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Speaker 1: The Volume.

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Speaker 2: Hi, everybody, welcome in. Can't wait ten minutes twelve minutes

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Speaker 2: away from Chris Mannox joining us member of the Volume

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Speaker 2: sports and talk about all the NBA moves. I thought

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Speaker 2: the Lakers did pretty well. Phoenix has built a bench

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Speaker 2: pretty quickly, so we'll talk about that. I got a

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Speaker 2: couple of things on my mind. First, happy Fourth of

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Speaker 2: July weekend. I'm going to take Wednesday off from TV

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Speaker 2: and radio work Monday and Tuesday and hang out with

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Speaker 2: some members of my family. My kids are getting older now,

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Speaker 2: so I can't get them all for Fourth of July weekend,

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Speaker 2: which is a bummer, but that's a part of you know,

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Speaker 2: your kids growing up. So something that jumped out to

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Speaker 2: me this weekend I watched people implode when Elon Musk

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Speaker 2: instituted a view limit on Twitter. I could not be

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Speaker 2: the only person and I view myself as a political

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Speaker 2: independent to moderate that was struck by the irony of

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Speaker 2: Hollywood elites saying they were leaving Twitter the minute Elon

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Speaker 2: Musk purchased it, and then complaining all weekend about view limits.

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Speaker 3: Which is it?

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Speaker 2: So many people hated Elon Musk. I'm leaving He's ruined it.

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Speaker 2: And now you're complaining about view limits. Take a deep breath,

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Speaker 2: go outside. One of the things that has really turned

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Speaker 2: me off from Twitter is not Elon Musk. It's the

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Speaker 2: outrage constantly about Elon Musk. I think the media does

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Speaker 2: a really bad job of connecting often with the public.

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Speaker 2: Only twenty three percent of Americans are on Twitter, and

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Speaker 2: I think for the people who aren't, if they went on,

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Speaker 2: they'd be immediately turned off. It's just an outrage machine. Folks.

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Speaker 2: Life is about limit, right. There's everything in our life

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Speaker 2: speeding limits, term limits. I work in media, FCCS, limits

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Speaker 2: on how many stations you can own. I love the

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Speaker 2: state parks. I try to go to a state park

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Speaker 2: every couple of years. Even they're not free. Twitter's a business.

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Speaker 2: You have to buy an eighty dollars season pass. Now

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Speaker 2: they'll have free days at state parks, but you got

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Speaker 2: to pay to play, right. I mean, even our beaches

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Speaker 2: in the country, there are places they're not free. You

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Speaker 2: got to pay to go to some beaches. So a

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Speaker 2: media platform, you think it's going to be free forever.

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Speaker 3: No, it's not.

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Speaker 2: It has to be ads supported and subscription supported.

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Speaker 3: To some level.

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Speaker 2: It was losing money when Jack owned it, it's losing money.

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Speaker 2: Now with Elon, he's got to figure out how to

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Speaker 2: make it work. I guarantee in ninety nine percent of

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Speaker 2: you are on Twitter more than you're on Netflix, they're

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Speaker 2: not given that thing away for free. I remember when

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Speaker 2: newspapers first went to a paywall, bug me out. Now

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Speaker 2: they're all on it. I remember when I used to

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Speaker 2: be able to watch a lot of things on media

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Speaker 2: sites without being bombarded by ads.

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Speaker 3: Those days are over.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully all of you listening have a broad enough life

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Speaker 2: that view limits won't ruin your Fourth of July weekend.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to talk to Chris Mannix about this.

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Speaker 2: But Damian Lillard is not as easy to trade as

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Speaker 2: people think. He has requested a trade from the Blazers.

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Speaker 2: Small dynamic guards that don't defend, don't truly elevate others,

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Speaker 2: and have a recent injury history, and a contract that's

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Speaker 2: pretty ugly at the end of the deal are hard

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Speaker 2: to move now. I think he works in Miami, but

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Speaker 2: that's because Bam and Jimmy Butler are excellent defenders. I

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Speaker 2: think he works in Milwaukee. That's because Jannis and Drew

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Speaker 2: Holliday are excellent defenders. But with Dame, he's given up buckets.

