WEBVTT - What is a shotgun house? 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:02.880 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:07.400 It's ready. Are you welcome to you Stuff you Should 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:16.400 Know from House Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, welcome to 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:19.919 the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:24.480 with me as always, Um, which makes this stuff you 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:30.840 should know? The stuff you should Yeah, that's what thinks 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:34.440 on it. Nice Joff, Thank you. Um, what are you doing? 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:36.519 I'm doing great. I feel like we just do this. 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:39.760 I'm looking forward to the show, are you Yeah? Because 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:42.680 it touches on parts of Atlanta in their in its history, 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:45.440 which I always loved, and that's this Atlanta man all 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:49.920 over the States, all over the States, Chuck as Uh, 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:54.760 the immortal David Byrne put it, you may find yourself 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:58.680 living in a shotgun check, and you may find yourself 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:01.760 in another part of the world. Mm hmm. I think 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:06.160 even David Byrne didn't realize what he was saying when 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:09.080 he put those two lines together. I think he meant 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:13.679 them to contrast with one another. But really, if you 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:17.120 found yourself in a shotgun check and say the beginning 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:23.840 of the nineteenth century, you probably were experiencing both. Yeah, yeah, 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:26.679 but he doesn't tip so now he doesn't care what 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:31.520 he said. That's crazy. Um So Chuck. You remember Hurricane Katrina, 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:37.480 Um I killed I believe people. There is a lot 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:41.280 of people. Um. And one of the things in addition 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:43.200 to all the loss of life and property was a 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:49.480 real worry about loss of very um specific type of architecture, 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:53.040 the shotgun house. And the reason even though you can 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:56.040 find it everywhere from Key West to Chicago to San Francisco, 0:01:56.640 --> 0:02:01.160 all over the place. You can find shotgun houses Atlanta, UM. 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:03.240 The reason why people were worried about losing it in 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:06.280 New Orleans because as far as the United States goes, 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:10.080 that is where it was born. That's right. And the 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:13.160 whole reason anybody would even worry about a shotgun house, 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:16.119 if you've ever seen one, you might think, why would 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:19.880 anyone care about losing old chalk gun houses is because 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:25.359 they are routinely cited as the great possibly greatest contribution 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:32.240 by African Americans to American specific architecture and design, and 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:37.320 not only that, responsible for the bringing together, in many 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:42.680 ways of the African American communities due to their things 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:43.959 that we're going to talk about, I was going to 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:46.600 ruin it. I thank you for saving it. That was 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:51.680 good man. Um, you've surely seen a shotgun house. Yeah, 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:54.880 let's talk about some of the features people. We should. Yeah, 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:57.639 because there's probably plenty of people out there and people 0:02:57.680 --> 0:02:59.519 who have seen them and don't know what we're talking about. 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:02.880 You're about to go. Oh, if you haven't seen him, 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:05.880 then go onto how stuff works dot com and type 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:08.280 in what's the shotgun house and you will find some 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:10.960 images of shotgun houses in this article that I wrote. 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:13.160 That's true. You wrote this years and years ago. I 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:16.960 don't think I knew that. Nice job. Shotgun house is 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:20.120 long and narrow. A lot of times they won't have 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:22.920 windows on the side of the house, although in researching 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:27.760 this I saw plenty that do so that sometimes they don't. Yes, 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:31.720 And the reason why it's because they're often really close together, 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:34.960 like I mean, like a foot a couple of feet 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:39.280 you can maybe walk without turning between two houses. But 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:43.400 that's it exactly. Um. They well you just said they 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:46.640 were close to one another. Um, they have high ceilings. 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:50.360 They very few of them had indoor plumbing at first. 