1 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: You're entering another world, one just a few feet beyond 2 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: the safe glow of the street light, into the dark. 3 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: One slight step off the edge of the map, into 4 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: the land of monsters. Today's tale a disturbing blend of 5 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: fiction and fact. Three intrepid podcasters stumble across a story 6 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: more disturbing than they ever could have imagined. In partnership, 7 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: Which Stuff they Don't Want You to Know? Presents the 8 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: tale of the University six. From UFOs to psychic powers 9 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: and government conspiracies, History is riddled with unexplained events. You 10 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't 11 00:00:50,400 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: want you to know. A production of I Heart Radio. Hello, 12 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Mark, my 13 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: name is Neil. They call me Bill. Today we've got 14 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: a strange one, folks. It's part mystery, part possible cover up, 15 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: and just maybe part paranormal. So, as you know, we 16 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: spend a lot of time on the show making sure 17 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: anyone who wants to reach out to us can do so. 18 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: We opened a door, you could say, and over the 19 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: years we've encountered all manner of amazing, frightening allegations, but 20 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: this one is a little bit different. We received notice 21 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: of this story from a source that wishes to remain anonymous, 22 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: and we're making this the first of a two part series. 23 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: Let's dive in. Here are the facts, Yes, the facts, 24 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: the historical facts. The story, UM, as we can tell, 25 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: at least as near as we can tell, starts somewhere 26 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: around the dawn of the twentieth century. UM. United States 27 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: was quite a different place back then. This was before 28 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: the advent of the internet, why spread use of television, 29 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: before people traveled widely the the Interstates or airplanes. But 30 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: it was also in a lot of ways quite a 31 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: dangerous time throughout the eighteen hundreds. Yeah. Over the course 32 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: of the eighteen hundreds, uh, the industrial eras of Western 33 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: Europe and the US, as well as the Civil War 34 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: in the United States led to many disastrous things. We've 35 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 1: talked about the dangers of war in the past. One 36 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: thing that's not examined as often is that it led 37 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: to an increase in mental health patients. We're talking about PTSD, 38 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: even though it wasn't recognized as such as the time. 39 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: We're talking about the shock of entire populations fundamentally changing 40 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 1: their lifestyles from an agrarian to an industrial economy, huge 41 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: numbers of immigration from one country to another. This all 42 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: spelled trouble for mental health. And previously, most people with 43 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: mental health issues or with physical handicaps were taken care 44 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: of by their families or be a hodgepodge of institutions. 45 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: You've heard about these in the past, sometimes state sponsored, 46 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: often religious orders. But now a lot of these families 47 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,119 Speaker 1: who would have previously taken care of their of their 48 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: relatives found themselves living in cramped urban environments, working very long, 49 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: demanding jobs. They had neither the time nor the space 50 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: to care for their loved ones. But there was a solution. Asylums. 51 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: Oh boy, just the name kind of strikes fear in 52 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: the hearts of many people. I would say, me, I 53 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: think just thinking about abandoned asylums that I've visited were seen. 54 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: I mean, it's c what a banded asylums? If you 55 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: visited mag you give me the Jews there. Well, we've 56 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: talked about it on this show before. There was one 57 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: that is now a large park in Dunwoodie, Georgia, that 58 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: I visited on several occasions. Oh my gosh, Okay, yeah, 59 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: forgive me for sure. But the you know, asylums were 60 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: built as a way to house people who were in 61 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: mental health crises, who had who had problems, who are 62 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: dealing with the things been and Nol just described. And 63 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: there were often facilities that housed a ton of people, 64 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: a lot a lot of people, and the funding wasn't 65 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: always there to keep them running, you know, in the 66 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: way they probably should. And also, guys, think about the science. 67 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: We've talked about it on our Human Experimentation episodes, the 68 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: science that was behind treatment for people in these asylums. 69 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: Science quotes, air quotes, Well there there there are a 70 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: couple of things here. They're really importantly. These asylums sometimes 71 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: weren't purpose built. They may have been older things like 72 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: manner estates or even castles that were repurposed, right, and 73 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 1: came with dark histories of their own. Uh. Mental illness 74 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: as defined back then was very very loose and quite unscientific. 