut too.

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Speaker 1: He is, he really is. He went up over thirty there,

622
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Speaker 1: which is Chris Wilcox. He's a six foot two hundred

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Speaker 1: and ninety a small cornerback right, and Butler just went

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Speaker 1: up over top of him. Not a bad throw either

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Speaker 1: by Morgan there. Now, it wasn't to put it where

626
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Speaker 1: you only your guy can go get it.

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Speaker 2: Didn't have him go low? Yeah, get the power forward

628
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Speaker 2: and throwing off the rim there for him, and.

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Speaker 1: That's about a fifteen yard out down to the to

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Speaker 1: his left.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

632
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Speaker 1: Not you know, necessarily an easy throw for a quarterback.

633
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Speaker 2: That's the stuff that Butler did a ton in college.

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Speaker 2: And I really liked him coming out of school. I

635
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Speaker 2: was shocked and he went as late as he did.

636
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Speaker 2: But he's not a burner, you know. But if he's

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Speaker 2: going to block and be a middle of the field contributor,

638
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 2: and he's.

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Speaker 1: Want to you know, I want to see what he

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Speaker 1: can do on special teams. Yeah, that's a big I

641
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: see him maybe battling Miles Boykin for a roster spot.

642
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Speaker 2: That's gonna be a tough guy to beat out. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: especially on teams. Morgan's doing all right here, yeah's dealing.

644
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Speaker 1: Getting it to our our guy there. Number eighty seven.

645
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Speaker 1: Rodney Williams.

646
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Speaker 2: He's another one that's I kind of threw away. I'm like, boy,

647
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Speaker 2: they got four really good tight end Ye, he's got

648
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Speaker 2: no chance. Well, every practice his name comes up. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's how you stick around. He runs pretty well too,

650
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Speaker 2: he does. He's a willing blocker, he runs pretty well.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's an interesting that.

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Speaker 1: Like if they only had three tight ends right now,

653
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Speaker 1: you'd be looking at that guy.

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Speaker 2: Going okay, yeah, maybe right right, what can.

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Speaker 1: He bring to the equation here?

656
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean their tight end rooms interesting even without

657
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 2: him because Firemouth really should never leave the field unless

658
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: he's gassed or whatever. And then you got the two

659
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 2: giants in Gentry and Washington. One thing, Gentry's caught the

660
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Speaker 2: ball well in this can Yes, yes, he absolutely, yes,

661
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 2: he's been.

662
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Speaker 1: A target and uh, you know that that's something that

663
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 1: you always well, he's a blocker and he you know,

664
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Speaker 1: but I've seen him make some some contested catches and

665
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff in the end zone too. Yeah,

666
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: good point shots, like he's gotten better at being big.

667
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, using using the gifts he has.

668
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So like when they drafted Washington, I said it's a

670
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 2: matter of time until he just displaces Gentry, and maybe

671
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 2: that's true. But Gentry, like Dan Moore, is not going

672
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: to go away easy, and there's no rule against using

673
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 2: them both together. That's what I mean. That's bringing in

674
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 2: a lot of size deposition that I mean you're talking

675
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Speaker 2: about there's a chance that there will be two of

676
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 2: the better blocking tight ends in the league.

677
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: Well over thirteen feet of tight end there right right about. Oh,

678
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Speaker 1: I don't know, five fifty yeah, five hundred and sixty,

679
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: five hundred and seventy paws right.

680
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 2: End, yeah, and then length and and.

681
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: Get down the field and catch the football.

682
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 2: And we go Firemouth next to Washington. Now, yeah, that's it.

683
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 2: That's gonna be a nice rice. Uh usage of these

684
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 2: tight ends. Keep them all in there, keep them all fresh.

685
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 2: You kind of like pitched it to that side, the

686
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: strong side. It's a really strong side. And yeah, Harris

687
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 2: follows as those blockers and get some yard to jer

688
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: Again hard to tell with without the pads.

689
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: On right, that would have been a game.

690
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 2: I was watching Washington and did a good good job

691
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: taking out of his guy, engulfing them smaller defender.

692
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: And we go right now, we're back in cheeks. The

693
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: core four goes off and they oh, they brought the

694
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: whole second team line in this time. But this time

695
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: they brought the second team line in and more is

696
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: out there and say, I think play right tackle. He's

697
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: at right tackle now. But they did it with the

698
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: second team line this time. Mm hmm.