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Speaker 2: He's small, and I think the league is finally coming

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Speaker 2: to terms with dynamic guards don't necessarily make others better.

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Speaker 2: Westbrook just signed a contract for eight mil.

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Speaker 3: That was it.

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Speaker 2: Dylan Brooks signed one for eighty mil. That's the reality

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Speaker 2: of the league. Biggs with high skill level wings three

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Speaker 2: smart gms in this league figure out that you find

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Speaker 2: who limit his weakness. Jokich not a great defender. The

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Speaker 2: Nuggets go get Aaron Gordon from Orlando, a great defender.

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Speaker 2: Steph the Warriors of Oways surrounded him, Peyton, Clay Thompson, Wiggins, Draymond,

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Speaker 2: were not elite three point shooters. What did they do?

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Speaker 2: Ray Allen, Mike Miller, Shane Battier. That's why the Dallas

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Speaker 2: Mavericks coupling Luca and Kyrie gobbling up a lot of

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Speaker 2: not have signed Kyrie for a three year deal. He's

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Speaker 2: So you have to understand with Dame. I think the

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Speaker 2: Utah situation's pretty interesting, and they have some draft picks

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Speaker 2: you bring in Dame, you have to own it. He's

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Speaker 2: not going to give you seventy games, and he's not

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Speaker 2: going to defend, and he's going to need the ball

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Speaker 2: a lot. So that's why Miami and Milwaukee to me

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Speaker 2: really work. I'm not sure though Miami has enough to

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Speaker 2: give Portland a sense they at least broke even on

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Speaker 2: the trade. You know, I was thinking about Major League Baseball.

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Speaker 2: I think we're going to have a remarkable football season,

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Speaker 2: and I've said for years I think Major League Baseball

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Speaker 2: should shorten their season to about one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 2: games and early August and go seven weeks of playoffs

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Speaker 2: over by the third week of September. You play in

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Speaker 2: warm weather all season, end in warm weather late October,

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Speaker 2: early November, rain outs, cold, It's not how the game

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Speaker 2: is supposed to be played. So, and there's another real

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Speaker 2: estate reality is that when football starts, baseball shrinks. So

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Speaker 2: you could own August and remember it's not until after

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Speaker 2: Labor Day that first Thursday opens the season, but you

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Speaker 2: would have Friday and Saturday before the NFL season's first weekend.

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Speaker 2: Really art and I think you should be wrapping up

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Speaker 2: baseball by then grab some momentum. But baseball this year

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Speaker 2: is going to be really challenged to get playoff ratings.

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Speaker 2: First of all, college football now has broader appeal. Michigan

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Speaker 2: USC will be a top five team in the country. LSU, Georgia,

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Speaker 2: Bama obviously huge in the South, Ohio State, Notre Dame.

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Speaker 2: There's more breadth to college football this year. Denver West

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Speaker 2: the last ten to twelve years since Pete Carroll USC eroded,

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Speaker 2: So you're going to get some Western viewers watching college

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Speaker 2: football that haven't for about a decade. It's going to

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Speaker 2: be a big year in college football ratings. Secondarily, the

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Speaker 2: NFL is growing every year. It is a monster, and

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Speaker 2: more than ever, you've got really clever offensive coaches. So

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Speaker 2: even when you get kind of marginal average quarterback tallent

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Speaker 2: Tua as an example, you can elevate him significantly. We

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Speaker 2: warm weather September. It's going to be a broad array

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Speaker 2: be back and in Major League baseball right now. Seven

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Speaker 2: their division are the Reds, the d Backs, Cleveland, Minnesota, Baltimore,

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Speaker 2: and Tampa. Good luck to major League Baseball. Not a

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Speaker 2: lot of household names. The Yankees this year can't hit.

