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Speaker 1: Nathan Zigura. Hi. Let's do it live on a Victory Monday,

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Speaker 1: presented by Tito's Handmade Vodka. We will get to our

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Speaker 1: game and uh the jubilation that comes with that. But

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Speaker 1: but obviously off the top, it is the the topic

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Speaker 1: sports world, absolutely in the NFL world. Acutely what we

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Speaker 1: saw last night in the Cincinnati game. UM, I was

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Speaker 1: watching with my wife and my son and the three

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Speaker 1: And I'm sitting there with my son and he says

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Speaker 1: don't know, I don't I don't know. UM. And as

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Speaker 1: we were texting back and forth trying to ascertain information. UM,

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Speaker 1: obviously there is no NFL precedent for that. For for

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Speaker 1: what we witnessed last night, you knew pretty quickly that

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Speaker 1: it was a different tone coming back, and you knew

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Speaker 1: that it was serious. And when you started to see

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Speaker 1: the the images of the players faces z and you

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Speaker 1: saw the tears streaming and eyes welled with tears, it

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Speaker 1: hit you differently. And you did sit there wondering for

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Speaker 1: a waiting for a long time, and as the three

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Speaker 1: of us were all texting and we all have different

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Speaker 1: contexts throughout the league and trying to figure out what

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Speaker 1: was happening on the ground. Um, it was as terrifying

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Speaker 1: a moment as you'll ever see in sport. It's what

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Speaker 1: ms K and I were watching with Harrison Ford, which

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Speaker 1: game on a second TV and I was paying attention.

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Speaker 1: I saw the play, saw Ti Higgins get the catch,

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Speaker 1: saw the tackle. I did not see him fall down

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Speaker 1: to your point, you're sitting there, what's going on? And

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Speaker 1: I was texting about a bunch of different people. Um,

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Speaker 1: and then you know, somebody brought up like what if

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Speaker 1: as you mentioned, you see the player's reactions what was

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Speaker 1: it initially you couldn't tell who was down. And once

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Speaker 1: I saw players, Jersey said, Okay, it's not Jordan's and

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Speaker 1: and you know he would he had played here and

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Speaker 1: obviously that transpired after that, and I had I have

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Speaker 1: a good friend who I've mentioned many times on the show,

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Speaker 1: p Disease who has had a pdftric cardiology at the

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Speaker 1: clinic and tremendous beer punk player, which are two separate

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Speaker 1: And that's continues to be where we are today. UM.

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Speaker 1: very good changes and adjustments at the half that we're helpful,

430
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Speaker 1: and that's why we haven't heard anything about that, which

431
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 1: is funny given how quickly people are to attack him.

432
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Speaker 1: But I thought that it was a masterful performance and

433
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Speaker 1: in all shapes, all facets, and and some great balls

434
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Speaker 1: from Dushan. It was exactly what you needed, because at

435
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Speaker 1: halftime you're thinking about coming in here and doing this

436
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Speaker 1: show today, and it was terrifying. It was a terrifying prospect.

437
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 1: And now you're like, that's the glimpse, right, You're just

438
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 1: hoping at some point the glimpse, right, what's this gonna

439
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 1: be like? And now we got served a beautiful piece

440
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 1: of prime rib to to wet our beak a little bit. Yeah,

441
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 1: the he hit a throw on a cover two I

442
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Speaker 1: think it was to a mari inside the red zone

443
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Speaker 1: inside the tennis somewhere there between the on the on

444
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 1: the left side gets their cover for you. Yeah, and

445
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 1: he hit it. He hit that corner, deep corner, and

446
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 1: he went, Okay, that's that. I just need that. It

447
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 1: was waiting for that because if you watch the Niners

448
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Speaker 1: game the week before, they play a ton of quarters,

449
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Speaker 1: and so in a quarters coverage, if it will count

450
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Speaker 1: from like the left side, because this happened on the

451
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Speaker 1: left side formation and the outside receivers won. The inside

452
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: receivers too. If one runs a vertical, which we did,

453
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: then two is covered by the safety who's deep and

454
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Speaker 1: when you come up on that safety at ten plus yards,

455
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Speaker 1: you on that route from the slot can go in out,

456
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 1: angle in, angle out, or you could keep running straight

457
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 1: right Adam and try to run by him while he's

458
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: a little bit flat pod. The Niners put Kittle in

459
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Speaker 1: that position all game long. They'd run a vertical on

460
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Speaker 1: the outside. He sometimes would run inbreaking, but he ran

461
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Speaker 1: that out all the time. It's exactly what, by the way,

462
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Speaker 1: the Bengals did. That's how Jamar Chase got all those

463
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Speaker 1: catch against US our quarters and he'd running out from

464
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Speaker 1: the slot, and I was waiting for that, and I

465
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: was like, I was calling for it on the broadcast,

466
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: says that's where they're vulnerable. And then you get a

467
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: match up on a safety force and Ty had a

468
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: very nice year. But that was a big and then

469
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Speaker 1: you have to beat throw that from the far Hash

470
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Speaker 1: hit him right there. That was a big time throwing.

471
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Speaker 1: Then the touchdown that followed was the patience of it.

472
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Speaker 1: Oh and then he hit chief on the against their

473
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Speaker 1: cover three and that kind of slot fade. That was

474
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Speaker 1: a great ball. It was like this, some these are

475
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Speaker 1: elite throws. It's elite recognition and he was taking because

476
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Speaker 1: of our scheme, the pre snap information that was provided

477
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: by some of the motions using it and throw. It

478
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: was perfect, and that's what you wanted to see, perfect,

479
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: little bit elite. It was elite, and that's that's what

480
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Speaker 1: we were waiting for. You exactly right that those are

481
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: Those were some good balls. And then the recognition of

482
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Speaker 1: the way that our scheme forced their safety to choose

483
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: and he went with the vertical and then you had

484
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Speaker 1: a Mari on the cross or on the touchdown. That

485
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: was great. The touchdown to DPJ two, hang in the pocket,

486
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 1: go one to three. He was probably his third read

487
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 1: there come to him. It was just that's we've gotten

488
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: a little teeny taste, but we hadn't seeing it put together,

489
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Speaker 1: not drive, not three touchdowns and three possessions, which is

490
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Speaker 1: we're like, okay, that's what we can be here. And

491
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Speaker 1: when you think about the negative feelings that were up

492
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Speaker 1: until that point, it was necessary, it really was, and

493
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: it was it was good to see um, all right,

494
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 1: we will really go ahead tother just real quickly. Dan

495
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Speaker 1: Pain is gonna be a free agent. I don't know

496
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Speaker 1: if they let him hit the I don't know what

497
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 1: their financial situation is, but sold, gimme come on home.

498
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: I mean he had two sacks. He could have had five.

499
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the only thing Watson did, some unbelievable Houdini.

500
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: Although I did say on the broadcast, which made me

501
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: laugh and a few of my friends as well, that

502
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 1: they should have set that one play to like the

503
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 1: curb music where he's like he sacked running around and

504
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: then throws it to Conklin. What's supposed to do? I

505
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: mean that's he's just running for his life and he

506
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Speaker 1: sees the guy that was. That was the point where

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Speaker 1: it was like, we need something good on the next

508
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 1: we need something good now, Like it's time to get

509
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Speaker 1: something good. Yea, and we got it. That was That

510
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: was tough least um all right, coming up, we'll get

511
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Speaker 1: some perspective on them the night last night in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: Sal Capaccio was there. He's on the sidelines for Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: He'll join us for a quick chat about what it

514
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Speaker 1: was like for him last night and where they are

515
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Speaker 1: now as an organization. That's coming up next. You listen

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Speaker 1: we are joined very gracious to give us some of

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Speaker 1: his time. I can't imagine what's going through your head.

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Speaker 1: Sal Capaccio joining us Bill's beaten sideline reporter hosts the

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Speaker 1: Extra Point Show in w g R five fifty, Buffalo. Sal,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much, and what I have to assume

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Speaker 1: is an absolutely impossible day. UM. Can you take us

532
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Speaker 1: through where you are now? Um from a headspace perspective,

533
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Speaker 1: my friend? Yeah, thanks, um physical physically I'm at home, UM,

534
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Speaker 1: doing a lot of radio spots today around the country nationally,

535
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Speaker 1: and you know, like yours, to trying to give a

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Speaker 1: perspective of what happened, you know, last night, and also

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00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 1: to be quite honest on that note, to to help

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Speaker 1: me out today because last night, while I'm in the

539
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:20,719
Speaker 1: in the process of you know, going through everything. I'm

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Speaker 1: reporting on it and I'm talking about it's my job,

541
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: and you know, you see the emotion and the gravity

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Speaker 1: of it. But I think today it's it hits home

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Speaker 1: even more because now I'm sitting with it a little

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Speaker 1: bit more, you know. So you know, for me, that's

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Speaker 1: what it is. It's reflecting on what I witnessed last night.

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Speaker 1: And you know, there were there was a lot that

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00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: I saw down there, but now I'm seeing I didn't

548
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: watch the broadcast, you know, I'm on the field and

549
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: now I'm seeing some of the shots that I didn't

550
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: see last night, and some of the players that might

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Speaker 1: have been on the other side of the field or something,

552
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: and the emotion that was coming out from there. So

553
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: it's but a tough day. It's been a tough night obviously. Um,

554
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: you know, doing our best to kind of keep everybody

555
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: inform and get information ourselves. So are there any updates?

