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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast has the vapors. I'll come

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Speaker 1: back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Henzas, and I'm joining in the

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Speaker 1: room filled with some heroes. To my left, Chris Westling

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Speaker 1: to my right. Oh my goodness, it's Lindsay Rhodes. What's

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Speaker 1: up people? Hi, you're testing out some new like uh

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Speaker 1: Don't that makes me feel like I'm in Kentucky and

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Speaker 1: we're down in Holler right, holler at me? After school? Uh? Wow?

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Speaker 1: We all right? Some housekeeping here if you watched our

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Speaker 1: the premiere of our Twitter show, which Lindsay obviously did

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Speaker 1: obviously A plus A minus Soliday Like, where is there

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Speaker 1: a plus gold star? Yeah? Thank you? You don't what

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Speaker 1: are you saying that? Huh be mine inside joke. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. It's a damn thing. Um, thank you for

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Speaker 1: that out. Greg is with his baby girl in Disneyland

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Speaker 1: who is undoubtedly in Disneyland right now as she always is.

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Speaker 1: And yes, Mark Cesler still not with us, Mr Cessler

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Speaker 1: we we we learned loose Cannon that The Quiet Storm

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Speaker 1: has an audio message for both the podcast and the listeners.

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Speaker 1: That sounds good. Guys, It's Mark. And perhaps you've noticed

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Speaker 1: that I've not been on the show this week, or

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Speaker 1: perhaps you've not noticed. That would make sense too. Just

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Speaker 1: a quick update on Sunday, went to the emergency room

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Speaker 1: joy ride for the most part. Will be out this week,

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Speaker 1: but I'll be back soon. And I would be remiss

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Speaker 1: if I did not mention a little game on the

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Speaker 1: horizon come Thursday night, the Browns hosting the New York Jets.

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Speaker 1: The Cleveland Browns, who have not won a game in

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Speaker 1: lock it up. It's a very tough situation first of all.

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Speaker 1: First of all, it's very serious. And then he kind

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Speaker 1: But you know what, I've never been playing with morehouse

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Speaker 1: But before that, let us do some news. All right.

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Speaker 1: sure Bill Belichick watched the game Sunday night, the tape

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Speaker 1: So you kind of attach yourself to that because it

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Speaker 1: not just football, the way he views things like that

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Speaker 1: not forget it's not like Jamis Winston was on sure

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Speaker 1: footing before Ryan Fitzpatrick started playing well. I mean, Jamis,

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Speaker 1: we talked a lot in the off season about whether

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Speaker 1: no matter what happens with this season, because he just

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Speaker 1: doesn't look like, uh, he's making smart choices off the

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Speaker 1: field or on the field as a you know, from

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Speaker 1: a quarterback standpoint. So it's not like we're replacing you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not Drew Bledsoe and all of a sudden Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady is playing well. I mean, you have a you

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Speaker 1: have a shaky quarterback situation as it is. It's a

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Speaker 1: long season, and slumps happened, but I don't think he's

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Speaker 1: gonna be benched until an extended slump happens. Yeah. Finally,

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Speaker 1: the kicker apocalypse of Week two has cost people their jobs.

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Speaker 1: As we imagined that would happen, The Vikings decided to

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Speaker 1: move on from Daniel Carlson, their fifth round pick. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Carlson took ownership of what was a miserable day against

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Speaker 1: the Packers. He said, I let my team down. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And this is this one surprised me a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Here was Mike Zimmer when he was asked about the

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Speaker 1: decision to cut ties with Carlson. Here's how he played it.

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Speaker 1: What's the thing you know or what went into the

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Speaker 1: decision today? I'll have Daniel Carlson to go. Did you

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Speaker 1: see the game? Was? It was an easy decision, cold

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Speaker 1: cold blood, so cold blooded and it actually got on

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Speaker 1: my radar and I like Mike Zimmer a lot, but uh,

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Speaker 1: you would never say that about anybody else on the team,

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Speaker 1: And it just it just shows that disconnect and you know,

457
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Speaker 1: to be perfectly honest, like disrespect for a guy. It's

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Speaker 1: a professional that's going through something that probably is really crappy.

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Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't like that at all. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: agree with that, um. But on the other hand, Dan

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Speaker 1: Bailey strikes a blow for kickers. I've never seen this before.

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Speaker 1: A kicker holds out for more money. He's not going

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Speaker 1: to just sign with anyone. He's out there on the

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Speaker 1: kicker circuit, and he demanded to get paid. He got

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Speaker 1: two million dollars. They didn't give him like the league minimum.

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Speaker 1: He held out for money. Good for him, Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: that was that's good. You don't. You don't see kickers

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Speaker 1: ever with leverage, so he used it. Absolutely the second

469
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Speaker 1: most accurate kicker in history. And he's on the streets,

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Speaker 1: which is why you hold out for that million dollars,

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Speaker 1: because man, a kicker with leverage that I am the

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Speaker 1: kind of person so this, uh, I root for the

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Speaker 1: kicker if it comes down to the I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't have a I don't have if if it's my team,

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Speaker 1: like if it's USC, then I'm not rooting for the

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Speaker 1: kicker to beat them at the end of the game.

