1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today. I have a 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: podcast for you that I actually recorded on Friday, which 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: was obviously before the assassination attempt on former President Trump's life, 4 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: And oddly enough, in this podcast, it's really relevant because 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: Julian Epstein is on with me and he's a Democrat, 6 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: and we actually talk about the divide between the two 7 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: parties and within the parties themselves. And I had to 8 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: add this to the beginning of that podcast because of 9 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: what happened on Saturday night. And first of all, I 10 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: just want to say that we are praying for the 11 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: family who lost their family member at the rally and 12 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: the others who are hospitalized. 13 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 2: I just. 14 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: I am shocked that this is where we are as 15 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: a country, that this nasty rhetoric, this constant idea that 16 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: there's someone out there that is a threat to you 17 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: in the United States of America, could cause someone to 18 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: then go and commit se to horrendous act in an 19 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 1: attempt to assassinate the former president. But ultimately, we have 20 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 1: people whose families will never be the same today, and 21 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: I do believe that that is directly linked back to 22 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: all of these blowny garbage threats that life will never 23 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: be the same if Donald Trump gets into office. And 24 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: I think right now this should be a time of reflection, 25 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: and so I'm actually coming to you all and asking 26 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: you for prayer, Prayer for those of us who have 27 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: a platform that can speak, prayer for the right words 28 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: to speak. We've found out that words have so much power, 29 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: and we've heard so many negative words about conservatives lately, 30 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: and I'm telling you the one that is concerning me 31 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: most is telling people, especially young people and impressionable people, 32 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: that we as conservatives are a threat. During my campaign, 33 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: a group like I've experienced this and I feel like 34 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: I need to talk about this because having these people 35 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: say I was a threat, it's just so ridiculous. It's 36 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: so un American. And during my campaign there was a 37 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: group called Defend Democracy Project and they actually listed me 38 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: as a threat to democracy. It's like a group that 39 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 1: puts out a hit list on you. I mean, really, 40 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: this is like, these are the people that you should 41 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: be afraid of, these are the bad ones. And why 42 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: they said I took part in unprecedented attempts to overturn 43 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: the will of American voters. How, I mean, how what 44 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: was I involved in? Nothing? Nothing? There's nothing. The article 45 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 1: doesn't ever explain it. They never have to, because that's 46 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: how this works when you're a Republican. I've never been 47 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: a part of anything like that, not even remotely, but 48 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: I don't have to have been, because now they got 49 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: what they wanted, They got their headline, and they knew that. 50 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: As soon as people would hear oh, she's a threat, 51 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: she's on a hit list, she's a threat, they would 52 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: want to scare me, They would want to scare voters, 53 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: and maybe even they would want to hurt me. And 54 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: these groups get paid. I mean they talk about the grift. 55 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: They get paid to create a list of people who 56 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: are bad Conservatives, and then they distribute to this to 57 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: all their little lackeys who are going to go out 58 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: and say, Okay, this person's a threat, and that person's 59 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: a threat, and you have to be aware of this. 60 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: Well over the weekend, this went too far. You can 61 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: say what you want about conservatives, but we don't have 62 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 1: any groups putting Whitmer on a hit list. I mean, 63 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: despite her illegal orders, despite the fact that she threw 64 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: people in jail for no reason at all, She stole 65 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: people's business licenses, she robbed children of an education. We 66 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: didn't go out there and say she's a threat, said 67 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: vote against her. We have a system for this. The 68 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: system is not taking the person out. The system is 69 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: not putting the person in jail. The system is vote 70 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: them out. But you see, their policies are so bad. 71 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: Their policies are so so bad that they can't say 72 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: we don't like her policies because they're actually good. They 73 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: couldn't come after me for what I would saying that 74 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: would fix the state. They had to come after me 75 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: for something else. And they have to make their political 76 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: opponents inhumane. They wanted to so that people can't morally 77 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: support you. They want to label you in such a 78 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: way that there's no defense. I mean, if you think 79 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: about this, like their label for me was I was 80 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: an extremist, like you know everybody who's the right now, 81 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,679 Speaker 1: I was an extremist. I was an extremist on abortion, 82 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: and their rights would never be the same. The funny 83 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: thing about it is I wasn't going to have any 84 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: choice in what happened on abortion, no matter what. And 85 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: the bizarre part about it is, no matter how many 86 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: times I said I don't know, I'm not actually choosing 87 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: what happens. The people of the state of Michigan, they're 88 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: choosing what happens on abortion. It's up to them to decide. 89 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: They're going to vote on this. I don't choose what happens. 90 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: And the governor Whitmer at the time, said, oh, she'll 91 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: change it. Shed she'll go in there. She's an extremist, 92 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: she'll change it. And I said, can't change the constitution. 