556
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: Is there anything you could tell us of out to

557
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: mar or is it's still the same critical condition and

558
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: in care in Cincinnati. Yeah. Actually, the Bills did just

559
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: release a statement not too long ago, about ten minutes ago.

560
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: They said that tomorrow did spend last night and intensive

561
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: care remains there today in critical condition at the University

562
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati Medical Center. Um, they just send their well

563
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: wishes and thanks for all the support, But that means

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00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: there's really no update since the last night. Um, you know,

565
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: we're probably gonna be here for a while thinking about

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00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: getting these kinds of updates that you know, there's really

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00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 1: not much and I would assume that until there's something

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00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: much more concrete. Uh, you know, we were not going

569
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: to hear from the Bills or even maybe his family

570
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: or anybody else. But you know that's I'm doing what

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00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: everybody else is doing. You checking from the team, the league,

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00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: his family, agencies, things like that. As you know, there's

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00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: unfortunately a Russian this business to try and get things

574
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Speaker 1: first right. Um, it's important here. We just get things right.

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Speaker 1: That's what's important. I mean, I don't care if a

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00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: million people have something before me here. I just want

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00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: to give the correct information to our listeners than anybody

578
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: else I talked to. So I spent many years on

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Speaker 1: the sidelines with the Browns and the and the role

580
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: that you have as the radio sideline reporter. I've seen

581
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: obviously unfortunately awful injuries, as I know that you have

582
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Speaker 1: as well. At what point did you know that this

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Speaker 1: was different and what was kind of your experience through

584
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Speaker 1: your eyes as this went from oh there was an

585
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: injury too, this is life and death. So you know,

586
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Speaker 1: as you know from being down there, if you see

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Speaker 1: a player kind of collapse, fall down, you think I

588
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: would assume to like to me, I think a head injury. Right,

589
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: something happened. I got knocked out right that that's get

590
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: your first inclines. You're not thinking anything like this. So

591
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: that's what I originally thought was something. We didn't know

592
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Speaker 1: who it was by the way. First I saw him

593
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Speaker 1: standing and then collapse, and I thought, boy, that was

594
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Speaker 1: just odd. I wonder if he got hit in the

595
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Speaker 1: head and he got knocked out, and then you know,

596
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: we're trying to figure out who was But what happened

597
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: was immediately was Bengals players and Bills players, but especially

598
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: called Bengals were nearby. We're calling for medical assistance right away.

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Speaker 1: And whenever you see that, you know that if the

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Speaker 1: players on the field no immediately that something is wrong

601
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: like that, then this is something pretty serious. And then

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00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: you saw the medical team rush out and I couldn't.

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Speaker 1: At one point, I thought, are they performing CPR. No,

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Speaker 1: like they wouldn't. That can't be happening, right, I thought,

605
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Speaker 1: maybe they're cutting the face mask off. You know that

606
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: means the hand motion I saw, you know, you can't

607
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Speaker 1: really see him there. Come to find out it was

608
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Speaker 1: both actually because we know they were doing CPR and

609
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Speaker 1: they had to cut off the face mask as well.

610
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Speaker 1: But the moment that it got to a point where

611
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: I said, this is horrific and something tragically wrong. Here

612
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: was the entire bill sideline came off the bench, the staff,

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Speaker 1: the players, the coaches. They formed this really big circle

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Speaker 1: around the medical team working on Tamar, and they had

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Speaker 1: him in the medical team like behind them, their backs

616
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: to them, while the circle was facing out to the stadium.

617
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: And the reason they did that, you could tell they

618
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: didn't want anyone seeing what was happening in there. And

619
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: when that happened, I knew that this is completely awful. Yeah, chilling. Um.

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00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting when you're in those moments um

621
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Speaker 1: and like the one you're in and it's it's I thought,

622
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: those interesting perspective you had earlier when you shared that,

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Speaker 1: you know, it kind of actually resonates and sits home

624
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: with you today more so than last night, sal because,

625
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: as you know, when you're in that spot doing the

626
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: job you're doing, it's it's very it's you're in shock,

627
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: and it's very task oriented. Right, It's like, here's what's next,

628
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: Here's what's next. Um. In the immediate aftermath of this,

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Speaker 1: it appeared from the television and Aikman and Buck said

630
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Speaker 1: it on the broadcast like it was gonna be a

631
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Speaker 1: five minute cool down and then we were gonna play again. Um.

632
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: Can you take us through what you recall from those

633
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: minutes following this and how it eventually ended up? Smart

634
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: heads veiled and said, no, we're done. Yeah, when I

635
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: know everybody's saying that, like Joe Buck said this, and

636
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: I wasn't listening to the TV broadcast, right. I will

637
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: tell you, I don't remember anyone announcing, like the referee,

638
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: anyone he might have. I don't remember anyone saying we'll

639
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: have a five minute warm up. I don't remember anyone

640
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: saying the game is going to resume. What I will

641
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: tell you is the Bill's defense was on the field

642
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: like they were ready. They were well, I wouldn't say ready,

643
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: they were getting prepared to play the next play, and

644
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: I think even they didn't know what was going on.

645
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs was trying to gather the team together and

646
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: give him a little more energy. He had tears in

647
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: his eyes and he's trying to get the team together

648
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: and and talk to him. And then I remember him

649
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: going out and Sir and Neil, who had was filling

650
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: in for Aran Johnson who got concussed earlier in the game,

651
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: or at least was vout being evaluated for concussion. He

652
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: went out and he put his two hands on Sir

653
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: and Neil's face and was like in his face, like

654
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: telling them, like, come on, let's go, get ready. You

655
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: gotta go out there and play. Something to that effect,

656
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: because that's what was happening, like all the sudden. They

657
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: were expected to flip the switch apparently and go out there.

658
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: But I don't know who told them that. I don't

659
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: know if they were just assuming because this is their

660
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: job and that's what they assue happens after these things.

661
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. But while they were doing that, they

662
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: were the defense was on the field, the offense on

663
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: the sidelines. Sean McDermott was speaking with the officials, and

664
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: then I saw Zach Taylor come over and that's when

665
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, Okay, I don't think we're gonna

666
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: play here for a little while, a little while, but

667
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: what's going on? And then maybe five ten minutes after that,

668
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott motioned and said, we're going to the locker room.

669
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: And that was the meeting between McDermott and Zach Taylor.

670
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: That seemed to be the moment where they came together

671
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: and said this is not happening. And the teams went

672
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: were you close to that? Did you? Were you privy

673
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: to anything that was said there? And and kind of

674
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: was that were we reading that right on TV? That

675
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: that was the moment where the coaches basically got together

676
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: and said this isn't happening and we're going in. Well

677
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: are you talking about when they were on the field together. Yeah,

678
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: because yeah, because because I don't know if the I

679
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: don't think a decision was made there on the game itself.

680
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: I think decisions were probably made about maybe going in

681
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: the locker room. Because what's crazy is at that time

682
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: I could see into the tunnel and still see the ambulance.

683
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: Players could see in the tunnel and still see the ambulance.

684
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: You expect these guys to go out there and play

685
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: when they're looking in the ambulance and sitting right there

686
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: with its lights on hadn't left the facility yet, Like

687
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, that was just surreal. And I'm

688
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: I'm assuming now by the time I get in there

689
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: that the ambulance that actually left right around that time, UM,

690
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: and I would assume they were talking about let's get

691
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: in the locker room and regroup. I don't know if

692
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: the decision was made then, so I wasn't privy to that,

693
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: but I will tell you that once that they got

694
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: into the tunnel, they met again. Sean McDermott and Zach

695
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: Taylor were meeting in the tunnel UM off to the

696
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: locker room, basically to the side. We couldn't be over

697
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: there in the hallway, and they wouldn't let any media

698
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: over there, and they were on the phone with what

699
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: I'm presuming is someone from the League office. And then

700
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: I saw Bill's g M. Brandon being CEO Ron Riculia.

701
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: They were all together as well with Seawan as we

702
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: were trying to figure out what was going on, and

703
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: you know, they were keeping us at bay from the media.

704
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: M I'm assuming you travel with the team, and if so,

705
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: what was that and I have done that. I can't

706
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: even imagine what it was like getting on that plane.

707
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: I can't imagine what it was like flying home on

708
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: that plane. What was like being on the buses? It

709
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 1: had to be just and I don't even know what

710
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: what was that like. And you know, there are reports

711
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: as to found Diggs and all the players come back

712
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: or did some of them go to stay at the

713
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: hospital that Diggs had gone to the hospital to see him,

714
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: so they were at the hospital for a while. We

715
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: we gather our things from the media room, the postgame

716
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: media room, and we had to kind of stay in

717
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: the hallway. They wouldn't let the media go anywhere. They

718
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't let us move, and the just people in the organization,

719
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: video people, social media people, the radio crew. We had

720
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: to stay there for a while. Players were coming out

721
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 1: of locker room, they had to stay. They really didn't

722
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: let anybody to move out of our space. And then

723
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: finally we started to move to get on the bus.

