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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, this is Teddy Mellencamp and I'm joined by

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Speaker 1: my friend Emily Simpson for our new spin off show

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Speaker 1: Popping Off, where we are digging deep on this season

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Speaker 1: of vander Pump Rules.

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Speaker 2: Hi everyone, welcome to another episode of Popping Off. Today

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Speaker 2: it's me Emily and Teddy is not here, so we

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Speaker 2: have Gina. I feel like I don't even have to

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Speaker 2: say your last name. You're like share no.

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Speaker 3: Also because most people can't stay my last.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly all right. So today in headlines, we have

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Speaker 2: some vander Pump headlines. Jack Taylor grabs lunch with model

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Speaker 2: Page Wooland after Britney Cartwright split. This was a Page

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Speaker 2: six article. The Valley star and the model were photographed

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Speaker 2: at Granville Cafe in Los Angeles on Saturday for a

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Speaker 2: three hour lunch date. Woolan arrived in a libousine to

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Speaker 2: pick up the reality star from the home he shares

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Speaker 2: with his estranged wife, Britney Cartwright. Their afternoon day comes

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Speaker 2: after the vander Pump Rules. A lum was spotted getting

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Speaker 2: cozy with a mystery woman at the Oaks Tavern in

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Speaker 2: Sherman Oaks, California, the night before her TMZ the father

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Speaker 2: of one, arrived at the bar with the woman and

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Speaker 2: a group of friends around eleven pm, before the two

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Speaker 2: left together at one am. However, it's unclear if the

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Speaker 2: unidentified female was Wooln and other Jackson Page news and

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Speaker 2: a clip that surfaced online from Ariana's brother Jeremy's birthday party,

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Speaker 2: which was at Jackson's bar. After Jacks tells Jeremy, I

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Speaker 2: love you, Page shouts and I'm pregnant, sparking fan backlash,

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Speaker 2: assuming Page was making a dig at Brittany, who had

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Speaker 2: been expressing that she wants another child. Okay, there was

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Speaker 2: a lot to unpack there. First of all, we have

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Speaker 2: the model, so he's apparently dating a model. Now, I

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Speaker 2: don't know what's your thoughts on Jack's here. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's not surprising.

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Speaker 4: Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 3: I saw this, and that was my exact reaction, like, oh, naturally,

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Speaker 3: you know, I mean, you're really he's a leopard. He's spotty,

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Speaker 3: he's not hiding them. I mean, maybe credit for not

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Speaker 3: pretending like he's a good person. I don't know, you know,

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Speaker 3: for just me who you are, right right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you got it. I mean, yeah, let's give it

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Speaker 2: props for just being who he is right, just embracing it.

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Speaker 3: Right, but like, obviously it's incredibly insensitive and like I

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Speaker 3: just you know me, I'm a proponent for putting your

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Speaker 3: not in the best that's just poor taste.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: Even if you're going to start dating someone, just keep them.

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Speaker 3: My god, even my ex when he started dating Britain didn't.

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Speaker 3: They were like very covert about it. They weren't going

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Speaker 3: to the quiet woman I'm.

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Speaker 2: Great now and he wasn't getting picked up in a

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Speaker 2: limousine outside your house.

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Speaker 3: I think I was beating Travis for like a long

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Speaker 3: time before I put anything on my Instagram whatever, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, Like, yeah, you know, I did see the little

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Speaker 2: clip of where she says and I'm pregnant, and I

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Speaker 2: don't know if I would go as far as saying

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Speaker 2: it was a dig at Brittany. I think she thought

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Speaker 3: So I's single, He's singled too, right, So it's like

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Speaker 3: or whatever their situation is to like, I just feel like,

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Speaker 3: you can't go after this woman unless it's very unless

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Speaker 3: you know for a fact that it was intentionally a

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Speaker 3: shot at the mother of his child exactly.

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Speaker 2: Sheena interviewed Michelle and Janet from The Valley. Sheena reacts

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Speaker 2: to Jack saying that he doesn't want Sena and Lala

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Speaker 2: thinks she's just afraid of them calling him out on

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Speaker 2: this shit they actually know. Sena also claims that Brittany

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Speaker 2: has not thrown up since she's separated from Jack's Jackson

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Speaker 2: is trying to take down couples on the show, specifically

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Speaker 2: Nia and Danny, because they look so perfect on the outside.

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Speaker 2: Janet was warned before she started filming that Jacks would

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Speaker 2: I do know Jack said that he didn't want I

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Speaker 2: they came on The Valley, you're talking about seasoned reality

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Speaker 2: stories that have been on TV for ten years, and

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Speaker 2: if you're talking about the Valley. You have new people,

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Speaker 2: and I think maybe that's the charm of it, and

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Speaker 2: so they are they're not, you know, trying to get

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know what's your take on it.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it would be good with other VPR

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Speaker 4: I mean, it would be for sure.

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Speaker 3: I think that I don't think that Jacks is honestly

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's gonna take They're gonna eat him up.

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Speaker 3: But I think Jacks is used to that, and I

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Speaker 3: probably wanting to be the lead role. But then the

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Speaker 3: how that's a little bit messy. With that said, I

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Speaker 2: I agree one hundred percent with that one. Tom Schwartz

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Speaker 2: talks about Joe's lying problem on the When Reality Hits podcast.

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Speaker 2: Joe randomly lied to Schwartz about babysitting for the executive

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Speaker 2: tell Schwartz the things that Joe had lied about. She

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Speaker 2: about Kristen's dog dying. Brittany doesn't even have her number.

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Speaker 2: On Kristen's podcast with her boyfriend Luke Balancing Act, Luke

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Speaker 2: actually knows who cuts his hair. It's her friend Rihanna. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so basically we have you know Joe would likes to

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Speaker 2: so he's coming up with this that she lies. I

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Speaker 2: I don't know if she's just trying to impress people

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'll be honest, she does have some she

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Speaker 3: has some ground to make up with regards to her

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Speaker 4: I've had a joke, and you know, they it isn't

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Speaker 3: Good thing to throw out there for redemption, you know,

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Speaker 4: Seems like maybe she needed some redemption there. But like

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Speaker 3: Is he he got too into deep with this girl

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Speaker 3: lie a little. I would like to extract myself from this.

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Speaker 3: And we know, Emily, what if like to try to

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Speaker 2: Do, no, and especially what it's being played out on TV.