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Speaker 2: They're on base percentage is three to zho one. That's

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Speaker 2: Triple A team. The Dodgers pitching is twenty second in ERA,

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Speaker 2: so the Dodgers and Yankees are just not really special teams.

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Speaker 2: The good news you can always watch the Cleveland Guardians

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Speaker 2: in the playoffs. If they make it to watch future Yankees.

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Speaker 2: So you're going to get a lot of non household names,

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Speaker 2: non big brands in baseball in September and October, and

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Speaker 2: I think we're going to have our best college football

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Speaker 1: The dust has settled Colin Cowhard on free agency in

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Speaker 1: the NBA. More than two billion dollars has been earmarked

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Speaker 1: for NBA players over the first forty eight hours of

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Speaker 1: free agency. A predictable dizzying of activity over the first

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Speaker 1: few days of free agency. I wouldn't say, though, there

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Speaker 1: has been anything that I would call a significant surprise

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Speaker 1: over the first few days. I mean, the battle for

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Speaker 1: in with a massive offer. The Indiana Pacers made a

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Speaker 1: there in the first couple of days that took you aback?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I thought the Dallas Mavericks were negotiating against themselves. I

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Speaker 2: don't think that it was a market three years, one

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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty six million. You know, it's funny. Mark

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Speaker 2: Cuban does so many things I like. I find it

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Speaker 2: to be a very odd franchise with their hirings, with

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Speaker 2: their signings. I said, when they got Luca, they you know,

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Speaker 2: they looked for years to find kind of the right

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Speaker 2: it's like, oh this works, not long term, it's not

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Speaker 2: of James Harden. There was a way to build around

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Speaker 2: James Harden. I always had this theory is that you

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Speaker 2: find your star. The Warriors have done this, and then

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Speaker 2: you protect his weakness. You know, they look at Steph

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Speaker 2: they knew what he was. The example I've used is

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Speaker 2: They were hoping there was more in the tank for

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Speaker 2: Joe Ingalls. Jay Crowder aged very quickly, but he was

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Speaker 3: For a while.

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Speaker 2: So you generally find your stars. He's next level at something, Yo,

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Speaker 2: kitch it something. But they all have holes. Lebron was

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Speaker 2: not a great shooter, either was d Wade. So what

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Speaker 2: did Riley do? Ray Allen, Mike Miller, Battier. He got

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Speaker 2: guys who could hit threes. Dallas once again will go

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Speaker 2: into a season as the league arguably, I mean defense

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Speaker 2: Denver played really pretty good defense for a team we

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Speaker 2: didn't view as an elite defensive team, and Dallas is

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Speaker 2: going against the grain with an offensive team. Again, I

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Speaker 2: love Cuban. I don't get moves here, do you.

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Speaker 1: I get the desire to bring Kyrie Irving back, And

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Speaker 1: I think Dallas is probably patting itself on the back

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Speaker 1: by saying we got Kyrie Irving on a three year deal.

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Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving wanted a four year deal or a five

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Speaker 1: year deal. We got him on a three year deal.

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Speaker 1: They didn't have any options here. You know, bringing Kyrie

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Speaker 1: Irving back was both the only way to keep them

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Speaker 1: least temporarily stave off you know, the Luka doncic what

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Speaker 1: are we doing here conversation, because without Kyrie Irving, you know,

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Speaker 1: that conversation would have happened, probably sooner rather than later.

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Speaker 1: It may still happen, you know, to your point, this

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Speaker 1: doesn't solve a lot of problems that the Mavericks have,

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Speaker 2: So I think they made a series of incremental moves Chris.

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Speaker 3: Of the best executives in basketball.

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Speaker 1: From the Ruy Hashimor deal to where we are now,

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Speaker 1: that team friendly contract. It did surprise me, Colin, to

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Speaker 3: Just looking to screw the Lakers over.

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Speaker 3: Puzzle, they can do it. They can do it.

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Speaker 2: Dame is not as traitable as everybody thinks. Everybody's consumed.

