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Speaker 1: First of all, Man, we appreciate you being on our show.

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Speaker 1: Been a long time coming. It just brought fast back

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Speaker 1: seeing you have to have to go through them double

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Speaker 1: But we really appreciate you being on the show, bro

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Speaker 1: and rocking with us.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, guys, thank you for having me. Man.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, When you first got to lead, who's the

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Speaker 1: first person to bust your ass?

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Speaker 3: It was definitely one of those moments. I think like

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Speaker 3: first ten or fifteen games were like very challenging for me.

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Speaker 3: My first shot at San Antonio. I remember opening game,

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Speaker 3: my first game in NBA. My first shot was airball

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Speaker 3: and I was so nervous, man, it took me a second.

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Speaker 3: But it was the one particular game we played against Portland.

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Speaker 3: Mike Donald was coach, and that's the way when the

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Speaker 3: Portland was at the big lineup, Rashid played at the

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Speaker 3: small forward and I got I got in from the

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Speaker 3: one of those moments where like they didn't even call

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Speaker 3: a play. They went like, go at this guy, straight up,

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Speaker 3: you know, turn around, shot over me. But it happened

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Speaker 3: two three times in a row, and very soon I

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Speaker 3: was on the bench. So yeah, one one of those things,

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Speaker 3: like you know, I'm sure you guys have experienced the

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Speaker 3: same thing, Like once you figure out the pace, the length,

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Speaker 3: the athleticism, I mean, everything's different in the league.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, it's definitely. The first person blest my

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Speaker 1: ass was Chris Webber. I remember playing against y'all and

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Speaker 1: all I seen was jump hook and jump hook and

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Speaker 1: jump hook, and it was like, man, I can't block it.

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Speaker 4: I can't do that. I can't get around him, I

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Speaker 4: can't front him. Just jump up.

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Speaker 2: I know, I know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 3: Jeff.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yo, yo yo.

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Speaker 5: We live on location were we hey were crossing up

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Speaker 5: international waters for this one.

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Speaker 2: Baby.

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Speaker 5: We got Serbia's finance, We got the FEBA Hall of

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Speaker 5: Fame with a three time NBA all started all n

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Speaker 5: b A, the back to back three point NBA champ,

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Speaker 5: back to back, we got missed the Paija Sto Yakovich

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Speaker 5: in the building.

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Speaker 4: We appreciate you for pulling up on us peak.

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Speaker 2: Thank you guys, thank you for having me. That's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Let's start Croatia. Who's the first person to put the

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Speaker 1: ball in your hand?

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Speaker 2: So this is interesting.

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Speaker 3: I grew up in like in this country called Yugoslavia,

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Speaker 3: multi ethnic country. I was my family and I were

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Speaker 3: Serbians living in Croatia at the time, and I actually

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Speaker 3: I have only played basketball in the middle school. Like

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Speaker 3: it's kind it was kind of recreational. And then after

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Speaker 3: me and my family we were forced to leave everything

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Speaker 3: that's what kind of everything kind of started for me.

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Speaker 3: There was one coach from Red Star basketball club. He

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Speaker 3: come and work out with us? I was fourteen years old.

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Speaker 3: I was pretty told did not have any skill. I

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Speaker 1: Did basketball help you from coming from a situation where

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Speaker 1: you kind of kind of clear it, not really cleared

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Speaker 2: It was my escape.

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Speaker 3: It helped me find something, something new, something positive in

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Speaker 3: because I grew up in a small town of twenty

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It's to this day my life is so unexpected, like

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Speaker 3: what they're dealing to you each and every day. It

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Speaker 3: and it was like a domino. Each and every day

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Speaker 3: I was getting better, and in one year, I became

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Speaker 5: That's what I was going to say. So, you went

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Speaker 4: How was that for you?

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Speaker 5: You progressed that fast in that one year which you

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Speaker 3: It was crazy, It was unreal, and we played against

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Speaker 2: Was like I felt it.

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Speaker 3: Was a relief because I was able to provide. I

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Speaker 3: there was something else. And then obviously the pressure of

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Speaker 3: it's you don't perform, there's somebody else right behind you.

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Speaker 3: And and that was something that I had to learn

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Speaker 1: Go back to when you fourteen and you move what basketball?

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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen basketball play at a high level

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes I was able.

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Speaker 3: We have a really good tradition in our own country

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Speaker 3: in Serbia and Yugoslavia. Yeah, going back like forty to

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Speaker 3: of me, it was this generation that of Vla de

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Speaker 3: so I was able to kind of look s. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that ability. It was mainly highlights, all star games, maybe finals,

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Speaker 4: It seemed like man, yo yo.

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Speaker 5: Euro League career win like super quick, Like everything happened

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Speaker 5: fast for you over there.

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Speaker 4: Talk about the Greek.

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Speaker 3: League, So Greek League at the time it happened to be.

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Speaker 2: To bring the best players.

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Speaker 3: And during the nineties Greece was in a very good

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Speaker 3: situation financially. Most of the clubs were bringing at the time,

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Speaker 3: Dominique Wilkins. I played against Dominique when I was I

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Speaker 4: You went over there, like thirty, right, he was going

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Speaker 3: Right, dominic changed again. Dominique was like that was the

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Speaker 2: They've later only have won another five or six.

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Speaker 3: But Dominique Dominick I played against Xavier McDaniels.

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Speaker 4: X manx Man.

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Speaker 3: I played against some amazing Americans that kind of prepped me.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys remember there was some

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Speaker 4: Played Louis Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough, tough.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So played against some amazing Americans and that to me,

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Speaker 6: it was I kind of like I would say, like

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Speaker 6: as I talked at the beginning, just the pressure to perform.

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Speaker 6: I remember, like my first playoff with the Socramento Kings,

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Speaker 6: feel pressure? I said, I feel pressure. I mean to

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Speaker 6: before the game and says, if you guys lose, you're

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Speaker 4: That's pressure, right, yeah yeah right, so need that money?

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Speaker 3: No, but that's that's what was happening at the time. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean even to this day things like that not

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Speaker 4: That is crazy.

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Speaker 5: The coach is smoking wyyau hoopy, and then fans in

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Speaker 5: the crowd smoke y'all just got smoking y'all face exactly.

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Speaker 3: So those are things that like, it's you know, it's

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Speaker 3: just something that you know, it's it was. It was

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Speaker 3: part of my career, and I'm I'm very very fortunate, man.

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Speaker 3: It's like that I have found basketball. This is like

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Speaker 3: to me those I was blessing. I always consider myself lucky.

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Speaker 3: I like to play the game like I mean, all obviously,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you guys we can share this same feeling.

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Speaker 3: It's very hard to make it to this level. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's very hard, and it's even harder to stay understanding

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Speaker 1: To be so young and now you're getting paid to play.

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Speaker 1: Now you're playing with grown man guys twenty thirty years old.

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Speaker 1: To make an All Star game over there in that league,

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Speaker 1: in that first league. How was that for you to

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Speaker 1: in that league?

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Speaker 3: It was It was cool. But you know, they always

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Speaker 3: try to copy the US. You know, every country, every

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Speaker 3: first All Star games they've actually started having over there. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think it was the nineteen nineties seven. It was cool,

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Speaker 3: you know, just it was It was a nice like

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Speaker 3: I got drafted after three years being in Greece. I

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Speaker 3: Apparently I had a good workout as well, and that's

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I tell you Tank to take you right up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but no, I went on. I went laid onto

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Speaker 2: Are you at the draft? I was at the draft. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: So how was that for you? Like, coming from where

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Speaker 7: Everything happened so fast and here you are at the draft.

