1
00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,880
Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are

2
00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:07,720
Speaker 1: you a Charlotte?

3
00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:13,600
Speaker 2: Hi? Everyone, welcome to Are You a Charlotte Today. It's exciting.

4
00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:18,599
Speaker 1: We have Craig Bierco, who plays Raking, the jazz guy.

5
00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:21,759
Speaker 2: Very very very exciting to talk to him.

6
00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:26,079
Speaker 1: His first episode with us aired in two thousand and

7
00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,360
Speaker 1: one June tenth, two thousand and one, and it's called

8
00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:32,040
Speaker 1: Defining Moments, and it was really really fun to catch up.

9
00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,280
Speaker 1: He's had a really fascinating career and we hear about

10
00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,640
Speaker 1: some very interesting things that he has done in the past.

11
00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,800
Speaker 1: He's really really fun and he's so great as Ray King,

12
00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,159
Speaker 1: as I'm sure you'll all remember. So please enjoy talking

13
00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,720
Speaker 1: with Craig Bierk. Let me just say I'm so, so

14
00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,880
Speaker 1: so excited that you're joining us because I.

15
00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:53,680
Speaker 2: Often think about you.

16
00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, Craig Vierico came on our show at the

17
00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,560
Speaker 1: weirdest time. You play the most like we were in.

18
00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,200
Speaker 1: We were already in. We had big, we had aiden,

19
00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,360
Speaker 1: there were these long storylines and then we just walked

20
00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,880
Speaker 1: in the middle of it, you know, to play your

21
00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:14,520
Speaker 1: fantastic jazz man as we call you, who's technically your

22
00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,600
Speaker 1: name is Ray King, Ray k It's a good name.

23
00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,679
Speaker 1: So take us back. What was it like, what do

24
00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:23,679
Speaker 1: you remember? How did it happen?

25
00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,920
Speaker 3: Oh? Well, at the time, I was I think I

26
00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:32,160
Speaker 3: was on the last part of my year doing The

27
00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,320
Speaker 3: Music Man. Susan Stroman had done a revival of The

28
00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,360
Speaker 3: Music Man and I had been doing that for the year,

29
00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,600
Speaker 3: so I was sort of in that zone, just kind

30
00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:46,600
Speaker 3: of robotically not doing the show. But you know what it's.

31
00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,080
Speaker 2: Like, Yeah, it shows a week full, it shows a week.

32
00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,120
Speaker 3: It's it's really something. And so I was I had

33
00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,800
Speaker 3: been doing that for close to a year, and the

34
00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:59,040
Speaker 3: call came. And as you know, when you're if you're

35
00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,480
Speaker 3: doing a show that's you know, eight a week, you're

36
00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:06,639
Speaker 3: you're never not completely exhausted, and the the nobody tells

37
00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,720
Speaker 3: you that after you get over the thrill of being

38
00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,840
Speaker 3: on a Broadway show, the single greatest thing about it

39
00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:17,079
Speaker 3: is that you have license to say no to everything. Everything.

40
00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,360
Speaker 3: You don't have to go anywhere, you don't have to

41
00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,560
Speaker 3: talk to anybody, you can be late, you can not

42
00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,119
Speaker 3: And and this came along in my and a couple

43
00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,120
Speaker 3: of things had come along and I I was really

44
00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,600
Speaker 3: just too tired. It wasn't that it was that some

45
00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,400
Speaker 3: of the things I didn't want to do, but some

46
00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,880
Speaker 3: of the things I just thought, there's no way I

47
00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:41,120
Speaker 3: could do this. And and this came along and I

48
00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:45,040
Speaker 3: read it, and I of course, I you know, I

49
00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,760
Speaker 3: wanted to do it, and when I read it, I thought,

50
00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,760
Speaker 3: I can't not do it. I mean, it's I've never

51
00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:52,440
Speaker 3: read a part like this. I don't know that I've

52
00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:57,760
Speaker 3: seen a part like that since actually, which is crazy,

53
00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:03,720
Speaker 3: but I had. I had such a great time. There

54
00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,920
Speaker 3: were a couple of things that you know, I remember,

55
00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,000
Speaker 3: I remember you guys were all unfailingly nice and welcome.

56
00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:14,000
Speaker 3: Well thanks not It's not always the case, you know,

57
00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,760
Speaker 3: And I've done a couple of shows where I was

58
00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:21,040
Speaker 3: in your position, and you know, it was it. I remember,

59
00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,920
Speaker 3: you know, I wanted to, you know, pay attention to

60
00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,520
Speaker 3: that example. It's important, I think, I think it is

61
00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,680
Speaker 3: not only just because it's what decent human beings do,

62
00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,880
Speaker 3: but also you're going to get the best performance from

63
00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,520
Speaker 3: a guest the sooner they feel like they're part of

64
00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,080
Speaker 3: the cast, and the more a cast can make them

65
00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,800
Speaker 3: feel like a regular part of the caste Literally, little

66
00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:47,440
Speaker 3: things like developing inside jokes and stuff like that. It matters.

67
00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,320
Speaker 3: I think I had one scene with the rest of

68
00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,000
Speaker 3: you guys where she introduces me.

69
00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,680
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, we didn't have enough stuff with you. We

70
00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:56,040
Speaker 1: definitely didn't nothing.

71
00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,640
Speaker 3: I got no experience with the rest of the gals,

72
00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:03,680
Speaker 3: which was too bad. But I didn't I enjoyed the storyline.

73
00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,560
Speaker 1: You're so good in this character. It's so perfect for you,

74
00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,280
Speaker 1: Like it's a perfect union, don't you think, Well, is

75
00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,040
Speaker 1: that what you mean when you said you haven't gotten

76
00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:13,080
Speaker 1: that many scripts like this?

77
00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:13,240
Speaker 3: Is?

78
00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:14,800
Speaker 2: Like, what exactly do you mean by that?

79
00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:20,360
Speaker 3: Oh? It is? Yeah, I mean I if I love

80
00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,600
Speaker 3: a script, it can be for any number of reasons

81
00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,200
Speaker 3: it's but for this one, it was what I recognized.

82
00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:31,920
Speaker 3: I thought, you know, listen, it's a common affliction. I'm

83
00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,320
Speaker 3: not ashamed of it, but I grew up with ADHD

84
00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,880
Speaker 3: and I'd never seen it represented as anything but a

85
00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,359
Speaker 3: comic conceit, and it is used as a bit of

86
00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,599
Speaker 3: a comic conceit. But I do feel also like it's

87
00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:48,120
Speaker 3: I wouldn't want something like that treated with reverence. I

88
00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,360
Speaker 3: want it. I'd want to look at and if I

89
00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,800
Speaker 3: was going to inhabit it, I would want it to

90
00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,799
Speaker 3: be as close to my own experience as possible, you know, yeah,

91
00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,359
Speaker 3: this case was particularly tents.

92
00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I.

93
00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,320
Speaker 3: Can say there's nothing in that script that I don't recognize.

94
00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:07,240
Speaker 2: Amazing.

95
00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,960
Speaker 1: I love that. That's really interesting. I didn't realize that.

96
00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,479
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that, but I guess so perfect.