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Speaker 2: So I think that he's now retroactively going back and

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Speaker 3: But it's like you were pulling away, but you were

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Speaker 4: Very like, we're in love, don't worry, We're in a relationship.

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Speaker 3: You're my whatever person we have our and he gets

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Speaker 3: to stump pulling her Joseph.

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Speaker 2: I know, I know.

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Speaker 3: I know it's their thing, but like every time when

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Speaker 3: that's like embarrassing for her, Like, don't drop the act.

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Speaker 3: You don't if you're not in it with her, don't

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Speaker 3: Well, And if you love me and you're invested in

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Speaker 2: Let's move on to the vander Pump Rules reunion and

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Speaker 2: we are about to recap part three. Who So Arianna

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Speaker 2: starts to tear up when she talks about how hard

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I have a hard time with Arianna, and then

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Speaker 2: I actually felt for her. Very much so, and kind

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Speaker 3: So one hundred percent yeah, And I mean, like the

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Speaker 3: reality is, it was three months after the whole scandabal happened.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, I mean you know where I was three

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Speaker 3: Drag round there, goog, I couldn't find that address, you know,

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Speaker 4: Seat at that time.

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Speaker 3: Like I honestly, I do give her credit for showing

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Speaker 3: in a room with him, he makes miss skinkrawl. I

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Speaker 4: And I think that's really valid, right, It's.

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Speaker 3: call it what it is. It's definitely shittier for Lalla

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00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 3: than it is for Ariannah because he didn't look good

437
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 3: for Lalla. And you and I both know what it's

438
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 3: like at the end of a season and a pressure

439
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,639
Speaker 3: cooker and you are just like saying how you feel

440
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,680
Speaker 3: and it's like the word Raman's coming out, and you're

441
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 3: frustrated and your emotion on your anger and you're relieving

442
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 3: and you.

443
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,880
Speaker 4: Don't really even't necessarily mean all of it.

444
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 3: And I think Laala was being very true in that

445
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 3: moment of how she felt. But I don't really think

446
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 3: that that's how Lalla feels. I just think, once again,

447
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:09,199
Speaker 3: she's expressing a frustration about all of this situation in

448
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 3: its entirety, but she's putting it on Ariana and that's

449
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 3: her Missy. I think that's her critical.

450
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 2: Error error, right, And I think that was I think

451
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 2: that's where Lala is. She's getting backlash from that, and

452
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:22,439
Speaker 2: I think, but then.

453
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 3: Lala is the only one who wanted to say what

454
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 3: they were clearly all staying.

455
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 2: Behind her back, right, I mean, I totally see both

456
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 2: sides of this. I completely understand Lala's frustration as someone

457
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,920
Speaker 2: who's been on a reality show for multiple years and

458
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 2: you do do a lot of talking offline and when

459
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 2: you're not filming, and you know that people feel a

460
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 2: certain way about other people, and then the cameras come

461
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 2: back up and you start filming and you're like, wait

462
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 2: a minute, this is not what you were saying weeks

463
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,679
Speaker 2: ago or months ago. So I understand that frustration. I

464
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 2: think her downfall was the fact that and was Sheena

465
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 2: as well, was that none of them actually had that

466
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 2: honest conversation, and during the season when the show was

467
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 2: playing out, they didn't talk about their frustration with her.

468
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 2: They didn't talk about how they were upset or things

469
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 2: that Katie had said previously, or confronted Katie about it,

470
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 2: or tried to have an honest conversation about it. It

471
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 2: just all blew up at the end, and Arianna had

472
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 2: no idea about how this was how people felt. So

473
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 2: to get blindsided by that at the end, I think

474
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 2: that's where Laala and Sheena probably went wrong.

475
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think one hundred percent yes, And they fear

476
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 3: right like they should have just been talking about it,

477
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 3: because it does seem like a normal frustration that they

478
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,199
Speaker 3: would be having. And so to say nothing and then

479
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 3: to have the reunion happen, and like you expect and

480
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 3: what do you expect from Marianna, Like he's not going

481
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 3: to be like, Okay, I'm going to have a conversation

482
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 3: with you, Like.

483
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 4: There is no part of me that would.

484
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 3: Have been able to do that or wanted to do that,

485
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 3: and would do it for a paycheck, you know what

486
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 3: I mean? So I get her point of view, but

487
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 3: they're but I get their frustration too. But yeah, then

488
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 3: they should have been just brave enough to talk about it,

489
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 3: because it's not even like they needed to say anything

490
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 3: that bad. They needed to just be honest, which was

491
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 3: look more frustrated that everything's.

492
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 4: About Ariana right now.

493
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 3: We're over here, we're trying to do all our life

494
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 3: and make money and whatever, and and we're just a

495
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 3: little frustrated by it, you know, And then it would

496
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 3: have played better. Like I just I did feel I

497
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 3: felt bad for La La. I did, But I also

498
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 3: I think she it was the specific comments that sunk

499
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 3: her too. It's like, and she wasn't saying Arianna thinks

500
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 3: she's God. She was saying, now she's got because everybody

501
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 3: else put her on the pedestal, right, but like that's

502
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 3: even a separate issue to be and but to say

503
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:49,719
Speaker 3: directly Arianna thinks she's Beyonce, I don't that one like

504
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 3: that was directed at her, And none of this backlash

505
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 3: should be directed at a girl that got completely three months.

506
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 2: Prior, and a girl who made it clear the entire

507
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 2: season that she wasn't going to sit down. She had boundaries.

508
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 2: She told everybody what those boundaries were. She wasn't going

509
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 2: to film with them, she wasn't going to have a

510
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 2: conversation with him, and she stuck to it, and then

511
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 2: everybody was frustrated that she stuck to what she said

512
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 2: she was going to stick to.

513
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're so right.

514
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like you you should like, Yes, he need

515
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 3: it very clear. I'm setting a boundary. Do not cross

516
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 3: my boundary because it's not I will not move off

517
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 3: of this. And she did that exact thing to the

518
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 3: very end, and now people are mad at her for it.

519
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 3: It doesn't check out right.