93 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: This is a constitutional amendment. I am running for office 94 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: to abide by the law. Didn't matter. Do you think 95 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: a single media organization came out and said, actually, Tutor 96 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: Dixon will have no effect on abortion, and actually, if 97 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: you should vote one way or another, Tutor Dixon can 98 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: do nothing ever on abortion. Nope, because these media organizations 99 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 1: are responsible. They're part of it. They're part of the 100 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: hit lists. They're helping to put people on it. School 101 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: choice the same, she's going to take away education. How 102 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: bizarre this is after kids in Michigan have not had 103 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: an education in over a year, and the media they 104 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: go let right along with it, and they make me 105 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: into a monster on policy, but beyond on my own 106 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: personal belief system, if it doesn't line up with everybody 107 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 1: else's in the state, then somehow I'm going to change 108 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: the constitution. It's crazy. And don't get me wrong, I've 109 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: seen responses to this assassination attempt on former President Trump's life, 110 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: and they've been disgusting from both sides this weekend. Both sides. 111 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: I've seen these horrible responses from people who talk about 112 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: better aim and they wish that it actually happened, all 113 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 1: these horrific things. But I've also seen people on our 114 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: side who have immediately jumped on this DEI blowney, saying 115 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: women can't be in the Secret Service and this is 116 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: so dangerous, and we can't have women have these jobs. 117 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: Where are all the burly men, where all the marines? 118 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: I have news for you, and I'm serious about this. 119 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: These are what we call the hot takes. Those are 120 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: the people who are saying things that make no sense, 121 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: and they actually help nothing in the moment, in this moment, 122 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: when you see those things, when you see those people 123 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: who are like women's suck, get them out of any position. 124 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: Get those people off your social media feed. When you 125 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: see the people who are like, darn it, he missed, 126 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: wish they'd gotten him, Get those people off your social 127 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: media feed, because those people they're not there to actually 128 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: talk about something reasonable. Well, they're not talking about policy. 129 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: They don't know what training these women have gone through, 130 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: and they don't know what we as women go through 131 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: to have the jobs that we have. They aren't doing 132 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: it because they're trying to be constructive. They're saying these 133 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: things because they want to get clicks. It's their business. 134 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: They get more money, more clicks, more money. They're saying 135 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: something that is so unthinkable that you might go, oh, yeah, 136 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: maybe it was the women. I'll like that. They're wrong. 137 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: They're wrong. We are working so hard out here to 138 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: make sure that Americans just continue being Americans, that they 139 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: just continue to have freedoms, that these people who are 140 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: serving themselves that are just trying to become rich on 141 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: social media, that they are not the ones that are 142 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: controlling young people today. There are so many conservatives out 143 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: there that are like, listen, we want less government. We 144 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: want to make sure that you have your freedoms. We 145 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: want to make sure that you can worship where you 146 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: want to worship, that you can afford your groceries, that 147 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: your kids get educated. But these hot takes, they don't help. 148 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: They're not helping. They're simply not helping bashing people on 149 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: either side. And in this moment, this is the moment 150 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: when you go, WHOA, Wow, this got out of hand. 151 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: Now we have to think clearly. We have to be 152 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: careful with our words. We have to be intentional with 153 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: our words. We have to step back and ask God 154 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: to help us be intentional with our words. And I 155 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: would say, if you are someone who has a platform, 156 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: or even if you're just talking to your friends or 157 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: your neighbors, be intentional right now with your words. Make 158 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: sure your words mean what you want them to mean, 159 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: because we're all wishing that something could have been different 160 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: on Saturday night, that there wasn't somebody who had been 161 00:08:54,920 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: driven to this, that this disgusting message, this clickbait message, 162 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: this ratings message. That America is going to be better 163 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: than this going forward. And I say that the clickbait 164 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: message because these people who you see on social media, 165 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: it's not just them, my gosh, it's the people on 166 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: TV as well, the people on TV who have called 167 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: for President Trump to be eliminated. Let us get back 168 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: to fighting on policy and talking about what's better for 169 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: our kids, what's better for our seniors, what's better for America. 170 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: Let us fight on those principles. No more calling each 171 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: other a threat. There are no threats in this country 172 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: under the Founding Fathers government that they set up. They 173 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: made it so that there are no threats that if 174 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: someone terrible gets in, you can vote them out the 175 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 1: next time. That you fight on equal ground, on fair ground, 176 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: that you fight on policies, and you fight on truth. 177 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: You fight on truth because words matter, and because the 178 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 1: words that I've heard from the mainstream media, the constant 179 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: threats to democracy. Nancy Pelosi is saying that we have 180 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: to get rid of Donald Trump. You've got senators out there, 181 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 1: what's the same, Senator Goldman saying that he has to 182 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: be eliminated. If you've got Joe Biden saying you got 183 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: to put a bullseye on him. Because all those words 184 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: they mean something. And eventually you figure out that what 185 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: they're saying and what people are hearing is that they're 186 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: saying it's time to kill someone. They don't necessarily mean that. 187 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: This is just conversation. But that kid, he heard that, 188 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: he heard that and he was like, man, I got 189 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: to protect this country. There's nothing I wouldn't do to 190 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: protect this country. I got to do it. Because that's 191 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: what these people in power are telling me. There's no 192 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: other protection out there. Good grief, it's ridiculous. Only people 193 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: who are saying that Donald Trump can't get elected because 194 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: he's a threat are people who don't know how government works, 195 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: or they're so obsessed with being in control they're willing 196 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: to brainwash people to try to get there. If we 197 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: constantly go after people and say we've got a police, 198 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: we've got to police everybody, then everybody's going to be policed. 