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Speaker 1: School of Humans. Hello one, Hello all, Welcome to this

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Speaker 1: week's episode of Cadaver Gals, the podcast where we talk

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Speaker 1: about all the crazy, silly ways people have died throughout history.

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Speaker 1: We tell ourselves it's to cope with our own mortality.

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Speaker 1: But really, I think we're just fear mongers. But it's okay.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host Taylor, along with Nika Hi and Gabby. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and today we're going to talk about a hot Venetian

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Speaker 1: war commander who lost his skin and the Black Death.

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Speaker 1: So this is actually a pretty gory episode, so I

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Speaker 1: must warn you. Trigger warnings include, but not limited to,

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Speaker 1: playing lashing, torture, and plagues kill the music. Okay, welcome

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Speaker 1: back Cadaver Pals. Gabby, would you like to start us

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Speaker 1: off and take us on a journey? Oh? I do

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Speaker 1: want to take everyone on a journey of my multi

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Speaker 1: level marketing plan that I'm now going to pitch to you. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. I don't. I'm not cool enough to.

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Speaker 1: I've never been asked to be part of a multi

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Speaker 1: level marketing scheme out that means you're not a sheep bull.

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Speaker 1: Oh but I guess though. Okay, thank you, I'll make

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Speaker 1: up my own and I'll invite you both. Okay, great,

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Speaker 1: all right, Well we're gonna go back to the sixteenth century.

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Speaker 1: Wow wow, wow, Okay, this is pike. You know, if

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Speaker 1: think of previous episodes of cadaver Gals, they're doing the

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Speaker 1: rat torture in the Netherlands or whatever. So let's like

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Speaker 1: be in that period. You know, we're like they're doing

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Speaker 1: gross shit. Anyway, So this is about Marco Antonio bragged

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Speaker 1: in he was a celebrated Venetian war commander and he

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Speaker 1: was like, you know, they called him like a sexy

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Speaker 1: late forty something with as a historians call it, with

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Speaker 1: a heavy beard. So you know, I'll never forget. I

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Speaker 1: was traveling with my brother once and I walked by

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Speaker 1: this guy on a plane and I looked at my

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Speaker 1: looked at me pain in his eyes, and he goes, damn,

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Speaker 1: you really do have daddy issues, because the guy was like,

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Speaker 1: you know, adapt and rumble daddy. Yeah, clearly grizzly beard whatever.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, i'd probably be into this Venetian commander. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you probably would be. I actually know you probably want

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Speaker 1: it because he was like a heavy patriot and he

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Speaker 1: I don't think he'd be that much fun though he

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Speaker 1: or the whatever, the opposite sort of not Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: mean also he was a war commander, he was a senator.

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Speaker 1: He was also a lawyer. Soup were well rounded. Good

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Speaker 1: for him, so ambitious, Yeah, look at him go though

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Speaker 1: maybe jobs were easier back then. I don't know. So

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Speaker 1: at this time, in like fifteen seventy one when this

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Speaker 1: story is set, there was a big gass conflict amongst

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Speaker 1: Like the Ottoman Empire was rapidly expanding their empire, you know,

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Speaker 1: of the Mediterranean Sea. They're like everybody wants some of

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Speaker 1: that sea water, right, and so the Republic of Venice

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Speaker 1: It was under the mega Christian hater Lala Mustafa Pasha.

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Speaker 1: And what they did Lala Mustafa Pasha. I mean Pasha's

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Speaker 1: Marco Antonio, you know, we got all sorts of characters.

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Speaker 1: he was very determined. But then a huge battle ensues

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Speaker 1: cut off any resources, and they're also like digging tunnels

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Speaker 1: And then at one point Mustafa was like, hey, Bro,

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Speaker 1: made that's what it is. It's not. It's inhumane. Also,

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Speaker 1: the city of Atlanta, Georgia. So right, of course, I

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Speaker 1: mean it's not out of the question. Wait, it's do

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Speaker 1: you know something that I don't know Taylor, Oh no, okay, no,

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Speaker 1: maybe he was a cat person. He was like, okay,

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Speaker 1: more of food. Everyone's dead, basically, so let's surrender, why not.

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Speaker 1: So then they go and deliver a letter to the Pasha,

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Speaker 1: And like also they're like maybe Braggaden might have killed

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Speaker 1: what they do. They go out there, they behead all

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Speaker 1: skin a little bit easier to peel, which an aggressive

419
00:22:55,445 --> 00:23:00,325
Speaker 1: sunburn is bad, but being boiled alive and then just

420
00:23:00,365 --> 00:23:04,365
Speaker 1: like cooked before, it's just like the beginning, you know. Yea. Yeah,

421
00:23:04,445 --> 00:23:06,485
Speaker 1: Like one time I had a really bad sunburn and

422
00:23:06,525 --> 00:23:08,565
Speaker 1: then I got a massage because I'm an idiot, and

423
00:23:08,565 --> 00:23:11,245
Speaker 1: it hurts so bad. Oh my gosh. Well, like I

424
00:23:11,285 --> 00:23:14,645
Speaker 1: was making salmon this week and I didn't realize that

425
00:23:14,685 --> 00:23:18,005
Speaker 1: you could take the skin off after like you, I

426
00:23:18,045 --> 00:23:20,685
Speaker 1: don't know, fry, grill whatever, bake it. The skin just

427
00:23:20,925 --> 00:23:23,925
Speaker 1: comes off so easily once it's done, but like when

428
00:23:23,925 --> 00:23:25,645
Speaker 1: it's raw, it's really hard to take off. So I

429
00:23:25,765 --> 00:23:30,325
Speaker 1: understand why they would do that. Yeah, so, and you know,

430
00:23:30,445 --> 00:23:32,565
Speaker 1: people love a good like this might be like the

431
00:23:32,605 --> 00:23:35,605
Speaker 1: first you know, how people really enjoy like seeing or

432
00:23:35,725 --> 00:23:39,725
Speaker 1: like doing those like satisfying peels from like technology and whatnot.

433
00:23:39,725 --> 00:23:43,245
Speaker 1: Even like if you some people like to peel their

434
00:23:43,245 --> 00:23:46,725
Speaker 1: own skin from when they're sunburned and stuff. I'm not

435
00:23:46,765 --> 00:23:51,205
Speaker 1: saying I do that, but some people eat it, some

436
00:23:51,245 --> 00:23:54,085
Speaker 1: people peeling. Okay, okay, we're not going there. That's disgusting,

437
00:23:54,525 --> 00:23:57,645
Speaker 1: but you know peeling, Hey, it's not disgusting. If you

438
00:23:57,725 --> 00:24:00,325
Speaker 1: have a problem, it's fine. Or I was just thinking

439
00:24:00,525 --> 00:24:04,565
Speaker 1: awesome powers and gold member as the skin eating. Okay,

440
00:24:04,685 --> 00:24:08,485
Speaker 1: so after they cook you first, they're like next steps.

441
00:24:09,085 --> 00:24:14,685
Speaker 1: They start with like longer scores or like slashes, you know, breeze.

442
00:24:15,205 --> 00:24:17,725
Speaker 1: So they also they would either start with like the

443
00:24:17,845 --> 00:24:21,085
Speaker 1: face or the feet, but of course it was most

444
00:24:21,125 --> 00:24:25,205
Speaker 1: important to get the largest sections because the idea once

445
00:24:25,245 --> 00:24:27,965
Speaker 1: you've been you finished skinning them is so that you

446
00:24:28,005 --> 00:24:32,765
Speaker 1: can display the skin real nice and pretty somewhere. Oh good.

447
00:24:33,045 --> 00:24:36,885
Speaker 1: So it's like an esthetic procedure, yes, exactly. So once

448
00:24:36,925 --> 00:24:42,285
Speaker 1: they begin the peel, they're essentially ripping and tearing. Your nerves.

