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Speaker 1: Um podcast starts now. Welcome to the and final episode.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the fiftieth anniversary episode of your favorite podcast,

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Speaker 1: Stradio Lab. That's right, fifty years of podcasting. Fifty years,

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Speaker 1: fifty laughs, one laugh of year. We've been providing them

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Speaker 1: year after year after year. You know, when we started

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Speaker 1: this podcast last year, UM, around this time, I never

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Speaker 1: thought that fifty episodes later we would still be doing it,

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Speaker 1: even um paying to have it up. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: don't see this is already. You're bringing this negativity that

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Speaker 1: we really don't need. Today's out love. It's good vibes only.

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Speaker 1: Today is good vibes only. It's a party. We need

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Speaker 1: to we need to let love in and we we

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Speaker 1: absolutely need to, and I specifically can do a better

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Speaker 1: job of that. I push level away. You specifically need

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Speaker 1: to let love in. I need to let love in.

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Speaker 1: I need to live out loud, and I need to

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Speaker 1: be myself. George, how do you feel on this momentous day,

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Speaker 1: um our fiftie episode. I feel good. I feel calm today.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'll say this and I don't want

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Speaker 1: to kind of Um, I hate situating anything in space

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Speaker 1: and time. I think it's limiting. But for today's episode,

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Speaker 1: I'll just say I am in a place this week

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Speaker 1: our collective nightmare, more so than I ever have it,

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Speaker 1: just more and more. I I get this unhinged email

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Speaker 1: every morning from the New York Times which is like this, truly,

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Speaker 1: and it's like update new update today. It doesn't write

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Speaker 1: anything and and refuses to cover anything else in the news.

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Speaker 1: And he's just like five major updates from the pandemic

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Speaker 1: since seven pm last night. And for the first time

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Speaker 1: this week, I feel like I am getting a sense

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Speaker 1: of optimism. I love that. I as you know, I

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Speaker 1: have almost um crippling sense of optimism. I'm constantly looking

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Speaker 1: forward to things. UM well. I also I always wrong.

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Speaker 1: So last night I uh and ingested marijuana for the

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Speaker 1: first time in many months, and I watched the film

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Speaker 1: I Heart Huckabees. I did not understand anything that happened,

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Speaker 1: but it really invigorated one of my main beliefs in life,

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Speaker 1: which is that optimism is pestimistic and pessimism is optimistic.

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Speaker 1: Please elaborate as I say that, like already exhausted with

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Speaker 1: what you're about to say. But okay, this is one

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Speaker 1: of my main beliefs. Okay, And here's I have not

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Speaker 1: I did not prepare for talking about this. I didn't

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Speaker 1: know I would bring it up. But basically it comes

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Speaker 1: down to the following. If you are optimistic, it is

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Speaker 1: because you have low standards, so that inherently is pessimistic

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Speaker 1: because you actually don't think the world can be much

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Speaker 1: it stems from a belief that we can all be

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Speaker 1: our full potential. M Does that make sense? That does

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Speaker 1: make sense? Um, it's sort of giving me like that

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Speaker 1: monologue at the end of Nymphomaniac Part two. Um, you

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Speaker 1: know where it's like I haven't seen randomly I loved Jeremy.

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Speaker 1: Jeremy comes on and talk about large Montreer. You go

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Speaker 1: out and watch this whole filmography. No, no, no, I

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Speaker 1: I was for some reason, it was like I was

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Speaker 1: excited about it. You know, I'm not a large Montreier head.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen a lot of his movies. But Nipomaniac

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Speaker 1: I was there opening day for part one, Part maniac

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Speaker 1: if you will. But she has that monologue that's like,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Well she has been a huge influence

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Speaker 1: in my philosophy and in one of your main beliefs,

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Speaker 1: one of my main beliefs. I do genuinely think that's

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Speaker 1: one of my main beliefs. And it's also why I

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Speaker 1: think that things like, um, it's like things that come

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Speaker 1: A great theory. And I see why now it is

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Speaker 1: last year has made me a question ever feeling good.

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Speaker 1: But nevertheless, she persisted, and I've decided that this pandemic

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Speaker 1: is gonna be over in two weeks and this summer

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Speaker 1: is gonna pop the fuck off. This summer is gonna

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Speaker 1: off in a way that I've never thought possible. I'm

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Speaker 1: already the other day I imagined myself explaining to Matthew

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Speaker 1: And just to clarify, I don't mean, uh, sexually, I

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Speaker 1: I definitely think like any potential employer, Um, if you're

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Speaker 1: to be popping off all summer long, like, yes, please

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Speaker 1: until fall, maybe winter. And I think that's a reasonable ask.

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Speaker 1: I think this summer I will attempt to jump into

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, You're gonna be like an Instagram cliff girl.