699
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 2: Just doing a lot of little things. You never know

700
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,479
Speaker 2: when you're gonna need it throughout the course of the season.

701
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 2: And recall that, remember those times I played right tackle

702
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: in La Trove.

703
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: So let's focus here on more right tackles. What this

704
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: looks like?

705
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 2: He and and Joe reasonably well, got a little help

706
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: from the right guard, but boom, wide open it.

707
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, nice shot there. He's more of a classic right

708
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: tackle as it is more in terms of the run blocking.

709
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say he's a better run blocker than

710
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 2: he is, you know, light on his feet, dancing bear

711
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 2: left tackle type. But they drafted him. I thought he

712
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: was more of a right tackle guard and I still

713
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: think that. But he's the fact that he's playing the

714
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 2: right right, right, he's a starter until further notice.

715
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: Right right, he's now out of there. He took one

716
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: rep there and now they've they've got the Raven Clark

717
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: back in there. Now.

718
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: I bet he's taken less than twenty reps at right

719
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: tackle probably, but you start repping it just you know,

720
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 2: get him used to it, and hey, in case of emergency,

721
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 2: you don't know what's going to happen with that left

722
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 2: tackle battle.

723
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Speaker 1: And again I go back to you know, his rookie year,

724
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: he played about two days on the right side and

725
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: then you know the plan was to get him work

726
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: on both sides. Well, a little fumble there by Calvin

727
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: Austen and well he's able to get back on it.

728
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's not gonna be happy with that.

729
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 2: No, no, you can't do that in these type of drills.

730
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, I forget what I was saying about that.

731
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 2: I doubt they're looking this far ahead. But Chukes is

732
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 2: a free agent after the year. I mean, you could

733
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 2: just well, Jones is a star at left tackle, but

734
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: we still have more under contract and a good deal.

735
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: Maybe use Chucks's money somewhere else if you think that

736
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: more can be a similar player at right tackle, you know,

737
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: or drafted on the third round after that. You know,

738
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 2: there's just how the league works.

739
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: It will be crazy for Chucks or Corps, for us

740
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: that he would be going on his third contract and

741
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: be twenty six years old.

742
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, which, maybe he's not a super star, but he's

743
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 2: going to be really attractive if he's on the open market.

744
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 2: There's a lot of starts for a twenty six year

745
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: old at offensive tackle. Like, he's not going to be cheap.

746
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: No, no, not absolutely wasn't cheap this time, right, right, right,

747
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: there's the Jets sweep action to.

748
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 2: H Yeah, that one looks pretty legit, like a long

749
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 2: game that would happen with pads or not.

750
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: And that's the thing about that, that Jets sweep action.

751
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: You may only hand it to that guy once or

752
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: twice a game, but put your repid, rep it and repid,

753
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: and you get the defense sleeping a little bit and

754
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, boom there goes for you know,

755
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: twenty five yards.

756
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. And to be frank, I thought they used it

757
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 2: far too much last year and what was looking like

758
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 2: a condensed offense where now.

759
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: Or early in the season when they were trying to

760
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: trying to find a running game of.

761
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 2: Some type, yeah, trying to get yardage anyway they could.

762
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 2: And now you're actually surprised when they get the ball, right,

763
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 2: you know. So it's a different feel for the defense.

764
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I mean, Tyreek Hill runs jet sweep action all

765
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: the time, sure, sure, you know, and nobody complains about that.

766
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: Why are they running Tyreek Hill on jet sweep action again? Right?

767
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: Because he gets the ball like three times a year

768
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: and in that situation.

769
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it does other things in the process. You

770
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 2: freeze that end. Absolutely. He is Matt Williamson. I am

771
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: Dale Lallie.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio

773
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,480
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774
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: Steelers training camp here at Saint Vincent College. The brain

775
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: continuing to hold off. Here's the Steelers practice and they

776
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: are off tomorrow, so we'll see, hopefully they get this

777
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: one in and then they're they're off. They come back

778
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: Tuesday Wednesday, leave for Tampa on Thursday after their morning

779
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: walk through which is closed to the public, and then

780
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Speaker 1: they're back here again after that game on Friday. They

781
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Speaker 1: don't come back until Sunday to practice again.