449
00:24:42,925 --> 00:24:45,365
Speaker 1: As we know, all of your nerves are like the

450
00:24:45,405 --> 00:24:48,205
Speaker 1: little messengers that tell our brain that there's pain. So

451
00:24:48,245 --> 00:24:52,645
Speaker 1: your brain is like, oh, shooters, that really hurts. Oh

452
00:24:53,205 --> 00:24:58,605
Speaker 1: oh shooters, I stole out right? People black out? Well, yeah,

453
00:24:58,645 --> 00:25:02,725
Speaker 1: you that's like best case scenario, okay, right, best case

454
00:25:02,765 --> 00:25:06,285
Speaker 1: scenario you die like quick, like from shaw or you

455
00:25:06,325 --> 00:25:12,445
Speaker 1: pass out because you're feeling literally everything. And also best

456
00:25:12,925 --> 00:25:15,845
Speaker 1: best case scenario, better case scenario, they did sharpen their

457
00:25:15,925 --> 00:25:19,965
Speaker 1: knives because otherwise it is far more like ripping and

458
00:25:20,005 --> 00:25:23,165
Speaker 1: tearing because if you have like you know so, so

459
00:25:23,205 --> 00:25:24,845
Speaker 1: you got to hope for a sharp knife and you

460
00:25:24,885 --> 00:25:27,525
Speaker 1: got to hope for that pass out. Most of them

461
00:25:27,525 --> 00:25:29,485
Speaker 1: would pass out at least by the time they got

462
00:25:29,485 --> 00:25:33,285
Speaker 1: to their waist, which is still too that's halfway, you know,

463
00:25:33,485 --> 00:25:37,165
Speaker 1: like too much, that's too much. Either way you go. Obviously,

464
00:25:37,365 --> 00:25:39,725
Speaker 1: there's also a lot of blood loss going on, and

465
00:25:39,845 --> 00:25:43,765
Speaker 1: as Gabby said, sometimes they're hung upside down. So think

466
00:25:43,765 --> 00:25:45,885
Speaker 1: about this for a second. Say they're going feet first

467
00:25:45,925 --> 00:25:48,605
Speaker 1: and you're being hung upside down, right, all of that

468
00:25:48,725 --> 00:25:52,525
Speaker 1: blood is rushing down your body. You can feel it.

469
00:25:52,645 --> 00:25:55,085
Speaker 1: You just feel the blood like you feel your skin

470
00:25:55,165 --> 00:25:58,485
Speaker 1: being peeled off. You feel the skin or the blood

471
00:25:58,525 --> 00:26:01,005
Speaker 1: like running down your skin and like dripping down off

472
00:26:01,005 --> 00:26:04,605
Speaker 1: of your face. So you're like more or less choking

473
00:26:04,605 --> 00:26:08,245
Speaker 1: in your own blood. Awful, Ah, I told you this

474
00:26:08,325 --> 00:26:12,005
Speaker 1: is really gory. And so that's gory about your skin

475
00:26:12,085 --> 00:26:16,485
Speaker 1: getting peeled off. Okay, So so yeah, that's also disgusting.

476
00:26:16,565 --> 00:26:19,085
Speaker 1: And then we can also just assume at this time

477
00:26:19,125 --> 00:26:21,765
Speaker 1: they didn't really understand like what bacteria was and that

478
00:26:21,845 --> 00:26:24,085
Speaker 1: it was a bad thing. So let's just assume that

479
00:26:24,125 --> 00:26:28,365
Speaker 1: they're not in a very sterile environment. So like you're

480
00:26:28,405 --> 00:26:31,165
Speaker 1: getting infected, Like you're like, all of this is happening

481
00:26:31,325 --> 00:26:34,565
Speaker 1: left and right at this getting infect Yeah, yes, absolutely,

482
00:26:34,765 --> 00:26:39,805
Speaker 1: so some have even survived the full flame. Oh no,

483
00:26:40,005 --> 00:26:43,605
Speaker 1: but that sucks. You will die from infection afterwards, like

484
00:26:43,605 --> 00:26:45,525
Speaker 1: after a day or so, you're gonna look like that

485
00:26:45,565 --> 00:26:53,445
Speaker 1: fucking body's exhibit for real walking around. Yeah. So so

486
00:26:53,525 --> 00:26:58,485
Speaker 1: really like there, I wouldn't even wish this on like

487
00:26:58,605 --> 00:27:02,845
Speaker 1: my greatest enemy, you know, I would not. I'm just kidding. I. Well,

488
00:27:02,885 --> 00:27:06,725
Speaker 1: then you need to be sure that your therapy in therapy, Yes, exactly.

489
00:27:07,525 --> 00:27:10,285
Speaker 1: This is really making me rethink the things that I

490
00:27:10,365 --> 00:27:14,165
Speaker 1: say in bed, because many times I'll say something like

491
00:27:14,205 --> 00:27:17,205
Speaker 1: I want to wear your skin, and now that I

492
00:27:17,365 --> 00:27:22,365
Speaker 1: know what the processes, I don't know if that's sexy. No,

493
00:27:22,445 --> 00:27:26,605
Speaker 1: I don't know if casually casually wearing somebody's skin is

494
00:27:26,765 --> 00:27:29,685
Speaker 1: sa I mean, Nica, it's fine. You can say it's

495
00:27:29,685 --> 00:27:32,445
Speaker 1: a fantasy, like in your fantasy you can flay people

496
00:27:32,485 --> 00:27:34,485
Speaker 1: and then put their skin back on and that's fine

497
00:27:34,605 --> 00:27:36,965
Speaker 1: and it's not painful. It's like fine, it's not that

498
00:27:37,005 --> 00:27:39,445
Speaker 1: I want to cause pain, that's not it. I just

499
00:27:39,525 --> 00:27:43,725
Speaker 1: want to wear. Just make sure make sure you give

500
00:27:43,765 --> 00:27:47,085
Speaker 1: them antibiotics as you're wearing their skin. Make sure that's

501
00:27:47,125 --> 00:27:50,845
Speaker 1: just sterile environment. Yeah, yeah, just say that sexily, just

502
00:27:50,925 --> 00:27:55,765
Speaker 1: like thanks guys, antibiotics. Also, this is going on, like

503
00:27:55,805 --> 00:27:57,885
Speaker 1: your skin, you're losing your skin, right, so you get

504
00:27:57,885 --> 00:28:02,765
Speaker 1: really cold because so you get cold too. So that's

505
00:28:02,845 --> 00:28:06,885
Speaker 1: so gross, like your nerves like Nita jot good. Yeah, exactly,

506
00:28:07,165 --> 00:28:11,965
Speaker 1: a little nerve jacket. So anyway, Nica, would you like

507
00:28:12,005 --> 00:28:15,605
Speaker 1: to lighten the d with another death? I don't know

508
00:28:15,605 --> 00:28:18,965
Speaker 1: how light actually, I'm sorry. I don't know if there's

509
00:28:18,965 --> 00:28:23,965
Speaker 1: any deaths in this one. It's okay, it's me. I'm

510
00:28:24,005 --> 00:28:27,925
Speaker 1: sure there are. But we're going to a really interesting

511
00:28:28,085 --> 00:28:30,805
Speaker 1: practice in the medieval times, not necessarily a death, though

512
00:28:30,845 --> 00:28:33,765
Speaker 1: there was much death going on, so I think that's why.