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Speaker 4: How was that for you? Did you bring a family?

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Speaker 5: That, damn now that you say that, I remember you

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Speaker 4: I just had the vision.

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Speaker 3: That's crazy, and obviously my English was, Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: It was one of those things. I'm happy to be here.

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Speaker 5: Let me ask you this, had you had you seen

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Speaker 3: I've seen it, but you know it was I did

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and but to be and.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what was the process of you waiting two years

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Speaker 4: And do you have to play a contract out?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had to play a contract now. I had

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Speaker 1: What do Vladi mean to you of your process when

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Speaker 3: So when I signed in ninety eight, I signed before

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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean the presence that they always can kind

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Speaker 2: Right, that was his first year. Was the first year.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, how long do you think it took for you,

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Speaker 3: But you know, when you come off the bench and

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Speaker 3: I think coaches wants players that can help them win. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think that's how I see it now. I mean

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right, he ain't helping you.

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Speaker 1: You feel like he ain't helping you get your rhythm

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Speaker 3: That was definitely an experience on its own because you're

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Speaker 1: We got drafted in two thousand and when I be

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Speaker 1: One of the things I used to hate about y'all,

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Speaker 1: rather you just go back door and just try to

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Speaker 1: stop the back door path. But as today's game, you

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Speaker 1: one of the teams that every time we seen y'all,

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Speaker 1: have fun, y'all root for each other. Y'all was happy

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, But you know what now, I think

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Speaker 3: I think of you guys. We did not love playing

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Speaker 2: You guys were young.

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Speaker 3: I know you always guys gave us the problems in

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Speaker 3: they've I mean, Jason was amazing for us. Jason was.

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00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I was very fortunate. I played with some

443
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 3: great passers, great unselfish players like you know. This is

444
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 3: the I think this is this is for every young player.

445
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 3: This is like a dream. Like you get an NBA.

446
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 3: Your point guard doesn't want to shoot, he wants to

447
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 3: pass the ball. Your best player, Chris Webber, he is

448
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 3: the unselfish guy exactly. And then you have a bladder

449
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 3: who's also looking to pass the ball.

450
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 2: And I'm like, you're literally and.

451
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is amazing. And then and then they

452
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 3: we started kind of adding different systems, Like it was

453
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 3: a coach carill from Princeton. He was a system coach,

454
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 3: and they took pieces from that offense put it into

455
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 3: our system that already existed with the christ and Latta

456
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 3: being on a pinch post and we're running running a

457
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 3: corner action split action. And later on addition of Bibi

458
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 3: and Doug Christie and Hido was drafted. I think it

459
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 3: was in your draft. Yeah, it was your draft. And

460
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 3: then h O came, Bobby Jackson, Scott Pollard, I mean,

461
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 3: and then the game was so beautiful because none of

462
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 3: us scared who's going to score, because it was contagious

463
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 3: like we learned. We learned I remember coach carill And

464
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 3: and this is hard to explain because we learned that

465
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 3: making a sacrifice for your teammate as far as making

466
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 3: a hard cut is not going to make you always open,

467
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 3: but it's gonna make somebody else open. And if you

468
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 3: set a good screen, somebody else is gonna get open.

469
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 3: And this became contagious. We started thinking for others instead

470
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 3: of thinking for ourselves, and everything kind of opened up.

471
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 3: And then as you play, and then we start tweaking,

472
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 3: and we started like, okay, all right, how do they

473
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 3: guard you? Are they guarding you on the top, are

474
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 3: they pushing you in the back door? Okay, we're just

475
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 3: gonna throw over his head because he's not he's not

476
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 3: looking at the ball. So we were able to adjust,

477
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 3: but it was it was definitely the best years of

478
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 3: my of my NBA career with the Sacramento.

479
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: Because I feel like he don't get as much props

480
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: as he should. You know, you hear about the sheets,

481
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: You hear about KG, the Dauntings, all these guys, But

482
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: just touch on Chris Weber and just how good and

483
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: great a teammate and just how good he was to

484
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: lead this Sacramento team is to be contenders, to be

485
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: a championship contender. Just tell us how good he was

486
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: because I've been loving him since college, and I feel

487
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: like I don't hear his name enough. When you mentioned

488
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 1: the best power forwards.

489
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 2: I agreed.

490
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 3: I agreed that here's the reason why we became who

491
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 3: we became. Like, I think he made us all better.

492
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 3: He changed He changed everything in Docramento. I mean when

493
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 3: he arrived, finally there was a piece that you could

494
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 3: build around.

495
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 4: Yeah.

496
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 3: I mean we all know his skill set on the court,

497
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 3: but to me, like Chris does not people don't know

498
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 3: Chris off the court. Chris is one of the most

499
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 3: generous people that you're ever gonna come across. I mean

500
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 3: he was super nice, super nice to me, super nice

501
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 3: to Hi. Though he understood where we came from, he

502
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 3: was very supportive. He wanted us to make us feel

503
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 3: always like we at home. Yeah, that's talking from the

504
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 3: personal experience. I mean, those those kind of things because

505
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 3: looking at him back as the player, I mean, we

506
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 3: all know how talented he was. I mean it's a

507
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 3: guy that was twenty five ten and five in his sleep, straight.

508
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 5: Up, and that five is against people get they might

509
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 5: get that dubb dub, but they wasn't distributing.

510
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 4: The way he was.

511
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 3: And the five back then, the Legiti five.

512
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, J five. Yeah, I felt it.

513
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:32,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, So it's definitely it was, you know,

514
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 3: being a teammate that was a teammate with Chris for

515
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 3: almost almost seven years, six and a half years.

516
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely was important.

517
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:41,719
Speaker 4: Man.

518
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: Shout out to Chris webber Man C dub Man, one

519
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: of my favorites.

520
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 2: Yes, for sure.

521
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 5: Tell me about like I can remember coming out there

522
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:55,239
Speaker 5: to Sacramento and going to Arco and y'all had that

523
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 5: place going crazy with the bell cow the cow bells

524
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 5: and just the fandom there was, like it was fanatical.

525
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 5: Y'all had some of the best fans and one of

526
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 5: the best atmospheres in the early two thousand. Like talk

527
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 5: about how the city of Sacramento and a fan base

528
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,719
Speaker 5: embrace shall and how that support was because I can

529
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 5: remember how loud it used to get in there in

530
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 5: DN seeing some of the playoff games and stuff on TV.

531
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 5: Like talk about the fans in the atmosphere at ARCO.

532
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you have to understand that Kings are

533
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 2: only showing.

534
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 3: Town and obviously we were embraced. I felt we kind

535
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 3: of grew together. We were able to put a Sacramento

536
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 3: on the map. I think people started talking about as

537
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 3: a Sacramento as a city. There's the team that now

538
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 3: it's on ESPN, on TNT, going deep in the playoffs,

539
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 3: and people start talking about us about Sacramento at the

540
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 3: same time.

541
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 2: I mean, we got the.

542
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 3: Great support from from the city, from the fans. I mean,

543
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 3: it was just amazing, amazing feelings.

544
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: How important was it for you to when Turk got

545
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: on the team, to make sure you help him out

546
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: transitioning from coming overseas and coming over to play, because

547
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: Turk told us a lot of stories, but he definitely

548
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: told us if it wasn't for you and Vladi, he

549
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: don't know where he would have been at.