782
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Speaker 2: So so you get a little spotty here in the

783
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Speaker 2: next Yeah, I would say correct me if I'm wrong

784
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 2: for our listeners. But we will be Tuesday Wednesday, will

785
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 2: have a three hour drive, yes, and then there will

786
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 2: be a gap there again, then.

787
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: There's a gap and then we're back Sunday. So now,

788
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: but we're gonna take a break now again, He's Matt Williamson,

789
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lalli. We'll be back with more right after this,

790
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: which the offensive guys and more the linebacker type in

791
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: the middle.

792
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 2: It looks like Darnell Washington's one of the only white

793
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: ones in the middle, you know, and he's a huge person.

794
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: I'll be interested to see how any more speed on

795
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: the outside.

796
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 2: Ye be interested to see how he does in this,

797
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 2: because if you're not the starting tight end, it's hard

798
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: to dress young game day right, better be able to

799
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 2: play some teams. I mean, he'd be on field goal protection,

800
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 2: but that's not hard to find, you know.

801
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: I know they've used Gentry on kickoff. You know, you

802
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: know in the past that last year they used Gentry

803
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: and Hayward were both out there on kick return.

804
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: I should say I would they probably on return.

805
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: But Darnell Washington is fast enough that you just wonder

806
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: if he can do a few more things. Although you know,

807
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: the height doesn't lend it.

808
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: He's actually up right now, Yeah, let's let's watch this.

809
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: I would be more worried about him breaking down in space.

810
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 2: Yeah all right, not what he's built to do or

811
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 2: asked to do. Probably never done it before in his life,

812
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 2: I would imagine, right, Yeah, I'm sure he was highly

813
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 2: recruited and ended up in Georgia. He probably didn't play

814
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 2: a lot of teams in high school.

815
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Speaker 1: See how he does here, all right, and they get

816
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: Anthony McFarland as well, which is not an easy m hmm.

817
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 2: Okay, he had a little bit easier assignment because McFarlane

818
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 2: went up the middle str right, so he didn't have

819
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: to change direction as much. Kind of went right at Washington.

820
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 2: So I didn't learn a ton from that one, but.

821
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: We did not. We've got our little chefski there. Yeah, man,

822
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: I just you know, looking at this Steelers roster and

823
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: and uh, we've seen a little bit of kwant Alexander

824
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: today with the ones. Yeah yeah, yeah out there with

825
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: Cole Holcombe, and that might end up being their best combination.

826
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: I could see it in terms of range, potential, coverage skills.

827
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna push for a starting job or

828
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: for the second most second level snaps. Yeah.

829
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 1: That h with that signing. Uh last week, that room

830
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: was shot in the arm a little bit. Yeah, that

831
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: room went from being thin to all of a sudden.

832
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: I look at and go, okay, I guess they get

833
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: some options there, and they've got some guys there. If

834
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Speaker 1: something were to happen, for example, you know, one of

835
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: the things that was a concern for me was Okay,

836
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: what happens if Cole Holcomb gets hurt? Oh right, well,

837
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: now you've now you've got you know, another option there

838
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: that a guy who has done it before and done

839
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 1: the same things that they're going to ask Cole Hulkan

840
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Speaker 1: to do.

841
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. He's been around the block.

842
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's worn the green dot or not,

843
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: but he's certainly been on the field in all situations

844
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 2: I would think, so I'm assuming he has, you know,

845
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 2: but no, all of a sudden, it's like that room

846
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 2: was a little frightening. It was a little slower than

847
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 2: you would have liked. And now there's a lot more

848
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 2: puzzle pieces that don't look the same, you know what

849
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 2: I mean. And see how that puzzle comes together when

850
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 2: it's all said and done. Oh, this is that rapid

851
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: fire punt block drill. Yeah, this is it's hard to

852
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 2: keep up.

853
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: With guys flying in there and just just getting you know,

854
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: the the backup kickers or backup punter. She just holds

855
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: the ball out there and the guys coming he's on

856
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: a knee and smack it out of his hands.

857
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 2: Right, he's got a huge bag of balls there and

858
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: Presley Harvin just gathers them up, puts them in the

859
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 2: back of the back to keep the keep the drill going.