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Speaker 2: I like him with Miami and Milwaukee because Chris, they

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Speaker 1: And that includes Miami, Philadelphia, the New York Knicks. I

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Speaker 1: It just feels like it's become adversarial when it didn't

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Speaker 1: have to be now, the team that needs to go

431
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Speaker 1: all in for Lillard is the Philadelphia seventy six ers,

432
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Speaker 1: because the Philadelphia seventy six Ers are in that Damian

433
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Speaker 1: Lillard success window, that success bubble. They've got three years

434
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Speaker 1: now of probably peak Joel mb who's I believe going

435
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Speaker 1: to turn thirty during this season. They've got to find

436
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Speaker 1: a way to maximize it. They've got an asset in

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Speaker 1: James Harden that the Clippers badly want. They've got draft

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Speaker 1: capital in the form of those future Sons pick, which

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Speaker 1: I can tell you are as appetizing as any future

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Speaker 1: draft picks to teams across the NBA. I mean, there

441
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Speaker 1: is a widespread belief that three years from now the

442
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Speaker 1: Sons could cratering like they could be just in a

443
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Speaker 1: rough spot, and those draft picks and pick swaps have

444
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Speaker 1: enormous value. If I'm the seventy six Ers, I Am

445
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Speaker 1: going all out to construct some kind of three team

446
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Speaker 1: deal that sends James Harden to the Clippers, brings Damian

447
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Speaker 1: Lillard to Philly, and the Blazers. Maybe they get Tyrese Maxey,

448
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Speaker 1: who maybe they don't need right now because they've got

449
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Speaker 1: a surplus of smallish guards. But you take the asset

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Speaker 1: and you get a boatload of draft picks, both from

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Speaker 1: the Clippers and the Sixers. Sometimes there's just a deal

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Speaker 1: Colin that's so obvious that you wonder why it hasn't

453
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Speaker 1: happened already.

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Speaker 3: This to me feels like one of them.

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Speaker 1: This to me feels like the kind of deal that

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Speaker 1: makes sense for everybody. The Clippers get their playmaker, the

457
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Speaker 1: Sixers get Lillard and Embiid paired together. Those are two winners,

458
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Speaker 1: you know, two win it all cost types of guys,

459
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Speaker 1: And the Blazers get their package of young players in

460
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Speaker 1: draft picks they can build around for years to come.

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Speaker 1: That to me is a deal that all three sides

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Speaker 1: need to be talking about right now.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk Phoenix Suns for a second, because

464
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Speaker 2: I think a lot of it. Bradley Beal's got many

465
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Speaker 2: good years left, so does Ayton, and so does Booker.

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Speaker 2: A lot of it just hinges. And they cobbled together

467
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Speaker 2: a bench. They went and got Eric Gordon, so they

468
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Speaker 2: cobbled together a little bit of a bench. He got

469
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 2: nice little player. He's an older player, but a nice player.

470
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Speaker 2: It really comes down to Katie's health. If you can

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Speaker 2: get sixty games from him. So I am very much

472
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Speaker 2: in on Phoenix because three of their players don't have

473
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Speaker 2: a long injury history. I like the coach. I think

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Speaker 2: he'll get Vogel will get the most. And I also

475
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Speaker 2: think bench play in the playoffs can be a tad

476
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Speaker 2: over rated. Boston didn't have a if you look at

477
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Speaker 2: Denver didn't have a great bench this year. There have

478
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Speaker 2: been teams like the Laker Bubble team that did have

479
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Speaker 2: a very good bench, and the Warrior team a couple

480
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 2: of years ago had a pretty good bench. But there's

481
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Speaker 2: been other teams that have won the title that didn't

482
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Speaker 2: have a great bench. What they had was some mix

483
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Speaker 2: of size shooting, and I think that. I think if

484
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Speaker 2: you have three elite players and a fourth who will

485
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Speaker 2: be very good under this coach, it's a fairly dynamic team.

