1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Scrubbing In with Becca Tilly and Tanya Ren and I 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: Heart radio podcast Everybody. We have a very special guest today. 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: We have Karin Fox joining us on the podcast or 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 1: rubbing In. Hello. Hi, you are a fellow podcaster, so 5 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: it's so exciting to have you joining us today. So 6 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: good to meet you. I know, it's so weird to 7 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: be on the other side of things. I'm so used 8 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: to interviewing people. I'm like, okay, just like sit back 9 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: and let you guys like what do I do here? 10 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: That's so funny. Every time I go on someone else's podcast, 11 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like, what am I going to ask you that. 12 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, you know what, it's their job problem. Yeah, 13 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride. Now. 14 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: I'm really excited to be here. Thank you for having me. Yeah, 15 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: thank you for coming on. I was just listening to 16 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: your hundredth episode. Congratulations, thank you. It feels like an accomplishment. 17 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: Granted that I started the podcasts in my mom's pool 18 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 1: cabana during the pandemic, and now I'm doing it in 19 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: a studio and it's like, wow, we've really grown from 20 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: episode of one. Yeah. Well, so when you started the podcast. 21 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: I mean, I know the pandemic really helped a lot 22 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 1: of people tap into just like other avenues. Basically, what 23 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: was your thought process behind wanting to start a podcast? Um? 24 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: It was really my best friend Tony and and we 25 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: we found ourselves calling each other all the time once 26 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: we got into adulthood and we were like, hey, I'm 27 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: doing my taxes, Like am I doing this right? Hey? 28 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: I need to get my car repaired? Am I doing 29 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: this right? Like just all these things that like, I'm 30 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: a college graduate, I feel like I should, you know, 31 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: know how to be an adult. And you realize like 32 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: you're not taught any of these things. And so I 33 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: just was like sitting in a meditation one day and 34 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: like popped into my head and like, I have to 35 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: do a podcast and I have to do about all 36 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: of these life skills that were supposed to have learned 37 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: that we have no idea how to do. And it 38 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: will be me and my best friend basically walking you 39 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: through it. But it's not like a long lecture like 40 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: some old white guy telling you how to do your 41 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: you know, taxes and things like that. It's you and 42 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: your best friend and we're drinking wine. Every episode and 43 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 1: it's fun, it's suggestible, and these are the real conversations 44 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: that we're having. What did you say? What time do 45 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: you track it? Or what time do you do it? Well, 46 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: it comes out tuesdays. She's asking because she's saying, y'all 47 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: are drinking, and we always say we wish we but 48 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: we go theddle of it was a great idea until 49 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: we record it and it's eleven am on a Thursday 50 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: and we're like, okay, wait, this wasn't a great idea. Yes, 51 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: well the podcast is actually called am I doing this right? 52 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: So it's I We always talk about that. I always 53 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: say that with my friends and like, why didn't we 54 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: learn how to do any of these things that we 55 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: actually made, Like they don't tell you about uh oh 56 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: my gosh, like medical, what is the consurance? And health 57 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: and health insurance. It's like all these things buying a home, yeah, 58 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: leasing a car, buying the buying a car. I'm like, 59 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: I was starting, where do you learn this stuff a podcast? Yeah? 60 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: Well my podcast? But yeah, my my best friend and 61 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: I we do a lot of research. We make sure 62 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: that we only use like dot GUVs and like dot etu, 63 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: so that they're like very you know, verified, because we're 64 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: not experts, and we we preface that like this is 65 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: this is information from a non expert. This is what 66 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: we found on the internet. You're like, disclaimer, we're talking 67 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: about exactly. We get that. We often, like every no, 68 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: on every episode, we do an email where we give advice, 69 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: just like if someone emails in like relationship advice, just anything, 70 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: and we're always like, by the way, this is just 71 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: off the cuff, there's no expert background. Certain times you 72 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: do you need a third person to tell you what 73 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: to do, even if you kind of already know. You 74 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: just need somebody who's not involved in the situation. But 75 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: you know what, everybody, everybody's not an ex spurt until 76 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: they are, do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, 77 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: she's hit not hitting on all cylinders today, so she 78 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: says anything, just go with it. And I know what 79 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: you mean though, right, like we were experts because we've 80 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: lived through it. Yeah, like your's everybody's not an expert 81 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: until they become an expert. I kind of there's this 82 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: I love TikTok like I love it and I find 83 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 1: that there's so much information but almost two a like 84 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: a point where I take something in and I hear 85 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: it and I feel so insightful, and then I'm like, 86 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: I should probably see if there's any information to back up, 87 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: because he sounded very educated in what they were saying, 88 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: and it made me feel like it was the truth. 