550
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: I mean, you play with Turk.

551
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 4: Funniest dude ever ever.

552
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: He's tiny crazy.

553
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know about tiny,

554
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 5: but yeah.

555
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 2: But you know what, uh yeah.

556
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 3: When Hit got drafted, he gave all his contract, no.

557
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: To buy buy his buy out a contract.

558
00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 3: And I remember when he came, he and and he

559
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 3: was like, I an't going to live with I think

560
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 3: it was what was left. It was like, I think

561
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 3: one hundred thousand for him to kind of get by.

562
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 3: But immediately I think we felt like, you know, Hito

563
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 3: is our younger brother. I kind of understood that, and Blad,

564
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,719
Speaker 3: of course him being my older brother, my mentor, I

565
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 3: felt we both of us we needed to kind of

566
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 3: step in. And from that moment on, Hido was was

567
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,959
Speaker 3: with us. Hio was at my house, my mom was

568
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: cookingho was he was with us every day, he was

569
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 3: on the road with us. And Hido was such amazing talent.

570
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 3: People don't understand. People don't understand how talented Hido was

571
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 3: legit sixteen and I just I just kind of, as

572
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 3: I look back, I wish we had more time to

573
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 3: play together in our prime. Because in two thousand and three,

574
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 3: Hido was. They had to move Hido because I think

575
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 3: Chris Webb got hurt in the two thousand and three

576
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 3: playoffs to go get Bred Miller. I think I think

577
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 3: there was a three way trade. Yeah, I mean they

578
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 3: had to give up Hido and we got Bread, who

579
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 3: was also amazing for us. But but Hio was. I

580
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 3: mean some great stories with hit though. I mean he's

581
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 3: he did not care either did not he didn't care.

582
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 3: He was he was a hooper. I remember his first

583
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 3: year because he don got he became America right away. Immediately,

584
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 3: he became America he don't know either. Start he started dressing. God,

585
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 3: he the start listening hip hop music.

586
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 5: He literally told us like that's how he learned English

587
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 5: from the guys.

588
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 7: Like you can kind of tell when you listen to him,

589
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 7: you can.

590
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 3: Tell he started wearing baggy clothing, listen to music, and

591
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 3: all the guys in the locker room, like Hia became

592
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 3: a favorite guy in the locker room everybody and everybody.

593
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 3: Everybody loved Hi though, but hitter Hito's rookie year. We're

594
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 3: playing Cliff Robinson, I think with with Phoenix Suns at

595
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 3: the time and has playing the game, and and Cliff

596
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 3: at the time, I think he was already thirty four

597
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 3: thirty five years old, and back in the day you

598
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 3: could not talk talk trash to veteran players.

599
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 2: It was like they will check you.

600
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, So he was stopped screaming from the bench like

601
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 3: you know, she's learning in new terminology in practice, and

602
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 3: he's like talking about it like he's he's yelling let

603
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 3: him shoot, let him shoot, let him let him. So

604
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 3: Cliff looks at us like, who's this guy? Who's this guy?

605
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 3: Does he ever play? And he's he has been talking trash.

606
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 3: And then later on After the game, Chris was talking

607
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 3: to Cliff and Fida's coming out of locker room and Cliff, course, Hito,

608
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 3: he'll come over here, young fellow. You can't do that, man,

609
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 3: I mean, I understand you. If you play and you

610
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:20,919
Speaker 3: talk dressed me, you don't even play classic heato man.

611
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 3: But it was it was so fun.

612
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 5: It was so fun with tell me this plage because

613
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 5: we I asked he though this when when we had

614
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 5: them on the show, because me and d Miles used

615
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 5: to always talk about how you, Hido and Vlade would

616
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 5: come in with the all black with the euro suits,

617
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 5: like who started that and who got that gun? Hedo

618
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 5: said it was you for sure, So so tell us

619
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 5: how that guy started and y'all was coming in like

620
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 5: the men in black got.

621
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 3: That jobt No, I mean obviously for us, you know,

622
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 3: just coming from Europe at the time, I mean obviously everybody.

623
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 3: Everybody were laughing at us. Why did never cared about

624
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 3: dressing up? It was always like, you know, dress pants whatever.

625
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 3: And I started wearing suits and all the suits were

626
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 3: slim fit at the time. Now not everyone everyone in

627
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 3: the NBA, yeah, yeah, everyone.

628
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 7: Yeah, you used to.

629
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 4: Use a pioneer with that he was already doing it.

630
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 3: Everyone. I remember Bobby Jackson was like every time he

631
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 3: was seeing he was like, God, damn, how can you

632
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 3: feel that you need the surgery to get out of

633
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 3: those gens? And and I said, I said, Bobby, listen,

634
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 3: in twenty years who knows you might be wearing the same.

635
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 3: And now now a couple of years ago, when I

636
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 3: was working with Bobby for Sacramento Kings, Bobby was coming

637
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:49,919
Speaker 3: in those tight suits. Bobby, remember that twenty years ago?

638
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 5: I dude, that that reminds me of Marco Yard. Like

639
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 5: when we drafted Marco Yards. He came over and that's

640
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 5: what he Marco was hilarious because he wasn't He was

641
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 5: proud of his clothes and he felt like everybody else

642
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 5: looked like clowns. And he was wearing like he like,

643
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 5: this is elegance, man, this is elegance, Like this is

644
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 5: this is fashion.

645
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 7: He was like, what are you guys doing?

646
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 5: He's be hilarious, But Marco would be having that slim,

647
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 5: tight stuff.

648
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 7: You couldn't tell Marco nothing.

649
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 3: We actually had to play because they started calling me

650
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 3: type jeans, and we actually had a play that we

651
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 3: called the TJ and that was.

652
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 2: That was a play for me.

653
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 3: I would come out of the stagger picks for a

654
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 3: shot and Doc Christian would come, let's go TJ. And

655
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 3: Everybody's like, what's TJ? That's crazy?

656
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: How was it to know that your peers appreciate what

657
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: you brought to the table after three four years in

658
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: that league, you make the All Star Team? You know,

659
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: now you you represent Sacramento at the All Star Team

660
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: as well as your family and everything. How was your

661
00:37:58,920 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: first All Star game?

662
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 4: Man? How did you find out that you made the

663
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 4: All Star Team? Yeah?

664
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Speaker 3: I was. I was actually in my car. It was

665
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 3: earlier in the morning. I was going to I was

666
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 3: going to appearance and I got a phone call from

667
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 3: the PR at the time, and I think that was

668
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 3: one of the as you said, like, you know, you know,

669
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 3: getting validation around the league, you know, being selected at

670
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 3: the All Star But I also I always believe that

671
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 3: me making the All Star I was like it was

672
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 3: because of our team we had. We had an amazing

673
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 3: team and it would never happen if it wasn't for

674
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 3: for our team. I mean, the way we played, the

675
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 3: way we care about each other, and we won't I

676
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 3: think at the time, at the time you were making

677
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 3: All Star team if the team was winning.

678
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that was kind of yeah.

679
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the players were rewarded well, yeah, exactly.

680
00:38:58,600 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 4: They don't do that, no, mo.

681
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's more about.

