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Speaker 1: I could not be more excited about this new addition

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Speaker 1: to the Forever Dog podcast Network. They are our sisters,

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Speaker 1: they are are judies. It's Sydney Washington and Marie Houston

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Speaker 1: and the Unofficial Expert is now on Forever Dog Podcast Network.

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Speaker 1: And you are gags. We're so so so thrilled, and

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Speaker 1: you are gags. You are you are a listener? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm talking to you driving your car, you on the subway,

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Speaker 1: for the dishwashers, aren't you. Sydney and Marie are truly

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Speaker 1: like two of the most charismatic, charming, funny people you can.

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Speaker 1: I could listen to them talk all day. If you

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Speaker 1: love sex and dating podcasts, comedy podcast or Forever Dog

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Speaker 1: podcasts like Glass Culture is does an seek Treatment, You're

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Speaker 1: going to love the Unofficial Expert. So basically what happens

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Speaker 1: on the Unofficial Expert is Sydney and Marie will sit

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Speaker 1: down with comedians and you know, people have notes who

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Speaker 1: claimed to be experts in very specific fields like flirting, porn,

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Speaker 1: daddy issues, online dating, cookouts, stalking. I went on and

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Speaker 1: I was the Hollywood Expert and it's just they just

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Speaker 1: shoot the ship about these things that they're experts in.

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Speaker 1: I went on, I was the travel expert. It was

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Speaker 1: a completely aimless conversation that still managed to be compelling.

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Speaker 1: We love aimless, We love aimless. Sidney and Marie are unapologetic, exciting,

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Speaker 1: incredibly funny and you need to get to know them

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Speaker 1: and they're hilarious, honest comedy asap. Yeah, you probably heard

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Speaker 1: their episode on Lost Culture Recess. It was so fun,

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Speaker 1: so fun, and I think maybe we should even do

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Speaker 1: some crossover episodes with that, maybe trade up. So subscribe

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Speaker 1: to the Unofficial Expert right now at Apple podcast or

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. Oh hi, it's Bowen here

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Speaker 1: and I have to have to have to tell you

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Speaker 1: about our next I don't think so many live show

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Speaker 1: here in New York as part of the Brooklyn Comedy

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Speaker 1: Festival on September two at seven pm at Brooklyn Bazaar,

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Speaker 1: one Green Point Avenue in Brooklyn. It's gonna be so fun. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The unofficial theme of this one is legends all we're

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Speaker 1: doing some of we're doing all vet's basically people who

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Speaker 1: for what it is it's gonna be so fun. We're

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Speaker 1: so excited. Fifty comedians and here's a first look at

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Speaker 1: the lineup. We've got your allegiends, We've got your Larry Owen's,

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Speaker 1: your na Fit Brigas. You're Catherine Cohen's, Aaron Jackson's, Julio Torres,

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Speaker 1: is Metro Jahres, Peter Smith, Francesca Ramsey her first time

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Speaker 1: doing it live. You cannot miss this, oh and Cola Scola,

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Speaker 1: Dwayne Perk and Sarah Toolemas Pat Regan daw It's gonna

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Speaker 1: be so so so fun again. That's September twenty two

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Speaker 1: at seven pm at Brooklyn Bazaar as part of the

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Speaker 1: Brooklyn Comedy Festival. Can't wait, see you there forever? Look

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Speaker 1: How is that nulture? Yeah? Goodness? Wells ding don lost

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Speaker 1: culturestas calling and look at us recording on on Day

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Speaker 1: the Lord's Day, I asked HPJ Hot producer jam I said,

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Speaker 1: do you normally come in on sandcy Goes? Yeah, basically

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Speaker 1: you come in every day, don't you. We gotta we

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Speaker 1: gotta do like a little I don't know, lifestyle clinic

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Speaker 1: with with Joe because he's got to like claim the

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Speaker 1: time for himself and not Maybe this work a holic.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we need to do a whole Patreon series which

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Speaker 1: is the life of Joe HPJ and just really so

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Speaker 1: the listeners can really get to see the glimpse behind

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Speaker 1: the man. Yes, behind the hot facade. And I want

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Speaker 1: to say, your desk looks fucking incredible. It's a Marie

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Speaker 1: Condo dream. You clean to that desk You got in

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Speaker 1: I haven't even seen that for just been there for

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Speaker 1: all the clutter. Well, um, but first of all, Terrible

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Speaker 1: of New York magazine loves hot producer content. This is

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Speaker 1: hot producer content right here. Nothing but he's saying nothing.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, but just everyone, if you want to give

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Speaker 1: and eyebust friend. Yeah, yeah, my best friend is doing

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Speaker 1: the monologues at askat tonight and wonderful and then we're

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Speaker 1: gonna do that and then we're gonna go say deluge

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Speaker 1: the Buddy Cole Monologs at Joe's Pub. He just finished

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Speaker 1: the honorable Scott Thompson very much. Well, it's an honor

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Speaker 1: now do you think that Buddy has kind of stayed

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Speaker 1: already started to play women, but very differently. But once

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Speaker 1: I came aboard that really that really because for me

424
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Speaker 1: it was for them, was a huge deal for me,

425
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 1: like it's gay man. I'm like, it's natural for me

426
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: to like play a woman play a man. I don't

427
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 1: see any I just I don't really see the big

428
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 1: difference of course, half my characters are women. That's going,

429
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 1: that's natural, and so that that that kind of they

430
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 1: took that on in a way, and I in a

431
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 1: strange way are their acceptance of homosexuality and um, cross

432
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 1: dressing and all the rest of the things that we

433
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 1: did became a punk thing, a punk thing, you know

434
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like it became like like a fuck you.

435
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 1: And and two guys that were so home it was

436
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 1: like like they would kiss each other and that was

437
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: a really fuck you to two men, to to basic society.

438
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: And so they realized that this was a kind of

439
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: a way to rebel and and so but then once

440
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Speaker 1: I was a boar, it was about six months. One

441
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 1: night they took me out. They they said, they said

442
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 1: they made up a song. They sang me a song

443
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: and said you're in the kids in the hall, and

444
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 1: that was it. And that was it. And I took

445
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 1: the key, I swallowed it, and known was ever getting

446
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: back in again. And I knew that that was it.

447
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: I was like I was blowing that entrance up because

448
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 1: I was no one was getting it, and I knew

449
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 1: this was it for life. And so and we're still

450
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 1: together and we're still talking a reboot, and you know,

451
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: so it is exciting, exciting, but just the fact that

452
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: you had to be in this proving ground for a

453
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: while is you know, and it it still exists, of course,

454
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 1: And you know what, I think, there's like, who was

455
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: I just I was just saying yesterday I got on

456
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: the phone because someone wanted to talk to get my

457
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 1: take on the hand a goad speak situation, and I

458
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: like calling it a situation. It's better than calling it

459
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: a comedy special. Well, it's become this whole thing now

460
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: where it's like, you know, I just feel like there's

461
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: there's the special and you can have your thoughts on

462
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: the special. Everyone has their thoughts on the special. But

463
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 1: then it's so funny to me that like that there's

464
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: this whole thing of like, well, you know, she shouldn't

465
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: even be up there on the stage. It's like, Okay,

466
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Speaker 1: you don't like it, you don't like it, But for

467
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: her to get up there and be able to do

468
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 1: what she's doing, like, it's harder for her than you

469
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 1: straight white dudes can ever conceive of it, because you've

470
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: never had to have a second thought about walking into

471
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Speaker 1: a room and taking up all the space as yourself

472
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: whereas there's everyone else in the world, and it's just

473
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 1: like it's so it's so different, like to walk in

474
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Speaker 1: and have have to filter yourself and it takes such

475
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 1: a long time. It's just it's such a you know,

476
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 1: so I'm not surprised to hear that even though these

477
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: guys seem so open minded, it was still a process.

478
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: And because they are their man, they're straight man, their

479
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 1: products of their time, you know, they could you know,

480
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: you have to let people. Everyone's like on a journey.

481
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 1: You can't, you know, you know, I mean, people shouldn't

482
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: be judged by the way they were ten years ago.

483
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: For years ago, that's society. And most people just follow

484
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: the you know, what everyone's society tells them to do,

485
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: and they didn't know any better. And and you know,

486
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: but I have not they they we all learned together

487
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: and I had things to learn as well. But I

488
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: think what helped me was I come from a family

489
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: of five boys, so I understood how males behave in

490
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: a in a group, and I know how to I

491
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: guess I'm a fighter, and that was very important. And

492
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: I mean it might not be policuarly correct to say it,

493
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: but I think one of the things that made them

494
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: except me was they knew that if it got into

495
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: a scrap, I could hurt all of them very badly.

496
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 1: I feel that I could. Oh I think you'd be

497
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: like we would you go ratchy would Yeah? I would. Oh.

498
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: Gay rage once it's unleashed, I'm sorry. Oh, it's the worst.

499
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: It's the worst because it's it's even because these people,

500
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: these people there, they their rage is so close to

501
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: the surface and they love it and they nurture it,

502
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: we bury it. So when it comes roaring up, it's

503
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: like a vein of lab that's come from the center

504
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: of the earth. Their vein of lava is just under

505
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: the surface, like right under Oh look at this piece

506
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: of loan. Look there's that lava right under it, said loan.

507
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: But you know, but I think gay rage is it

508
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: is a terrifying thing. I actually I've been writing characters

509
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: recently again, and what I'm realizing is it's easiest for

510
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: me to operate in a place of anger, and it's

511
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: actually like well not actually know, not any strong emotion.