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Speaker 1: I I my goal for this summer is to be

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Speaker 1: doing it right. You're not doing it right. You are

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Speaker 1: not um grabbing life by the horns. If you are

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Speaker 1: You know how there's those photos where a girl is

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tour every gay vacation um center in America

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Speaker 1: Um yeah, it's um. You know. I, of course, due

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Speaker 1: to my ethnicity and heritage and rich cultural background, have

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Speaker 1: been to Mecanoes many times and I always am like,

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Speaker 1: I'll go me and Mario Cantone. I'm gonna be pulling

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Speaker 1: I mean, if that's not a beautiful site, that is

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Speaker 1: gonna say this is pessimistic, which means it's good, Uh

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Speaker 1: We should know what's happening today, so you know, we

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Speaker 1: don't wanna you know, a lot of times these podcasts,

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Speaker 1: lot of times, these podcasts, they'll you know, have sort

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Speaker 1: of a fiftieth episode, maybe a hundredth episode, and they'll

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Speaker 1: And I think you should always be looking towards the future.

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Speaker 1: You should always be learning and growing and evolving. Well,

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Speaker 1: I just think I mean, once again, I'm not going

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Speaker 1: that optimism is pestimism, and pestimism and optimism, like romanticizing

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Speaker 1: We're gonna confront him about that photo. We Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: I actually that will be a really angry episode. I

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Speaker 1: This episode is a light in that we are welcoming

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Speaker 1: in a very positive for a suite which we will

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Speaker 1: I am gonna just full on berate him. Yeah smart um.

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Speaker 1: I would like for you to take take the reins

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Speaker 1: now and describe what's about to happen. Okay, Well, we thought,

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Speaker 1: and I would I say this to everyone like I

424
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: have no psychic power over you. I don't know anything,

425
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: you don't know. This is just going to be like

426
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: uh an interactive like a typal discourse canain Like, how

427
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: does tara work? Is it truly just like you pick

428
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: a card and then interpret it. Yes, so with the

429
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 1: two of you were going to pick three cards, um,

430
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: and you can like do like past, present, future, yes,

431
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: but therefore, but I'd prefer to just like see what

432
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: comes up. Yeah, then we'll interpret them together and like

433
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: it's very like Rorschach test. Whatever comes out of you,

434
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: we build off of. Okay, well, honestly, I'm ready. What

435
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 1: do you think, Sam, I'm so ready. I'm scared. I'm scared,

436
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: but I'm ready. I'm scared because if where tis like

437
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: who's scared, I'm scared? That's me right now. Yeah, I'm

438
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: one time Mofi Passik did something along these lines for

439
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: me and um brought me to tears, ruined me, um,

440
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: but was also kind of helpful. She's like a portal

441
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: is always open with her yes, And I think that's

442
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: what this goes back to. My thing with like I

443
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 1: don't actually actually in quotes obviously, but like I don't

444
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 1: actually believe in the supernatural, but I do believe in

445
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: people being clairvoyant. Yeah, I guess I would like to

446
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: the second Man and say I don't really like believe

447
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: in the supernatural, but I do every like once a year,

448
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: I still test to see if I can move things

449
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: with my mind because I think it's possible. But it's

450
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: also like whenever I visit like I guess this doesn't

451
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: happen that often anymore, but when I was younger, I

452
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 1: would visit like the villages that my you know, the

453
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: older generations of my family were from. I'd be like,

454
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: looking around, I'd be like every Greek woman here is clairvoyant,

455
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: which I mean truly, If like anything happens to me,

456
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, well that happened for a reason. So I

457
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: guess I'm actually extremely not skeptical. Um So, I think

458
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 1: you're not skeptical. I'm learning right. I thought when we

459
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 1: went into this, I was like, I'm skeptical and it

460
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: all comes in waves. It's like, how you know, I

461
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: went through like a really intense atheist phase when I

462
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: was in high school like many people, I'm sure, and

463
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: now I'm like, imagine caring. Like obviously there are, you know,

464
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: a lot of bad things about organized religion, but like

465
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: the idea that I would be obsessed with, like we

466
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: need to get rid of school prayer, like just calm down, Well,

467
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: let's let's get into let's get into it. Let's get

468
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: into it. So how do we start. We're gonna I'm

469
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: gonna do each of you. Um So, yeah, again, I

470
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: am holding no power over you, and I want you

471
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: to be like as vocal as possible, and if something

472
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: isn't resonating, you can totally tell me it won't hurt

473
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: my feelings and we'll go from there. Okay, So, UM,

474
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: which of you would like to start? I think we

475
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: should start with Sam. Actually, sorry, I'm scared. I just

476
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: had a feeling and Sam, you can just ask like

477
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: a really big question, a really small question. It can

478
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: be like this week, it can be this year. Uh,

479
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: it can be any arena you're interested in, and we'll

480
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: we'll do it. Okay. I had one question. Something I've

481
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: been thinking about is like living in New York. I

482
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: love living here. However, I am starting to feel like, well,

483
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: am I supposed to move? Do I? Am I supposed

484
00:28:58,600 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: to move to l A? Am I supposed to live

485
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: here forever? Like? I love it here? But am I

486
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: limiting myself by staying? Um? This is kind of um

487
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: a question that is on my mind in a sincere way.

488
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: Oh what is that one? I will show you immediately?