89 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: But like I guess, any intelligent person could get on 90 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: and just make something up and make a video and 91 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: it goes viral. You know, like, here's five facts you 92 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: didn't know about this because they could be completely made up, 93 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: and you're like, yes, I see all those with weight loss. 94 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: It's like drink and this before bed and you're gonna 95 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: lose five pounds because this. Then I'm like, okay, yeah, 96 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: I do think talking to me really helpful for like 97 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: specific things, but I do think, like the general, anybody 98 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: can say anything it can be harmful to you. I 99 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: was listening, So when I was listening to the podcast, 100 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: y'all were kind of it was kind of um learning 101 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: things about yourselves and each other and talking about like 102 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: just different things you've learned, I guess in your life 103 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: in recent years. And one of the things you were 104 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: talking about I can't remember what specific question was, but 105 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: you said you had just moved in with your boyfriend, 106 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: and I think you were talking about I don't know 107 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: what the specific question was or what you learned from it, 108 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: but the adjustment of moving in together. So I was curious, 109 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: like how long have you all been together and like 110 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: the process of moving in together? Because I love that conversation. Yeah, 111 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: do you guys live with your partners? No, So I 112 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: have a girlfriend. We've been together for four years, and um, 113 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: but we we stay together every night. We just each 114 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: have our own place. Yeah, that's where we were at 115 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: where it's like, Okay, we've been together for three and 116 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: a half years now, and we were like, okay, every 117 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 1: night we're at one of each other's houses, Like it's 118 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 1: just it's time, you know. And I was really nervous 119 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: for it because I'm a little bit of a clean freak. 120 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: I just like like my things where I like my things, 121 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: I do things in a certain way, and so I 122 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 1: was really nervous. But we had to sit down conversation, 123 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: Like we both sat down on the table. We were like, 124 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: what are the expectations, what are you know, the chores 125 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: we're going to be doing? When can you do them? 126 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: What does it fit into your life? And I feel 127 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 1: like that was really our key to successes that we 128 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: set these expectations. But I've realized that it's not I 129 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: don't want to over generalize, but men are not taught 130 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 1: things that women are taught, like how to clean things 131 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 1: in a certain way of like you know, you have 132 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: to like change out your hand towel like every couple 133 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: of days. He's like, oh, I didn't know that. I 134 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: didn't know that. I'm like, yeah, so he's also learning 135 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: a lot. I feel like those are just the things 136 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: that when you move in with someone too and you're 137 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:20,679 Speaker 1: like sharing everything because I I'm not I'm a freak 138 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: of like hygienically being clean, but I can. I'm like 139 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: fine with messiness, but I just have my place organized 140 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: like professionally atement. I'm like my girlfriend's like, I can't 141 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: work in the mess, and I'm like it, I would 142 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: feel better if it was clean, but I can work 143 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: in mess. But I had someone come and like professionally 144 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: organized it. So now I'm like the extreme where like 145 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: if she leaves her clothes on a chair or something 146 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: that's not in a bedroom, I'm like what are these? 147 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: Like are you what are you doing with these? And 148 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: she's like I'm just I'm wearing them tomorrow. So I 149 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,559 Speaker 1: just set them out and I'm like, okay, that's fine. 150 00:07:55,600 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: Can we put them somewhere outside of the main area. Yeah, 151 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's all compromised. I've learned, and like 152 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: he came into my space too, so it was like 153 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: I had to just let go of some things, like 154 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: like you can't see out here, but there's a ginormous 155 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: surfboard that he doesn't. But you know, let me tell 156 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: you my boyfriend had a surfboard in his bedroom me, Like, 157 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: I just got that out of there like recently, and 158 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: it was like it was not even a surfboard. It 159 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: was like in a case, like it was like a 160 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: carrying case, and it didn't look cool. It wasn't like 161 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: on the wall. It was just like up on the thing. 