75 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: You know, there would be people with psychological conditions, but 76 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 1: there might also be for instance, women who did not 77 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: want to be an arranged marriage right or uh were 78 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: speaking out for their own personal rights, and they were 79 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: treated as though they were insane. There was also a 80 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 1: great deal of antagonism against what we're considered to be 81 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: the mentally ill. They were believed to be a danger 82 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: to the greater population. Asylums then were not necessarily rehabilitative 83 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: in their in their goal. Instead, they inspired to be 84 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: um islands of quarantine, right to imprison, to house what 85 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: they saw is the unfit. Yeah, and I mean a 86 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: lot of these quote unquote treatments like you said, I 87 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: mean things like lobotomy ees and you know, shock therapy, 88 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: fever therapy, UM, you know, purposely induced insulin commas were 89 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: akin to like medieval torture we might think of as 90 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: ways of getting people to talk, you know, like in uh, 91 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: prisoner of war type situations. Even I mean really really 92 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: gnarly stuff that would have felt much more at home 93 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: like in a medieval dungeon. UM. Not to mention that, 94 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: you know, we have isolated examples of folks in charge 95 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: of some of these types of facilities using their patients 96 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: to experiment on, essentially to um you know further what 97 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: they thought of as their life's work. Yeah. And it's 98 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: not hyperbolic to say it was somewhat of a wild West. 99 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 1: These asylums quickly become overcrowded. There's not very much in 100 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: the way of substantive, rigorous oversight. And as you said, Matt, 101 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: there wasn't a lot of funding. Also, the staff didn't 102 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: really know how to deal with many many of the 103 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: conditions they encountered. These new mental health treatments that were 104 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: introduced were often not subject to scientific methodology, and the 105 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: families of the patients often did not have any kind 106 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: of guarantee of access to their relatives. So if you 107 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: were struggling or I loved when in your family struggling 108 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: with mental health issues in the early nineteen hundreds in 109 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: the United States, it would be on your family to 110 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: take care of them. But what often happened is the 111 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: family would go to a doctor and they would ask 112 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: this doctor to say, you know, whether or not a 113 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: patient should be institutionalized. And it was very common for 114 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: these patients to be locked up regardless of whether they want, 115 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: they gave consent, or whether they had the capability legally 116 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: to consent to something like this, And about seventy percent 117 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: of those patients were hospitalized involuntarily during this time. The 118 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: idea was that you know, you're you as a family 119 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: or making a sacrifice for a greater good. People believed 120 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: at this time that They believed that mental illness was heritable, 121 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: and their logic was that if you could eradicate mental 122 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: illness quarantining it the way that you would quarantine people 123 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: have suffered from a physical disease, then you would eventually 124 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: eliminate the disease altogether. And what happened to the people 125 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: who were the carriers of these, you know, so called diseases, 126 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: we're not saying that. We think that that's just how 127 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: medicine at the time approached it. Well, it didn't really 128 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: matter what happened to them, just keep them out of 129 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: the public square. So these patients, which could be called prisoners, 130 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: shared overcrowded rooms, absolutely no privacy, very little way in 131 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: the way of hygiene. If the staff is abusive to you, 132 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: there's no one you can tell about it. Uh. The 133 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: food is often inadequate, um, sometimes spoiled or rotten, and 134 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: the rooms are locked very much. Is like a prison. 135 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: If there was a fire or someone acted violently, there 136 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: wasn't any way to escape. And it isn't just the doors, 137 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: you know, it's the windows too. There's that there's a 138 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 1: facility here in Atlanta that is gosh. I want to say, 139 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's c d C. I can't 140 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: remember which institution now runs the building, but it's often 141 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: rented out for filming in Atlanta right now. But it 142 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: used to be a mental institution of some sort of 143 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: some kind of asylum where you can see this exact 144 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: thing with the doors that are fully secured, uh, where 145 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: you'd have to have a staff member opening that door 146 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: either way, and the windows are all fully barred up, 147 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: like all up and down this this rather tall building. 