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Speaker 1: But anyway, it's not I'm I'm wearing the free gear today.
Speaker 1: I'll say. Yeah. So we got Jerry Jones talking for
Speaker 1: the first time and forever, and there's lots of things
Speaker 1: he talked about. I'll skip some of them and just
Speaker 1: go with the football ones where Jerry basically said learning.
Speaker 1: Jerry basically said, yeah, we're taking an offensive lineman, so
Speaker 1: get ready for that. But he did add the caveat
Speaker 1: unless there's a Ceedee Lamb slash Micah Parsons type, which
Speaker 1: is the way you're supposed to think about the draft.
Speaker 1: So that's good. But I want to start this show
Speaker 1: with asking if a certain person qualifies as a Ceedee
Speaker 1: Lamb Micah Parsons type, because it's big on the internet
Speaker 1: now that Notre Dame safety Kyle Hamilton at his pro day,
Speaker 1: according to Dame Brugler, ran a four seven zero and
Speaker 1: a four seven four in the forty yard dash, and
Speaker 1: now it's become a thing where it's like, hey, that
Speaker 1: guy that was going to go in the top five
Speaker 1: and not anymore. Maybe it's more top ten, top fifteen.
Speaker 1: Notre Dame's safety Kyle Hamilton, does he qualify as a
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons ceedee, lamb, holy cow, this fell in my
Speaker 1: lap and I have to take him kind of guy
Speaker 1: if he's available at twenty four. Bryan, you asked that question.
Speaker 1: No one, what I'm gonna say. I know what you're
Speaker 1: gonna say. Yeah, you know what though, four or five
Speaker 1: nine at the combine, right, we ran four or five
Speaker 1: nine at the combine, I believe. So I've got the sheets. Okay,
Speaker 1: I've got the sheets. Why are they not in front
Speaker 1: of Why aren't they not in front of you? I know?
Speaker 1: But I can look him up real quick. But I
Speaker 1: want to talk about this real quick about him, and
Speaker 1: you know what I this is what I said about him,
Speaker 1: and I said, the rare height for the position. He's
Speaker 1: built like one of those old schools safety from back
Speaker 1: in my day. He did not run at the combine. Okay.
Speaker 1: He did not run the combine. Okay, Okay, So but
Speaker 1: I said this, I said, he was yeah, four or
Speaker 1: five nine, okay. See, so that's where I'm kind of thinking. Okay,
Speaker 1: ran four seven at his pro day in South Bend.
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking, why would he run again four or
Speaker 1: five nine? Kind of a crazy thing unless he felt
Speaker 1: like that he could have gotten a four or five
Speaker 1: two or something like that. He's probably not going to
Speaker 1: get into four four eights or four or four fives
Speaker 1: or something like that. But the thing about it is
Speaker 1: like I kind of felt like though that when I
Speaker 1: was watching a player, I was watching really a guy
Speaker 1: like a downhill player, a guy that's a wrap up
Speaker 1: tackler in the open field. I know they play him
Speaker 1: in the slot, and you and I got into discussion
Speaker 1: about that about him playing slot. I don't think he
Speaker 1: could play slot and all that kind of stuff, but
Speaker 1: they did play him there in Notre Dame. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think there's some things cover wise, and if you do,
Speaker 1: you're right. If you watch the Cincinnati game, there are
Speaker 1: a couple of snaps where he got a little off
Speaker 1: balance and coverage and he was fortunate that that ball
Speaker 1: didn't go his way. But I do love his toughness.
Speaker 1: I do love his versatility. I love the sure tackling ability.
Speaker 1: And this guy was a captain there at Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: I mean, so, like, I think his best trait is
Speaker 1: his ability to tackle and so and you said it,
Speaker 1: and rightfully, so is this j Ron curse? You know?
Speaker 1: Is this that type of player? And you know, I
Speaker 1: kind of felt like that if Jayron Curse. There's two
Speaker 1: players that we learned about last year. Jayron Curse can
Speaker 1: actually cover, which he never did, and Michael Parsons can
Speaker 1: rush the passer. Those are two things we learned last year.
Speaker 1: On dan Quinn's defense, I really like this kid. But
Speaker 1: I see your point about do you already have this
Speaker 1: player on your roster and you know you got him
Speaker 1: signed up for two years now. But to me, Kyle
Speaker 1: Hamilton still is a first round player because of the physicality,
Speaker 1: the length and the size. And maybe that's because of
Speaker 1: my old school way of looking at these safeties. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I admitted on the Draft Show like two months
Speaker 1: ago that I just had Kyle Hamilton as a placeholder
Speaker 1: in the first round because it wasn't going to matter
Speaker 1: because the entire world was like, hey, this guy's going
Speaker 1: in the top ten, and it was like, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: So I'll watch enough of him to have a general
Speaker 1: feel for him so I can talk about him, but
Speaker 1: he won't matter to the Cowboys. And I just kind
Speaker 1: of kept saying, I'm sure the whole world is right.
Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily see the top ten player and Cincinnati
Speaker 1: was the first game that I watched, and I was
Speaker 1: just like, okay, I think there's plays where you go,
Speaker 1: oh yeah. I think one of them is he blitzes
Speaker 1: off the edge and he jumps and he bats the
Speaker 1: ball down it's like eleven feet in the air, and
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, okay, that's fun. You should be playing
Speaker 1: for the Mavericks or something. He's got He's got a
Speaker 1: giant tackle radius. He looks like he runs well. But
Speaker 1: I do wonder if he's a duplicate of what's already like.
Speaker 1: He's a more it's weird trying to choose the right words,
Speaker 1: because he's a more explosive athlete than jay Ron Curse
Speaker 1: while not being able to outrun jay Ron Curse in
Speaker 1: a straight line. What's the one thing that we like
Speaker 1: about jay Ron Curse the most? Tackling and playing down
Speaker 1: around the line of screening. The guy missed three tackles
Speaker 1: last year, three total. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I mean,
Speaker 1: And so now I do think I think that's a
Speaker 1: player that, like Kyle Hamilton, whatever NFL team he goes to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now this is one man's opinion. I think you have
Speaker 1: to have a plan because I think if he's playing
Speaker 1: deep safety, free safety, a deep path man in the slot,
Speaker 1: that he's toast. That's what I think about Kyle Hamilton's.
Speaker 1: It could be wrong, but I see a dude that
Speaker 1: if he's lined up in the slot and it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: he's gonna cover that slot receiver, like, okay, well get
Speaker 1: the extra point blocked team ready because the slot fadees
Speaker 1: going six. Yeah, but but he can run around, chase
Speaker 1: the ball, blitz tackle. There's a lot of good things.
Speaker 1: I just wonder if now we're going to see enough
Speaker 1: teams that are going to be like, oh, well, you
Speaker 1: know which is weird because he knows faster at the combine,
Speaker 1: which no one runs faster at the combine. You know
Speaker 1: what your one? I know, but you know what your
Speaker 1: answer is going to be. My answer is like, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you which you can safety, Dax Hill. I'm
Speaker 1: more comfortable with Dax Hill than I am with Kyle Hamilton's.
Speaker 1: I'll say this, Okay, what did the league tell you
Speaker 1: about Jayron Curse this year in free agency that they
Speaker 1: still weren't interested in him? Yeah, you got five million
Speaker 1: dollars a year. It's funny then that everybody seems to
Speaker 1: be interested in Kyle Hamilton, but they weren't interested in
Speaker 1: Jayron Curse. If you think they're the same guy, yeah,
Speaker 1: and they weren't the same guy in college. And this
Speaker 1: is because we absolutely were We We thought that the
Speaker 1: Jron Curse didn't care, couldn't play. Yeah, yeah, we you
Speaker 1: know you, I mean maybe playing special teams for a
Speaker 1: half decade. Make sure, Hey, I heargot dan Quinn is
Speaker 1: coming here. And at least, you know, you have to
Speaker 1: give dan Quinn and George Edwards and those guys in
Speaker 1: the defensive staff a lot of credit because they've figured
Speaker 1: out though they've they've figured out how to take certain players.