860
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: But this thing, they go through a lot of punt

861
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: blockers here from all angles.

862
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: When you start looking at the at this roster, Matt

863
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: is eight linebackers enough hm hmm, four and the four outside,

864
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: four inside.

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00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 2: It's questionable. It's questionable. I mean, I'm real comfortable with

866
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: those four outside guys. And don't think you need a fifth. Yeah,

867
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 2: maybe five interior though, five off the ball guys. And again,

868
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 2: but we just had this conversation.

869
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Speaker 1: Fifth guy better be good on teams, you better, Tanner

870
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 1: muse is that Nick Kwaikowski Chapel Russell's done some things.

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Speaker 2: He has done some things. He screams practice squad to

872
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Speaker 2: me though, yeah he really does.

873
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Speaker 1: Whereas a guy compliment, Yeah, can a guy like you know,

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Speaker 1: can Kwaikowski still be a dude on special teams? That's

875
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Speaker 1: kind of what he's cut his teeth on. Yes, over

876
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Speaker 1: the course of his career, as has muss Mus. You've

877
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Speaker 1: got two guys there who've been special teams dudes over

878
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Speaker 1: the course of their career.

879
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 2: They can play on the defense, but it's not ideal.

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Speaker 1: That was the beauty of the kwant Alexander signing is

881
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Speaker 1: you know, prior to that those one of them, I

882
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Speaker 1: believe it was mus was listed second team.

883
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's not exactly what you want right right,

884
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: especially with where's Mark Robinson and his development. You'd love

885
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Speaker 2: to keep five of those, But we opened the show

886
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 2: talking about the D line depth chart. You'd love to

887
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Speaker 2: keep seven of those. Yeah, it's both possible. I bet

888
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 2: not four outside linebackers. It seems like a done deal though. Yeah, yeah,

889
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 2: it seems like it.

890
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Speaker 1: And you know, I think we've seen a little bit

891
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Speaker 1: of them using Nick Herbig and some coverage tip type

892
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Speaker 1: of situations. You know, I wonder if that gains more

893
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Speaker 1: steam as you know, we get into the later stages

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, let's see you go line up inside linebacker

896
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Speaker 2: a little bit. I mean, we know you can rush

897
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Speaker 2: the passers. Yeah, yeah, maybe that does happen, and you know,

898
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Speaker 2: let's get the foundation down as an edge dude. I mean,

899
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Speaker 2: it would make it a lot easier to cut that

900
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Speaker 2: fifth inside linebacker if you had some reps of him

901
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 2: doing it, you know.

902
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: So there is maybe you can keep an extra safety

903
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 1: as well, or an extra whatever, you know, cornerback or

904
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Speaker 1: whatever it may be.

905
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 2: Maybe even no lineman. I mean, do you really want

906
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: to cut Spencer Anderson or you know what I mean? Right,

907
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: I mean, those guys aren't as active on game day,

908
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 2: but it's never a bad thing to have a bunch

909
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 2: of linemen that can play.

910
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and well, I mean that's something you know, the.

911
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 2: You're probably going to keep four tight ends this year.

912
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 2: Most years they kept three, right, you.

913
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: Know, but he also always kept a full back.

914
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 2: Hayward is anything it's the same, yeah, Hayward? Is that so?

915
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an interesting you want to call it interesting

916
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: roster construction this year for the Steelers in terms of, yeah,

917
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Speaker 1: how these pieces all fit together?

918
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Speaker 2: And two notes, And we should never forget that we

919
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Speaker 2: can't predict the future because we may laugh a week

920
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Speaker 2: from now sitting here in the booth, going, we didn't

921
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Speaker 2: know if Herberg would play off the ball linebacker. Now

922
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 2: he's the best guy, you know, Like this thing's changed drastically,

923
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: and unfortunately people are gonna get hurt, you know, Like

924
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 2: we're looking at all these options, two or three of

925
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 2: them aren't going to be available for opening day.

926
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've been very fortunate to this point. The only

927
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 1: serious injury that they've had was to Corey Trice.