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:54.960 That was usually brought on later, um and tacked onto 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:58.760 the rear of the house. Sometimes crudely. Uh. Typically what 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:02.600 you have is living room, bedroom, bedroom, kitchen, all in 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:05.920 a row, all in a straight line, all the doors 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:09.000 lining up, interior doors lining up right. So when the 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:11.280 front and back doors open, you can see clear through 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:13.920 the house, which is one of the reasons why a 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:16.479 lot of people think it got its name. You could 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:19.480 shoot a gun or a shotgun through the front door 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:22.240 and it would exit out the back door without hitting 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:24.599 a single wall, and that would hit the house behind 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:29.760 it or some in And like you point out, Josh, 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:32.119 it's a cute story, and it's all over the place. 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:33.919 I bet you there are many many tours of New 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:37.160 Orleans that'd say that story is true. May or may 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:42.120 not be. It probably isn't. Um. What else is? What 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:46.840 else is specific about shotgun houses? Chuck? Uh? They aside 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:53.160 from being a modest homes, they have certain architectural flourishes 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:57.359 that make them distinctive. Um. I think the idea was 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:00.359 kind of like, you know, we may be or and 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:03.120 not have the biggest house, but we can certainly adorn 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:09.320 the the vent venting greats and what the the arbor 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:11.880 that held up the not the arbor brackets, brackets held 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:15.240 up the roof they would be intricately carved, usually in 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:18.520 a gingerbread design, um, which a lot of people kind 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:23.560 of criticize her pooh pooed that addition, um as uh 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:28.880 poor blacks or even before that slave's just trying to 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:32.440 emulate whites um, which is not the case because if 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:36.000 you trace so, the shotgun house finds its origins in 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:38.360 the US and New Orleans, but if you go even 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:41.920 further back, you'll find older ones on Haiti, and then 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:44.640 even further back you will find something that looks started 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:50.120 startlingly similar. Um. In West Africa and in the Yoruba tongue, 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:55.000 these houses are called to gun, which means house in Yoruba, 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:58.960 or showgun, which means God's house. So probably that's where 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:01.600 the name comes from. By ways, to gun or showgun 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:05.120 from the Oruba dialect, right, which I love. UM. But 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:08.120 in these houses they also had like intricate details, but 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:10.920 they were more of an African motif. Over time here 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:15.760 in the United States they adopted gingerbreadin or Um Victorian. Yeah, 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:18.960 different kinds of carvings, but it is very cool. It's 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:21.880 kind of like this is a very modest, straightforward house, 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:26.479 but there's also pretty neat little details we can still 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:29.960 have like great pride in it. Um. They were usually 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:31.760 New Orleans. They were typically if you feed off the 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:37.279 ground because of the obvious flooding problems there. Um. And 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:41.200 this I found and it seems believable to me, but 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.320 I didn't have time to triple check it um. At 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:48.120 the time, property taxes were based on frontage still are man, 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:51.799 are they in New Orleans? If you have a house, 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:56.120 you're paying by them. The frontage, which is the width 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:58.600 of your house. Yes, and if you are looking at 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:01.960 a shotgun house is very nar but it's long, right um. 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:05.400 And the number of rooms and in New Orleans, I 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:07.280 thought they changed it to the number of rooms. They 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:10.200 added that on. Yeah, it's both okay uh. And in 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:15.440 New Orleans rooms include hallways and closets and you're not 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:17.520 going to find a hallway or a closet in a 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:21.640 shotgun house. So it's also another way to um, I 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:24.960 guess keep your property taxes low as well well. And 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:27.920 I found that they originally it was just frontage, and 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:31.120 then so they started building the camelbacks, which is a 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:33.960 shotgun house with the second story on the rear of 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:37.480 the house only. And then that's when the city said, oh, well, 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:40.760 we should tack rooms onto this as well, because these 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.440 smart people have found a way around paying, as you know, 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:47.200 property tax. Pretty smart. Yeah, it does, it makes it 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:49.480 makes sense. And I also found that the first mentioned 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:53.880 in print calling them shotgun houses was in our very 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:57.600 own Atlanta Journal Constitution in nineteen o three, a classified 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:00.440 ad may have been the first time that it was 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:04.200 actually named that in print, and it was like shotgun 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:08.240 house twelve dollars a month rent. Yeah, twelve bucks. That's 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:10.320 not too bad. But you could get a shotgun house 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:13.760 about that time a kit for a hundred bucks. Um. 