97
00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,400
Speaker 3: That's your writers. And also the in performance too. It

98
00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:20,560
Speaker 3: was it was immediately comfortable and I and I and

99
00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,640
Speaker 3: it was that old joke like I had lived the

100
00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,599
Speaker 3: trope of the very first job I got, they said,

101
00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,080
Speaker 3: can you ride a horse? I was like, can I

102
00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,840
Speaker 3: ride a horse? And then I went and like had

103
00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:31,520
Speaker 3: to take course back writing lessons and it was a

104
00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,560
Speaker 3: I almost got killed. But everybody's got stories like that.

105
00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,840
Speaker 3: And there's something about getting on, you know. And another

106
00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,479
Speaker 3: joke that I've always heard but I hadn't experienced until

107
00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,479
Speaker 3: then was you meet somebody and you jump right into

108
00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:52,240
Speaker 3: bed the most intimate scene. And we had some pretty

109
00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,200
Speaker 3: intimate I mean, you guys got kind of body on

110
00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,760
Speaker 3: the show, which is which is great, yes, but to

111
00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:58,240
Speaker 3: jump inside.

112
00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,760
Speaker 2: Of that, yeah, I mean yeah, yeah, it's a lot

113
00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:03,720
Speaker 2: was and.

114
00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,520
Speaker 3: I remember thinking this is sort of I wonder if

115
00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,440
Speaker 3: this is they throw you into the deep end of

116
00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,280
Speaker 3: the pool. So because there's so much because once that

117
00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,200
Speaker 3: was out of the way and it wasn't any I

118
00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,479
Speaker 3: actually didn't feel uncomfortable because she was so much fun, yeah,

119
00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,280
Speaker 3: and made it so light and not about what it was,

120
00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,560
Speaker 3: and it was technical and she really knows what she's

121
00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,640
Speaker 3: doing obviously, yes, and I felt I just remember walking

122
00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,080
Speaker 3: onto the set and I certain I'm not an arrogant person,

123
00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,440
Speaker 3: So I didn't feel like, all right, line up. I

124
00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:36,240
Speaker 3: just felt like I felt very at home and comfortable

125
00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,080
Speaker 3: and creative, and that's the most important thing, Like, oh,

126
00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,640
Speaker 3: whatever they've hired me to do, I feel like all

127
00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,400
Speaker 3: my pistons are firing and ready to go.

128
00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:44,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

129
00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,080
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what I see when I watch you,

130
00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,480
Speaker 1: and that that's also, I think, such an interesting thing

131
00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,360
Speaker 1: to think about because one of the things that we've

132
00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,000
Speaker 1: talked about amongst ourselves on the podcast, it was when

133
00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,800
Speaker 1: we started the show and the guys would come in

134
00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:04,240
Speaker 1: and you you were I think, like you were. I mean,

135
00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,039
Speaker 1: but this is just about you as a person too,

136
00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,320
Speaker 1: Like you were on Broadway. You're doing the music man,

137
00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,720
Speaker 1: You're coming in for this part that you already knew

138
00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:10,960
Speaker 1: it was.

139
00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,920
Speaker 2: However, many episodes, right, like was it?

140
00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,560
Speaker 3: I can't remember there was two episodes, But I love that.

141
00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,320
Speaker 3: This is one of those shows where people were like

142
00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:18,880
Speaker 3: that was I loved you on that season?

143
00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,720
Speaker 1: Well good, I mean, because that's how I feel about

144
00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,160
Speaker 1: it too. I felt like it was longer, right because

145
00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:28,520
Speaker 1: like you came on and were immediately able to be

146
00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:33,040
Speaker 1: fully present, and that's why I think the character stands

147
00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,000
Speaker 1: out like there wasn't like a ramp of learning, like

148
00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,840
Speaker 1: you were just there.

149
00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. I felt it was very wise. The whole thing

150
00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,440
Speaker 3: was handled very well. And you'd have to tell me

151
00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,360
Speaker 3: if that if that existed before and after in the

152
00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,080
Speaker 3: series and the movies and stuff. But it was very

153
00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:54,040
Speaker 3: wise to bring me in. And I met with Sarah Jeska.

154
00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:58,040
Speaker 3: I we just met, We talked, right, and I think

155
00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,560
Speaker 3: we both learned much more more doing that than if

156
00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,160
Speaker 3: it was just a conventional audition.

157
00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,800
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and that wasn't always the case on our show. Sometimes,

158
00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,760
Speaker 1: like when we Kyle, they just hired and of course

159
00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,560
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, come booklets here. And

160
00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,800
Speaker 1: then with Evan who came on later as Harry, he

161
00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,440
Speaker 1: had to read with me, So it was maybe like

162
00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,440
Speaker 1: his third callback or something, and I remember, you're just

163
00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,880
Speaker 1: dying for those actors, because of course we's all we've

164
00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,920
Speaker 1: all been there. You're just like, it's so nerve.

165
00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:28,200
Speaker 3: Wracking, difficult situation.

166
00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:33,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have so, I mean, definitely, it's very

167
00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,400
Speaker 1: very clear Jewish get out.

168
00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,320
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, don't don't do you need to see it again,

169
00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,680
Speaker 3: none of that stuff. That was the first thing I learned.

170
00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,120
Speaker 3: You just do it and get out, even if you

171
00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,439
Speaker 3: lay a big stink bomber the hell out. That's what

172
00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,880
Speaker 3: I thought. Genius. You don't want that, you're crazy.

173
00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree, and that that was definitely how

174
00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,600
Speaker 1: Evan was, you know, in terms of like he didn't

175
00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,960
Speaker 1: he wasn't asking for a lot. He just was like,

176
00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,240
Speaker 1: this is what I'm going to do. And it was,

177
00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,880
Speaker 1: of course brilliant. But I would have loved to talk

178
00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,400
Speaker 1: to him too. Write We didn't really get that, Like

179
00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,840
Speaker 1: I think I went out into the to the where

180
00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:05,320
Speaker 1: they were waiting and tried to chat.

181
00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,480
Speaker 3: It's fascinating human being sensitive.

182
00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,480
Speaker 2: It's so true. It's so true, but so are you.

183
00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,040
Speaker 1: And I think at this point in time, to come

184
00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,440
Speaker 1: on our show and be able to just be present

185
00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,040
Speaker 1: with Sarah, you know, and she's she's been going through

186
00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,360
Speaker 1: these long storylines with you know, John and Chris, right,

187
00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:26,439
Speaker 1: and like you must have been such a breath of

188
00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,200
Speaker 1: fresh air. I don't mean that in a negative way,

189
00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:29,880
Speaker 1: but like, you know what I'm saying, Like it was

190
00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:34,400
Speaker 1: so different and when you're rewatching it or watching it

191
00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,880
Speaker 1: the first time, because I don't really remember this part

192
00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:38,600
Speaker 1: of the show that well, which is interesting.

193
00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,280
Speaker 2: Some I remember a lot and some I don't. You're you're,

194
00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,560
Speaker 2: I'm it's so exciting, right, you're watching the show. You're

195
00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,200
Speaker 2: not thinking that she's going to do anything.