148 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: It's very creepy. It kind of reminds me of I 149 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: think a while back, guys, we talked about the willow 150 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 1: Brook mental institution that was on Staten Island. There was 151 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: a there's an expose on that facility a while ago. 152 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: That's that really just showed the reality of all the 153 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: things we've been describing thus far in the episode. Yeah, 154 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: Geraldo Rivera actually cover willow Brook a while back. Yeah, uh, 155 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: in willow Brook fifty years later with Heeraldo Rivera. So 156 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: do check that out if you want a gripping and 157 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: in no small way disturbing exploration of what we're talking about. Yet, 158 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: some patients were given menial task and this was not 159 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: to be clear, this was not so much to engage 160 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: them in a healthy stimulation as it was to keep 161 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: costs down for the institutions, so they might garden vegetables, 162 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: they might do basic cleaning, maybe laundry, stuff like that. 163 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: But many of them were simply locked away and sometimes forgotten. 164 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: And this is to your earlier point. No, this is 165 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: the age of treatments that would clearly be seen as 166 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: tortured to any upstanding medical professional today. Lombotomies, as you mentioned, 167 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: UH seizure therapy, which is purposely inducing seizures UH. Insulin 168 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: comas also purposely induced something that I had not heard 169 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: of called fever therapy. That is where you literally give 170 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: folks malaria to induce some fever. Yeah, to try and 171 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: get the other bad stuff out. I guess you know 172 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: what it would be interesting to hear a doctor defend 173 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: that practice. Well. I mean again, a lot of this 174 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: stuff really has the ring of like trepid nation, like 175 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: drilling into the skull to release demons, or you know, 176 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: like leeching or blood letting, and lobotomy is in particular 177 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: are barbaric because when lobotomies were in their heyday, medical 178 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: professionals did not know enough about the workings of the 179 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: brain to understand what they were doing. They were just 180 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: they were just giving people brain damage. To be clear, 181 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: no one walked out of a lobotomy better than they 182 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: were in the beginning. There were also ice baths, deep 183 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: deep isolation, think like supermax prison level, constant physical restraints, 184 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: being hide down almost twenty three hours a day, stuff 185 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: like that. And obviously these treatments tended to do more 186 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: damage than good. Sometimes they resulted in death. And while 187 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: there are many, many examples tragically of these houses of 188 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: horror masquerading as halls of healing, there is one case 189 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: that is fairly obscure but notorious locally. It is the 190 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: story of Homestead State School and Hospital, which is sometimes 191 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: known as the Black Castle. But what was this exactly? 192 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: We're gonna pause for word from our sponsor and then 193 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: we'll be back with more and we're back. So Homestead 194 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: was built over the course of several years between nineteen 195 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: o three to nineteen oh a, just a couple of 196 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: miles outside of a place called Hazard, Pennsylvania. Seems appropriate 197 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: given where we're heading again. This is during what could 198 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: very rightly be called the dark days of medical science 199 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: and treatment. People struggling with mental illness, however it may 200 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: have been loosely defined, were treated not as people who 201 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: might need help, but as the criminally insane um. This 202 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: was also the age of eugenics, uh, the idea that 203 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: certain individuals did not deserve to be part of society 204 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: due to UH perceive traits, whether it be inherited from 205 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: their lineage that was seen as being unclean in some way, 206 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: or the color of their skin. A number of things 207 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: could have been lumped in with eugenic kind of casting 208 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: out of certain individuals, and paramount on that list was 209 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: this this idea of having mental illness. And then in 210 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 1: nineteen thirteen the Pennsylvania legislature they appointed this new thing, 211 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: it's called the Commission for the Care of the Feeble Minded, 212 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: which stated that disabled people were you know, fit for 213 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: something like citizenship, something that we recently talked about with 214 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: Baritunday actually taking part in the democratic system. They thought 215 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: the disabled wouldn't be able to do that, or perhaps 216 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: shouldn't be able to do that, and that they even 217 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: posed a menace to the peace, which just feels awful. Yeah, 218 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: you know, no bad person thinks they're a bad person, right, 219 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: and nobody wakes up and says I'm the villain today. 