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Speaker 1: The show goes on. This is the official show on

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Speaker 1: the fish on First podcast channel with me Eli Sussman,

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Speaker 1: the founder of phish on First, providing complete coverage of

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Speaker 1: yours Miami Marlins. Sounds weird to say, It's never been

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Speaker 1: an intro quite like that. First off. If you're enjoying

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Speaker 1: in general our new YouTube products that we're putting together

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Speaker 1: on YouTube in addition to of course wherever you get

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Speaker 1: and the new mothership of all of our contents is

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Speaker 1: fish on First. That's what I'm recording this late night

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Speaker 1: emergency pod to discuss that this is the end of

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Speaker 1: my time with fish Stripes for the first time in

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Speaker 1: about seven years, having no connection to the site after

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Speaker 1: about five years as the man in charge, we have

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Speaker 1: split up with sp Nation to go out on our

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Speaker 1: our own way with full editorial control on fish on First.

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Speaker 1: Just wanted to talk a few minutes just reflecting on

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Speaker 1: this transition, why it's happening now, why I felt it

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Speaker 1: the next steps and what things look like moving forward here.

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Speaker 1: As I mentioned seven years with fish Stripes, I think

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Speaker 1: early portion of twenty eighteen. Simply put, we reached a

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Speaker 1: And i' mean part of that is just esp Nation

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Speaker 1: itself and their parent company, Vox Media, kind of losing

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Speaker 1: the pulse on what they were intended to do in

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Speaker 1: the first place, was setting up this entire blog network.

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Speaker 1: Fish Stripes has been around for over eighteen years, and

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Speaker 1: similar to the way that it has looked in recent years,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if there's going to be any new

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Speaker 1: And as the years have gone on, it turns out

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