196
00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,920
Speaker 1: She's literally on a date with Big but not a date,

197
00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,720
Speaker 1: like a non date date, and you're on stage and

198
00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,200
Speaker 1: you're flirting with her, which I also thought was very

199
00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,200
Speaker 1: bold right of your character.

200
00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:59,760
Speaker 2: And then she's she's into it, and you're just.

201
00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,640
Speaker 1: So leaved as a viewer that she's into someone new,

202
00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,000
Speaker 1: you know, thank god, thank god. I thought it was

203
00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,720
Speaker 1: so so good, And I really really.

204
00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,760
Speaker 3: Didn't have any sense. I didn't have any sense that

205
00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:16,880
Speaker 3: you didn't know. Something that worked for me was I

206
00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,920
Speaker 3: don't know if it would have made a difference ultimately,

207
00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,320
Speaker 3: but so meeting you guys, I was really meeting you guys.

208
00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,200
Speaker 3: I had seen the show, and my girlfriend at the time,

209
00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:29,840
Speaker 3: of course, was completely obsessed and loved the show. I

210
00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,480
Speaker 3: didn't have any time, but I also just was it

211
00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,120
Speaker 3: didn't feel like my show. But anytime I had seen

212
00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:36,880
Speaker 3: it or I watched it with her, I enjoyed it,

213
00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,719
Speaker 3: but not enough to have so much familiarity that when

214
00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:41,440
Speaker 3: I walked in, I was like, that's.

215
00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,040
Speaker 2: The lamp, right, That's a good thing.

216
00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,440
Speaker 3: There wasn't any of that. Like I was familiar with

217
00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,360
Speaker 3: the apartment and all that kind of stuff, and I

218
00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,440
Speaker 3: knew who mister Big was. I knew all you guys were.

219
00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,640
Speaker 3: I basically knew the idea of it, and the tone

220
00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,840
Speaker 3: I got was the most important thing, right, especially when

221
00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,440
Speaker 3: you're coming in yeah, and you're you know, your character

222
00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,760
Speaker 3: hasn't met any of the other people, so you're sort

223
00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,959
Speaker 3: of like you haven't landed in this nest. And in

224
00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,320
Speaker 3: each nest, they have their own way of communicating. Like

225
00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,600
Speaker 3: any group of friends, you have your own secret language,

226
00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,240
Speaker 3: your own you know, and and I think that even

227
00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:22,680
Speaker 3: translates in a in a show or a play that

228
00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:24,920
Speaker 3: where you're just representing a group of friends. There was

229
00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:29,640
Speaker 3: very much that it was a very complete organism. Yes, yes,

230
00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,280
Speaker 3: I actually felt like, oh, this is a great I mean,

231
00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,880
Speaker 3: it's definitely a job. I'm not crazy. I know I'm

232
00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,920
Speaker 3: playing the part, but there is this experience of actually

233
00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:42,400
Speaker 3: meeting these people who I only sort of know, but

234
00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,640
Speaker 3: there wasn't enough familiarity to go.

235
00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,640
Speaker 1: Great, right, that's great, that's great to have the kind

236
00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:49,880
Speaker 1: of balance.

237
00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:51,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a balance, right.

238
00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:53,880
Speaker 3: I like to a lot of people don't work like that.

239
00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,200
Speaker 3: But whatever's right in front of me, that's what I

240
00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,320
Speaker 3: that's what feels the most alive to me.

241
00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:03,000
Speaker 1: I think, yes, and not all men were good at that,

242
00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:04,640
Speaker 1: and that's what I wanted to say earlier, but I

243
00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:06,800
Speaker 1: got off my own track. It was hard in the

244
00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,600
Speaker 1: beginning because in a lot of ways, the men are

245
00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,160
Speaker 1: cast as the girlfriend parts, like what had traditionally been

246
00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,480
Speaker 1: the girlfriend parts that we were very used to doing, right,

247
00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,240
Speaker 1: but it seemed it seems strange for men to be

248
00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:19,520
Speaker 1: in that position.

249
00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:20,839
Speaker 3: It was great.

250
00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,520
Speaker 2: I know, you did just the best job at.

251
00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,560
Speaker 3: It, and it was great. It was great for me

252
00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,080
Speaker 3: in a way that like vitamins are great for you. Yes,

253
00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,160
Speaker 3: here's what it's like to you know, to come in

254
00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,760
Speaker 3: and you're basically. I mean, it's a very well written show,

255
00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,480
Speaker 3: but coming in as a guest on shows that are

256
00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:44,480
Speaker 3: not as well put together, you knows, it's very disoriented.

257
00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,120
Speaker 2: It can be yeah, and you and.

258
00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,720
Speaker 3: At some point at least this has been my experience.

259
00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,640
Speaker 3: You're like, I just fake it, pretend.

260
00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,360
Speaker 2: I'm absolutely, oh absolutely.

261
00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:57,959
Speaker 1: I mean also, I think I don't know how many

262
00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,000
Speaker 1: like half hours you've done or whatever. But there was

263
00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:02,840
Speaker 1: a time where I decided that I wanted to kind

264
00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:04,960
Speaker 1: of even after the show was on, I wanted to

265
00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:06,800
Speaker 1: go and be in different situations. So I went on

266
00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:08,680
Speaker 1: Will and Grace as a guest star. I went on

267
00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:10,560
Speaker 1: Friends as a guest star. You know, I had been

268
00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,320
Speaker 1: on Seinfeld already before the show is.

269
00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:12,679
Speaker 2: A gues star.

270
00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:20,360
Speaker 1: You know, each totally totally different experiences because each you know, environment,

271
00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,560
Speaker 1: eco cause them, whatever you want to call it, are

272
00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,160
Speaker 1: They're different, right, and the vibe is different, and the

273
00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:25,880
Speaker 1: part is different.

274
00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:27,360
Speaker 2: But the thing that would really.

275
00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:31,000
Speaker 1: Frustrate me is that sometimes, especially in the multi camera,

276
00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,680
Speaker 1: they would rewrite your part as the week went on,

277
00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,839
Speaker 1: and You're just like, I don't.

278
00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,560
Speaker 2: Know what I'm doing here at all?

279
00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:43,400
Speaker 3: Really hard are There's so many things that like, nobody's

280
00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,120
Speaker 3: going to ask an actor, Hey, if you're going to

281
00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,800
Speaker 3: restructure the network, how would you do it? But hey,

282
00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,240
Speaker 3: some actor. But I really did think after i'd been

283
00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:57,160
Speaker 3: around the you know, around for a little while, and

284
00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,199
Speaker 3: I had auditioned and tested and even done things that

285
00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,800
Speaker 3: I just thought. I remember reading a book and I

286
00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,440
Speaker 3: read that the Marx Brothers. I'm a huge Marx Brothers fan,

287
00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:13,800
Speaker 3: and the and they their best movies, Uh, they kind

288
00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,760
Speaker 3: of they they went downhill a little bit towards the end,

289
00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:21,320
Speaker 3: but their best movies they toured as shows. There's a

290
00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,360
Speaker 3: different world, but they were broad with you know, they

291
00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,040
Speaker 3: toured them, not just some Broadway but in the boonies.