486
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Speaker 2: But there was a comment about two weeks ago from

487
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Speaker 2: Kad that was just so strange to me, and he

488
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: talked about what inspirational players Kyrie and James Harden were

489
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 2: and I thought, wow, now was that just for social media?

490
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Speaker 2: Like I like Katie a lot, but he veers into

491
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Speaker 2: odd sometimes when when you look at Phoenix and do

492
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Speaker 2: you view it as combustible. I don't, but sometimes Katie

493
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Speaker 2: getting into Twitter battles and these comments about stuff, I'm like,

494
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Speaker 2: do you fear the combustibility of Phoenix.

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Speaker 1: I don't fear the combustibility as much as the chemistry.

496
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Speaker 1: Maybe not working on the floor, and maybe those two

497
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: are cousins to each other, but I think that's a

498
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Speaker 1: team that will you know, Brooklyn, you know, towards the

499
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Speaker 1: end of course, James Harden and Kyrie were not seeing

500
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Speaker 1: eye to eye. I don't see it being that type

501
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Speaker 1: of situation, but the injuries do worry me. Kevin, of course,

502
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Speaker 1: has his history. But Bradley Beal, I mean it's almost

503
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Speaker 1: career long with Bradley Beal where he has been dealing

504
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Speaker 1: with something one way or the other. Early on, it

505
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Speaker 1: was the foot injury which he got pasted and what

506
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Speaker 1: became a durable guy. But he had risk surgery about

507
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Speaker 1: a year and a half ago. He battled multiple hamstring

508
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Speaker 1: injuries last season. He's someone I'm worried about getting to

509
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: that kind of sixty sixty five game threshold, you know,

510
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Speaker 1: for this team.

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Speaker 3: Booker's fine.

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Speaker 1: The other the other unknown to me is how how

513
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Speaker 1: well can Frank Vogel get through to DeAndre eight. Can

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Speaker 1: Frank vogue get Ayton back to being the guy who

515
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Speaker 1: accepted being a ten to fourteen shot per game player,

516
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Speaker 1: who anchored a top ten defense during their time at

517
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Speaker 1: that the elite level when they went to the finals,

518
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Speaker 1: when they won sixty four games.

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Speaker 3: Ken, Frank Vogel, get him back to that.

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Speaker 1: I think he's uniquely equipped because he's a coach that

521
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Speaker 1: can say, look, my teams, especially defensively, have been built

522
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Speaker 1: around great biggs. You go back to Indiana Roy Hibbert.

523
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Speaker 1: What was Roy Hibbert before Frank Vogel took over. Royebert's

524
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Speaker 1: career took off in the aftermath of Frank Vogel becoming

525
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Speaker 1: the head coach there in Los Angeles, Ad Dwight Howard,

526
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Speaker 1: the bigs they played with out there, Frank Vogel can say,

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Speaker 1: just trust me. I will find a way to get

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Speaker 1: you your shots. I will find a way to make

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Speaker 1: you part of the offense. And there's reason to believe

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Speaker 1: that he can be that guy. So that I think

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Speaker 1: is going to be a big key. Ken Frank Vogel

532
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Speaker 1: get through to DeAndre Aid and make him happy and

533
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Speaker 1: make him productive for that.

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Speaker 3: Team this season.

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Speaker 2: I want to pivot to this. I got into a

536
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Speaker 2: discussion with a friend who works in Portland, small market,

537
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Speaker 2: and I said, the upside to a big market franchise,

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Speaker 2: it's often more attractive to the players, right, Like the

539
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Speaker 2: stars want to go to the big market, not okay.

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Speaker 1: See.

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Speaker 2: And secondarily, big markets are more willing to move off

542
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Speaker 2: players and take a big swing because it's not the

543
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Speaker 2: only game in town. Everybody's seeking championships. In Boston they

544
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 2: don't care you get to the playoffs. And in Portland

545
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 2: for years they were terrified to move off you know CJ.

