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Speaker 1: Y'all, it's crime round up. Nancy Grace, I gotta tell

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, David, tell them you're here, your lurk. Oh,

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Speaker 2: that may change the whole program.

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Speaker 1: Wait are you not dear speak?

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Speaker 1: Ross girls. How are you, Honey? Good? How you doing

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Speaker 1: doing great? I'mut, I'm in rout to see our friend

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Marker. Oh you're going to the ribbon cutting.

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Speaker 1: You know what we tried to keep a secret from you.

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Speaker 1: I guess you found that because I now you're going

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Speaker 2: I wish I could. I'm stuck at the department. But uh,

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Speaker 2: doctor Grace, you have a lovely time. Oh yes, doctor Grace. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with that.

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Speaker 1: But Nancy, I.

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Speaker 2: Watched you yesterday Hope with mister consol Viz, and I

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Speaker 1: Three days. We had a young man murdered.

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Speaker 2: About twenty five years ago, and all of his friends

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Speaker 1: Broken it was.

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Speaker 2: He said, it's no good for me anymore. I will

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Speaker 1: my dad was in those hours of racing, getting their

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Speaker 1: Those hours were just hell not Oh we what what's happening?

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Speaker 1: Nobody could talk to you, Nobody could tell me anything. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's terrible. I thought about that as he was talking

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Speaker 1: he just broke my heart. Just broke my heart talking

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Speaker 2: No, it was gut wrenching and it showed on both sides.

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Speaker 2: And you know, the one thing when he said about

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Speaker 2: me was one of those things listening to him as

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Speaker 2: a parent, thinking, yeah, you've got to go in here

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Speaker 2: trying to understand everything they're telling you for this horrible event.

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Speaker 2: Everything he said was just so raw and so personal.

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Speaker 1: the Digity attorney's office. I'll think any would he that

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Speaker 1: Keith had been murdered the whole time I was a prosecutor.

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Speaker 1: Somewhere Boise for I don't know four or five months.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be hell. But I can tell you this,

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Speaker 1: all you would suffering aside. Let's worry about trial strategy.

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Speaker 1: that's not fair. No, I'm with you, that's insane. Nope.

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Speaker 2: And to put the family through that again, just more stolen,

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Speaker 2: Give it, amen, Because remember when we sat with Beth Holloway,

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Speaker 2: I will never forget I was knocked out, she said.

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Speaker 2: When she finally was able to get herself together to

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Speaker 2: for over thirty thousand dollars. So this family, with all

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Speaker 1: I remember my friend Doughtic Donner, the city of my eye,

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Speaker 1: something speaking of going out of town for a trial.

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Speaker 1: But we went to La. We taken Lucy John David

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Speaker 1: they were just break and that's all I could think

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Speaker 1: about when I was looking those pictures of killing them solves.

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Speaker 1: Oh my finish, So all four of them, including Ethan,

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Speaker 1: They're beautiful, so beautiful. I just think somebody would do that.

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Speaker 1: Let's see you and I are talking in a way

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Speaker 1: that we could never talk, go can never reveal how

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Speaker 1: we feel feelings. Oh, none of that courtrot. But the

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Speaker 1: whole thing is just breaking me apart. And what about

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Speaker 1: right cobragers? You look and he actually has fans, fans?

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Speaker 1: What's the Coburger support? On Facebook page?

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Speaker 2: I posted a picture of Ted Bundy the other day

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Speaker 2: in his suit with his fresh haircut, laughing with his attorney,

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Speaker 2: who was also female, and I just.

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Speaker 1: Simply said, Brian, Coburger, it ain't gonna work.

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Speaker 2: As you always say, Nancy, you can put lipstick on

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Speaker 2: that pig all afternoon.

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Speaker 1: It ain't gonna change.

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Speaker 2: People are going to see exactly what is in front

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Speaker 2: of them. They're gonna take that evidence, they're going to

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Speaker 2: understand it, and I think they're going to come back

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Speaker 2: with a correct verdict.

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Speaker 1: I just do. I'm very anxious to hear the evidence

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Speaker 1: that it's under we haven't heard yet. I can't wait.

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Speaker 1: You know that's a good read, Stay up all night.

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Speaker 1: Read those phone blocks where those peaks are man, I

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Speaker 1: would love to be to get through his self, no

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Speaker 1: doubt right now, love it, every line of it.

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Speaker 2: Me too. And I tell you you know they went

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Speaker 2: over that car with a fine tooth comb. There won't

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Speaker 2: and all of that from this hike.

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Speaker 1: You said that with a fire too home. Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 1: Oh you know it's true.

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Speaker 2: You know there's not going to be any evidence that

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Speaker 2: he went on this mysterious hike.

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Speaker 1: Well, no evidence that he went on a hike. Just

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Speaker 1: oh gosh. You know how many times we talked about

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Speaker 1: did he transfer anything into that car? Any evidence at

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Speaker 1: all on spec blood, what hair, what anything?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's on video, and the knife sheath is a

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Speaker 2: money tree. I mean, you ain't talking about the car,

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Speaker 2: but that nice shep think going away.

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Speaker 1: The fact that his.