520
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 2: So when the flashbacks start, as well as giving her spiel,

521
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 2: I actually enjoyed her monologue, it causes many of them

522
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 2: to tear up. When Sandoval heard himself say that last line,

523
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 2: it was good for me, he shook his head, knowing

524
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 2: he shouldn't have said that. Arianna heard that line and

525
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 2: knew her point was proven. You know, I, Sandoval, I

526
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 2: swear every time the scale starts to tip a little bit,

527
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 2: I feel like in his favor, or maybe he's starting

528
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 2: to look human, or he's starting to look like he's

529
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 2: you know, learned something or he's grown. He just says

530
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,239
Speaker 2: something ridiculous, and then you just go he goes all

531
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 2: the way back to square one. Right, Oh, the is

532
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 2: Darius theurious?

533
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean it's all just there's nothing you

534
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 3: even have to say, because it really just that just

535
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 3: explained itself.

536
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 2: Right.

537
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 3: It's like he was right to now do that, because

538
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 3: all he is looking for is for a way to

539
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 3: make this better. I don't understand why we're giving him

540
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 3: any even three seconds more of attention, Like you want

541
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 3: to do that, you want to You disrespected your cast nets,

542
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 3: you thinked your show, You violated your trust with your

543
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 3: girlfriend that you lived with, and in the most horrible,

544
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 3: trashy way, and now you want everybody to be like, okay,

545
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 3: but we forgive you.

546
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 4: Let's move on and keep making money. And now I

547
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 4: have so much attention and fame and it makes me look. No,

548
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 4: you don't get everything.

549
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 2: Man. Santoval tries to tell Arianna that she knows him

550
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: well enough to know he's not acting. She doesn't believe

551
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 2: that she knows him well at all. Arianna says the

552
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 2: line that we've been seeing in all the teasers. I

553
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 2: just want you away from me. I just want you gone.

554
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 2: Arianna says, there was never a time that he tried

555
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 2: talking to her off camera, and he doesn't deny this either.

556
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 2: Sandalbal emphasizes that this is their job, so now we

557
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 2: know the line they show over and over. I just

558
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 2: want you away from me, and him saying you, I

559
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 2: mean when he was saying to her, Arianna, you know me.

560
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 2: You know I'm not acting. I'm thinking you were the

561
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 2: guy that had an affair behind her back for seven

562
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 2: months and you hid it, right?

563
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 3: And also why is it her why did her responsibility

564
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 3: to validate him as a person when once again, he

565
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 3: is not the victim.

566
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 4: He is the perpetrator. She is the victim of.

567
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 3: His crimes, and now the victim has to validate him.

568
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 4: No, it doesn't. Life doesn't work like that, honey.

569
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: Sandoval finally gets his apology through to Ariana, saying he

570
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: regrets what he did every single day and wears it

571
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: as a badge of shame. Again, does he regret it

572
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 2: because it became a global incident that everybody was talking

573
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 2: about and he can't go anywhere without looking like, you know,

574
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: a scorned like who he is? Like all.

575
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 3: You got to look like who you really are inside,

576
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 3: the fake person, the veneer that you've been trying to

577
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 3: put up.

578
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: So I don't know what Star, if there's really any

579
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 2: weight you do. I don't know if there's any weight

580
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 2: to his apology.

581
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: No.

582
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 3: I feel like if he really he needs to just

583
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 3: take time and and get away from it and work

584
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 3: on himself. Right, if he really wanted to change, he

585
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 3: probably would have said, you know what, this year, I'm

586
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 3: not going to do the show or I'm really going

587
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 3: to try to really a change.

588
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 4: And if he really didn't he really And first of all,

589
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 4: it's been ten minutes.

590
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 3: You want people to feel bad for you because after

591
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 3: three months you've been wearing it, You've been wearing this

592
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 3: for a full three months, your affair with longer than that.

593
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 3: You know, it's insane to me. But then also it's

594
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 3: like you, if you really were changing, you would be

595
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 3: sitting there and saying, you know what I mean. I

596
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 3: don't want anything for Mariana.

597
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 4: I want it just is what it is.

598
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 3: I'm willing to accept these laughings and this whatever it is,

599
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 3: for as long as it comes, because I'm the one

600
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 3: who did it.

601
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 2: So here's the thing I do remember, not in the reunion,

602
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: but I think in one of the episodes, Tom does

603
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: claim that he tried to talk to Ariana off camera,

604
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 2: but then at the reunion when she said, you've never

605
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: tried to talk to me off camera. If you really

606
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: were authentic about apologizing and wanting to tell me something,

607
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 2: you had multiple opportunities to do it. We're in the

608
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 2: same home. We were. You know, I was in the kitchen,

609
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 2: you were over here. You could have said something to me.

610
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 2: You never did. You're just trying to get your moment

611
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: on TV. And I think that's a really valid, valid

612
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: thing that she says, because he didn't deny it in

613
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 2: the reunion. Unless they cut it out, I don't know,

614
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: but as far as what we see as a viewer,

615
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: he doesn't dispute that. He doesn't say, no, I did

616
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: try to talk to you. I did try to apologize.

617
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 2: So without him arguing that point, she makes a very valid,

618
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 2: persuasive point that you've had many opportunities and he never

619
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 2: took it. So clearly, yeah, this apology is nothing more

620
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 2: than you want your thirty seconds of TV time so

621
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: that the world sees it. Right.

622
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like even if he did try one time,

623
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: it's appropriate for her to be like kick Rocks and

624
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 3: like now it's her fault that like what you can

625
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 3: only try what your you only get you tried?

626
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 4: Are you keeping me?

627
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: Like?

628
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 4: Try again? Man?

629
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 3: Or like she said, write a letter, leave a letter

630
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 3: like right, you shouldn't reading a letter every day.

631
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has a journal. He's journaling every day, dear

632
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 2: Arianna at the top.

633
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 4: Right, and then rip it out and leave it.

634
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 2: In the then fold it and leave it there. Yes,

635
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 2: Arianna was deeply hurt by what Laala said. She was

636
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: being authentic to her life. She didn't want to confront

637
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: Sandival because she wouldn't have done that in her real life.

638
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 2: Lala compares her divorce to Ariana and stand of all situation.

639
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 2: Laala didn't get sympathy from most of the cast. Lala

640
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: was livid the night Ariana left. Laala loves to film

641
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 2: this show. She's thankful for the opportunities it's given her,

642
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 2: and she needs people to respect her position on the show.