Speaker 1: And maybe you don't see the blitz ability, maybe don't
Speaker 1: see the coverability. Maybe you don't see a lot of things,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden they're doing them, and
Speaker 1: you're like, damn, Parsons did that? Okay, because I do
Speaker 1: I do believe in my heart that if Parsons was
Speaker 1: just off ball linebacker, we'd be saying he's a good player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But with thirteen sacks or so, you're quite going, Okay,
Speaker 1: this guy's a great player. This is defensive rookie of
Speaker 1: the year. This is maybe the defensive MVP. You know,
Speaker 1: these are the kinds of things that in scouting that
Speaker 1: you you know, I personally, I mean Hamilton. If you really,
Speaker 1: really really like Hamilton, if you really like him, you're
Speaker 1: gonna say that four or five nine is good enough
Speaker 1: for you at at the combine. That's what you're gonna say.
Speaker 1: But if you want to, if you want to poke
Speaker 1: holes in him and put Dax. There's questions about Dax
Speaker 1: Hill too as a player. Maybe not maybe not as
Speaker 1: many as you know with the speed and stuff, but
Speaker 1: there's questions about him as a player. What are they?
Speaker 1: Would you like me to read my questions about Day? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Because I like he's um, I guess technically I have
Speaker 1: questions about Dax Hill. Like I think, line up in
Speaker 1: the slott he plays on his heels too often, it
Speaker 1: ends up chasing. But like when you're talking about am
Speaker 1: I comfortable with him in the slot? Sure? Yeah? Am
Speaker 1: I comfortable with him? Deep? Sure? Down? Sure, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: talk myself into Kyle Hamilton not being my top safety
Speaker 1: is what I'm gonna do. Well, okay, let me well,
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna go watch more games. Well that thought
Speaker 1: I don't have to. No, no, that thought. I just
Speaker 1: needed a thumbnail and I'd be good because he was
Speaker 1: gonna go in the top ten and I'd go, yeah,
Speaker 1: big safety, run tech, Yeah, if there's gonna be I mean,
Speaker 1: this is really starting to turn into weird because we're
Speaker 1: getting close to the end. And then you you know,
Speaker 1: I'll give example the kid Widermeyer from Texas A and M. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You can watch him play and you're like, going, well, hell,
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's drafted. Yeah, third fourth round guy, right,
Speaker 1: you know you're looking at him, and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden he runs five flat, You're oh god, he's undraftable.
Speaker 1: I think the things about Widemeyer people are gonna and
Speaker 1: Dallas is gonna bring Widemeyer in. I think the Whidemeyer's
Speaker 1: coming in because they want to know, like why do
Speaker 1: you not care? Why? Why do you Why is did
Speaker 1: you cut a foot off before you're in the well? No?
Speaker 1: Why is five flat good enough for you? Why is
Speaker 1: a twenty five inch vertical good enough for you? You know,
Speaker 1: there's questions you now need to ask because in his case,
Speaker 1: like honestly, I wouldn't draft him, and like I was
Speaker 1: I was raised by you where it's like, look I
Speaker 1: do I'm a film person and I trust the tape. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's place I have to draw lines somewhere. And
Speaker 1: if you're not close to an NFL athlete, see, that's
Speaker 1: when draft. That's what I'm saying. There's there's there's guys
Speaker 1: that aren't NFL athletes that I've been burned so many
Speaker 1: times by the I've been burned so many times by
Speaker 1: the weak offensive tackle. Yeah, that I you know, in
Speaker 1: matter of fact, I mean I watched a kid this morning.
Speaker 1: I watched the kid from from Wake Forest. Is that Tom? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Zach Tom. And I watched Zack Tom and I'm I'm
Speaker 1: going strong exactly good. No, No, Zach Tom is one
Speaker 1: of these guys. And you know what I compared him to.
Speaker 1: I said, he's got some tarred steel trades to him
Speaker 1: and you're like, and then you're when you say that
Speaker 1: to somebody, that going what this guy, well, tarred steel
Speaker 1: was undraftable this But you know this, this Zach Tom.
Speaker 1: He's not strong, he's not big, he's not physical, he
Speaker 1: gets in the way. But I've been burned so many
Speaker 1: times by the underside. David backtr I throw that name
Speaker 1: out there, a bunch that of guys that my guy
Speaker 1: from A Colton Miller from A from the Raiders is
Speaker 1: the other guy's soldier states soldier has kind of gone
Speaker 1: south a lot, but he had a long career. He
Speaker 1: had a long career, but he's played in Super Bowls
Speaker 1: and done well and all that. But there's a history
Speaker 1: of these guys that aren't strong, aren't great athletes. Then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you look like a real jackass
Speaker 1: when you're like going, well, man, that guy, I would
Speaker 1: never take him. And I'm not saying you, I'm just
Speaker 1: saying media scout in general, when we get on that train,
Speaker 1: know the end end route. In week eleven or week twelve,
Speaker 1: Smiths could go, man, Colton Miller looked pretty good blocking
Speaker 1: old you know, uh blocking you know whoever you want
Speaker 1: to throw out there. So let's take the A and
Speaker 1: M tight end. Because that's another thing about the Cowboys
Speaker 1: is looking at their thirty visit list and looking at
Speaker 1: other names, and there's a lot of tight ends on
Speaker 1: in here. Okay, this is another thing you need to
Speaker 1: think about real quick. If I could the thing with
Speaker 1: the thirty visits, somebody who's telling me like, oh, really,
Speaker 1: don't pay attention to the thirty visit things. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: and then I countered with, well, then stop drafting damn
Speaker 1: players off a thirty visit things and in multiple different rounds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't, because this is Jerry Stevens way of seeing
Speaker 1: the players, right, this is the way of putting him
Speaker 1: and you know, well, you know this is Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy now not going to owners meetings because he's
Speaker 1: going out scouting. But this Mike McCarthy can go see
Speaker 1: players now. So to me, thirty visits. Don't tell me
Speaker 1: it's not important for the Cowboys because even okay, and
Speaker 1: even I agree with you obviously, because they just keep
Speaker 1: picking guys and everybody does. There's a reason. It's because
Speaker 1: you're interested in either the player or the position group
Speaker 1: where you're going to be picking, right, right, we know
Speaker 1: that two of the guys that they're visiting are receivers
Speaker 1: that are gonna go around number twenty four somewhere around there.
Speaker 1: Sure you're interested in receiver in the first round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're visiting offensive lineman who are going to go around
Speaker 1: twenty four. Sure you're interested in receiver? And or offensive
Speaker 1: line at twenty four. Right done. I know already that
Speaker 1: there are at least two tight ends on your thirty
Speaker 1: visit list, and I ain't heard a peep about a
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz long term deal. No, So I know that
Speaker 1: you're interested in picking a tight end. Yeah, probably somewhere
Speaker 1: in the third or fourth round. Jerry admitted it yesterday.
Speaker 1: Jerry admitted it that you know he was looking for
Speaker 1: a tight end. I mean, you know, I don't see
Speaker 1: any attention at all of signing Dalton Schultz. This is
Speaker 1: this is one of those things like you can't lose
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz. You can't lose a Maury Cooper all in
Speaker 1: one cycle. You have to at least have somebody there
Speaker 1: spread this out a little well. And you've got an
Speaker 1: injury too, you know. I mean Jerry's talking about when when,
Speaker 1: when Gallup is coming back. I'm hopeful for that opening day. Okay,
Speaker 1: So you can get ready for a receiver in a
Speaker 1: tight end getting picked pretty early, Cowboy fan, because right
Speaker 1: now you're receiving core in week one would be Ceedee Lamb,
Speaker 1: James Washington, and Noah Brown. That's it. And I don't
Speaker 1: think you're taking the field that way. I don't believe that,
Speaker 1: not for a minute. Now, back to Widermeyer, Texas A
Speaker 1: and M tight end. Maybe some of the world would
Speaker 1: have said third round, some would have said fourth, Maybe
Speaker 1: some would have said fifth, twenty five inch vertical, five
Speaker 1: second forty yard dash. As a trust the tape, crusty,
Speaker 1: did you move him at all? Where did you have
Speaker 1: him on tape? And do you still have him in
Speaker 1: the third round? Believe him? Haven't moved him. You won't
Speaker 1: even you wouldn't even pop somebody above him in the
Speaker 1: same round. You're just saying, Nope, he stays right there. Now.