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Speaker 1: But every other game, I'm rooting for the kicker, And

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter what storyline I've been rooting for. If it

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Speaker 1: comes down to it. I hate the idea that one

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Speaker 1: guy is going to walk off the field after uh

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Speaker 1: sixty minute game in which so many things could have

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Speaker 1: happened and so many people could have made plays to

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Speaker 1: win it, and everyone's gonna say this person lost the

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Speaker 1: game for us. I hate that that's the narrative that

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Speaker 1: takes over. It just bugs me. We hear all the

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Speaker 1: time that it's unfair that a kicker who's not involved,

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Speaker 1: who's on the field for about sixty seconds of real

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Speaker 1: time during a game, gets to decide the fates of

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Speaker 1: the other fifty two players and in the coaching staff.

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Speaker 1: But it's also unfair how the position has involved evolved.

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Speaker 1: Kicker was never meant to have like within him one

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Speaker 1: point three seconds of a swing of his leg have

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Speaker 1: the entire game resting on his shoulders. In Mark Moseley

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Speaker 1: one m v P. Because nobody expected kickers to reliably

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Speaker 1: come through in the clutch. He was a toe banger

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Speaker 1: at the time. Now they're all soccer styre kickers making

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Speaker 1: toe banger, he says. I like that it's just evolved

498
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Speaker 1: in a way where you're expected to nail every kick,

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Speaker 1: and that was never the purpose of the kicker in football.

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Speaker 1: In other news, the Browns has expected cut ties with

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Speaker 1: Zane Gonzalez uh and signed a new kicker, Greg Joseph,

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Speaker 1: who was on the uh in camp with the Dobbins

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Speaker 1: didn't make the team, so maybe things will go better

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Speaker 1: for Greg than it did for for poor Zane. Uh And.

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Speaker 1: The Rams also had to sign a kicker because their guy,

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Speaker 1: Greg the Leg has an injury. Sam faking ficking cking

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Speaker 1: uh he is. He is back in the league, so

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Speaker 1: he he will take the place of Greg the Leg

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Speaker 1: temporarily um as he recovers a groin Injurywick kicker, new

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Speaker 1: ficking kicker. And by the way, uh uh, Hugh Jackson

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Speaker 1: and that kicker, Yeah, Hugh Jackson didn't know of a

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Speaker 1: groin injury. That'st Gonzals might have had. I don't know

513
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Speaker 1: if that's the Brown's fault or or you hid the injury,

514
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Speaker 1: but just too many of these stories around the Browns.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why Josh Gordon actually started the game

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Speaker 1: when he wasn't supposed to start. I didn't know the

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Speaker 1: kicker was this, I didn't know this. I didn't know

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Speaker 1: that Hugh come on at a certain point and and

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Speaker 1: finally in kicking that's how they do things around there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: finally kicker news. Uh, I did I do have a

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Speaker 1: prop a sandwich prop a Lindsay with Greg Rosenthal that

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Speaker 1: my boy Kai for Bath would get a job out

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Speaker 1: of all this madness. Kay still on the couch, So

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Speaker 1: Daddy's gonna have to pay out a sandwich and I

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Speaker 1: ain't happy about it. Hey, there's still a few days.

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Speaker 1: Someone can pull a hamstring. That's all I got. Now.

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Speaker 1: I have a few days for someone to get hurt,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not I'm not gonna do that. That guy.

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Speaker 1: I don't root for that. So I'll just pay up

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Speaker 1: and that will be it. That's what's happening in the news.

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Speaker 1: All right. Okay, before we get to our boy Will Brinson,

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Speaker 1: uh from CBS, we need we have Lindsay here. So uh,

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Speaker 1: if you remember the last time Lindsay was here in

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Speaker 1: the spring, Uh, we took advantage of her expert abilities

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Speaker 1: to read Total Access, which is the flagship program of

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Speaker 1: Eastern's right, you're like like question Mark. He hosts that

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Speaker 1: program with Scott Hansen. So uh. Part of your gig, Lindsay,

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Speaker 1: of course, is that you do the promos or as

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Speaker 1: you have taught me, topical. Okay, yes, that's what we

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Speaker 1: call him. So while we're using jargon before we kiss

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Speaker 1: like a professional TV person. Now let's do some topics

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Speaker 1: t A Topicals from the future with Lindsay Rhodes. And

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Speaker 1: if you don't know what the hell I'm talking about,

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Speaker 1: this is what a topical sounds like. Just two days

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Speaker 1: away from the first game of week three, will it

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Speaker 1: be win number one for Cleveland, We've got your Thursday

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Speaker 1: night look ahead, straight ahead on NFL Total Access. All right,

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Speaker 1: so here are some topicals from the future, some promos

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Speaker 1: from the future. I have in my hand. This is

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Speaker 1: what you read off sometimes the prompter know that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: number one. Here we go, wait for the music. Okay, Okay.