489
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, what does that mean? Well, so, just so

490
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: everyone knows, David is showing us various cards on the screen,

491
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: so we'll go through each of them. Okay, so we

492
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: have to start the Six of Swords reversed, so we

493
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: see this man kind of like Karen in the underworld,

494
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: steering a boat full of swords that are stabbed through. Okay, reversed, Okay,

495
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: Queen of Wands adore her. She's holding a huge sunflower

496
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: in this giant kind of phallic wand she's she's in

497
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: her jewel era for sure. Absolute And then we have

498
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: the five of Ones. We so we see a lot

499
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,239
Speaker 1: of boys with these kind of clashing ones. Um, So

500
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: before I say anything, are you seeing anything? Is anything

501
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: jumping out at you? You don't even know what anything means?

502
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: Just like I don't know what anything means. Um, I'm seeing, Um,

503
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: I don't know the boat upside down, I don't know

504
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: what I don't I guess I don't know what I'm

505
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: supposed to be looking for. And I'm afraid of um

506
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: saying things when I don't know what I'm talking about.

507
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: That's okay, George, is anything jumping out at you? Visually? Sorry,

508
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: I'm taking screenshots because they then want to kind of

509
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: like remember these cards. Um, well, okay, so to me,

510
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: seeing these one next to the other, right, I'm interpreting

511
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: them as a triptych to me, if if this is

512
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: for Sam's future, it seems like to the left and

513
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: to the right of the queen, there is chaos of

514
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: some sort or not just chaos, but there is movement

515
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: and there are many people, and yet the queen stands

516
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: stoic in the center, kind of like uh, not being

517
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: affected by the by all the stuff happening around her,

518
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: which I'm saying that as a positive thing. Like, I

519
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be no matter what, even if it's

520
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: a good or a bad way, it's going to be

521
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: kind of a a chaotic gear coming up. And I

522
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: think it's probably a good sign for Sam to be

523
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: the stoic queen at the center of it. And also,

524
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: you know, just to be like very literal about it.

525
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: If there's a boat that implies travel and Sam is

526
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: asking a question about, you know, whether he should move,

527
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: So I can't tell if that means it's a good

528
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: thing or if the fact that the boat is upside

529
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: down means that, in fact it's kind of capsize. George,

530
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: that was incredible. Thank you. I'm kind of stunned, Actually

531
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, I'm kind of a flabbergascid. So yes,

532
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: let's go through one by one and then we'll go

533
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: from there. So to start, yes, we have the six

534
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: of swords. Swords is the mind, intellect air, It's kind

535
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: of like the rational functions. And yes, we see this.

536
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: This passage six is kind of a harmonizing number. It's

537
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: an even number, some sort of a passage. It's upside down.

538
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: So there's a block here, and there's just a sense

539
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: I think, Um, I don't think it's a sentimental issue

540
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: or an emotional issue. I think your life is quite

541
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: rich here. I think there's just this sense of like, okay, well,

542
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: where the hell is this going? Just like on a

543
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: on on even an intellectual level, just like what's what

544
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: is the plan here? And there is just a sense

545
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: of maybe stagnation or um, yeah, just a block. So

546
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: then we have the Queen of Ones. She's fantastic, wants

547
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: is fire, sexuality, creativity, passion. The queen. You know, if

548
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: we think of the king as the active he's ruling

549
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: the the the kingdom. The queen is kind of just

550
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: sitting back and like having a good time. The queen

551
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: has associated with like legs are kind of wide open.

552
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: She's sitting on the throne like really enjoying herself, eating

553
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: well like fucking the squires or whatever. So the Queen

554
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: is very receptive, she's very stationary, um, and she's very

555
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: tapped into her own pleasure. Great, and then we have

556
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: the five of ones. Uh I. Once again we have

557
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: this fire, this this passion, and we see this kind

558
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: of communal card. They're all kind of whacking wants together,

559
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: but they're not sword so it's not lethal. So to me,

560
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: it's very much communal, it's very active, it's very um,

561
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: you and people you know, kind of in a dialogue

562
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: and a discourse. I see it as a critical discourse.

563
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: So to me and Sam, I want to know what

564
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: you're what you're getting out of this. But I think

565
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: for you it's it might be essential that you are

566
00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: in a world where you feel kind of I think

567
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: you get very turned on and stimulated by a kind

568
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: of community and a sense of like she's doing this,

569
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,959
Speaker 1: I'm going to do that. She has a show this week,

570
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: I'm doing a show next week. We're collaborating, Like I

571
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: think you need that kind of spirit of constant collaboration

572
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,439
Speaker 1: and a little competition, which is very much in New York.

573
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: So that to me is like really coming through first

574
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: of all. And I think it gives you a sense

575
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: of like, it gives you a sense of your play,

576
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: not your place, but it like taps you in a

577
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: bit to your power. And I think that there's something

578
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: about leaving New York or or there's something a little

579
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: bit uh lonely and a little bit egocentric with like

580
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: where is the journey taking me next? Where do I

581
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: want to go? That is very much about this this

582
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: passage card. And to me I get a sense that

583
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: like by um and this goes back to the optimism

584
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: by by like really planning your feet in the sand

585
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: at ree speech and being like, Okay, this is it.

586
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: I affirmed this, I want this. I'm not just cast

587
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: away here. I think it might be a richer for you.