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like, to me though, that that
Speaker 1: unless somebody tells me something that when they visited with him,
Speaker 1: that he's a terrible human being, that he really doesn't care.
Speaker 1: I've been burned by that too, because you and I,
Speaker 1: You and I, and when we've done this now together
Speaker 1: for eight years, we only watched the tape. I'll never
Speaker 1: know if a guy. I will never I will never
Speaker 1: sit on tape. I will never know. Paxston Lynch. I
Speaker 1: cheerleaded for Paxton Lynch. The Cowboys thought enough at Paxton
Speaker 1: Lynch they would have been dead ass wrong about that.
Speaker 1: Should have figured that out. It's the combine. It's like
Speaker 1: Scooby Doo up there. They did Shaggy Shaggy. He was
Speaker 1: looks gonna get picked by the Broncos. But see that's
Speaker 1: that's where that's where, you know, all of a sudden
Speaker 1: you start to learn about you know, guys that are
Speaker 1: last in, first out. Yeah, you know. That's why I
Speaker 1: think that the thirty visit for Widemer is important because
Speaker 1: obviously they're hunting tied ends whether it's odd and at Washington,
Speaker 1: you know McBride from Colorado's they're hunting tied in Widemer.
Speaker 1: They're bringing him in to ask him that question. Are
Speaker 1: you allowed to make them exercise at the thirty visit?
Speaker 1: Could you just throw him a peers and be like,
Speaker 1: you're gonna run under five seconds and you're gonna jump
Speaker 1: higher than twenty five inches. You're gonna do it. Now
Speaker 1: you're gonna feed him. You're gonna feed him, and he's
Speaker 1: probably gonna get slower and all that. But now the
Speaker 1: questions need to be asked. You know, there's a couple
Speaker 1: there could be a couple of sliders in this thing. Stingley,
Speaker 1: we talked about him the corner from LSU. Yeah. Now, okay,
Speaker 1: that guy comes sliding down to twenty four. I'm handing
Speaker 1: that card in too, and I'm not doing just because
Speaker 1: the LSU, but I think I think the position is important. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: then I want to play a game with you. We're
Speaker 1: at twenty four. All of these guys can't be available,
Speaker 1: but just for fun, Yeah, Stingley slid down to twenty four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton slid down to twenty four, and one of
Speaker 1: the guys you were kind of planning on picking, let's
Speaker 1: say Kenyan Green, Texas A and m offensive lineman is
Speaker 1: at twenty four. See, okay, what you're doing for me personally,
Speaker 1: the way they would the way they would sit on
Speaker 1: my board would be Stingley, Hamilton Green, That's how they
Speaker 1: would sit on my board, and my stack would reflect that.
Speaker 1: Now for the Dallas Cowboys, you're dying for a guard
Speaker 1: right now. And Jerry Jones even told you he's dying
Speaker 1: for an offensive lineman. You know, you know it's funny. Jeffy,
Speaker 1: So I told you if Parsons or Lamb is there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's He only also told you he would draft
Speaker 1: a tackle. He told you that too. Now I don't
Speaker 1: know if this was just Jerry Jones Ramlin Rette guy,
Speaker 1: but I mean this was. He kind of gave me
Speaker 1: some hints on that. So I mean, oh the tackle. Okay,
Speaker 1: First of all, see you take Stingley, it takes you.
Speaker 1: Would you would say, my stack is my best player,
Speaker 1: my stack, My stack would reflect Stingley, Hamilton Green, That's
Speaker 1: would be my stack. Can you draw scenario where tackle
Speaker 1: is offensive? Tackle is the pick? Because the only way
Speaker 1: I can draw it, because I'm fairly certain and we
Speaker 1: do do this every year and sometimes we end up
Speaker 1: being way wrong and somebody's there you don't expect. But
Speaker 1: I think that Evan neil Ikey Kwanu, that's Alabama and
Speaker 1: NC State, Charles Cross, Trevor Penning. I think all of
Speaker 1: them are gone in the top twenty. See. That's the
Speaker 1: thing about it is, so if they pick a tackle,
Speaker 1: in my mind, I will be reaching and I'd be
Speaker 1: like no, no, no, no, no no. I wouldn't pick Raymond, right,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't pick him. I would have I would choose.
Speaker 1: I would choose Green, Hamilton, any I would choose anybody
Speaker 1: over Raymond would in that scenario would be my fourth guy. Now,
Speaker 1: they might like him a lot better than you and
Speaker 1: I do. Yeah, but I don't. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: have him. I mean, he's my fifth tackle, but I
Speaker 1: don't have him. As if there were others on the
Speaker 1: board of my stack, I kind of think I would
Speaker 1: go that route. They love them some position flex and
Speaker 1: I wonder if that gives Kenyan Green an advantage, Like
Speaker 1: if the team thinks he can play tackle, sure, like, hey,
Speaker 1: he'll be our left guard, and sure he's the heir
Speaker 1: apparent to Tyron Smith. Yeah, then, which I think was
Speaker 1: would probably be. I think he's a better guard myself.
Speaker 1: He too. I just I wonder if there's teams out
Speaker 1: there that think that a guy could because I think
Speaker 1: Trevor Penning at Northern Iowa, I think he's a tackle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he could play guard. See Flos l Adams
Speaker 1: played guard at that at that size, you know, sixty seven,
Speaker 1: and I mean that was that was Penning already runs
Speaker 1: hunched over like he's blocking inside zone when he's just
Speaker 1: going to get a snack. Yeah, he's getting He's getting
Speaker 1: back there. He's a really good player. Nasty guy too,
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Speaker 1: necessarily life advice. Look, Jeff, this one's not looking good.
Speaker 1: You need to think about leaving. Jeff. What's your bank account?