292
00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,080
Speaker 3: And I always thought, why, if you've got a pilot

293
00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,600
Speaker 3: and you're investing millions of dollars into it, and you're

294
00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,960
Speaker 3: taking a risk with all the casting and all that

295
00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,080
Speaker 3: kind of stuff, why don't you have your don't say anything,

296
00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,320
Speaker 3: don't promote the show, just have the writers say we're

297
00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,360
Speaker 3: gonna pick it up, write four episodes. We're gonna go

298
00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,720
Speaker 3: to Eugene or wherever, and we're gonna run it for

299
00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,160
Speaker 3: a month. We're gonna find out worth and we're gonna

300
00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:53,080
Speaker 3: run four episodes together, cool and just have an evening.

301
00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,320
Speaker 3: I mean they do it now when they bring shows

302
00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,040
Speaker 3: back and they do them live. I mean sort of

303
00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:58,280
Speaker 3: as a joke and it's campy.

304
00:14:58,440 --> 00:14:58,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, but.

305
00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,720
Speaker 3: Sometimes they're not campy. Sometimes they get the original cast

306
00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,200
Speaker 3: and they do them live and they tour. It used

307
00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,160
Speaker 3: to be big, but it's not that big anymore. But

308
00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,520
Speaker 3: I was like, why wouldn't you want to? I mean,

309
00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,320
Speaker 3: it's so great that there's a sex in the city,

310
00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,600
Speaker 3: but you're really just spinning that you're rolling the dice

311
00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,080
Speaker 3: every time you that you're definitely all the elements could

312
00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:20,480
Speaker 3: have been there. But what if you didn't have the

313
00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:24,160
Speaker 3: right director, what if the casting wasn't right with one part?

314
00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,160
Speaker 3: What if I mean anything could have happened. Wouldn't you

315
00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,000
Speaker 3: want to iron out all those problems? It always and

316
00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:34,040
Speaker 3: also you've tested for stuff. Obviously, why are we testing

317
00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,880
Speaker 3: in Eric's office? Why did you build this I'm going

318
00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,440
Speaker 3: off now, Oh, I know, build a fact simile of

319
00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,120
Speaker 3: a sound stage so you can see what we do.

320
00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:46,320
Speaker 1: It's true, it's it's hard to really even imagine that

321
00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:47,720
Speaker 1: anything ever works.

322
00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is amazing. Well, it's it's an explanation for

323
00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:52,040
Speaker 3: why so Little.

324
00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:53,800
Speaker 2: Does That's true too, That's true too.

325
00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, we were very lucky and that HBO really

326
00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,560
Speaker 1: just trusted us, which was the one that.

327
00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:04,200
Speaker 3: Was a I'm Drew barrymore all of a sudden, but

328
00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,640
Speaker 3: that was a that was It really was a unique time.

329
00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really was. We were so lucky to be there.

330
00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, HBO was. It was closer to almost what theater was.

331
00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:16,640
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, yep, yep.

332
00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,360
Speaker 1: They were like, just go, just go do it. Let's see,

333
00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:33,320
Speaker 1: let's see what happens. So this episode, I don't even

334
00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,040
Speaker 1: think I said what it was called. It's called Defining Moments.

335
00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,400
Speaker 1: It aired June tenth, two thousand and one. Let me

336
00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,440
Speaker 1: just ask you a brief question about two thousand and one.

337
00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,120
Speaker 1: This is how I remember the summer of two thousand

338
00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,200
Speaker 1: and one, because we would have gone back to filming

339
00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,040
Speaker 1: in like February, and then the episodes would have aired,

340
00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,240
Speaker 1: you know, kind of as we went, and I remember

341
00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,200
Speaker 1: this summer is just being this incredible, kind of like

342
00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,800
Speaker 1: intense time of everything was amazing in New York and

343
00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,280
Speaker 1: the summer of two thousand and right, summer, do you

344
00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:06,640
Speaker 1: remember that the weather was beautiful, things were just exciting.

345
00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:08,720
Speaker 3: It was right before the world what.

346
00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,320
Speaker 2: Nuts exactly exactly. It was like, yeah, that's how I

347
00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:13,000
Speaker 2: felt as well.

348
00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,400
Speaker 1: And I just feel like it was everything was like brighter,

349
00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,960
Speaker 1: you know, it was it was like a almost.

350
00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,360
Speaker 2: Like a technicolor summer, you.

351
00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:23,400
Speaker 3: Know, yes, yes, beautiful.

352
00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, before things change. So I'm glad that you were

353
00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,399
Speaker 1: a part of our world in that, in that glorious summer.

354
00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. What was the response after you were on the

355
00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:32,320
Speaker 2: show and it aired.

356
00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:38,560
Speaker 3: It's immediate. It's the close I mean, I'm not not

357
00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,359
Speaker 3: in terms of quality, but it was the closest experience

358
00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,560
Speaker 3: I ever had to like maybe being on a soap

359
00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:49,080
Speaker 3: or something, because of the level of familiarity and the

360
00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:50,359
Speaker 3: sense of propriety that.

361
00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,720
Speaker 2: People have with the definitely yes.

362
00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,440
Speaker 3: They're actually they're the They're people walking around thinking you're

363
00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:59,120
Speaker 3: their actual friends. And and so when I went out

364
00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,760
Speaker 3: that night that point when the show aired, I was

365
00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,480
Speaker 3: living up on eighty sixth Street, and I went out

366
00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,000
Speaker 3: for a walk right afterwards, just to get something to eat,

367
00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,000
Speaker 3: and a woman walked right up to me and said,

368
00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:15,800
Speaker 3: are you going to hurt her? Yeah, it's not a

369
00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,200
Speaker 3: great question to ask of large man in New York city.

370
00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:23,159
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was, and I realized, oh, she's she

371
00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:27,560
Speaker 3: meant carry and I went, oh, And she wasn't crazy.

372
00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,520
Speaker 3: She just said, please tell me what's going to happen.

373
00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:33,320
Speaker 3: I said, I really have no idea, but I wouldn't count.

374
00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,359
Speaker 3: And that was when I realized, I think any guys

375
00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,480
Speaker 3: that aren't mister Big or essentially different grades of the

376
00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,400
Speaker 3: guys on Star Trek with the Red Shirts, we're going

377
00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,400
Speaker 3: back down to the planet. But we're not coming back.

378
00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:46,520
Speaker 3: We're not coming back.

379
00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,960
Speaker 2: No, I mean, you never know, right, you never know.

380
00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,120
Speaker 2: I guess you were right. I guess you were right.

381
00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:57,320
Speaker 2: So was it? Were people ever mad at you? Like

382
00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:57,760
Speaker 2: about what?

383
00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:58,040
Speaker 3: Oh?

384
00:18:58,200 --> 00:18:58,840
Speaker 2: No?

385
00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:03,080
Speaker 3: They love the show. And to this day, if if

386
00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,120
Speaker 3: I get I can usually tell now I've got, I've

387
00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:11,400
Speaker 3: accumulated a body of work. I can usually tell here

388
00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,840
Speaker 3: comes the sex and the city person. I can usually

389
00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,159
Speaker 3: tell for sure. And I'm the thing as I get older,

390
00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,159
Speaker 3: the thing that pleases me most of course, is that

391
00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,439
Speaker 3: it's like I must be within the weight range.