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Speaker 2: Car is on video, the fact that he's pinging for

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's so much, there's so much much that

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Speaker 1: because I'm always looking for more evidence. I'm always anticipating

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Speaker 1: know that you're right? He left the knife. She thanks

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Speaker 1: you have Han with his DNA on the buckle he

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Speaker 1: bought according to Amazon, and I have no reason not

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Speaker 1: to believe Amazon, he bought the exact knife and it

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Speaker 1: should not be found. What happened to that? That's right?

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Speaker 1: Where did that go? He bought the tikis outfit to

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Speaker 1: cover himself up, David. That's like a worker band's outfit,

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Speaker 1: like you, Patre. They put on the yes that he's

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Speaker 1: acting like he knows what we're talking about. Did you

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Speaker 1: hear that? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, shut up, David. He totally

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Speaker 1: not banging any attention. I tell you that man is

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Speaker 2: I know, I.

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Speaker 1: Got so lucky. I'll fell in a pot of honey.

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Speaker 1: And not just him, his whole family. They're nice, the

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Speaker 1: whole family. I believe me. I've been expecting them from

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Speaker 1: eighty years. Pretty crack at the near. I haven't found

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Speaker 1: anything yet. You know what's interesting. I remember his little brother.

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Speaker 1: I would play catch with him at the yard, and

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Speaker 1: how sweet. He's gonna have a little hall church with

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Speaker 1: like twenty people that straggle it. He's the pastor and

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Speaker 1: founded a mega church. It's amazing. He is a fantastic

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Speaker 1: a fantastic pastor at your star. But that said, I

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Speaker 1: got lucky. I got lucky at his sister, so he

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Speaker 1: believes that's them. I'd ever have what argument with the

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Speaker 1: guitar family, not eighty of it out? How can that

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Speaker 1: even bet for me? That's true? Why didn't we both

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Speaker 2: And you know what, I'll brag on David too. My

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Speaker 2: brother in law Lance sat with him at all. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And what are the odds they would know each other, right?

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Speaker 3: He was a legend when I was playing football, and

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Speaker 2: They lived next door to us, and of course Charlene

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Speaker 2: air state right now, you Leonard, and I saw you.

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Speaker 1: I'm getting your tag. I'm so getting you. Anyway, what

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Speaker 1: so glad I had the children. After I was a prosecutor.

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Speaker 2: No, it's going to be a struggle for a lot

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Speaker 1: Well, at least they'll be sequestered during the jury delibracial.

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Speaker 1: just pause. What violent? Two things are happening? Three really

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Speaker 1: is does he deserve it?

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Speaker 1: Do I think the court quird really swayed the jury?

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Speaker 1: But does the appellate court have to do it because

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Speaker 1: of the appearance of impropriety. Probably we're going to get

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Speaker 1: help meach in South Carolina. That's how me deal thought

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Speaker 1: at the safe tip. I don't know that. Actually, we

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Speaker 1: should probably split it up, Cheryl, so I can be

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Speaker 1: can be there if you can report fraud Delphi. There's

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Speaker 1: something else. There's something else. Was cobrag. Oh my stars,

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Speaker 1: what a four at my side. Scott Peterson just had

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Speaker 1: a major win he court. A judge has allowed him

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Speaker 1: the state heads over everything it's got that is discoverable

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Speaker 1: Now they're going to get to redo everything and a

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Speaker 1: tape that was either wrapped around or attached to Lacey's

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Speaker 1: That is a cesspool San Francisco Bay. They're not telling

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Speaker 1: what kind of DNA has been attached to that duct tape. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that plus testing fraud that burned out fan there, the

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Speaker 1: and the because the mattress and that appeared type blood

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Speaker 1: on did you that is, Cheryl, that the duct tape

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Speaker 1: has already been tested and it is now under sealed.

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Speaker 1: The results are under seal. When do you think we'll

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Speaker 2: Well, I have said, if Lacey's DNA is in that van,

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Speaker 1: Now that's a the twist her DNA. It's not going

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Speaker 1: into the ether to not say that anymore. For DNA

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Speaker 1: is not going to be that made that. But my

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Speaker 1: don't know all teve in contact with DNA from a

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Speaker 1: shripper out god in the water. I don't know. It

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Speaker 1: could be anything, even if it's unidentifiable, that could be used. Now,

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Speaker 1: it could be duct tape that was floating in San Franciscoffe.

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Speaker 1: It could be duct tape that was wrapped around her.

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Speaker 1: So what if, though, just hold your breath on this,

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Speaker 1: we can dream.

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Speaker 2: I tell you there's a lot going on and we

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Speaker 2: ain't heard the last of Diddy either.

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Speaker 1: Oh I've been. Of course, it's going to continue to

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Speaker 1: get try to get bond. But the moment he gets

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Speaker 2: Girl, can I just tell you when I heard you

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Speaker 2: call him cuff daddy, I about wrecked my car.

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Speaker 1: When he gets convicted, it's gonna be Sean comes, he

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Speaker 1: that it's like a Trevor Treasure trove of evidence or

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Speaker 1: the stake they are helping the state because the simple

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Speaker 1: cases will be full of information mistake. Then subpena, a

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Speaker 1: cue against comes at triumph. So that's all good, Okay,

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Speaker 1: all that's a big old gift. I'm sorry, Cheryl.

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Speaker 2: I gotta go, honey, y'all have a safe trip. Be careful,

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Speaker 2: bye friend, Bye hon him the baa baa Inada