Speaker 1: Look like you're in trouble payment plan or run run,
Speaker 1: make your choice. Yeah, okay, and now it is time
Speaker 1: for this Twitter. I like my guy at tai wag
Speaker 1: one who says any Boise State prospects worth drafting. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's because this guy went to
Speaker 1: boise Yeah, or if he just knows that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: used to have a huge affinity for Boisey State. Khalil Shakir, Yeah,
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Absolutely, They've got a guy that's top of
Speaker 1: my head. I got to be missing one. Boys, he's
Speaker 1: usually got more than one NFL prospect. I know the
Speaker 1: one that I've looked at here so far has been Shakir.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, man that that's a super, super
Speaker 1: fun player to study there. And you know, it's funny,
Speaker 1: these these programs have have a little bit of a
Speaker 1: run of developing receivers. But this guy, when you watch
Speaker 1: him play at six foot one hundred and ninety seven pounds,
Speaker 1: I think he's the perfect height and weight for a
Speaker 1: wide receiver because he's impressive with the run after the
Speaker 1: catch stuff. You know, we talk about these these guys
Speaker 1: that have the ability to just blow up secondaries, you know,
Speaker 1: with the physicality with which they play, and I kind
Speaker 1: of feel like Shakure is that kind of guy because
Speaker 1: he's got it. He's almost got like a running back
Speaker 1: type of build to him, but man, he will catch
Speaker 1: it and he will do it at all levels and
Speaker 1: some of his best work and it's always been this
Speaker 1: way for some of these Boise guys in their offense
Speaker 1: is the ability to go across the field, the dragging,
Speaker 1: the deep crossing rounds and stuff like that. But man,
Speaker 1: this this guy. I love his toughness, I love his
Speaker 1: ability to get separation, and I love his ability to
Speaker 1: go get to football. And I in my last line
Speaker 1: of this of my notes, I said, this guy has
Speaker 1: a great chance to play for a long time just
Speaker 1: because of his makeup and the way he goes after
Speaker 1: that football. Khalil Shakier, Boise statewide receiver who I have
Speaker 1: as a third round guy. Yeah, probably makes more what
Speaker 1: in the hell just happened? Catches yeah than anyone in
Speaker 1: this class. Yeah he has more one handed but not
Speaker 1: yeah stick one hand a little bit. Yeah, always like
Speaker 1: kind of got it, tip it a little bit, snagg
Speaker 1: it and like there's like eight of them in this
Speaker 1: year's tape where it's like he'll lay on his back
Speaker 1: and catch balls all day. It's kind of gallop ish
Speaker 1: gallup does that where it's like, oh, that wasn't the
Speaker 1: cleanest catch ever, but he did it. YEA. Let's see
Speaker 1: here next, we've got some superlatives from at I'm not
Speaker 1: reading your user name. Biggest hitters in this draft and
Speaker 1: two best route runners in this draft. So just pull
Speaker 1: up your board and big hitters. When you say big hitters, Actually,
Speaker 1: the first guy that jumps to my mind isn't the
Speaker 1: guy who like breaks people the most, but it's the
Speaker 1: way that he wants to hit is Lewis scene the
Speaker 1: Georgia's safety scene. Will knock you unconscious, Skinny, He'll knock
Speaker 1: himself if you if you go back in those two
Speaker 1: years ago in the Florida Georgia game the Cocktail Party,
Speaker 1: he lights up Kyle Pitts. I remember, I remember like
Speaker 1: watching Pitts in him that game, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's good route good. Oh gosh, he just got murdered.
Speaker 1: He has no regard for his own health or those
Speaker 1: of the people he's playing again, No, he really really doesn't.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Our linebacker from wisconsin's a big hitter.
Speaker 1: Chanal Yeah, I think six two two sixty, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think he. I think he's a guy that's not afraid
Speaker 1: to lay the wood. To you there. Uh, I was
Speaker 1: I was trying to look at think at some of
Speaker 1: these other like these defensive lineman I've seen and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. They were kind of Whyatt is a Whyatt
Speaker 1: is kind of a sneaky up the field when he
Speaker 1: gets you in the backfield, slamming on the ground guy.
Speaker 1: I watched a kid named Pascal from Kentuckucky. He's another
Speaker 1: one of those shoot the gap, get up the field.
Speaker 1: Next you know he's slamming You're you're running back on
Speaker 1: the ground guy. But yeah, as far as those big
Speaker 1: those big hitters, what about the offensive lineman Kenny, Yeah,
Speaker 1: those two guys. When you start talking about blockers, they
Speaker 1: want to break. Yeah, they want to break you in half.
Speaker 1: And you know the route runners and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've you've talked a bunch about sky Moore
Speaker 1: and his ability to get open a great pick by you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know the Alabama kids all run really routes really well.
Speaker 1: Minshi run, but she's a good out runner. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: kind of feel like though two state guys are both
Speaker 1: going to higher state runners are both good. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think you in this day and age, you have
Speaker 1: to be able if you're going to have success in
Speaker 1: the in the passing game, you have to have guys
Speaker 1: that are good route runners, and I think this draft
Speaker 1: has several of those types of guys. Robert robert O'sheaan
Speaker 1: wants to know based on the talent gap between the positions,
Speaker 1: first round offensive line and then second round wide receiver
Speaker 1: or first round wide receiver and then second round oh line,
Speaker 1: I would go wide receiver over the OH line. Wait,
Speaker 1: first round, well, I'm not gonna get I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: get Cross or Equon Wu or Neil. Oh. I was
Speaker 1: thinking twenty four. Because I get twenty four, I have
Speaker 1: a chance. I have a chance to get Burke's. I
Speaker 1: think I have a chance to get a lobby and
Speaker 1: I would rather you know, but I but see, like,
Speaker 1: but if you do, which offensive linment you take him
Speaker 1: in the second? Well, I have Penny. You know, I
Speaker 1: haven't moved Penny. I mean to me, it's Cross, Equon,
Speaker 1: Wu Neil in my first and then Penny and the
Speaker 1: start of the second. So to me, I feel like
Speaker 1: that the wide receiver board will stretch a little further
Speaker 1: for me than the offensive tackle board. I don't know,
Speaker 1: you want to go line wide receiver yeah, I mean, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: the problem is though I don't have a first round guard.
Speaker 1: I don't and that's what scares me. The first round
Speaker 1: inside player that I would take, the first round inside
Speaker 1: player would be Lindebaum. That's who I would take. See,
Speaker 1: I'd love for the Cowboys to find a way somehow
Speaker 1: draft the center. If you want to do that and
Speaker 1: then figure out what's going on a guard, whether making
Speaker 1: a trade there, maybe assigning something like that, maybe you'd
Speaker 1: give McGovern another chance. I don't think they will, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, the scouts would be happy if he got
Speaker 1: another chance, but I'm not. I think there's when when
Speaker 1: you start. It's funny because you were talking about questions
Speaker 1: about Hamilton, and I have questions about Green and Zion
Speaker 1: Johnson and Ingram and all those guys I have. I
Speaker 1: have questions, but I have not as many questions about Linderbaumb.
Speaker 1: So to me, if you said, oh, you have to
Speaker 1: pick an inside guy and it have to be plug
Speaker 1: and play and let's go and no questions, I'm drafting
Speaker 1: that center from Iowa, I guess we got to see
Speaker 1: how this thing falls. But my gut is, if you
Speaker 1: told me you want an offensive lineman and a wide receiver.
Speaker 1: My preference would be, I want to get one of Linderbaum,
Speaker 1: Zion Johnson, Kenyan Green. Yeah, and in the second round
Speaker 1: I'll still have a good receiver, okay, whereas in the
Speaker 1: second round offensive line I won't feel as good. And Pickings.
Speaker 1: My problem a wide receiver, now, tell you a secret.
Speaker 1: My problem a wide receiver now is the two that
Speaker 1: I would really love in the second round. My gut
Speaker 1: is just like they're too good. Yeah, George Pickens ain't
Speaker 1: going to fifty six, sky Moore ain't going to fifty six.
Speaker 1: And so now maybe I'm thinking more it's John MITCHI,
Speaker 1: yeah at fifty six, which is fine, Yeah, it's fine.
Speaker 1: It's just not George Pickens. Yeah, we're sky Moore. See
Speaker 1: that's the thing to me, I think that you can get.
Speaker 1: I mean, the player that I would be the most
Speaker 1: excited at, Ingram in the second guys, what you want
Speaker 1: to do? Well, I've got Green, ingram In, Zion, Johnson,
Speaker 1: I've got them all right there. And that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I don't feel totally comfortable with all three of those guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, if I felt really really great about him, well,
Speaker 1: these guys would be a first round guy, but they're not. So.
Speaker 1: I mean, the only only in tier offensive lineman I
Speaker 1: have in the first round is Linder Bomb. Which wide
Speaker 1: receiver if they took one at twenty four would you
Speaker 1: hope is available? Birch for a lobby? Okay? And very
Speaker 1: different too, Like they're very different sure either one. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think I'd be fine with because I don't you know, Okay,
Speaker 1: but let me ask you this. I have, I have
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams as a first round player, but I mean
Speaker 1: maybe Jamison Williams you think he's here at twenty four
Speaker 1: because of the injury. I think there were playing a
Speaker 1: math game because I'd have to think about it, like
Speaker 1: how many wide receivers do you think go in the
Speaker 1: first twenty three? The first and I think it could
Speaker 1: be something like three or four? Yea four go? Yeah?