162 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: And I don't think he's surved since we've started dating, 163 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: which has been almost three years now. So I and 164 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: my and it kind of encroached in my area of 165 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: the room, like this is where I put my stuff 166 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 1: and it's dusty, and so it took me a long 167 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: time to get it out. I finally got it in 168 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: the garage. I did not know. I can totally plan 169 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: is that I'm going to slowly move it further and further. 170 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 1: Right now it's on the balcony, and then maybe you 171 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: should go on the raj and it's just gonna go 172 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: further because yeah, I mean, I think he likes the 173 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: idea of having it because then maybe one day he 174 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: could surf here. But he's never served to day in 175 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: the three years that we've been. It's so funny because 176 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: he does not care about like if I ask for 177 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: more space in the closet, he will literally like throw 178 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: his clothes on the ground and he gives me like 179 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: whatever if I ask for more dresser drawers, like I 180 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: basically have the entire dresser now half of the closet. 181 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: Does not care. But the surfboard, it was like I 182 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: wanted to take away his like Teddy Bear or something, 183 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 1: And I was like, why are you so attached to 184 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: the surfboard that I've never seen you use this emotional 185 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: support something. My boyfriend's also six five, so it's a 186 00:09:40,760 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: massive surfboard. It's not it's huge five nice. So I 187 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: read this UM interview that you did where you were 188 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: talking about change. So your dad is a famous actor, singer, 189 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: just stay or just general UM Jamie Fox and you 190 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: a ton of interview talking about like considering changing your name, 191 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: Like while you were wanting to get into the industry, 192 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: do have you kind of let go of that or 193 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: do you still feel that sense of you You basically 194 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: said you didn't want to feel like you were riding 195 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: the coattails of his success, and I was I wanted 196 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: to hear more about that, because I get the impression 197 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 1: when you are the daughter of our family member, friend 198 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: of someone at that level of success, you're kind of 199 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't. 200 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 1: A little bit. Yeah, I had a lot of pressure 201 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: growing up to enter the industry, especially when I was 202 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 1: graduating high school. A lot of people were like, just 203 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: go straight into acting. You could be, you know, making 204 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: millions of dollars, blah blah blah. And my like rebellion 205 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: was like I'm going to college and everyone was like no, 206 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 1: which is a weird way to rebel, but I really 207 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: wanted to if I was going to enter the industry. 208 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 1: I wanted to do it because I loved it, and 209 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: I wanted to do it because I couldn't go a 210 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 1: day without it. And so I went to college and 211 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: when I was entering college. That's when I was considering 212 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: entering with my mom's last name, just because I wanted 213 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: to be given a fair shot, or you know, I 214 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: feel like I was really insecure about it. But I 215 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: was never sure if people wanted to be friends with 216 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: me because they wanted a premier ticket because cert tickets. 217 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: I was just really insecure about that, and I wanted 218 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: to feel like people wanted to be friends with me 219 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: because they liked me. Um. And so I said that quote, 220 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: and of course it's like this headline on it, Like 221 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: I don't wanted to seem like I'm rejecting my dad 222 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 1: in any way. Um. But I think over time, now 223 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: that I am in the in the industry and I'm 224 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: an actor, I've learned to embrace my dad's last name, 225 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: and I've learned that yesterday is going to open doors 226 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: for me, of course, but it's my job to show 227 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: up fully, be prepared and do the work, and that's 228 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: all I can do and create more opportunities for other people. 229 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: So that's how I've turned it. But it was definitely 230 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: a journey of getting there and being proud of it 231 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: and being able to be like, yes, this is my dad, 232 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: this is what he does, and I own that. It 233 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: is interesting though that you were saying like you wanted 234 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: to rebel, because I feel like it's like that no 235 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: matter who your parents are, do you know what I mean? 236 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: Like if you're like, it's like, you know, my parents 237 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: always wanted me to do something. I mean, the entertainment 238 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: industry was so such a foreign concept to them, you 239 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: know what I mean. They're from Serbia, so it was 240 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: like go to medical school or be a lawyer, you know, 241 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: just that type of