512
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: Like a few of the things I've been writing lately,

513
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I can't do these on a set

514
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: together because everyone's screaming, everyone's mad and pissed, and I

515
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: was just like, what is that? I think, what is

516
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: that like? Sort of like I think maybe it's a

517
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: couple of things. It's observing that kind of like very available,

518
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: like masculinity in the world earlier. Absolutely, and I think

519
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: with gay men particularly, I think one of the reasons

520
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: why I've had why I've struggled with my temper and

521
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: why I have such a close relationship to rage, one

522
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: of the things is I made this very terrible connection

523
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: as a child between rage and masculinity, and I felt

524
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: so you know that, I felt so demasculineized that I thought, Wow,

525
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: I can't be a complete faggot because I'm scary to fight. Yes, yes,

526
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: which is not a great connection. That's that's that's the MATHO.

527
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 1: You know what's normalized. You're so insane. This is normalized.

528
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: The thing of screaming at a television set because the

529
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 1: sports team you do you like, like, that's true, normalize

530
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: normal What a crazy behave? Don't you scream at the

531
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: TV when the raw? Yes? I didn't always do. Let

532
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: me tell you something. I don't care if she deserves

533
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: it or not. If lady Gaga doesn't win this year,

534
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: I'm furious. I want to burn the whole Oscars down.

535
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: Lady Gaga should win Best Act. Have you seen it yet? No, No,

536
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: I've seen the trailer that we're talking about. I'm saying

537
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: it's because I know that she's close to the queer

538
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: and you know what, this isn't another thing. And I

539
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: want to get your take on this too. Did you

540
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: ever find that, like it was almost harder to root

541
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: for the people that were closest to you because the

542
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: spaces that were the SCEs. The more I love someone

543
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: the more the more difficult it is for me to

544
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: tell them that or to praise them, because I was

545
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: raised in a way with my parents that you know

546
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: that it spoils people, that if you get too much praise,

547
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: it will spoil you. And so it's hard for me.

548
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: I've learned. I've tried very hard because I was going

549
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I think they did a great job.

550
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to tell them because I don't get soft.

551
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: I'm specifically talking about gay men though, Oh gay men

552
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,719
Speaker 1: are the worst. I'm just gonna say that a blanket statement.

553
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: We're the worst to each other, just terrible, We've had

554
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: such a good experience because our our our friends in

555
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: the New York queer comedy kind of we're very supportive.

556
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: But then you go on to l a those games

557
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: are not supportive. But I mean, this is the thing.

558
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: I think there are changes happening, but you guys know,

559
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: as gay comics, we still have a ceiling. There's no

560
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,719
Speaker 1: they're not one of us has become a star. There

561
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: has never been a gay mail, openly gay mail comedy star.

562
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: Absolutely ever, there are no no one on Netflix never

563
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: and I and one of the reasons is us because

564
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: we do not support other gay man, not unless they're

565
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: in drag or they're a prostitute, a hustler or porn

566
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: stark hot even whatever, because we worship dumb and hot

567
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: and young. But if your talent, no, because every gay

568
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: man thinks they're a star, right, I'm like, I'm funny too. No,

569
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: you're not bitch, And I didn't mean to say bitch,

570
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: but I just want the favorite word. But I mean,

571
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: but you know, like people people assume they go you're

572
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: you're shows must be filled with gay man. I go

573
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: hardly a couple like I have. You know, I have

574
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: a tiny gay following, but very small. It's overwhelmingly straight people.

575
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: But we don't support ourselves. So how can a community

576
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: that doesn't support, that isn't supported by its community ever

577
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: supposed to reach that level? Like all we do is

578
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: support women, like we just will not go see a

579
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: male gay mail make us laugh, only a woman. And

580
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of tragic, is you know? It's

581
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: not even a thing of like there's not enough. There's

582
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: not enough support to go around, because the women deserve

583
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: the support that we give them. But also they got

584
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: Scott Scott right, got enough, you know what? You know what, No,

585
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: don't top it up. You're filled to the brim, you

586
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: know what. In fact, I see your meniscus, I see you.

587
00:31:51,760 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: You know Daddy Zealand we thought she was over, No,

588
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: she was bad. She's bad and good for her. I'm

589
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: just kidding. I did you mentioned this? You mentioned may

590
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: actually one thing before It sounds like I've completely sunk

591
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: into bitterness, which the idea that I am starting to

592
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: see gay man coming. There's always been a few gay men,

593
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: gay men of my generation and below well who followed

594
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: the kids in the hall. But now I'm starting to

595
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: see young ones like you guys that are coming, and

596
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: that thrills me to death because I'm like going, maybe

597
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: they're going, maybe this generation might be able to not

598
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: hate themselves so deeply. I want you to know that

599
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: that it's changing. I I want you to know from me,

600
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: from my heart that it's changing. And I and I know,

601
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: and you know what I mean, Like I love like

602
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: all of our friends, and I think everyone's so talented,

603
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: and you know, it's just and that doesn't that's not

604
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: lost on us because we because we have like in

605
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: years past, like come up against that thing where it's like, oh,

606
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: we're not getting that support it from within our own community.

607
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: But well, I hope, I do hope that now it

608
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: is changing and we'll be told and we'll be told

609
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: things like, well, you know, we couldn't get so and

610
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: so and so we asked this person and they couldn't

611
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: do it, and and you know, then we asked you

612
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: and of course there's only the one spot in this

613
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: cast for one of you, and things like that, and

614
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: people don't understand like what they're really saying, or they

615
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: think that we know it and so they can they can.

616
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: It's just like it's this idea of like you know

617
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: when you do these things, when you set up these situations,

618
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: we go back to each other and we commiserate about

619
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: it and you're actually the joke and it will turn,

620
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: it will it will change. I think that you're right.

621
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: We still have a little bit have that disease of um,

622
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: this this thing of unless unless a gay man is

623
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: in drag, they cannot become a star. No man, no

624
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: one is out there finger waving for I mean, I

625
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: guess James Adman brand are just not. And it's like

626
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: I go, if if Buddy wore a dressed I'd be

627
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: a superstar. Who I mean? And wait, he has, he has,

628
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Speaker 1: You mentioned this in a Village Voice interview recently, and

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686
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Speaker 1: the time, I thought, oh my god, once people get

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Speaker 1: a load of what I'm doing, and once the gay

689
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Speaker 1: community sees what I'm doing, I'm my feet are never

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Speaker 1: gonna touch the ground. I'm gonna be carried on a

691
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Speaker 1: litter by gay man. Every gay man I want to sleep,

692
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Speaker 1: we will just go what do you want to do

693
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Speaker 1: to me? And they chake my arm. It just didn't happen,

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Speaker 1: and it was like such a huge fall from me,

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Speaker 1: and it broke my heart, Like I went, not only

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Speaker 1: did it not happen, the opposite happened, and that broke

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Speaker 1: my heart. In fact, not only did people not support,

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Speaker 1: but there was this concerted effort I really believe to

699
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: stop me and and a lot of gay men doing it.

700
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Speaker 1: And that broke my heart. See. But then like just

701
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Speaker 1: I read that quote and I and that that upset

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Speaker 1: me in this way where I was like, I want

703
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: to correct I don't have the power or whatever the

704
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: influence to do this, but I want to correct that somehow.

705
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Speaker 1: Like I like we were telling people, we were telling

706
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Speaker 1: our close friends like, oh, you've Scott Thompson on this

707
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: Sunday and they lit up there like, oh my god,

708
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: what a huge deal. Like they're like, at least at

709
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Speaker 1: least you always will have I think you should be

710
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Speaker 1: you don't have that respect? Yeah, I think I think

711
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: you can like dine on on that for that. And

712
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: I'll tell you the other thing. It's not like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I didn't. It's not like I was broke or anything,

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Speaker 1: and I've coppled together a career and I've done whatever

716
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Speaker 1: I had to do. As I thought, why can't I

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Speaker 1: go to the next level? And I and I'll be honest,

718
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: there was a period in my life when I was

719
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: consumed by bitterness consumed and then I got sick. Man,

720
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Speaker 1: I went, this isn't killing me. You think it was

721
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: part of it? Absolutely? Wow, I absolutely do so and

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Speaker 1: so now and now it's true, like I'm going and

723
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: I meant, but when I was young, and I'm with

724
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 1: Paul Baldy, who's like, you know, when you're when you're

725
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: an old man, maybe that's when people will get and

726
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: I'm not old yet, but I'm you know, I'm not

727
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: young anymore. But I thought, yeah, maybe I have to wait,

728
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: but I didn't want to wait. Yeah, I mean, yeah,

729
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: Now here's another question. It's like, of course there's this

730
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Speaker 1: jealousy aspect. You know, gay men, like I think a

731
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,800
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732
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733
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Speaker 1: these actresses and prop stars and glamorous singers and divas

734
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Speaker 1: and icons, and when we see that one of us

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Speaker 1: gets close to that, I think, of course there is

736
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Speaker 1: that thing of jealousy. But do you also think that

737
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Speaker 1: a part of it is protection and wanting to be like, well,

738
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Speaker 1: that he's going to tell that story and then everyone's

739
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: gonna think that's all of our stories. Yes. Absolutely, It's

740
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 1: like I think a lot of the reason many people

741
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: in the gay community did not like me and continue

742
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 1: did not like me, was that it was a sense

743
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: of like, oh, he's he's spilling secrets, he's telling about

744
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: the darkness, he's you know and everybody and I think that,

745
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,959
Speaker 1: and they're like, how dare he? He's making us look bad?