199 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: We've just got to get back to having normal conversations. 200 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you look at what they've done to President Trump. 201 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 2: Man. 202 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: They're in trouble now. They've been saying, gosh, he's a 203 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 1: convicted felon, he's this threat to democracy. He's such a 204 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: bad guy. They created all of this, and now they 205 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: had someone on their side do the unthinkable. And so 206 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: the question is like, at this point do we go 207 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: back and we say man, hmm. I heard Joid Read, 208 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: I heard Joy Red say it. I've heard Caitln Collins 209 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: say it, heard Nancy Pelosi say it. I've heard all 210 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: of these people on the left of my gosh, I've 211 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: heard Morning Joe say it, heard all of these people 212 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: say you got to get rid of him, you got 213 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: to eliminate him. Do all of those people have to 214 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: go to jail or do we take a step back 215 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: and do we say we stop, we stop with this 216 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: crazy rhetoric. We'd stop with the threats. We stop saying 217 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: this because it's dangerous and it's coming directly from the media. 218 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: Like I said, I know because I was a candidate 219 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: and I thought the same thing I thought at that time. Man, 220 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: they're not asking me questions because they want to know 221 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: who I am. They don't want to know about my policy, 222 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: they don't want to fight on fair ground. They're asking 223 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: me these questions because they want to help Democrats make ads. 224 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: They're figuring out how to get that one SoundBite that 225 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 1: they can make me sound like a threat. A threat, 226 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 1: And there is nothing scarier to the people of America, 227 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 1: nothing scarier to this younger generation who has never had 228 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: a threat. They've never had to fight a war. They 229 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: didn't see nine to eleven up close and personal. They 230 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: never saw World War Two, they've never seen Vietnam. So 231 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: political threat, that's potentially the scariest threat they've ever seen 232 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: in their lifetime. And they have to eliminate it. Stop 233 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: talking like this. You hear me talk about policy, and 234 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: I'll say one more thing. Gretchen Woimer didn't want to 235 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: fight on policy. And you're probably going to see this 236 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: over the next few days, but I think she was 237 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: one of the original people calling for Donald Trump to 238 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: be eliminated because when we were in the midst of 239 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: the pandemic and she didn't like the way he was 240 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: handling the pandemic, and she felt like she had to 241 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: come out and go after him in some way. She 242 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: decided to put a little sticker in the back of 243 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 1: her media hit area so that every time she went 244 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: on TV, there was a sticker that said, eighty six 245 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: forty five. Eighty six forty five. You know what happens 246 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: when you're eighty six something, I mean, you go in 247 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: the kitchen, kill the onions. Eighty six. She knew what 248 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 1: it meant. She knew exactly what it meant. She called 249 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: for the assassination of a president. I think she's an idiot. 250 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 1: I don't think that she should go to jail for it. 251 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: I think she's an idiot. I think that we've gotten 252 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: too many people that are idiots out there that say 253 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: whatever they want because she's also obsessed with the clickbait, 254 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: obsessed with the social media. We as Michiganders, pay more 255 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: money for our social media team than I think anything 256 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: else because her social media runs over time. And she 257 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: thought that would be hilarious. She thought that would get 258 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: a lot of clicks. Go to the edge, be as 259 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: risky as possible. Say women shouldn't be involved in the 260 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: secret service. Go out there and say, man, we wish 261 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: she didn't miss. Go out there and threaten eighty six 262 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: forty five. It's enough. Be done. Start praying for people 263 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: to say the right thing, and I'm included in that. 264 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: Help me to say the right thing. Help me to 265 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: speak words that God wants me to speak to, have 266 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: the Spirit speak through me. Because it's time to stop 267 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: to run for office like normal people. Stop saying conservatives 268 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: are a threat. And I say this before you listen 269 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: to this, because it's interesting. I talked to Julian Epstein 270 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: about all of this, and I mean, oddly enough, we 271 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: talk about what it is to be a good Republican 272 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: and a good Democrat and speak together. And you're going 273 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: to hear in this interview a Democrat and a Republican 274 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: come together and say we don't always agree, but it's 275 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: at mean that we have to be mean to each other. 276 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: Doesn't mean that we can't talk. We can talk. And 277 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: so I sort of loved that this was the interview 278 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: because I just feel like that was a god thing 279 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: And I want you to listen to this with an 280 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: open mind and think about what it means for the 281 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: future and how we can come together. And before I 282 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: introduce this to you, I just want to say again 283 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: that my prayers are with President Trump, and my prayers 284 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: are with the family of the man out of Pennsylvania 285 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: and the people who are in the hospital right now, 286 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: and really for all of the people in this country 287 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: for the tensions, for the political fights. These are not 288 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: fair fights, but I'm praying for them, and I'm praying 289 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: for President Biden, and I'm praying for Gretchen Wimmer, and 290 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: I'm praying that we all get back to saying the 291 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: right things, fighting fairly, talking about policy, talking about what 292 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: we want for you, because these are the people who 293 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: are here to fight and serve. With that, I introduced 294 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: this interview with Julian Epstein, and I'm so glad that 295 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: you guys continue listening to me and I hope that 296 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: I can serve you well, and I hope that my 297 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: words will be positive and encouraging for you. Julian, thank 298 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: you so much for joining. We were just talking about 299 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: how things in both parties are obviously a lot different, 300 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: and you have been criticized in the past because you 301 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: came out. I think it was in November of twenty three, 302 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: or maybe it was even before that that you came 303 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: out and said you thought that Joe Biden should not 304 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: run again. And people really mad at you then, weren't they. 305 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Tutor, First of all, it is a pleasure 306 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 2: to be back on with you. As I think I 307 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 2: mentioned on social media the other day, I always enjoy 308 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 2: our conversations because I always feel like I'm learn something 309 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 2: when we chat, which is more than I can say 310 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 2: about most conversations I have people in politics these days, 311 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 2: people are so dug in and not willing to sort 312 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 2: of consider the weakness of maybe their own views or 313 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 2: be open to being persuaded. So I really enjoy our conversations. Yeah. 314 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,479 Speaker 2: I wrote the piece in March of twenty three actually 315 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 2: arguing that Biden shouldn't run, and I argue that for 316 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 2: two reasons. One is I didn't think then that he 317 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 2: had the mental capacity for a second term and all 318 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 2: of the evidence, I mean, the fact that the debate 319 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 2: was such a surprise to people is what the surprise is, 320 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 2: because the evidence has been on the table for so long. 321 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 2: I mean. The most compelling piece of evidence for me, 322 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 2: and when I turned was very early on in the 323 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 2: Biden administration in August of twenty twenty one, during the 324 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 2: withdrawal from Afghanistan, which was a horrible disaster for American 325 00:17:55,960 --> 00:18:01,479 Speaker 2: security and an embarrassment. But more importantly, Biden's generals all 326 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 2: thought that we could have stabilized the Afghani government by 327 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 2: maintaining a skeletal force of five six seven thousand advisors, 328 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 2: air force capability, a number of things that were spelled out. 329 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 2: When Biden was interviewed in late August about it, or 330 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 2: early September after the fateful withdrawal, he didn't know what 331 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 2: his general's positions were on that. He insisted that his 332 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 2: generals all supported the complete withdrawal and supported his position, 333 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 2: which they didn't, and they testified before Congress that they didn't. 334 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 2: And this to me was the canary and the coal 335 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 2: mine that indicated there was a big disconnect that would 336 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 2: have serious consequences for the country, and in this case 337 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 2: for national securities. You've seen Al Qaeda has now repopulated 338 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 2: Afghanistan and they committed an attack in Russia recently at 339 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 2: the theater, and Afghanistan is a pretty sad situation. I 340 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 2: had an event at my house actually last night and 341 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 2: met a young woman whose father was killed by the Taliban, 342 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 2: and she reports what an incredibly repressive, horrible situation it 343 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 2: is in Afghanistan and particularly for women. And you know, 344 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 2: we got into the conversation about what Gaza would look 345 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 2: like if Gaza, if Amas is allowed to prevail, and 346 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 2: she said, quite literally, you know, we are going down 347 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 2: the road towards the talibanization of Gaza, and the and 348 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 2: the sort of the Palestinian population has been radicalized by Gaza. 349 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 2: And so all of this is a long way of 350 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 2: saying that the disconnect on Biden onn Afghanistan has been 351 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 2: shown sort of in my mind elsewhere, I think the 352 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 2: Mid East policy has been incoherent and has hurt not 353 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 2: just our security, but has compromised Israel in particular sort 354 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 2: of the you know, the both sides. You know, sometimes 355 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 2: I'm behind Israel sometimes I'm criticizing Israel, which has been 356 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 2: an invitation for Iran and has been amaster just to 357 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 2: step up. And you know, you hear Democrats saying, well, 358 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 2: the only problem right now is that Biden, you know, 359 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 2: may not have the mental capacity for a second term, 360 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 2: but he sure has had a good first term. And 361 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 2: I say to myself, you know, what planet are you 362 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 2: living on? And again, in the same way that I 363 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 2: think Democratic elites lied to the country when they knew 364 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 2: Biden didn't have the capacity for a second term, and 365 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 2: I think the staff is cravingly holding onto power, and 366 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 2: there's been sort of a cultural rod on the left, 367 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 2: they similarly don't get. They have this elite fantasy that 368 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 2: if you pass the American Rescue Plan or the Inflation 369 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 2: Reduction Act or the Infrastructure Bill, that it's a successful 370 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 2: presidency because you can count legislation on your hand the 371 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 2: number of bills passed. Well, the problem with that is 372 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 2: that Americans don't care about the number of bills you passed. 373 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 2: Americans care about real results. So when they see twenty 374 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 2: percent inflation, they think, no, this has not been a 375 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 2: good presidency. When they think when they see the borders, 376 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 2: you know, the floodgates have just broken on the borders, 377 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 2: and we've had ten million plus illegal migrants coming across 378 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 2: the border. That's chaos. When they see the crime spikes, 379 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 2: you know, you hear democrats say, well, crime went down 380 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 2: last year. Well it's not the point. The point is, 381 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 2: in particularly blue cities, since the summer of twenty twenty, 382 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 2: when we've had this real insane push for de prosecution, 383 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 2: you've seen huge crime spikes in the cities, in blue 384 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 2: cities where these prosecutors are calling the shots. And you know, 385 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 2: I live in Washington, d C. A good part of 386 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 2: the year and you see it here every day. Everyone 387 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 2: you know in this city has had been a victim 388 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 2: of some type of crime. So there's chaos. I think 389 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 2: people see the chaos. They don't like the economic results, 390 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 2: they don't like migrat problem, they don't like the crime problem, 391 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 2: and they don't like critical gender and critical race. It's 392 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 2: not to say that we shouldn't address those issues, you know, sensitively. If, 393 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 2: for example, and I'm probably going on a little along here, 394 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 2: if for example, a teenager has gender dysphoria, you treat 395 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 2: that teenager with kindness and care and sensitivity. But it's 396 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,959 Speaker 2: a very very different argument, I think, to art to 397 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 2: say that that teenager should be coached towards gender transformation. 