588
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: So to me, that has to come through though intellectually

589
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: rationally like what are you wanting that you're not getting

590
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: and what's blocked? I don't think that gets answered by

591
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 1: a move, but it still needs to get answered while

592
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: you're here, you know. Yeah, what are you feeling? Um? No,

593
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: that all makes sense. I do feel um a sort

594
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: of power in New York. I feel I definitely like

595
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 1: the community, and I feel I thrive on a touch

596
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: of competition and activity. Um I yeah, obviously, the the

597
00:35:55,360 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: l a move like talking about this. It is so embarrassing. Uh.

598
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: It's like, um, job driven, Like part of me feels like, um,

599
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: you know, the television and film industry is much more

600
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: robust in Los Angeles. Uh. And so I feel like

601
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:22,240
Speaker 1: I'm if I'm like serious about career, then I should

602
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: go there. But I also don't like. But I also

603
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: feel like I fear going there because I feel like

604
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: I will lose my power and I don't like, I

605
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: don't want to be a millionaire. I just want like

606
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: steady work, you know. Um. And I don't know if

607
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: it's like happening here in that way to me. When

608
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: I look at the Queen of Wanes, I kind of

609
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: see club Comic, um, just because like when I saw

610
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: you perform Club Comic, I was like, Okay, wow, Sam

611
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: is truly ruling this domain. Because I'm not saying that

612
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 1: you need to be like a a local comic or whatever,

613
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: but Club Comic was like all of this wisdom and

614
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: knowledge about New York and about queer life and about

615
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: nightlife that you like transmuted and everyone in the audience

616
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: is very much in this five of one's which is

617
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,479
Speaker 1: like it felt like this shared conversation and it wasn't

618
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 1: like you were condescending to us. You were actually like

619
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: with us in these dungeons that you were then kind

620
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: of parroting. So I just like this idea of and

621
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: this could be in l A too, But there is

622
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: something about where you are now, this sense of like

623
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: mastery and kind of rulership that I think could be

624
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: like cultivated, and this idea that you're like this a

625
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: powerful figure here. Wow. I love that. I'm thinking for

626
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: your next solo show, say I'm a photo shoot where

627
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: you're styled as the Queen of One. Yes, just these

628
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 1: kind of huge charms, just normous kind of quilts hanging

629
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: off of you with a massive phallic I was about

630
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 1: to say, I mean it's almost too good, Like Queen

631
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 1: of ones can so easily be made into um yeah,

632
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: so yeah, I do feel um that makes sense. I

633
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: think I need to like make a strong choice either way,

634
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: Like if I am staying, I need to embrace the

635
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: stay and not like wonder just like commit yes. And

636
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: by the way, I'm not ruling out like you know,

637
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: Gaga zunt at any point if you want to move.

638
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: I'm just seeing like this, this man on the boat

639
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: in the six of swords. It's reversed. So I'm getting

640
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: a sense like if it is in the cards for

641
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: you to move, like you don't need to be initiating it.

642
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: Like I don't think you would be the thing that's

643
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: like makes that decisions necessarily. It could come for you,

644
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: It could happen. I just don't think, like it doesn't

645
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: need to be forced right now. Yeah, well I love that. Great.

646
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: Then I'm staying and I'm popping off this summer. Wow,

647
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: it's really just what you needed, more encouragement to be

648
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: a pop star, Cliff Girl. Yes, Wow, thank you, Lovely, Yeah,

649
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: thank you, George, my my love. Okay, So I I'm okay,

650
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: here's what I'm interested in. This is a crazy episode.

651
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: We are we are on a this is um Oomphs

652
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: in their sincerity era, Like like, you know, we did

653
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: the ernest Miss Bonanza a few months ago and ever

654
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 1: since we've been addicted to getting sincere and yeah, we thought,

655
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing. When we did the Earnestness bananza,

656
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: we were like, God, that was so embarrassing, and then

657
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: people kept reaching out and telling us how much they

658
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: loved it, and so you know, we're gonna get we

659
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: can't not give the people what they want. One of

660
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: my oomps in their sincerity era ops, and their sin

661
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 1: is Nelly for tato butterfly, but bird not is butterfly. No,

662
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: Cheryl Crow is wild wild flower. Okay, all right, So

663
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: Andrew Barrymore is flower. Yes, Nellie for Tato is bird,

664
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: and Marich Carre is butterfly. Okay, yes, and if you

665
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: don't know, and that's astrology. Actually that's what you just

666
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: described as astrology. And those are the main zodiac time. Yes, yes,

667
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,479
Speaker 1: the of the campfire. Yes, I'm gonna actually I'm gonna

668
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: make a note of that, and we're going to commission

669
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: someone to make an astrology chart with those animals as um. Okay,

670
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: here's what I am interested in. I okay, So in

671
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: terms of my creative output, I have always been interested

672
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: in in every I've written, And when I used to

673
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: do stand up, it was driven by a desire to

674
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: make some kind of social commentary rather than mine my

675
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: own life for for kind of a more autobiographical type thing.

676
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: I mean, both of the larger scale scripts I've written

677
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: are both like in some capacity, like tech satires of

678
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,959
Speaker 1: some sort, and I was always interested in that blah blah.