928
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Speaker 2: And and that's unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: That may have answered high questions, Yeah, in terms of

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Speaker 1: the roster construction, because you know, I think a lot

931
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Speaker 1: of people looked at Trice as well. He was a

932
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Speaker 1: seventh rounder, but a lot of people had higher grades

933
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: on him, and yeah, and they were just kind of

934
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,959
Speaker 1: discounting James Pierre. Well, James Pierre is making this team now. Yeah,

935
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Speaker 1: and I thought he was going to.

936
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 2: All along based on special teams out you know, but

937
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 2: now you look at that at that cornerback position, you

938
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 2: got Levi Wallace, you get Patrick Peterson, Joey Porter making it.

939
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, James Pierre.

940
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Speaker 2: I think Pierre is making it. I think those are

941
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 2: your four potential outside and there's okay, who's.

942
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: You know there there's room for maybe another guy there.

943
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 2: I say that spot, maybe you could find a sixth guy, depending.

944
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 1: On you know, if it's if it's you know, how

945
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: many Nichols do they keep.

946
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Speaker 2: I think Sullivan has a very good chance to make team. Yeah, Okay,

947
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 2: so that would be I don't know how good he

948
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 2: is on team.

949
00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: Though, I don't know how good he can.

950
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: Mean, he's listened at five to.

951
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Speaker 1: Eleven, one eighty nine. I don't know how much he's

952
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 1: played outside in his career.

953
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 2: Like, if he could do that, I don't see him

954
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 2: that way. I'm sure he could. Yeah, but you have

955
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 2: four of the can yeah, you know, so, I think

956
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 2: Sullivan makes a team. But a sixth corner if it

957
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 2: would have been Trice, would have been nice, you know,

958
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: is nice? Yeah, rhyme?

959
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: So is that the least deep position on the team.

960
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I like their I like the top four

961
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: guys are all yeah NFL dudes, you know, stagger their

962
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Speaker 1: ages and expenses and things like that. And I like

963
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: the fact that you know, they got a guy in

964
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: Sullivan who's played a lot of snaps in the NFL,

965
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: and even a guy like Duke Dawson has played a

966
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: decent number of snaps slot.

967
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Speaker 2: Cornerback Norwood and you get guys like that.

968
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: Some different stuff there, And.

969
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 2: I think Peterson's role is gonna be different in Black

970
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: and Gold than it is in other stops.

971
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: But in terms of the pure outside guys.

972
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: One war might not be terrible. Yeah, I mean it's like,

973
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 2: you know, one injury away from need one, like you know,

974
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 2: who's probably the best of the the other guys there.

975
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 2: You got Chris Wilcox we talked about earlier there, Luke Barkhu,

976
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 2: he's done some kinds of stuff.

977
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: You got Maudri Harper, Isaiah Dunn.

978
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 2: Maybe the thought is, assuming you stay healthy through the

979
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: preseason with those top four outside guys, which why would

980
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 2: I assume that? But I mean because if you lose one,

981
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Speaker 2: you might have to go shop.

982
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: Now you're real thin. Yeah, But the.

983
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 2: More I think through it, maybe you keep five corners

984
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: and keep the extra d lineman or extra inside linebacker

985
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 2: that we were talking about, assuming that the linebacker can

986
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: help on teams. But maybe you load your practice squad

987
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 2: with corners. Maybe you have yea, I should know this,

988
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: but I don't know usually how many corners they keep

989
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: on their practice squad, But I would.

990
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: Considers a couple, Yeah, a couple, right. You know you're again,

991
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: if you've only got five on your active rosters, we

992
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: need more than at the practice would mind three or four?

993
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: Yea, even on the on there to develop and that

994
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,439
Speaker 2: position is always hard to find too.

995
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely so interesting. It's gonna be as we watch

996
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: this roster build. And that's why these these games, these

997
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: upcoming games are so important.

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00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 2: I say, I'm starting to get excited for the Bucks game,

999
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: just to see the Barkus of the world. Right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: who do you say, boy, I don't want to get

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Speaker 1: Or you know, I mean, there's there's guys there that

1003
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: you know. I think we've seen Trenton Thompson outside a

1004
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: little bit too. Even though he's listed as a safety,

1005
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: he's more of a defensive back. He could play either either.

1006
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 2: Or Those lines get blurry this time in the modern

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Speaker 2: day NFL too.

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Speaker 1: They really do. We're gonna take another break. He is

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