643
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 2: You know, my thought on this is, I understand that

644
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 2: this show is your bread and butter and you need

645
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 2: everyone else, but you can't ask other people to do

646
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 2: things in a way that you want them to do

647
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 2: so that you benefit from the show. When you're on

648
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 2: a cast and it's an ensemble cast. You can't control

649
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 2: other people. You can't control what they think is authentic,

650
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: what they say, what they do you and I know that.

651
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 2: So I think even bringing that up and even mentioning

652
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 2: that and talking about that and making it about herself

653
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: in that moment, like I need you to step up

654
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: to the plate because I need to be on this show,

655
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: it just seemed like a selfish ask in that moment.

656
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 2: I don't think it looked good for her.

657
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's digging in, is the problem, you know.

658
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 3: And it's like comparing it to her relationship. She can't

659
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 3: really because nobody had a relationship with her ex, you know,

660
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 3: so that element that relationship and situation is completely different

661
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 3: number one and her ex wasn't a CAT member, so

662
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 3: it's just so different. I really wish and I know

663
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 3: that it wasn't going to happen because I get it.

664
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 3: Her choices were to eat it or dig in. And

665
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 3: I know Lala is a digging kind of girl, which

666
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 3: I expected about her, But in that moment, I would

667
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 3: have liked to have seen her. When I was watching it,

668
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 3: I was like, just apologize and just say, you know,

669
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 3: actually I'm the things that I said. It was hurtful

670
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 3: and it was misdirected anger.

671
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 4: And I really wasn't hurt angry at you.

672
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 3: I was angry at the position that I was put in,

673
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 3: that we were all put in, And I was more

674
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 3: worried about myself than I was about you at.

675
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 4: That time, and I'm sorry for that.

676
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,239
Speaker 3: You know, like, it's okay to be human and it's

677
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 3: okay to make mistakes.

678
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 4: I feel like the audience actually likes.

679
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 3: It more when you just keep it real and just

680
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 3: admit when you messed up.

681
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 4: Because at the end of the day.

682
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 3: What has Ariana really done to Lala to deserve taking

683
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 3: those kind of shots?

684
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 4: You know?

685
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think Lala went wrong where she doubled

686
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 2: down in that moment double down. It's the double down

687
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 2: that got her. It's you're right, like, in that moment,

688
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: she could have just she could have just backed off

689
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: and shown a little you know, softness and humanity and said, look,

690
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 2: I was just super frustrated in that moment and I

691
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: just lost it. But yeah, looking back, it was too much.

692
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: I was out of line. I understand that you have

693
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 2: your boundaries and you stick to those, but Laala doubled

694
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: down on that one, especially.

695
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 3: When when you're like, Okay, this is the line where

696
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 3: in the sand, I'm going to go this way or

697
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 3: that way, and you.

698
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 4: Go hard the one way and nobody is coming with you.

699
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 4: That's time like put down your weapon and apart.

700
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 2: So Ariana argues that her leaving that night was arguably

701
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 2: a better ending for the show than if she had

702
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 2: sat there and took it. I don't know, do you agree.

703
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 2: I feel like it ended the way it was supposed

704
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: to end.

705
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I don't think it was like necessarily better,

706
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 3: but I do think that it was authentic, you know.

707
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 4: I think that, yeah, And I think that, you.

708
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 3: Know, if she had sat down with him, I do

709
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 3: think that he would have done the water works and YadA, YadA, YadA,

710
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 3: and honestly, people probably would have just torn him apart.

711
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,479
Speaker 3: But like that's not her responsibility, you know, Like her,

712
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 3: she really does have to look out for herself and

713
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 3: protect herself and her heart. And I get that she

714
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 3: wouldn't be trusting of anybody. I mean, you have to

715
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 3: you have, like everybody probably knew what was going on

716
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 3: also with you know, I'm that's part of what I

717
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 3: was thinking, was like, and I understand that production cannot

718
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 3: get involved in say anything. But like, definitely, people probably

719
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 3: knew that was happening. Wait, you know before Arianna knew.

720
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 3: And I can understand her not even feeling safe in

721
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 3: this victim anymore.

722
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 2: You know, Katie has even said that Arianna and Sandoval,

723
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: we're not showing the true colors of the relationship on

724
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 2: this show. Lala gets up and starts to walk away

725
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,240
Speaker 2: when she feels like Shena isn't answering an honest question.

726
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 2: Lala feels like she's the only one being truthful, and

727
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 2: she's over it. This is when Lala was just having

728
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: a breakdown. She's just over it. Sina looks like she's

729
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: gonna shit her pants. We've already said, but she looks

730
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: like that the entire time.

731
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 3: I mean, she's she's oh life.

732
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 2: I mean, you could tell that she is just I

733
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: can I can imagine that her looking back and forth,

734
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 2: that she's looking at Ariana to see what her reaction

735
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 2: is to everything, like are we good? Are we cool?

736
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 2: Are we not? You can tell she's afraid to answer

737
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: the questions that Lala was posing to her, like you

738
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 2: did this, Remember when you said this, you said she

739
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 2: didn't show up her stuff and she's like, I not,

740
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 2: I don't know.

741
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's tough for her shoes, very yeah.

742
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 3: And then she's looking at Lala the same way because

743
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,919
Speaker 3: she's walking the line with both of those women, and

744
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 3: it's hard when you don't just when you're straddling it right,

745
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 3: tough place to be right. So it's like and like

746
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 3: Katie clearly just was riding with Ariana, so she was

747
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 3: in like a position of she when you just pick

748
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 3: a thide, it's easier, and Sina was trying to.

749
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 2: Not strat all. She was straddling.

750
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 4: That's the scirit. How long can you hold a split?

751
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 2: My god, that's a long straddle.

752
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 4: That's a long crattle.

753
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 2: Lisa stands up for Ariana, saying she did show up

754
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: this season and stated, sometimes it's okay to walk away.

755
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 2: You know, I agree with Lisa when she came in

756
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,439
Speaker 2: there and said that she did show up. She did,

757
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 2: she filmed, she had boundaries, She said what her boundaries were.

758
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: She made it very clear that's her true, authentic self.

759
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: There's nothing more that you can ask someone on a

760
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 2: reality show than to say what they really feel, think,

761
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,720
Speaker 2: what their boundaries are. She did that. So that's where we're.

762
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 4: Up even was vulnerable.