513
00:28:33,765 --> 00:28:36,485
Speaker 1: Oh it's on the backdrop of like mega death, so

514
00:28:36,525 --> 00:28:39,085
Speaker 1: I think it's okay. Also, I feel like a weird

515
00:28:39,165 --> 00:28:42,445
Speaker 1: ghost under my blanket. So yeah, Gabby has a blanket

516
00:28:42,525 --> 00:28:44,725
Speaker 1: on and looks like you look like you're in a

517
00:28:44,765 --> 00:28:49,365
Speaker 1: haunted house or something. I was thinking, cave Oh, okay,

518
00:28:49,445 --> 00:28:52,605
Speaker 1: cave ga, Gabby, the cave woman. I'm in a uterus.

519
00:28:52,645 --> 00:28:55,525
Speaker 1: It's a haunted uterus. It's a pregnancy scare. Ah boo,

520
00:28:57,725 --> 00:29:02,005
Speaker 1: so silly. Okay, So we're doing this. I thank you

521
00:29:02,045 --> 00:29:05,765
Speaker 1: Gabby for that funny joke. We're doing that. We're doing

522
00:29:05,845 --> 00:29:11,765
Speaker 1: this so we all know what the flagellum is, right, yeah, okay, wait,

523
00:29:11,845 --> 00:29:15,965
Speaker 1: like of a cell tale. Yeah, so I grabbed coffee

524
00:29:15,965 --> 00:29:18,005
Speaker 1: actually this morning with my partner and I was like,

525
00:29:18,285 --> 00:29:20,845
Speaker 1: everyone knows what phlagellum is, and they were like, um,

526
00:29:20,965 --> 00:29:23,365
Speaker 1: you don't know that. Okay, the public school system and

527
00:29:23,405 --> 00:29:25,805
Speaker 1: this country kind of sucks. And I was like, everyone

528
00:29:25,805 --> 00:29:27,925
Speaker 1: has to know what the flagellum is. It's the little

529
00:29:27,925 --> 00:29:30,965
Speaker 1: appendage from certain cells that look like a like a lash,

530
00:29:31,005 --> 00:29:34,085
Speaker 1: and they enable the cells to swim. You know. They're

531
00:29:34,085 --> 00:29:37,685
Speaker 1: found on like sperm, in bacteria and other cells and

532
00:29:37,685 --> 00:29:39,245
Speaker 1: and so no, I want to know. I want to

533
00:29:39,285 --> 00:29:42,405
Speaker 1: I want to post something on Instagram asking if everyone

534
00:29:42,445 --> 00:29:45,085
Speaker 1: knows what the flagellum is, because for me, it's like, oh,

535
00:29:45,125 --> 00:29:47,565
Speaker 1: I mean everyone, if you if I look at a

536
00:29:47,565 --> 00:29:50,245
Speaker 1: sperm cell, I'm not going to remember what the what

537
00:29:50,405 --> 00:29:52,885
Speaker 1: the what the round part looks like and like what

538
00:29:53,005 --> 00:29:55,605
Speaker 1: the name of it is, but I'm gonna remember the flagellum.

539
00:29:55,645 --> 00:29:59,325
Speaker 1: It's the squiggly do That's what I call it on

540
00:29:59,365 --> 00:30:02,565
Speaker 1: the sperm. See, yeah, the squiggly thing. In sex said,

541
00:30:02,645 --> 00:30:05,725
Speaker 1: we learn all about like the man stuff, but like

542
00:30:05,805 --> 00:30:08,205
Speaker 1: nobody tells us about like what happens to a woman.

543
00:30:08,285 --> 00:30:13,325
Speaker 1: But it's fine, that's true. That's true. And storks. No,

544
00:30:13,565 --> 00:30:16,165
Speaker 1: we don't have flagell well, we might have. I don't.

545
00:30:16,205 --> 00:30:19,405
Speaker 1: I actually don't know, Okay, anyway, so that is not

546
00:30:19,445 --> 00:30:22,045
Speaker 1: the flagellum that we're going to talk about today. There

547
00:30:22,125 --> 00:30:25,885
Speaker 1: was also a group of people, yes, in the Middle Ages,

548
00:30:26,005 --> 00:30:29,645
Speaker 1: called flagellents, different word, and they have nothing to do

549
00:30:29,685 --> 00:30:31,965
Speaker 1: with body cells and bacteria, and that's what we're gonna

550
00:30:31,965 --> 00:30:34,405
Speaker 1: get into today. But I just wanted to talk about sperm.

551
00:30:34,925 --> 00:30:39,085
Speaker 1: So flagellents were groups of people who would whip themselves

552
00:30:39,085 --> 00:30:41,765
Speaker 1: and the name of religion, and they were pretty popular

553
00:30:41,805 --> 00:30:44,605
Speaker 1: back in the day. I think the first recorded self

554
00:30:44,645 --> 00:30:49,445
Speaker 1: flagellations come from Martin Luther and other Christian leaders who

555
00:30:49,525 --> 00:30:53,565
Speaker 1: would teach that spirituality should manifest in the physical form. So, like,

556
00:30:53,805 --> 00:30:56,045
Speaker 1: there was one guy called Peter Damien and he was

557
00:30:56,085 --> 00:30:58,685
Speaker 1: a Christian monk from the eleventh century, so I'm not

558
00:30:58,725 --> 00:31:02,365
Speaker 1: a very fun guy, and he said that only those

559
00:31:02,405 --> 00:31:05,125
Speaker 1: who shared the sufferings of Christ could be saved and

560
00:31:05,125 --> 00:31:07,525
Speaker 1: they're or they had to hurt themselves so they could

561
00:31:07,565 --> 00:31:10,205
Speaker 1: like hurt in the same way that Christ hurt. Hurted.

562
00:31:10,445 --> 00:31:14,325
Speaker 1: Was hurt hurt? Yeah, was done hurted. It makes so

563
00:31:14,405 --> 00:31:19,165
Speaker 1: much sense. You guys. Yeah. Also, a flagellation for flagellum

564
00:31:19,165 --> 00:31:21,845
Speaker 1: are like very different words. But do they have Is

565
00:31:21,845 --> 00:31:24,525
Speaker 1: there a reason they're connect because they have flag but

566
00:31:24,605 --> 00:31:29,445
Speaker 1: the whip would look like the flagellum. Yeah, connection A

567
00:31:29,565 --> 00:31:33,165
Speaker 1: whip is like a real life sperm. I mean sperms

568
00:31:33,165 --> 00:31:38,205
Speaker 1: are real too, don't get me wrong. It's like basically

569
00:31:38,245 --> 00:31:42,765
Speaker 1: embodied sperm of the sperm um that I don't know

570
00:31:42,805 --> 00:31:44,485
Speaker 1: how we got here, but I'm going to try to

571
00:31:44,485 --> 00:31:48,005
Speaker 1: read us back in. So that's you started it. You

572
00:31:48,125 --> 00:31:51,245
Speaker 1: talked about the cells. I know, well it's well, it's

573
00:31:51,285 --> 00:31:56,685
Speaker 1: because I can't really say flagellent without thinking of the flagellum,

574
00:31:56,725 --> 00:31:58,285
Speaker 1: so I had to bring it up because there also

575
00:31:58,325 --> 00:31:59,405
Speaker 1: I know I would have brought it up at some

576
00:31:59,405 --> 00:32:01,085
Speaker 1: point in the story. Just get it out of the

577
00:32:01,085 --> 00:32:05,325
Speaker 1: way immediately, you know, adhd out of the way at

578
00:32:05,325 --> 00:32:09,605
Speaker 1: the start. Schedule it okay. So they believe that's the

579
00:32:09,605 --> 00:32:11,445
Speaker 1: only way that they could be saved, and so they

580
00:32:11,485 --> 00:32:13,165
Speaker 1: would hurt in the same way and do that and

581
00:32:13,205 --> 00:32:15,845
Speaker 1: have other people hurt themselves as well. There are, however,

582
00:32:15,965 --> 00:32:19,925
Speaker 1: other stories from ancient Rome where these eunuch priests would

583
00:32:20,805 --> 00:32:23,845
Speaker 1: self flagellate until they bled in this annual ritual to

584
00:32:23,845 --> 00:32:27,165
Speaker 1: the goddess Seybelle. I feel like I pronounced that wrong,

585
00:32:27,205 --> 00:32:30,085
Speaker 1: but she was a goddess, and they would usually do this.