Speaker 1: He was like somebody told me, was it Daniel Jeremiah
Speaker 1: that did his top fifty and like eight of those
Speaker 1: guys were wide receivers or something like that. Actually happened
Speaker 1: to have that tab open, which I shouldn't because NFL
Speaker 1: dot com is evil and has AutoPlay videos all the time.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it will blare a stuff you don't really don't
Speaker 1: want to want to be watching. Some make sure well
Speaker 1: they don't have content like that, Brian, No, no, but
Speaker 1: they blare music and they're kind of embarrassing. Oh they'll say,
Speaker 1: you know, yes, you should buy this car, you know
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. All right. So in his top
Speaker 1: fifty are you just for fun here? Yeah? Wide receivers,
Speaker 1: he has Garrett Wilson, Ohio state number five. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: so we'll say he goes in the top twenty three. Okay,
Speaker 1: Drake London at USC number eight two. So we'll say
Speaker 1: he goes Chris Olav number sixteen three. We say he
Speaker 1: goes Jamison Williams number seventeens four trail and Burke's number
Speaker 1: twenty one. That's five, John Dotson number twenty five, Okay,
Speaker 1: slightly after, So it's so basically has five. Well, so
Speaker 1: there's a chance five receivers are gone. There you go,
Speaker 1: which again draws up for me if you are a
Speaker 1: George Pickens, he take guy more fans. He killed my board,
Speaker 1: Get ready to pick him? He killed my boy, Ready
Speaker 1: to pick him. William's gone, Wilson's gone, Burkes has gone.
Speaker 1: O Lobby's gone, London's gone. Okay, get ready, yeah, Pickens, Mitchie,
Speaker 1: sky Moore go, that's I mean, and I know what
Speaker 1: you would do. You get it twenty four. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know what I've got. I've gotten in the second round.
Speaker 1: You're not wrong about the player. You're not wrong. I
Speaker 1: mean you when you know you talked about going to
Speaker 1: have to study Hamilton's some More. Yeah you Steady sky More.
Speaker 1: There's there's a lot of gets open catches the ball.
Speaker 1: This guy's not five eight No, it's not a five
Speaker 1: eight players eight one sixty Yeah exactly, it's five ten
Speaker 1: ninety five. Come get some there you go, and then
Speaker 1: you know me, I'm like my six foot one ninety
Speaker 1: seven guy, I'm okay with that. Yeah, you're right on it.
Speaker 1: So wide receiver will be interesting. I feel like we're
Speaker 1: gonna have to watch like forty wide receivers because maybe
Speaker 1: six or seven go in the first round and the
Speaker 1: guys thinking about the second bang bang, Jeffrey, I feel
Speaker 1: more comfortable about wide receivers than I do interior offensive linement,
Speaker 1: with the exception of Linden Bomb Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because that top group is so I think I said
Speaker 1: this last week. I if you told me, uh not
Speaker 1: your life depends on it, because that seems really it's
Speaker 1: weird and scary that and gun your head. I never
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, not that either. Yeah, but like pinky
Speaker 1: toe bit yeah, like your reward if you choose to
Speaker 1: accept this wager. Sure, in the wager is if you
Speaker 1: get it wrong, if you lose a pinky toe yeah,
Speaker 1: but if you get it right, you get a sum
Speaker 1: of money. Do you want to make this wager? Name
Speaker 1: the best receiver in this draft class five years from now?
Speaker 1: And I'll give you how many guesses would you need
Speaker 1: to make that wager? Because I need seven? Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think there's seven guys who could end up being the
Speaker 1: best receiver in this class. And maybe I'm gonna miss
Speaker 1: even with that because I'm gonna leave out Alec Pierce.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave out Jayalen Tilbert at South Alabama, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna leave out John Dotson at Penn State because Watson's player.
Speaker 1: I got seven receivers in this class that I really,
Speaker 1: really really like, and that is Garrett Wilson, sky More
Speaker 1: Trail and Burke's Drake London, Jamison Williams, Chris Olave, George Pickens.
Speaker 1: Pickens is a sneaky one. Yeah, why he hasn't talked
Speaker 1: about with the other guys. There's a I don't know.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of players in this draft that I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody's really talking about very much. And I
Speaker 1: think Pickens is the one that whicheveryone goes to Rogers
Speaker 1: and which everyone goes to Homes. Yea, I wish you
Speaker 1: talking you can wish you talked about and you know,
Speaker 1: and when Chrystal Love makes one hundred and third catch
Speaker 1: of the year with Rogers Kansas City, is ken't see
Speaker 1: he's taking a Georgia wide receiver report and then they
Speaker 1: take Hartman Nicolet Hartman. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. It's
Speaker 1: my favorite thing of this draft that's not Cowboy related
Speaker 1: is which of these guys is going to Green Bay
Speaker 1: and which of these guys out to Kansas City and
Speaker 1: whoever it because they're going bonkers. Trust me, I live
Speaker 1: five years of my life in Green Bay. That guy
Speaker 1: throwing you the ball, you'll be in the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame before you know it. Put sky Moore in the
Speaker 1: slot with Pat Mahomes and get ready for a hundred
Speaker 1: twenty Catchen no kidding, no kids. Put one of these
Speaker 1: outside guys with Aaron Rodgers, give me a route runner
Speaker 1: with Rogers, give me it need to be a love
Speaker 1: a yea or sky U give me Jamison Williams with
Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes. Yeah, I want to throw the ball real far.
Speaker 1: Get ready because this stuff is gonna happen. Uh. Travis
Speaker 1: wanted to know who is the Micah Parsons of this
Speaker 1: year's draft, someone who you could draft and everyone's like, okay,
Speaker 1: I guess that works. Then he shows us something we
Speaker 1: didn't see on tape and is way better than expected.
Speaker 1: Such a hard question, so you just had to stare
Speaker 1: at the board and wait for something to come to you.
Speaker 1: Which guy do you watch and you're like, yeah, I'd
Speaker 1: be okay with that pick, and then maybe it turns
Speaker 1: out that he's a freaking stud. Jermaine Johnson's that guy
Speaker 1: from me Florida State Edge. Yeah. I think he's a
Speaker 1: good player, and I don't and I think people are
Speaker 1: giving him credit, but they're talking about Thibadeau Hutchinson Walker
Speaker 1: Jane was on Walker from Georgia for a long time, Carloptus.
Speaker 1: But Jermaine Johnson to me, when you watch him play.
Speaker 1: There's some people that probably are like, man, he's okay,
Speaker 1: He's okay. Wait, Georgia transfer, right, you know, Oh, Florida
Speaker 1: State not very good to Oh he's okay. And then
Speaker 1: he gets in the league and just tears this thing
Speaker 1: up with some of his past rush ability. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think about Maffi's another guy from Minnesota. Gosh, man,
Speaker 1: the past rush group has like five. I know that
Speaker 1: because like, you get out of the first round and
Speaker 1: tell me if you have a strong preference on these guys.
Speaker 1: Ebikati at Penn State, Yeah, Mafe at Minnesota. Second round,
Speaker 1: I have Ebikati at I have him in the third.
Speaker 1: I just I can't figure him out. Well, they're all
Speaker 1: I think that's what this bench class is, when you
Speaker 1: get outside of the guys who you're like, okay, I
Speaker 1: get it, can play the run, can rush the passer,
Speaker 1: productive at a big school. Like you've got your five
Speaker 1: or six guy group. Then you come down to the
Speaker 1: next one and you're like, man, I'm really kind of
Speaker 1: picking on potential here. I'll give you another one. Fortner
Speaker 1: for the center from Kentucky. I think that he's going
Speaker 1: to be a really, really good pro and I know
Speaker 1: people will probably not talk. Everybody's talking about Parum and
Speaker 1: you know, and and and Lindabaum and guys like that.