220 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: Well I do, but just today, but just today. So 221 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: this commission was dead set not on helping people who 222 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: are disadvantaged by a perceived condition, physical or mental. Instead, 223 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: they were dead set on preventing what they called the 224 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: intermixing of the imprisoned in the general population. Again, they 225 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: believe that by quarantining these people to whom they objected, 226 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: they could root out mental conditions from the population overall. 227 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: And how do we know this, It's not just our opinion. 228 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: In one of their biennial reports, Homesteads Managing Board of 229 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: Trustees literally explicitly quoted a leading eugenicist of the time, 230 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: a guy named Henry H. Goddard, who could be uh 231 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: an episode all his own. Here's what they quoted from Goddard, 232 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: And again this is in a government report. Quote, every 233 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: feeble minded person is a potential criminal. The general public, 234 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: although more convinced today than ever before that it is 235 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: a good thing to segregate the idiot or the distinct imbecile, 236 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: they have not yet been convinced as to the proper 237 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: treatment of the defective delinquent, which is the brighter and 238 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: more dangerous individual. Important to note here mental health institutions 239 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: of this era in the US and abroad were also 240 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: used to silence women, silence women's silence people who were 241 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: maybe female, identifying anybody who was seen by the current 242 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: status quo being difficult, and they were subjected to torture, 243 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: lobotomies in particular isolation incarceration uh and they were also 244 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: often subjected to abuse during these times. And to be clear, 245 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: this went across demographics. You can find infamous cases of 246 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: women from very well to do families being subjected to 247 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: these operations at the behest of their own relatives. Makes 248 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: me think of the long Lost Kennedy exactly, yes, exactly, 249 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: but something went wrong at Homestead, even by the standards 250 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: of the time. Rumors began to spread, rumors of unorthodox, 251 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: ghoulish experiments to the staff of Homestead. This was the 252 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: forefront of medicine the greater good, the rational being that 253 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: the ends justified the means in pursuit of some imagined 254 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: greater good. To the few outsiders who were able to 255 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: learned about what was happening, the reality was much much worse. 256 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: Whispers proliferated, and in hush tones, locals would begin sharing 257 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: legends of something they called the laboratory. Oh man, so 258 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: these are these are some crazy rumors this this quote laboratory. 259 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,959 Speaker 1: We've heard about this, by the way us on this show. Uh, 260 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: these rumors were although just rumors, right, that's all it was. 261 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: It was like tales that you would horror tales you 262 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: tell around a camp fire about this really genuinely creepy 263 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: place that had bad stuff going on, and you know, 264 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: arguably bad people doing bad things. It's winning combination, yeah, right, 265 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: until there was a fire. And as we talked about before, 266 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: these these buildings are so tightly controlled and sealed. When 267 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: there's a fire on the inside of one of these buildings, 268 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 1: it's gonna be horrific, especially for the people that can't 269 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: open their own doors. Any of the areas are subterranean 270 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: as well. Um, it would just be nearly impossible to escape. Absolutely, 271 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: and so the institution met a fiery end of sorts. 272 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: Throughout the nineteen sixties into the nineteen eighties, time wound 273 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: on and America moved on. There were a few stories 274 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: about the place, and now it was abandoned, or maybe 275 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 1: not all the way abandoned, but they quickly faded from 276 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: the news. Ensure there were other stories to focus on, 277 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: you know, the Vietnam War, other wars, domestic chaos. But 278 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 1: let's be honest, this remains part of the past that 279 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: American culture would rather forget. Except not everyone. You see. 280 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 1: Sometime in the mid nineteen nineties, a group of history 281 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: students at a local university decided to explore the abandoned 282 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 1: ruins of the so called Black Castle as part of 283 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: a group project. They wanted to determine once and for 284 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: all the doom they came to homestead. Hashtag no Lovecraft. 