586
00:32:30,365 --> 00:32:34,405
Speaker 1: While this is bad, well, priests who were being initiated

587
00:32:34,405 --> 00:32:37,605
Speaker 1: would castrate themselves, so you had like the priests who

588
00:32:37,605 --> 00:32:39,925
Speaker 1: would castrate themselves on this day, and then the other

589
00:32:39,965 --> 00:32:42,485
Speaker 1: priests that had already castrated themselves and they were eunuchs

590
00:32:42,605 --> 00:32:45,845
Speaker 1: would just self self flash self flash throughout the day,

591
00:32:46,045 --> 00:32:48,325
Speaker 1: and it would usually land on March twenty fourth. So

592
00:32:48,365 --> 00:32:51,485
Speaker 1: if anyone feels like celebrating March twenty fourth next year,

593
00:32:51,885 --> 00:32:55,365
Speaker 1: by all means, go ahead and do that. Yes, let's

594
00:32:55,485 --> 00:33:03,005
Speaker 1: encourage self harm. No, but don't, don't it's God. Yeah

595
00:33:03,445 --> 00:33:08,165
Speaker 1: that is not true, but anyway, so many like those

596
00:33:08,165 --> 00:33:11,125
Speaker 1: are just some of the stories. But obviously, self flagellation

597
00:33:11,325 --> 00:33:15,445
Speaker 1: and self harmful religion has existed since I'm sure before

598
00:33:15,565 --> 00:33:18,205
Speaker 1: ancient Roman times, and we might just not have it recorded.

599
00:33:18,245 --> 00:33:20,445
Speaker 1: But those are just sometimes and it's still kind of

600
00:33:20,485 --> 00:33:22,845
Speaker 1: popular today, like well, I don't know about popular, but

601
00:33:22,845 --> 00:33:26,925
Speaker 1: it's still practiced today, Okay, like some partitioners of Shia

602
00:33:27,125 --> 00:33:30,325
Speaker 1: Islam still self flagellate and many communities. They actually do

603
00:33:30,365 --> 00:33:32,525
Speaker 1: it once a year on the day of Ashura, which

604
00:33:32,565 --> 00:33:36,805
Speaker 1: is an Islamic holiday, and yes, Roman Catholics also sometimes

605
00:33:36,885 --> 00:33:40,005
Speaker 1: do it. It's there's like this not super secret but

606
00:33:40,085 --> 00:33:43,885
Speaker 1: kind of secret brotherhood called Dmanos Penitentes which means the

607
00:33:43,925 --> 00:33:49,525
Speaker 1: Penitent Brothers. They are curiously in New Mexico more than anything,

608
00:33:49,725 --> 00:33:52,565
Speaker 1: and they practice self flagillation in the name of Catholicism.

609
00:33:52,885 --> 00:33:55,965
Speaker 1: And then Pope John Paul the Second actually used to

610
00:33:56,005 --> 00:33:58,925
Speaker 1: self flagellate with a belt and also sleep on like straw.

611
00:33:59,005 --> 00:34:03,245
Speaker 1: I think that's just okay. Yeah, but anyways, we're gonna

612
00:34:03,285 --> 00:34:06,725
Speaker 1: go way way back to when it was the most popular.

613
00:34:07,165 --> 00:34:10,445
Speaker 1: Everyone was doing it. If you weren't doing it, what's up.

614
00:34:10,845 --> 00:34:15,125
Speaker 1: It was during the Black Death. Yes, that's a lot

615
00:34:15,125 --> 00:34:17,405
Speaker 1: of death because he people are dying in your story.

616
00:34:17,445 --> 00:34:19,925
Speaker 1: Thank you, great job. That's true. That's true. They are

617
00:34:19,965 --> 00:34:23,085
Speaker 1: so the Black Death. It's raging, it's crazy. Well, it's

618
00:34:23,125 --> 00:34:27,685
Speaker 1: the mid fourteenth century. People were dying and religious zelots

619
00:34:28,005 --> 00:34:31,245
Speaker 1: were like, oh, we have to do something about this.

620
00:34:31,845 --> 00:34:34,725
Speaker 1: So they take the Black Death personally as one does,

621
00:34:35,645 --> 00:34:38,005
Speaker 1: and they say, oh, it's because of our sins and

622
00:34:38,045 --> 00:34:40,485
Speaker 1: of our filth. Of course, people don't have to like

623
00:34:40,525 --> 00:34:43,645
Speaker 1: always relate things to themselves, you know, and yes they do.

624
00:34:44,005 --> 00:34:47,205
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's not about you, it's always about you. No,

625
00:34:47,445 --> 00:34:49,325
Speaker 1: that's actually a big lesson that I think a lot

626
00:34:49,325 --> 00:34:51,205
Speaker 1: of people learned in their twenties. It's like, it's not

627
00:34:51,245 --> 00:34:53,925
Speaker 1: always about you. Like I remember when my ex blocked

628
00:34:53,925 --> 00:34:55,765
Speaker 1: me after we broke up. I took it so personally

629
00:34:55,765 --> 00:34:58,205
Speaker 1: and then I was like, wait, maybe I'm too beautiful

630
00:34:58,205 --> 00:35:00,845
Speaker 1: and he literally cannot handle it and that's why he

631
00:35:00,885 --> 00:35:03,045
Speaker 1: blocked me. So it's not about me. It's not my problem.

632
00:35:03,125 --> 00:35:05,005
Speaker 1: It's not a me problem because anyways, like I'm still

633
00:35:05,085 --> 00:35:09,245
Speaker 1: learning that. Yeah, like you said, it was about me,

634
00:35:09,325 --> 00:35:11,605
Speaker 1: but it's like the opposite because you're just like too

635
00:35:11,645 --> 00:35:18,205
Speaker 1: amazing and that's okay. So these groups called flagellants came

636
00:35:18,245 --> 00:35:22,125
Speaker 1: together and they began practicing this ritual like all the

637
00:35:22,165 --> 00:35:24,325
Speaker 1: time everywhere because they were like, we need to end

638
00:35:24,365 --> 00:35:25,925
Speaker 1: the Black Death and this is what's going to happen.

639
00:35:26,325 --> 00:35:28,805
Speaker 1: The groups ranged from two hundred to three hundred people

640
00:35:28,805 --> 00:35:33,005
Speaker 1: to sometimes in the thousands, and what their game plan

641
00:35:33,245 --> 00:35:36,045
Speaker 1: was is they would basically roam from town to town

642
00:35:36,205 --> 00:35:39,885
Speaker 1: to self flagellate in public as penance and to bring

643
00:35:39,885 --> 00:35:42,525
Speaker 1: an end to the black death. Okay, they were like

644
00:35:42,645 --> 00:35:47,285
Speaker 1: the Avengers, you know, how how dramatic is that? Just

645
00:35:47,365 --> 00:35:49,525
Speaker 1: like a bunch of I just imagine of all being men,

646
00:35:49,565 --> 00:35:52,245
Speaker 1: but I'm surely there were women too. But they're just

647
00:35:52,285 --> 00:35:55,205
Speaker 1: like hitting themselves, you know, they're like, oh, stop hitting yourself,

648
00:35:55,245 --> 00:35:59,925
Speaker 1: Stop hitting yourself. Oh my gosh. Okay, they're like doing

649
00:35:59,965 --> 00:36:01,885
Speaker 1: it and they're looking at like dead staring people, being like,