679
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: I've been recently thinking I might want to attempt to

680
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: actually excavate my own life more and to write something

681
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: more vulnerable, but it will be a very big change,

682
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:43,439
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure. I'm just I don't know if

683
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: it is a weird time to make that decision, or

684
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: if I need to double down on what I think

685
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: I am either best at or at least more um

686
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: have more practice in. So I guess my question is

687
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: more about, like, I'm at a point right now where

688
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: I just finished at least a first draft of something

689
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: I've been working on for a while, and there's still

690
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: a lot of work to be done. But I'm looking

691
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 1: forward to what my next the next thing I write

692
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: will be, and I'm wondering about like the creative direction

693
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 1: I should take. What a juicy question and by extension

694
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: kind of like where I want what I want my

695
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: outlook to be as I try to, you know, form

696
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: a career in the next few years, Like where do

697
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: I fit in a couple of careersts? Over here, we're

698
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: addicted to the stuff. Wait, I feel like we both

699
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: asked the questions in a way that was not career

700
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: is no, No, I think it was very tasteful. So

701
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: first of all, before we even get into the reading

702
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: the thing, I just want to say, like to give

703
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: a little astrological point of view. You know, you're both

704
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: cancers and a lot of like I say this a lot,

705
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: but like a lot of our favorite pop women are

706
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: cancers because cancer is the sign of like the mother

707
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 1: the tribe. Cancer represent sense the mammary glands, and because

708
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: of that, cancer is a storyteller, like cancer is supposed

709
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: to like pass on the lifeblood of the tribe. So

710
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 1: someone like Caroline Polcheck or roy she Murphy or Charlotte

711
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 1: Gainsburg are all like these very good songwriters because they're

712
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 1: able to like tell these um rich personal archetypal stories.

713
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: So I just want to lay that out first of

714
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 1: all for you, George. But um I will show you

715
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: what we got, Okay, So first of all, we have

716
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: the nine No, No, we have the Eight of Swords,

717
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: which shows a blindfolded woman who's bound in ropes and

718
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: she's surrounded by swords. It looks the swords are pinned

719
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: into the earth, and it looks like she's tied up

720
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: to the swords, but she's not tied up to anything.

721
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: She can walk away of her own free will at

722
00:43:53,480 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: any point. Okay, that reversed. Oh God, this thing I

723
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 1: have to say. But we'll get back to it, okay.

724
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: And we have the Empress, so we see her also

725
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: holding a giant phallic wand um she is holding she

726
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 1: has a shield with the symbol for Venus on it. Great.

727
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: And then finally, um, we have the page of cups. Um,

728
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: so we see kind of a young dandy with a

729
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: cup um and a little fish emerging from it. And

730
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: your page of cups is reversed. So before we get

731
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: into it, are you is anything jumping out at you? Um? Okay,

732
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: so the I mean, obviously the first one is almost

733
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: two on the nose. It's like when I first saw it,

734
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 1: it seemed so menacing, and it seemed like this person

735
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: at this this woman at the center of it is bound.

736
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: I mean she's literally bound in gaged. Very um, you know,

737
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: very promising. But then you made the point that she

738
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: actually is not tied to anything and she can walk away.

739
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: So I could see that being kind of the type

740
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: of thing where I and you know, I'm doing what

741
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: I think comes easiest to me and perhaps feel somehow

742
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: limited by that. Um. But it is up to me.

743
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: I have the free will I have, I have the

744
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: possibility of of moving forward the Empress. It's interesting because

745
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: I see some parallels with Sam's cars as well, because

746
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: both of us in the center had like a right

747
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: side up powerful woman holding a phallic object. Um, and

748
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: one is a queen and one is an empress. So

749
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: I hope at least that that means either that I

750
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: do have some sort of control over everything, or that

751
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: I have despite the fact that various other things are happening,

752
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: there's some root of um. You know, there's some nucleus

753
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: of power that I can happen to. UM. And then

754
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: the last one, So you said, it's a dandy holding

755
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: a cup with a fish jumping out of it and

756
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: it's upside down. Uh yeah to me, Yeah, I don't know.

757
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: I mean I to no, no, I'm I'm I want

758
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: to try. Like I mean the fish, the cup with

759
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 1: the fish jumping out of it. There's something very old

760
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: comedy about I was gonna say, Max Witter vibes, I

761
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: was getting real nex winter Max Twitter is the definition

762
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: of a dandy holding a cup with a fish jumping

763
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: out of it. Um. And you know, I mean maybe

764
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: it represents some kind of creative risk or maybe it

765
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: represents uh, you know, I'm I saw I'm also a

766
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: water signed so maybe there's something there. I don't know, David.

767
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you take good from here. Sam, are

768
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: you seeing anything? Um? I agree with Georgia's take that

769
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: for the most part. I guess it's weird. Um. Maybe

770
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,919
Speaker 1: it's sticking out that two of them are upside down

771
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: or reversed. Um. That feels like chaotic in a weird way. Um,

772
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: but that's mostly what I'm Also, it's now really really

773
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: kind of jumping out that, like the symmetry of it,

774
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: Like it's the Empress in the middle, and then the

775
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,439
Speaker 1: two upside down people, one male, one female on either

776
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: side of her. Also just the one each person. It's

777
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: like one person in each card, which feels like, I

778
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: don't know, solitary or something very good. Sam, Um, I

779
00:47:55,680 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: mean you're you're such a natural. Look. Swords, like I said,

780
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: as air and intellect, swords are pens and sword is.