682
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 3: Tat It's more about that now these days and back then,

683
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 3: it was just like your team, how much you are

684
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 3: helping your team win, how how much impact you have

685
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 3: on those wins. And I think those were the right

686
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 3: standards I believe. Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe that

687
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 3: right too. Yeah, so that was that was definitely one

688
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 3: of those moments that you feel like, okay, but but

689
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 3: at the same time, you feel even more greater responsibility.

690
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 3: You feel the greater responsibility towards your team, and also

691
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 3: you feel like you have you can't have nights off.

692
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 3: And then you know how you guys know how it's

693
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 3: in the league. It doesn't matter who you play. There

694
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 3: are so many talented guys in the league. Ye, every night,

695
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 3: every night, you got to bring it.

696
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 4: How was it for you?

697
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,919
Speaker 5: Did you ever have aspirations to play in the three

698
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 5: point ad? Males, you can sit down right quid just

699
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 5: to the side. You don't know nothing about this conversation

700
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 5: about the threes.

701
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. We start talking about.

702
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 5: Something out of your ram of ability, so you know,

703
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 5: you just sit there and just listen here.

704
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 4: Now, I appreciate you.

705
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 5: Let me know without page had you had aspirations in

706
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 5: trying to be in the three point contest or did

707
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 5: it mean anything to you? Or how was it when

708
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 5: you first got to go to the three point contest

709
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 5: and win? You actually want back to back three point contest?

710
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 3: You know what? To be honest with you, I was

711
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 3: nervous because it's it's not easy, because it's different when

712
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 3: you were at a gym by yourself and you warmed

713
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 3: up and you have your rhythm, you are just in

714
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 3: the groove when you sit on the bench over there

715
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 3: for whatever ten fifteen, thirty minutes and they told your

716
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 3: name and there's all these people around you, lights on,

717
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 3: sixty seconds, let's go, and.

718
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it's for me.

719
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 3: It was like blocking all the night and noises and

720
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 3: try to try to catch How can I catch the rhythm?

721
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 3: How can I As soon as I catch the rhythm,

722
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 3: it's going to be better for me. But you never know,

723
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 3: you know, there's I was. I was fortunate. I was fortunate.

724
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 3: I competed against some great shooters. You know, it could

725
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 3: go to any of those guys, but it was definitely

726
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 3: every time I competed, I think five times, and and

727
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 3: every time I was nervous.

728
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 7: Because I know how I felt like did you were

729
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 7: you were you nervous?

730
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 5: Like you said, when you're sitting over there with the

731
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 5: guys on the bench, I was cool. Then when you

732
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 5: go sit on that little block to let you know,

733
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 5: you know the little that's what it's like. It kind

734
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 5: of because like you're just sitting there and it's like

735
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 5: you're looking at it like oh okay, Like now it

736
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 5: came all down on you, like it was like you

737
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 5: here now, like it's about to happen, Like it's just you.

738
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 2: Like exactly that that moment when you're on that box, sit.

739
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 7: On that little block, it does on your.

740
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Speaker 3: Right and you're next. I mean that was as all games.

741
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 3: I felt those nerves every time I stepped on the court,

742
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 3: even through my career. Every time before the jump, all

743
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 3: I was this, I had these nerves. As soon as

744
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 3: we started going up and down for a couple of minutes,

745
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 3: it was gone. You know, your focus to you You're

746
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 3: just you're doing what you're being trained to do.

747
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 1: Tell us the mindset of going into the series against

748
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: the Lakers. The first series against the Lakers, they won

749
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: a championship the previous year.

750
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 4: Did you finished number one in the West there?

751
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think in two thousand. In two thousand

752
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 3: and two we won the Pacific Conference. Yeah, I think,

753
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 3: I think I think we were number one.

754
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, they went sixty one. Yeah, so yeah, yeah,

755
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 4: I won the West to go into it.

756
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: What was it like going into that series, because that's

757
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: a seven game series. Uh, it started a war that

758
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: the next few years we watched some great Lakers and

759
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 1: Sacramento came games every time y'all played.

760
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was we started. It started in two years

761
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 3: before that. It started in two thousand and then in

762
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 3: two thousand and one second round, and then two thousand

763
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 3: and two we played an.

764
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: Investor Conference finals. The series before against Mavericks.

765
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Speaker 3: I've hurt my ankle and I was out and I

766
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 3: came back. I think I came back the fourth game

767
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 3: of the series against the Lakers. But listen, I mean

768
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 3: playing against Kobe and Shack, it was hard because because

769
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 3: both of them demand that doubled him.

770
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, right.

771
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 3: It always make us scrambled. Okay, let's say, okay, we're

772
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 3: gonna protect the paint. We're gonna double shack right away.

773
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 3: And then we are running two shooters and then Kobe

774
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 3: gets the ball and then it was but we had him,

775
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 3: We had him. I mean, we could go back and

776
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 3: forth like you know this and that calls over there.

777
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 3: I think we had the game seven at our home court.

778
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 3: I personally look back and think of the things that

779
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 3: I could do better, that we could do better, like

780
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 3: I have missed the corner shot. We missed so many

781
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 3: free throws, we missed so many blackouts. It was our opportunity.

782
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 3: It was definitely our year, and we were not able

783
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 3: to go through them. And for us, it was tough

784
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 3: because West was so deep at the time. Like you

785
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 3: had the Lakers, you had San Antonio. You had memory

786
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 3: of tough Minnesota, Minnesota with KG and Portland. Portland a

787
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 3: year before they were in Game seven against the Lakers,

788
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 3: I think, or two years before, they were up eighteen

789
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 3: or twenty. Yeah, and they came back. They came back

790
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 3: and won that. So, I mean West was so deep West,

791
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 3: it was such a such a crazy competition. But with

792
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 3: the Lakers, it kind of carried on for another year.

793
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 3: But then I think once Chris got hurt in two

794
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,439
Speaker 3: thousand and three in the playoffs against Mavericks, I think

795
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 3: for us because we were we as a team now

796
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 3: looking back, we were not constructed to last. I think

797
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 3: when you're a small team, you're trying to figure out, like,

798
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 3: how can I put a winning team on a court?

799
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 3: And I was twenty one when I was got the

800
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 3: Chris was twenty five, Vlada was thirty, Jay Will was

801
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 3: twenty three. We were just kind of over the years,

802
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 3: like my best year, Vlada was thirty six and Chris

803
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 3: was coming back from the surgery. So we never had

804
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 3: a chance to play together in our primes, like all

805
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 3: of us in our primes, And that's I think that's

806
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 3: something that I kind of try to kind of go

807
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 3: back and think, what if we were all at the

808
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 3: kind of similar age, all kind of kind of grew

809
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:10,439
Speaker 3: together to that that level, and I think it would

810
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 3: we would definitely do better things if we were all

811
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 3: in a similar age.

812
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was kind of all over the place when you.

813
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: Said like that, no disrespect to Jay Will, but once

814
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: y'all got Mike Bibby, it seemed like your team took

815
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: another step up. I guess Mike Bibby's style was different

816
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: than Jay Wills that it linked.

817
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 4: To your style, like say that Bibby and your screen, like.

818
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: You had to pick your poison because if you don't

819
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: go off the screen, then Bibby come right back up

820
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 1: and get the dribble hand off.

821
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 3: And Mike was a different player from Jason. Mike wanted

822
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:57,240
Speaker 3: to shoot, yeah, Jason wanted to pass, and Jason needed

823
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 3: the ball. Jason was way more effect with the ball

824
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 3: in his hands and Mike Mike was sometimes better without

825
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 3: a ball because we would have a Doug Christie bring

826
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 3: the ball six to seven point guards and actually it

827
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 3: did not matter who brought the ball because we will

828
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 3: go through our bigs, throw to Chris lad and we

829
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 3: would just go play all of them and then we

830
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 3: start running around and it's tough.