724
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: We get on the bus, I would say, maybe I

725
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: will tell you probably stayed on the bus for over

726
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: an hour before we actually pulled out and now now

727
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: realizing why they were waiting for people to get back

728
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: who were at the hospital, because everybody from the team,

729
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: I was told, everybody other than to our handlet obviously

730
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: came back, including Sean McDermott who had been at the hospital.

731
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: Came back to the buses, bus took off, went to

732
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 1: the plane. Um as you know, you know, you can't

733
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: get into details on the specifics of traveling with the

734
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: team and you know what's going on, but I will

735
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 1: tell you that it was just very quiet. You know,

736
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: you don't know who to talk to. You don't want

737
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: to talk to anybody. Nobody wants to talk. You don't

738
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: know what to say. Everybody's on their phones trying to

739
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: get updates. You know, typically a night game. Anyway, You're

740
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: people are gonna be tired. It's gonna be quiet, people

741
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: sleeping on the way to home and things like that.

742
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: But you know, it was it was. It was quiet

743
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: and somber. I'll just say it that way. So thank

744
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: you so much for your time and sharing your perspective

745
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: of and um we appreciate you a great deal, and

746
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: the Browns and the organization thinking and praying for all

747
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: of you. Guys over there and for the most importantly,

748
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: force for tomorrow. So thank you so much for giving

749
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: us some of your time today. Al Right, guys, thank you,

750
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: all right. Salcpacco he's a sideline reporter, hosted the Extra

751
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: Point Show on w g R five fifty Buffalo and

752
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: was on the sidelines last night. Go ahead, yeah, we

753
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: have updates from the NFL. UH. The NFL put out

754
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: this statement literally about seven minutes ago. The NFL continues

755
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: to be in regular contact with the medical team caring

756
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: for tomorrow, Hamlin, and also the Bills and Bengals organizations

757
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: and the NFL Players Association. After speaking with both teams

758
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: and NFL p A leadership, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell informed

759
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: both clubs today that the Bills Bengals game will not

760
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,720
Speaker 1: be resumed this week. The NFL has made no decision

761
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: regarding the possible resumption of the game at a later date.

762
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: The league has not made any changes to the Week

763
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: eighteen Regular Seasons edual. We will continue to provide additional

764
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: information as it becomes available. You know, it's um, it's

765
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: too you know, there's two separate lines of thought bubbles here, right,

766
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 1: there's uh, the continued thoughts and prayers with the individual,

767
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: which is the primary focus and as it should be.

768
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: And then there is also the logistical part of it

769
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: from a football perspective, and that is that there are

770
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: games to be played this week, and if we get

771
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: into that bubble for a second acknowledging our hearts are

772
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: in the other one, if only for a moment. Logistically,

773
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: I don't know how they would pull this off anyway.

774
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you can do anything, um sort of,

775
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: But you're talking about if you try to play this game,

776
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: if you try to play this game at some point,

777
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: where do you shoehorn it in? And I'm you know,

778
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: it's an atography to write my head around. Would you

779
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: postpone the playoffs a week, eliminate the week between the

780
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: championship games and the Super Bowl, and then play this

781
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: as a singular game which feels we're not even sure

782
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: anything is going to be at stake per se. Well,

783
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: maybe that's what they do. Maybe you play week eighteen

784
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: and see if anything would matter from this um and

785
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: and then if it would, maybe that is what you

786
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: would have to do. Because if kent just fring a

787
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 1: football perspective and acknowledging This just feels weird even discussed

788
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: this right now. But from a football perspective, if Kansas

789
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: City wins this weekend, they're the one, and this one

790
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: has less. Cincinnati plays Baltimore. If they win, they win

791
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: the ap C North, so that sort sorts that out.

792
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: Buffalo would have a half game lead over Cincinnati in

793
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: the a f C standings, they'd be the so Buffalo

794
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 1: would be the two, Cincinnati would be the three as

795
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: it stands right now, and that could be flipped the

796
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: two and the three, but that would be it provided

797
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: Kansas City were to win this weekend, and provided Cincinnati

798
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: were to beat Buffalo. The issue would have been had

799
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: Buffalo one in that game, they would have been and

800
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 1: then one week seventeen, they would have been the one seed,

801
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,959
Speaker 1: right regardless of Kansas City. Don't they have a half

802
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: game lead? Doesn't doesn't Kansas City have a half game

803
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: because they haven't played. But if they had played and one,

804
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: they'd be thirteen and three, same as Kansas City. They

805
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 1: would have beaten them head to head and they would

806
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: have been nine and two in the conference, right, so

807
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: they would have both been thirteen and three, so they

808
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: had a chance. They still had a chance of the

809
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: one seed as of last night, which would have meant

810
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: if they didn't even so everything I just said, it's

811
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: even that doesn't work unless Buffalo says we don't care

812
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: about that, which again I don't know. And this is

813
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: you think about that team has been through. I mean,

814
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 1: they had their team moved, they had the game moved,

815
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: they had some people to die in that winter storm,

816
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: and Western New York stuck in Chicago, and now this tragedy,

817
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: all of this and the two scary this the two

818
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: scariest things that have happened this season to uh and

819
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: this both in Cincinnati. They said Tee Higgins and understandably

820
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: so though he did nothing wrong and then catch a pass,

821
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 1: was despondent walking out with his mom. You know, it's

822
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: just horrific, just horrific. I am. I'm not sure and

823
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: I don't think they do. There's no there's no real

824
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: wiggle room from that. What is the schedule like for

825
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: this week? For the obviously, Cincinnati has Baltimore, Buffalo must

826
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: have a Buffalo has a big gun against New England,

827
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: New England at home. New England teams are hurt. New

828
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: England wins there in New England also gets in if

829
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: Miami loses to the Jets and Pittsburgh loses to Cleveland.

830
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: It's a big game. Yeah, it's inconsequential now, but right um,

831
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: at some point it will become so right now, why

832
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: is bot Why do it say right now Baltimore and

833
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: Cincinnati is to be determined on a kick time. I

834
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: just I just saw that as it to be determined Buffalo,

835
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: Cincinnati and Baltimore because they said they haven't made it.

836
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: They've made no determination. So I mean that's don't know.

837
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is the Buffalo game is scheduled. It's

838
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: scheduled for one o'clock Sunday. They host New England. Right now,

839
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: Baltimore at Cincinnati is to be determined. I just saw

840
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: the same thing. I saw a tweet from someone at

841
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: CBS Sports and I and I don't know why to

842
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: be it's to be announced? Where could you move that to? Where? So,

843
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones Later in the days in the four o'clock

844
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: except for l A and Denver, everything else is in Yeah,

845
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: from CBS Sports, Jonathan Jones, this is four minutes ago.

846
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 1: Ravens Bengals will be played Sunday. As of now, it's

847
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: unclear what time the result of last night's game was

848
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 1: to determine what time that a f C north On

849
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: just would take place, whether it's at one PM or

850
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: still so that part's still up in the air. Yeah. Yeah,

851
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: there's a lot to sort through here, both all while

852
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 1: a young man's life hangs in the balance, and just logistically,

853
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine a scenario how you I don't know,

854
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're gonna do. You move, move

855
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,720
Speaker 1: it all back a week, you could call it a tie.

856
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: You have the wiggle room with the Pro Bowl a week,

857
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: but that changes a lot of logistics and a lot

858
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: of things. I mean, now you're giving every team essentially

859
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: a week off in between the place for these two

860
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: and these are two that are there two of the

861
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: five that can win the Super Bowl? Correct? Like you

862
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: know they even do you put it up to the teams.

863
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can. I don't know. I

864
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: think you're onto something when you say, like you see

865
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: how week a team plays out. I mean there's still

866
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: gonna be a conversation you have to have about who's

867
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: seated higher Buffalo or Cincinnati. But yeah, we've never had

868
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: a no contest, So pretty wild stuff, uh, to say

869
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: the least, and sald very gracious with his time and

870
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: incredibly trying time for them. Um, all right, when we

871
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,280
Speaker 1: get back, we will we really haven't had the discussion

872
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: on on our game. The hof will join the program

873
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: as well. We do have the Joe Thomas hour of

874
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 1: the program coming up, um, and I'm guessing we'll we'll

875
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: get some of his views on on what happened last night,

876
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,040
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877
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,520
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893
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Speaker 1: the Joe Thomas hour of the program. Joe, we obviously well,

894
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: well we haven't really spent much time talking about our game,

895
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: and we do want to do that too, but we

896
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: ought to give you the opportunity, um to just get

897
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: your thoughts on what you saw last night, Um, the

898
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: horrific scenes from Cincinnati. We've spent a lot of the

899
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: first hour discussing it. Um, were you watching it live

900
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: when it happened, Joe? And what was the evening like

901
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 1: for you? As a former player who's been down there?

902
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: And uh, certainly knows. I guess some a part of

903
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 1: what the deal is when you put on an NFL

904
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: uniform and a helmet and go get out on that field.

905
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 1: But certainly what we saw last night's not in the brochure.

906
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: You're exactly right, Um, I was actually not watching it live.

907
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: So uh, Monday night football, Thursday night football, Sunday night football.