746
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: And so they didn't. They didn't like that. It's hard

747
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Speaker 1: to have a sense of humor about yourself when you've

748
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Speaker 1: been attacked by I guess like the straight man for

749
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Speaker 1: so long. So then they see like, uh, look, he's

750
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Speaker 1: proving them right, and they because we can't see ourselves

751
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Speaker 1: as these comedic creatures. And I think that's one of

752
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: the reasons I think gay men love female comics so much,

753
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: is because female comics feed our delusion that we're fabulous.

754
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 1: They'll see all of our dysfunction and our ugliness and go,

755
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: it's so fabulous that they're cheating on each other, How

756
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Speaker 1: fabulous that they overdosed or whatever. And I mean they

757
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: feed our delusion. It's an external validation, yes, and they're all,

758
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: you're all so fabulous boys, Like when pathy my my

759
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: gaze or whatever, it's like, you know what, I mean

760
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: like and and and I don't do that. I'm like, no,

761
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: we're it's screwed up, maybe more screwed up than anywhere.

762
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: And I don't take any prisoners. And I don't spare

763
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna like spare gay people because you know, like, well,

764
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: I don't want people to know how screwed up we are,

765
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: because that's not what comedy does. Comedy is about approaching

766
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: the darkness, bringing stuff out into the light and letting

767
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: people look at it. That's the kind of comedy that

768
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: I love. And God's not that scary. So but you

769
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Speaker 1: got I mean, for a gay man in my general

770
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: what the darkness was, it was definitely the nasgool We're

771
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: at the door, like on the list. Look you're not

772
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Speaker 1: on the list. Look. Uh there was this I mentioned this. Uh,

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Speaker 1: I mean this might have been when we talked about

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Speaker 1: crazy jations on patron But there's this article that came out,

775
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: uh this this right up, this whatever think piece that

776
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Speaker 1: said it's time to forgive the Joy Luck Club And

777
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Speaker 1: it was all about how for twenty five years, the

778
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Speaker 1: Joy Luck Club was the only thing that because Asian

779
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Speaker 1: people turn their backs on it. They were like, this

780
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: does not represent us. This, This is not who we are.

781
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: This is such a specific experience that does not represent

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00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 1: the entire exactly. And this is the thing about being first,

783
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Speaker 1: or being the only thing that's representative of a community

784
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: or or an experiences that you cannot be saddled with

785
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: all of this expectation and this responsibility, and um, god,

786
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: like it sucks that it just there always has to

787
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Speaker 1: be I'm not saying that this was you, but there

788
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: always has to be that one thing that is the

789
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: pincushion for everyone else's bullshit. Like I think, I think

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00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: that's what we have to sort of get past. And

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00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: like I think in order to write this, like we

792
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: have to just sort of like honor the like the

793
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: like like those things in the past. And I don't know,

794
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 1: and it's a conscious decision to change that way of thinking,

795
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. This thing that represents you

796
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: is not attacking your killing. It doesn't occupy one space.

797
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: And I think if there's something that's good about like

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00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: the way that the entertainment industry has expanded in social

799
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: media and all these like different kind of spaces, is

800
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: now there is so much room and so many platforms,

801
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: you gotta fill it. With something and and there's only

802
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: so many of these like voices that have filled the

803
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 1: you know, previously small spaces. And now that's like if

804
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: you want, if you want gay content, there are networks

805
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 1: for that where that where that is obviously they should

806
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: be on every network. But you know, like it's something

807
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it's it's a mind funck speaking

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Speaker 1: of speaking of that, sort of speaking of sort of

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Speaker 1: this fox the mind, the mind speaking of content. I

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Speaker 1: guess well, we we ask all of our guests this question,

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Speaker 1: which is what was the culture that made you say

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00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: culture is for me? Matt? Do you want to explain that?

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00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: The questions? Okay, so this is um, you know, this

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Speaker 1: is the It could be a movie, it could be

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Speaker 1: a piece of music, could be a particular person in culture,

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Speaker 1: or just like you know, just your some own things,

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00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: an upbringing that culturally made you to say, Okay, this

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Speaker 1: is who I am. I'm stepping into culture as me

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00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: and it was this defining thing that made me that way?

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Speaker 1: You mean, like, what do you mean? I like for

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Speaker 1: people that have different kinds of answers to this question,

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Speaker 1: For example, on any given deck, it's say growing up

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00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,719
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824
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Speaker 1: I really got obsessed with the reality show Survivor and

825
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 1: that made me the person I am, like whatever things like,

826
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Speaker 1: like were you even like a Canadian upbringing? For example,

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Speaker 1: right y, yeah, yeah, what about you and your Canadian upbringing?

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Speaker 1: Was there anything specifically Canadian? Specifically Canadian? It was it

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Speaker 1: was Selene for me because it was it was going

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Speaker 1: going on field trips to that church and really it

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Speaker 1: affected us to having a teacher well of course, but

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Speaker 1: having in Quebec. It was like but on field trips,

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Speaker 1: like the teacher would be like this is where Selene

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Speaker 1: got married, and we'd be like wow, oh like that

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Speaker 1: was that just reminded me of Ada. Seeing here you

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Speaker 1: did fucking amazing interview. I had some incredible jokes about that.

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Speaker 1: Twink really the first twink, first twink? Really, the first

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Speaker 1: twin first? I guess River Phoenix was the first twink.

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Speaker 1: Are the first twink in the contemporary man? You know what?

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Speaker 1: You can go back through twinks throughout absolutely James Twink

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Speaker 1: Cavagio paintings exactly. Hercules and Newt was the first centaur, yes,

844
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Speaker 1: you know, and then David the Finer. Yeah, I guess,

845
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: you know, I guess when I comedy, I would say

846
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: Carol Burnett maybe Flip Wilson. Those were my two totems

847
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 1: of common footballs made me laugh like crazy. And he

848
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: played Geraldine and he played female and male character. I

849
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: loved him and you connected with that just so with

850
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: Geraldine and Carol Burnett, those are my too. It wasn't

851
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 1: even stand ups really because I I wasn't. Really I didn't.

852
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: I didn't have stand up albums or anything like that.

853
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 1: It wasn't even like a music. It was actually books

854
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: for me, books I get from me. I'm a huge reader.

855
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe would have been

856
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: another one Narnia favorite book in the series. Um, Prince

857
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: Caspian okay, yeah, kind of like I think Prince Canspy

858
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 1: was a first literary twink, Yeah, literary twink power first time,

859
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 1: Tom Sawyer, Tom Sawyer, Prince Tasman was the first Christian

860
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: allegory right right? Yeah? Who else the twink Huck Finn

861
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: or Tom Sawyer, Tom Sawyer Okay, Tom Sawyer is the

862
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: first piece of white trash. Hot hot white trash, hot

863
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: white trash. Yeah, absolutely hot white trash, hot white trash.

864
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: Didn't j T T play Tom Sawyer, Justin Taylor, Jonathan Taylor,

865
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: Thomas another twink, another nineties twink and Finn. Yeah, yeah,

866
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 1: tried to sex up the Huckleberry Finn novel. You don't

867
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: need to. It's all there. I got a revisit. I

868
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: reread every couple of years. God, wait, what are your like?

869
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: What are your big revisiting books? I mean, how often

870
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: do you reread something? Not a lot, but that's definitely

871
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: I do go back to the Narnia books, which is

872
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: you know, and I've read Lord of the Rings three times. Um,

873
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: I've read three times a real nerd. So then yeah,

874
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: you love your fantasy, love a science and to see

875
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,919
Speaker 1: the chrysalids like sort of stuff. You're a star Wars queen.

876
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 1: No see look Skywalker, that's a twink, very much a twink. Yeah,

877
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: I dig aus. I don't like twinks. I found him

878
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 1: bland for me. It was all but Harrison Ford, you know,

879
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: I always like man like. I was like Liz Taylor,

880
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: I like all my men forty Yeah, you know what

881
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: I mean. She's always been forty. He's still forty to

882
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: this day. She liked man at forty when she was twenty.

883
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: She like man that were forty when she was sixty.

884
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm Liz Taylor, but said I love

885
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: that's what you said. Okay, I did say. You said

886
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 1: say I might say, look look at me. I can't.

887
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: I can't hide my violet eyes. Your oscar for Butterfield Day,

888
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: you brought it with you. Yeah, it's here, it's on

889
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: the table. Everyone knows. Everyone knows. This one's bullshit. It's

890
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: not the one I deserved it for. Oh, you can

891
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,760
Speaker 1: make an argument about that. Turners out there making that argument.

892
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: Interview interview, talk about like a gay icon. That's when

893
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: we forgot. The children are forgotten, Kathleen. Have we need

894
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: to remind them? We do? We do? We need to

895
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: remind them. She reminds you she's also just a a rabbit. People,

896
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: come on, have some respect. Respect. Now. That's interesting that

897
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: you mentioned Philip Wilson, because I feel like, and it's

898
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: interesting that you been forgotten. He's well, yes, that and

899
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 1: even I don't I would admit that I don't have

900
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: that familiarity with Flip right with Fhip Wilson. But the

901
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: fact that you mentioned the drag aspect and that you

902
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: and that like that goes like you compare that to you,

903
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: maybe the way that the other kids in the hall

904
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: conceived of drag is maybe more of like a Monty Python.