781
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: Swords are associated with like the written word. Um. If

782
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: we think about the air element, so each wand's cups, pinnacles,

783
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: and swords are all associated with a different element, and

784
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: then of course in astrology we have the air signs,

785
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 1: earth signs, water signs, fire signs. If we think about

786
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 1: the air signs Gemini, Aquarius, and Libra, especially Aquarius and Gemini,

787
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: that they're very much associated with the dissemination of information.

788
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: Of course, we're in an aquarian era right now, Twitter, clubhouse, etcetera, etcetera,

789
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: all of these forms of disseminating information. When I see

790
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: this woman who thinks she's bound to these swords, and

791
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: this might be a little personal because I know you, George,

792
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:01,720
Speaker 1: but I do feel like you often have these associations

793
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: of I am working in this medium and this is

794
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: what and I understand that because like, especially for something

795
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: like stand up, you have to like go through all

796
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: of these um rights of passage to kind of like

797
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: earn your place, etcetera, etcetera. But to me, there is

798
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: a rigidity here and this sense of like if you're

799
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: if you're approaching this career goal, you have to do

800
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: this sort of work. And I'm seeing just a sense

801
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: of I mean, and it doesn't take a lot for

802
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: me to see this, like it's kind of obvious. Just yeah,

803
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: there's there's not there's a sense of rigidity um. And

804
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: there's a sense of limited possibilities maybe or maybe a

805
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 1: sense of linearity of your career path UM that I

806
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,439
Speaker 1: think is starting to get a little bit binding um

807
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: and a little bit like maybe a little bit suffocating um.

808
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: And then the opposite of that energy is the Empress.

809
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: So UM. I love that you associated it with Sam's

810
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: Queen of Wands because they are very similar. Um. Anytime

811
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: I pull the Empress, I think of Melissa rich Um.

812
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: The Empress is like unbound, liberated, free, The Empress is

813
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: The Empress is associated with Taurus and astrology. She is

814
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: Venus incarnate, She's Venus and furs. The Empress is all

815
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: about like um, total sensuality, abundance, excess, this sense of

816
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: like the Queen of Wands is like getting fucked in

817
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: the throne room. The Empress is like fuck me in

818
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: the fields. Like. The Empress is so in her body,

819
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: so in her senses, so in like sensation in herself,

820
00:50:55,640 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: so to me. The Empress is really supporting this idea

821
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: of your lived experience. You in your body, the reactions

822
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: you are having, the feelings you're having, that's what's needing,

823
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: That's what it would be exciting to cultivate, which would

824
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: happen through a more personal type of writing. Uh, it's

825
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: more in your point of view, in your body, in

826
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: your experience, in your sexuality. Um, rather than that, there's

827
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: something about these the aid of Swords that it's so

828
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: zoomed out and it's so it's so tapped in with

829
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: what's going on in the larger world, which is great.

830
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 1: But there's an immediacy about the Empress that I find

831
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: really like, I just think would be so incredible from you,

832
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: And like I know I have always been saying, like

833
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: we need a book of essays from you, but um,

834
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: there is just something about like your point of view

835
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: that we know and we like that is so amazing

836
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: about the more large scale stuff, but to get it

837
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: about your individual life and even I know when I'm

838
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 1: listening to this podcast, like whenever I hear a little

839
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: tidbit about your high school years or about going to

840
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,919
Speaker 1: Greece from New Jersey, I'm like completely fascinated. So that's

841
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: where I see the emperors coming in. How is this

842
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: feeling so far? This feels great? Very it's it resonates cups. Yeah,

843
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: is water water? Of course, cancers a water sign. Water

844
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: is intuition, empathy, um, the kind of invisible forces and

845
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: senses love kind of the more sentimental, emotional world swords

846
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: is way more rational, way more removed, way more like

847
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: satirist commentator coups is way more cancer storyteller Caroline Polcheck. Okay,

848
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 1: the page. So if we think of the queen as

849
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:57,720
Speaker 1: ruling from her throne, the page is beginning a new journey.

850
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: The page is a young prince ling, a young dandy

851
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: just going on their first adventures. And this fish, if

852
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,280
Speaker 1: we think of the cup as like your intuition, your ideas,

853
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: your imagination, this fish is kind of emerging to talk

854
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: to you. So to me, I think this process and

855
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: the reason I saw it as as reversed is because

856
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be challenging for you. Is

857
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: it's a more intuitive process because the type of writing

858
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: you'd be doing would not be reactive to what's going

859
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: on in the world or satirizing larger cultural trends, but

860
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: it would be doing more body work to the empress,

861
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: somatic work, therapeutic work, which then is uncovering memories, emotions, feelings,

862
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: intuitions that you're then either through a pilot or a

863
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: movie or book of essays or whatever putting out. But

864
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: it's not an immediate or a reactive process. It's a

865
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: more intuitive involution, right than a So it requires different

866
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 1: faculties which are very Cancerrian. But I think for you, George,

867
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 1: it might be a little bit of like again, and

868
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 1: it's the page the pages in a learning process. He's

869
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: never done any of these things before. It's all new

870
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: to Huh, Well, how is that sitting with either? No.