908
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: I usually kind of joined things a little bit late

909
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: because that seven to seven window is kind of bedtime

910
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: at the house. Um So I was helping mama put

911
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: the kids down, and I'll usually pause the game at

912
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,720
Speaker 1: the beginning and then just kind of catch up through commercials,

913
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: and usually by halftime, I'm all caught up. And as

914
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 1: soon as I had put um my youngest daughter Reese down,

915
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: I came back and got into my room and got

916
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: situated to go turn the game on, and I looked

917
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: at my phone and I started seeing all these X messages,

918
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: and I saw one that the four of us are

919
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: on me, you Z GiB A, And all of a sudden,

920
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, what what happened in

921
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: the game. And so instead of watching, you know, kind

922
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: of what happened up until that point, I quickly just

923
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: fast forwarded, and it was about four or five minutes

924
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: after the play where I caught right up and was

925
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: able to see kind of what happened and then see

926
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: the reaction and then kind of see how things were

927
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: being handled on the field, and you instantly were able

928
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: to understand as soon as Joe Buck said, hey, I

929
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: think they're giving him CPR that's when you realized that

930
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: this was not a head injury where a player, you know,

931
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: lost consciousness, which is terrible, but we've dealt with that before.

932
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: I feel like the NFL understands the course of action,

933
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: and you, as a player, when you step out on

934
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: that field, you understand it's a very violent game. Uh,

935
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: bones break, knees explode, will explode. In my case, Um,

936
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: head injuries are a part of the game. Unfortunately, those

937
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: are the things that you're able to emotionally comprehend when

938
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: they happen. Um. And I think those are the things

939
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: that you've in the past had to watch witness kind

940
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: of take it all in, refocus and go back out

941
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: and play another play. I did an article after I

942
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: retired called move the Drill, which is sort of the

943
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: mantra of an NFL player that you know, you see

944
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: a lot of bad things that happened on a field

945
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: from a injury standpoint. Um, and sometimes it happens to you.

946
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: But the train keeps going no matter what it is.

947
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: But I think last night was different because the train

948
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: didn't keep going because to your point when you said

949
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: it's not part of the brochure, those guys that were

950
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: playing that game, those fans us that were tuning in

951
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: last night to watch. Nobody understands and was able to

952
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 1: comprehend that a player could lose their life on that

953
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: field that night. It has happened in the past. It's

954
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: not that nobody has ever died on a football field,

955
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: but certainly not in recent memory. And I think with

956
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: modern medicine and the way that the NFL and the

957
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: team's monitor players and try to give them the best

958
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: equipment for safety, the best medical care for if something

959
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: does happen, to be able to help them. Um, I

960
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: think we maybe are lulled to sleep a little bit

961
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: with a sense of complacency that, yeah, injuries happen, but

962
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: we'll be okay. But what we saw last night it

963
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: was not okay. It certainly was not, and it was

964
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: It was chilling, and it's still today given that we

965
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: all we know is that he remains inn I see

966
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: you and in critical condition. That it it still is

967
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,919
Speaker 1: a very difficult situation to deal with. You're the only

968
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: one who has been in a locker room. You're the

969
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: only one who has been, you know, on the field

970
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: for situations fortunately not quite like this one. But what

971
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: you know when you saw the reactions of the players.

972
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: What what was going through your mind? And how would

973
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: that be processed in a locker room. I don't know

974
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: how you processed that, because every time you've had to

975
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: deal with traumatic injuries before, eventually you know the guy

976
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: is gonna be okay somewhere down the line. I mean

977
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: even I remember watching the movie about the Jets player,

978
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: was it Bird? The guy broke his neck spiralized, but

979
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: dens Bird. I watched that when I was a kid,

980
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: you know, I was like my son's age, like six

981
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: or seven, loving football, and I watched that movie and

982
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: it was sort of shocking, but there was a happy

983
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 1: ending to it, right, sort of you know, the guy

984
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: ended up having a reasonable life and was able to

985
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: recover a little bit and ended up walking again. Um,

986
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 1: and you know, I think that's what makes players that

987
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: are in that locker room. That what made me feel

988
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: okay going out and playing football. It was like, you

989
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 1: know what, in the end, there's gonna be some some damage,

990
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: maybe possibly right, everybody understands that, you know, there might

991
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: even be some very serious injuries, and in the worst

992
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: case scenarios, there's brain injuries. But you know, the most

993
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 1: people almost everybody that gets injured in the NFL, somewhere

994
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: down the line, there's a happy ending, there's something that

995
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:28,240
Speaker 1: you can feel better about. But when when you're dealing

996
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 1: with a matter of life and death, it's hard to comprehend.

997
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: And I'm sure that those players are instantly feeling this

998
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: is not This is not the game of football that

999
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: I have willfully and lovingly put my arms around my

1000
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: entire life. And I'm not okay playing this game if

1001
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: death is a possibility. Yeah, you know that. In terms

1002
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 1: of where we are now with this damorrow. Hamlin, this

1003
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: from the Bills about forty five minutes ago. Spent last

1004
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: night in the intensive care unit. Remain is there in

1005
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: critical condition at the University of Cincinnati Medical Center, the

1006
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: Bills releasing a statement grateful and thankful for the outpouring

1007
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: of support received thus far. Joe. We also have this

1008
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: from the NFL. The NFL continues to be regular contact

1009
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: with the team caring for Hamlin, The Bills, the Bengals,

1010
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: the NFL p A. After speaking with both teams, NFL

1011
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: p A leadership Roger Goodell informed the clubs today that

1012
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: the Bells Bengals game will not be resumed this week.

1013
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: The NFL has made no decision regarding the possible resumption

1014
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: of the game at a later date. The league has

1015
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: not made any changes the Week eighteen regular season schedule.

1016
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 1: They'll continue to provide additional informations becomes available. I said

1017
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: this in the last segment. There are two separate things here.

1018
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: There's the ongoing thoughts and prayers for tomorrow Hamlet, and

1019
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: then on a separate track, is the football side of

1020
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: it and what the logistically happens here. Um, there's not

1021
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 1: a lot of wiggle room, is there, Joe. Um, there's

1022
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: a game. There's a full slate of games that are

1023
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: played this weekend, and then it's wild card after that,

1024
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: and we're onto it first round of the playoffs. Um,

1025
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: this is one. This this game has a great deal

1026
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: of meaning in terms of standings and all of that,

1027
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: and I understand that that secondary to the health of Hamlin.

1028
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: But at the same time, this thing will this thing

1029
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: will move on. How does the NFL navigate this? How

1030
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: should I haven't Yeah, I haven't really heard any of

1031
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: the possible scenarios because honestly, I woke up today just

1032
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: kind of a little sick to my stomach, a little

1033
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: bit still. Um last night, you know, you're watching that

1034
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: coverage on Fox and they're going to commercial break and

1035
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: then they're coming back, and these poor people in ESPN

1036
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: have to sit there and try to process in real

1037
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: time what's going on, and they're, you know, got a

1038
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: camera in their face for four or five minutes at

1039
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:34,760
Speaker 1: a time, and they don't know what to say. Of course,

1040
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: I thought they'd handled themselves incredibly well and professionally and

1041
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: did a great job with the time that they were

1042
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: forced to be in front of the camera. Um, but

1043
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: I eventually I turned it off before they even decided

1044
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: to cancel the game, because I just say, I couldn't

1045
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: handle it anymore. You know, you just get at that

1046
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: point where emotionally it's too much, it hurts too much,

1047
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 1: and you're just like, I just need to step away

1048
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: for a second. And so I haven't really done my

1049
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: normal Monday Tuesday routine, which is kind of listening to

1050
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: the sports talk radio and reading stuff on the internet

1051
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: about this week's games and the Monday night game and

1052
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,439
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So I just kind of stepped away

1053
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: from football a little bit. However, Um, they're gonna have

1054
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 1: to do something with the game, and I don't mean

1055
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: they have to play it, but they're gonna have to

1056
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: decide does it just end in the tie? Do they

1057
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,240
Speaker 1: ended and you know they haven't played even a quarter,

1058
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: so you can't give one team the victory or the

1059
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: other team the loss. Um, it's almost I think maybe

1060
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: the best course of action is just assume that the

1061
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 1: game didn't play and then just take their win loss

1062
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 1: percentage at the end of the season and then try

1063
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: to stack it up as fairly as you possibly can

1064
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: with the playoff rankings. Um. Like I said, I haven't

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00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 1: gone down that path as far as like how that

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00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 1: would look. Um, but there's no way they can play

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00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: the game like they can't play it today. They they're

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00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: not gonna play it tomorrow. They got games on Sunday,

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00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 1: and then it's the playoffs. There's no way to fit

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00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: this game in at this point in the season. It's impossible.