650
00:36:02,005 --> 00:36:05,405
Speaker 1: we're doing this for you. Yeah. Literally, that's how they

651
00:36:05,525 --> 00:36:07,085
Speaker 1: would do it, and that's actually how they would recruit

652
00:36:07,125 --> 00:36:10,085
Speaker 1: a lot of their people, is like they would do

653
00:36:10,125 --> 00:36:12,125
Speaker 1: that and then ask people that are watching them from

654
00:36:12,125 --> 00:36:14,525
Speaker 1: the towns to repent. And that's how they like suddenly

655
00:36:14,565 --> 00:36:17,725
Speaker 1: gained so many numbers basically, which is crazy. But really

656
00:36:17,725 --> 00:36:22,525
Speaker 1: they're just like having a super spreading event. Yeah, I literally,

657
00:36:22,725 --> 00:36:25,165
Speaker 1: yeah exactly. So they would arrive in a town, they

658
00:36:25,165 --> 00:36:27,245
Speaker 1: would go straight to the church, and the bells in

659
00:36:27,285 --> 00:36:29,045
Speaker 1: the church would ring to alert the public that the

660
00:36:29,285 --> 00:36:33,085
Speaker 1: flagellans were here, you know, the sperm is here. So

661
00:36:33,725 --> 00:36:37,685
Speaker 1: they'd wear hoods and no shirts and chant litanies, which

662
00:36:37,725 --> 00:36:41,605
Speaker 1: actually there were women in this group of people as well.

663
00:36:41,885 --> 00:36:43,685
Speaker 1: So I found it really interesting that they got to

664
00:36:43,805 --> 00:36:46,885
Speaker 1: be shirtless as well. But I think, oh, good for them,

665
00:36:46,885 --> 00:36:51,125
Speaker 1: But this is also Europe. No no. Also I was

666
00:36:51,165 --> 00:36:53,245
Speaker 1: reading about it, and it's like people said that was

667
00:36:53,285 --> 00:36:55,245
Speaker 1: okay because they were wearing hoods, so they were like

668
00:36:55,685 --> 00:36:58,805
Speaker 1: their identities were covered. But still yeah, kind of kind

669
00:36:58,805 --> 00:37:03,685
Speaker 1: of progressive flagellents being progressive. Wow, titties out. Yeah, but

670
00:37:03,725 --> 00:37:06,445
Speaker 1: all those paintings from them those times their titties were

671
00:37:06,485 --> 00:37:12,685
Speaker 1: out all the time out. Yeah, maybe you're maybe painters

672
00:37:12,685 --> 00:37:15,645
Speaker 1: are just freaks. Yeah. Well, I love reading about like

673
00:37:16,205 --> 00:37:20,165
Speaker 1: um Royalty, especially like the princesses and queens who like

674
00:37:20,685 --> 00:37:24,525
Speaker 1: would have dresses like fixed so their titties could be

675
00:37:24,565 --> 00:37:26,445
Speaker 1: out just like and they would just like walk around

676
00:37:26,525 --> 00:37:31,925
Speaker 1: like that. It's like okay, girl, girl bos. So they

677
00:37:31,965 --> 00:37:34,405
Speaker 1: would chant their litanies and then they would go outside

678
00:37:34,485 --> 00:37:36,605
Speaker 1: three times a day, two times in the morning and

679
00:37:36,645 --> 00:37:40,965
Speaker 1: one in the evening, and they would practice self flagellation. Um.

680
00:37:40,965 --> 00:37:43,645
Speaker 1: The total time per day that they were whipping themselves

681
00:37:43,845 --> 00:37:47,205
Speaker 1: was eight hours daily. Good. I did this for thirty

682
00:37:47,245 --> 00:37:53,525
Speaker 1: three days straight to represent Jesus's age at crucifixion. That's

683
00:37:53,565 --> 00:37:55,805
Speaker 1: a lot eight hours a day, it's like nine to

684
00:37:55,885 --> 00:38:03,285
Speaker 1: five on the back. Dolly Parton said it first. So um,

685
00:38:03,325 --> 00:38:07,125
Speaker 1: Apparently flagellans could be as young as seven years old,

686
00:38:07,645 --> 00:38:11,365
Speaker 1: which is when, according to this sect, children's sins could

687
00:38:11,405 --> 00:38:15,645
Speaker 1: be accounted for. Oh damn, I got so many sins then, right,

688
00:38:16,685 --> 00:38:20,605
Speaker 1: been accumulating since seven? Wow? Yeah. And they couldn't speak

689
00:38:20,605 --> 00:38:22,845
Speaker 1: to each other, and they couldn't have contact with the

690
00:38:22,885 --> 00:38:27,485
Speaker 1: opposite sex, and they had to avoid shaving, bathing, changing clothes,

691
00:38:27,805 --> 00:38:30,365
Speaker 1: all of that. So that seems like that would be

692
00:38:30,405 --> 00:38:34,645
Speaker 1: a really great way to get the black play. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

693
00:38:34,685 --> 00:38:37,725
Speaker 1: for sure. They also had to sleep on straw. And

694
00:38:37,885 --> 00:38:40,045
Speaker 1: I also I really want to paint the picture of

695
00:38:40,085 --> 00:38:43,245
Speaker 1: the whip because it wasn't just like a sexy leather thing,

696
00:38:43,365 --> 00:38:46,685
Speaker 1: you know. I think sometimes we me think of whips

697
00:38:46,765 --> 00:38:49,925
Speaker 1: now as like the black leather bds and whips whatever,

698
00:38:50,405 --> 00:38:52,485
Speaker 1: And that's not what they were using. They were not

699
00:38:52,605 --> 00:38:57,525
Speaker 1: doing it for that particular reason. They It was a

700
00:38:57,565 --> 00:39:01,245
Speaker 1: stick with three thongs, which are the long leather parts

701
00:39:01,325 --> 00:39:04,605
Speaker 1: of a whip, and the thongs would have nails or

702
00:39:04,645 --> 00:39:12,245
Speaker 1: iron spite. Yeah, yeah, I find it and also find

703
00:39:12,245 --> 00:39:15,165
Speaker 1: it very interesting, like when they were recruiting people. Did

704
00:39:15,165 --> 00:39:17,125
Speaker 1: they just have these whips like on hand, like to

705
00:39:17,205 --> 00:39:22,845
Speaker 1: give like, okay, here you go, here's your craft sashion before. Yeah,

706
00:39:22,845 --> 00:39:27,245
Speaker 1: like a crafting, crafting with my buds. Maybe they're like

707
00:39:27,405 --> 00:39:29,405
Speaker 1: Jedis where they have to like the Jedies have to

708
00:39:29,405 --> 00:39:31,405
Speaker 1: make their own lightsabers. Maybe you have to make your

709
00:39:31,405 --> 00:39:35,725
Speaker 1: own whip, like a richual whip making. Yeah, that makes sense.

710
00:39:35,765 --> 00:39:37,045
Speaker 1: You gotta bring them out and be like, okay, we

711
00:39:37,045 --> 00:39:40,165
Speaker 1: gotta make your whips first, here's your supplies. Here's what

712
00:39:40,205 --> 00:39:45,685
Speaker 1: you do. Step one, get your stick to join your

713
00:39:45,725 --> 00:39:51,445
Speaker 1: cult um. Ok So it was kind of intense, and

714
00:39:51,845 --> 00:39:55,365
Speaker 1: the flagellants would whip themselves so hard that they would

715
00:39:55,485 --> 00:39:59,765
Speaker 1: draw blood, spraying crowds, and some people would think the

716
00:39:59,805 --> 00:40:02,485
Speaker 1: blood was holy because of their sacrifice, and they would

717
00:40:02,485 --> 00:40:05,125
Speaker 1: put the blood on their eyes or in their bodies,

718
00:40:05,565 --> 00:40:08,925
Speaker 1: leaving that it had miraculous properties. So you can just

719
00:40:08,925 --> 00:40:10,845
Speaker 1: imagine the picture that we're painting here. You know, they're

720
00:40:10,845 --> 00:40:14,605
Speaker 1: on the town square encircle, chanting and whipping themselves. Other

721
00:40:14,685 --> 00:40:18,365
Speaker 1: times the iron spikes or nails would get stuck inside

722
00:40:18,365 --> 00:40:20,725
Speaker 1: the flesh and it would take two or three tries

723
00:40:20,765 --> 00:40:25,645
Speaker 1: to dislodge the body, sometimes taking chunks of flesh with it.