285 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: But that's that's the Lovecraft reference. And after a word 286 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: from our sponsor, we'll tell you what we've discovered. Here's 287 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: where it gets crazy. So you may hear whispers of 288 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: this group referred to as the University six. And as 289 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: we record, none of these students, these uh, these bright 290 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: young minds, have been seen since and remain officially missing today. 291 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: So what what exactly happened? Well, as we do on 292 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 1: this show when there's something like this going on, we 293 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: try and call primary sources. We try and call you know, 294 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: reporters and in this case, law enforcement, just to see 295 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: if we can get any actual details, right, because there's 296 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: not much just in the public sphere that we could find, uh, 297 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: but we didn't get anything at least out of the 298 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 1: local police department there or the sheriff's office. So we're 299 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: at a bit of a loss. Everything just kind of 300 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: went cold until it seems quite recently. You see, over 301 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 1: the past several weeks we've been receiving some strange materials 302 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: and artifacts that appear somehow related. Uh, it's implied that 303 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: they're related to these long forgotten disappearances. They appear for 304 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: the first time to just maybe describe the fate of 305 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: the University six and you know, Mark Neal as as 306 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: we all know, as we talked about off air, these 307 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: things are disturbing, but they're indistinct. We see this pretty 308 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: often whenever we get a message about a purported cryptod 309 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 1: or UFO. You can see maybe there's something there, but 310 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: knowing the providence of that is kind of difficult. Is 311 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: it just a floating colored blob? Is it an artifact 312 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: of the technology used to obtain the image? One thing 313 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: is for sure. Looking at it, it seems as though 314 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: the um, the photog aographer, whoever they might be, was 315 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: maybe in a hurry, or they're really freaked out or 316 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: they're a really bad photographer. So yeah, the still images, 317 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 1: all the problems you just described, Ben are present in 318 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: what we've seen here. But there is another thing. There 319 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 1: is a video where if you don't have such a 320 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: steady hand, or you are freaked out, or you're running 321 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: or something, you're still gonna create you know, hundreds, if 322 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 1: not thousands of still images at once. Those are a 323 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 1: little bit easier to go through. And we do, in 324 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: fact have a video. And uh, it's weird, man. It 325 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,959 Speaker 1: was just a USB drive, you know, plug into your machine, 326 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: which don't do you know, generally don't do that. Okay, 327 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 1: even if it's sent to you from a known address, 328 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: don't put a USB drive in your machine. We put 329 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: it in a work computer. Well, let's play the clip. 330 00:21:54,920 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: Is this thing on? She's look nice? Bad? We have 331 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: to spend all weekend digging through some old junk. It's 332 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: called research. Emily, you know you have a four point 333 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 1: are pretty much a genius. But don't waste the better 334 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: in that thing. I am documenting our research. The look 335 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: at this place. It's crazy city. Here are we early 336 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: It's on the rest of the class. Okay, let's let's 337 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: pause here and unpack this. Um, you know, all three 338 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: of us had done i think video projects and audio 339 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: projects in college, so we know what it's like to 340 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: not work with the best of equipment. Mm hmm. Yeah. 341 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: This really does have the feel of kind of like 342 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: a college, you know, student film kind of vibe. Well, 343 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,719 Speaker 1: let's let's talk about what we're seeing here, guys. Um, 344 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: we're clearly exterior. We've got a what appears to be 345 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: a man and a woman in the shot. Uh, they 346 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: are describing what appears to be some kind of assignment 347 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: or group project. I guess where they're going there, physically 348 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: traveling to this place that we've been describing, this black 349 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:36,360 Speaker 1: castle or homestead, and they're talking about research that they're 350 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: going to be doing there. I mean, it seems pretty innocuous, 351 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: at least at first. Yeah, and we can tell a 352 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: few things if we're just being objective here. One of 353 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: the speakers is named Emily, or at least the other 354 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 1: speaker calls that person Emily. And this matches up with 355 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: what we know from the police, because there was a 356 