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00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: All the bye weeks are gone, the playoffs is right

1072
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: around the corner, and so really I think what's gonna

1073
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 1: end up happening is either they're going to give them

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00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: both ties or just assume as if the game didn't

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00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: happen and just to have them play sixteen games and

1076
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: then just match their winning percentage up against the other

1077
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: teams to get that playoff seating. But it's it's definitely

1078
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,439
Speaker 1: something that I think the NFL has been talking about,

1079
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: and we'll probably announce in the next day or two,

1080
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: but certainly one of the options that's not on the

1081
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: table is playing this game in the next two weeks. No,

1082
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: which is a stunning thing. And you know, guys, as

1083
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 1: we've been sitting here talking and we had the Bill

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00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: Sideline reporter on and and I don't know how many

1085
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 1: of you guys had this thought even last night, but

1086
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 1: we're of the of the generation that you know. The

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00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: first thing I thought about, honestly, was was Hank Gathers

1088
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: and that tragedy, and you're just hoping, like this, don't

1089
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 1: let this be that. Now, Hank Gathers had well documented

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00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: hard issues and was being that was it was a

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00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: known thing at the time, but it didn't change the

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00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 1: stunning nature of him collapsing. And I believe it was

1093
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: like the WCC then the West Coast Conference. Also, everyone

1094
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: has seen the images of that, but it's been mostly

1095
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: in documentary form. Nobody was watching that live and was

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00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: an NFL game Monday Night Football. It was something that

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00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: was happening, you know. I meant we mentioned the hockey

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00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 1: stuff that that has happened, happen a couple of times

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00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 1: in hockey. Um so, but yeah, I mean that's that.

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00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: That's certainly that was on the court, and we've seen

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00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: those images, but we didn't it was not wasn't money

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00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: night football and we didn't. No one was watching that

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00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: game live. Is in the middle of night, I'm pretty

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00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: sure on the West coast. Yeah, just it is wild

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Speaker 1: just in half. Just to to your point earlier, if

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Speaker 1: they were to go strictly off of percentage as it

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00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: is today, Buffalo would be the two. Cincinnati would be

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00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: the three, assuming that they both win or both lose

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00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: the next week. Buffalo. If Kansas City were to lose

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Speaker 1: and Buffalo were to win, I do believe that Buffalo

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00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: actual still if they counted as a no game, not

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00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,879
Speaker 1: as a tie, as a no game, then I still

1113
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: think it would hold for Buffalo that they could be

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00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 1: the one seed if Kansas City lost and they won,

1115
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: because they would be thirteen and three. Kancity would be

1116
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: thirteen and four, and thirteen three is a better winning

1117
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: percenters third and four, so that that would be the

1118
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: way to continue that week eight teens, meaning would not

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00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: change now. The only team that would have a problem

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Speaker 1: with that, I am guessing would be the Baltimore Ravens

1121
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: because the Baltimore Ravens best case scenario would be eleven

1122
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: and six, the Bengals worst case scenario be eleven and five,

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00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: so they would have no chance to beat them, even

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00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: though they would have the better division record, Which is,

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Speaker 1: if had the Bills won and then the Ravens beat

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00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: the Bengals, the Ravens actually would have won the a

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00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: f C North, so that would be eliminated the Bills opportunity.

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Speaker 1: The one seed would remain intact. Um. I would have

1129
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: to think Baltimore would be understanding of the circumstances and say, okay,

1130
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: well we're in the playoffs and that's that. Yeah, Yeah,

1131
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's the way they'll go, because

1132
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: it just seems like it's the most fair, um, but

1133
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: certainly unprecedented. And you wonder in in hindsight if the

1134
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: NFL had ever considered this potential and how they would

1135
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: handle it, you know, because it seemed like for a

1136
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: minute there that the NFL is going to have him

1137
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: try to continue playing and both teams just kind of said, no,

1138
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: we can't do that when we don't know if our

1139
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: brother is alive or not. UM. And so I wonder

1140
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: if there's gonna be some new protocols that come out

1141
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: of this as far as you know, resuming to play,

1142
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: when they resumed to play, when they decide not to,

1143
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: and then what happens if they can't make up a game. UM,

1144
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: like the instance that we seem to have right here. Yeah,

1145
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: all right, we will UM, we will move our attention

1146
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: to our game. We did play a win on Sunday

1147
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: against Washington. The offense clicked and we'll get hops to

1148
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: view on what he saw from the offense in the

1149
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: third and fourth quarter. We will do that. Coming up next.

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Speaker 1: Daily As we continue and let's get into our game.

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Speaker 1: We haven't had an opportunity to do that yet and

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01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: for obvious in appropriate reasons. Off Um, this is this

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01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: was what happened in the third quarter and into the fourth.

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01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: It was a long time coming. Nathan and I talked

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01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: about this in the first hour, and it was needed,

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01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: I think, because it was a tough watch for a

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Speaker 1: half of football, and then something clicked in the second

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Speaker 1: half and in the third and fourth quarters. He made

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01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: the point earlier he thought it was the best we've

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Speaker 1: played all season that third quarter of football. I think

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Speaker 1: I probably agree with him on that. Um, what changed

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01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: from your vantage point and how needed was it to

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Speaker 1: get that type of look from the offense, well, the

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01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: execution was a lot better. It seemed like all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, Deshaun Watson was reading the defense and um,

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01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: seeing things before they would happen. You know, the anticipation

1181
01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: got a lot better. Um. The receivers were hitting their

1182
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: routes I think, crisply and opening up some big gashes

1183
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: in the secondary um for Deshaun Watson to hit him.

1184
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: The running game was starting to click, and I think

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01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: all those things are synergistic. So you get one thing

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01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 1: going and then all of a sudden, defenses they're worried

1187
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: a little bit about the passing game. They start to

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01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: take the foot off the gas a little bit. I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to stop your run. Then you're able to gash

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Speaker 1: him in the run game, and then they're kind of, um,

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01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: kind of caught in conflict. They don't know what they're

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Speaker 1: trying to take away from. And then that's the balance

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01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: you're trying to reach on offense. And it was fun

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Speaker 1: to watch, and it was fun to see those guys

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Speaker 1: on offense start to bring a little bit of joy

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Speaker 1: when they were making some of those nice plays, um,

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Speaker 1: because like you mentioned early on, they're kind of stubbing

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Speaker 1: their toe a little bit, especially with the turnovers that

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Speaker 1: the defense was finally providing. It seems like for the

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Speaker 1: first time all season offensively, they just weren't able to

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Speaker 1: capitalize and play that complimentary football that you have to

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Speaker 1: do if you want to be a playoff team next season,

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01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 1: and they were able to get it going in that

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Speaker 1: second half. Did you see anything schematically from Kevin Stefanski

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Speaker 1: that that changed to open it up or was it

1206
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: simply a situation of we were able to protect him

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01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: a little bit better and Deshaun Watson was able to

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01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: pick apart the defense and make some some big time throws.

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01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: You know. I think the protection was was better, so

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01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 1: Deshaun had a little bit more time in the pocket,

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Speaker 1: but then also when he started to scramble. But it

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Speaker 1: seems like also the offense is getting more comfortable with

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Speaker 1: some of these gun runs and some of these runs

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Speaker 1: that Deshaun is a little bit better at, some of

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Speaker 1: the zone reads, some of the r p O s

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Speaker 1: and just some of the stuff even under center, where

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Speaker 1: DeShawn doesn't have as much experience running from under center. Um.

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Speaker 1: But I think that balance under center in the gun

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Speaker 1: and executing those puts it hard on the defense because

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Speaker 1: now they don't know what they're gonna get. When you're

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Speaker 1: offensively executing your whole playbook just as well as any

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Speaker 1: as the first player the last play. It makes it

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Speaker 1: really hard on the defense because now they're just kind

1224
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Speaker 1: of guessing and they can't try to hone in on

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Speaker 1: any of those tendencies or any of those strengths that um,

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Speaker 1: you're trying to hit over and over again because they're

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01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: concepts that you do really well. One of the things

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Speaker 1: that I thought that stood out, and uh I read

1229
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 1: a great article by Jake Burns has been on the

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01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: show a few times breaking it down, was you know,

1231
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: when we're in that shotgun and we run the pin pool,

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01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: it's always with the back coming across the quarterback right

1233
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: because these adits on his left side. So it's a

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01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: run play to the right where you pin pull pull

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Speaker 1: the guards from the left side in the center and

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01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 1: then get out there. Sometimes it's a guarden the tackle depends,

1237
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 1: but run that too across your formation, we'll call it.

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01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: What he did was what Kim's fancy did on Deshaun

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01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: Watson's big twenty yard run. Is gave that look and

1240
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 1: made him think it was that action, but we actually

1241
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 1: pulled the front side guard back around who was the

1242
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: lead blocker for Deshaun on a design quarterback run that

1243
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 1: got twenty and then on a touchdown pass to Marii Cooper,

1244
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 1: it was the same where it was a play action

1245
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 1: off of that coming across pin pool across the formation.