392
00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:26,640
Speaker 1: So I mean, we're recognizing, we feel this, okay, we

393
00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:27,840
Speaker 1: all feel the.

394
00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:28,520
Speaker 2: Pressure of that.

395
00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,320
Speaker 3: Terrific. Actually, thank you so much.

396
00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:34,560
Speaker 2: Thank you, so do you so do you the hair.

397
00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,359
Speaker 1: I just' you've got great, great hair, great great hair. Okay,

398
00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:39,920
Speaker 1: so let's talk about the episode for a little bit.

399
00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,040
Speaker 1: The thing that's funny to me about this episode is

400
00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,680
Speaker 1: the incredible cast. We've got yourself, We've got Kyle of course,

401
00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,360
Speaker 1: We've got Sonia Braga comes on, which.

402
00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,879
Speaker 2: Is like, how on earth did this even really happen?

403
00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:51,600
Speaker 3: Right?

404
00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,680
Speaker 1: And then we've got Jim Gavigan, who's playing this kind

405
00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,080
Speaker 1: of like slightly horrible man.

406
00:19:58,359 --> 00:19:59,639
Speaker 2: At least that's my whatever.

407
00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,600
Speaker 1: But I I remember I knew of him and his

408
00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,239
Speaker 1: stand up, but like he's done so incredibly well, Like

409
00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,080
Speaker 1: it's so wonderful to see.

410
00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:08,440
Speaker 2: And he's a sweet See.

411
00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:10,840
Speaker 3: I auditioned with him all the time. I don't know

412
00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:12,560
Speaker 3: why they always put us together, but a couple of

413
00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,159
Speaker 3: times we auditioned for things to get interesting. Such a

414
00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:17,560
Speaker 3: good actor, very actor.

415
00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a very nice guy.

416
00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,760
Speaker 3: And I'm happy for him too, me too. It was

417
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,000
Speaker 3: an incredible cast. I couldn't believe who was there.

418
00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,520
Speaker 2: I know, I mean, like, it's it's pretty exciting, and.

419
00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,000
Speaker 3: I got to work with none of you. I know.

420
00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,600
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I'm sorry you were siloed into the carry world.

421
00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,399
Speaker 3: That's all right. I was a happy camper.

422
00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,159
Speaker 1: Definitely, definitely, and it's so great. So you guys, so

423
00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:41,520
Speaker 1: basically Big we started the show, Big and Carrie are

424
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,639
Speaker 1: friends because she has called him on her birthday because

425
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,080
Speaker 1: she feels bad that no man cares about her on

426
00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,480
Speaker 1: her birthday, which is very relatable, of course. But Big

427
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,959
Speaker 1: is back, but they're friends, which is weird to watch,

428
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,120
Speaker 1: I think, And they go to the Monkey Bar.

429
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,120
Speaker 3: Why did you think it was weird to watch?

430
00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,520
Speaker 1: I think it's weird to watch, I think because we

431
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 1: have invested so much into the Big and Carrie relationship.

432
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 2: They've been through so much, so to see.

433
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,200
Speaker 1: Kind of like a light version, you know, because the

434
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 1: chemistry is still there, obviously, but also she's trying to

435
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,359
Speaker 1: protect herself and he's being his charming self.

436
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:19,879
Speaker 2: You know, there's many aside.

437
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,439
Speaker 3: It's obviously. I mean I watched that scene again and

438
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 3: in the car and I just thought, oh, he's hurting.

439
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,399
Speaker 2: Definitely, I mean, definitely, I love that scene in the

440
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,359
Speaker 2: car so much. I didn't remember it at all. I

441
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 2: remember you being there, and I remember you wearing that hat.

442
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 2: I remember your presence. I know, I know.

443
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 1: I don't know why you wear that why.

444
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 3: I kept asking if I could take it off, and

445
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 3: they were like, they call you you know.

446
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 1: I was like, thank god, you take it off when

447
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,160
Speaker 1: you do, Okay.

448
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 3: I kept taking it off.

449
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 1: I get it, man, we have a whole hat situation

450
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,359
Speaker 1: in our world where the costume people love the hat.

451
00:21:58,560 --> 00:21:59,440
Speaker 2: Sarah loves your hat.

452
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 3: I get it. And it's a fashion forward show.

453
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:02,639
Speaker 2: It is it is.

454
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 3: I also don't know. I can't tell you how many

455
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 3: times I've got a friend who's got a much better

456
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:08,879
Speaker 3: sense of fashion than I do. And if I go,

457
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,639
Speaker 3: if I need a suit, I just take him and

458
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 3: I buy what he says because I can't tell.

459
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of with you. Yeah, I'm not the best.

460
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 1: I try to pretend like I am, but I'm not.

461
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 1: The thing about you is that you're so tall, right,

462
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 1: So you're so tall, so to put a hat on

463
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 1: you does really make you specific Like from that perspective

464
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 1: as a character, it very much makes sense.

465
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 2: So I love that you're up there. Then they go.

466
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 1: Then he takes her for some reason downtown below fourteenth Street.

467
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 1: He says, to a jazz bar, and she doesn't know

468
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 1: anything about jazz, which is also kind of funny. I mean, okay, Carrie,

469
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 1: and there you are right in front of her playing

470
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:43,919
Speaker 1: the bass.

471
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:45,640
Speaker 2: Did you know how to play the bass?

472
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,120
Speaker 3: No? They came in and I still have it. Oh

473
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 3: I should have found it and dug it up. But

474
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 3: they gave me a tape to listen to the song

475
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,639
Speaker 3: that was going to be playing cool. And then I

476
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 3: think somebody I think I seem to remember there was

477
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,160
Speaker 3: a bass player may have showed up the first day

478
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 3: who told me because there is a shot where you

479
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 3: see I'm playing right, and it was they wanted like

480
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 3: two or three notes, so I learned those.

481
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 2: God it okay.

482
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 3: We had to learn trombone from music man, so I

483
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 3: wasn't afraid of that. And also in the character he

484
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 3: and this is this goes for me too. He can

485
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 3: play a lot of instruments a little, which is me.

486
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

487
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: It's a cool character, right, and you make jokes about

488
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:27,880
Speaker 1: it like, oh, I own the bar, which is why

489
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: they let me play.

490
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 3: And he's I think he's kind of not beating himself up.

491
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 3: I think he kind of accepts who.

492
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 2: He is, right. I think is very endearing.

493
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 3: It would have been sad if he was like, oh

494
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 3: this always happens. He's just on the next thing, you know, definitely,

495
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 3: And so he's a he's detached. There was something sad

496
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 3: about him. But I thought, if I, if I even

497
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 3: recognize the fact that there's something sad about him, that

498
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 3: will have to be that's something that exists for the

499
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 3: viewer or anyone else. But I think in his mind

500
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 3: he's just like, oh, that channel's on, which the experience,

501
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 3: if you have add it's like there are five TVs

502
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 3: on and you have to pick the TV that you're

503
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 3: actually having a conversation with, right, and just you learn

504
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 3: to drown out the other TVs.