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Speaker 1: On NFL Total Access, the Cardinals and Bills decide to

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Speaker 1: combine teams to feel the competitive single entity for a

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Speaker 1: balance of the season. For the balance of the season,

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Speaker 1: I'm a professional reader. Sean McDermott and Steve Wilkes will

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Speaker 1: fight to the debt for the right to be head

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Speaker 1: coach live on the Kyle Brand Football experience. Matt Grader

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Speaker 1: is in studio to explain my place. Kickers are the

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Speaker 1: only real men left in this world. Tonight, seventiestern alright,

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Speaker 1: very good, a little beefy. Maybe I should have an edit.

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Speaker 1: It's the music loops. Okay, we'll keep playing from the

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Speaker 1: a little bit shorter and a decent read, but poor

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Speaker 1: writing mostly. Go ahead. Tonight on NFL Total Accent, the

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Speaker 1: Browns make it official. The last twenty years have been

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Speaker 1: the market. Right now tonight, seventies a lot. We're just

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Speaker 1: like you know, the Kickers are in the news. Let's

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Speaker 1: just go with that. I mean, you gotta gets in

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Speaker 1: this one too. Tonight on NFL Total Access. Dogs can

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Speaker 1: walk now they're talking a little bit too. How will

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Speaker 1: this news affect the Browns? On Thursday Night Football against

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Speaker 1: the Jets. Plus Matt Prader in studio for a discussion

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Speaker 1: Look at him? Look at like looking at this critically,

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Speaker 1: do not walk fine? West, then focus on the talking part. Right, Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll edit the copy. West walking their hind legs. Dogs

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Speaker 1: are now bipedal Um the Live Twitter show, by the way,

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Speaker 1: b minus, I was lying, Um, Lindsay Rhodes, you've done

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Speaker 1: it again. You came in here and you you changed everything.

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Speaker 1: Are you sweating a little bit? He's like wiping his forehead.

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Speaker 1: Is it? Am I making you nervous? You make me noivous? Um?

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Speaker 1: She is the host of Total Access. She is a

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Speaker 1: stalwart around here. You Friday, seven Eastern tonight on NFL

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Speaker 1: is that right? Think it's Lindsay underscore Roads and the

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Speaker 1: Thanks Dan, It's too real. You posted that photo on

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Speaker 1: Instagram recently from your cheerleading game, and now I have

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Speaker 1: the image of what you looked like. And I did

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Speaker 1: not sound like that. We didn't talk like that in

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Speaker 1: Orange County. Um, I think everybody to a degree was yeah.

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Speaker 1: I like where else are you going to go hang out?

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Speaker 1: the game of life at some point. Oh yeah, anytime.

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Speaker 1: Check is one of my favorite checks. MS. You're not

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Speaker 1: just surviving the gool is to live l I v

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Speaker 1: I N baby, very true. Will is a longtime friend

639
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Speaker 1: of the show, and we thought, you know, it was

640
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Speaker 1: time to have will on. It's just West and I.

641
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Speaker 1: So it's just gonna be a three man we've here

642
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: and and why not dig into as we look ahead

643
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: to Week three a segment we like to call things

644
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Speaker 1: about two thousand eighteen that are way different than two

645
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Speaker 1: thousand seventeen. Pithy, catchy, it is what it is. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's a Wednesday sigh and we're doing our best. Will Uh,

647
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Speaker 1: you are the guests, so you will kick it off

648
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Speaker 1: for us. What is way different? I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 1: The thing that struck me going back and watching some

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652
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Speaker 1: if you go to NFL dot com, this is some

653
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Speaker 1: good stuff. This is some sad stuff, but I'm enjoining it.

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Speaker 1: Uh No. I was watching the Colton Redskins game this

655
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Speaker 1: morning because I was trying to figure out how in

656
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Speaker 1: hades the Redskins just got their doors blown off from

657
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Speaker 1: a you know, yeah, basically got out manned by the

658
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: culture supposed to be this week soft team. And I'll

659
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Speaker 1: tell you what's different. The cults aren't weak. The cults

660
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: are tough. The cults are nasty. And the Colts have

661
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,479
Speaker 1: talent on or at least hustle and energy on both

662
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Speaker 1: sides of the line and in the trenches. Quinn Nelson

663
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 1: is a bad, bad man, guys, and I know Uh West.

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Speaker 1: I think we either tweeted or wrote about maybe uh

665
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: Marcus Hunt. They've been getting the Matt Eber flows. The

666
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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator is getting maximum effort out of Marcus Hunt.

667
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Speaker 1: And Jabal shared I think the Redskins have one of

668
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: the best offensive lines in the league when they're healthy.