398 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 2: And as we know from the Hillary cast report, this 399 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 2: industry is maybe creating all kinds of really practices that 400 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 2: are aggravating and making worse the situation of these teenagers 401 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 2: who are in trouble. Uh. And it's an industry that 402 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 2: is driven in some part by profit and the fact 403 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 2: that the Democrats haven't been able to find a happy 404 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 2: place on that this is just an example. You know, 405 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 2: treat kids that have these problems with care and kindness, 406 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 2: but it doesn't mean you coach them to change their 407 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 2: gender before they really know what they're doing. Similarly, with 408 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 2: title nine, you and I have talked about this before. 409 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 2: You know, biological men playing in women's sports. Again, you 410 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 2: treat you know, everybody should be treated with kindness and 411 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 2: sensitivity and fairness and warmth, but it doesn't mean you're 412 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 2: letting biological men into women's locker rooms. And Democrats have 413 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 2: not been able to find that happy, happy center, that 414 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 2: common sense center on a whole range of issues, and 415 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 2: the fact that Democrats now think that they've had a 416 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 2: successful agenda is belied by all of the polling data, 417 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 2: which shows that they are underwater almost every issue except 418 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 2: for abortion. 419 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more of my interview with Julian Epstein, 420 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 1: But first I want to take a moment to tell 421 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: you about my partners at bond Arms. 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This is an administration that has 441 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: a lot of control over the media narrative, and we've 442 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: seen that now. We've seen that they've they've given questions 443 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,719 Speaker 1: to people. They're controlling what the media is saying. But 444 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 1: the media is also deaf, definitely biased toward the Democrats 445 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 1: and anybody who is in office. I mean, we've seen 446 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: it here in Michigan. But you talk about Afghanistan. I 447 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,719 Speaker 1: have never heard anybody on the left talk about what 448 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: will happen to girls in Afghanistan now? And that, to me, 449 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: what you just said is something that because we don't 450 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: feel it every day, we think, well, it's not our problem. 451 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: It's funny to me because Ukraine is our problem, in 452 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: Israel is our problem, but Afghanistan and the girls there 453 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: are not our problem. And I don't understand how you 454 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: can be desensitized to that but oversensitized to the other. 455 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 1: It doesn't seem to make sense, but I can connect 456 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: it all back to how the media presents it because 457 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: the media has so much power. And it's the same 458 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:47,479 Speaker 1: thing with constantly being told the Biden presidency has been 459 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 1: a success, It's been a success, so many great things 460 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 1: have happened. And you said, how could you not know 461 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: that Biden was in this situation? Well, the fact that 462 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: so many voters did not know makes me believe even 463 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,719 Speaker 1: more so so that the media has that kind of power. 464 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: And yet I look at the polls and I think, Okay, 465 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: now people do know, and they're still neck and neck. 466 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: So I think it's just as much on the other side. 467 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: I mean, we are in a political climate right now 468 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 1: where there are factions that are so bought in for 469 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: their candidate and there's this group in the middle that 470 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: just doesn't know where they belong in. 471 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 2: I think that's very well said Tutor. I mean, I 472 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 2: think that the problem that occurred with a Biden mental 473 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 2: capacity issue is one a narcissism on the part of 474 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 2: Biden and the family believing I'm the only person that 475 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 2: can save the country, and that is narcissism. He's probably, 476 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 2: amongst the candidates that are discussed, the worst position to 477 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 2: win of all of them. So there's a narcissism. There's 478 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 2: a cravenness on the part of the staff who misled 479 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 2: the public and all of us, although I don't know 480 00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 2: how people could be so naive to be misled when 481 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 2: so much evidence on the table, but there's a cravenness 482 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 2: on part of the staff. There is a deception that 483 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 2: has occurred amongst Democratic Party elites for which there should 484 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 2: be an accounting. This is like the cordiers of a 485 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 2: royal court in sixteenth century Britain, where you just sort 486 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 2: of go out and tell people that it's the weather 487 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 2: is great when it's raining outside, and expect if you 488 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 2: repeat it enough, people will actually start to believe you. 489 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 2: And then there's a news media which you point out. 490 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 2: You know, there was an interesting article I don't know 491 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 2: if you saw it, tutor in the column in by 492 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 2: a conservative columnist in the Washington Post yesterday, Megan mccartal, 493 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 2: who argued that Fox News viewers were much more informed 494 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 2: about the president's mental condition and mental fitness than were 495 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 2: the viewers of the other networks and mainstream media. And 496 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 2: you know, so I sort of second that. I think 497 00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 2: that's true, but I think you can also say that 498 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 2: was true about Afghanistan, they were more in the No 499 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 2: Afghanistan they were. They had a much better fix on 500 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 2: the fact that inflation was not transitory. They had a 501 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 2: much better fix that the public was really disapproving of 502 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:15,199 Speaker 2: the migration mess and crime as well. And if you 503 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 2: track where the Democrats are behind on the major issues, 504 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 2: everything other than abortion, you will see and I argue 505 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 2: this to my friends all the time on the left, 506 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 2: you should pay attention to conservative media. You'll become a 507 