1246
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: They pulled the front side guard again to make it

1247
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: then think that it was going to be that quarterback

1248
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: run again. So the linebacker took a step up and

1249
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: then you saw the huge room in the middle of

1250
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 1: the field and he was able to hit Amori. That's

1251
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: the kind of stuff right the A to the B

1252
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 1: to the B to the C, where you get them

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01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 1: thinking one thing and all of a sudden, now you

1254
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 1: hit him with something they hadn't seen on tape before,

1255
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: and then you're able to hit him with a variation

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01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: off of that. And I thought that was a pretty

1257
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 1: awesome design adjustment and then execution there in the second half. Yeah,

1258
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 1: So when Kashanahan became the offensive coordinator, he kind of

1259
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: opened my eyes up to offensive football and how things

1260
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 1: are supposed to look, how you marry the run in

1261
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 1: the past, and it opens up these huge shots in

1262
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: the play action game, because all my coordinators up until

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Speaker 1: that point had like run calls and then pass calls,

1264
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Speaker 1: and your run game didn't look really anything like your

1265
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 1: passing game. So when you lined up and you're in

1266
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 1: the ball, the defense knew you're gonna run it, and

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01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: if you're throwing it, it was just drop back pass.

1268
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 1: And so your play action scheme didn't look like your

1269
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 1: run schemes, so it had almost no effect on the

1270
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 1: linebackers and the safeties. But I think what you sa

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Speaker 1: on Sunday to your point, which was awesome, um, was

1272
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 1: the Browns being able to successfully execute some of their

1273
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 1: concepts that they like, like the pin polls from the

1274
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: shotgun with the seawan, but being able to do it

1275
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 1: in either direction. So having that balance whether it's running

1276
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: that coming across the formation or you snapping it and

1277
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 1: flipping it to him already going in the same direction

1278
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: if he's offset that way, but then also having some

1279
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 1: nice play action concepts off of that to give the

1280
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 1: defense the same feel, look and sound that your run

1281
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 1: game does when you line up and you run that

1282
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 1: run play for the first two one and a half

1283
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: to two seconds of that play, so it puts him

1284
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 1: in conflict. It gives him the feel like, oh, I

1285
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: have to go fit my gap here because this is

1286
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:48,919
Speaker 1: a really good run game that we can't let get going.

1287
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, after two three steps in

1288
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 1: the wrong direction, the guy's gotta put put on the

1289
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: brakes and try to get into pass coverage. And so

1290
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: I think that's when this offense is going to be

1291
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:01,479
Speaker 1: at its most dangerous. And you saw uh, really good

1292
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: glimpses of that in that in that second half, in

1293
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 1: that third quarter where they were really rolling, And I

1294
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 1: think it gets me excited to think about what they

1295
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 1: can do having a full year under their belt in

1296
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 1: this system. With DeShawn Watson, that quarterback. Yeah, Joe, I

1297
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 1: think for all of us, we kind of needed it.

1298
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 1: And I'm wondering if you can take us in the

1299
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 1: mind of Deshaun Watson, someone who you like him, elite, elite,

1300
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 1: best of the best type situation. Um, it felt like

1301
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 1: since he's been back, I wonder if he needed it too,

1302
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 1: because it felt like, almost like, why isn't this working

1303
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 1: the way that it used to work? Sometimes I got

1304
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 1: the feeling watching him play and it did feel like

1305
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: he needed it. Did You've probably never had a stretch

1306
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 1: where it wasn't working the way you want to do

1307
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 1: like this. Um. But but in terms of taking us

1308
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 1: inside his mind, do you think he needed to have

1309
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 1: the third and fourth quarter like he did? I think

1310
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 1: so too, because no matter how confident you are in

1311
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 1: your own abilities, obviously a lot has changed for him

1312
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:01,919
Speaker 1: on the last time he stepped on a football field

1313
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 1: when he was with the Houston Texans. UM having that

1314
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 1: big layoff, anybody, any competitor, in the back of their

1315
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:10,440
Speaker 1: mind is gonna question, like do I still have it?

1316
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 1: Has something changed? Like it's been a long time since

1317
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 1: I've gone out and done this. And I remember Romeo Cornell.

1318
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 1: He would always tell us when I was in my

1319
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 1: first two years in the NFL, like, if you're a rookie,

1320
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 1: you have to prove to the coaches and your teammates

1321
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: and yourself that you can do it. If you're a veteran,

1322
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 1: training camp is proving to the teammates, the coaches, and

1323
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 1: yourself that you can still do it, because when you

1324
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 1: had that long layoff, there's a lot of things that

1325
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 1: have changed, Like it doesn't matter who you are, you're

1326
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 1: gonna question yourself. And then the game that he had

1327
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 1: when he first came back against Houston, DeShawn did not

1328
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 1: look sharp. He was not sharp, he was rusty, and

1329
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 1: there was some conversation about, hey, is he ever gonna

1330
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 1: be the same quarterback that we saw in Houston. And

1331
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 1: no matter how confident you are in your own abilities,

1332
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 1: there's that little voice in the side of in the

1333
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 1: in the top corner of your head saying, hey, maybe

1334
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 1: they're right, maybe you don't have it anymore. And you

1335
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 1: try to stop that voice out as much and as

1336
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 1: quickly as possible, but it's still there, and I think

1337
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 1: it's real. Especially the longer you do feel like you're

1338
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:18,639
Speaker 1: struggling or you're not yourself, the more you start thinking

1339
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 1: that maybe this is just the new me that I

1340
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:22,640
Speaker 1: have to get used to, and then I'll never be

1341
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 1: the whole version of myself. And so having a game

1342
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 1: like he had on Sunday, and then also having that

1343
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 1: stretch in the third quarters specifically where he was really

1344
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 1: rolling that I feel like he's like, oh, no, I

1345
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 1: got this. It was just a matter of knocking off

1346
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 1: the rust. And by the time we're doing this for

1347
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 1: real next season, I'll be at where I was when

1348
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 1: I left Houston. Or even above that, because now I'm

1349
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 1: mature it as a player and I've got a much

1350
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:54,799
Speaker 1: better roster around me. Isn't it amazing though, how different

1351
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,480
Speaker 1: it is when you just come through in high leverage situations.

1352
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 1: First half we go over third down. Second half until

1353
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 1: the very end when we were running out the clock,

1354
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 1: we convert every third down. First half we go into

1355
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 1: the red zone. We don't execute. Second half we go

1356
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 1: in the red zoon. We do execute on a third down.

1357
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 1: Like they're called money downs for a reason, they're called

1358
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 1: high leveage situation for a reason. That's the difference between

1359
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 1: co twenty one points in a in a quarter and

1360
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 1: a half and and scoring six nine zero. It's crazy,

1361
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 1: and that's really where it was clicking. And I think

1362
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 1: to his point, that's the confidence, like, all right, it

1363
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. So we're in third and five, we're in

1364
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 1: third and eleven, we're third and eleven or third and

1365
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 1: nine from the thirteen, I'm gonna come through and make

1366
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 1: the play and where be fine. And when you can

1367
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 1: do that, that's when you break teams wills, and I

1368
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: think we broke their will in that game, along with

1369
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:42,639
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera putting in Carson Warz. That helped by the way.

1370
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 1: That was, like we talked about the Thursday night game

1371
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 1: Jets Jags, where that crowd was just out for Zach

1372
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 1: Wilson's blood, like booing every it was the same. I

1373
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 1: don't know if it came across on TV. I mean

1374
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 1: channing for Heinike after the first play. It's interesting. Sorry, yeah,

1375
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 1: was gonna say. I did a Washington sports talk show

1376
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 1: on Friday and we were talking about the decision to

1377
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:08,640
Speaker 1: go with Carson went Silver Heinuke, and I, you know,

1378
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 1: it was kind of honest about like, hey, we've seen

1379
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 1: a lot of Carson Wentz and I'm not sure that

1380
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 1: this version of the Reclamation product uh project is going

1381
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 1: to be any better than the last time we saw

1382
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 1: him out there. And I'm not exactly sure why Ron

1383
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:27,639
Speaker 1: Rivera felt like he should go with Carson, because I'm

1384
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 1: kind of the guy that always believes you really don't

1385
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 1: want to make a quarterback move unless you absolutely are

1386
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 1: sure and you have to and you can never go

1387
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 1: back because confidence and decision making go hand in hand

1388
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 1: for quarterbacks, and it's probably the most important thing that

1389
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 1: a quarterback does is their decision making. And so as

1390
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 1: soon as you destroy the confidence, like it's kind of

1391
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 1: over for that guy potentially being your starting franchise quarterback.

1392
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 1: And Carson had his chance this year. I realized he

1393
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: got hurt, but like they were not set in the

1394
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 1: world on fire when he was back there and this

1395
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 1: was this was Taylor Heineke's team, and to take that

1396
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 1: away from him after a short stretch of not playing

1397
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:10,679
Speaker 1: great football, to me, it felt wrong, and it felt

1398
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 1: like it was only a matter of time before Carson

1399
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 1: came out there. By the way, he's going to be rusty.

1400
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:17,639
Speaker 1: Yet he played a little bit, but he didn't play

1401
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 1: a whole lot um so you knew that he was

1402
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 1: not going to be sharp. And then what was gonna happen.