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:15.520 They also allowed for good air flow too, I want 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:18.000 to mention, yeah, because you can open up the front 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:19.800 and back doors and you got a straight shot. Well, 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:22.200 that's one of the reasons why they were adopted in Haiti. 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:25.000 Not everybody in Haiti was from West Africa, but that 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:29.720 became the predominant style, this West African design house, because 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:33.439 it fit in really well with the tropics, all right. 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:35.360 So well, it made its way from Haitia to New 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:40.240 Orleans because of the well in indirectly because of the 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:45.360 French Revolution. Right, So French Revolution takes place and you've 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:51.760 got um, liberty, legality, fraternity to all people. That put 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:55.800 French planners in Haiti in kind of a pickle because 0:08:56.160 --> 0:09:00.559 they couldn't grant liberty to their slaves because wouldn't have 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:03.679 any profits any longer. So as they're figuring this out, 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:05.480 they're trying to figure out what to do, a guy 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:09.040 named Toussaint low Mature makes the decision for him and 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:12.520 leads a slave uprising that lasts for many years and 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:16.720 basically drives all of the white plantation owners from the 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:19.480 island of Haiti, one of the places that they went. 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:24.920 And then Haiti became the first UM recognized sovereign maroon 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:31.480 nation of freed slaves revolting slaves UM, which is pretty cool. 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:34.160 But that also led to, if you go back and 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:38.040 listen to our voodoo podcast, a deep and abiding suspicion 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:41.520 by whites of Haiti all things Haiti from that point 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:46.400 on UM. But so that this slave uprising that led 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:50.200 to the UM. The freeing of Haiti also led to 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:54.200 the white populating of New Orleans. So about that time, 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:57.040 if you went to New Orleans, there about twelve thousand people, 0:09:57.280 --> 0:09:59.440 and the third of them were slaves. The third of 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:01.439 them were white, and then a third of them were 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:05.200 free blacks, so it's it's real melting pot UM and 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:07.040 one of the place one of the things that came 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:10.520 about from that was people fleeing Haiti bringing the shotgun 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:13.280 houses with them, and then it just kind of it 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:17.439 was always African American UM and it was always associated 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:19.839 with African Americans, and it just kind of spread from 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:23.880 there to where if you if you came across the 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:27.640 working class African American neighborhood like in Chicago or something 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:30.880 like that, you're going to see shotgun houses or Atlanta, 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:35.079 like I've mentioned many times. Uh, if if you are local, 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:37.840 then you can see these kinds of houses in like 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:41.559 the Sweet Auburn district, Cabbage Down and I think Cabbage 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:44.520 Town where they were houses for factory workers for the 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:49.120 nearby cotton mill offt and uh factories. Yeah, it changed hands. UM. Also, 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.880 you're gonna find them directly across the street from Martin 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:56.560 Luther King's birthplace UM in the King Memorial area. The 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:59.240 whole park is UM. There's still people that live in 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.840 them and they been pretty well preserved over there. Yeah, 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:04.760 it's very cool, but those were like late nineteenth century built, 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:09.040 but it did kind of transition from African American only 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:13.400 to working class of all colors. The shotgun house became 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:16.480 kind of an emblem of the working class as much 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:20.360 as African Americans now. Is a is a row house 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:22.520 the same thing? Or is a row house? Just know 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:26.480 those are side by side, like touching, sometimes all forming 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:31.880 one large building, but then maybe different gables differentiating them. 