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 2: lot smarter if you listen to conservative media, because you 508 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 2: would have had an early warning system on all the 509 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 2: problems we're facing on globally right now. You would have 510 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 2: had an early warning system on inflation, migration, crime, sort 511 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 2: of on down the line. And in fact, what we're 512 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 2: seeing in the polling, which again Democrats are not recognized, 513 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 2: is they're way behind on most issues. And if they 514 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 2: sort of listened to if they had listened to sort 515 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 2: of opposing opinions which you can get in conservative media, 516 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 2: I think they would have been a lot smarter on 517 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 2: this issue. And itt tracks. I think with groupthink authoritarian 518 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 2: mindset that's occurring on the left where they shut down 519 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 2: primaries because they didn't want debate they don't really listen 520 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 2: to talk to dissenting views on policy issues because there 521 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 2: is this really sort of there is this sort of 522 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 2: progressive orthodoxy that is that it is. It's so fragile 523 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 2: and such sort of you know, there's so there's such 524 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 2: chemophiliacs that they feel if they're criticized from the left, 525 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 2: the whole thing will fall apart, and it's what ultimately 526 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 2: makes you very stupid. 527 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: I mean, it's interesting because I saw Joy read and 528 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: she was talking about like, I don't care who it is. 529 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I think we should stick with Joe Biden. 530 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: If it's not Joe Biden, we have to go with 531 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris. And if it's anybody else, we just have 532 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: to make sure it's not Trump because Trump will destroy 533 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: the country. And it's funny to me because you know, 534 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: I don't I'm not a Joe Biden fan. The progressive 535 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: left scares me, and I was very sad when he 536 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: won the election in twenty twenty, but there was no 537 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: part of me that was like it's all gone. We 538 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: can never get it back, because in my mind, I'm like, Okay, 539 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: in four years, we get an election again, and we 540 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: can shift things. This idea that they are telling the 541 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: American people it's the end of the country. He'll destroy 542 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: the constitution, democracy will be over, He'll take all of 543 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: your rights. I've never in my lifetime seen the media 544 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: feed this kind of belogna to the American people, but 545 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: they're so sensitive to it. They believe that's possible. And 546 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: our system is set up so it's not well. 547 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 2: Look Tudor if to the point again about listening to 548 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 2: opposing views, I completely agree with you on the media. 549 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 2: I'm a Democrat. I voted for Joe Biden. I can't 550 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 2: say I'm happy with the results of his administration. I 551 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 2: don't think it's been a good administration. I would have 552 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 2: a hard time voting for him again. But to your 553 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 2: point about the news media, what we saw several years 554 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 2: ago is a seismic change in the institution of journalism. 555 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 2: Journalism is supposed to be about checks on the powerful, independence, 556 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 2: rigorous investigation, skepticism, asking the tough questions to hold the 557 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 2: powerful accountable. And that's the way it's supposed to work. 558 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 2: And what happened several years ago is they checked that 559 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 2: at the door, and they substituted it with activism in 560 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 2: the newsrooms and progressive activism. And I say this as 561 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 2: a Democrat, and you know, the honest journalists now are 562 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 2: recognizing that, yes, mainstream media is absolutely biased. There's just 563 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 2: no question. I mean, you can go down the list 564 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 2: Hunter Biden, laptop lab theory, all the things I sort 565 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 2: of got wrong, Jesse Smallett. There's just too much evidence 566 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 2: on the table right now, the mainstream media swooning to 567 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 2: a narrative because it fits a progressive, you know, worldview, 568 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,959 Speaker 2: and finding out that what they've done they failed to 569 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 2: do is just you know, check their politics at the 570 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 2: door and do the honest of goodness investigation to get 571 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 2: to the truth. 572 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: You know. 573 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 2: And if we had done that on COVID, we would 574 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 2: have probably been in a better place in school lockdowns, 575 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 2: and we would have had a better understanding of what 576 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 2: happened in the lab, if we had had an honest 577 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 2: view of migration. You know, part of the reason that 578 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 2: the black working classes leaving the Democratic Party is because 579 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 2: there's a fair amount of evidence on the table that 580 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 2: uncontrolled migration leads to a depression of wages for working 581 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 2: class white, black and brown And you know, the elites 582 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 2: don't feel that because they're insulated from that in the 583 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 2: same way they were in Martha's Vineyard when the migrants, 584 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 2: you know, were shipped to ship to Martha's Vineyard, and 585 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 2: then they quickly found a way to've rit them from 586 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:07,239 Speaker 2: their sites. Right, But elites don't feel it, but the 587 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 2: working class do. And so there is this, you know, 588 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 2: there is this disconnect between the college ed elites of 589 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 2: the left and the rest of the country, I think, 590 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 2: and the news media shares that same disconnect and really 591 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 2: thinks that they are sort of the arbitras of you know, 592 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 2: the ideological correct position, and that is not their job. 593 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 2: And hopefully what comes as a result of the debacle, 594 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 2: the debate debacle, is that the news media has a 595 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 2: come up and they because you see them all covering 596 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 2: their ass now. The New York Times editorializes in George 597 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 2: Clooney writes his up ed and sort of, you know, 598 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 2: all of these, all these reporters are not you know, 599 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 2: Chuck Pod. You know, I can't believe he ran again. 