831
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 2: I mean it's tough.

832
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 4: It's tough.

833
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 2: It was tough.

834
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 3: But Mike, as you're right, Mike style of the game

835
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 3: was better for us later on, like he fit he

836
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 3: fit perfect well. I mean as a group the way

837
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 3: we played, yeah, I mean he was he was, it

838
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 3: was it was the right right move.

839
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 2: Now looking back, take.

840
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 5: Me back, like I didn't realize in the Old three

841
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 5: or Old four season that you finished fourth in the MVP

842
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 5: boating was you you gotta think that was probably your

843
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 5: best individual year. You have your twenty four point two,

844
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 5: six point three shot forty three from three, he was

845
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,919
Speaker 5: All NBA second team, Like, y'all team win fifty five

846
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 5: and twenty seven? Like, was that you think that was

847
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 5: your best year being locked in like as an individual performance.

848
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was. I mean, I mean, obviously

849
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 3: number numbers are shown. We were winning as well. Yeah, yeah,

850
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 3: we were winning, and I think we had this amazing chemistry,

851
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 3: amazing chemistry. I just felt like when Chris, that's the

852
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 3: first year Chris was recovering from the injury, and I

853
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 3: felt like I had more responsibility and that I had

854
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 3: to had to do more and all of us, we

855
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 3: all of us had to do more because at the

856
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 3: time we didn't have a our franchise player was hurt,

857
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 3: so we all had to do more. And I think

858
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 3: the way we played, you did not know who's going

859
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 3: to score that night, but we we just played to

860
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 3: rather moved the ball. We played for each other. I

861
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 3: was the beneficiary most of the nights, and it was

862
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 3: a good feeling.

863
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 5: Man, how did you feel finding out like did you

864
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 5: was fourth in MVP voting?

865
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 4: Like did you even think.

866
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 5: That was even in the realm of possibility? And like

867
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 5: how did you feel hearing that? Like, like what, I'm fourth?

868
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 5: Like that's crazy?

869
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean obviously, No, it's every time you're

870
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 3: being put in a conversation with KG and who else

871
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 3: was in that Duncans and duncan check a couple of

872
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 3: those guys. I mean, every time you're in a conversation

873
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 3: with those guys. It's definitely a huge compliment. I mean, listen,

874
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 3: I've said that, like it's to me. It helped tremendously

875
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 3: that I was on the team that's care They were

876
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 3: unselfish and they cared for each other like I was.

877
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 3: I was lucky that my first team in NBA was

878
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 3: the was Sacramento Kings, Like I was always with the

879
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 3: guys that wanted to share the ball. They really cared

880
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 3: because later on after I moved, and we always think

881
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 3: it's better on the other side, right.

882
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 4: Appreciate you appreciate the team. Ain't always screen the baby.

883
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 4: We found that out the hard way.

884
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: Sometimes definitely did went like the Clippers once I left.

885
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 2: It's different. It's different.

886
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 5: How was it for you to see, you know, at

887
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 5: the end of the one season vlad Lad exit, he

888
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 5: goes to the Lakers. Then you get see Weeb dealt

889
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 5: at the trade line. How was that for you? Like,

890
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 5: you know, you sitting there and you you you've been

891
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 5: through these wars with these guys and then you see

892
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 5: the team that start going in different directions, Like, how

893
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 5: does that?

894
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 4: How did that feel?

895
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 3: It was the writing on the wall, you know, the feeling,

896
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 3: you know, you know your next.

897
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 7: My days a number, My day's a number.

898
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like you know your next It's like at

899
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 3: some point bla, it was thirty six, you know, it

900
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 3: was you know, it was at the end of his career.

901
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 3: Chris six months later he was traded, and then six

902
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 3: months after Chris I was traded, and Doug Christie, I

903
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,919
Speaker 3: mean all of us were were traded at some point

904
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 3: in time from two thousand and four to two thousand

905
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 3: and six or yeah, And I mean that's that's normal.

906
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 3: I think I think we had our run and window

907
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 3: of opportunities was closing for us, and they had to

908
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 3: make these decisions. You know, do we keep some of

909
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 3: those guys do we pay them or do we do

910
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 3: we trade them and then try to get somebody different

911
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,959
Speaker 3: and build build over.

912
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 4: Yeah?

913
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, how was it going to the Hornets? But then

914
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 5: you had to play you first season? Okay see had

915
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 5: you ever been to Oklahoma City?

916
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 2: Like?

917
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 4: How was that?

918
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 2: Like?

919
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 3: A year before I was when I was traded to Indiana.

920
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 3: We played, we played okay see I mean Charlotte and

921
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 3: okay see, I mean I was.

922
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 2: I was a free agent and having.

923
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 3: Chris Paul and David West that kind of helped me

924
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 3: besides financial reasons, that kind of helped me to to

925
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 3: go to that organization. And Byron Scott was the coach

926
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 3: who I who was assistant coach with Documento Kings his

927
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 3: first year as a coach in the league in my

928
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 3: rookie year and I played against Byron Scott in Greece.

929
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 3: It just like us. It's crazy. So so that was

930
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 3: that was. That was this connection and then getting Tyson

931
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 3: Chandler that year. I just wish I was because two

932
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 3: months into that season, I picked my back and I

933
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 3: had the back surgery and after after that, I was

934
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 3: never the same, And uh, it was it was a

935
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 3: downhill for me as far as physically and always trying

936
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 3: to figure out. But but I think it was the

937
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 3: blessing also playing with playing with the young girl, playing

938
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 3: with Chris and who was also unselfish, who was also

939
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 3: trying to make place for other yeah, for others, and

940
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,399
Speaker 3: that kind of that kind of helped me at the time.

941
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:12,240
Speaker 3: I just became the guy who spaced the court for

942
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 3: for him, playing the pick and roll with Tyson and

943
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 3: David and uh. Actually that the following year I came

944
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 3: back from a surgery. We ended up we won fifties

945
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 3: plus games. We were third, third or second in the

946
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 3: West Byron Scott became a Coach of the Year and

947
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 3: in the second round we had took we had took San.

948
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:35,280
Speaker 2: Antonio to game seven.

949
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a pretty pretty good year for us.

950
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was that was like, how was it to

951
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 5: see you know, the young Chris Paul, Tyson, Chandler and

952
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,439
Speaker 5: that you know that that was kind of like where

953
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 5: they got that connection with the lib and things like that.

954
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 5: How was it to see those those guys as young

955
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 5: boys come in.

956
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 3: I think it was a kind of perfect perfect marriage.

957
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 3: Tyson needed Chris and Chris needed right because Tyson was young.

958
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 3: I think he came from Chicago. I think he was

959
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 3: a little bit frustrated with the way they used him

960
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 3: in Chicago and with everything that was happening, and he

961
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 3: was he was motivated, Chris. They gave him another outlet,

962
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 3: having Tyson rolled to the rim, the west free throw line,

963
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 3: and having shooters on the corners. For Chris, that was

964
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 3: the That was a field day. Yeah, his his basketball

965
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 3: i Q and him reading and then each and every

966
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 3: year Chris was obviously you know, we we've followed his career.