905
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: Maybe you were probably the one to elevate that out

906
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: of this, like, well, yeah, I didn't think if it's

907
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: a caricature. And I think from the day when we

908
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: were like and I don't know if it was really

909
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: me that I think they all kind of when they

910
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: first started doing women, they all wanted to just play

911
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: women as women. And you know, I'd love to claim

912
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: that for myself. And I think maybe maybe helped them

913
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: deep in it, like I helped them in a way

914
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 1: maybe like let go of that kind of like masculine.

915
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: I gotta like, you know, like a movie like like

916
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 1: Too Long Food for example, you know, like the way

917
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: that Wesley Snipes telegraphs thes with his guns that remember

918
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: I'm still a man, or like we we didn't want

919
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: any of that telegraphs and we wanted to like completely

920
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: submerge ourselves into our characters. And uh, but definitely I

921
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: think we're not like Monty Python. We are very much

922
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: like Monty Python. But in terms of the portrayal of women,

923
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: we took it further. There were we didn't have screechy voices.

924
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: I mean, they used to do some women that were

925
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 1: pretty damn real, but most of the women were more

926
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: caricature and um we were. And when we first got

927
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: on television, our our first wardrobe person who did not

928
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: work out all of our female costumes. She tried to

929
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 1: make them like all like like silly, like big tips, dragging.

930
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: We were like and we were fewer. We're like, no,

931
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: we're not doing it. We go and then she we

932
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: we'd work on something. Oh that's she goes, it's boring

933
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: and looking. Yeah, it's a boring woman. Yeah, this is

934
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 1: not and this is it's a real woman, or it's

935
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: the portrayal women are women aren't fabulous? A woman that

936
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: you would see on the street like oh yeah. And

937
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: that was a profound I mean that was one of

938
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: the greatest journeys that we all took, that journey into

939
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: like gender, like, wow, this is fun. Do you think

940
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: that had you not been on the group, maybe they

941
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't have got there. You might not gotten as far.

942
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: They wouldn't have gone as far, because with you, it's

943
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 1: like secretary sketch. I feel like Bruce was. It was

944
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: a Bruce, you and Bruce and Bruce. Bruce put on

945
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: some sort of feminine affect, which is fine, Like it

946
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: worked for the characters. For you, like you don't you

947
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: didn't really change like Kathy anything. I used my voice.

948
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: I I lightened it a little bit, barely barely, but

949
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: as a secretary, not as like a woman, know what

950
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: I mean. You're playing the secretary, You're not playing a woman.

951
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: And Cathy's not overtly feminine. She's kind of an alpha

952
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,439
Speaker 1: female and she asked the questions. Yeah, but it's true.

953
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: Like but with me and Bruce, the balance each one.

954
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:29,280
Speaker 1: I think he made me funnier in terms of Cathy's funny,

955
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: but she's she's she's you know, she's not. Bruce's character

956
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: is much more overtly funny. But I think Mike Kathy

957
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: made Bruce is more realistic. And those two they were

958
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: yin and yang, and they really matched each other. And

959
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: but but Mike Kathy came about through him. His Kathy

960
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: was first, and then my cat, I my Kathy came

961
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: after and then that's when the but the secretary is

962
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:57,439
Speaker 1: actually that's the secretaries were actually kind of born all

963
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: at once in a weird way, because it was in

964
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: the very first piece called which was about turning over,

965
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: and it was the first time all five of us

966
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: were in Dragon. It was a very remarkable moment and

967
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 1: it was about five secretaries and I don't even think

968
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: and then we took on. They weren't really people yet, right,

969
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: Bruce's was starting to be a person. But I found

970
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 1: the wig and you guys know it's the Yeah, I

971
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: fell in love with that wig and that and that

972
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 1: all the character flowed from the way and it was

973
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: this scene about the character. Bruce is like, oh my god,

974
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 1: what's going on? I'm about to turnover? And it was

975
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: like a turnover and it was basically like a clock

976
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: when it goes from like three fifty nine to four,

977
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 1: and she had at the back of her head and

978
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 1: then was she turned over and we all were giving

979
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: her birthday party. But I mean, we all came out

980
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: together and we were like seeing each other as women,

981
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: all five of us, and this kind of natural we

982
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:56,919
Speaker 1: became nicer to it all changed and every all those

983
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: five because there's five women in that secretarialol and those

984
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:06,439
Speaker 1: were all all the looks were pretty much settled that day.

985
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,760
Speaker 1: They didn't have names yet, but Dave had that red wig,

986
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: and Kevin had that black wig, and Mark Gray that

987
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: that Tanya wig. And I love that Tanya Tanya. She

988
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: is so good the Tana Tania guy for at the

989
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: party and she's trying to get you guys to the

990
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: All that's good. But you know, but but we uh,

991
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, but see it. But like I don't

992
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: you noticed the candy. I'm not doing anything right. No,

993
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: but and you know what that that's how that woman

994
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: exists in the world. But it's so true because like

995
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: these small shifts that happened just when you put the

996
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: wig I got. I had to do it actually at

997
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: the at the Duplex, no way, not the dupe. Yes,

998
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: I did years ago. Lived and um she she's I

999
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: would get in the full dress and I guess they

1000
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 1: were like go go boots. They weren't even heels. It

1001
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: couldn't find anything for me. I had the wig and

1002
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: she was like, wow, you really change when you put

1003
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: that on, and it was weird. I got very self

1004
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: conscious about it because I was five years younger than

1005
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: I am now six years younger, and it was like,

1006
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: oh no, like am I revealing something about myself? Or

1007
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: am I too good at this? Or like and it's

1008
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: this thing like I understand, you know what I mean,

1009
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: where it's like you want to take yourself seriously and

1010
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: the world has made you think that you can't be

1011
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: serious doing this thing, you know what I mean? Like,

1012
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: I think I think a lot of like that. As

1013
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 1: a gay actor, gay performer, gay comedian, I think we

1014
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: all kind of like have the same dreams and goals

1015
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: as anyone else that's in the entertainment. And should you

1016
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: want to have like a mainstream career, you want to

1017
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: be mainstreams. So when you find like a niche or

1018
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: a or a success or a skill in doing something

1019
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: that's historically not that the fact that's drags literally outside

1020
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: the mainstream makes fun of the mainstream, yes, you're like,

1021
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: oh no, naturally, like what are my real So it

1022
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: was this moment of like she was trying to compliment

1023
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: me and be like, wow, you're really the character. That's great,

1024
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: But it was this thing in my head like the

1025
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: gay man inside of me was like, yeah, well, I

1026
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: remember the first time I started doing Buddy Cole, I've

1027
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: never done I'd never done that gay accent before me. All,

1028
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: I think most gay men have gay voices that I

1029
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: don't think that's that controversial. I think most of us. No,

1030
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. I actually don't know except myself. Come on,

1031
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 1: come on, these Jesus great. But you know, when I

1032
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: first started doing that, it was the list because I

1033
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 1: I what I thought, Oh, if I start talking like that,

1034
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: it'll be the wind will change, and it'll be like

1035
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 1: that for the rest of my life. And I was

1036
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: terrified of doing that, like I would never ever imitate

1037
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: that because I always thought, well, I've spent my whole

1038
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: life trying to pass, and I've spent my whole life

1039
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: trying to present his masculine that I can't do that

1040
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: because then all of the defenses will fall away and

1041
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: I'll be revealed as a shrieking queen. What a fascinating

1042
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: experience to like that. We all kind of snare, which

1043
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: is to become, be born, grow into yourself, realize that's horrible,

1044
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: and then create this other person that you are existing

1045
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: that from seven, eight, nine, ten years, which is what

1046
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: how long I did, and then have to re establish

1047
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: and rEFInd who you are. You should both read. Have

1048
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: you read Covering by Kenji Yoshino. He's a yell, he's

1049
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: a he's um, he's I guess he's already turned off. No,

1050
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: he's a he's a he's a legal scholar. Yell. But

1051
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: he wrote this book. That's that's about the stages of

1052
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: coming out, of coming out, and then maybe of trying

1053
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 1: to like path of like having his phase where you

1054
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: sort of are trying to negotiate whether you want to

1055
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: pass or not. And then the final sort of freeing

1056
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: moment is I've never gotten to that, but maybe maybe

1057
00:56:58,080 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: I haven't either. I don't know if I'm capable of

1058
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,439
Speaker 1: it any longer. Well, I think it's the final moment

1059
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 1: is just about not caring about passive. Yeah, And I

1060
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:11,240
Speaker 1: think you're saying that you haven't gone that your masculine

1061
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: characters aren't quite mad. I know, I think. I mean,

1062
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: I've studied men my whole actor. I just I love

1063
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: playing those characters, and I thought that maybe society would

1064
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: allow me to but they did not. You know, they said, no,

1065
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna play the newd fag who lives next door,

1066
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: who tells the main character how to live or white

1067
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: dress to wear, you know, and that's because that's how

1068
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: we know you. Yeah, and but you know in terms

1069
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: of like I had to because if I had to

1070
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: kill everything feminine in me in order to survive in

1071
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: a way, and I did, I wasn't very successful at it,

1072
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: you know, like I mean, because I just didn't want

1073
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: to get beat up. You know, I had four brothers,

1074
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: I lived in a lived in like a hockey camp,

1075
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: so it was very different. And anyone to be a

1076
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: homosexual male at that time was the worst thing that

1077
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: a man could be. You were disgusting. I think that's

1078
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: that's I think something that people don't um understand is

1079
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: that you know, once you realize what you are, and

1080
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: you not only like do you get slapped over the

1081
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,919
Speaker 1: head with how much society hates it. It's they hate

1082
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: it because they're disgusted, you know. They don't hate it

1083
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: because it doesn't you know, it's it's not in their

1084
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: religious beliefs or whatever about that's a cover. They hate

1085
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: it because they're disgusted with the with the with the

1086
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: idea behind how we have sex, sodomy, all about sodomy.