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Speaker 1: And the Colts were getting consistent pressure on Alex Smith

670
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Speaker 1: and getting a lot of push on the defensive side

671
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Speaker 1: of the ball, and I was really really surprised by

672
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Speaker 1: the effort from the Colts on both sides. And I

673
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: think that one of the things that we sort of

674
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Speaker 1: sleep on when we cover the NFL is the upgrade

675
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: downgrade factor and coaching, Like I think it's happening right

676
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 1: now in Arizona. Steve Wilkes, really good human being. Think

677
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: you're probably a fine coach at some point, but a

678
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: big down grade right now from Bruce Area and the

679
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: Colts coaching staff as a whole is a huge upgrade

680
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Speaker 1: over what they had before. Yeah, you're talking about a

681
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: Redskins team that bullied Arizona in Week one and then

682
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: the Colts took it to him. Marcus Hunt is throwing

683
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: people around, other human beings. He's just picking them up

684
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 1: and moving them. Darius Leonard had eighteen tackles in that game.

685
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Speaker 1: He's a beast. The Colts aren't what people think they are.

686
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: That and marguts Hunt. He joins Chris Hogan as maybe

687
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Speaker 1: the and I let me know if I'm missing anybody,

688
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: but guys that were set up on hard knocks is

689
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: to be kind of lovable underdogs or just kind of

690
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Speaker 1: side characters that after kind of going underground for a

691
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Speaker 1: couple of years, have now emerged as actual players in

692
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Speaker 1: the league. Like Hunt is a difference maker. Yeah, I mean, look,

693
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Speaker 1: he's a what's he used the is he Latvian or Estonian?

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Speaker 1: I can't remember. He's he's Estonian Eastern Block all the

695
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: all those Eastern Europeans looked the same to me. Uh,

696
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Speaker 1: the mean he was he was like this, like, oh,

697
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Speaker 1: this big guy who's making a transition from you know,

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Speaker 1: some like discus throwing or something like that into actually

699
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Speaker 1: being a football player. I don't think he actually was

700
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Speaker 1: a disc thrower, but something shot putter. Yeah, exactly right,

701
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Speaker 1: right like it or like an extra Game of Thrones

702
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Speaker 1: or something. Um, and he comes in and now he's

703
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Speaker 1: developed into this guy who has gotten technique to go

704
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Speaker 1: along with the raw strength he's throwing dudes around. Like

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Speaker 1: you pointed out, I think I think one of the

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Speaker 1: guys too on the defense who's not his physical per

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Speaker 1: se West that we could end up seeing make a

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Speaker 1: major impact this year if he stays healthy. Is Malik

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Speaker 1: Hooker even when you see like, um it was j

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Speaker 1: MS Crowder on an end around had a fumble and

711
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Speaker 1: Hooker just like he just he has he like is

712
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Speaker 1: it just attracted to the ball, Like he's just a

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Speaker 1: ball talking guy who knows how to go get it

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Speaker 1: and he he immediately picks it up he's running. It got overturned,

715
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Speaker 1: but you could just see the instincts of him being

716
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Speaker 1: able to make a difference. I think that this Colts

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Speaker 1: team could I mean I don't know if they can.

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Speaker 1: If they can, I want to hear this go out

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Speaker 1: on a limb. I mean, I mean they could win

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Speaker 1: the division. Why not? They could win I don't think

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Speaker 1: they will, they could finish, they could they could definitely

722
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Speaker 1: finish second in the division at this point, and it

723
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Speaker 1: would not surprise me at all. Um if Jacksonville were

724
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Speaker 1: to suffer some injuries on defense, why not the Colts.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of Frank right, give him credit for this. The

726
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Speaker 1: Colts are number one in the NFL by a wide

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Speaker 1: margin on third down offense. They've converted six more third

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Speaker 1: downs in any other team and are easily the highest

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Speaker 1: percentage of third downs. Andrew lux getting the ball out quickly,

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Speaker 1: making he's not being like is vulnerable under pressure because

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Speaker 1: he's not doing those deep dropbacks and they are moving

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Speaker 1: the chains all right, West, What do you got? What about?

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Speaker 1: Two thousand and eight has been way different than two

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Speaker 1: thousand Just breeze past. Yeah, forget it. But two thousand

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Speaker 1: eight that was an interesting year. You've got you've got

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Speaker 1: ma rooon five in your minro slightly less interesting because

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Speaker 1: of Bernard Pollard that year as a year he took

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Speaker 1: out Tom Brady. But last year defense has gained a

739
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: slight toe hold. On offenses, the passer rating, for the

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Speaker 1: first time in years, dropped This year. Quarterbacks have an

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Speaker 1: average passer rating over a hundred. Over a hundred. John Elway,

742
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: one of the greatest quarterbacks in history, retired with a

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Speaker 1: career passer rating of seventy nine point nine. This is

744
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: how easy it is to throw the ball in the

745
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: NFL this year. And it's not just the sackral uh,

746
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Speaker 1: the putting your weight on a guy and pile driving

747
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: him into the ground that you're not allowed to do it.