967
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 2: And he's done some amazing things in the league.

968
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, I think he's gonna be amazing for Wemby

969
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 1: down there in st.

970
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 2: I think so too. That's that was an amazing pickup.

971
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 5: How did you feel when you got traded to the

972
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 5: Raptors but then you were getting bought out to go

973
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 5: to Dallas And you know, Dallas was a situation where

974
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 5: I were you know a lot of vets there and

975
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 5: they were looking to try and win.

976
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 2: I mean Toronto.

977
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 3: That that happened to be my last year two ten,

978
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 3: twenty eleven.

979
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 2: Somehow I got a call, if.

980
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 3: There's a potential trade, you would you want to go?

981
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 2: Because I had a trade kicker.

982
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 3: I was they had to have to kind of yeah,

983
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 3: that's always nice.

984
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 7: I had one of those four years.

985
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's always pleasant. So they had to ask me,

986
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 3: I said, are you willing to, you know, accept the trade?

987
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 3: I said, yeah, not cool. You know this is you know,

988
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 3: I definitely you know, it's I'm okay with that. Raptors

989
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:49,919
Speaker 3: were young team. They've already lost Chris Bosh. But twenty ten,

990
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 3: the Rosen was a Raptors first round pick, and they

991
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 3: were like, they were in a rebuilding stage. Yeah, so

992
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 3: I got there. I was therefore two months. I was

993
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 3: just part of this rebuilding process. And then we talked

994
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 3: about a buyout, and and then various teams start calling,

995
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 3: you know, we can pick up this veteran help us

996
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 3: with shooting playoffs. And then Kroen Butler got hurt a

997
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 3: few months before with the Mavericks. You guys, remember I

998
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 3: had the connection with Rick carl I had a connection

999
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 3: with with Derek Novitski from just playing against each other

1000
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 3: for so many years. And I got a phone calls

1001
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 3: and the only think that I kind of had a

1002
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 3: conversation with coach at the time, Coach Carla. I said, Coach,

1003
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 3: this is most likely my last year. Do you have

1004
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 3: a role for me? I would like to I would

1005
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 3: like to go out playing whatever that role is, you know,

1006
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 3: just just to kind of I'm gonna walk on my own,

1007
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,280
Speaker 3: but I want to play. So they were like, Okay,

1008
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 3: we have a role for this, we have a spot

1009
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 3: for you. And and you guys know, it just happened

1010
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 3: for us. It's just it's it's time.

1011
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 2: We did not.

1012
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 3: I think nobody expect Dallas to win. Nobody nobody. And

1013
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:12,919
Speaker 3: I remember our first round against Portland and we were

1014
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 3: down down halftime, first game at home. Andre Miller was

1015
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 3: cooking and we were down ten points and a half

1016
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 3: and dork is walking back is like another year, like

1017
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 3: I'm tired of this. And somehow, I don't know, we

1018
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 3: turned that game around. Each and every game. I think

1019
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 3: teams started clicking. And obviously obviously Novinsky was amazing and

1020
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 3: in the playoffs, and that team was built for their

1021
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 3: one run. I mean, having so many former All Stars,

1022
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 3: former good players, and just everybody understood kind of what

1023
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 3: it takes. It was no egos, all right, we what

1024
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 3: do we have to do or whatever it takes.

1025
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 2: In order in order to make it happen.

1026
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 5: How good did it feel like to win the championship,

1027
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 5: even though it wasn't like you know, when you were

1028
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 5: with Sacramento where use one of the star contributors and

1029
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 5: stuff like that, But it's still we all know how

1030
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 5: hard it is to actually win in this league and

1031
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 5: what it takes and what it goes goes into it

1032
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 5: in the commitment from on a team level.

1033
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 4: So to get to feel that moment.

1034
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 5: And get there and how the champagne showers and all

1035
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 5: letting the hold that trophy, Like, how did that feel

1036
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 5: for you?

1037
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 3: You said it it's amazing feeling. You really appreciate the moment.

1038
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 3: But mind was at the time when I won. I

1039
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 3: think when we won the championship, Mike Bibby was maybe

1040
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 3: Miami hit and I walked to Miami to walk to

1041
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 3: Mike Bibby and both of us like there should be

1042
00:58:52,760 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 3: in us okay, yeah, yeah, and we kind of and

1043
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 3: that to me, like because at the time both of

1044
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 3: us said, as you said, we had star roles, we

1045
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 3: had more responsibility, but as you said, it's hard to

1046
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 3: it's hard to win in our league. And as a

1047
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 3: young player when you lose and you say, like it

1048
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 3: doesn't matter, I'm gonna come back next year.

1049
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 2: It's not not that.

1050
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 7: Any I don't understand that like that at that time.

1051
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 3: It's at the time you're thinking, Okay, it doesn't matter

1052
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 3: next year. It's gotta be next year. Like for us, yes,

1053
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 3: it's supposed to be another year, but our best player

1054
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 3: got hurt.

1055
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 2: So everything.

1056
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 3: Everything changes and trajectory of uh of our careers, everything

1057
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 3: kind of goes in different directions.

1058
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 5: That's that's crazy. Didn't know that in that moment. Y'all

1059
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 5: found each other and talked about that. That's that's tough.

1060
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you probably thought about the guys, the

1061
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: rules you'd haven't been through. You win a championship your

1062
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: last year, you see the whole history, your whole career

1063
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: all in one.

1064
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's you, still right, you know it's you.

1065
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 3: You just look back and look back in the moment.

1066
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 3: And it happened when I at least expected right right

1067
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 3: at the end. You used to say, right right right

1068
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 3: at the end. And it's uh, of course, it's amazing feeling.

1069
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 3: It's it's but you. You just kind of go back

1070
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 3: and look each and every year that you have played,

1071
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 3: and and and you wish that you had the same

1072
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 3: understanding for the what it takes to win at the

1073
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 3: high level.

1074
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 5: After you know you win, and obviously it's the celebration.

1075
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 5: I got the parade, Like did you tell you know?

1076
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 5: The team? Like, that's it for me. I'm done. I'm like,

1077
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 5: how did all of that go? And in the process

1078
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 5: you you stepping away.

1079
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 3: I did not say that, but that kind of knew

1080
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 3: because I had like little problems with my back and

1081
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 3: my neck throughout.

1082
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 2: This whole year.

1083
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 3: And I've talked a few guys, Dirk and Karen Butler

1084
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 3: at the time. Karen was going through the rehab and

1085
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 3: he was like, what are you thinking. I said, this

1086
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 3: is most likely for me because in order for me

1087
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 3: at the time to continue, doctors were suggesting a surgery.

1088
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 3: I was thirty four years old and I did not

1089
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 3: have a mental strength to go through another rehab. Yeah,

1090
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 3: and you guys know it's hard. It's hard when you

1091
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 3: when you come back from injury and you don't think

1092
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 3: about the game anymore. You think about how can I

1093
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 3: prepare my body for the game. It's not the game anymore.

1094
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 3: It's yeah, you know you can play. You just trying

1095
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 3: to get your body right enough to play exactly. Lucas

1096
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 3: from Croatia, joke us from Serbia. Did you know them

1097
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 3: two guys or see hurting them two guys before they came.

1098
01:01:55,920 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 3: So that's a young man, especially Luca. Luca, I played

1099
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 3: against his dead he's dead at my age, Wow, so

1100
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 3: I played against his dead growing up. We all know

1101
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 3: how Luca emerged on the scene, and obviously he's one

1102
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 3: of the best players in the league.