1087
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: This is what people don't say you can't take that

1088
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: out of the equation. And that's why I think we

1089
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: kind of went wrong as whole. I mean gay marriage,

1090
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: but you can't take sodomy out of it. And that's

1091
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: one of the key differences between the way women are

1092
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: male gay females and males. They don't engage in so

1093
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: oh they can because their sex isn't disgusting, disgusting word disgusting.

1094
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: And I think that the gay movement has tried very

1095
00:58:56,440 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: hard to distance ourselves from the from bayically ground zero.

1096
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: You cannot. We're going to have to face it the society.

1097
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 1: You have to face We fuck each other in the asshole,

1098
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: and you can't dress it up with love winds sodomy

1099
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: fucking and I my theory is that sodomy is the

1100
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: original sin. This is my this is my this is

1101
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: my ted talk. Please the It's the the reason the

1102
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: male homosexual is the most I think benighted. And I said,

1103
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: benight creature on blighted, benighted, lowest creature on the planet

1104
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: is because of sodomy. And it's the ultimate sin. My

1105
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: belief in terms of the Bible, in terms of the

1106
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: original sin. If you go back to Adam and Eve

1107
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: this is my theory about the apple. The apple is

1108
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: the anus that when Adam And I'm not saying this

1109
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: is a real thing, but in terms of these cultural

1110
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 1: myths and archetypes, here's my theory that I think of

1111
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: the Garden of Eden. Back then, they didn't have apples

1112
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: like today, they'd be little crab apples. Crab apples, and

1113
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 1: anus looks a little bit like a before before it's

1114
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 1: been trained. And I think that one day and they

1115
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: didn't know what to do, God was like, I got

1116
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: these needs to they got them in this little zoo.

1117
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna enjoy watching. They're never gonna have kids, so

1118
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: I can watch. And then one day Heve's bending over

1119
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: the water to like, I don't pick up a flower

1120
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: to put in her hair, and somehow her cheeks come

1121
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: apart and he sees that little anus there and he's

1122
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 1: like mom, and his penis goes up his snake and

1123
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: the snake wants that apple, and they he fox her

1124
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: and she's one the fuck he fuck, and they discover

1125
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 1: away to have sex without having children, and that makes

1126
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: God fear glorious because now he can't control them because

1127
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: now they have a way to have sex to give

1128
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: each other pleasure without procreation, and that's the original sin.

1129
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: So the snake is the cock, the apple is the anus,

1130
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: and so sodomy is in our subconscious as the ultimate

1131
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: original sin that God has kicked out of the garden

1132
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: of Eden. So naturally, the homosexual is the devil, it's

1133
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 1: the snake. Which is why this is a very cynical,

1134
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: pessimistic thing to say that. You have to understand that,

1135
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: I don't think in our lifetimes where ever, really going

1136
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: to get past that completely right. So I've accepted that

1137
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: there's always going to be this level of hatred and

1138
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: visceral disgust towards the homosexual male. And in order for

1139
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 1: me to have a good life, I have to accept that.

1140
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 1: There's all It's always going to be there, and in

1141
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: order for me to to live in this world, I

1142
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 1: have to accept that and find a way to live

1143
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: with that and do everything in my power to change it,

1144
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 1: but accept that I can only do so much, and

1145
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: that society can only change incrementally. I agree with so,

1146
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 1: and that's why when people say, oh, lesbians, there's lots

1147
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: of game, there's lots of lesbian stars, it's not the

1148
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: same pretend that gay men and lesbians have the same journey.

1149
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: It's not true. And you've said that, uh, for for men,

1150
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 1: for the patriarchy, they view lesbianism as this thing that

1151
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 1: is somewhat more acceptable than gay male homosexually, I think

1152
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: much more because because it's like, oh, well, then you're

1153
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 1: after the same thing. They mimic men. So they go

1154
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: well in terms of in terms of desire. Right, So

1155
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 1: they go up, they move up the ladder, but a

1156
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 1: gay male falls from his perch and a gay white

1157
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: male falls the furthest because suddenly you're supposed to have

1158
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,439
Speaker 1: the world and then your your get your it's taken

1159
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 1: away from me. So you plummet, you plummet. And so

1160
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: I've accepted that, Like I mean, it sounds like nihilistic

1161
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: that I accepted, but I go, I have to live

1162
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 1: my life. I have to. And it's not like I'm not.

1163
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 1: I haven't given up, but I accept that there's going

1164
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 1: to be because also I don't live in a bubble.

1165
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 1: You leave the you leave the West, and you'll see

1166
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: what real homophobia. And that's when you go, Okay, this

1167
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 1: is on. This is going to take centuries. Sure, you

1168
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 1: know what's crazy. This might make me sound like a lunatic.

1169
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: I believe. I believeause you've been so sane and measured.

1170
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: And I think we'll see a lesbian president before we

1171
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: see a game mail. Absolutely way more. I totally agree.

1172
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 1: I actually I don't think that anyone will ever allow

1173
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: a game mail to love country. No. I just it's

1174
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 1: so interesting because like it's true, it's this thing of

1175
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: the disgust factor. And you know, whenever any whenever I'm

1176
01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 1: doing Glad brought me back in Winds I will say

1177
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 1: this whenever anyone even mentions the name Eminem. I'm like,

1178
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 1: you have to understand, like the rapper Eminem for the

1179
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: listeners to listen when when he dictated in popular culture,

1180
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 1: and he was inescapable, and this is when I was

1181
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: like forming as like a so so the most popular musician.

1182
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: What people heard in their ears right to the brain

1183
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 1: was Eminem saying gay men are disgusting, disgusting lyrics about him,

1184
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 1: him using the word faggot. And it's the way you

1185
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: say faggot when you're a straight man. We can say

1186
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: faggot gay straight man, they say faggot and it's it's

1187
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: it hurts. And he would use that word and he

1188
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 1: would talk about gays and then follow it up with

1189
01:04:55,040 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: sound effects like and then everyone soaked that in because school.

1190
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 1: And that's honestly tremendous, tremendous amounts of you know, film

1191
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: and television shows everything, you know. I was also watching

1192
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 1: that interview with you, and you could you couldn't say

1193
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: the word tits, but you could say the word faggot,

1194
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 1: and they wouldn't. They would but beat about tits and

1195
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 1: they wouldn't beat about faggott, which just hates beach. They

1196
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: shouldn't to me, they shouldn't bleep out anything yet And

1197
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 1: I agree with you, but if we're going to have

1198
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: standards and practices, Wow, is tits hurting anyone? Is faggot

1199
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 1: potentially hurting someone? Yeah, it's different. So this it's like,

1200
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 1: who makes the decisions about this stuff? Who dictates culturally

1201
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: what's happening. It's like it has been hard, it's tough,

1202
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 1: and it's only in the past I think three four

1203
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 1: or five years. Three to five years that's when the

1204
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 1: penny something changed three to five years ago. I'm exactly

1205
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 1: sure what it was culture that did it. By something suddenly, Uh,

1206
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: we were at the tipping point and I think suddenly

1207
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 1: society went it was like over fifty. It said, you

1208
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: know what, that kind of virulent homophobia is not cool. Yeah,

1209
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 1: and something changed, right, and who knows what it is.

1210
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 1: I don't think it was a particular person in pop culture.

1211
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 1: I don't think it was. But now it's like you

1212
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 1: got like this is actually kind of interesting. I'd like

1213
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: your take on it. Do you know Troy Savon the

1214
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 1: pop singer song Bloom that he just came out with.

1215
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 1: It's about bottoming. It's about huge pop star. It's a

1216
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 1: big pop song. I Bloom, I Bloom just for you.

1217
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: It's it's all about It's like the lyrics leading out

1218
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 1: into the course. She was on Saturday Live as a

1219
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 1: musical guest. He was, He's a major pop star. He's

1220
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 1: a shamellion. His name's Troy Savon. He's actually going to

1221
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: be in the new movie with Nicole Kidman called boy Or.

1222
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: He's a major star. He's a pop star Twink extraordinaire um. Yes,

1223
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 1: and he is. His his big single right now, it's

1224
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: called Bloom. It's about bottoming and he and everyone knows

1225
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 1: that he really He released tweeted about it hashtag bops

1226
01:06:55,880 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 1: about bottoming, it's it's it's pretty remarkable to me. That's remarkable.

1227
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 1: I mean, actually, I'm I'm gobsmacked. I can't even speak

1228
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 1: great because it's not even about being the top. It's like, no,

1229
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 1: I mean God saying gay men shame each other for body,

1230
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 1: my god, I got so much to show you, the

1231
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 1: mountains and the water, the beagon, just to know it's true. Baby,

1232
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 1: I've been saving this for you. And then the precurse

1233
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 1: is all about how he's like, please hold my hand

1234
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 1: before you for you, Like, what is it hold my

1235
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 1: hand before you go home? My hand? I funk. It's

1236
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 1: kind Now might tell you to take a second, baby,

1237
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 1: slow it down. You shouldn't know. Uh you should know.