748
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Speaker 1: It's not just the helmet roll. Quarterbacks are healthy. You

749
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Speaker 1: have Aaron Rodgers, Deshaun Watson, Andrew luck who you didn't

750
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Speaker 1: have last year, and you've got guys like Patrick Mahomes.

751
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: It feels like last year with Romo retiring, Kaepernick being

752
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: I guess cast out of the league or whatever, a

753
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: few other guys, the best quarterbacks in the world weren't

754
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Speaker 1: running NFL teams, and this year they are. Yeah, I

755
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: think the opposite of what we saw from last year.

756
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Speaker 1: Like it's Week three and Carson Wentz is coming back.

757
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: You know, it's like week three last year, We're losing

758
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: quarterbacks left, guys are guys are getting injured, guys are

759
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: dropping down. Um. I know that Chase Stewart ha tweeted

760
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: out something about the pass rating and I think to like,

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Speaker 1: the other thing that's interesting about that West is we've

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Speaker 1: now seen a proliferation of Andy Reid disciples sort of

763
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Speaker 1: floating across the NFL. Right, I mean, I know Frank

764
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Speaker 1: Reich isn't one per se, but he came. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's the O C under Doug Peterson who was the

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Speaker 1: O C under read and then he had Matt Nagy.

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Speaker 1: Even defensive guys like Sean McDermott and Ron Rivera and

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Speaker 1: and Andy Reid has you know, always operated the West

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Speaker 1: Coast system. He's sort he sort of seemous to be

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Speaker 1: moving away from it this year a little bit. But

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Speaker 1: I think that you have it's hard into something else, right,

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Speaker 1: Like it's the West Coast plus college concepts, Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: and it's and I think that these college concepts that

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00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: you talk about are designed to improve completion percentage. And

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Speaker 1: that's why we're sort of seeing this spike. Like it's

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Speaker 1: a combination of the talent coming in with the quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: and the schemes that these guys are running. Well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's that's another new thing about two eighteen, how much

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Speaker 1: running backs are being used in the passing game more

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Speaker 1: than ever. Like there's guys like say Kwan Barkley getting

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Speaker 1: fifteen targets. That's so unusual to see a running back

782
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: used that much. Is it making the offenses better? And

783
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 1: the like with the Giants as an example, he's getting

784
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: fifteen targets but averaging less than five yards of reception.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's still have to use them in a

786
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: way that makes the offense better, right, I think you

787
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Speaker 1: have to take it on a case by case basis.

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Speaker 1: In the Giants right now, just have a check down offense. Yikes,

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Speaker 1: speaking of offenses that don't get you excited, uh, West,

790
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: you and I and I think a lot of people,

791
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Speaker 1: um saw the changing of the guard in the NFC

792
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Speaker 1: occur on December seventeen. That's when the Rams went to

793
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Speaker 1: the clink and destroyed the Seahawks. So I think we've

794
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: known for a while that maybe the Seahawks uh window

795
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 1: closed as and it was open for a long time,

796
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: and almost incredibly, they only got one ring out of it.

797
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Speaker 1: And if you're a Seahawks fan, you you're excited and

798
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: and you look back fondly and wistfully on that run,

799
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Speaker 1: but also a little bit of what if that you

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Speaker 1: never can get back. That sucks. However, what's different about

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Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen, the two thousand seventeen this time last year,

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Speaker 1: and that's kind of how I looked at this uh

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00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: segment was early in seventeen, the Seahawks were still had

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Speaker 1: their core together. They got off to a one in

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Speaker 1: one start, and you weren't sure what team they would be,

806
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Speaker 1: but you kind of thought they were gonna figure it

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Speaker 1: out and again be a team in the NFC. UH

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Speaker 1: to be reckoned with at the start of two thousand eighteen.

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Speaker 1: Two weeks and I don't think there's any question that

810
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Speaker 1: the Seahawks are and also ran that the Seahawks are

811
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Speaker 1: and rebuild and you see it on both sides of

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Speaker 1: the ball. I was borderline depressed watching Monday Night Football

813
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: because it it gave me like an acid flashback of

814
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Speaker 1: watching Brian Schottenheimer's offenses with the Jets in the turn

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Speaker 1: of this decade, when uh this was you know, UH,

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Speaker 1: two thousand twelve Jets Mark Sanchez three and ounce that

817
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: happened in thirty five seconds. You you go to get

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Speaker 1: a beer, you get back from to the living room

819
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: and they're already punting the ball. There's just seems there's no, uh,

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00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: there's no imagination to that offense. And I know that

821
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Speaker 1: it's not just about that. I know that they might

822
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Speaker 1: not have the skill players the offensive line, and the

823
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: defense is clearly in transition at this at this stage,

824
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Speaker 1: but you put the whole thing together, it's like the

825
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: Seahawks don't matter right now. And that's that's a big

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Speaker 1: change from what we've gotten used to over the last

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Speaker 1: five or six years. I think you put it well

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Speaker 1: that they don't matter. They're no longer a glamour franchise.