1103
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 2: Joki was not known in Europe.

1104
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 3: He played in this small club in Serbia, and he's

1105
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 3: one of those guys that did not care.

1106
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1107
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 3: You probably have seen the footage. Yeah, he was one

1108
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 3: of those guys like you know, he's like I just

1109
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 3: love to play the game, and you know, whatever happens happens.

1110
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:46,479
Speaker 3: And credit to Denver they drafted him in the second round.

1111
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, and and who I mean, one of the best

1112
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 5: players ever.

1113
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 3: And now those two guys have ruined all my beliefs

1114
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 3: all these years that I believe that you have to

1115
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:06,439
Speaker 3: be athletic, you have to be fast, yeah ki, yeah,

1116
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 3: now all of that all these guys have, These two.

1117
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 2: Guys have, like do all that out the winner exactly?

1118
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 3: Those two guys are just a great example, Uh, what

1119
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 3: fundamentals can do to the game.

1120
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 5: Tell me this, right when you came in, it was

1121
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 5: nowhere near the international presence in the NBA as it

1122
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 5: is now like now.

1123
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 4: When you look at the game, like you said, you

1124
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 4: see the Lucas, you see.

1125
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 5: Jannis, you see guys from from everywhere, Like do you

1126
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 5: take any pride in that knowing that you were one

1127
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 5: of the one of the guys earlier on in the

1128
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 5: early two thousand, late nineties that you know you like

1129
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 5: you said, you played against Luca's dad, he could possibly

1130
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 5: have saw you and some of these other guys looked

1131
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 5: up to you and saw you for the same inspiration

1132
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 5: that you saw out of the coup coaches, the Vlades,

1133
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 5: the Dino Rodgers. How does that make you feel seeing

1134
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 5: the presence so big and like some of the game's

1135
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 5: best best players are from overseas, are international guys. Some

1136
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 5: of the last three or four MVPs in all of

1137
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 5: the award when they've been from there.

1138
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 4: So the presence and the influence is very strong. How

1139
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 4: do you feel about that?

1140
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 2: I think that's a very good question.

1141
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 3: I am very proud of the current international players and

1142
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 3: their impact on the game, but I have to go back,

1143
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 3: like what you just said, like all of the guys

1144
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 3: that came in late late eighties, in eighty nine, eighty eight,

1145
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 3: it was tough. I mean, they did not believe in

1146
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 3: international players rightfully, so for whatever reason, the game was different.

1147
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 3: It was more physical, it was more athletic. And even

1148
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 3: when I came, it was like a different wave of

1149
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:51,919
Speaker 3: international players that we had to earn. It doesn't matter

1150
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 3: what you have done in Europe, like nobody care. They

1151
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 3: did not care what I was doing in Europe when

1152
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 3: I came, Like I had to earn my minutes. Yeah,

1153
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 3: I have to start over earn my minutes. And now

1154
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 3: just the I think the trust, I would call it trust.

1155
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 3: I think the NBA teams because of the history of

1156
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 3: past thirty thirty five years of having to do with

1157
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 3: international players, they've learned how to trust a game.

1158
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 2: It's so global they.

1159
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 3: Are there and with the social media and everything, they

1160
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 3: are going to pick all the best players from all

1161
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 3: over the world, right and make sure they put the

1162
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 3: best product on the floor. And now to Q the question,

1163
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 3: I mean, it's three or four out of five best

1164
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 3: players are international players.

1165
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I was just gonna say.

1166
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: MB Jannis Luca Djoka did you ever think the top

1167
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: five guys in the NBA will be international players?

1168
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 4: Never?

1169
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 3: Never to be, to be honest with you, never. I

1170
01:05:55,880 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 3: mean it's Americans have such a deep history in basketball.

1171
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 3: Like you, guys always saw more so much more advanced.

1172
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 3: We always looked up the way the game was played

1173
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 3: in America. And now I think this gap, this gap

1174
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 3: is being reduced. I think the emphasis on the fundamentals

1175
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 3: that's being placed in Europe has helped the guys to

1176
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 3: make this transition and reduce the gape.

1177
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 1: With that, we're gonna get in your your coaching bag

1178
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 1: a little bit. You gotta start one. You gotta bench one.

1179
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:34,919
Speaker 1: You gotta trade one. These three players you want them

1180
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 1: to be the shooter for your team. So you got

1181
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 1: to start one, bench one, trade one. Klay Thompson, Reggie Miller,

1182
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 1: Ray Allen. Who would you start? Who would you a bench?

1183
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 1: Who did you trade to be the shooters for your team?

1184
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 2: That's a tough question.

1185
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say Reggie to start because he was one

1186
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 3: of those guys that I looked up because I wanted

1187
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 3: to play like Reggie. I wanted to learn how to

1188
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 3: use the screens like Reggie, how to get opened. I

1189
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 3: want to go with the older players like Reggie.

1190
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 2: Ray Clay, Yeah, Claire, Okay, does that the dog.

1191
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 4: Shoot?

1192
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 1: So you ain't going wrong with.

1193
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 3: The Yeah, all of them might have done amazing, amazing things.

1194
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 1: You played for a few teams in the NBA, you

1195
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 1: had a bunch of teammates.

1196
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 4: With you.

1197
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: Out of all the teammates you played with in the NBA,

1198
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 1: if you had to make an ultimate five and pick

1199
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 1: four more players to make your ultimate five, who would

1200
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 1: be the four more teammates that you play with to

1201
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 1: make your ultimate five?

1202
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 4: Mm?

1203
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Okay, Chris, I'm Chris Webber.

1204
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 4: Yes, center.

1205
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 3: Power forward. I did not play it with. I think

1206
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 3: a lot of was the best best center. But I

1207
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 3: would take in today's game, I would take Dirk to

1208
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:16,600
Speaker 3: put him on a five. I would take Dirk on

1209
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 3: a five. I would take Ja Kid because Ja Kid was.

1210
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 2: I played with him.

1211
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 3: I played with Ja Kid only for six months. And

1212
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 3: this is not any knock on Chris Paul, but Ja

1213
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 3: Kid was. I think he changed the game when he

1214
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 3: came out of the out of the college. I think

1215
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 3: he's one of He's one of those players I think

1216
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 3: the last players at the time that believe that advancing

1217
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 3: the ball, it's always I mean, his ball had a

1218
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:51,679
Speaker 3: different energy.

1219
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1220
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 3: And and shooting guard, Oh my god, shooting guard.

1221
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 2: You know what, let's put the best team out there.

1222
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 3: I would go with Chris Paul at to one, j

1223
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:10,759
Speaker 3: Ki that the two myself, Chris Webber and Dark and Whisky.

1224
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 4: That's a solid fire right there. That's a Solilifi right there.

1225
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 3: That's because because ja KiB played the guarded one, two, three,

1226
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,759
Speaker 3: Yeah he did. And Ja Kid could play any position

1227
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:27,679
Speaker 3: because of his I mean understanding and the physical all.

1228
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 1: Them guys in their prime. It's dangers out there. It's Yeah,

1229
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,680
Speaker 1: your son is one of the top prospects. What is

1230
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 1: some of the advice you give him coming up and

1231
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 1: see that you know he's not.

1232
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 4: You know, you had a great career, so he.