1403
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 1: First of all, the confidence of the teammates, which doesn't

1404
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 1: seem like teammates like Carson over Heineke. It seems like

1405
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:30,839
Speaker 1: they want Heinechy, and you know, the fans love Heineke,

1406
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 1: like he's just that type of guy that people that

1407
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 1: fans are drawn to that story and for whatever reason,

1408
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 1: you can have your opinions, like teammates and fans just

1409
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 1: don't really like Carson Wentz All that much. It just

1410
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like the type of person that as a

1411
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 1: quarterback people want to cheer for. And so you knew

1412
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 1: that as soon as he's gonna have one bad play, like,

1413
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 1: the fans were gonna come down on him hard, and

1414
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 1: he probably wasn't gonna be responding very well because he's

1415
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 1: always seemed to be the type of core back that

1416
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 1: really struggles handling criticism. And there's no worse criticism as

1417
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 1: a quarterback, and there's no more immediate feedback than your

1418
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 1: fans booing the crap out of you after you make

1419
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:16,759
Speaker 1: a bad throw. Ulf Have you heard anything in NFL

1420
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:18,720
Speaker 1: circles what it is about him? I mean, he's a

1421
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 1: North Dakota kid, like I mean, that's in between you

1422
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 1: and me, Like they're pretty grounded. People usually like what

1423
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 1: what is it about him that rubs people? I've talked

1424
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 1: to Chris Long about this years ago and he loved him. Um,

1425
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 1: but it feels like, I mean, Ursa couldn't be more

1426
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:39,640
Speaker 1: quickly to getting out of India as fast as he could, Like,

1427
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 1: have you heard anything through the league about what is

1428
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 1: it about him that rubs people the wrong way? You know,

1429
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 1: it's bizarre. I'm with you too, because you know, I've

1430
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 1: known plenty of North Dakotas and they're all great people.

1431
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 1: Travis after was one of my good buddies on the

1432
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 1: Indians when I was playing there. He's a North Dakota guy,

1433
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,800
Speaker 1: and um, everybody I've ever read from North Dakota has

1434
01:12:57,800 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 1: been awesome. Shoot, I got a farm in North Daka.

1435
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 1: They got great people out there. But I don't know

1436
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 1: what's going on. Yeah that's farm in Dakota. Yeah, yeah,

1437
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:14,920
Speaker 1: that's another one to take over the world. Like what's

1438
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 1: this one? Uh, this one's Madison, Dakota. It was it

1439
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 1: was named after my dogs. But anyways, amazing, Like, yeah,

1440
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 1: that's right. What's what's the deal with with Carson Wentz.

1441
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I'm weird. Bumped into a few

1442
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 1: times post game when I was doing TNF and he

1443
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:41,679
Speaker 1: seems okay, like he wasn't super gregarious. Um so maybe

1444
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:44,799
Speaker 1: like he just hasn't been able to connect with his teammates.

1445
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 1: And at the quarterback position, you have to be able

1446
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 1: to do that. You've gotta be gregarious and you've got

1447
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 1: to be socially able to make those like personal connections

1448
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 1: with your teammates, especially your offensive line, your pass catchers,

1449
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:04,640
Speaker 1: your coaches, your owner, like you're as much of like

1450
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 1: the the social person on the team as anybody else

1451
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 1: is at any other position, even more so than the

1452
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 1: head coach, because you've got to have those personal relationships

1453
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:17,679
Speaker 1: with so many people in that building. And I don't

1454
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 1: know if he's just not been able to build that

1455
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 1: because he just feels uncomfortable in that role. I have

1456
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 1: no idea. I'm just purely speculating, but I think maybe

1457
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 1: not having those personal connections, people feel a little bit

1458
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:30,639
Speaker 1: turned off. And then when he does something bad, it's

1459
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 1: easier to like cheer for the other guy first to

1460
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 1: have success. Um, And then I don't know from a

1461
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 1: fans standpoint why they don't really like him. Um, yeah,

1462
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 1: it's it's a mystery, strange. Yeah, it really is. One

1463
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 1: thing before we put uh and we'll do game balls

1464
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:48,639
Speaker 1: and all of that, But one last thing on this Uh,

1465
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 1: how about Mr Grant Delpott Denzel Awards sending a tone

1466
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 1: early with a pick um? This was this? It's it's

1467
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 1: two years in a row where this defense the second

1468
01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 1: half Z has taken off? Any wish where was this?

1469
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's painful. Listen to this stat We had

1470
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 1: three interceptions in the first eleven games eight. Now in

1471
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 1: the last five games, we had three interceptions in the

1472
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 1: first eleven games. We had three in this game, and

1473
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 1: it's like we've had an interception in five straight games.

1474
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,719
Speaker 1: Now we're generating the takeaways like we thought we could,

1475
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 1: and it's shown what this defense can be. We're excellent

1476
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 1: on the back end. I think it's clear as day

1477
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 1: we have the talent that we need. What we we

1478
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:27,600
Speaker 1: have to add is gonna be nice to add to

1479
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 1: drawn pain, but you need some beef in the middle

1480
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 1: of your defensive line. But I thought we held up

1481
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 1: very well against what had been a very effective running

1482
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 1: attack of the Washington Commanders. Um. But I think that's

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01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 1: all really that's missing, and it's like it's defense. There's

1484
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:43,599
Speaker 1: no reason it wasn't like this early in the season.

1485
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 1: It was still guys who had been here a year

1486
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 1: ago in the same system making just unbelievable blown assignments.

1487
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 1: And the fact that we've gotten that cleaned up now

1488
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 1: we're a darn tough defense to move the football on.

1489
01:15:56,680 --> 01:16:00,160
Speaker 1: Were very difficult to throw the football on, and that's

1490
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 1: what you want to be in the modern NFL. Something

1491
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 1: that's interesting to me is like when I think about,

1492
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 1: all right, the frustrations we had at the beginning of

1493
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 1: the season, losing some of those games in the horrific

1494
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:12,640
Speaker 1: manner we did, and I'm like, all right, what's the

1495
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 1: difference between the team that I saw on Sunday and

1496
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 1: that team? Right, Because it's largely the same guys um,

1497
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 1: But when you're good in situational football, so like third down,

1498
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:28,640
Speaker 1: red zone and then two minutes, like those type of situations,

1499
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 1: which it's not as much about talent, it's just about

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01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 1: experience and being comfortable in those big moments, and then

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01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 1: you get takeaways, Like those are the two things that

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01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 1: are different about this team right now. But we feel

1503
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 1: so much better about this team because they're getting some

1504
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:49,920
Speaker 1: takeaways and they're playing well, and they're playing comfortable and

1505
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 1: confident in situational football, and all of a sudden, we're like,

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01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:55,880
Speaker 1: this is a really good team. Like the version of

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01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 1: the team that we saw on Sunday against the Commanders

1508
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 1: would have been there all season. There's the reason we

1509
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:05,720
Speaker 1: wouldn't have won twelve games because statistically it's kind of

1510
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 1: the same. Like if you look at the statistics from

1511
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:09,720
Speaker 1: the game, it's not like there was any one thing

1512
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 1: that just jumped off the sheet to you. I mean,

1513
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 1: they had a hundred and forty six yards rushing, which

1514
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:16,679
Speaker 1: is about where their average is. We had a hundred

1515
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 1: fifty five yards passing. I mean, if priscenta a hundred

1516
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 1: fifty five yards passing in the game would be asking

1517
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 1: for more. But DeShawn does it, and it's how he

1518
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 1: looks in those critical moments. We're going, yeah, this is

1519
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 1: the type of team we can be. We can beat

1520
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:31,720
Speaker 1: anybody like this. And then the defense gets a couple

1521
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 1: of turnovers, Like it's just amazing the perspective how it

1522
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 1: changes when you're good at getting some takeaways and you're

1523
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:41,640
Speaker 1: good in those situations. And the sad thing is is

1524
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:44,559
Speaker 1: all we really need to do is switch one result.

1525
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:48,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and we everything happened that needed to happen

1526
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 1: for the Cleveland Browns to make the playoffs at nine

1527
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 1: and eight, everything, and we just needed one of them. Jets,

1528
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 1: game Chargers make a field goal Saints two weeks ago,

1529
01:17:56,479 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 1: Falcons just you went two of those. You control your density, correct, Yeah,

1530
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 1: that's that's the better, the better pill. All right, we'll

1531
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 1: hand out some game balls. Take a look at the

1532
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 1: big picture around the league. Coming up next, you listen

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01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 1: to Joe Thomas Our Cleveland Browns Daily brought you by

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01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 1: watching up in the pocket, Lucky Cooper's wide open, caught

1537
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 1: it ted, he said the five. He cuts to the pilot. Touchdown,

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01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 1: I'm Arii Cooper his second of the day. He watch

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01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 1: it third touchdown past thirty three yards. Cleveland Brown's Daily

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1546
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 1: Let's hand out some game balls. Uh huh? Who gets

1547
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:05,839
Speaker 1: your offensive game ball from the win over the Commies.