um expectation. And so when I 242 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: was like, I want to work in radio and music, 243 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 1: I think it was and I'm just like, what is this? 244 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: You know, like and I think that was maybe my 245 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: way of rebelling. But it's funny when like you are, 246 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: because I think for so many people in the entertainment industry, 247 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: all you need is like a little door to be 248 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: open and you can you know what I mean, Like 249 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: all you need is that, and but it's funny when 250 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: you have a little bit of a door, you feel 251 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: like you don't want to use it because you don't 252 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: want anybody to think a certain thing or whatever. Um, 253 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: It's just so interesting to me. Yeah, it's like yeah, exactly, 254 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: You're damned if you do any damned if you don't. 255 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: It's like you might as well take the opportunity. And 256 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: then I just feel like a responsibility to pass along 257 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: my opportunities and to bring people up with me, which 258 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: is what I've watched my dad do his entire career, 259 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: Like his core group of friends are the same comedians 260 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: that he grew up with when he was in his twenties, 261 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: and like, yes, his friends with Lunar DiCaprio and all 262 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: the other people, but like his day to day friends 263 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: are like his close friends who he hires on all 264 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 1: of his shows and all his movies and um so 265 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: it's like you can take the opportun anything. You can 266 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: also like uplift people with you, you know what I mean? 267 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: I love that. And I went on the podcast I 268 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 1: was listening to. You were talking about how it's really 269 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: important for you. I think you specifically use like being humanitarian, 270 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: and then Natalie basically like backed you up and was like, no, 271 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: she's not just saying it, Like she cares about other 272 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: people and like helping other people. And I think I 273 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: think acknowledging that you have have a door that maybe 274 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: a little bit wider open than maybe some other people 275 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: have the opportunity, but then saying like, Okay, I'm gonna 276 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: use this and do what I want to do and 277 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: also use it to help other people, and like almost 278 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: like work my ass off to like make sure I 279 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: take advantage of this open door is really cool and 280 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: I feel like you listening to you now and on 281 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: your podcast, I was like, this is cool to hear 282 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: someone who you're very um, self aware and humble in 283 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: your situation that a lot of people might just take 284 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: advantage of and live their life and not think of 285 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: anybody else. Yeah. No, I appreciate you saying that. And 286 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: that's when I really started. Um, I'm an ambassador for 287 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: the National Alliance on Mental Illness. I'm a mental health advocate, 288 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: and I started working with them in and they had 289 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: reached out to me and they were like, hey, like, um, 290 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: we just do a post for Mental Health Awareness Month 291 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: and I was like, yes, but also I struggle with 292 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: anxiety and I would love to work with you guys 293 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: in a bigger way. And I just feel like I've 294 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: been given this platform that I didn't really ask for, 295 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: and so I might as well take that platform and 296 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: use it to guide people to resources, guide people to 297 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: things that are going to actually help them and enrich 298 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: their lives. And so I've been working with them since 299 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: UM and they've just passed this really really cool UM 300 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: initiative that they've been working on for a long time, 301 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: which is the nine eight number. Have you heard about it? 302 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: And I just saw this. This just happened like this 303 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: happened like I think yesterday. UM. But instead of calling 304 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: nine one one when someone's having a mental health emergency, 305 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: you would call nine eight eight. It's nationwide number, and 306 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: it gets them mental health services because a lot of 307 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: the time when you call nine one one for someone 308 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: who's having a mental health crisis, they end up in jail, 309 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: they end up hert because the police aren't really capable 310 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: of handling that type of situation. So anyways, I'm just 311 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: gonna put that on blast while I'm on the podcast 312 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: because it's so cool. This might be a loaded question, 313 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: but for you, I don't know, and if you've worked 314 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: through it, But where do you feel like your anxiety 315 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: stems from the most? Is it like living too much 316 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: in the future. Yeah, yeah, definitely living living too much 317 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: in the future. I think also growing up the way 318 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: that I did. I felt like a lot of people 319 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: were looking at me, like actually in school, just watching me, 320 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: and I felt the need to be perfect. So I 321 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: struggle a lot with perfectionism. And I work on a 322 00:16:55,440 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: therapy love therapy UM and so I think that calls 323 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: his anxiety when you feel like you don't have the 324 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: grace to be a human and you don't have the 325 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: grace to mess up. UM. That can you know, keep 326 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: you up at night? When how old were you when 327 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: you had that realization, like the awareness of what people 328 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: watching you in that capacity? UM? When I was fourteen, 329 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: That's when I was diagnosed with an anxiety disorder. That's 330 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: when I came to my mom and I was like, hey, 331 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 1: I'm not feeling well. We got to do something. And 332 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: then I started seeing my therapist who was my same 333 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: therapist I have today and I'm twenty eight, so I've 334 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 1: almost been with her longer than I've been without her, 335 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: which is very scary. I love that. UM. You were 336 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: talking about how you've had to let go of UM 337 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: or you were saying you couldn't watch TV shows where 338 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: there were roles that you auditioned for and didn't get. 339 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: And I feel like that's a very I mean, I 340 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: I wonder if I would be the same way if 341 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: I was in your position of like really wanting something 342 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: and like envisioning it and manifesting it and then not 343 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 1: getting it and watching it have success. Um. But you 344 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: said you were really working on letting that go. Like 345 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 1: how where do you stand on that topic? Well, that 346 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: was something I worked on honestly in therapy. Okay, Um. 347 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,719 Speaker 1: I feel like being an actor. I mean, part of 348 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: the job is like pouring her everything into an audition 349 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: into three minutes five minutes. You have to convince someone 350 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,959 Speaker 1: and you really do love this piece of material or 351 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: this character, and then you don't get it, and there's 352 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 1: obviously disappointment and rejection all these things, and then you 353 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 1: have to watch someone else to do it. And I 354 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: used to have this like pit in my stomach jealousy, 355 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: and I realized that that's just not serving me. I also, 356 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: once I started producing, I realized there's so many rules, 357 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,959 Speaker 1: there's so much there's there's so many TV shows, like 358 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: there's enough for everyone to win and enough for everyone 359 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: to succeed and be successful and so um. But it 360 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 1: was a process I to be aware of it for 361 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. When you don't address it, 362 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: it comes out in other ways the actor's life. If 363 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 1: you don't if you don't have to be an actor, 364 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: don't do it the worst job in the world. The 365 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 1: rejection would really like it would really be hard for 366 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: me because I feel like you get rejected more than 367 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: you get accepted. Yeah, I mean, you go out on 368 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: fifty auditions, you get one, yet to you have to 369 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: think about all the other ones you don't get. And 370 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: also I had to learn to just attach less, you 371 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: know what I mean, like give it all on the 372 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: floor and then walk away and that's what it is. Um. 373 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: So that was part of their journey as well. Yeah, 374 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: you mentioned Zendaia was that for Euphoria? For Euphoria like 375 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: a million years ago when it first came out, I 376 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: was like, I don't know if I want to watch this, 377 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: Like I auditioned for that, and I'm so glad I 378 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: did because one, there's no way I could have done 379 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: it better than Sundia. I'm so happy for her. But 380 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: again it was that same feeling of like, oh, that's 381 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: something that I wanted, but you can also be happy 382 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: for somebody realized like she's so the right choice, I 383 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: mean beyond the right choice, you know what I mean. Well, 384 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: I also I was talking about this with a friend 385 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: the other day and she was saying how hard how 386 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: she's like in the social media like influencer space, and 387 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: she was saying how it's so hard to watch other 388 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: people get the opportunities that you really want or feel 389 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: like you deserve, in the sense of like questioning why 390 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: did she get that not me? And I was saying, like, 391 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: it's a very human thing to want something, like to 392 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: see an opportunity and say like I wish I had that, Like, 393 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: I don't think it's fair to be like so hard 394 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 1: and critical in ourselves, but I do think there has 395 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: to be that moment where you go, Okay, I didn't 396 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: get it. She got it, and I would love to 397 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: have that opportunity one day. And in the meantime, I'm 398 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: going to be happy for her success and what she 399 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,479 Speaker 1: was able to do with this, instead of it just 400 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 1: being like the Compare Send game over and over in 401 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: your head, because that doesn't really lead to anything positive. Yeah. No, 402 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: I I just say that unless you like live and 403 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: die for acting, it's the worst. It's the worst profession. 