871
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think that the being less

872
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: reactive part is resonating a lot, because I often think

873
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: that I'm at my or I often feel more safe

874
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: when I'm reacting to things because there's something almost protective

875
00:54:55,000 --> 00:55:00,479
Speaker 1: about it. Where I mean, it's kind of I don't.

876
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 1: I think criticism is very valuable, obviously, and I respect

877
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: a lot of critics. It's not that all I'm saying

878
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: is like, to be a critic, you're inherently protected by

879
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 1: the sense of distance you have from something you're commenting on,

880
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: rather than creating something from scratch, And so I do

881
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: feel more at home in that reactive mode. Um. I do, however,

882
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: believe that it's not That's not to say that being

883
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 1: reactive is inherently bad or that like commentary or criticism

884
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: is less valuable. It's just you know, it's a different mode.

885
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 1: And I think in you know, ideally I would be

886
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: able to combine the two and be ah able to

887
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: do something that is coming from a personal or vulnerable

888
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,479
Speaker 1: place while also making some kind of larger commentary about

889
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: the world, which I think is is kind of maked

890
00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: into it. Um. But but I I do see what

891
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 1: you're saying about like kind of outside in versus inside

892
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: out creative processes, um, And I relate to the kind

893
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: of inwardness or like to a desire to create something

894
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: that is more that comes from more from within rather

895
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: than takes its energy from from the outside world. Yeah,

896
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: to me, I agree with you, George, And like, yeah,

897
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: it's not the the form itself that you've been in. Uh,

898
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: it's the idea that that's all you can or should

899
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 1: be doing, or the the form the process that you

900
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: might be a little bit stuck in. I think it's

901
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: like I think you do what you do so well. Um,

902
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: I think this is just like a whole different thing, um.

903
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 1: And we're wanting to integrate both of them. But yes,

904
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 1: I agree, it doesn't mean one or the other say

905
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: um um, I love it. I'm excited for George to write,

906
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: um HBOS girls. That is I mean, that is what

907
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: you're saying, right, David, that I should write HBOS. You're

908
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: telling George to go out there and write HBOS girls. Correct.

909
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: If there's one thing everyone can take out of this episode,

910
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: as you know what, go out there and write HBOS

911
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: girls for quick, for Quimby HBO's George is it's girls,

912
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: but all of them are me. I love that. God well,

913
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: I mean that's juicy. Honestly, that was a slay. That

914
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: was a Yeah. Introspection is crazy. Actually, introspiction is crazy.

915
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: I do want to know, David, just more broadly speaking,

916
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: if you can give us a little preview astrologically into

917
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: what's coming for everyone maybe in the next few months.

918
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: Trend watch. Jupiter, planet of abundance and philosophical expansion, is

919
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: currently in Aquarius. It is going to dip into Pisces

920
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: from May thirteenth through July. Jupiter rules Pisces. Pisces is

921
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: the sign of grand communal consciousness, cinema, imagination, dreams, intuition, uh,

922
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 1: the the large human, the one populist okay, and Jupiter

923
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: is the planet of abundance. So when Jupiter returns to

924
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: its domain from May thirteenth through July, some astrologers I've

925
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: heard have called it the oasis. There's just going to

926
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: be a sense of like joy, pleasure, and I think

927
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: like revelry and rapture. Wait, hold on, David, what are

928
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: the exact dates? May thirteenth through July. There's going to

929
00:58:54,720 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: be uh, both our birthdays are included in that, Sam, right, yeah, yes,

930
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: we need to check. Though. There's a mercury retrograde for

931
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: about two and a half weeks in June. That's going

932
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: like it'll be joyful, but just a little bit messy,

933
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: like so scramble things because it's in Gemini. So I

934
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: think it's just going to go like kind of from

935
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: camp fire Girl into like dungeon girl into like terrorist

936
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: girl and then um, it'll be a nice little phase

937
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: this summer. So like I hate when people say, like

938
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: this summer it's all going to happen for me, But

939
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: I do feel like there is going to be some

940
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: pleasure to be happen. No, this summer, it's all going

941
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: to happen. And also not for nothing, it's my thirtieth birthday.

942
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: That's happening during that era. It's gonna pop off. It's

943
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: gonna pop off. I'm going to be like good terrorist girl.

944
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:57,919
Speaker 1: You know, terrists totally like terrorists gets such a bad

945
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: rep like sometimes they're doing it for good reason, like

946
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: poison ivy, Like like like poison ivy. I'm going to

947
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: literally be poison ivy. I mean I have to say,

948
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: you know, this is all making me rethink my optimism

949
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: is pessimism and pessimism is optimism. But that is my

950
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: That is a big issue that I have with like

951
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: a lot of Okay, I think that when astrology is

952
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: done right, it is reminding you that your whole life

953
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 1: is cyclical and that you are just like a tiny

954
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: piece of a larger machine, and that like there I

955
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: find it like at the start of the new year,

956
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: when people are like, this is my year, That's when

957
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, that is that is? Is that optimism is pessimism? Yes, yes,

958
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 1: like that optimism is pessimistic. Yes, But I do feel

959
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 1: like when astrology is properly understood, I think it's a

960
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: little more pessimism is optimism, which is because you recognize

961
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: how small you are in the world exactly, and you

962
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 1: recognize is that like you go through phases and that