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 1: person named Emily Waterhouse listed amongst the missing students. That does, 357 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: to be fair, that does not necessarily mean we're hearing 358 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: from the same, Emily, I would say it's intriguing, nonetheless, 359 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: and there are a couple of other things that stood 360 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: out to us. Another thing that does stand out that 361 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: leads a bit more credence to this perhaps being the 362 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: university six Uh. One of the male character in this 363 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: part of the video mentions that there are other students 364 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: that are already inside, or he thinks at least they're 365 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 1: already inside the facility. I'm not sure how many, like 366 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: I don't think he gives a specific number, but you know, 367 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: you can at least tell that there are multiple people 368 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,479 Speaker 1: who are supposed to already be there. And I'm already 369 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: shouting at these people like don't go don't go ahead. 370 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't seem like a good idea that 371 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: the shaky cam aspect of it, it already is making 372 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 1: me feel like something really horrible is going to happen. 373 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: Um very Blair Witch ask yes, agreed. And we also 374 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: hear the speakers talk about a three day trip, so 375 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: this gives us a rough sense of their internal timeline. 376 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: And to your point, mark Uh, it does appear that 377 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 1: they are arriving late, perhaps because they are assuming these 378 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: other folks are there. The camera does give us a 379 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: glimpse of the second speaker, not explicitly named by the 380 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: one called Emily, but this student looks to be one 381 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: Matt Kavanaugh according to police records, another one of the 382 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: missing students. But this is just the first part. Let's continue. 383 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: The next clip appears to jump ahead in time. At 384 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: least I thought so, because, as you said, the first 385 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: shows a daytime exterior of the site and then entering 386 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: into it. But the second clip seems to take place 387 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: either in the evening or in the dark. Here what 388 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: we've only been here for five minutes and your free 389 00:25:53,760 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: t already is it? You know? The first thing that 390 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 1: occurs to me is, um, this definitely feels like it 391 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: took place in the early nineties or maybe even the 392 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: late eighties, because it's like they're not able to phone 393 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 1: their friends ahead. They don't seem to have cell phones. Um, 394 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: the clothing is very of that period. You know, if 395 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: only they had had for cell phones, they could have 396 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: called ahead or at least known where to find their 397 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: their their friends. Um. But you know, then we wouldn't 398 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: have a story or fully they'd turned the radio on 399 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: for a minute so we could hear whatever the hit 400 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 1: you know the top forty songs were that would have 401 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: been cool, or if they had said we're recording on 402 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 1: month day, which would have been very helpful. And you 403 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: may be thinking, well, cameras at this time in the 404 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: nineties typically did have because they were running on tape, right, 405 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: they typically did have that time code time stamp. But 406 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: the quality is so bad that you can't really make 407 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,719 Speaker 1: it out. Uh, And we'll get to it in a second. 408 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: But there are some serious questions about the providence of this, 409 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: of what happened to this cop this content before it 410 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: got to us. It reminds me of that what's that 411 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 1: show that was on Netflix recently that was about like 412 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: kind of like a dude who did like forensic rebuilding 413 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: of videotapes, archie archive any one. This has the feel 414 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: of something that's been like reassembled in some way after 415 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: being perhaps heavily damaged. For now, we have to brack 416 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: at the idea of something moving in the background there 417 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: because there's just not enough information to clearly distinguish who 418 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: it could have been. Um, just you know, looking at 419 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: the footage, guys, I, like you said, Bill, I can't 420 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: conclusively say there was a thing there, but it looks 421 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 1: like something, like you said, a humanoid figure of some 422 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: kind that's of a shape in the Yeah. Well, in um, 423 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: let's the other thing. One of the other people in 424 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: the in the footage here mentions being cold and like 425 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: hitting a cold spot, which is a very common thing 426 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: that we've heard from you know, from you from listeners 427 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: as well as from our research, that coincides with some 428 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: kind of let's say, interaction with something from the other side, 429 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 1: if it exists, and if there is some kind of 430 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: interaction truly happening, a cold spot or coldness is often 431 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: associated with it, right, And to be fair, it doesn't 432 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: look like they have equipment to measure that temperature, right, 433 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: so it's working off their personal sensations at this point. Also, 434 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: we haven't actually heard or seen the other four students, right, 435 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: or whatever group they're supposed to be meeting up with. 436 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: But of course this is not the entirety of the 437 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: footage we've received. And let's talk a little bit about 438 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: the footage, because you can tell we have some serious 439 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: issues with it. We spent some time looking over the 440 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: video files themselves in depth, running them through a couple 441 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: of different filters, and not to get to in the 442 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: weeds about it. But one of the important things you 443 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: want to do when you're doing any kind of forensic 444 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: research in the footage like this is you want to 445 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: search the meta data. Meta data would plausibly tell us 446 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: when something was actually created, right as long as the 447 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: meta data isn't messed with. But when this was sent 448 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: to us, it appears that someone had intervened somewhere in 449 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: the chain of custody between this was when this was 450 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: originally filmed and when we got it. It does seem 451 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: like when it was digitized, maybe there was some tampering 452 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: that occurred, or maybe just error, or maybe just a 453 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,479 Speaker 1: piece of software that automatically altered it. But who we 454 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: don't know. We can't confirm. It's just different, so we 455 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: you know, full disclosure, folks. We went back on fourth 456 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: on whether to air this footage because we thought it 457 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: could be possibly a prank. You know, we're fans of pranks. 458 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: We said, well, what if it's genuine. Due to the 459 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: quality of this footage as well as our confirmation that 460 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: somebody probably did mess with the source data, it is 461 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: honestly hard to tell. But if it is genuine, then 462 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: the last thing we want to do is put anyone 463 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: in danger for sure. So once again we contact with 464 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: local authorities and we sent copies of the files, and 465 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: after a few days, we actually gave them a call. Uh. 466 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: And while they did acknowledge they received our package, they 467 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: had absolutely nothing to say about what we had sent them, 468 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: at least not yet, right. We just to be fair, 469 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: we only did that as a cautionary measure, right in 470 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: case this is real, maybe it's not, Maybe it is, 471 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: we figured at least give it to them in case. 472 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: And since they did not explicitly forbid us from airing this, 473 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: we made the decision to put it on now. And 474 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: that's where we're gonna leave the story for today. We 475 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: will continue uh stuff they don't want you to know 476 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: as normal, but as we learn more, we will record 477 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: a second update here and the investigation will continue. And 478 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: so that is our show. Thank you so much. As always, 479 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: tune in for our upcoming episodes on the way too soon. Okay, well, uh, 480 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: we're we're wrapped. How was it, doozy? That was a 481 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: nutty one, that's for sure. Yeah. To be honest, I'm 482 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: a little weirded out. We kind of even put this 483 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: out guys, because I maybe they really did see something 484 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: when they were down there in that in that place. 485 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, Mark, you're the video expert, but 486 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: just between us, it kind of looked like a clown. 487 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: Well like I didn't want to say that, right, it 488 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: was clown like uh in shape and form, that's for sure. 489 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: Ye have big weird nose too, very like snazzy bulbous. Yeah. 490 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,719 Speaker 1: I'm just kind of upset that the cops didn't like, 491 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: immediately get back to us and at least say, oh, yeah, okay, whatever, 492 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: this is nothing, or thank you or something. It's very odd, right, Yeah, 493 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: I mean the public information officers are doing their best, 494 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: but their hands are tied. Yeah. Yeah, we'll see. Um, 495 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: it's a weird one. Hang on out, someone's at my door. 496 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: Oh shoot, okay, bill, Um, do we know what we're 497 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: covering next Tuesday? What? It's another package? What? It's another package? 498 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: And it looks just like the one we got with 499 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: all the photos and the thumb drive. Is there a 500 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: return address? No? Okay, let's meet up,