Speaker 1: I think that Kentucky center has got a chance to
Speaker 1: be really, really good. I think if you're going to
Speaker 1: throw out a random offensive lineman, I could throw out
Speaker 1: I think Jamari Sawyer, the Georgia had left tackle, could
Speaker 1: be a really good NFL guard. And Lucas the Washington
Speaker 1: State offensive tackle I have as a second round guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go. That Dud's a four year starter that
Speaker 1: has had he has like three thousand college pass pro reps. No, no, yeah, boy,
Speaker 1: it's clean. They don't They don't really run block two
Speaker 1: point stance and just yeah, chass block all day when
Speaker 1: we're running the ball. Just come out of your pass
Speaker 1: block stands and try your best and see if you
Speaker 1: could push again. I mean, I mean people were talking
Speaker 1: about could Muma be a guy that Chad movement could
Speaker 1: be a stud that people a small school guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but unlike a lot of linebackers in his class, Like,
Speaker 1: I think he's maybe as good moving backward as he
Speaker 1: is forward. And That's what I'm looking for in linebackers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily looking for just run forward and thump. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but what do you do coverage? How comfortable are you
Speaker 1: with it? What's your How agile are you? How like?
Speaker 1: And Chad Muma. The only thing that stops me from
Speaker 1: having him as like a top forty player is where
Speaker 1: he played. Yeah, I haven't seen don't let don't let
Speaker 1: that that quarterback that you didn't like very much is
Speaker 1: went to school there too. Yeah. Now if he played quarterback,
Speaker 1: I would put him higher, but like a linebacker at
Speaker 1: that level of competition, but he does everything. I'm just
Speaker 1: totally busting. He does everything. Let me tell you. I'll
Speaker 1: give you a guy that it's hard to find tape
Speaker 1: on him. Joshua Williams from Fayetteville State is a cornerback
Speaker 1: that's six four one ninety five pounds And it's one
Speaker 1: of those things I always ask myself this question, Why
Speaker 1: is Joshua Williams at six four one five playing at
Speaker 1: Fayetteville State? You know, six four corners are weird? Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's weird. It's very weird. People trip me out in
Speaker 1: the NFL. It's weird. And you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: this guy can't Yeah, he's tall. And hebody moves exceptionally
Speaker 1: well and I was lucky to somehow some way hook
Speaker 1: and crook some some like a game. Yeah, you're working
Speaker 1: a side hustle somewhere. I'm trying. I'm trying. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm trying, but it doesn't always work. Trust me on this,
Speaker 1: but I did. Somebody told me about him, and so
Speaker 1: this guy. Just keep an eye. Joshua William six five
Speaker 1: from Fayetteville Steak. He was in the Senior Bowl too.
Speaker 1: You can go back and watch him in the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl drills and stuff like that that I do have access.
Speaker 1: Yet there you go. That'd be the best. That would
Speaker 1: be the best thing. I would recommend Jeff that you
Speaker 1: do go take a look at that. In the vein
Speaker 1: of Mumam, I gotta throw out Cole Strange. My only
Speaker 1: knock on Cole Strange because he's blocking me and you
Speaker 1: it's my only knock. But you're watching him run, block
Speaker 1: and finish and pass pro looks easy. It's just he's
Speaker 1: at Chattanooga and so it's like I don't have a
Speaker 1: reference point. He was competitive at the Senior Bowl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: are you gonna put a ton of stock into that
Speaker 1: or just say hey, good job. Like if the Cowboys
Speaker 1: drafted Cole Strange in the third round to come compete
Speaker 1: at left guard, I'd be fine with that. It's just
Speaker 1: Chattanooga take. He's blocking me all the time. You know,
Speaker 1: he's kicking my butt. Yeah, you know you can, you can't.
Speaker 1: They did play Kentucky, so you can kind of cane
Speaker 1: and held his own at Kentucky. Yeah. You know, the
Speaker 1: thing about him is, again, here's one of my references.
Speaker 1: I said, kind of a throwback old school player, and
Speaker 1: he doesn't wear any gloves or pads on his hands.
Speaker 1: You just kind of bare handed there. The way it plays,
Speaker 1: no defensive lineman at Kentucky looked like a better player
Speaker 1: than Cole Strange. Yeah. The thing about it is, man,
Speaker 1: I mean this, this guy looks like a really good
Speaker 1: foot athlete on tape because you'd never see him on
Speaker 1: the ground. He was only on the ground when he
Speaker 1: was on top of his guy. And then there was
Speaker 1: a lot of times like East Tennessee. Stay, you know,
Speaker 1: he was pinning his guy pretty well right there. But
Speaker 1: this guy does a super job of finishing those blocks.
Speaker 1: The movement skills not as clean as it always when
Speaker 1: he's pulling in stuff or redirecting, and I thought there
Speaker 1: was a little struggle there when he had to turn
Speaker 1: into juzz. But man, once he gets this guy going,
Speaker 1: he could just play through it. And I thought he
Speaker 1: had a good pass set and balance and body control
Speaker 1: in some of those things when you're talking about pass blocking.
Speaker 1: But the pulling stuff looked a little clunky to the
Speaker 1: run blocking when it getting in space looked a little
Speaker 1: clunky for him. So you know, I mean, let's see
Speaker 1: beat the senior pulls another one of those great things
Speaker 1: you go back and watch and play against better competition.
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Speaker 1: people maybe maybe like Jordan maybe Jordan Davis would be
Speaker 1: a good one. Georgia defensive tackle. Yeah, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: think if there's anybody that could do the get up
Speaker 1: on the turnbuckle stuff and start diving down on people.
Speaker 1: Did the people's help the people's that was done from
Speaker 1: the ground, Yeah, macho man did the other one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Trent McDuffie with his little arms and kind of not
Speaker 1: a big guy, just kind of damn gymnastics out there,
Speaker 1: he would be. Yeah, like Jimmy Snooker off the top rope.
Speaker 1: Your guy Marcus Jones at Houston. Marcus Jones would be
Speaker 1: a good little athletic guy, kind of do that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys are in Tuscaloosa tomorrow tomorrow. Will McClay, the
Speaker 1: headball coach, is going in dan Quinn. Are all going
Speaker 1: to Alabama tomorrow? Is Mike McCarthy. I'm like the sometimes
Speaker 1: defender of Mike McCarthy because a lot of people just
Speaker 1: don't like Mike mccarthur. I'm the sometimes defender. But let
Speaker 1: me ask you this real quick. On Twitter today, you
Speaker 1: said something verily really interesting that that we why are
Speaker 1: we going after the Cowboys so much in the front
Speaker 1: office when they do a good job of evaluating players
Speaker 1: and putting players on this roster. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think people just want to win Super Bowls. Sure, and
Speaker 1: so if you make the playoffs and then you lose,
Speaker 1: and you make the playoffs and then you lose, at
Speaker 1: least you're making the playoffs over a period of decades.
Speaker 1: I think that right now the Cowboys have reached the
Speaker 1: point where a fan base has reached a frustration point
Speaker 1: that you can't win a freaking playoff game. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I'm the weirdo. That's like, if you gave me the
Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis Bengals and you were like, hey, twenty straight
Speaker 1: years of not doing anything, I'm gonna get you in
Speaker 1: the mix every year. Yeah, Like I feel like they
Speaker 1: made the playoffs every year. Yeah, I'm like, Okay, you've
Speaker 1: done your job, Let's go win a freaking playoff game. Sure,
Speaker 1: and you did. And so people are like this front
Speaker 1: office this, this front office that, and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: you're disappointed because you think this front office built a
Speaker 1: team that should have won even more than the twelve
Speaker 1: games at won. So you probably shouldn't hate this front
Speaker 1: office that much. You think they built a really good team.