724
00:40:25,645 --> 00:40:29,165
Speaker 1: I don't like. I hate when flesh is described in

725
00:40:29,325 --> 00:40:32,125
Speaker 1: chunk chunks. I hate it. Two I wrote it hate

726
00:40:32,125 --> 00:40:36,285
Speaker 1: the word chunk. M It doesn't sound cute. It's just

727
00:40:36,485 --> 00:40:39,765
Speaker 1: it is cute if it's a big, fat cat chunk.

728
00:40:40,045 --> 00:40:43,285
Speaker 1: But that's yeah, chunk, I guess, but not if it's

729
00:40:43,325 --> 00:40:47,045
Speaker 1: flesh chunks, Oh, a little chunk. Also, I like with

730
00:40:47,085 --> 00:40:49,165
Speaker 1: them being sprayed with blood. It sounds like a cool

731
00:40:49,245 --> 00:40:51,365
Speaker 1: concert or something, you know, like when people are like

732
00:40:51,405 --> 00:40:55,005
Speaker 1: spraying champagne bottles, but it's blood instead. Yeah. I when

733
00:40:55,125 --> 00:40:58,085
Speaker 1: I used to go to Catholic Mass when I was younger,

734
00:40:58,485 --> 00:41:02,005
Speaker 1: and the priest would spray us with holy water, I'd

735
00:41:02,045 --> 00:41:06,485
Speaker 1: be like, hey, all excited, open my mouth for thee

736
00:41:06,565 --> 00:41:10,845
Speaker 1: oh my gosh. Anyway, I thought it was so fun. Okay,

737
00:41:11,645 --> 00:41:15,005
Speaker 1: so okay, so I know what y'all were thinking. Did

738
00:41:15,045 --> 00:41:20,245
Speaker 1: it work? Yeah, it didn't work. Well no, So we'll

739
00:41:20,245 --> 00:41:23,805
Speaker 1: never really know because maybe maybe somehow their prayers did

740
00:41:23,805 --> 00:41:26,365
Speaker 1: work and their sacrifices did work. But what we do

741
00:41:26,445 --> 00:41:29,645
Speaker 1: know is that the Black death raged on even after

742
00:41:29,685 --> 00:41:33,845
Speaker 1: the pope proclaimed that flagellents were heretics and excommunicating them,

743
00:41:34,445 --> 00:41:36,685
Speaker 1: and they didn't stop at first. They were like, we're

744
00:41:36,685 --> 00:41:41,205
Speaker 1: going to keep going. But then other people in Europe

745
00:41:41,245 --> 00:41:45,205
Speaker 1: started realizing that flagelens were supposed to be excommunicated, and

746
00:41:45,245 --> 00:41:47,645
Speaker 1: they started treating them differently. And then flagellents kind of

747
00:41:47,685 --> 00:41:49,525
Speaker 1: dissolved a little bit. They came back again in the

748
00:41:49,565 --> 00:41:51,645
Speaker 1: sixteenth century a little bit, but for the most part

749
00:41:52,245 --> 00:41:56,045
Speaker 1: Medieval Black Death flagellents kind of just like fell apart.

750
00:41:56,085 --> 00:41:59,525
Speaker 1: The group fell apart like any good boy band. It

751
00:41:59,685 --> 00:42:03,085
Speaker 1: has to fall apart at some point, that's true, yeah,

752
00:42:03,125 --> 00:42:06,205
Speaker 1: And so they kind of dissolved. And then also another

753
00:42:06,245 --> 00:42:09,925
Speaker 1: reason why we don't think it worked is because some

754
00:42:09,965 --> 00:42:13,165
Speaker 1: people notice the flagellents brought the play to towns where

755
00:42:13,165 --> 00:42:17,445
Speaker 1: the plague had in surface to first gotta be set

756
00:42:17,485 --> 00:42:21,165
Speaker 1: it first, exactly, and so flageleents were actually denied entry

757
00:42:21,445 --> 00:42:25,165
Speaker 1: into the towns because they were like, you're carrying this disease,

758
00:42:25,205 --> 00:42:28,005
Speaker 1: you're not actually helping. And so what they would do

759
00:42:28,405 --> 00:42:31,365
Speaker 1: is they would wait outside of the town and basically

760
00:42:31,485 --> 00:42:37,005
Speaker 1: do the self flagelling flag flogging outside of the town

761
00:42:37,285 --> 00:42:39,685
Speaker 1: more because they were like, we're so bad, we have

762
00:42:39,885 --> 00:42:45,525
Speaker 1: the plane no, that's not funny, not funny, but it's

763
00:42:45,565 --> 00:42:47,685
Speaker 1: just like, no, I found it very funny. I found

764
00:42:47,685 --> 00:42:50,685
Speaker 1: that very very funny. Actually, like, bro, you're not helping,

765
00:42:50,805 --> 00:42:53,325
Speaker 1: Yes we are. No, you're literally not I know. And

766
00:42:53,325 --> 00:42:56,405
Speaker 1: then they like feel more guilty so they do it more. Yeah,

767
00:42:56,565 --> 00:43:00,725
Speaker 1: so a fun time that like not done it and

768
00:43:00,965 --> 00:43:04,445
Speaker 1: that would have been the best solution. Absolutely, yeah, staying

769
00:43:04,605 --> 00:43:07,485
Speaker 1: home and so full distancing would have been the best solution.

770
00:43:07,605 --> 00:43:10,325
Speaker 1: But you know, if they didn't know it then and

771
00:43:10,405 --> 00:43:13,405
Speaker 1: people barely do it now, then I don't I think

772
00:43:13,445 --> 00:43:16,805
Speaker 1: I've lost hope for a humanity. Well, thank you, Nika.

773
00:43:17,245 --> 00:43:24,045
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk just about that when we come back. Okay,

774
00:43:24,085 --> 00:43:29,205
Speaker 1: welcome back. As we all know now, unfortunately we're too

775
00:43:29,205 --> 00:43:33,045
Speaker 1: familiar with plagues and people are still doing weird shit

776
00:43:33,125 --> 00:43:36,165
Speaker 1: to try and fix it. But disclaimer of guys, please

777
00:43:36,325 --> 00:43:38,885
Speaker 1: just do as scientists tell you and don't do weird shit.

778
00:43:39,165 --> 00:43:42,485
Speaker 1: There's a plague. What's happening? We're in a gabby? Did

779
00:43:42,525 --> 00:43:46,885
Speaker 1: you know that what we are in a plague? Isn't

780
00:43:46,885 --> 00:43:52,125
Speaker 1: that crazy? We're so random. It's such a vibe, honestly,

781
00:43:52,485 --> 00:43:56,285
Speaker 1: such a vibe. It's something it's not I hate COVID.

782
00:43:56,325 --> 00:43:59,645
Speaker 1: It's killed people. I love. It's terrible. Yeah, so we're

783
00:43:59,645 --> 00:44:02,045
Speaker 1: going to talk about the Black Death further. So this

784
00:44:02,125 --> 00:44:06,125
Speaker 1: was a plague that was originated from bacteria that fleas

785
00:44:06,165 --> 00:44:10,885
Speaker 1: would carry on rats. Barf, barf, barf. That's discussed. Please

786
00:44:10,885 --> 00:44:14,085
Speaker 1: please are canceled. But love rats, they're just doing the

787
00:44:14,165 --> 00:44:17,445
Speaker 1: Lord's world. Don't talk about don't talk about those things.