1238
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 1: Uh boom bloom. Just so, anyway, that's making me gonna

1239
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 1: make me cry. Right, we're gonna listen to it afterwards,

1240
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 1: and we're gonna have an emotional moment. It's it's, it's,

1241
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 1: it's it's it's wonderful. It's great. And you know what,

1242
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 1: when Troy Someone first came out a few years ago,

1243
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 1: I was like, who the fuck is this guy? No,

1244
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 1: thank you? Was doing that thing of I don't want

1245
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 1: to see another game, dare. But now like I think

1246
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 1: the community at large and we celebrate him. I think

1247
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 1: where everyone's are starting to rally around this guy, like

1248
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: oh great, like you know what wonderful to the to

1249
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 1: the credit of some of the other pop stars that

1250
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 1: are featuring him. He's on Ariana Grande Records. He came out.

1251
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift brought him out at her concert. They performed

1252
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 1: my My Mind Together, his other song like you know,

1253
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 1: whatever you think about this popstar, you think about them

1254
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:23,759
Speaker 1: there still it's a fucking bottom pop star. Y'all bottom

1255
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 1: pop star coming out singing about his asshole. I see

1256
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 1: this really shock you shocks me. That's great. Well, actually

1257
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 1: I don't know what to say. Yeah, yeah, I feel like, wow,

1258
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 1: that's I didn't even maybe it won't take two d years,

1259
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 1: right because maybe maybe one one seven days? Well for president,

1260
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 1: I don't know that pop star. But the thing is too,

1261
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:48,600
Speaker 1: it's like, you know what they've always done is this,

1262
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 1: like straight man have always done? What do you mean

1263
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 1: there's no gay? What about Elton John? It's like okay,

1264
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:59,640
Speaker 1: but like he wasn't singing. John was closeted when I

1265
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 1: I was young. No, he got married, he didn't come

1266
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 1: up to he was an old man, not an old man,

1267
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 1: but he didn't know he No. I mean if Freddie

1268
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 1: Mercury was in the closet and then about he wasn't gay,

1269
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 1: But I just played with gay Mick Jagger wasn't gay.

1270
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:18,839
Speaker 1: They might have sucked one cock, deal e two pussies.

1271
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:23,560
Speaker 1: It doesn't make me straight. No, oh yeah, at least yesterday. No,

1272
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 1: I did know what. I had sex with women, but

1273
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 1: when I was no, the woman never accused me of

1274
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 1: being straight. The furthest I ever went with a woman

1275
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:37,599
Speaker 1: is with two girls who actually knew that I was gay,

1276
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 1: and then at the same time, at the same time,

1277
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 1: good for you know, bick work. But the thing is

1278
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 1: we you know, would you do touch titties? Bleep that out?

1279
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 1: You can't say test us um oh mean, Sarah Jessica Parker,

1280
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 1: you just dropped the j. We're done with the JAP

1281
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 1: said she was now Sarah Parker. I would rise to

1282
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 1: my favor. I would say, yes, honey, honey. If she

1283
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 1: announced that at a Cynthia Nixon event, I was, oh god,

1284
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 1: she might win, might win. That's what she needs to do.

1285
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 1: You have to come out and say, my name is

1286
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:25,759
Speaker 1: Sarah Parker. What everyone's gonna be like, what, Oh my god,

1287
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 1: will come out. She's like, I'm Kim Jessica rall, Oh

1288
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 1: my god, that's where the j went. She took it.

1289
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 1: Kim found it, she took it, she absorbed it. I

1290
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 1: knit her pussy all the easy. There you go, Sarah

1291
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 1: a bitch, Sarah's jay. Where's Sara's j? You know? What's

1292
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:51,719
Speaker 1: her face? Kristen David was like, I'm here. Two guys,

1293
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 1: They're like, what was that? The wind was that woman

1294
01:10:54,120 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 1: with two names get lost too, named loser, Kristen with

1295
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 1: a sibilant's heavy name, very unsung hero of the films.

1296
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 1: I do have to say, I will I will hate

1297
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:10,639
Speaker 1: myself if they don't tell you this to your face.

1298
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 1: I feel like, if they don't, if you are not

1299
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: approached by the Crown to portray Elizabeth in her later years,

1300
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 1: that is absolutely my dream, my delusional dream, that I

1301
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 1: will play the Queen from like six, because you do

1302
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 1: you give me Claire Floyd out of anybody else, any

1303
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 1: other act I wouldn't do it. I look just just

1304
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:44,599
Speaker 1: like her. I mean it's the boat structure is yes,

1305
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:47,559
Speaker 1: like I mean, it's and I wouldn't do it. Campy,

1306
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 1: and I've been preparing for this moment. I've actually been

1307
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 1: preparing a queen for the Crown that is a little

1308
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 1: that is more realistic than my queen, which I've been

1309
01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 1: watching that show. Well it's great, it's wonderful, and I

1310
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:02,599
Speaker 1: be I mean, I'm upset and I watched I'm actually

1311
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 1: this embarrassing. But I've been watching a lot of old

1312
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 1: footage of Elizabeth, which I would do anyway, just because

1313
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:11,560
Speaker 1: I want because I when I am approached by the

1314
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 1: people of the Crown, we're going to play the older queen.

1315
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 1: I want them to know that I'm going to do

1316
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 1: her honor. And of course we might have to wear

1317
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 1: a lot of like turtle things, you might have to,

1318
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:27,559
Speaker 1: but you know what, I I'll probably make you forget

1319
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 1: Claire Foy. I bet you bet, you bet. You have

1320
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 1: a feeling it might be Miami. You know who we met,

1321
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 1: Um Matthews. He's very good and also very sexual. Energy

1322
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 1: you can do, you can tell, but like which for us,

1323
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 1: we were like, are you he literally one of those

1324
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 1: one of those one of those straight men that is

1325
01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 1: so secure that they can flirt with He wants Mickelson

1326
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:04,680
Speaker 1: from Pannibals like that, Yeah, just like he didn't care

1327
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 1: who wants to fund him. It's like, if you want

1328
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 1: to fuck him, that's good, sort of infuriating. I think

1329
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 1: I was wearing something and he goes to me like

1330
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 1: it suits you, and I was like flooded bedroom eyes

1331
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 1: at both of us. Well, you know, he's he's got

1332
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 1: like he's got sexual energies. And I think it's interesting because,

1333
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I really love the way their relationship is portrayed,

1334
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,680
Speaker 1: because they really get to the cardinal center of Elizabeth.

1335
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 1: And I've always actually almost all my characters are pretty carnal,

1336
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:38,560
Speaker 1: but she's You always knew that woman was getting Roger regularly,

1337
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 1: you know, I think so. And she made it. I mean,

1338
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 1: I think she made it very clear from her hat

1339
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 1: selection and her clothing choices that she liked a little

1340
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 1: it a little rough. I think she made it very

1341
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 1: clear by a yellow hat she wore an ascot in

1342
01:13:56,240 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 1: nineteen that told us she liked it, and she liked

1343
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 1: it when he pulled her hair. That was a one

1344
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 1: in Westminster Abbey. And I remember going that brooch says

1345
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:15,560
Speaker 1: you like your you like nipple clam But I and

1346
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 1: I don't know how kinky they got but to sustain

1347
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 1: and married that he was screwing around, but she could

1348
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 1: not screw around. But I think she knew what she

1349
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 1: was getting. She got a big Greek stud and she

1350
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 1: you could tell she wanted them, and he made it

1351
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 1: and he she said, you just got to give it

1352
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:36,840
Speaker 1: to me regularly and I'll be fine. And um, and

1353
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 1: I like the way they portray their love affair. They

1354
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 1: portrayed that whole you knew, you know that Philip, he

1355
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 1: couldn't possibly be Why would could He wouldn't be loyal? Ever, No,

1356
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 1: of course not. But I think she knew. But I

1357
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 1: think you know, now I'm thinking about who is going

1358
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 1: to be my Philip when I play. I think they're

1359
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 1: gonna get Um, this is a difficult question someone with

1360
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 1: a sharp No, who's playing Philip? Now? Who's playing Philip

1361
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 1: in Olivia Coleman. I don't know if they that they

1362
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 1: probably have. I just you know, miss Helena is playing

1363
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 1: Helena is playing Margaret. Yeah, he is playing Margaret. That's

1364
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 1: a good choice. It is good, whacky, but I think

1365
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 1: Helena resembles Claire Foy more. Yeah, the facial structure, I

1366
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:20,879
Speaker 1: think she might have to have her her jawline smashed

1367
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:23,839
Speaker 1: and rearrange. We might have to get fancial reconstruction surgery.

1368
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:28,679
Speaker 1: I think that Helena can't play Elizabeth because her instincts

1369
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 1: are too quirky and wacky. Totally she can't play. But

1370
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 1: I'm just saying in terms of resemblance. And then Olivia

1371
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:38,679
Speaker 1: looks like, uh, what's her face? Um? Uh, Kirby, would

1372
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 1: it be wrong for Liam Needson to be my Philip? No?

1373
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 1: I would Leah would? That would be amazing, That wouldn't

1374
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 1: be against the law. I'm trying to think of someone

1375
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 1: with a gone to face, gone to face right right,

1376
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 1: someone like that's a good Oh god her maybe like

1377
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 1: a not like a column. First I was going to say,

1378
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 1: like a Pierce Brosnan, but he's not gone. What am

1379
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:03,519
Speaker 1: I saying? Also? Okay, no, let's go with Liam. Liam

1380
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 1: is a great Philip to you. I think he'd be good.