1233
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 1: Don't have to go through the stuff that you had

1234
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 1: to go through to really learn how to get to

1235
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 1: the level that you get to. And you know, sometimes

1236
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 1: kids don't be wanting to listen to their parents, but

1237
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:02,839
Speaker 1: they're listening to everybody else. So some of the stuff

1238
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 1: did you give your son coming up being one of

1239
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 1: the top prospects to keep them pushing and moving forward?

1240
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 3: We went through the phases of not speaking to each other,

1241
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:17,879
Speaker 3: to be to be cordial, and and now he's older,

1242
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 3: and now he's as I call him, less sensitive.

1243
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:22,480
Speaker 2: Now we have a conversation.

1244
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like that too, No worry about him. I

1245
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 4: like that too.

1246
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 3: And perfect example, like they've listened to other people, other coaches,

1247
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 3: and you will be like, I've been telling you this

1248
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 3: all alone. And I mean you've been, you've been, you've

1249
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 3: been ignoring me. But yeah, man, I'm super proud. Man,

1250
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 3: it's this is the best, the best feeling for a parent.

1251
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 3: I mean, to to see their child to follow their footsteps.

1252
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 3: I'm proud. But also I feel for him because I

1253
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:57,680
Speaker 3: can only imagine the pressure that he has internally, like

1254
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:02,719
Speaker 3: making us proud and going out there and just play

1255
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 3: and perform, but just to be able to watch him grow,

1256
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 3: watch him play. Always tell him. To me, it's like

1257
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 3: the work repetition. I always said this to me, very important.

1258
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:19,640
Speaker 3: I always said, like the work equal confidence, confidence equal performance.

1259
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:23,879
Speaker 3: And and to me, it doesn't matter. You can be nervous,

1260
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:28,560
Speaker 3: but the work will take all the nerves away. And

1261
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 3: and I think those those are those are things I

1262
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 3: can tell my kids, you know, be humble, work hard,

1263
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 3: and I think good things will happen. People will people

1264
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 3: will recognize hard work.

1265
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 4: What do you think about the current Sacramento Kings. You

1266
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 4: know they had.

1267
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 1: Two years ago, they had some spark. They happened to

1268
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:55,800
Speaker 1: run into them warriors. Last year was a little step back.

1269
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: They had some injuries, little nickknack injuries. They kind of

1270
01:11:58,439 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 1: holding them back.

1271
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 4: But they add a piece like the Marty Rosa.

1272
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 1: To their team this year, which I feel like is

1273
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 1: gonna be a big, big step up for them. What

1274
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 1: do you think about they team this year and what

1275
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 1: they could do this year.

1276
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:15,679
Speaker 3: I think they're dangerous. I think they are. They're skilled,

1277
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:19,639
Speaker 3: They've they're deep. I think the only the only position

1278
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 3: that I wish they have addressed is to have a

1279
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:27,679
Speaker 3: rim protector. Yeah, another big another, another big man, someone

1280
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 3: that defensively, defensively protect the rim or and secure the rebounds.

1281
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 3: But offensively, I think offensively a sky is limited for that.

1282
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 3: Like you you don't know who to guard, like, I mean,

1283
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 3: like you have. I was just watching the other night,

1284
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:49,639
Speaker 3: like based on the data, the Rosen and Fox were

1285
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:53,599
Speaker 3: the two most clutch performers in the league last year

1286
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 3: and now they're and now they're on the same team.

1287
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:56,679
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1288
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 3: So I mean assuming that Keegan Murray is gonna take

1289
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 3: at another step up. I mean obviously who's amazing and uh,

1290
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 3: I think Kevin Peter, I think he if if he

1291
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 3: gets his confidence back, they could use his shooting being

1292
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 3: able to space the space the floor because now you

1293
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:25,719
Speaker 3: have like guys that can they can break down the defense.

1294
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 3: And I think having Kevin and Keegan spreading the court,

1295
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:34,759
Speaker 3: it will help Fox and the rosen uh to operate.

1296
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I like it.

1297
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:39,719
Speaker 5: Just one of the questions I like to ask Phase.

1298
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 5: You know, we know you can told us how you

1299
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 5: came over and you had to take care of your

1300
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 5: family and get them straight. I won't hear about you

1301
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 5: spending no money on mom du some popping them for

1302
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:50,679
Speaker 5: the house. I want to know some of the page

1303
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 5: you look back on, like I was crazy for spending

1304
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 5: his money for this right here, but it felt good

1305
01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 5: in the moment.

1306
01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 4: And did it for yourself? Yeah, you did it for yoursel?

1307
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, like so what when you got the bag and

1308
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 5: he was comfortable enough at you know, certain things.

1309
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 4: Taken care of.

1310
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 5: How how it page your treat himself? What did you do?

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Speaker 5: Was it was it the.

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Speaker 1: Flag year, was it the fly suits? Was it a

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Speaker 1: nice car? You know, you know watch I seen that

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Speaker 1: watch on you know, saying that watch. Yeah you're not yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's listen. We all have been through that phase where

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Speaker 3: where now. I just the other night I was talking

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Speaker 3: to some of my friends and they were like asking me,

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Speaker 3: what was the feeling being able to go out there

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Speaker 3: and buy anything. I think at the time, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I can't say I was. I was smart to know,

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Speaker 3: but I felt like I had the access to a

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Speaker 3: lot of things. Happily, I've I've had really really strong parents.

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Speaker 3: They've always kept me ground, that kept me humble, always

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Speaker 3: reminded me where I came from. But I mean, we

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Speaker 3: all have done purchases that we like regret to this day.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I mean that's what we do.

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Speaker 3: We we all bought the cars, we drove off of

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Speaker 3: the lot and said like, why do I need this car? Yes,

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Speaker 3: it's clothing, it's watches, it's it's uh but it's clubs

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Speaker 3: with the friends, and it's we have done all of that.

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Speaker 3: It's it's it's part of it. But at some point,

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Speaker 3: you know, you just have to understand that when the

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Speaker 3: when the ball stops. There's a real life, and there's

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Speaker 3: a real life and uh and I think we all

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Speaker 3: have gone through a transition of adjusting to a real

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Speaker 3: life because when the ball stops, nobody calls you anymore.

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Speaker 3: And check stops too, definitely stop coming too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so you do.

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Speaker 3: So I think for me it was the more so prepared,

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Speaker 3: being prepared for the life after basketball. I think for

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Speaker 3: me that was like that was important. Like I became

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Speaker 3: a father at the age of twenty seven and for

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Speaker 3: the first time, and it wasn't just me anymore. It

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Speaker 3: was understanding that I have a family, that I have

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Speaker 3: kids that I have to take care of, and that

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Speaker 3: was my mindset at the time.

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Speaker 7: M hm, well, I right, man, We're gonna wrap that up.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 5: We appreciate you for spending time, taking the time out

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Speaker 5: to chop it up with us. Man, this was super

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Speaker 5: dope to get to hear some of the little gim

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Speaker 5: but man, y'all tap in. We got Paige in the building,

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Speaker 5: mister Stoyakovich.

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Speaker 4: We appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: Guys.

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Speaker 2: It was a pleasure. It was a pleasure of.

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Speaker 3: Talking hoops with you guys, and I mean, congrats and

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Speaker 3: all the success. This is a huge, huge jump in

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Speaker 3: an amazing transition that you have cutross the world from

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Speaker 3: from playing getting it to the media and uh and

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Speaker 3: just you know, doing a doing an awesome job.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate it, definitely appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Keep up the good road, guys all.

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