963
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: you are entitled to like having your moment, but that

964
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: it's like a part of a bigger framework. Yes, that

965
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 1: is hard to remember. I do have to always remind

966
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 1: myself that, you know, you can get attention at sometimes

967
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 1: and then rest it. You don't have to be getting

968
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: attention constantly every second of every day. You can rest

969
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: it well, not just attenson like you know, any kind

970
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: of positive fulfillment or romantic fulfillment or um liking your

971
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 1: family for example, just yeah, like any of those right,

972
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: an astrology will say like this is not the year

973
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 1: to like your family. Maybe like yeah in two years,

974
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: you know when when we have to wait activity in

975
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: your third house or something, but not this year, which

976
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 1: is nice because you're like, Okay, I don't have to

977
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 1: force it, and I do want to go back to you.

978
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: David comment. I want you to comment on my dad's

979
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: prediction theory that the pandemic is accelerating everything by five years.

980
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 1: How do you see that? Is that? Is there any

981
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 1: does that resonate at all? Yes? Actually so. Jupiter abundance Saturn,

982
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: planet of constriction and structure. We're in Capricorn until last December,

983
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: Capricorn is the sign of the state of governance, of

984
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: a rulership of kind of the old guard. They've both

985
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 1: moved into Aquarius. Uh, Saturn will be there for two

986
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: and a half years. Aquarius is the sign of new structures,

987
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: thinking forward, thinking ahead to the future. Last time Saturn

988
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 1: was an Aquarius of course, you know, fall of the

989
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 1: Berlin Wall, okay, uh, start of the Internet. So I

990
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 1: do think we are at an event horizon moment where

991
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: like everything has to burn out and die so that

992
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 1: from the ashes we can like truly create something new.

993
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 1: So I love that. Yeah, okay, yeah, you know, if anything,

994
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: this episode has made me even more excited for summer.

995
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: I think we're all real are saying that, um, we

996
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 1: need to go to respeech like now, uh and once

997
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 1: we are there everything will click into place. I don't

998
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 1: have any panic attacks at Respeech this summer, did you

999
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: last year? Yeah? Because yeah, yeah, I there's no escape

1000
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: and sometimes I'm like, wow, there's if I like turn

1001
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: my head around, there's like a gay comedian that I've

1002
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 1: made out with at one point in my life, and

1003
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: like the only way out is to drown, you know,

1004
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 1: m M so I hope that doesn't happen. Well, it won't.

1005
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: I have a feeling. I mean, if anyone's drowning, it's

1006
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: me by jumping off a cliff. But it will be

1007
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 1: a happy neck. Um, just seeing people in real life

1008
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 1: in the summer. It's gonna feel good. You know what

1009
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 1: this is like? Just I I do want us to

1010
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 1: go into these next fifty episodes and this next era

1011
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 1: with unbridled optimism and the right kind. Yeah, and I

1012
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: think we have that now. And it's fans of optimism

1013
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 1: that is selfless, um of spirit, generosi spirit. Of course?

1014
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 1: Do we like do a what do we do now? George? Wow?

1015
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:21,479
Speaker 1: It falls on the emperence yet empress yet again. Yeah,

1016
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 1: I'm only here to receive. I'm uh, simply the Queen. No.

1017
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 1: I think I think we're ending at on a on

1018
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 1: a nice note. I don't know. I feel I'm very

1019
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 1: grateful to David for giving us his time and his talents,

1020
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 1: and I, um, maybe we should say if someone wants

1021
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 1: a reading from you, David, where they can find you. Yes,

1022
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 1: this was a major pleasure. I've been looking forward to

1023
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 1: it all week. Um. I my website because I changed

1024
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: my name. My website is under construction. You can email

1025
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 1: me a David Odyssey at gmail dot com. You can

1026
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 1: dm me on Instagram to David Underscore Odyssey. Um and

1027
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 1: I do drology tarot and you know we can discuss

1028
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 1: and make a plan. Um. So. And it's compatible with

1029
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 1: a sense of humor, which is shocking and rare. I got,

1030
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 1: it's really rare. It's really that's market any Like, That's

1031
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: the darkest thing I think about all of this is

1032
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: like how bleakly humorless a lot of these like sites

1033
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: or brands are, especially with It's so just like Etsy

1034
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 1: Earnest in a dark way, right. Yeah, well yeah, thanks

1035
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 1: so much for doing this, David. This was really lovely

1036
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 1: true pleasure. Um and uh and and onwards we go.

1037
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 1: Here's to fifty more years of more years incredible podcasting,

1038
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 1: have incredible podcasting. Um and I cannot wait to go

1039
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 1: right back to being negative when we have Benito on

1040
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 1: and I yell at for post TV two photo. Yeah,

1041
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 1: next episode, we're going to be mean to who. I

1042
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 1: don't care who it is. You know, we're not we're

1043
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: being mean. Okay, it's time and you but you know what,

1044
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 1: this was a good check. This was a good earnestness

1045
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 1: check in, a good sincerity check in. We it was

1046
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 1: needed and it will invigorate us for fifty more years.

1047
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: We're never gonna die, except for when I jump off

1048
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:24,959
Speaker 1: the cliff with joy. And with that, let's go out

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