404 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: There's no stability. There's no like there's nothing about it 405 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: that is uh appealing. Nless, you're absolutely crazy. And I 406 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: also get like emotionally attached to things, like I've been 407 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 1: in the same job for literally twelve years now, and 408 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: like I can imagine, um, people that are on these 409 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: sets of TV shows. I mean what it's like really 410 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: good if you last five six seasons, I mean, yeah, 411 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: that's not that long of your life, and then you 412 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: just have to say goodbye all these people that you've 413 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 1: built these relationships with, Like that's just like I'm just 414 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 1: I clearly have issues. I couldn't know you're You're a 415 00:21:49,359 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 1: normal human. When you started the podcast, was was it 416 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: instantly like I'm going to do this with my best friend? 417 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: Has there been any more because we're best friends? Like 418 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 1: we started the podcast as best friends. It wasn't like 419 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: we got paired together. Um. And so normally podcast especially 420 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: with two females, there's normally like they're kind of either 421 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 1: like put together because there someone thinks they'd have good chemistry, 422 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: or it's rare that there's like two best friends starting podcasts. 423 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: So have you all run into any issues where there's 424 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 1: like any um complications in that dynamic. I'm so lucky 425 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: to be able to say no, I feel like me 426 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,360 Speaker 1: and my best friend we've known each other since we 427 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: were thirteen. We went to summer camp together. How long 428 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: have you guys known each other? Um, two thousand sixteen, 429 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: so six years years. Yeah, that's only six years ago. 430 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: I know, I know. Literally you trying to do the 431 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: math was quite sad. Yeah, I was like, well what, Um, 432 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 1: so I feel like my best friend and now we've 433 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: known each other since we were in summer camp, so 434 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: I feel like we really knew each other. Um. There 435 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: were like a little bit a few things in the 436 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: beginning where I'd be like, hey, like I think you're 437 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: talking over me or I think you know, and she's like, 438 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, thank you for telling me that. You know. 439 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: Maybe that, But beyond I mean, very small things, I 440 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: feel like, it's amazing to work with your best friend, right, Yeah, 441 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: we love it. I mean it's there's I don't know 442 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: anything like work wise that we've navigated, but like you know, 443 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: sometimes if we go through something personally, we'll just talk 444 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: about it on here and resolve it or resolve it 445 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: and then talk about it is probably the smartest way 446 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 1: to do it, um. But I was listening when y'all 447 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: did the podcast. She was saying how one of the 448 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: things she's working on is UM navigating her self worth. 449 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: And I loved you immediately timed, and You're like, I 450 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: don't think that of you, Like I don't think that you. UM. 451 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 1: It was something about her lacking confidence, and you're like, 452 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,239 Speaker 1: I don't see you that way. And I was like, 453 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: that was so sweet, how you like immediately as her 454 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: friend stepped in and we're like, you know, that's not 455 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: how I like. That's not how people view you. I know. 456 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: I think what I also said to her is like, 457 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: and I have an on a sticky note literally right here, UM, 458 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: see yourself through the eyes of someone who admires you, 459 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: because I think you constantly have to remember, Like my 460 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 1: mom says that to me all the time. She's like, 461 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 1: you have to see like you have to look at 462 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 1: yourself as someone who loves you and someone who's like 463 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: so impressed by all the things you do because you 464 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: do it so automatically. Like she's a jewelry that my 465 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: best friend Natalie, she's a jewelry designer. She designs candles 466 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: and fragrances and I'm like, I could never do what 467 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,439 Speaker 1: you do, but it's so automatic to her that she's like, 468 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is incredible. And so I keep 469 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: it on a sticky note that that quote just because 470 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 1: I have to remember it myself. Actually it is interesting 471 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: because I feel like, um, I love sharing stuff like that, 472 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: Like just like little quotes or things that really kind 473 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: of resonate with you. Is there any piece of advice 474 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 1: or anything that you've really that you've learned or somebody 475 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: said to you in your career that just like really 476 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: kind of change your perspective on things? Mm hmmm. I 477 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: would say obviously, I've watched my dad a lot and 478 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: the way he has navigated his career, and I think 479 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: he did a really good job raising me. And the 480 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: fact that he kept Hollywood quote unquote this separate thing. 