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Speaker 1: And when you look at that game Monday Night, without

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Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner, without kJ Wright, without Doug Baldwin, this is

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Speaker 1: a bottom three NFL roster with the Bills and the Cardinals,

832
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Speaker 1: I think that the Seahawks are that bad without that trio. Hm.

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Speaker 1: I would I would say. I did a piece on

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Speaker 1: Owen two teams for CBS Sports dot Com this past week,

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Speaker 1: and I was just digging into yeah, I mean, yeah,

836
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Speaker 1: of course, America. But you know, I thought it was

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Speaker 1: really interesting because you know, we had this stretch um

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Speaker 1: in like mid two thousand's where there were a bunch

839
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Speaker 1: of these teams that that came back from Own two

840
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: made the playoffs, and then there was a three or

841
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: four year stretch where it didn't happen, and we've had

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Speaker 1: one team every single year since two thousand and thirteen

843
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Speaker 1: do it. The Panthers did it in two thousand and thirteen. Um.

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Speaker 1: I didn't obviously don't remember the piece well enough to

845
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Speaker 1: to name every team says did it last year, But

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Speaker 1: looking at it, the common concepts of these teams were

847
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Speaker 1: that they had a good quarterback most of the time.

848
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: I think Ryan Tannell was the only exception with that

849
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: Dolphins team, and Dolphins are gonna be up in your mentions. Well,

850
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: I mean, but like mostly it's like Cam Newton, Andrew Luck.

851
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: Uh there, Russell Wilson, Oh, no, I know. Sorry, the

852
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: only exception was Brian Horry. The Texans did it as

853
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: well within that in that mallet when they benched Mallett

854
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 1: after it's alarm clock incident. Uh but the uh. But

855
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: they also had veteran coaches, and if you looked at

856
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: their first two games, they ended up playing teams that

857
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: were better than we thought they were, or at least

858
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: ended up being pretty good and sort of maybe maybe

859
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: the team. So I guess my point here is at

860
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: the Seahawks, I wonder if it's possible that the Broncos

861
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: and Bears, both of whom the Seahawks had to play

862
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: on the road, might end up having top ten or

863
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: top five defenses. And we look back on this team,

864
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: the Seahawks team, and say, all right, they did end

865
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: up making run. I'm not saying they're good. I just

866
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: feel like Russell Wilson and Pete Carroll, if I were

867
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: picking out of the out of the teams that are

868
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: currently oh and two, I think you would either have

869
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 1: to pick the Seahawks or the Texans as a team

870
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: to make a playoff run. That's fair. That's yeah. That

871
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: that those defense both kind of being the stories of

872
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: the season or big storylines in the season. All right,

873
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: let's go one more time? Will then West Brent Sun

874
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: hit us with, well, so the biggest revelation of TEA

875
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: for me versus seen is that I'm off this Charger's bandwagon.

876
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: And man, does it feel so freaking I mean, I

877
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: was this No, yeah, I said that, I was. I

878
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: was like I said, I was renouncing my Chargers pick

879
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: after the I think it was the Jason Varrette a

880
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: C L tear. It's just it's not worth anymore. Like

881
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: I'm maybe it's maybe it's my bad juju, or like

882
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: maybe it's me and Philip Rivers. You know both were

883
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: NC State at the same time, so it's probably it

884
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: probably is the bad juju coming from Innsy State. Like

885
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: it's it's totally possible. Um, And so I decided to

886
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 1: renounce my Chargers pick. I ended up. UM. I guess

887
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: you can't say this because it's an NFL dot com podcast,

888
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: But like, I have a friend. I had a friend

889
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: who went and and wagered on the Chiefs to win

890
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: the division out in Las Vegas. Uh, and on the

891
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: Chiefs over and so I'm rooting for my friend to

892
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: win and so so therefore I'm I'm inherently rooting for

893
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. And I picked the Chiefs to go to

894
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: the super Bowl. And it feels so much better. Like

895
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: it's it's like if I teach my four year old

896
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: son to be um to like like to be a

897
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: Carolina basketball fan and save an NCY State basketball fan,

898
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: like he just just doesn't know anything but winning, Like

899
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: that's just mean and it's and it's just the Chiefs

900
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,959
Speaker 1: are just better coached. I don't have to worry about

901
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: these stupid Chargers losses every September. I know they beat

902
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: the I know they beat the Bills this past week,

903
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: but they're gonna, you know, get run over by the

904
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: Rams and and I gotta yeah, I'm on board of

905
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: this chief's idea and it's it's fun to be ahead

906
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: of the curve on the Patrick Mahomes bandwagon easily, um,

907
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: one of the two or three best stories in the

908
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: first two weeks. Chris Cortiani and Rodney Monroe called you're

909
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: out of the club, your person and on God, yeah,

910
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: I think this smart move because I don't think there's this.