763
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 3: Like the last show that we discussed was the one

764
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 3: where she was losing her crap on him, and that

765
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 3: one was like, ooh, like herd to watch because I

766
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 3: was like for her fake, like I don't want her

767
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,919
Speaker 3: to have that.

768
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 2: Much heat, end it up.

769
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 4: But also that was honest, you know, like that's real.

770
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 4: And so she did show up to work. She could

771
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 4: have just been like, no, I'm good, I'm good, I have.

772
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 3: My boyfriend, this doesn't even FaZe me whatever, and then

773
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 3: athak her shit, doesn't see but she wasn't.

774
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 4: She was there, She was present, and she was sharing

775
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 4: her truth right.

776
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 2: Sandoval thanks everyone for giving him somewhat of a chance

777
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: this season. La La thinks her honesty has put her

778
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: friendships with Katie and Arianna in the er, and she

779
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: says that she's okay with that. Sheena acknowledges that La

780
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 2: La was her rock this season, and she appologizes for

781
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 2: not speaking out enough. Schwartz tells the entire cast that

782
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: they're his family and he loves them. I don't I could,

783
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 2: you know. I got a little cheery eyed at the

784
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 2: end because it felt like the end of not just

785
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 2: the end of of the season, but the end of

786
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 2: the show with monologue and the flashbacks, So you know,

787
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going to happen. I mean that

788
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: we're all just waiting and seeing what they're going to

789
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 2: do with this show. I don't know how you go

790
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 2: on from here with this cast. I have no idea.

791
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 2: It's very broken, and.

792
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what Arianna is going on to maker,

793
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 3: but right she's doing a second stint on Broadway, so

794
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 3: I don't know if that budget.

795
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 4: Can't afford her anymore, so she might be you.

796
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 3: Know, that might change things, and maybe some of the

797
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 3: vander Pumpers go over to the valley and that's.

798
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 4: Just kind of the reroute. But yeah, I agree with

799
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 4: you did.

800
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 3: It felt like the closing out of the Shout felt

801
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 3: like the like the whole series finale.

802
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 4: Exactly, you know.

803
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 3: I mean, they definitely put a stamp on it so

804
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 3: that maybe they don't know if it's over or not now,

805
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 3: but if it is, they wrapped it up.

806
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I was like, maybe

807
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 2: they just said, let's wrap this up and because we

808
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 2: don't know what's going to happen. So yeah, but it's

809
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 2: not over, guys.

810
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 4: Huh. They said it's not over. Yeah, but but yeah,

811
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 4: but it did. It did.

812
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 3: Time to breathe is good, but it did feel like

813
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 3: a Swan.

814
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 4: Song, you know. It felt like they definitely need time

815
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 4: to breathe for sure.

816
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 3: And sometimes the ducks will settle and it will continue

817
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 3: on it, but it will just look different and that's entertaining.

818
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 2: So yeah, you know a lot of times I feel

819
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 2: like when they do give a pause in there, it's

820
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: because they need people to breathe. They need people to

821
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: go live their lives. They need them to do whatever

822
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 2: they need to do so that when they come back

823
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 2: it's fresh.

824
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 3: So, I mean, we had a pause, we had a

825
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 3: pause last year, and now we're about to come out

826
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 3: with our what I think is going to be the

827
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 3: best seasons you or I have hung to the show.

828
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 2: So it's gonna be the best season in eighteen years.

829
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, so Oxygen help. Yeah, Yeah, that's right.

830
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 2: They in the night by doing a toast with the

831
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 2: something about her sandwiches and and Kyle Chan are the

832
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 2: people who bring them out to everyone. Okay, I just

833
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 2: have to say this. They bring the sandwiches out and

834
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 2: makes her appearance, and then Sandoval has to go up

835
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 2: and make some ridiculous comment to her about make sure

836
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 2: you clean up after this, and then yeah, and then

837
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 2: he's like, I'm just joking, And I was like, can

838
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 2: you not, like, for five minutes, can you not be

839
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 2: a douche? Just yeah, you can't.

840
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 4: No be funnier. If you're gonna be funny, you got it.

841
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 2: You have to be wittier and you you have to

842
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: be able to land your jokes better. Because every joke

843
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 2: he tried to get out there during this three part

844
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 2: reunion there were some really cringey ones that I just know.

845
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 2: I was just like, I had like secondhand embarrassment. And

846
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 2: then he makes that cheesy face after he says it,

847
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 2: and he's like so.

848
00:40:59,360 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 4: Proud of him.

849
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm like, oh, oh god.

850
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 4: He's a comedian, like he's a rock star.

851
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. The night ends with Arianna and Katie

852
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 2: walking out of the studio together and Sheena comforting La La.

853
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 2: Lines look like they have been drawn. I think we

854
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 2: definitely have some you know, black and white lines. Definitely.

855
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 2: Lala just wants to bake a baby and live a

856
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 2: happy life. So yeah, we'll see what happens.

857
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 3: I felt it for Tina because the problem is like

858
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 3: he knew that he didn't stick up enough for Laala.

859
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 3: He knows what he has been saying offline, and she

860
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 3: didn't stick up enough for Ariana. So it's like she

861
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 3: really didn't choose a side. And I think in that

862
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 3: moment she knows that she probably let both sides down.

863
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 3: And then you have everybody mad at you, and that's

864
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 3: that's a crappy feeling. Yeah, is very supportive of her, though.

865
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 3: I hope he is what you have to do and

866
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 3: you did a great babe, Like he's very nice to her.

867
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 2: Hi, guys, welcome to the recap of the Valley. Here

868
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 2: are some of our best moments of the Valley. We're

869
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: back in Big Bear preparing for Janet's baby moon. There's

870
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: a three hundred dollars baby Necessity's tiered cake. Britney says

871
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 2: Jack's apologize. She then brings up to Michelle that Jack's

872
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 2: talk to her about the rumors. Michelle says Jesse is

873
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 2: doing okay in therapy, but now he's too all over her.

874
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 2: She says she's not really attracted to Jesse anymore. Everything

875
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: he does just bugs her. Michelle cries because she wants

876
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: to feel what she used to feel. For him. She

877
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,439
Speaker 2: worries if something does happen between them, she'll be seen

878
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 2: as the bad guy. Okay, So Brittany says, Jack's apologize.

879
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 2: That's good, he should have. I mean the way he

880
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 2: talks to her is just like you know, you're on

881
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: TV and you just don't care.