600 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 2: You know, this is an act of narcissism. He should 601 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 2: have been take Garretty and you see all this of 602 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 2: you know, and I sort of want to cry bullshit 603 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 2: on called bullshit on it because why didn't you say 604 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 2: that that. 605 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: I mean, as as someone who ran for office on 606 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:19,439 Speaker 1: the Republican side, I didn't have any idea how bad 607 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: it was until I ran for office. And there was 608 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: never a time when I was sat down in an 609 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: interview where the media was like, we really want to 610 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: hear your plan on this. It was you are a 611 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 1: force further tell us about abortion. Your for no abortion, 612 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: You're going to ban abortion. It's like, I never got 613 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 1: to talk. You could never. They weren't asking me, they 614 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: were defining me. They weren't interviewing me. They didn't want 615 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 1: the public to know who I was. They wanted to 616 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: tell the public I was a certain person and I 617 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: was never going to get my story across. And then 618 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: they totally protect the other side. And like just last 619 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 1: week and we just talked about this over the weekend, 620 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 1: we had a situation in Michigan where, to me, the 621 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 1: this is protecting Gretchen Whitmer. And maybe I'm wrong, but 622 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 1: we had two mass shootings in the last three weeks. 623 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: One was at a Rochester Hills splash pad, a very wealthy, 624 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,720 Speaker 1: very white area. The New York Times wrote about everybody 625 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: wrote about it. Whitmer tweeted about it. It was devastating 626 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 1: last weekend. Last weekend, we had the largest mass shooting 627 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,240 Speaker 1: in the state of Michigan's history in the city of Detroit. 628 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: The governor doesn't mention it, doesn't tweet about it, no 629 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: national stories. She's on a book tour in New York 630 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: right now. She has had interviews every single day. Not 631 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 1: a single question, what are you going to do about 632 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: crime in Detroit? You had the largest mass shooting in 633 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,879 Speaker 1: the history of Michigan and the second largest was last year. 634 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: What are you going to do about these mass shootings 635 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: that you're having that have risen two and a half 636 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,359 Speaker 1: times since you took office. No one mentions it. How 637 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: is this possible? 638 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 2: Nor do they mention the carnage that goes on the 639 00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 2: south side of Detroit. And look, there is a there. 640 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 2: There is a massive failure. And I say this again 641 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 2: as somebody sort of in the political center who has 642 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 2: traditionally voted Democrat, who was very disenchanted with the Democrats. 643 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 2: Now there is a massive failure on the news media. 644 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 2: There is sort of, you know, this tendency to go 645 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,879 Speaker 2: for the dopamine highs that you get from vilifying one 646 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 2: side versus the other. It sells copy, it gets viewers, 647 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,479 Speaker 2: all of that stuff. It's not their job. Their job 648 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 2: is to do honest reporting and to check the politics 649 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,839 Speaker 2: at the door, and they have, for the most part, 650 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 2: they failed to do that. But now you see them 651 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 2: all covering their ass. Oh, we're honest reporters. We're going 652 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 2: to sort of hold you know, we're gonna we're gonna 653 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,799 Speaker 2: hold Biden accountable. We're gonna ask the tough questions. Now, well, 654 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 2: you know, where were you and to your point about 655 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 2: you know, when I wrote the piece in the Wall 656 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 2: Street Journal in March of twenty three, you know, it 657 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 2: was sort of either crickets or it was you know, 658 00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 2: how could you be such a heretic? And you know, 659 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, you're just hurting yourself 660 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:10,240 Speaker 2: because the stupidity of group think, that the failure to reflect, 661 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 2: the failure to think about where your own position might 662 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 2: be right or wrong, the failure to listen to the 663 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 2: other side. You know what you're describing when the media 664 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 2: is coming it to you, it's sort of like, you know, 665 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 2: it's argument by epithet. You know you are you know, 666 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 2: if you're opposed to migration, you're a racist. No, you're 667 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,800 Speaker 2: not a racist. You don't think the country can handle 668 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,319 Speaker 2: ten million, you know, uncontrolled migration. You don't think the 669 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 2: cities can handle it. You don't think we have the 670 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 2: public resources for it. You look at what's happening in Europe. 671 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 2: You see just it's not a manageable situation. It's a 672 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 2: completely respectable position. If I if I'm you know, I'm 673 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 2: pro choice. But if you're pro life, I don't think 674 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 2: you're anti woman. I don't think you're trying to take 675 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:55,240 Speaker 2: over anti r I don't. 676 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: Think that's the thing. I'm like my per and I 677 00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,879 Speaker 1: can have person I've said before. You know, I could 678 00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:01,800 Speaker 1: be a Christian, and that doesn't mean I think everybody 679 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,800 Speaker 1: has to be a Christian. But I think you should 680 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 1: know how I am and what I believe, and you 681 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,919 Speaker 1: should have an idea of that. And that's the frustrating part. 682 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 1: And I've had the same experience you've had because I've 683 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 1: criticized people in my party because I think that we're 684 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 1: allowed to. I think when someone says something outlandish and 685 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: it's it's far to the right and it's something that 686 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: the country doesn't believe in, you're allowed to go, hey, hey, no, 687 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 1: I don't agree with this, but it's the same thing. 688 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: I got the call that was like, you won't be 689 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 1: invited to these things. You're not going to be you 690 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: got to stay in line. I'm like, guess what if 691 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 1: it takes me agreeing with this viewpoint, I don't care. 692 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 1: That's not who I am. And I'm not gonna tow 693 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 1: the party line if that's the party line, which it's not. 694 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: It's not. 695 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 2: It's a Soviet mentality. And ultimately we know what happens 696 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 2: to Soviet union. You implode because nobody's doing the thinking 697 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 2: but one person. If everyone thinks the same thing inside 698 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 2: the room, only one person is doing the thinking, and 699 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,320 Speaker 2: that's inevitably going to lead you to a much lower 700 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 2: intellectual level and a much lower level of understanding. And 701 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:12,720 Speaker 2: as I say, you know, you can be pro life 702 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,840 Speaker 2: and I can be pro choice, and I can still 703 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 2: say I think your pro life position is completely honorable, 704 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:23,919 Speaker 2: completely respectable. I understand the integrity of a position where 705 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 2: you are protecting the life of an unborn I may 706 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 2: have a different point of view, but I don't think 707 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 2: there's anything in that position that makes you a bad 708 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 2: person or means that you're trying to control anybody's body 709 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 2: or anybody's rights. I just think it's an area where 710 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,520 Speaker 2: people can have honest, you know. 711 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 1: Different conversation too, saying. 