1381
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 1: I think we good to go. But it doesn't matter

1382
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 1: as long as you're as long as you're Elizabeth. As

1383
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 1: long as you're Elizabeth, that is all I want. You

1384
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 1: have the windsor face. I remember, It's true like I

1385
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 1: grew up in a you know, I grew up in

1386
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 1: a large family I grew up in. My mother was

1387
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 1: a very big monarchist, and you know in Canada, you

1388
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 1: know what it's like. I mean, she literally is. She's

1389
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 1: the rule of cat, She's on our money, she's our monarch,

1390
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 1: she's queen. And I can't help but I feel love

1391
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:34,639
Speaker 1: for and I know when she died, I'm not working

1392
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:37,640
Speaker 1: that day. That's it. Oh the whole economy of the

1393
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:39,680
Speaker 1: UK is going to shut down for a sweet It's

1394
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 1: just really, it's just not gonna happen. It will take

1395
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 1: me a while to get over. You care about the weddings. Yes, yeah,

1396
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 1: it's miss Markle. She's acceptable. She's still breath of fresh air,

1397
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 1: yes exactly. But I don't know what we're talking about

1398
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 1: with Queen. I'm just saying that you you must play.

1399
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:00,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. And it's funny because I and so I

1400
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 1: grew up in this family where my mother would have

1401
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:03,760
Speaker 1: a picture of her family, had a family in the

1402
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:06,719
Speaker 1: foyer like our was small, and then a huge picture

1403
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 1: of the royal family. And and this whole time, people

1404
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 1: would the kids in the hall Mark particularly would say

1405
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 1: you look like the Queen. I don't know. And so

1406
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 1: Mark wrote this piece called It's a fact, which was

1407
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 1: about this little red haired girl that runs into the camera. Boo,

1408
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 1: it's a fact. And they would do these crazy little

1409
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 1: fact things and Mark said, it's the fact. The first

1410
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 1: one was it's a fact the Queen doesn't know her

1411
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 1: A b c's so a b C d X seven

1412
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 1: eleven Chesterfield coat and it would be all like and

1413
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 1: so they said. So they made me as the Queen

1414
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 1: was a one off, and I went into the makeup

1415
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 1: with Judy and Jerry are are are makeup and hair

1416
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 1: wizards and they Judy Jerry was making me up and

1417
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:57,560
Speaker 1: she was like, what's happening. She was she didn't have

1418
01:17:57,680 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 1: to do and she said, I don't have to do

1419
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 1: that much. And then Judy came over with the wig

1420
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 1: and they put it on and and and then you know,

1421
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:07,560
Speaker 1: Jerry and Judy like look in the mirror and I

1422
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 1: was like, this is weird. And I mean and Marcos,

1423
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:13,640
Speaker 1: I knew it. I knew it. And I walked out

1424
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:15,519
Speaker 1: of the trail. I'm even getting chills thinking about it

1425
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:17,719
Speaker 1: because it was such I remember the moment so clearly,

1426
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 1: and everybody looked and we went and I remember the

1427
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 1: crew looking and going it's too much and I never

1428
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:26,560
Speaker 1: even practiced my voice. I never has a lot of

1429
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 1: the kids in the hall. It came about as we

1430
01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 1: were getting made up. We didn't we wouldn't even know

1431
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 1: how we were going to play anything. And I remember

1432
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 1: the voice came instantly and I went hello, and I

1433
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 1: just started waving to people and I instantly became her,

1434
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 1: and it was it was a trans immaculate conception. It

1435
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 1: was a transformative moment. And I went, I have her

1436
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 1: bone structure. Yeah, I looked like the Lost Windsor. And

1437
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 1: I remember we had did a little piece and then

1438
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 1: we had some extra time. This net almost never happened.

1439
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:56,519
Speaker 1: We were it was on a film shoot, one of

1440
01:18:56,600 --> 01:19:00,320
Speaker 1: our our film shoots, and then we improvised this whole

1441
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 1: piece that came out of nowhere, which is where the

1442
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 1: Queen walks the little red haired girl off the end

1443
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 1: of a dock, gives her a bunch of stones, says

1444
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:12,720
Speaker 1: jump out, there's guild at the bottom. And I was

1445
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:17,440
Speaker 1: trying to drown her because the Queen always drowned redheads

1446
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 1: because they were bad luck. Oh my god, I didn't know,

1447
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 1: and it was all improvised. It it became the credit,

1448
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 1: the closing credit sequence, and then from then on I

1449
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:29,680
Speaker 1: was off and running. So you know, it's and it's

1450
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 1: the only celebrity imperson impression. It's the only one. Here's

1451
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 1: something I pulled from, Like the Edward thing. Was that

1452
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:39,559
Speaker 1: a real rumor that he was gay? Oh? God, yes, yes, Okay,

1453
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with the scandal that would erupt if

1454
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:48,600
Speaker 1: one of the royal family was gay, Like what that

1455
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 1: must feel like? Well, it couldn't have happened, you know, um, oh,

1456
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 1: there was lots of room. He worked for Andrew Lloyd

1457
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 1: Weber or was it? Or who was not? Was I

1458
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 1: don't know this someone like that? No, he wasn't gay,

1459
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 1: some mus cool guy that I have been sometimes someone

1460
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 1: I don't remember because it must have been there. But

1461
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:10,519
Speaker 1: you know, no, they couldn't. He could not have been Gettan,

1462
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 1: but I who knows what he is? I don't know.

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01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 1: But that was absolutely Yeah. Yeah, that that reality If

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01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 1: that's true, though, that reality of any royal family ever

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01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 1: realizing that about them, that's going to happen, of course. Well,

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01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:25,800
Speaker 1: I mean once we as soon as we get a

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01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:28,599
Speaker 1: lesbian president, we are going to get a gay member

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01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,720
Speaker 1: of the family. Yeah, I mean they're already there. But

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01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:37,000
Speaker 1: they'll be they are already there. Oh yeah, I can't

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01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:39,680
Speaker 1: even think about that anyway. Should we move on? We

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01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 1: should move on to I don't think so, honey. This

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01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 1: is our segment where we take one minute to rail

1473
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 1: against something in pop culture that's just we hate it.

1474
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:52,600
Speaker 1: We hate it, we need to talk about it passionately.

1475
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:54,680
Speaker 1: So you're gonna see us do it, okay, and then

1476
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:56,560
Speaker 1: we'll ask you to do one as well on on

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01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:00,679
Speaker 1: the topic of your of your tuesding OKAYT Thompson's gonna

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01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:02,360
Speaker 1: do it. I don't think so. Now, do you have

1479
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:03,600
Speaker 1: one that you want to do or should I go?

1480
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:07,320
Speaker 1: You should go? You should go? Um, this is Matt Rodgers.

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01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:08,760
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't know where this one's

1482
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 1: gonna go. I'm just gonna leave with my heart. His

1483
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 1: time starts now. I don't think so, honey. People at

1484
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 1: the bar who get their drink and still stand at

1485
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 1: the bar so that no one else can get there.

1486
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:24,599
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you something. It's it's you straight because

1487
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't really happen at the gay bar, because we

1488
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 1: have some sense. And also you want to go off

1489
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:32,640
Speaker 1: and talk to people. Straight people are so boring. You

1490
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 1: have nothing more to do than create drama by standing

1491
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:37,720
Speaker 1: at the bar. I'm at Northern Territory yesterday in green

1492
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 1: Point it was a zoo. It was just and not

1493
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:42,600
Speaker 1: because it was crowded. It was a zoo because it

1494
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:46,360
Speaker 1: was animal behavior. And it's animal like behavior. It's not

1495
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 1: dignified to get your cocktail and stay there, move out

1496
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 1: of the way. Terence says, I need to name picked

1497
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 1: because I need to order a drink and I can't

1498
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:58,639
Speaker 1: do it from back here. And you guess who else

1499
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:01,559
Speaker 1: you're pissing off? The fun bartender who's busting their ass,

1500
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 1: who also wants to get a new piece of client

1501
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:05,760
Speaker 1: ass right there up at the bar so she can

1502
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:07,719
Speaker 1: have a new drink roll through. This is a system, honey,

1503
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 1: And if you're not ready to operate in the system,

1504
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 1: you're not ready to be in this establishment. I don't

1505
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:14,000
Speaker 1: think so, honey. And that's one minute. Wow, you are

1506
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 1: raising your fist. A new piece of client robbin is down,

1507
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 1: well done. You gotta cycle out, okay, yeah yeah yeah, yeah,

1508
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:26,719
Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah yeah. Neither you can say nothing because

1509
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 1: you know him right. Uh what does cycle cycle out? Like?

1510
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 1: Just like? Hi, can I get a gennic I get it.

1511
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:37,920
Speaker 1: We do the transaction. I cycle out, honey, I turn around,

1512
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 1: and I walk my ask to another part of the bar.

1513
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 1: That's how that works. So the to the homo behind me,

1514
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:47,000
Speaker 1: A me can go up there in order a drink.

1515
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:49,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do one. I'm gonna doing that might be

1516
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 1: a little liptal controversial, but it's about the John McCaine

1517
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 1: related All right, here we go. This is Bellen yangs.