882
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, he just really lets it all out. He doesn't

883
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 4: hear him. That's the problem.

884
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 3: He needs a funnel, an audio funnel that goes back

885
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 3: to him, you know, like right, I don't know, yeah,

886
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 3: because he doesn't understand how to communicate, like period.

887
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 4: Right.

888
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: And then when Michelle admits that like she's not attracted

889
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 2: to Jesse anymore, I was like, this relationship this is

890
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 2: to me. I mean, obviously we know that they're separated,

891
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 2: but in that moment, it's like, you know, she's completely

892
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 2: checked out. There's no way He's literally.

893
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 4: Saying, I don't want to be in my marriage.

894
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 2: Right. While the women finish setting up, the men are

895
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 2: still on the boat where they prank Jesse as he

896
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 2: goes to the bathroom and they leave him on the platform.

897
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 2: Back at the house, the women finally surprise Janet with

898
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 2: her baby moon party. They play a baby themed game

899
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,919
Speaker 2: where they have a chug. Oh, they have to chug

900
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 2: the water from a baby bottle. The women share labor

901
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: horror stories with Janet, and when the men finally arrive home,

902
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 2: Danny is wasted. I did feel badly for Janet because

903
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 2: she's like, you know, excited about having a baby, and

904
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: then they just show this montage of all the women

905
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 2: like I was a labor for two days.

906
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 4: Horrible, horrible, horrible.

907
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, let me hear these worst stories of youth. Yeah,

908
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 3: like not what you want to hear, especially your first

909
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 3: when you're looking at that belly, Like, I understand this

910
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 3: has to come out, but I don't understand how it's going.

911
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 4: To come out.

912
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 2: Exactly. That night, Jana is having and everybody dress up

913
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 2: as their partner's fantasy for dinner party. Nia was going

914
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 2: to be ranch dressing, but she states that her costume

915
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: doesn't come in time. Danny is Jamie Fraser from Outlander.

916
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 2: I have to say I am a huge Outlander fan,

917
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: so I have watched that series twice now and I

918
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: do love Jamie Fraser, so I was like, oh, oh, oh,

919
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: that's my fantasy. Jana is Vanilla. I mean, is Jason

920
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 2: a big Vanilla fan? Is that what that was.

921
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't I don't understand that.

922
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I understand. Jason is a hot dog because

923
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 2: Janet loves hot dogs and corn dogs. Oh, I get it.

924
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 2: Oh because you like the sex vanilla. That's right, because

925
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: then he talks about how he's Yeah, he's done.

926
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 4: He gives what man, he's right right.

927
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 2: Michelle is a booty call. That's what she wore the

928
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 2: first night they hooked up. Jesse is Harry Styles, Brittany

929
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 2: is a puck bunny, Jackson is an NBA player, Jasmine

930
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 2: is Killanny, and as Danny tries to be in character,

931
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 2: Jesse says he's learned one thing this summer that Danny

932
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 2: is a terrible actor. Okay, if you had to dress

933
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 2: up as as Travis's fantasy for this party, what would

934
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 2: you dress up as?

935
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 4: Oh honestly, I just go with myself. I swear the.

936
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: Man loved me like he's just obsessed. Yeah, he's obsessed

937
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: with Gina.

938
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 4: What are you going as well? I do?

939
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I do say Shane is obsessed with me.

940
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 2: We've been married for fifteen years and he is obsessed.

941
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 2: But one butt or I would go as Carmen Electra

942
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 2: because we all know Shane's been a huge Carmen electric

943
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 2: fan since the minute when I first met Shane and

944
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 2: we worked together. He had Carmen Electra as his screensaver

945
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 2: at the office. So huge, Karmen Electra. Who would travels

946
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: me for you?

947
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 4: Oh? Like, what's mine?

948
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? What would your fan be?

949
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 4: You know this already, it's gonna be yeah.

950
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: Uh, what's his name? Jimmy Kimmel? Yeah, I forgot ballad.

951
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 2: That's right, right, Yeah, everyone's confused about that one, but

952
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 2: that's okay. She likes the she likes the comedic man.

953
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 2: Michelle brings up Nia and Danny's house search. Nia wants

954
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 2: to stay in the Hollywood Weho area. Danny is saying

955
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 2: the valley is what they can afford. He says, raise

956
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 2: your hand if you have three kids. He actually said

957
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 2: this multiple He's like, raise and if you have three kids.

958
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 2: Nia tells him to stop. Jasmine says he's not listening

959
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: to his wife. M okay, let me ask you this

960
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: question though, because I have I can see both sides

961
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: on this. So Nia always wants to shut up Danny. Like,

962
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: I feel like she's very well, she's very poised, she's

963
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 2: very pageant, and I get that that's like her training.

964
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 2: They're very right, eloquent and poised. I don't think that

965
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 2: she's interested in having any kind of personal conversations on camera.

966
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 2: She wants things to be private on a reality show,

967
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 2: but again we're talking about a reality show. He had

968
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 2: a lot to drink, he has things to say, but

969
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 2: she constantly wants to shut him down. And I know

970
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 2: that a lot of people like their relationship. It's very authentic.

971
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: You can tell they're very much in love. And I've

972
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 2: said this before. I think that their relationship is great

973
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 2: for like a first season because people are getting to

974
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 2: know them. They're committed to one another. I think they're charming,

975
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 2: but it's not sustainable if she's not going to let

976
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 2: him be himself and talk and have conversations. And it's

977
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 2: just you know, you can't Yeah, no one.

978
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 4: I mean it's just cute.

979
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 3: You're too controlling it. And he's only willing to be

980
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 3: vulnerable about things that she's comfortable being vulnerable about. I

981
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,959
Speaker 3: think if this was if they had their own show

982
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 3: on TLC, they would crush it.

983
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 4: But Bravo, you have to you have to, and you.

984
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 3: Have to allow people to see you, and she's got

985
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 3: to let the man have feelings, because it is not

986
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 3: interesting that a man that is attractive with a beautiful

987
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 3: wife that has three kids under three at home and

988
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 3: works and takes care of everything is all.

989
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,720
Speaker 4: Both super happy and everything's perfect.

990
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 2: And right, that's not real.

991
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 3: So exactly right through it, and you're right, it's not sustainable. Right.