505
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 2: Right.

506
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 3: But it's that's the fun part is that when there's

507
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 3: nothing going on or something goes sideways, you're like, am

508
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 3: I gonna watch?

509
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 2: I think that's great.

510
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 3: You get all the channels.

511
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. I love that so much. I

512
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 2: love it.

513
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 1: So when you're so you're there and you're playing the bass,

514
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: and they're sitting right in front of you, Big and Carrie,

515
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: and you flirt with her and she flirts back, and

516
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: then Big Big turns around and you send her a note.

517
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, he's so bold. He's so bold.

518
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: I don't remember any of this, right, It's like I

519
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,239
Speaker 1: was watching it for the first time, and she is

520
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 1: like all giggly and adorable, like very clearly you guys

521
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: have chemistry, which again is as viewer, I was so

522
00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: relieved that she likes someone new, thank god, right, because

523
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 1: they're in this weird like friendly thing. But yet there's

524
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: so much undertow happening, right, you want her to have

525
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: something fresh, at least I did. That's how I felt,

526
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: so then I was really glad. But I also thought

527
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: that was kind of bold. Like, if a guy and

528
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: a girl are sitting right in front of you while

529
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: you're on the stage, would you just.

530
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 2: Hand the girl a note? I don't know, but it's cool.

531
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think he's the kind of guy like an

532
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 3: idea crosses his mind and if he didn't do it,

533
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 3: he'd forget about it.

534
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: Got it? Got it?

535
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 3: Yeah? I don't know that. But it's also yeah, I'm

536
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 3: not that kind of guy. I'm me NEI there, but uh,

537
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 3: but I have done that. I'm not setting notes, but

538
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 3: I have. I have gone up to women and just

539
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 3: asked them out. It's a really terrifying part of being

540
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 3: the man.

541
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,479
Speaker 2: It's oh my god, I did it one time. As

542
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 2: you know, honestly, I'm aware admired. Oh it was terrifying.

543
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 2: I was like, how do they do this? How do

544
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 2: they do this?

545
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: And it was it was a terrible, terrible idea that

546
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: I had. I was on location in Canada working and

547
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 1: there was this one guy crew. This is so big

548
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 1: of a no no, right, like really bad no no.

549
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 2: There's this guy on the crew. But he just was

550
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 2: that kind of.

551
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: Guy where like he was always watching. He was kind

552
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 1: of quiet, but he was always watching and like really

553
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: good at his job. But not one of the ones

554
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: where like they're loud and you know, like talking to you,

555
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,479
Speaker 1: they're just like he was just like kind of you know,

556
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 1: confident in in his quiet self, which is always interesting.

557
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 2: And I just really liked him. And I was so bored.

558
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: At this particular job, Like I didn't have a co

559
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: star to hang with really, so I was like, I'm

560
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: just gonna ask that guy out because I would just

561
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: love to have a conversation with him outside of the

562
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: set because he was so quiet on the set. Right,

563
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: Oh my god, horrible idea, horrible idea, just because of

564
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: this the work situation. Right, I think it's a great

565
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: idea for women to try doing this because it's not

566
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: that easy. I mean, maybe the world is different now,

567
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: but like, also, you don't know their situation.

568
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 2: You're just walking in like you could. I couldn't research him.

569
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: It was before social media, right, I couldn't ask anybody

570
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: like what's his deal?

571
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 3: Right?

572
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: And I never heard him mention a significant other or

573
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: anything like that. So I asked him and he just

574
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: stared at his feet and then he was like, I'm

575
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: really sorry, I can't And I was like, oh, no problem,

576
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: no problem, because he had a girlfriend, right, which I

577
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't have known.

578
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: And then the whole rest of the job is so awkward.

579
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 2: But I was like, I've been there.

580
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 3: I've been there. Everybody. You got to learn that lesson,

581
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 3: Oh nobody can.

582
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 2: It's so you've.

583
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 3: Got to live that pain and realize I'm never putting

584
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 3: myself this again.

585
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: I know, I know, but I thought to myself at

586
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: the time, like men do this all the time, Like

587
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: that is not easy.

588
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 3: It's not easy. No, No, I think you just gotta yeah, yes,

589
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 3: it's not easy.

590
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 2: No. No. I mean now they're the apps, so I

591
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 2: guess you could just go on the apps. Though I

592
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 2: me neither okay, me, neither.

593
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 3: Me neither I'm going to die alone with cats.

594
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 2: I'm going to die alone with dogs. Apparently that's it.

595
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 3: That's the way to go.

596
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 2: Well, that's good. We're in it.

597
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 1: We're in it together. But not, okay, let's talk about

598
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 1: the show. Let's talk about the show.

599
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: So I love when you.

600
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: So we're at your bar, which we find out is

601
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: your bar because you walk by carry him Big, and.

602
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 2: They both chat with you. And the thing that I

603
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 2: also thought.

604
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: Was interesting because you're like a very cool character, right,

605
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: and BIG's wearing his beige shuit, which is like the

606
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: worst side of Big. I think the beigeus brown suit.

607
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, So he's wearing his beige suit, and

608
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 1: she's obviously, you know, so much more kind of hip

609
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: and cool and interesting. So you just talked to her

610
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: and then he's like, oh man, you know, he's nice whatever,

611
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: And then you guys all end up in this cab,

612
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: right is that is that?

613
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 2: Is that night that you end up in the cab?

614
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 3: He keeps inviting himself along. Basically he's like, yeah, let's

615
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 3: get a cab.

616
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: I know it's horrible, it's horrible.

617
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 3: It was hilarious, and I had forgotten that he she

618
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 3: gets out of the car and then drives away and

619
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 3: she's looking after him and he starts talking. He got

620
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 3: out with her.

621
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,719
Speaker 2: I know it was a really good review. I had

622
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: totally forgotten it as well.

623
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 3: I actually thought, oh, that's an uncomfortable ride home. I

624
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 3: don't remember shooting that, you know, I don't.

625
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: Remember watching it.

626
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: It's so great, though, Like to see you guys sitting

627
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: there in the back of a real cab and he's like,

628
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: cabs suck or whatever. He says, cabs are bad or whatever.

629
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, be quiet, cabs are great, the old, big,

630
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: big thing. But you're in like a decent sized cab.

631
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah, yeah, I know. You are guys,

632
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 2: big guys.

633
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: So then she gets out and they're close on her,

634
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: and you don't realize he's also gotten out, and.

635
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: It's so good.

636
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 3: Oh.

637
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 2: I forgot to say. This is directed by Ellen Colter,

638
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 2: who we love so much.

639
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 3: He's the best. He's the best. I did a couple

640
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 3: of things with him and he's it's there's always something

641
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 3: like that, and you don't normally see that on TV.

642
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 3: It's true, you know, it wasn't TV, it was HBO.

643
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 3: You no normally see that something like that was that

644
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 3: was a really well timed visual joke that you could

645
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: see in a movie.

646
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 2: So true, yeah, so true. It was really really good.