712 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 2: Without saying like you're a bad person, and I may 713 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 2: learn something, you know, I may learn something from that conversation. 714 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,840 Speaker 1: And just to talk, we don't talk anymore. Stay tuned 715 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 1: for more of my interview with Julian Epstein, But first 716 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,319 Speaker 1: I want to take a moment to tell you more 717 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 1: about my partners at IFCJ. Since the start of the 718 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,799 Speaker 1: Swords of Iron bore Israel on October seventh, we've seen 719 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,839 Speaker 1: death and destruction in the Holy Land. For more than 720 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: forty years. The International Fellowship of Christians and Jews has 721 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 1: been on the ground in Israel, and within hours of 722 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,320 Speaker 1: the war starting, and every day since, they've been feeding 723 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 1: the hungry and protecting the vulnerable. The attacks continue in 724 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 1: the north and south of Israel, but there are resilient 725 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: survivors who bravely share their stories. In a new series, 726 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:29,000 Speaker 1: The Fellowship calls Faces of Iron survivors like Shuki. On 727 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: October seventh, Shuki saved herself and eight others when Hamas invaded. 728 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 1: Shuki and eight others ran to a bomb shelter. All 729 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 1: that stood between life and death was the door of 730 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,080 Speaker 1: that bomb shelter. Shuki held that door closed for nearly 731 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 1: six hours, never letting go of the handles. Christians like 732 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: you support Israel through the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, 733 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 1: and it's this support that helps these survivors remain steadfast 734 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 1: and strong. To hear more stories like this one and 735 00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:01,840 Speaker 1: show your support for Israel. Visit support IFCJ again. That's 736 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,880 Speaker 1: support IFCJ dot org. Now stay tuned because I will 737 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:11,880 Speaker 1: have more with Julian Epstein after this. Before I let 738 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 1: you go. There's been all of these people who have 739 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 1: been jockeying for the presidential position. They think that if 740 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 1: Joe Biden gets off the ticket, it'll be a Gretchen 741 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,920 Speaker 1: with Maro Toubia, Gavin Newsom or Kamala Harris. You have 742 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,760 Speaker 1: come out and said you'd love to see a Josh Shapiro. 743 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,400 Speaker 1: Tell us really quickly, why well. 744 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,880 Speaker 2: Because all of those candidates that you mentioned other than 745 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,760 Speaker 2: Josh Shapiro will double down on the policies, the mostly 746 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,839 Speaker 2: progressive left policies in the last four years, which are unpopular. 747 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,839 Speaker 2: Josh Shapiro is a Mott, is a centrist, and as 748 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,760 Speaker 2: is Andy Basher. Josh Shapiro supports things like school choice. 749 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:51,040 Speaker 2: You see, you know, the recent data on math and 750 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,759 Speaker 2: English proficiency in high schools is atrocious. It's just it's 751 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,920 Speaker 2: mind boggling that this is not considered a national crisis. 752 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,479 Speaker 2: And to your point about the media, we're not covering 753 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 2: this every day. Okay, So Josh Shapiro supports things like 754 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,160 Speaker 2: school choice. He is very strong pro Israel, unambiguously the 755 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,360 Speaker 2: way you don't see with much of the moral confusion 756 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,760 Speaker 2: on the left on Israel, and he sort of similarly 757 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,760 Speaker 2: on down the line, argues for not just moderate points 758 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 2: of view, but also to our earlier point about listening 759 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 2: to the other side, you know, trying to find bipartisan consensus. 760 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:28,319 Speaker 2: Stop arguing if you disagree with somebody that you think 761 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 2: they're a terrible person, you think they're trying to kill democracy, 762 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 2: you think they're racist, you think they're this it's just 763 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,600 Speaker 2: argument by epithet. It's the most anti intellectual approach you 764 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 2: can take to anything. It's the amost You know, Plato 765 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 2: and Socrates would would would would just roll over in 766 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 2: their graves at the discourse that we have. You disagree 767 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:49,680 Speaker 2: with me and I have to call you a bad name. 768 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,240 Speaker 2: We have to stop that nonsense. We just have to say, Okay, 769 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 2: if you and I have a different point of view, Tutor, 770 00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 2: give me the data, give me the empirical data that 771 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,120 Speaker 2: backs it up. I'll give you I empirical data that 772 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 2: backs it up and let the best argument win without 773 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,839 Speaker 2: us calling names. And that's what we have to get 774 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 2: back to. But unfortunately, I think we're going to the 775 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:08,760 Speaker 2: opposite direction. 776 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,280 Speaker 1: I agree, but it's see. I'm hoping that this latest 777 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,520 Speaker 1: title wave will kind of start to push people, more 778 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 1: rational people toward discussion. And I think that discussion is 779 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,640 Speaker 1: the best way, and we have now the ability to 780 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 1: have discussions openly in ways we did it before. So 781 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,120 Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on today to have a discussion 782 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,080 Speaker 1: with me. Julian Epstein. I always enjoy the conversation. 783 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,279 Speaker 2: I do too, And as I said the other day, 784 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,440 Speaker 2: I always learned something every time we chat, so I 785 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,440 Speaker 2: really appreciate it to do and I'm well, thank you. 786 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,279 Speaker 2: I'm glad that we have this new friendship as well. 787 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,439 Speaker 1: Me too, Me too, and thank you, thank you so much, 788 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,360 Speaker 1: and thank you all for joining us on the Tutor 789 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 1: Dixon Podcast. Make sure you head over to the iHeartRadio app, 790 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,399 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts and join 791 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,240 Speaker 1: us next time on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Have a blessing,