Speaker 1: And they tend to do that unless their quarterback dies,
Speaker 1: not dies, but gets hurt, gets hurt, Like that's kind
Speaker 1: of what they do. So, yeah, that's my off season
Speaker 1: thing about the Cowboys. As I understand that sports fans
Speaker 1: are passionate that the Cowboys haven't won enough postseason games
Speaker 1: and forever, and so people are gonna be frustrated. But
Speaker 1: I think there's a balance there where you realize you're competitive.
Speaker 1: What you really want is your players to play better
Speaker 1: in the one play off game that they played in
Speaker 1: last year. Sure, that's what you want, right, And so
Speaker 1: I'm not going to take that and then projected onto
Speaker 1: they're all idiots. Nobody knows what they're doing. Well, yeah
Speaker 1: they do. Otherwise you wouldn't be so mad that you
Speaker 1: lost a playoff game. You thought you should have won
Speaker 1: that playoff game, true, because you had a good enough
Speaker 1: team yeah. I just it's funny because, like I say,
Speaker 1: when you know, when you and I were doing radio
Speaker 1: together and stuff like that, it was always like, you know,
Speaker 1: they're just I think the fans are even lining up
Speaker 1: more now I think they I think, yeah, they're they're
Speaker 1: really the frustration was high, but you know, but that's
Speaker 1: what I'll be your sunshine. They call me positive Jeff,
Speaker 1: you know. And also too, something came out of that,
Speaker 1: you know. Mike McCarthy meeting with the media this morning too,
Speaker 1: he talked about that. Will McClay mentioned and I've said
Speaker 1: this before the times you and I've worked together on
Speaker 1: the draft traditionally had like one hundred and fifty to
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty draftable names, and we put way
Speaker 1: too many guys on our boards. No that and now
Speaker 1: that I'm now that I'm doing it where how I
Speaker 1: want to do it. That's what I'm doing. I think
Speaker 1: it's like team was like, I'm not you would watch
Speaker 1: every player we could. It's like, oh, he's not very good.
Speaker 1: Throw them in the seventh it's not very Really, what
Speaker 1: you need to do is say, put them on, make
Speaker 1: a note that you watched him, put him off. He's
Speaker 1: not on my board, and that's exactly right. So you
Speaker 1: get you get two hundred and fifty, one hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty names. Will McMichael McCarthy said today they're looking at
Speaker 1: two twenty and I think a lot of it has
Speaker 1: to do because of COVID football and what is it
Speaker 1: usually you said one fifty to one sixty. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: COVID football we've got, you know, like the university had
Speaker 1: a lot of six year guys, six years guys, that's
Speaker 1: what That was the one thing that scouts were telling
Speaker 1: me when they were going on the road that they
Speaker 1: were worried about that all of a sudden, there they
Speaker 1: had They're going to have to look at about one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty more players than they've had before because
Speaker 1: of all the guys taken that extra sixth year. You
Speaker 1: got a fair wore to put this twenty six year old. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like that offensive Oh yeah he's good. He's twenty six
Speaker 1: offensive tackle from Minnesota. Fucking kids. Yeah, but that's but
Speaker 1: that's it's funny that you know, now they're working on
Speaker 1: a board this year, it's going to be probably two
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty names. I'm not having two hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty names on my board. I'm sorry, that's not I'm
Speaker 1: not either. I'll get to about one thirty one forty
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna move on with my day. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of there's a lot of talent shocking, I know,
Speaker 1: in Tuscaloosa to work through. So it'll be interesting to
Speaker 1: see what comes out of there where it's like here's
Speaker 1: Dan quinn working with here's Mike McCarthy watching Jamison Williams. Well,
Speaker 1: I guess he may not do anything. No, probably not him, Menshi.
Speaker 1: Both are kind of struggling a little bit with the
Speaker 1: injuries and things like that. I think that to me,
Speaker 1: this is more about Mike going in there and having
Speaker 1: a feeling about those defensive tackles, you know, having it
Speaker 1: about the linebacker as well. You know, I think there's
Speaker 1: a that's a that's a couple of spots that I
Speaker 1: would look at for sure, you know, going in there
Speaker 1: and making sure we had those guys covered up. Justin
Speaker 1: wanted to know is justin Ross in consideration for you
Speaker 1: on day two or day three? And that is I
Speaker 1: admit a guy that I am somehow lacking and haven't
Speaker 1: watched it him. I've got him and I was a
Speaker 1: freshman who's a stud. Yeah. Absolutely, And you know this
Speaker 1: is a guy that actually hurt his neck and you
Speaker 1: know and miss time. I mean he's six four, he's
Speaker 1: two hundred and five pounds. You know, he's that tall,
Speaker 1: thin build. I don't think he has great time speed,
Speaker 1: but the initial quickness and get off and stuff is
Speaker 1: going to be really, really, really good. You know, the
Speaker 1: coaches do try and get him the ball in space
Speaker 1: and let him go. He can make things happen with
Speaker 1: the ball in his hands. He's going to find ways
Speaker 1: to make plays. He could be a hard guy to
Speaker 1: knock off his feet, even being like that tall, thin build.
Speaker 1: And I've seen these defenders take shots at him, Jeff,
Speaker 1: and he manages to stay up right and you know,
Speaker 1: the hands to snatch the ball, the body control of
Speaker 1: the balance, the adjust to get the feet down in
Speaker 1: tight spaces, go high in order to get it. He
Speaker 1: had a reception in the Syracuse game where it was
Speaker 1: amazing how high he was able to get up to
Speaker 1: get that ball. So you talk about high point in
Speaker 1: the football, I think the concentration. But yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be questions about him because he missed the
Speaker 1: entire twenty twenty season with a neck injury. So you
Speaker 1: know he came back and played and necks aren't fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that, and you know he you know, the team
Speaker 1: wasn't up to Clemson standards and the quarterback wasn't up
Speaker 1: to Clemson standards. But he's been super productive. But that
Speaker 1: neck is something that people are definitely gonna have to
Speaker 1: check out. Here's a Twitter handle I can relate to
Speaker 1: at lost a thought, Yeah, lost a thought with Jerry
Speaker 1: telegraphing the team supposed a draft strategy. Do you think
Speaker 1: another team could jump us for a player like Zion
Speaker 1: Johnson or Kenyan Green This is another one of my
Speaker 1: positive Jeff here. I'm gonna hit you with some positive
Speaker 1: Jeff real quick because I see this a lot where
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, teams knew you were gonna cut a
Speaker 1: Mary Cooper, you would have got more. If Mary Cooper
Speaker 1: was Tyreek Hill, you would have got a Tyreek Hill
Speaker 1: Hall for sure, he's not. You didn't ye Green Bay today,
Speaker 1: I don't remember if it was head coach or GM
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, we honestly, what we really need is
Speaker 1: a legitimate deep threat. They could take the top off
Speaker 1: every team is going to talk about what they're going
Speaker 1: to do. And unless an NFL team is completely incompetent,
Speaker 1: you already know what other teams want to do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're not teams know you need a left guard, Jerry
Speaker 1: saying it is not gonna make somebody go, you know what.
Speaker 1: A matter of fact, he's right, they need a left guard.
Speaker 1: Well let's jump him for the left guard. If they
Speaker 1: were going to jump you for the left guard, they're
Speaker 1: already talking about it. Yeah, if they're not waiting for
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones to announce your plans. You want to have
Speaker 1: some fun. That was your job. Your job was to
Speaker 1: know what teams were gonna do. You want to have
Speaker 1: some fun. Go back on Google and look at my
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight talk to the Philadelphia media about that draft.
Speaker 1: You guys know what we need exactly not a secret,
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. We know that's the truth that you
Speaker 1: do know. You do know these fans. Fans aren't stupid.
Speaker 1: They watch enough games, and that's what pro departments are for.