647
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: And then you're also like, Big, what are you doing? Like,

648
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: you know, I was very much with Carrie, like what

649
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: are you doing? But then luckily she goes upstairs and

650
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: you call her right away, good one on you, good, good,

651
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: good one, and you play her jazz, which is adorable,

652
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: like I like all of the the ray you know, seduction.

653
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: I think it's really likable. But then of course Big

654
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: calls while she's on the phone with you, which is like, ah,

655
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: like you need to just shake him off at this point, right,

656
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: But then luckily, you know, you guys have great, great,

657
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: like initial chemistry, and you go out to the opening

658
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: of Tao, which is kind of funny, and I think

659
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: we filmed there also later, like maybe Big in Carrie's

660
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: engagement party, I want to say, because that place was huge, right,

661
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: so like, and you could do that aerial shot, you know,

662
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: that's a cool, cool shot.

663
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: I know it was a great shot.

664
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: And I remember when too open, like it was a

665
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: whole thing, you know what I mean, Like it still

666
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: is obviously, but it was a whole thing, and you

667
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: guys are there, but of course Big is there also

668
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: with a model named Shay or Shaw or something bizarre.

669
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 2: And she's in the bathroom doing cocaine.

670
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: And you're just like, oh, Big, just go away, and

671
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: then you very smartly DeCamp to the bar. I thought

672
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: that was a good move because you don't make a

673
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: big fuss about it either, right, you just.

674
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 2: Go over there and she finds you, and you're like, yeah.

675
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: I'm not going back to that table. And I just

676
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: have to love the lack of drama, you know what

677
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, you're just like, this is where I'm at.

678
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: Obviously there's something weird going on. You don't even really

679
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: ask her a ton of questions, which I also love.

680
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very likable.

681
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, the lack of questions. That can mean a couple

682
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 3: of things, and I don't it's actually now that I

683
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 3: think of a kind of intelligent, because if he's it's

684
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 3: sort of your first clue if you watch it again,

685
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 3: if you go back and look at I don't think

686
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 3: you can tell. But it's very subtle of going he

687
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 3: doesn't live in that world, Yes, information is just like

688
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 3: he's not going to just you know, I think he

689
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 3: says things as he thinks of it, and he is

690
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 3: his his bassline is kind of cool, you know, I agree,

691
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 3: I agree, And it avoids he I don't think I

692
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 3: played this, but he avoids over stimula. You know, he

693
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 3: likes jazz, but he doesn't play anything fernetic. It was

694
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 3: nice and easy and in a restaurant like that that

695
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 3: it's that kind of environment. It's a lot of noise,

696
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 3: it's a lot of stimuli. It's really hard to focus

697
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 3: and and part of that made sense to me too,

698
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 3: that he he sort of has to deal with you know,

699
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,719
Speaker 3: this is a this is a step deeper. Maybe it's

700
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 3: something just for the actor to carry around. It's nothing,

701
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 3: it's nothing, that's I mean that the story tells itself.

702
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 3: The script is going to tell you everything. But but

703
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 3: but I think for me, it was like that made

704
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 3: sense to get away from all the noise. And also

705
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 3: there's a bit of a situation here. I keep everything,

706
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 3: just keep it as simple as possible.

707
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, simple. I love that. I love that so much.

708
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: It's really interesting and it's just so nice because it's

709
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: just so different.

710
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 2: Right.

711
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a nice scene too.

712
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 2: Was a really good scene. It was excellent.

713
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 3: Really is the first time they talked.

714
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really really good. And you guys have

715
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: such easy chemistry. It's just easy.

716
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well she's wonderful to work with it, I know,

717
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 3: very very easy, and she's very present, very.

718
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: Yes, she really really really is.

719
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: And when I look back to I mean, she's so

720
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: present and so her instincts are so good. Yeah, you

721
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: know all the time, like so dependable, you know what

722
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, obviously we know this, but it's fun

723
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: to talk about it. So let's just talk about try

724
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: and Charlotte. Oh they're trippy little selves. Oh my gosh.

725
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: I don't even clearly remember this part at all. I

726
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: remember Kyle in general obviously, but at this point we're

727
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,719
Speaker 1: having this bizarre thing where we're having sex and all

728
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: these weally uh unusual places like a bedroom at a

729
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: cocktail party with all of the doctors that he works with,

730
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: like not, it's not like Charlotte. There's times when I

731
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: look at Charlotte and I'm like, Charlotte's just she's not

732
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: that mature in certain ways to understand why that would

733
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 1: be something he would want to do. Like she's like,

734
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: I don't understand what's going on. She keeps saying to

735
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: her friends, Well, because obviously he's he's he's got baggage

736
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: about relationships, right and like marriage and all the things

737
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 1: that are expected of him. So it's much more fun

738
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: to have sex in a cab. Yeah, you know, that's

739
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: not like real or whatever. Yeah, but Charlotte's kind of like,

740
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: I don't.

741
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: Know what's happening, and I'm just so happy that he

742
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 2: wants to do anything. It's very interesting.

743
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 1: It's interesting to watch, but it's also such a kind

744
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: of like topsy turvy, like turning things upside down, right,

745
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: Like she wanted this wedding, she wanted this wedding, she

746
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: got the wedding, then of course there's gonna have to

747
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: be problems. But now there's like confusion, which I think

748
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: is also really interesting to see her in. But I

749
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: think that I had totally forgotten about We're all shopping somewhere,

750
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: some vintage place, and Charlotte has a hickey, totally forgot

751
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,760
Speaker 1: about all of this what on her right, And then

752
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: also Samantha comes over and she's like, oh, look, you're

753
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: having a good, healthy relationship, and Charlotte's like, oh no.

754
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 2: If Samantha things is healthy that's a terrible sign.

755
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: Like really funny, really funny, and I didn't remember it

756
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: at all. So then Charlotte goes to him when he's

757
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: trying to have sex with her in a very interesting

758
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: like Indian decorated cab, and she's like, oh, we have

759
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: to you know, wait five more blocks so we get home,

760
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 1: Like why can't we do that? And then he calls

761
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: her later and apologizes, which is very sweet. But also

762
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: the thing that I think about watching it back is

763
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: that the main problem is not the sex. It's that

764
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: he cannot seem to talk about anything.

765
00:35:51,880 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 3: That's a tough one, isn't it. You know, I was

766
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 3: rewatching this episode and I've gone through each one of

767
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 3: those experiences like they're very relatable, which is part of

768
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 3: obviously the soup of the show. It's why it connects

769
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 3: so much is that there's so much to connect too.

770
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 3: There really is anything that was just it didn't seem

771
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 3: like anyway for me, certainly in that episode that there

772
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 3: was stuff that was really funny, but it all came

773
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 3: out of character and stuff that was really it seemed researched.

774
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 3: Like I told you, I really appreciated that. And also

775
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 3: the fact that you know. Yeah, I've been. I've been there.

776
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 3: It's you know, it's it's but I've been on both

777
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 3: sides of the why aren't you talking? What? You know?

778
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 3: I want to talk about this, and but it didn't

779
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 3: hit but not when I saw the show. But when

780
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 3: I did it, I was what thirty six, I guess

781
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 3: And now I'm one hundred and eleven. It's different. It's different.