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:36.080 A shotgun a shotgun house could be a rowhouse, but 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:39.040 a rowhouse can't be a shotgun house, because then row 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:42.440 house indicate like the proximity to one another more than 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:46.080 the style of the house. Or no, I think it's both, yeah, 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:49.520 And then the shotgun house is not supposed to be 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:54.040 confused with the railroad house either, which is you enter 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:56.120 and there's a long hallway from front to back. In 0:11:56.200 --> 0:12:00.319 the off of the hallway are rooms apart mints. My 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:02.080 friend Mereth in New York, in Brooklyn, lives in a 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:05.679 railroad department, which was always a little weird because like, 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:08.360 in order for like when I would stay there, I 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:10.200 would stay in the living room, and when someone had 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:11.720 to go to the bathroom, they would have to walk 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:14.920 through the living room to get to the bath It's 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:18.199 always awkward. Or she could go outside through the hallway 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:20.400 and then come back in because she had two doors 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:27.080 to her apartment. It still does. I So, Chuck, we 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:29.720 were talking about where else they spread. There's UM also 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:33.800 a lot of them in Oklahoma, especially southern Oklahoma. Yeah. 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:36.600 And one of the reasons why is because southern Oklahoma, 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:40.160 the Oklahoma Territory Um before it became a state, was 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:44.800 a free black area and a lot of blacks traveled 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:47.760 to Oklahoma to moved to Oklahoma to be free, and 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:51.959 a lot of runaway slaves maroons is what they're called, 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:57.520 formed and integrated with um Native American tribes like the Seminoles. 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:01.440 And when these five civilized tribes and making air quotes 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:07.080 like furiously um were moved to the Oklahoma Territory Um, 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:09.640 a lot of blacks went with them, and shotgun houses 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:13.120 showed up alongside. The whole thing awesome, And there's like 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:16.240 all black towns are formerly all black towns in southern 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:21.120 Oklahoma where it's like shotgun houses everywhere. Yeah. So, Chuck, 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:24.079 if you ask me, I feel like, now we've reached 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:27.320 the point where this is the fact of the show. 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:31.000 And I know you're excited about this one. Well, it's 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:33.960 cool they um. It's one of the reasons I talked 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:36.560 about why the cultural legacy of the shotgun home had 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:39.400 a lot to do with bringing together the African American 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:43.240 community is because of a little something called the front porch. Yeah, 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:46.120 they didn't exist in the United States before the shotgun 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:48.920 house brought it along. So shotgun houses are typically I 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:52.480 mean a lot of them actually were so far forward 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:54.920 that they were on the sidewalk, But the ones that 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:57.720 weren't had a few feet of grass and then a 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:01.640 front porch to hang out on. And in a small house, 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:03.360 you're going to congregate on the front porch. And in 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:06.600 the evenings, if your neighbors on our front porch five 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:09.600 ft from you and there are five feet from another one, 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:12.600 then what you have is a big, old, friendly cultural 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:16.560 block party going on every evening, and the porch is 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:21.720 made it's a spandrel I guess of the overhanging roof. 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:24.920 And then if you add the fact that in New Orleans, 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:26.800 like you said, they were built off of the ground. 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.080 Some you have to build step to go up to it, 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:31.960 and then you have just buy you have a de 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:33.960 facto porch. And then yeah, you add a bunch of 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:36.600 them together and there you go. So we didn't have porchs. 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:40.880 So like these huge wraparound porches on old like plantation 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:44.680 mansions stoops in New York, like all of this stuff 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:47.640 can be traced back to the shotgun house. Really, yeah, 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:51.680 that's crazy, And thank you for that, shotgun house builders, 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:55.120 because one of my favorite things is the front porch 0:14:55.280 --> 0:15:00.440 or porch. Good good ports. It's very important. Yeah, you know, 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:04.800 shotgun houses started to wane in the twenties, and it 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:08.560 wasn't It wasn't until fairly recently that we knew the 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:12.760 history of shotgun houses. That architects um went back and 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:16.200 and art historians went back and figured out where this 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:18.280 all came from and traced it step by step. I 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:20.880 mean it was within the last like a couple of 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:24.320 decades um. And they were like, okay, we found some 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:26.920 shotgun houses and these are really old, and they date 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:29.720 them and they'd be like, okay, New Orleans is the birthplace. 