911
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a reality where the Chargers stick

912
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: it to you and win a Super Bowl. The charge

913
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: is always gonna Charger and you just don't want to

914
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 1: be involved with that. Why should you be, right exactly, Like, look,

915
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: I'm here from Philip Rivers winning Super Bowl. It would

916
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: be awesome. Um yeah, it would, it would. It would

917
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: be highlighted and like he's one of my five favorite

918
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: athletes to ever watch up there with um, you know,

919
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: other notable like like like Phil Mickelson and John Schmaltz

920
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,439
Speaker 1: and Greg Maddox. I mean, but like Rivers, right, yeah,

921
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: but the white dudes, Yeah right, exactly and it would

922
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: be awesome to get to that. Yeah, can we unpack that? Um?

923
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 1: All right, so that's all you need to do. Well,

924
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: now you're good, grous Nixon Bix States driving that bandwagon

925
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,919
Speaker 1: and I'm like just in the passenger seat deciding whether

926
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: to open the door and roll out. But so far,

927
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: I'm all, I'm along for the ride. We'll see what happens.

928
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: But I think they are playoff teams too well. I

929
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: do too. I think they need to get Joey Bosa

930
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: back in a big way. I agree with you on

931
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 1: the Derwin James hype there West. This guy is he's

932
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: so special. Watching him as a as a freshman at

933
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 1: Florida State, he can play like eight out of eleven

934
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: positions the ball and he's a and he's a freaking safety.

935
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: So I'm excited for that. Uh take us home, West.

936
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: The catch rules fixed, that's different? Uh? Or have we

937
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,959
Speaker 1: just not had the controversial play yet that exposes it?

938
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: It makes sense. It's just that all of the confusion

939
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 1: that went into that labyrinthine rule that nobody can figure

940
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: out and there was no clarity. That's now the you

941
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: can't sack a quarterback role. That's what's changed to me

942
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: about two eighteen And I'm a little miffed about it

943
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: that you have rules and nobody The catch roy always

944
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,720
Speaker 1: bothered me because it's not just the fans who don't understand.

945
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: The players and coaches don't understand what the rule is.

946
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: And now this rule, the Clay Matthews hit. I didn't

947
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: watch it when we talked about it Sunday during the

948
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: after the game. I'm really miffed about this. I have

949
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: no idea what a defender is supposed to do. So

950
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: you either have to change the rule and make quarterbacks

951
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: off limits like kickers and punters after they throw the ball,

952
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: you just can't hit them, or you have to allow

953
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: them to hit them in the mid section. And I don't.

954
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. So to me, all

955
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 1: of the confusion was on the catch rule. This rule

956
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 1: is now equally as confusing. It's just a different rule

957
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: that that's different. Isn't that annoying though? It's it's just

958
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: like you closed one door, or like the what's the

959
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: thing where the one of those stupid things in the

960
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: ground and the animals the whackable the whackable situation. Why

961
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 1: do we have to have a whackable scenario. You know

962
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: what really gets its role? Yeah, exactly, you know what

963
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: really whacker roll? I like that was what really annoys

964
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,959
Speaker 1: me is not only did the Clay Matthews penalty? Should

965
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: that have never happened? Instead of the NFL owning it

966
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: and being like, listen, we're trying to teach these guys

967
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: not to go for the head, do not go for

968
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks knees uh on their legs, and then you

969
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 1: flag a guy for taking a guy down in the

970
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: mid section area, and then you stand behind it and

971
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: double down and say this is what we're gonna use

972
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: as a teaching tool display uh, you know for future seasons.

973
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: That to me just makes it all the more frustrating, like,

974
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: how do you not see that that is not a

975
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: way to enforce rules. There's there's an extra layer of

976
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: frustration for me because following sports for the last thirty years,

977
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: the NFL was always at the vanguard of positive change

978
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 1: to make the game more entertaining, to make to advance

979
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: the game. And just over the last five years, the

980
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: rule changes have made the game worse. I think, and

981
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 1: it's and I get the safety rules you're always gonna

982
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: have to do that, but either make him off limits

983
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 1: or don't. But there has to be clarity and rules.

984
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,479
Speaker 1: Your thoughts, well, well I got two thoughts on it. One.

985
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 1: Why did you wait until a week three two or

986
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: like week to to to issue this teaching tape? This

987
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: is something you have seven frigging months of the off

988
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: season to to let these guys know, you all these

989
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: we have go to these owners meetings like seven times

990
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: a year. The owners have to fly in private jets

991
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: to go to meet together talk about the rules and

992
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: debate the rules and debate you know, national anthem policies.

993
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: And we can't sit down and have the competition committee

994
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: hammer out what is going to be roughing the past

995
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: room and what isn't. So that way, you know, at

996
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: practice and at you know, training camp, they can train

997
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: and practice these techniques and get them instituted amongst the teams.