1548
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:08,680
Speaker 1: I gotta give it to Deshaun Watson. It was his

1549
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 1: best performance in a Browns uniform to date. We saw

1550
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 1: glimmers of fantastic play in the third quarter, um and

1551
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:21,479
Speaker 1: I thought his decision making was as good as he's

1552
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 1: had thus far, which it seemed like he was making

1553
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 1: the right decisions, but it was taken a while to

1554
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 1: get there previously. But in this game, those decisions were

1555
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:32,679
Speaker 1: happening quick and it seems like he's got that feel

1556
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 1: of the game back when your quarterbacks playing football like that,

1557
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 1: you almost feel invincible as an offense. And I think

1558
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 1: he's got that type of it, that attitude, that performance

1559
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:47,320
Speaker 1: on the field that elevates the play of everybody around him,

1560
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 1: And that's what you're looking for with a Tier one quarterback,

1561
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 1: and that's why you go through what the Browns went

1562
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 1: through to bring that type of a player here. He's

1563
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 1: like a seventy passer in his career. It was, but

1564
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 1: it was just because of the way it looked in

1565
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:05,320
Speaker 1: the second half, we're like, yeah, thankfully, this is just

1566
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 1: wait until he's where he was. Absolutely. Yeah, I'm gonna

1567
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 1: give my game ball to Amari Cooper because it was

1568
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:14,679
Speaker 1: a great throw from Deshaun Watson on that third and five,

1569
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 1: but Cooper gets out of one tackle and it was

1570
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 1: a touchdown and almost felt like that was the sigh

1571
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:21,560
Speaker 1: of relief that we just broke through and then that

1572
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 1: got everything going. So Amari over a hundred yards with

1573
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 1: a touchdown. His two scores tied Big Play Gear from

1574
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 1: two thousand fifteen. Those receiving touchdowns by a Brown. That

1575
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 1: was the last time somebody had nine. The last time

1576
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:34,559
Speaker 1: I was a receiver was Gordon in thirteen. So Amari Cooper,

1577
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:37,759
Speaker 1: what a trade that has been, by the way, theft, theft,

1578
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:40,439
Speaker 1: and they want him. They're like, we need another receiver

1579
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 1: down there. You had one your game away z. I'll

1580
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 1: come to you on this one. Who gets your defensive

1581
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:47,640
Speaker 1: game ball? I mean it's easy. I'll give it to

1582
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 1: Grant Helpot goes over a hundred tackles in this game,

1583
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:52,639
Speaker 1: two interceptions in this game. And I was talking abou

1584
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:55,680
Speaker 1: dB coach Jeff Howard, and Grant has just progressed so

1585
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:58,320
Speaker 1: much in space and early in the season on his

1586
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:00,920
Speaker 1: cover two's he was why editing too much because he

1587
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:02,799
Speaker 1: was word he couldn't get to the sideline, wasn't trusting

1588
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 1: his speed. They said, look, just stay on your landmarks

1589
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 1: because then you can get those deep balls down the middle.

1590
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 1: He gets a pick on that, and then, uh, they

1591
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 1: knew the post was coming at some point. That's where

1592
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:14,720
Speaker 1: they take their shots, and he was all over that

1593
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:16,760
Speaker 1: post and that was an unbelieable job to track that ball,

1594
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 1: to catch that ball he's had. I think he's really

1595
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 1: become one of the better safeties in the league, and

1596
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 1: certainly great against the running. When you see him improve

1597
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 1: in coverage like that, you get very excited. This is

1598
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 1: really only second full season, by the way. Yeah, and

1599
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 1: and kind of playing a little bit make out of

1600
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 1: position in terms of what he wants to do, and

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01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 1: he's he's come on big time. Half. Who do you

1602
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:37,720
Speaker 1: guy who gets your game ball defensively? So for me,

1603
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:40,120
Speaker 1: it would be easy to give Myles Garrett the game ball.

1604
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 1: I thought he bounced back nicely after being benched to

1605
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 1: start the game the week before for violation of team rules.

1606
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:50,599
Speaker 1: He bounced back this week eight tackles, sack and a half,

1607
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 1: a couple quarterback hits TfL. He went back to the normal, uh,

1608
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:57,760
Speaker 1: disruptive player that he is. But I want to give

1609
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:00,599
Speaker 1: it to Taven brian Um. He was a guy got

1610
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:03,519
Speaker 1: drafted in Jacksonville a few years ago, very high in

1611
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:05,840
Speaker 1: the first round and never really panned out. Came here

1612
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 1: and we haven't really noticed him very much. But I

1613
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 1: thought he stood out pretty well in this game. He

1614
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:13,720
Speaker 1: had four tackles and a half a sack, one with

1615
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:17,599
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett. But I thought he did a really nice

1616
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 1: job holding the point on double teams. I thought he

1617
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 1: did a good job being where he was supposed to

1618
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 1: to free up linebackers UH to be able to go

1619
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:28,720
Speaker 1: out and make plays. In having a linebacker corps that's

1620
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 1: depleted the way the Browns are, it puts even more

1621
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:33,879
Speaker 1: pressure in your defensive line to be able to absorb

1622
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 1: some of those blocks and keep those offensive lineman from

1623
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 1: getting to the second level. And I thought Brian did

1624
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 1: a great job, So more of that would be awesome.

1625
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:43,759
Speaker 1: And I don't know what his contract situation is moving

1626
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:47,519
Speaker 1: into the future, but certainly defensive line is probably the

1627
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 1: biggest area of need for us this offseason, and if

1628
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:53,640
Speaker 1: he can continue to play at the level that he

1629
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 1: played on Sunday, he can find a role for himself

1630
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:58,920
Speaker 1: on the team next year. All right, let's let's wrap

1631
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 1: up quickly here with the the a f C North

1632
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:04,559
Speaker 1: and where we stand heading into Week eighteen. The Bengals

1633
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:07,479
Speaker 1: UH still nebulous in terms of where they're going to

1634
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:10,519
Speaker 1: end up. The Ravens at ten and six. The Steelers

1635
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 1: are eight and eight. I did not have it. I

1636
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:16,720
Speaker 1: thought they would finally this would be it rebuilding year.

1637
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 1: Somehow they're eight and eight. Joe, you hate it, But

1638
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:23,760
Speaker 1: what satisfaction would it give to eliminate them in the

1639
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 1: regular season finale on Sunday. That's exactly why the NFL

1640
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:31,200
Speaker 1: puts these rivalry matchups in wake week a team because

1641
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 1: for Browns fans, that's all we got left to play

1642
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 1: for is to spoil the new year for a bunch

1643
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 1: of Squealers fans and their players. Um and for me,

1644
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 1: I would take great join it right. I think that

1645
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 1: the surprise to me was the evolution of Kenny Pickett.

1646
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 1: You don't expect the rookie quarterback to play as well

1647
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 1: as he has now. To be fair, Uh, he's been

1648
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 1: up and down all season, but overall he's shown some

1649
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 1: great moxie in key points in the game. I think

1650
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:02,639
Speaker 1: stood in there tough. He's given his team a chance

1651
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 1: to win on multiple occasions. And you couple that with

1652
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:06,720
Speaker 1: the defense that you knew it was going to be

1653
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 1: good and they're squeaking out some close games down the stretch.

1654
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:13,280
Speaker 1: But um, it would just be really sweet for us

1655
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 1: to knock him out of the playoffs, but not only

1656
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 1: beating him, but like beating them decisively the last game

1657
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 1: of the season. Having to Shawn play great. I think

1658
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:25,760
Speaker 1: would be huge for us to build momentum and positivity

1659
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 1: into the off season as we look to start kind

1660
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 1: of recruiting free agents and try to sell it to

1661
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 1: those guys, to sell it to the fans that the

1662
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 1: team that we got coming back as a championship caliber team.

1663
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 1: Just look what we did the last week of the season.

1664
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 1: What would it mean and does or doesn't mean anything?

1665
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:47,600
Speaker 1: But this is the first opportunity for the Browns to

1666
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 1: sweep the Steelers since nine. We could finish four and

1667
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 1: two in the division about thirty seconds off, but also

1668
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:00,720
Speaker 1: potentially the first losing record under Tom One ever, which

1669
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:04,800
Speaker 1: is wild. And then sweeping Pittsburgh. I mean, come on,

1670
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 1: that's crazy. It certainly would mean a lot to me,

1671
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 1: to you guys, to Brown's fans, because we've got that

1672
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:14,599
Speaker 1: historic hatred of the Steelers and we know how painful

1673
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 1: it's been and how much they've had our number for

1674
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:19,639
Speaker 1: all those years. Um, and so I have been pretty cool,

1675
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:23,000
Speaker 1: like I I have tremendous respect for Mike Tomlin, tremendous

1676
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:26,519
Speaker 1: respect for John Harbaugh. How do we lose the anguish

1677
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 1: on their face every once in a while. I've seen

1678
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:30,680
Speaker 1: too much joy. I'm tired of that. I can't wait

1679
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 1: to watch Mike Tomlin walking off that field with a

1680
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 1: sub five rector for the first time in his career. Well,

1681
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:38,760
Speaker 1: hopefully it happens. Great talking you. Happy New Year to

1682
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:42,600
Speaker 1: you and the family. Yes, last day to say it,

1683
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:44,599
Speaker 1: according to Larry David on Kirber, and he'd be right.

1684
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:49,720
Speaker 1: That's it, Yes, sir, Happy new you guys. Thanks for

1685
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:51,720
Speaker 1: having me on. We'll talk to you next week. That

1686
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:54,519
Speaker 1: is Joe Thomas. That Joe Thomas on the North Dakota farm.

1687
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 1: We need a lot to sort out. I gotta know

1688
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 1: what he's dry land farming as he do it was

1689
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:03,680
Speaker 1: you do running cows. What's going on out there? You're

1690
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:05,600
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