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:31.520 And then somebody be like, have you been to Port 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:33.760 of Prince Like they got some they're really really old there, 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:36.520 and then they traced them back and then somebody figured 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:39.880 out that they were from West Africa. But the new 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:43.680 construction in the United States waned in the twenties, and 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:45.720 like I said about the turn of the last century, 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:48.160 you could get a kit for about a hundred bucks, 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:51.960 which also made them really good cheap housing for labor. 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:55.160 Um if you had like a work camp, you probably 0:15:55.560 --> 0:16:00.040 shotgun house. Yeah, exactly. Um, And they were all a 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:03.360 really good for disaster release. Specifically, they made a big 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:07.240 appearance in the San Francisco earthquake of nineteen o six. Well, yeah, 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:10.760 they needed to put up displaced people. And when you 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:13.320 can build a house for a hundred bucks, then you 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:16.640 do so exactly. And when it can be pre fabricated 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:21.600 and then taking apart in like six large parts, put 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:23.960 on a train and sent somewhere and then put back 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:26.400 together within like a couple of hours, it's like a 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:30.200 waffle house. Yeah, it's exactly like a waffle house. As 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:31.520 a matter of fact, I think you can go out 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:33.360 on a limb and say, we wouldn't have the waffle 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:36.560 house without the shotgun house. I think you're right. Uh. 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:41.400 Little pop culture, Yeah, you already mentioned David Byrne uh Coogs. 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:45.360 John Mellencamp my boy Coogs. Pink Houses was about a 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:48.480 shotgun house. Apparently his legend has it. He was driving 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:52.160 on a busy main road and he saw this little 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:53.840 black guy sitting on the front porch of his little 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:56.880 pink shotgun house. Gave him, gave him a wave, and 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:58.600 he said he just looked like he was as happy 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:01.200 as could be sitting out on his porch. And uh, 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:03.400 I wrote a song about it. That's nice, and and 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:05.840 that the album that I was on too, Yeah, I 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:09.119 think so great song. Elvis Presley was born in the 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:13.480 shotgun house, Oh yeah, in uh yeah, Mississippi, which is 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:17.000 where I have family actually, And Aaron Neville grew up 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:22.760 in a shotgun house, the incomparable and muscly Man and Moley. 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:29.399 But boy man that I can sing, yeah like a bird, 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:36.960 pretty good, Aaron Neville as me. Um, shotgun houses are 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:39.600 making a resurgence too, by the way, are they building 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:42.159 them again? Yes, there's this thing called the tiny house movement. 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:44.919 Oh yeah, that and the whole idea of living modestly 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:48.600 in the house you can afford that um grants a 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:52.040 very small carbon footprint. Ye, shotgun houses fit that. Bill. 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:54.840 I like the tiny house thing. I think I think 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:57.439 actually Emily might have written an article about that. Is 0:17:57.480 --> 0:17:59.520 that right? If I'm not mistaken or maybe it was me. 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:03.639 Somebody did somebody in our family? Did I remember I 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:06.320 remember it happening? Was it Buckley a few years ago? Yeah? 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:10.040 Buckley wrote it. Um, you got anything else, no go, 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:14.520 you know, seek out local historic landmarks that might be 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:17.960 easily overlooked when you're angry in traffic. Yeah. And when 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.320 next time you pass the shotgun house, like, stop and 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:22.160 look at it, and you'll see some pretty cool little 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:24.280 details to it. Ask him to open the door so 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:26.959 you can shoot a gun through it. Let do that. 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:30.760 Don't do that, man, that was a reversal. I was like, no, 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:34.600 don't do it, Chuck said normally around Uh. And if 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:37.440 you're ever in Atlanta, Chuck and I always recommend going 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:41.959 to the King Memorial Center, the place where he's buried, 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:44.679 where the eternal flame is in all of the surrounding area. 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:48.840 Um is like a living museum. Preserved house is just awesome. 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:51.639 One of my favorite parts in Atlanta for sure. Um. So, 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:53.520 if you want to learn more about shotgun houses and 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:56.600 see pictures of shotgun houses, you can type the words 0:18:56.920 --> 0:19:00.359 shotgun house two words into the sir to bar at 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:02.399 how stuff works dot com and that'll bring up this 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:06.240 article that I wrote, and I said search bar, which 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:10.840 means it's time for a listener mail. Josh, I'm gonna 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:14.879 call this beast email. Hey, guys, did you did you 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:17.320 read this one? Um? I just listened to the Music 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:19.800 Sampling Podcast. We got a lot of good feedback on that. 