992
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 2: The next morning, Jesse brings up the text messages again

993
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 2: to Michelle, saying he played it off in the moment

994
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 2: with Jack's He questions why somebody would just make that up?

995
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 2: So honestly, I wondered that too when she told him,

996
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 2: because he was like or when Jax brought it up

997
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 2: and she was standing there and Jesse was like, oh,

998
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 2: I knew that. I already know that, and I thought,

999
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 2: did you really know that? But now he's admitted that

1000
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: he was basically just he didn't want to give Jacks

1001
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 2: the upper hand on anything, so he played it off

1002
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 2: like like he knew. But now he's questioning Michelle like,

1003
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 2: did you did you send some sexy photos? Yeah?

1004
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 4: Like like yeah, in the I can see that.

1005
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 3: How He's like, look, this is my marriage and I

1006
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 3: don't want to let Jax know anything about my bride.

1007
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 4: So I actually understand.

1008
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 3: I didn't understand it in the moment why he did it,

1009
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 3: but I understand that now because I was like, why

1010
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 3: aren't you asking for her phone?

1011
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 2: Like right right?

1012
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 4: It does make more sense now that he's like okay.

1013
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 3: But now that we're private and I know what's being said,

1014
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 3: I'm going to need to I want to know what happened,

1015
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 3: what is going on, because you don't send sexty pictures

1016
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 3: as a realistic Asian, you.

1017
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 2: Don't do that.

1018
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 4: We're not doing that's the same.

1019
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 2: And all this time I thought that's how you were

1020
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 2: selling houses. Yes, guys, I thought there were just sexy

1021
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: pictures of you the lingerie that were going to all your.

1022
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 4: It making a lot more money for sales, if that's

1023
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 4: what I was doing.

1024
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 2: Jesse says he knows the clients differently, but the truth

1025
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 2: is Michelle is sketchy about her phone. He did make

1026
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 2: a reference that she always picks it up, she turns

1027
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 2: it upside down, she doesn't let him see it. That's

1028
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 2: to me, those are not good signs. That's red flags

1029
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 2: right there. Jesse says after sex this morning, he was

1030
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 2: laying there thinking something is off. The energy is completely different.

1031
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 2: Michelle makes it clear that she did not send pictures

1032
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 2: to anybody. Michelle then insinuates in her confessional that Kristin

1033
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 2: has cheated on Luke. I was like, Oh, what are

1034
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 2: you doing? Is this a deflection? Are we trying? Are

1035
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 2: we like, look over here, don't look at me.

1036
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 4: Like I trying to light the fire? Right?

1037
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 2: Yeah? Looks right there. Jannet and Brittany go for a walk.

1038
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 2: Janet brings up Jackson Brittany's fight the day before. Janet says,

1039
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 2: I know you guys don't believe In said wouldn't go

1040
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 2: down that path, to which Brittany responds, Oh, we would

1041
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 2: go down that path. Brittany says this is the first

1042
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 2: time she said the word divorce out loud. Brittany says

1043
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 2: she's not comfortable with her body. They never have sex

1044
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 2: and didn't try, and they are not trying for another baby.

1045
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 2: Janet says they have to do something about this or

1046
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 2: it's going to be bad. You know, I really feel

1047
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 2: for Brittany in this. I think that, you know, one,

1048
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 2: she's dealing with Jackson. He's yelling at her and he's

1049
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 2: not kind to her, and he doesn't treat her with respect.

1050
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 2: He doesn't put her up on a pedestal like the

1051
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 2: other men do with their women, so that has to

1052
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 2: be difficult. Then she wants to have another child, but

1053
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 2: they're not having sex, so they can't have another child

1054
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,240
Speaker 2: if they're not having sex. And she's clearly not comfortable

1055
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 2: with the way she looks because she had a baby.

1056
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 2: I don't think that she's gotten back to, you know,

1057
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 2: how she feels, you know. And he's not making her

1058
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:51,280
Speaker 2: feel sexy either. He's not right. Yeah, he's not helping

1059
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 2: the situation.

1060
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 3: So on. I get Britney so much credit because looks

1061
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 3: he's a normal woman and like he had a baby,

1062
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 3: and like that's what normal, wan, you know, some women

1063
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 3: are blessed and like look at me, like I can't

1064
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 3: even stop looking at me like that, Like but that

1065
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 3: is just like she is blessed and I love her

1066
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 3: for it, and she should be champion for how stunny

1067
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 3: she is. But so should Brittany and she should all

1068
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 3: because she is a beautiful girl. And she also should

1069
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 3: be championed for being okay with her.

1070
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 4: Body, you know, and that to say stuff.

1071
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 2: You know, I think Brittany looks great when she walked

1072
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 2: out with the what is it the costume? What was that?

1073
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,720
Speaker 2: A puck a buddy, puck, a puck bunny? Whatever?

1074
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 4: That was?

1075
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, funny. I mean she looked hot, her legs

1076
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 2: look great, she had fishnets on. I was like, damn,

1077
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 2: she looks sexy. I don't understand why he's not all

1078
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 2: over her.

1079
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 4: Well, I think that he wants to be all over her.

1080
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 3: But the thing is like the men don't understand, Like

1081
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 3: just because you come, you slide into the bed at

1082
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 3: night and you're like pushing your body against us, does

1083
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 3: it make us feel beautiful?

1084
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 4: It's like when during.

1085
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 3: The yeahs opportunity, when you.

1086
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 4: Like, that's not romance.

1087
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 3: Like if you had told her three times during the

1088
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 3: day while walking by her how pretty she looks, then

1089
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 3: when you slide in there at night, she's gonna want

1090
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 3: to do that because she doesn't feel secure right now.

1091
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 4: And your partner's job is to help you feel secure.

1092
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 3: Both sides of that coin, right, So he's not She

1093
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 3: has a need that he is not fulfilling, and then

1094
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 3: he's doubling down by constantly getting She obviously has a

1095
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 3: weak stomach. I mean, we can't deny that, Like, you've

1096
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,959
Speaker 3: got to get that checked out. Or whatever, but he's

1097
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 3: on her for alcohol when they're all saying she didn't

1098
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 3: even drink.

1099
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 4: So, you know, I'm concerned there's a real problem.

1100
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 2: I actually think it might be stress related because have

1101
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 2: you ever been in like when you're in a relationship

1102
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 2: and it's stressful and you don't know what's going on,

1103
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 2: You know, you lose weight. I have in stressful situations.