546
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: McCollum and Dame because they were pretty good and it's

547
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 2: the only big game in town and they were terrified

548
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Speaker 2: by it. Yet Boston moves off the soul of that team,

549
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Speaker 2: Marcus Smart, because eh, getting to the finals is the

550
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: only you know, that's what we're seeking. So I love

551
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 2: that premise that big market teams will just take bigger swings.

552
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: I mean, moving off Marcus Smart is certainly as could

553
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 2: be as punitive potentially in that back court as moving

554
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: off CJ. McCullum would have been right, but Boston would

555
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 2: do it. Here's my concern with Boston. Smart was a

556
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: great locker room guy. Porzingis is not a culture center.

557
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 2: He has injuries, He's becoming a bounce around.

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Speaker 3: The league guy.

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Speaker 2: Do you worry at all Tatum's not a dominant, relentless

560
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 2: presence that some negativity with Porzingis and his personality could

561
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 2: now seep in and Marcus Smart would not be there

562
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Speaker 2: to call him on it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a real concern. I do think

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Speaker 1: over the last couple of years, and I've been around

565
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: that locker room a lot and know that team pretty well,

566
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: they've had some of their younger guys step up and

567
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: be more assertive in that locker room. I think Jason

568
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: Tatum last season was more assertive. Jalen Brown has become

569
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: increasingly asserted. Al Horford, the elder statesman on that team,

570
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: has been a pretty strong presence in that locker room.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's something they can overcome. I think

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Speaker 1: they've got enough voices in that locker room that they

573
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Speaker 1: can deal with the loss of Smart. In fact, I

574
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Speaker 1: think the loss of Smart is more significant on the

575
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Speaker 1: court than it is off and I understand why they

576
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Speaker 1: did this deal. Colin. You know this goes back to

577
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Speaker 1: the trade deadline in this past February, when the Celtics

578
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,479
Speaker 1: were all in on Yaka Pertl. They wanted Yaka Perle

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Speaker 1: in San Antonio. The asking price from the Spurs was

580
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Speaker 1: two first round draft picks. They had two offers on

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Speaker 1: the table. One was from Toronto with a first round

582
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Speaker 1: pick and filler, one was from Boston first round pick

583
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Speaker 1: and filler without that second first round pick. The Spurs say, well,

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Speaker 1: the Raptor's pick is going to be better, so we're

585
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Speaker 1: going to take the Raptors offer. The Celtics pivoted and

586
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: they kept Luke Cornett and they added Mike Muscala, two

587
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: guys that turned out to be unplayable in the postseason.

588
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,479
Speaker 1: So they went into this offseason knowing that with Al

589
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: Horford about to turn or just turn thirty seven years old,

590
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: with Robert Williams historically unhealthy, and with Grant Williams his

591
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: status for the long term still unknown, they had to

592
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 1: add somebody reliable, and Porzingis, at least this past season,

593
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: was reliable. It's abundantly clear that the Celtics wanted to

594
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Speaker 1: give up Malcolm Brogden in that transaction, but Brogden's forearm

595
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: injury is clearly something that is a cause for concern.

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Speaker 3: So I understand that.

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Speaker 1: It's a long way of saying I understand why they

598
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Speaker 1: did it, But you know Brogden, who has been an

599
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Speaker 1: injury prone player for the entirety of his career.

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Speaker 3: If you know, the.

601
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Speaker 1: Celtics are saying all the right things right now about

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Speaker 1: that arm, I got to be honest. Some of the

603
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: rumblings I'm hearing is that that arm may not be

604
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:56,919
Speaker 1: the kind of thing that you give it a few

605
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: weeks off and it's going to be fine for next season.

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00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: I would have serious concern about Malcolm Brogden going into

607
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: next season. And if Brogden is not able to give

608
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: you the kind of durability he had during the regular

609
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: season last year, what are you looking at right now?