481 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: It was not our lives. We lived like out in 482 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 1: the valley, far away. I had a normal life. I 483 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 1: worked at Victoria's Secret growing up, Like I just that 484 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: was something else. And I think in terms of specifically 485 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: my career, but also for people listening who aren't and 486 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: you know, just work a normal job, that's one thing 487 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: in your life is something else, And like to not 488 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: put all of my self worth, all of my hopes 489 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: and dreams into this industry that I can't control, that 490 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 1: I can't um you know that is you know, has 491 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: its ups and downs. And so to have my circle 492 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: really close into nurture that my friends, my families, my relationships, 493 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: things like that, like, that's really what's important. Yeah, So 494 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 1: what's one of your favorite projects you've worked on, like 495 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: in in everything that you're doing, because I feel like 496 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: you do a lot outside of acting and podcasting. What's 497 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: what's your like, what's something that you've accomplished where you're like, 498 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: I'm so proud of that piece of work that I 499 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: that I did. Um gosh, there's so many our different 500 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: avenues of what that means. Um. I would say one 501 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: of my proudest moments is when I lobbied Congress for 502 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: mental health reform with Nami. But then also I did 503 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: this live special um of Good Times where I played 504 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 1: Thelma Evans and Viola Davis played my mother, and it 505 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: was just like this incredible rush because it was this 506 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: live thing that was broadcasted to millions of people. And 507 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: I will say I was very proud of that. I 508 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: was so terrified. I can't even explain it. And it 509 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,199 Speaker 1: was just like, I love overcoming a fear. It's like 510 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: my favorite thing. Do you like the process of overcoming 511 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 1: it or do you like the feeling after you've overcome it. 512 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: I think the process is so interesting because you have 513 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: to really like there's a lot of self talk in there. 514 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: There's a lot of like you VERSU you, you know, 515 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: And I don't know. I think I've always because I 516 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: have an anxiety disorder, I had a lot more fears 517 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 1: than the average person, and so I had to do 518 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 1: a lot of self talk, and I kind of like 519 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,239 Speaker 1: that process. I think I love overcoming it, but I 520 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: don't know that I could say I love that like 521 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: the process of going crazy. Yeah, I can't tell you 522 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: one fear that I've faced. No, you can't. No, I 523 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 1: can't like posting the Oscars red carpet. You didn't have 524 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: fear in that? Well, that's not fear, that's imposter syndrome. 525 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: That's kind of the same thing. Yeah, all right, yeah, 526 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: look at me. You were scared of like flying, Like 527 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: I was scared of flying for a long time, like 528 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: an airplane, Like scared are you do you still? I 529 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: have so many friends who were scared to fly so 530 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 1: and it was really scared, to the point where one 531 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: time I was on a plane and the airline the 532 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 1: strewdest came back. I was like, is there like a 533 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: dog somewhere like I hear? And I was like no, 534 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: it was me like yipping like and they thought there 535 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: was an animal on the plane. I was like, that 536 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: would be like, no animal out of now I'm all good. 537 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: So you're fine, you fly now, and you're just calm, 538 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: completely calm. Therapy is the best. I love. That's powerful. 539 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: Uh review for therapy to like that shift, because my 540 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: friends who were scared of flying, it's it's deep, like 541 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,479 Speaker 1: although it sounds like yours was also really deep. So 542 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: maybe I need to encourage them to really tap into 543 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: their therapy side of this to overcome it. Um So, 544 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: how did you meet your boyfriend? UM? I met my boyfriend. 545 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: I met him at college. I went to USC but 546 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: um I was in this very long term relationship. We 547 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: broke up and I realized I had never really dated um. 548 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: And so what I did was this thing called five 549 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: Dates and Five Days, where I set up five dates 550 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: from Thursday to a Tuesday with five different guys. I 551 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: had a no kiss rule. So I was like, I 552 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: can't kiss five guys. Like that's crazy, I'm not the bachelor. 553 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. So like I'll go on all these dates 554 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: and I'll just like get my feet wet because I'm 555 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: just so nervous and I've never really done it at whatever. 