Speaker 1: That's what you know. When I was my job with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys in two thousand and five when we were
Speaker 1: trying to draft Marcus Spears, and your job is to
Speaker 1: get yelled at by Bill Parcels. Parcels, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: he yelled at me. He goes, you know, I told him,
Speaker 1: I said, hey, Cincinnati, Minnesota, they're going to take defensive ends.
Speaker 1: He goes, why the hell would you say that? And
Speaker 1: I go because the owner asked me to say that.
Speaker 1: It's my job. It's my job. And he go and
Speaker 1: he didn't, you know, And then sure enough Erasmus James
Speaker 1: and David Pollock went off the board boom boom. But
Speaker 1: they didn't take Marcus Spears. Okay, so that was probably
Speaker 1: just him still being mad that he didn't get Sean Merriman.
Speaker 1: Oh no, they had to take the same year. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was happy that we had the twentieth pick to
Speaker 1: get Spears. But before us at eighteen and nineteen were
Speaker 1: two you know, we're two different you know, we're two
Speaker 1: defensive ends. And so you know, like I say, you know,
Speaker 1: that's your job, Jerry, and others don't. It's not a secret.
Speaker 1: It's just not I mean, teams could look team needs,
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, I can google this and I could
Speaker 1: get it from eight different websites and they'll all agree
Speaker 1: on what the needs are. Okay, we know the NFL. Yeah, okay, Well,
Speaker 1: let's let's talk about the Cowboys seventeen eighteen games this season. Hmmm,
Speaker 1: left guard seemed to be a problem spot. You can
Speaker 1: tell that in eighteen games. Cooper's gone. They might be
Speaker 1: short of wide receiver. Oh and another guy's got to
Speaker 1: hurt knee. M Maybe they can do Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: they sign they're tied in for one year, and the
Speaker 1: other one is probably going to retire. Yeah, exactly. Teams
Speaker 1: know and they're going to like, will teams actively try
Speaker 1: to jump you for a position they want? Sure? Yeah,
Speaker 1: not because of what Jerry said. Well, because they know
Speaker 1: what you want and if they want it too, they
Speaker 1: know they gotta go get it. And you gotta be
Speaker 1: smart that know what teams behind you. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You gotta know what teams potentially could jump you. You know,
Speaker 1: you gotta know going in the teams that are aggressive
Speaker 1: at training up New Orleans Saints. You do not want
Speaker 1: the New Orleans Saints behind you. When Sean Payton was there,
Speaker 1: Sean Payton will come flying all the way up the board.
Speaker 1: John Dorsey back in the day with Andy Reid in
Speaker 1: Kansas City. Look what they did for Pat Mahomes come
Speaker 1: flying up the board. There's some teams you know we're
Speaker 1: gonna come. You gotta be alert and you got to
Speaker 1: know what their needs are. Well, hey, by the way,
Speaker 1: we're pick twenty four. Oh what pick thirty? This team
Speaker 1: has a need of a guard. We have to be
Speaker 1: worried about, you know, can't somebody else coming up the
Speaker 1: board on us. I would like to thank Jakuaski Tart
Speaker 1: of San Francisco for dropping that interception so that the
Speaker 1: Rams could move on and then go in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Because the Rams I don't give a half a hoot
Speaker 1: about my first round picks, second round picks or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's like it's permeating now. And I think that frustrates
Speaker 1: Cowboy fans too, because you're watching other teams. We're like, fine,
Speaker 1: here's all my ones. Give me Diary kill Fine, here
Speaker 1: give me Davante Adams, Here, give me Russell Wilson. I
Speaker 1: would like to thank the Rams for winning that Super
Speaker 1: Bowl because it's making the offseason a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: It is, even if the Cowboys aren't going to play
Speaker 1: that game, which they're not see and that's what I
Speaker 1: think is disappointing to Cowboy fans, and I think that honestly,
Speaker 1: I think if Will McClay ran his own team, I
Speaker 1: think his attitude wouldn't be to do what the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are doing right now. I think Will does what Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones wants him to do. And I'm not saying he's
Speaker 1: a puppet guy, but I'm saying, you know, he puts
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on Will on this draft. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he really really does. He leans on these scouts, and
Speaker 1: rightfully so these scouts have delivered, a lot of them have,
Speaker 1: and so it's a lot of pressure. But I think
Speaker 1: that if you saw Will McClay, what's funny about the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: If there's a team that should be super aggressive and
Speaker 1: do crazy things, it's a Cowboys because they're general manager
Speaker 1: and player personnel guy. I'm not going anywhere. You know,
Speaker 1: you can make moves if you're not going to get fired.
Speaker 1: Some of these general managers make moves because they're gonna
Speaker 1: get fired. If you think about what Chris Greer's doing
Speaker 1: in Miami right now, if it doesn't work out in
Speaker 1: Miami with all the cap they've used and all the
Speaker 1: picks and stuff they've used, if that doesn't happen, then
Speaker 1: you know what's going to happen. Chris Greery gets fired.
Speaker 1: But it's not Chris Greer's problem anymore. Some other guys problem. See,
Speaker 1: And I think that is one of the things in
Speaker 1: Lydon Tampa. Yeah, less snit in the Rams. I think
Speaker 1: that is a philosophical debate, doesn't have a right or
Speaker 1: wrong answer. And I know which side the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: on in this, and I think I agree with them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where it's like, look, any team in the league could
Speaker 1: increase their chances of winning this Super Bowl this year
Speaker 1: by a little bit by hey, move that money, move
Speaker 1: that money, move that money, trade that trade that boom.
Speaker 1: Look at we have a little better chance to win
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl this year. And because the Rams just
Speaker 1: one one doing it, I think the whole world is like,
Speaker 1: that's the right way, Whereas I think a lot of
Speaker 1: teams believe if we're in the mix every year, all
Speaker 1: that matters is you get to the playoffs and then
Speaker 1: you get lucky. Sounds like a cop out, but that's
Speaker 1: part of it. Quaski Tart dropped a pick. Yeahs move on, Rams,
Speaker 1: win super Bowl. Like you, I am in the camp
Speaker 1: where it's like, give me the best chance to get
Speaker 1: there every year and eventually it'll work. Sure, it would
Speaker 1: help if you had like the best quarterback in football.
Speaker 1: They tend to win more often than most people. But
Speaker 1: I need Dak to play to that level and just
Speaker 1: put me in the tournament. You talked to me in
Speaker 1: you talked to Jason like at Tampa three years ago.
Speaker 1: Jason felt like that his he was packing up the
Speaker 1: U haul. So at that point, why not and then
Speaker 1: I'll send Tom Brady shows up. Yeah, but he but
Speaker 1: Jason had drafted a pretty good team. He just couldn't
Speaker 1: find a quarterback. He tried. He tried with Jamis Winston,
Speaker 1: but thirty interceptions and thirty touchdowns doesn't get it done.
Speaker 1: I mean he tried, not quite, not quite. But see
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, though, Sometimes you have to have
Speaker 1: a little bit of luck along the way with the
Speaker 1: moves you make. And both him unless Snead have done
Speaker 1: a really good job of taking advantage of things of
Speaker 1: moves that he can make. Well, Brian, that was fun.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Miller Lytton, Y Tax and WrestleMania and
Speaker 1: Rowdy third d Route. Always shout out to Rowdy. Always
Speaker 1: shout to rowdy and Thursday, maybe there will be other
Speaker 1: people here, but I'll be honest, I hope not. I
Speaker 1: hope it's just us again, and that we come up
Speaker 1: with the show two minutes before the show, not that
Speaker 1: we did that today. Well, you and I'll do a
Speaker 1: show on Wednesday Night together, Wedday Night, my YouTube batch
Speaker 1: Jeff Kavanaugh. There you go. All right, Thanks everybody. We
Speaker 1: will see you next time. Hellmet will be back from Miami,
Speaker 1: Yeoman's will be back from New New York. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: Brian and I'll be here. It'll be time for the
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