1104
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 2: You know, you have diarrhea, you throw up, your skin

1105
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 2: breaks out, like stressfully. Stress really affects your body. So yeah, and.

1106
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 4: It affects everybody differently.

1107
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 2: So and also I do know we said earlier that

1108
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 2: Sheena confirmed that Brittany hasn't thrown up since separating from Jack,

1109
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 2: So again, that goes back to my theory that he

1110
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 2: was probably stressing her out and that had a lot

1111
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 2: to do with her stomach issues. And you know, Nia

1112
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,959
Speaker 2: and Danny go for a walk. Nia says last night's

1113
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 2: conversation should have been a private one. She feels Danny

1114
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 2: isn't getting her emotional connection to where they live. She

1115
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 2: doesn't feel connected to Santa Clarita. Danny says he would

1116
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 2: never move as she was unhappy. They come to an

1117
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 2: understanding about everything. Again, we talked about this a little bit.

1118
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 2: When she says private, I think what she means is like,

1119
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 2: not on camera. That's the way I take it. Not necessarily,

1120
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 2: not away from the group, but I feel like she

1121
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 2: wants these conversations that could be messy or so a

1122
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 2: small fracture in the relationship, Like I don't think she

1123
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:49,280
Speaker 2: wants them on camera.

1124
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 3: So I just, well, I kind of disagree though, because

1125
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 3: I think she wants to control of it, because he

1126
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 3: did have a conversation with some of the women about

1127
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 3: her feet about that situation in the previous episode, so

1128
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 3: she is willing to talk about it. He just wants

1129
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 3: to have control of it.

1130
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. She doesn't want Danny to go rogue, right.

1131
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 3: And she does not want other people that she hasn't

1132
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:21,399
Speaker 3: chosen to have the ability to pipe in and give

1133
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,479
Speaker 3: their opinion about it, which that one thing I guess

1134
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 3: I would say. I understand, like, just because you are

1135
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 3: on this show doesn't mean that you're and that's her

1136
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 3: personal storyline, right, You don't have to offer up your

1137
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,760
Speaker 3: personal storyline in a complete group setting, but you can't

1138
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 3: control it always. And if he your partner is on

1139
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 3: this show and he wants to bring it up. You

1140
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 3: kind of just got a ride with it.

1141
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he also, you know, we always give credit

1142
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 2: to the women. The women are always allowed to be

1143
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 2: stressed because they're the mothers and they have kids. But

1144
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 2: I feel like he also has to have a platform

1145
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 2: and be allowed to be stressed too. I mean, he

1146
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 2: seems like a very hands on dad. He's involved in everything,

1147
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 2: and you know, he had a breakdown the last episode.

1148
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 2: He was crying and he was saying it was a

1149
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 2: lot and they were dealing with a lot.

1150
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean he's doing the job for sure,

1151
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 3: because I feel like Danny really is being open and

1152
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 3: honest and vulnerable and authentic, and you know, I don't

1153
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 3: have to agree with everything or whatever, but like at

1154
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 3: least he's putting it out there and it feels very refreshing, honestly.

1155
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 3: So and it is good to hear the guy's point

1156
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 3: of view too, because yeah, he is they are true partners.

1157
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 3: She's like, I'm stressed, I have postparton it's so hard

1158
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 3: all the.

1159
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 4: Babies, And he's saying the same thing because he's allowed

1160
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 4: to say that because.

1161
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 2: He's really ate with he is absolutely Jesse throws a

1162
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 2: Friday gentleman's lunch. The best one he's thrown was a

1163
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 2: twenty thousand dollars four person, five course meal. Jack says

1164
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 2: he and Brittany are stuck with each other forever. Jesse says,

1165
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 2: from what he's heard, it's a lot worse for Brittany

1166
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 2: than Jack's is actually letting on or I would say

1167
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:59,399
Speaker 2: not just letting on, but actually realizing Jesse. Jesse then

1168
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 2: gives Jack's adviceaying he needs to work harder at his marriage.

1169
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 2: Jesse asked Jacks if he would let Brittany leave if

1170
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 2: she wanted to leave, and Jack says, no, absolutely not,

1171
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 2: which I mean to me, that was a very strange response,

1172
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 2: like are you holding her hostage?

1173
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 3: So yes, you should not be giving marital advice just

1174
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 3: because you went to the retreat man and then you

1175
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 3: put on.

1176
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 2: The bean Yeah, the meanie. The beanie does not make

1177
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 2: you the marriage guru.

1178
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 4: No, you don't hang out advice to anyone. No.

1179
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 2: I do find Jesse to be more likable though, as

1180
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 2: each episode goes on. It's like you start to get

1181
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 2: to he just is what he is, right, Yeah, you

1182
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 2: just kind of embrace it.

1183
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, yeah, he's he's and he's a little

1184
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 3: more self aware than I thought he was. Like he

1185
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 3: definitely is honestly, like you know, kind of a kind

1186
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,959
Speaker 3: of a douche, but like he owns it and he's

1187
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 3: so he's aware of it, and he's at least actively

1188
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 3: trying to work on himself. And I do feel bad

1189
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 3: for him because he is clearly in a marriage with

1190
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 3: somebody who doesn't want to be with him, and.

1191
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 2: I think he knows that, yeah, And I think he

1192
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 2: knows that he's aware of it and he is trying

1193
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 2: to put the work in. But you know, I don't

1194
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 2: know Jack saying. I do remember during this scene, Jack

1195
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 2: said that Brittany would never leave him, and knowing what

1196
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 2: we know now that they're separated, I would just have

1197
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 2: to say that JACKX, you should have tried harder, because

1198
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 2: I think Brittany just got to the point where she

1199
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 2: was just fed up and she did leave.

1200
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, because if you really think that too, if

1201
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 3: you really have this attitude of she'll never leave me,

1202
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 3: then that no matter what, you never have to really try,

1203
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 3: because I exactly I can say what I want to her,

1204
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 3: I can gripe and I can make it all about

1205
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 3: me all the time because she's never going to leave.

1206
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 3: The best thing that Brittany did was say, you know what,

1207
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 3: that's not good enough man.

1208
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 2: Right, peace out? Yeah all right. Thanks guys for listening

1209
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 2: to another episode of Popping Off. Thanks Gina for joining us,

1210
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 2: My pleasure,