1518
01:22:57,920 --> 01:22:59,599
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, And as time starts now,

1519
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 1: I don't so, honey. People distributing this fucking clip of

1520
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:06,560
Speaker 1: John McCain shooting down that crazy old lady at his

1521
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:09,719
Speaker 1: rally for colling Obama an Arab, and his whole rebuttal

1522
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 1: is no, he's a decent man who we just happened

1523
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:15,000
Speaker 1: to disagree. I mean, yes, that was an okay response.

1524
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:17,640
Speaker 1: But people are lionizing this in this way that is

1525
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:22,680
Speaker 1: that is just trying to like, uh, lion eyes the

1526
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 1: bare fucking minimum. First of all, the implication I remember

1527
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 1: so clearly this day in two thousand and eight, I

1528
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 1: watched Matter that night. She made a joke about how

1529
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 1: while an Arab, an Arabic person and a decent family

1530
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 1: man would never intersecting the same person, right, like yeah,

1531
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 1: Like that's the implication. It's shitty, Like John McCain is whatever.

1532
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 1: I'm not one of these people who's dancing on his grave.

1533
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:45,560
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, let's go through different things in the

1534
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 1: highlight reel and say this is like he in terms

1535
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:52,719
Speaker 1: of policy, he pushed this through. Why go why focus

1536
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:56,040
Speaker 1: on this interaction that really just would be the norm

1537
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 1: instead of like heralding it as this gorgeous manner from

1538
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 1: the political gods. And that's one minute. I agree with you.

1539
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:04,599
Speaker 1: I think the whole thing is getting blown out of proportion,

1540
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 1: literally on both sides, because because it's like a people

1541
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 1: are I mean, we're a day out. He passed away

1542
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:15,599
Speaker 1: yesterday recording this on the like he like people. Every

1543
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:18,760
Speaker 1: new side is like wow, remember when John McCain did this,

1544
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:22,160
Speaker 1: And I'm like yo. But on the opposite side, I

1545
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 1: think that to insinuate that he's saying no, it's not

1546
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 1: an Arab, he's a good person is also going too far.

1547
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:31,720
Speaker 1: I think that I think it's doing too far. And

1548
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 1: I get that people, you know, come for me or whatever,

1549
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:37,640
Speaker 1: But the thing is he in a moment of this

1550
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 1: woman saying this person is a bad person. There an Arab.

1551
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:44,760
Speaker 1: He in a political moment where everyone was watching, said

1552
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:47,719
Speaker 1: to her, No, this is not he's not a person.

1553
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 1: It's that's the energy. So people acting like him saying

1554
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:53,760
Speaker 1: he's not an Arab, he's a good person. That is

1555
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:56,719
Speaker 1: not what he's saying. And I think on both sides

1556
01:24:57,120 --> 01:25:00,920
Speaker 1: we need to cool it. Sure, I'm I'm just saying

1557
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 1: like there's like I'm trying to pull attention backwards, like

1558
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 1: everyone's building this thing up. I think that there's I

1559
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 1: think it's so unfortunate that we're fixating on this clip

1560
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 1: as his lifelong life was, like you see, when there's

1561
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:16,360
Speaker 1: other things. That's what I'm saying, sexation on the clip,

1562
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:19,559
Speaker 1: and I'm saying it's not that remarkable. I mean, it's

1563
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 1: good that he shot her down, but I'm saying, like,

1564
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:25,160
Speaker 1: like fine gold McCain, like talk about the things that

1565
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 1: he did in his political life and not just this

1566
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 1: interaction that he had with a crazy I think they

1567
01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 1: should have focused on how gorgeous he was when he

1568
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:38,360
Speaker 1: was when he was folks. Truly, I mean, let's bring

1569
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 1: it back to what's really important. Looks. I agree with you.

1570
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 1: I think it's this whole thing of like assuming we

1571
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 1: can have a smarter, intelligent about this one. We're not

1572
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:49,880
Speaker 1: dealing with smart people. We're dealing with Americans. Oh sorry, bitch,

1573
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 1: we kept quiet, We kept quiet, continue to keep quiet. Okay, Um,

1574
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:59,560
Speaker 1: this is Scott Thompson's I don't think so, honey. No,

1575
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 1: I mean no, because I don't really, because god, this

1576
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:06,120
Speaker 1: is this is okay, you know what, Well, I just

1577
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 1: say a few things that I wanted. I've had such

1578
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 1: a good time and I feel like this might derail

1579
01:26:11,479 --> 01:26:13,760
Speaker 1: me because I mean, I know what I want to

1580
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:17,360
Speaker 1: talk about. I know it's going to be controversial. Okay, Well,

1581
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:21,720
Speaker 1: you'd rather save it for tonight when you're going to say, so,

1582
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:25,760
Speaker 1: this is historical. We've never had a guest decline which

1583
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:29,799
Speaker 1: we're which no, no, no, no, it's honorable. It's honorable.

1584
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:33,160
Speaker 1: You think that the only exactly it's an honorable thing

1585
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 1: for me to not do that. I think you respect

1586
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:39,680
Speaker 1: for Scott my rules. Who the hell am I some

1587
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:44,920
Speaker 1: stupid queer? I think I think I said no, no,

1588
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:51,599
Speaker 1: Scott Thompson. I think that's punk rock is what a trailblazer? Truly,

1589
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:53,600
Speaker 1: I'm not even I'm not even being facetious like this is.

1590
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:55,800
Speaker 1: We will honor this like, but I will say, any

1591
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 1: other guests would be like, no, you have to know

1592
01:26:57,400 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 1: any other guest that comes on here and said they

1593
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 1: don't want to do one yourself yourself, you're not you know.

1594
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:05,800
Speaker 1: I mean, of course I railed about other things, and

1595
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 1: and this is, this is a thing where the first

1596
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:11,000
Speaker 1: person gets all the attention, you know, not the second,

1597
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 1: not the third. There will never be a second or

1598
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:15,560
Speaker 1: a third. It's only Scott Thompson. You know what, what

1599
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:17,760
Speaker 1: what is it you say? I don't think, honey. You

1600
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:19,960
Speaker 1: know what, honey, I don't think. Here's what I hate.

1601
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:23,000
Speaker 1: Is you going a podcast and the host ask you, well,

1602
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:24,600
Speaker 1: they do a bit that they always do all the

1603
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:27,000
Speaker 1: time and it really works, and everybody that comes on

1604
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 1: our show does it, so you're going to do it.

1605
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:30,920
Speaker 1: I hate that, you know what. I don't want to

1606
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:34,439
Speaker 1: do your stupid bit. Honey. Okay, it might work for you,

1607
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:39,720
Speaker 1: but it ain't working from me. Okay. You know what,

1608
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:42,679
Speaker 1: here's the thing for you. One hour, twenty three minutes

1609
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:46,560
Speaker 1: and two seconds, and now you're asking me to do

1610
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 1: something that you guys have been working on for months

1611
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:52,080
Speaker 1: and months and months You've worked all the bugs out

1612
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:54,400
Speaker 1: and now you're gonna throw me under the bus with

1613
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:57,760
Speaker 1: your bit. I don't think so. I guess what, bitch,

1614
01:27:57,960 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 1: you just fell on the trap because you just did

1615
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:03,160
Speaker 1: it and it was and that's the new generation coming

1616
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:06,640
Speaker 1: up throughout some moneing you and out of winning you

1617
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:15,240
Speaker 1: damn spark up. I do not count that as and

1618
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:16,800
Speaker 1: I don't think so many because I want this to

1619
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:19,519
Speaker 1: be canon. Scott Thompson did not want to do one,

1620
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:23,439
Speaker 1: and we we honored that times up, times up, our time,

1621
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:25,640
Speaker 1: our our time is up. I mean no, I'm just

1622
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 1: saying times up because it's a good thing, because it's

1623
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:30,760
Speaker 1: a good thing to say. Wow. I mean this was

1624
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:36,080
Speaker 1: very meaning. This it was greatable, truly tally wonderful. M's

1625
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 1: more fun than I thought I would have likely when

1626
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 1: you get that well, when you're called I mean, I

1627
01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:42,559
Speaker 1: knew you were fun, but I did when you called

1628
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:44,920
Speaker 1: me honorable, like, oh it's going to be an honorable.

1629
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:48,000
Speaker 1: That was a bad choice of words on my part

1630
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 1: that yeah, you fucking suck, sucked, I hate you, Bowen,

1631
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 1: You're bad. That was bad words. So it's just our

1632
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:58,800
Speaker 1: way of of just blowing snoke up all of our asset. Okay, yeah, wow.

1633
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 1: The first two minutes of this part us really was that.

1634
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I'm happy I didn't have

1635
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:05,599
Speaker 1: to grow up with you, because I would have been

1636
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 1: really overwhelmed. It's like a stupid twink, so disingenuous. I

1637
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 1: got aging twink the other day and I was like,

1638
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:14,960
Speaker 1: you go, yeah, that's no no, but wait, that's the

1639
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:18,679
Speaker 1: best kind of twink. Aging twink. Okay, yeah, I gotta

1640
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 1: love myself right, you'd suck me right? Thank you gorgeous.

1641
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:25,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. If you have advice for if you have

1642
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Speaker 1: and uh, next time he's in New York, please check

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Speaker 1: him out if he's doing a deluge Againe Scott, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much, Thank you very much. Here we go.

1649
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Speaker 1: What good was one of us Sunday just as Love

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Speaker 1: Love Snob. I think in Austin Powers it was slabs

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