556 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: My last date was my boyfriend and I called Natalie, 557 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: my best friend. I went, we have a problem. The 558 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: whole experiments ruined. I met the right guy and blah 559 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,479 Speaker 1: blah blah. And I told my boyfriend this story because 560 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: when he was walking me to my car, he was 561 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: like kind of going in for a kiss, and I 562 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: was getting really nervous and I got in my car 563 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: and slammed the door, and he thought, oh, okay, I 564 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: guess it didn't go well. But then I told him 565 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: I had a no kiss rule, and he was like, 566 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: it makes so much more sense because he were being 567 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: so weird. He was like everything was fine until literally 568 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: the last tense second second where he's like going in. 569 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: I'm like okay, bne slammed my car door and drive 570 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: away and he's like, Okay, I guess it didn't go well. 571 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,239 Speaker 1: I like that. I like that rule too. Did you 572 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: were the first four dates like immediate knows or did 573 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: you have some like you know? There were two were 574 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: immediate knows, two were like one was like insane and 575 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: like it was a bad situation. But the other three 576 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: were okay except for the other two were okay except 577 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: for my boyfriend, which was like exceptional. And then I 578 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,959 Speaker 1: saw them a couple more times maybe, and then I 579 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: was just like, no, it's it's him. I didn't want 580 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: to find a boyfriend. I was like, no, I just 581 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: had like a long term relationship. I don't want this. 582 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: I love that I was. I was gonna say, if 583 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: you're listening to this podcast, wait for a date where 584 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: you say it was exceptional. That was such a like 585 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: simple but telling. I know, but the fact that it 586 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: happened after your fifth date is so funny because I 587 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: feel like I did this for a year. I was like, 588 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I can recalled it something the year of 589 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: no no relation. No that they was like the year 590 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: of no relationships, like because I felt like I was 591 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: going on dates and I was just interviewing people and 592 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: I wasn't like enjoying my time dating. So I was like, 593 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna take it off the table. No relationships, 594 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: just pure fun and it was not fun. I did 595 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: some homdingers, like going to say and then I found 596 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: my boyfriend and then I know he came way later. 597 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: He came way later. Did Were these just random I 598 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: just dropped him right there when I needed it? Were 599 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: they just random guys? Or were you on an app? 600 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: Or I met my boyfriend in college but we had 601 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: never really connected, so I knew I kind of knew him. 602 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: One guy had been pursuing me forever and I was like, fine, 603 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: I'll go on a date with you, and then the 604 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: other three were just from rye or whatever. They were 605 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: just random guys. I was going to say, that's a 606 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: fun way of looking at dating, where it's like I'm 607 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: just gonna date in enjoy being well hopefully courted. I guess, 608 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: you know, like have men just take you on a 609 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,959 Speaker 1: date pay for a nice Yeah? I don't know. I 610 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: think I've seen my single friends really get in their 611 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: head about dating, and I was really in my head 612 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: about it. So I was like, if I have five 613 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: in a row, like by date three, I should start 614 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: feeling good. And I'm glad I saved my boyfriend for 615 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: the last day because I think if I went the 616 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 1: first day with him, I would have been so socially awkward. 617 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: He would have been like, what is wrong with this girl? 618 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: So I got which is practice? You're like a professional 619 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: dater by the time you got to y'all's date. Yeah exactly, 620 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: I love that. Um Okay, where can people find you 621 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: on Instagram? TikTok? What projects are you working on? Look 622 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: at my TikTok. It's a disaster. I don't know what 623 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: I'm doing. None of my fourteen year old sister is 624 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: helping me. It's terrible. Um. You know you can follow 625 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: me at Karen Box on Instagram, Um TikTok if you want, 626 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: but I warned you. But my podcast name is am 627 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: I Doing This Right, and you can follow us at 628 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: am I Doing This Right pod um on Instagram. We 629 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: also have TikTok to perfect and then also beach Shazam. 630 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, beat chasn Airs. Thank you for telling me 631 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: the TV show Beach Chasam Air's Monday's uh nine tenth 632 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: Central and Box there you go. Thank you for taking 633 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: time and hanging out. And everyone go follow Karen on 634 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: TikTok and don't don't on my TikTok. TikTok's just just 635 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: finding our way. We're all just finding our way there. 636 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: It's really hard and I really don't know what I'm doing. 637 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,959 Speaker 1: It's been to scroll hard to create. Yeah, exactly, Thank 638 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: you both. You're so thank you. Bye Bye, get rid 639 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:16,800 Speaker 1: of that surfboard.