782
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 3: It's different. You know, you know, when you're mature and

783
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 3: you've you've had some experiences or maybe even been humbled

784
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,720
Speaker 3: a little bit and say, and then you can see

785
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 3: something like that episode and go, yeah, I was I

786
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 3: was noncommunicative or oh, it's very It's like a validation

787
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 3: to see something on a show that you're familiar with

788
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 3: and you love. That tells you it's okay, yeah this happens. Yeah,

789
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 3: you know, here's a way to deal with it like

790
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 3: it is. It can be kind of instructive.

791
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 2: Oh I agree, it's super interesting.

792
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 3: But on that perspective I had that, I thought, oh,

793
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 3: this will be nostalgic. But I looked at it and thought,

794
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 3: I'm glad I saw that because you know, I had

795
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 3: a well, no, I had a research. I was the

796
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 3: one who there was somebody else who just wasn't a talker.

797
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 3: They just weren't right, you know. And I like to

798
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 3: get in there and understand things me too, But it

799
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 3: just wasn't that person's style, right, And I saw that

800
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 3: it was instructive. I saw that. I said, it's frustrating,

801
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 3: But it's okay that it's frustrating, right, I wish I

802
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 3: didn't kill them, that was wrong.

803
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 2: That's true.

804
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: I also think and I hear this from fans a

805
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: lot too, Like if you watch it, you know, for instance,

806
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: we were all in our thirties when we were filming

807
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: this originally, right, and so you're at a certain place

808
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: in your life then, and you have those experiences that

809
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: you're thinking of. Then if you might watch it a

810
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: decade later, you're going to have a whole different set

811
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 1: of things that are going to come into your mind

812
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: when you're watching it. And certainly that's true for me now,

813
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: eight hundred million years later watching it.

814
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 2: But yet it holds up and it's relatable.

815
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, well that's why. I mean, if you

816
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 3: look at the really great shows, like some of my

817
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 3: favorites anyway, or Dick Van Dyk, Oh, yeah, I actually

818
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 3: liked the old Andy Griffith Show, and I noticed, god

819
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 3: years ago, I was watching it as an older person,

820
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 3: and I just thought, there are no jokes in this.

821
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 3: There's not one joke good point, you know, like there's

822
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 3: three to the page. You know. Yeah, we were doing sitcoms,

823
00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 3: but this was they were. It was all on character,

824
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 3: was exceptional writing. And you realize most of the people

825
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 3: who ran shows back then came directly out of the

826
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 3: theater first generation. Yeah, and then and then years later

827
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 3: it would be their kids. Yeah. Now it's just people

828
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 3: who only know TV. Yeah, it's and it gets softer

829
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 3: and softer.

830
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 2: That's true. That's true. That is true.

831
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: I mean now we also have people where they're kind

832
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: of creating themselves online somehow.

833
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 3: It's a whole new thing, and I'm sure good stuff

834
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 3: will come out of that. Yeah.

835
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at Quinta Brunson, who created Abbot.

836
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: We talked to one of that cast.

837
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: You know, she created her own self online first, but

838
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: then also created Abbot and learned how to write in

839
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: that format so brilliantly.

840
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 2: And then also, I don't know if you.

841
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: Know Benito Skinner, who does Overcompensating on Amazon.

842
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: He is a great. He's young.

843
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: He's young, he's amazing. He created himself online doing like

844
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: spoof spoofs of the Kardashians basically on Instagram during COVID.

845
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: But he's super talented, super smart, and he's written.

846
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 2: He has a podcast, he does it. I don't know

847
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 2: if he actually does stand up or just does spoofs.

848
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: He has a whole show that he's written, like an

849
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: actual single camera basically his life in college, trying to

850
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: pretend he was straight, trying to make sense of it

851
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: all overcompensating in every way, and you just think about,

852
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: you know, good for them that they're finding their way

853
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: in this new, crazy world that we live in. But

854
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: yet they still are really like they're studying everything. Like

855
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 1: Benito's watched our season. He watches each season like as

856
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: a you know, technician, trying to take it apart, you know,

857
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: and learning from what we did, and then also bringing

858
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: in people to help him. Who are you know, more

859
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: more schooled or whatever you know in the profession.

860
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: But I love that.

861
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: I love the freshness of it and trying to find

862
00:40:55,200 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: your way because it really is no set way too, yeah, no.

863
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 3: And all it is is, you know, everybody keeps saying, well,

864
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 3: the world is changing so much. It's radio, and then

865
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 3: it's TV, and now it's the Internet, and now it's vertical.

866
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 3: It's like, it's all they are is tubes that information's

867
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 3: coming through. The people haven't changed, haven't changed. It's kind

868
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 3: of depressing how little we've changed. So the stories, it's

869
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 3: still about story and it's just the format that's uh.

870
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 3: And I actually find that interesting me too.

871
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 2: I agree.

872
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 3: I love as soon as the Internet started coming in

873
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 3: and you know, there was this there's gonna be webisodes,

874
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 3: I was like, well that was exciting. I want to

875
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 3: find out what that is. And I got in my

876
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 3: hands dirty and I think it's a very exciting time.

877
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 3: And it's all it is is just it's a new

878
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 3: plot of land that you have to learn how to work.

879
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 2: I agree.

880
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 3: And if you don't, you're going to starve. So don't

881
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 3: don't keep returning to the old field thinking that's because

882
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 3: that's what gets me depressed, is we're like I just

883
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to go back to what

884
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 3: it was.

885
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 2: I know that is. It is depressing.

886
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 3: It's a it's a little a little bit, but it's

887
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 3: also exciting to be straddling to I mean, not everybody

888
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 3: has a life where they're straddling two eras.

889
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 2: That's true.

890
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 3: We have the whole sort of like TV, and.

891
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 2: We did it.

892
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 3: Yes, it was exciting to grow up. You watch Welcome

893
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 3: Back Cotter and then you're go and do a sitcom

894
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 3: that's a big Yeah, I love I never did love that.

895
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.

896
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 3: And you're like, there'll never be another Welcome Back Hotter again,

897
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 3: will probably never be the stuff that I did or

898
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 3: that we did. It's going to be the same way,

899
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 3: so you'll be made a different way because people need stories, definitely.

900
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: But then also Broadway still doing great, right I hope.

901
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 3: So I don't know, I don't follow that as closed.

902
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe they're not doing great great, but they're still there.

903
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: Let's put it that way.

904
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 3: You know. I think it's driven by celebrity, which is

905
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 3: that it's not always a bad thing, right, and it

906
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 3: always has been. It's not like it hasn't been, but

907
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 3: it's that's what's preceding, like you can't get a show done.

908
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: That's a good point. Yeah, that's a real life.

909
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have been cast I wouldn't have been casting

910
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 3: music man today. Oh I don't think so. I don't know,

911
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 3: I don't think so. It's it's it's possible. And I

912
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 3: know even then she was taking a big chance wow,

913
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 3: you know, but she felt very strongly about it, and

914
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 3: you know she has my allegiance for the rest of

915
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:24,959
Speaker 3: my life.

916
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, you guys, this is so much fun that

917
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 2: we're going to have to have a part two, so

918
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 2: join us later in the week on are You a

919
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 2: Charlotte