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00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: Their rotation is Derek White, it's Peyton Pritchard, and it's

611
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: Sam Hauser. Two of those three guys were not part

612
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Speaker 1: of the postseason rotation. So not only are you still

613
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Speaker 1: finish up front, because as we talk, I don't know

614
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: what's going to happen with Grant Williams if he's back,

615
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: if he's signed and traded. I don't know what's going

616
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: to happen with that situation. But you are looking at

617
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: a backcourt where Derek White might be your only reliable option.

618
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: That to me is scary. I see a lot of

619
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: takes out there about how the Celtics are better in

620
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: the aftermath of this deal a month from now. That

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Speaker 1: might be true if they bring Grant Williams back, if

622
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Speaker 1: they swing another deal to get a reliable backcourt player,

623
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Speaker 1: that could turn out to be accurate. But right now,

624
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Speaker 1: I think the Celtics are a worst version of the

625
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: team that they were last year.

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Speaker 2: Well remember last year they were great and blowouts, They

627
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 2: thump people all the time. They were about a five

628
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 2: hundred team in close games, and sometimes that offense got

629
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 2: jammed up. So I saw Porzingis as a he'll on

630
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: jam it. Just go to the big eight feet in moves,

631
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: well slashes, He'll get you unjammed. Offensively, if Brown and

632
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 2: Tatum get into these kind of weird you know, these

633
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: Rubik's cube and they can't quite figure it out, and

634
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: you take it over, and Brown's more aggressive, and so

635
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 2: I do think they it makes sense. William's you're bubble

636
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 2: wrapping essentially for the playoffs. Horford is just older and

637
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 2: less dynamic, and I do think he does get you

638
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 2: a bucket, gets you unjammed, which the Celtics did a

639
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: lot of those close games. We were all going, why

640
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 2: is Marcus Smart taking the shots? But I think your

641
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 2: point is championships may not run through the point guard position.

642
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 2: But boy, you watch close games and half court games.

643
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 2: If you don't have a facilitator, you know the guy.

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00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: One of the teams that really did well just for

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Speaker 2: an individual player was Washington getting Jones, who nobody watches,

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Speaker 2: but I know I think Memphis because Jaws plus you know,

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Speaker 2: if you look at Jaws net rating, he's going to

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Speaker 2: be on for twenty five games. Marcus is not a

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Speaker 2: true facilitator. Nobody has talked about Tias Jones, and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: did Washington snare for a song one of the better

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Speaker 2: players that moved?

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Speaker 3: I think call it on that. Memphis needed to do

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Speaker 3: two things this offseason.

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Speaker 1: One was to find a plug and play point guard

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Speaker 1: for the time that John Moranda is out, and the

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Speaker 1: other was to replace Dylan Brooks like they needed a

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Speaker 1: wing defender.

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Speaker 3: And Marcus Smart can do both those things.

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Speaker 1: Remember the last trade deadline, they were offering three or

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Speaker 1: four first round picks to Brooklyn to get Michale bridges

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Speaker 1: out of there to Toronto to try to extract O

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Speaker 1: Giana Noobi like they were after that wing defender last year,

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Speaker 1: in part because they knew this was coming with Dylan

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Speaker 1: Brooks potentially parting ways with them.

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Speaker 3: Marcus gives them a little bit of both.

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Speaker 1: He's not the pure playmaker that Tias Jones is, but

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Speaker 1: he has light years better defensively and gives them a

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Speaker 1: guy that can guard three, sometimes four positions out there

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Speaker 1: at a pretty high level.

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Speaker 2: All right, Chris Mannix, great stuff back and forth, keep

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Speaker 2: our eyes on Dame as always, Buddy. I know this

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Speaker 2: weekend you've been busy with some personal stuff. All good,

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Speaker 2: Very happy for you, Love that we're resigning you at

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Speaker 2: the Volume. You've been tremendous for us, and have a

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Speaker 2: great next few holiday days off.

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Speaker 1: Love being back calling, and I always appreciate catching up

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Speaker 1: with you and looking forward to what's next the Volume