998
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: And to to slide this Aaron Rodgers thing in the

999
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: last second without really talking about it, after they slid

1000
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: the helmet rule in under under the vail of darkness,

1001
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: and then to drop this this bomb on on everybody

1002
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: and saying no, this is this perfectly form tackle is

1003
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,439
Speaker 1: going to be illegal on you know, in between week

1004
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: two and three is very discouraging, I will say. Um,

1005
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: Ad Von Miller on my podcast on Wednesday, the Pixix Podcast,

1006
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: heard about that that's a good game. Will well, yeah,

1007
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: he was promoting old spice. Um, that's fine. Uh wait,

1008
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: did you get the old spice plug in at the

1009
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: top or did you wait till the bottom until he

1010
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: got really aunty whether or not it was gonna come. Oh. Always,

1011
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: I always wait to the end. Always, Like it's toying

1012
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: with the pr people, you know. Well, the worst is

1013
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: when they jump in there like excuse me, we need

1014
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: to get to It's like, hey, pal let me run

1015
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: the show, get back in the cabin. But but yeah,

1016
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: but Von pointed out, I thought this is fascinating. He

1017
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: said that he has taught himself or his his goal

1018
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: when he gets into the pocket to go to the

1019
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: quarterback is to focus on the ball. So like in

1020
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: the situation with Cousins, he wouldn't have gone low at Cousin.

1021
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 1: He would have gone high after the ball trying to

1022
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 1: knock it down. And I think that you can even though,

1023
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 1: like if Clay Matthews said, like launch his helmet at

1024
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: at high and it hit Kirk Cousins or something that

1025
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 1: would have gone south and he would gotten flag for it.

1026
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: But if he'd thrown his arms up and Dovid Kirk

1027
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: Cousin's arm while the ball was still there, I bet

1028
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: he doesn't get flag. So I I disagree with the rule,

1029
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: but I thought that Von made an interesting point that

1030
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: if you were constantly seeking out the ball as a defender,

1031
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: you're probably not likely to get a flag. Well, kudos

1032
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: to the Pick six podcast on this one, because that

1033
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: is an interesting point. And maybe we will see because

1034
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 1: you put this out there with von Miller, maybe other

1035
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,760
Speaker 1: defenders will hear this and start altering their sex style.

1036
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 1: Chris Westling, will you write an NFL dot com post

1037
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: about the Pick six podcast interview with von Miller? I

1038
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: was signing work. I've already got seventeen jobs. I don't

1039
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: need an eighteen. Well, you're delightful. We love you, and

1040
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 1: it's not just because you can hang with us when

1041
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 1: we belly up to the bar at these various League

1042
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 1: of UH. In fact, Will is a leader when at

1043
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: these events. He's like, he's like the pie piper you

1044
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: could count on Will. This is the thing I love

1045
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 1: about Will Uh. Despite his excellent football knowledge. He's one

1046
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 1: of those studs that at these league events that it

1047
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: does involve, there's a social aspect to it, and people

1048
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: go out and they'll tie one on and have a

1049
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: good time. Will is that guy when you get to

1050
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 1: radio row the next morning and you're feeling not too well.

1051
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: Will he's clearly he's wearing his Oxford shirt and and

1052
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: he looks his hair is fine, and he's doing a

1053
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 1: live hit for CBS, and and Will's the guy that like,

1054
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how hard he goes the night before.

1055
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 1: That guy's locked in the next morning. And I always

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Speaker 1: respected that about you. Will. Thanks. I wait huge last night.

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Speaker 1: If I've seen Will doubled over in laughter at some

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Speaker 1: Absessler's bits when he gets bound up so well. The

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Speaker 1: last the last time we hung out we were it

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Speaker 1: was it was in Orlando with the owners. We've talked

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Speaker 1: about this incident, but it was Dan. It was me,

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Speaker 1: Dan and Mark like hanging late at the bar. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you guys are flying up the next morning. It's when

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Speaker 1: Mark slid into that little the group with it's like

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Speaker 1: Doug Baron and Sean Payne and I don't know, I

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Speaker 1: was just watching for distance like, Mark, what are you doing?

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Speaker 1: He just had his hands up with a big smile. Um,

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Speaker 1: all right. Will Brinson fall on on Twitter at Will

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Speaker 1: Brinson a great follow. He's a senior NFL writer for

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Speaker 1: CBS Sports and yes, the Pick six Pod, which is

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Speaker 1: a daily NFL podcast, So subscribe to that iTunes or

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcast. Thank you, Will, You're the man.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Will. Here guys and there he goes Will Brinson.

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Speaker 1: Love that guy. Uh we are. We have come to

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Speaker 1: the end of another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: We will be back tomorrow late tomorrow night with a

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Speaker 1: recap of Browns and Jets and then a pre a

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Speaker 1: pre view of all of the week three games as

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Speaker 1: we are wanting to do. So that's it. They get

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Speaker 1: well soon to Mark Sessler. Uh and uh, let us go.

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Speaker 1: This is Dan Hands signing up. Four The Mailman, Lindsay Rhodes,

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Speaker 1: Kardashian accent, the Brin Bomb, and the loose cannon behind

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Speaker 1: the Glass Still Thursday,