788
00:44:17,885 --> 00:44:21,525
Speaker 1: I know our listeners get real triggered by time about rats.

789
00:44:21,845 --> 00:44:27,645
Speaker 1: I don't like them. And actually I know someone who

790
00:44:27,805 --> 00:44:31,925
Speaker 1: has one as a pet and their lat or like

791
00:44:31,965 --> 00:44:38,725
Speaker 1: a mouse or a bacteria or a the R word okay,

792
00:44:38,925 --> 00:44:42,765
Speaker 1: and she's like, they're very intelligent and actually great pets,

793
00:44:42,925 --> 00:44:45,685
Speaker 1: but I just cannot. Also, apparently they're like ridiculously clean,

794
00:44:45,965 --> 00:44:48,365
Speaker 1: but then how do they get the plague? Huh? Well,

795
00:44:48,365 --> 00:44:50,805
Speaker 1: that explained to me that rat because this was medieval

796
00:44:50,845 --> 00:44:53,325
Speaker 1: times and shit was really dirty. Then they didn't know

797
00:44:53,365 --> 00:44:55,805
Speaker 1: about bacteria and stuff like that. They didn't know that

798
00:44:56,165 --> 00:44:59,045
Speaker 1: being clean was good. Okay, I didn't even like wash

799
00:44:59,125 --> 00:45:01,725
Speaker 1: their hands yet. They didn't know to wash your hands.

800
00:45:02,085 --> 00:45:04,725
Speaker 1: So fleas are on the rats, but they didn't know

801
00:45:04,805 --> 00:45:07,725
Speaker 1: that they religious. Like all of a sudden, people were

802
00:45:07,725 --> 00:45:10,645
Speaker 1: getting these like welts all over their body, like predominently

803
00:45:10,685 --> 00:45:15,325
Speaker 1: in their like armpits and groin grells. The welts would

804
00:45:15,405 --> 00:45:19,885
Speaker 1: leak m pus and blood, say it pus and blood,

805
00:45:20,405 --> 00:45:25,085
Speaker 1: and you would also have flu like symptoms, fever, chills, eggs, vomit,

806
00:45:25,165 --> 00:45:31,645
Speaker 1: and Nika, I will spare you the D word, so diarrhea.

807
00:45:29,805 --> 00:45:35,965
Speaker 1: I decided to do that. I decided I'm a bad girl.

808
00:45:36,885 --> 00:45:40,685
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I actively decided not to bully you, Nica,

809
00:45:41,605 --> 00:45:45,885
Speaker 1: and I decided violence. Yeah, well I got me choosing violence.

810
00:45:46,125 --> 00:45:51,125
Speaker 1: Nothing surprising, thanks for ruining my day. It's almost my season. Well,

811
00:45:51,165 --> 00:45:56,645
Speaker 1: I mean it's currently your season, though I know Libra

812
00:45:56,805 --> 00:45:59,645
Speaker 1: Libra season is so nice and airy and pretty, and

813
00:45:59,685 --> 00:46:04,125
Speaker 1: then Scorpio season is like kremlin time. They'll Scorpio season

814
00:46:04,205 --> 00:46:06,885
Speaker 1: is the season where you would wear somebody else's skin, Nika.

815
00:46:07,045 --> 00:46:12,125
Speaker 1: So yeah, well my scorpios actually, my mars and my

816
00:46:12,285 --> 00:46:15,405
Speaker 1: venus are in Scorpio, so I actually I love I

817
00:46:15,485 --> 00:46:21,125
Speaker 1: love Scorpio energy. But Libre season is just very graceful, okay,

818
00:46:21,165 --> 00:46:25,245
Speaker 1: and like pretty. And I said, I wasn't going to

819
00:46:25,325 --> 00:46:33,525
Speaker 1: bully you, but you're you're taking just trying to defend myself. Okay,

820
00:46:33,565 --> 00:46:37,605
Speaker 1: go ahead, Okay. So, as you can imagine, people have

821
00:46:37,725 --> 00:46:40,965
Speaker 1: always been doing weird, weird stuff to try and cure

822
00:46:41,245 --> 00:46:48,765
Speaker 1: diseases and um like peeing on yourself. Yeah, people do exactly. Yeah.

823
00:46:48,885 --> 00:46:54,445
Speaker 1: So there are a few other tactics besides lashing themselves

824
00:46:55,005 --> 00:46:58,965
Speaker 1: that people would do, many of which were rubbing various

825
00:46:58,965 --> 00:47:03,205
Speaker 1: herbs and roots and stuff on the boils. But they

826
00:47:03,205 --> 00:47:06,245
Speaker 1: were like essentially like making their own potions. They would

827
00:47:06,285 --> 00:47:10,925
Speaker 1: also drink vinegar, mercury, and even arsenic, which I'm sure

828
00:47:11,605 --> 00:47:16,005
Speaker 1: you can guess how that went. They all die. Mercury

829
00:47:16,285 --> 00:47:19,565
Speaker 1: drives people crazy well, but also arsenic, like people were

830
00:47:19,605 --> 00:47:21,725
Speaker 1: just killing themselves. Oh yeah, I know, no, I know that.

831
00:47:22,765 --> 00:47:25,245
Speaker 1: But actually one of the more popular potions is actually

832
00:47:25,325 --> 00:47:29,405
Speaker 1: used today and non traditional like medical type practices. It's

833
00:47:29,445 --> 00:47:33,725
Speaker 1: called four thieves vinegar. There's one ingredient per thief, that's

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Speaker 1: why it's four thieves. It most commonly had like vinegar obviously,

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Speaker 1: sage cloves, rosemary, and today it's like it's like a

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Speaker 1: bad antibacterial tonic to keep germs at bay, which is

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Speaker 1: very interesting to me. Does it like work? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, no, I mean, it's not like it's

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Speaker 1: not bad for you, but it didn't like cure the

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Speaker 1: Black Day definitely not so um. Others other people would

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Speaker 1: like overheat themselves to essentially try and smoke out the disease.

842
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Speaker 1: People did that with COVID two. Yeah, well people, but

843
00:48:07,805 --> 00:48:09,685
Speaker 1: they refused to do the one thing that actually worked.

844
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Speaker 1: So yeah, so they sit by fires. Others would try

845
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Speaker 1: blood letting, which was actually relative was a very popular thing,

846
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Speaker 1: so they put leeches on their skin to like draw

847
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Speaker 1: the bad blood. And you guys, being a leech collector

848
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Speaker 1: during this time was quite the hot career people were making.

849
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Speaker 1: I thought, Taylor, I literally thought you were to say,

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Speaker 1: being a leech collector myself, I was like, what, no,

851
00:48:33,045 --> 00:48:40,205
Speaker 1: you collect more than porcelain horses? What? Okay, I did earlier?

852
00:48:40,365 --> 00:48:43,805
Speaker 1: I know I needed I needed to get back to

853
00:48:43,845 --> 00:48:49,205
Speaker 1: you lovingly. Okay, back at you? Did they use back then? No? Okay?

854
00:48:49,405 --> 00:48:53,845
Speaker 1: But so what about ketamine? So no, would you quit

855
00:48:53,885 --> 00:48:59,005
Speaker 1: guessing and just listen? Yeah? Okay, So they would use leeches, okay,

856
00:48:59,045 --> 00:49:03,805
Speaker 1: other people? So so there was also like there was

857
00:49:03,965 --> 00:49:06,405
Speaker 1: a big group of people obviously they decided to use

858
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Speaker 1: religious cures. So in addition to what Nico was talking about.