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:22.639 But man, everybody loved that. It was a good and 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:25.320 a lot of people offered up like people that know 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:27.880 way more than us offered up a lot of cool insight. Yeah, 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:30.320 we get getting called out for not mentioning girl talk. 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:32.600 I've never heard girl talk, so I don't feel bad. 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:36.920 But everyone we know about girl talk. Now, Okay, guys 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:39.159 that just listened to the Music Sampling Podcast wanted to 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:41.600 say how great it was that you featured the Beastie 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:43.960 Boys so prominently in the show. But I share a 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:46.640 little story when I met them during your nineteen seven 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:49.600 Licensed Build tour in Las Vegas when I was fifteen. 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:51.680 So this girl must be my age because I saw 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:55.119 that tour and I was about to wow. All right. 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:58.040 They performed in a concert hall on the un l 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:00.320 V campus, so it was easy to get to the 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:02.480 area where their tour bus was because I lived in 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:05.400 the bleachers. They were inviting every female they saw back 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:09.440 to their hotel for a party, including fifteen year olds. 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:13.800 Well they were only like eighteen nineteen. Still, well, I know, 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:17.000 but you get to be forty and you're like, what's 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:20.200 the big difference of five years? Man, that's back then. 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:25.480 I'm just saying, it's not like they were like years older, 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:32.200 all right, I'm defending their pedophilia. Uh. By the time 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:34.120 we got there, the party had taken over the ninth 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:36.520 floor and had already been shut down. We got to 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:39.120 say hi to m c A before being escorted away 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:42.560 by security for curfew violation. But I was determined. I 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:44.679 skipped school the next day went back to the hotel, 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:47.720 basically casing the joint. I ended up finding m c A, 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:49.800 who remembered me from the night before. I said, how 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:54.600 did he said? Hi? Very nice? What you heard waiting 0:20:54.640 --> 0:20:57.280 on that one? I ended up spending the whole day 0:20:57.320 --> 0:21:00.320 with the guys, chatting, playing arcade games, while king over 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:02.600 to a seven eleven with a very hungover ad Rock, 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:05.359 and even helping load their bags onto the tour bus. 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:08.080 They were only nineteen twenty and twenty one at the time, 0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:11.800 very unassuming, so they weren't getting much attention. I felt 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:14.240 like a little sister tagging along with their super cool 0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:17.159 older brothers. That is very cool. At one point m 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:19.040 c A offered me a tour of the bus. We 0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:21.880 got on and he closed the door and said, now 0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:24.159 we cannot do all sorts of things that you're going 0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:26.639 to tell all your friends. We did anyway, he was 0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:31.600 really hysterical, so he was like he was still a gentleman, unfortunately, 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:34.879 and he's like a Buddhist now and he unfortunately I 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:36.800 had not thought to bring a camera with me, so 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:40.040 I have no picks. I did get her auto document 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:42.960 any of this happened. Now she does um. I did 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:44.919 get their autographs, but the only paper I had in 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:48.720 my jacket was old school snoopy Valentines. I had thought 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:52.439 could give up friends. I still treasured my three snoopy Valentines, 0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:55.199 each one with their autographs, and she sent pictures of them. 0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:58.760 That's cool. I stayed until they left around six at night. 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:01.360 I naively asked m c A if he would write 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:04.120 to me. He answered with an honest no, and gave 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:07.160 me a very sweet kiss on the cheek. I loved 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:09.239 it that they have continued to rise on popularity and 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:11.399 her given the respect of being true innovators in the 0:22:11.400 --> 0:22:15.480 field first year, that is Ali Smith and she got 0:22:15.520 --> 0:22:17.760 kissed on the cheek by a very sweet sounding m 0:22:17.800 --> 0:22:20.800 C And all your fifteen year olds out there, you 0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:24.240 better be at home sleeping. Yeah, don't be hanging out 0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:26.920 with twenty one year old dudes, especially not the girl 0:22:27.040 --> 0:22:31.399 talk people. Those guys are girls. I think girl talks 0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:36.119 a guy's dear clear that girl talked to um. Let's see, 0:22:36.320 --> 0:22:38.600 what do you want to call out for? Mm hmm. 0:22:39.400 --> 0:22:43.000 Do you live in a shotgun house? No? I guess yeah, 0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:45.199