859
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Speaker 1: They would also use serpents, which were obviously synonymous with

860
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Speaker 1: the devil, so they like chop up snakes and rub

861
00:49:18,805 --> 00:49:22,445
Speaker 1: them on their skin to draw quote, draw out the devil.

862
00:49:23,205 --> 00:49:27,085
Speaker 1: And then others would pluck a chicken butt and rub

863
00:49:27,125 --> 00:49:30,485
Speaker 1: the bare bum of a chicken on you until the

864
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Speaker 1: chicken got sick, and then they were like, oh, well

865
00:49:33,525 --> 00:49:37,205
Speaker 1: the chicken has absorbed my sickness, which is really rude

866
00:49:37,325 --> 00:49:41,765
Speaker 1: to chickens and also the snakes. Yeah, but you guys,

867
00:49:42,005 --> 00:49:46,845
Speaker 1: the most effective stop the spread is drum roll. Are

868
00:49:46,885 --> 00:49:54,565
Speaker 1: you ready? Yeah. Social distancing death is literally when social

869
00:49:54,605 --> 00:49:58,165
Speaker 1: distancing was invented. So, as Nika kind of mentioned, like,

870
00:49:58,205 --> 00:50:00,165
Speaker 1: it got to the point where like these were these

871
00:50:00,205 --> 00:50:02,925
Speaker 1: super spreader events, people going out and like you know,

872
00:50:03,125 --> 00:50:06,845
Speaker 1: trying to bring people into do the lash, and so

873
00:50:07,085 --> 00:50:09,365
Speaker 1: it got to a point where they're like they started

874
00:50:09,525 --> 00:50:11,485
Speaker 1: monitoring and they were like, yeah, you can't come in.

875
00:50:11,565 --> 00:50:12,885
Speaker 1: You were you were sick and you were going to

876
00:50:12,925 --> 00:50:16,165
Speaker 1: get us sick. They didn't understand like the spread of germs.

877
00:50:16,165 --> 00:50:18,725
Speaker 1: They that concept wasn't there, but they understood that it

878
00:50:18,845 --> 00:50:21,445
Speaker 1: had to do with like proximity of other people. So

879
00:50:21,485 --> 00:50:25,365
Speaker 1: they figured that out, and so that's when they decided, hey,

880
00:50:26,085 --> 00:50:28,565
Speaker 1: stop coming near us, and you guys need to stay home.

881
00:50:28,725 --> 00:50:31,245
Speaker 1: So they started saying like you gotta stay like they

882
00:50:31,245 --> 00:50:33,085
Speaker 1: started selling people that they had to say home. Some

883
00:50:33,165 --> 00:50:36,045
Speaker 1: instances they would have like special areas that were just

884
00:50:36,245 --> 00:50:39,565
Speaker 1: for people who were sick that they would just stay quarantine.

885
00:50:39,605 --> 00:50:44,405
Speaker 1: So they were literally quarantining. And that's ultimately like what

886
00:50:44,565 --> 00:50:48,285
Speaker 1: was reduced the spread, and it came up because of

887
00:50:48,485 --> 00:50:52,525
Speaker 1: black death, so it eventually it slowed down after like

888
00:50:52,565 --> 00:50:56,045
Speaker 1: four USh years, so guys were two down, two years down,

889
00:50:56,045 --> 00:50:59,685
Speaker 1: two to go. But yeah, you know, but get vaccinated.

890
00:50:59,805 --> 00:51:04,765
Speaker 1: So there you have it. You're sick, stay home. But

891
00:51:05,005 --> 00:51:08,125
Speaker 1: what I find hilarious is like social distancing was to

892
00:51:08,285 --> 00:51:12,205
Speaker 1: crazy concept like proximity, but then putting rubbing a chicken

893
00:51:12,245 --> 00:51:14,845
Speaker 1: on the welt and then the chicken getting sick, it

894
00:51:14,965 --> 00:51:17,165
Speaker 1: like that made perfect to them. I didn't. I mean,

895
00:51:17,205 --> 00:51:19,325
Speaker 1: that's how it's still like today, right, I mean, people

896
00:51:19,325 --> 00:51:21,085
Speaker 1: are like social discing and dumb and they want to

897
00:51:21,085 --> 00:51:23,565
Speaker 1: have viber mactin instead. It seems like that, Oh I

898
00:51:23,565 --> 00:51:26,885
Speaker 1: mean yeah, no, I listen, yeah, so people are historians

899
00:51:26,925 --> 00:51:28,485
Speaker 1: are gonna be talking about this in fifty years and

900
00:51:28,565 --> 00:51:32,085
Speaker 1: be like that was so dumb. A new plague will

901
00:51:32,085 --> 00:51:35,645
Speaker 1: come up and then it'll just the next generation of kidavergals.

902
00:51:36,405 --> 00:51:38,365
Speaker 1: They're gonna be talking anyway. I cut you off, Taylor,

903
00:51:38,445 --> 00:51:40,325
Speaker 1: you had a big point. I did have another point.

904
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Speaker 1: So this was actually the Black Plague was essentially kind

905
00:51:44,765 --> 00:51:49,125
Speaker 1: of the end of the what is called the Medieval times,

906
00:51:49,205 --> 00:51:54,765
Speaker 1: because people were starting to realize that these quote religious

907
00:51:54,845 --> 00:51:59,445
Speaker 1: cures didn't work. They were like, wait, this isn't so

908
00:51:59,485 --> 00:52:03,205
Speaker 1: they kind of started to change their thinking. They started

909
00:52:03,245 --> 00:52:06,165
Speaker 1: to figure out that it's like proximity and that germs

910
00:52:06,165 --> 00:52:09,325
Speaker 1: would like spread and they So this was kind of

911
00:52:09,325 --> 00:52:13,605
Speaker 1: the beginning of or like the in the end of

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00:52:13,805 --> 00:52:17,285
Speaker 1: medieval times, in the beginning of more modern times, kind

913
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Speaker 1: of like how right now people are realizing that the

914
00:52:19,645 --> 00:52:23,765
Speaker 1: system we're under is total bullshit. I mean, that's a

915
00:52:23,805 --> 00:52:27,565
Speaker 1: whole other podcast. But yeah, oh yeah, I'm not I'm

916
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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I'm just like, well, what's wrong with

917
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Speaker 1: the world, Nika, what are you talking about? I just

918
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Speaker 1: want to thank the flagellum of the bacteria from the

919
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Speaker 1: Black Death for bringing the medieval people into the enlightened ages,

920
00:52:45,085 --> 00:52:49,365
Speaker 1: which is an ironic way to state that, But okay,

921
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Speaker 1: thank you, get Nika, You're welcome. Okay, Well, do we

922
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Speaker 1: have any closing thoughts? People, get vaccinated, quarantine if you're sick,

923
00:52:57,445 --> 00:53:02,005
Speaker 1: if you're not feeling well, stay home, get tested, don't spread,

924
00:53:02,925 --> 00:53:06,365
Speaker 1: don't splatter your blood on people. Yeah, yeah, that too,

925
00:53:06,725 --> 00:53:10,765
Speaker 1: unless it's consensual, Unless you can do whatever you want

926
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Speaker 1: as long as contentual exactly. All right, Well, thank you

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Speaker 1: everyone for listening to this week's glory episode of cadaver Gals.

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Speaker 1: Until next week. Bye. Cadaver Gals is a production of

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Speaker 1: School of Humans in iHeartRadio. It is hosted, written, and

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Speaker 1: all that good stuff by Nika Jarte, Gabby Watts, and

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Speaker 1: me Taylor Church. You can follow us on Twitter and

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Speaker 1: Instagram if it's still there at calaver Gals.